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Century 21 small arms (part two)

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It may very well be that a soldier will soon be sent to war, among other things luggage, having a plastic bag in his hand weighing no more than five kilograms. There will be four rising plastic pipes, each of which will contain an 750-gram (the weight of the Russian offensive grenade 1914) a grenade with a charge of explosive CL-20, which is X times more powerful than TNT. That is, 20 grams of warhead in this grenade will be equal to two kilograms of this standard explosive for today. Housing made of plastic or paper derived from waste. The fragments are made of pressed wood or molded basalt - this is already done, moreover, even basalt fiber is made. So the level of environmental friendliness of such ammunition will be the highest! At the head there is a portable video camera, and behind the small jet engine and cruise control rudder, and the transmission of commands is carried out by wires of magnesium alloy wire and burned after use. The firing range is in the range from 100 to 50 meters, that is, it is a peculiar analog of the 1500-mm mortar of the last war, but incomparably more powerful.



Speaking of drones ... Here is one of these miniature drones. True, his blades are not sharp. But this is still ...

The “suitcase” itself is also a base plate, and potassium nitrate is pressed into the plastic from which it is made, so if it is set on fire with a special red button, it will burn all without a trace. Guidance is carried out from the control panel with a joystick and is controlled by the display screen. Additional communication with the drone is possible, so it will be very difficult to hide from such ammunition. It is possible to shoot them according to the principle - one grenade - one enemy and in this case neither the helmet nor the most modern bulletproof vest will save him with a direct hit. Or - one grenade - several opponents, since the radius of destruction by shrapnel - 25 meters allows for action on the areal target. That is, one fighter armed with one such “suitcase” will be able to guaranteedly destroy or incapacitate at least four enemy fighters! This is more than enough for a unit of 10 people! Moreover, transport drones can quickly replenish their ammunition.

And this is despite the fact that all the same drones will be able to provide fire support to their subunits, dropping cylindrical mines that are screwed into the ground and containing a television system or ... a missile system or self-exploding. Naturally, the query system "friend or foe". Breaking through the chain of such mines will be extremely difficult, since their part protruding above the surface of the earth can be well disguised. Each mine can again have its own operator or the simplest “brain” connected to motion sensors. Moreover, you can drop them in the deep rear of the enemy. For example, by the road. However, in Western Europe, lattice fences were installed along the roads, which would prevent a shot from the missile complex. However, the shelling of vehicles on the road in the rear of the automatic weapons the thing is very unpleasant, because even today one killed soldier is a serious loss.

Of course, all such and similar combat systems will require considerable expenses. However, it is on this path that the developed countries will be able to get real military advantages over the less developed ones in the fight against international terrorism and for the purity of the environment!

So, what other small arms do you need for a soldier who has such weapons in his hands? Only a pistol or a submachine gun in case of a completely unexpected attack. And what could it be? Well, let's say, a pistol or a submachine gun that shoots bullets in the shape of a ... ring! Imagine for a moment that we cut the usual bullet in half, turned the resulting part into a plane and bent this plane into a ring. Depending on how we bend it, we will have a ring with either a tapered outer surface or a smooth one. Well, if smooth outside, then the cone will be inside. In any case, the edge of such a ring on one side will be dull, but on the other - very sharp! And it will still be a bullet with all its properties.


Let's look at the picture with the 30-mm 10-charging pistol presented on it, which shoots just such bullets. Again, there are no moving parts in it, except for the “mobile phone” in the handle and the touch trigger. The magazine is also a barrel and chamber. Inside the trunk of the store there is a rifled guide on which bullet rings are put one after the other, with the powder charges and initiator chips located between them in the recesses in the bullets themselves. The outer shell of bullets is smooth, as well as the surface of the barrel-shop.

Since the distance from the muzzle of each bullet is different, all the warheads are also different, “numbered”, of different power, which ensures the stability of the ballistic characteristics. When fired, the microwave radiation of the control “cell phone” in the handle initiates the desired chip, and the latter ignites the propellant charge. The bullet slides through the cuts and, unwinding, flies out of the barrel. Due to its caliber and sharp edge such bullets can cause very serious damage. In addition, they will not give bounce, as in contact with the sloping surface of its edge, it will simply tighten and stand perpendicular to it. We must not forget about the purely psychological effects of weapons of this caliber: it will be enough to look at the hole in the barrel so that the arms go up by themselves! Moreover, it can be either a pistol or a submachine gun with an ammunition in 30 shots, designed exclusively for self-defense, as well as ... police and special forces, for example, bank guards.


Even more original is the fundamentally new ammunition for small arms, the bullet of which has the shape of a disk with a sharp cutting edge. It consists of a flat brass sleeve and a steel bullet in the form of a flat or rhomboid disk in cross section, through the middle of which passes a tompak gear gear jutting onto 2 mm on each side of the disk having a thickness of 5 mm. Thus, the total thickness of the "bullet-disk", that is, the "vertical caliber", will be 9-mm, as in modern pistols and submachine guns.

The barrel for this bullet has a corresponding cross-section of the bore, but its “highlight” is the arrangement of vertical grooves for the passage of gear gears. On the one hand, the groove has a serrated cut, on the other hand it is completely smooth. When fired, the gas pressure causes the bullet-disk to move forward and, on the one hand, scroll along the serrated groove and slide along the opposite smooth wall! Thus, the disk begins to rotate, like a regular round bullet, and becomes a flywheel-gyroscope. You can use and smooth protrusions without cutting, which will occur already during the movement of the bullet in the barrel. Experiments are needed here to find out what is best.


Here they are - "the most dangerous bullets in the world."

The peculiarity of the movement of such a "flywheel" is that with a sudden deceleration (the well-known effect of a child's top or whirligig!), It begins to move in a chaotic manner. That is, if it hits the object, it will “lead” such a bullet from the trajectory, and it will inflict an extremely heavy defeat on it. The sharp cutting edge contributes to the defeat of the protective equipment of Kevlar threads and also causes cutting damage to soft tissue. The diameter of the bullet can be 20-mm for a pistol, and for submachine guns 20, 30 and even 40-mm! The production of such bullets will not be difficult - it is stamping and knurling. And the number of parts - just 2, facilitates their assembly on the conveyor. The sleeve is a traditional brass flat without rim, which facilitates its extraction and filling of small arms stores with such ammunition. It is necessary to pay attention to the psychological moment. Such a weapon is unusual, naturally, that rumor and the media immediately spread the most incredible rumors about it, and it will be many years before it becomes familiar to everyone. Until then, people will be frightened of only a flat trunk with a cross-shaped hole that is aimed at them! The barrel itself can be made by stamping from the two halves openable for cleaning. That is, the design of the parts of such weapons is traditional.
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  1. Spook
    Spook 16 November 2017 16: 00 New
    +8
    "CL-20, which is 20 times more powerful than TNT." it is not possible, and the rest is very strange ....
    1. PAM
      PAM 16 November 2017 17: 28 New
      19
      how good it was when it was possible to minus.
      1. kalibr
        16 November 2017 17: 53 New
        +2
        And what would you achieve?
      2. Spook
        Spook 16 November 2017 21: 08 New
        +1
        I ask you to explain the reason sir dissatisfaction
        1. kalibr
          16 November 2017 21: 25 New
          +2
          I'm happy with everything. Everything written is fine with me. And that is not written either ...
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 02: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Spook
      "CL-20, which is 20 times more powerful than TNT." it's impossible,

      Well ... how to say .... Recently, there was infa that explosives are being created in Russia according to a special physical principle and they are much more powerful than TNT ... Maybe it will be called EKLMN-2020, but the author suggested his ... "commercial "marking. wink
      1. Grid
        Grid 19 November 2017 17: 34 New
        +1
        / Recently, there was infa that explosives are being created in Russia according to a special physical principle and it is much more powerful than TNT /
        This infe is already 73 years old. Explosives are called U235 and Pt249.
        Afftir full woodpecker.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 20 November 2017 03: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Grille
          Explosives are called U235 and Pt249.

          Well, yes .... it’s “difficult” to argue that this is “not the most powerful explosive” ..... But here already, “everything is captured”! But I want "fame and grandmothers" ... here scientists and "dig" ... "pure thermonuclear poison", hafnium ... or something simpler ... For example: The importance of polymer nitrogen
          In chemistry, polymer nitrogen is considered a kind of "Holy Grail", which many scientists seek to find. Potentially, this is an ideal explosive.
          An explosion of nitrogen compounds releases a lot of energy, and nitrogen atoms form a stable N2 molecule. The amount of explosion energy depends on the number of nitrogen atoms in the compound and the number of unusual bonds between them and other atoms.
          Previously, it was believed that in order to obtain polymer nitrogen, ultra-high pressure conditions must be provided. Theoretically, the polymer phase at the end of the 90's was predicted by the American Christian Mayo. In 2004, the Russian physicist Mikhail Eremets received polymer nitrogen at a pressure of over a million atmospheres.

          Theoretically predicted
          A new theory has shown that to obtain a substance, extreme conditions may not be required. In the presence of metal ions, nitrogen polymerizes at much lower pressures. Professor Artem Oganov said that HfN10 can be synthesized at a pressure five times lower than necessary for the synthesis of pure polymer nitrogen. In the case of chromium polynitride CrN4, the pressure is even lower.
          Chemists studied chromium-nitrogen and hafnium-nitrogen systems using advanced theoretical methods. As a result, chromium nitride CrN4, hafnium nitride HfN10, as well as its zirconium analog ZrN10, a number of other new hafnium nitrides, as well as chromium nitrides, carbides and borides, were discovered.
          The most important find is hafnium nitride HfN10
          The substance has an unusual structure - hafnium atoms are located between endless chains of nitrogen atoms. Hafnium nitride was obtained at a pressure of only 0,23 Mbar.


          Structural model of hafnium nitride HfN10.
          Substances contain high-energy groups of nitrogen atoms. You can get them at relatively low pressures, which means that production does not require huge investments. Also, the compounds are characterized by high hardness and decent electrical conductivity.
          Professor Oganov told Hi-Tech Mail.Ru about the development of:
          This is just the beginning at the moment. We found a way to reduce the pressure of polymerization of nitrogen, but so far the pressures are slightly higher than the maximum pressures for the industrial production of these substances. We still need to find those elements that will further lower the pressure. It is difficult to predict how long it will take. If successful, such materials can be used in all applications where compact energy storage is required.

          Artyom Oganov
          MIPT Professor
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 20 November 2017 03: 49 New
            +2
            PS And more .... The effectiveness of explosives can be measured not only by "explosiveness / brisance"! Here is an example:
            At the beginning of the 60 of the last century, the American company EXCOA presented a new explosive based on hydrazine, saying that it is 20 times more powerful than TNT. The Pentagon generals who arrived for testing were knocked down by the Eerie Smell of the Abandoned Public Toilet. However, they were ready to tolerate him. However, a series of tests with aerial bombs fueled by astrolite A 1-5 showed that the explosives were only twice as powerful as TNT.
            After Pentagon officials rejected the bomb, EXCOA engineers proposed a new version of this explosive already under the ASTRA-PAK brand, and for digging trenches using the directional explosion method. In a commercial, a soldier watered the earth with a thin stream, and then detonated the liquid from the shelter. And the trench in human growth - was ready. On its own initiative, EXCOA released 1000 kits of such explosives and sent them to the Vietnamese front.
            In reality, it ended sadly and anecdotally. The Trenches Received Exuded such a Disgusting Smell that American Soldiers strove to Leave Them At Any Cost, Despite Orders and Danger to Life. Those Who Remained Lost Consciousness. Unused kits, the troops sent at their own expense back to the EXCOA office.
  2. Curious
    Curious 16 November 2017 16: 22 New
    13
    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    An interesting satire of this kind turned out on all sorts of technical "kunshtyuki" that are born in the minds of unfortunate inventors.
    One tip for those who, after reading the article, will be going into battle with grenades equipped with CL-20. Remember to make a will in a proper manner and to warn others to stay away, since hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane (CL-20) is a very sensitive thing, like pentrite. Therefore, it is unlikely to get to the battlefield with such a grenade in a bag. But even if you get how to throw them with such sensitivity? A throw at the throw - and you are already in heaven. Near drones from a satchel fly. Despite the fact that it costs $ 1300 per kilogram, so the grenades will be expensive. You can, of course, add plasticizers and stabilizers, but then the brisance decreases, approaching the octogen, which is now widely used and costs $ 100 per kg.
    1. Curious
      Curious 16 November 2017 16: 55 New
      +4
      By the way, I forgot to ask if the adversary hides in the forest. how to attack it with drones. Without the Lumberjack can not do.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 16 November 2017 17: 17 New
        +8
        if the adversary is hiding in the forest ...... You cannot do without the Lumberjack.

        already submitted your words. The fight will go on the principle:
        "In the forest, an ax of the Lumberjack was heard;
        I drove a lumberjack with an ax homosexual ..., ugh, Adversary
        " angry fellow laughing
        1. Curious
          Curious 16 November 2017 17: 34 New
          +9
          These are also possible. When the battle is on, drones fly from all sides, disk and ring-shaped bullets buzz, and you sit on a self-igniting satchel filled with grenades, which are scary to breathe, it’s not until sorting into ... secs and not ... secs. All under the ax.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 16 November 2017 20: 27 New
            +3
            for ... sec and not ... sec. All under the ax.

            You would have to work as a deputy Milonov. laughing "All .... sec under the ax"! am
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 02: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Mikado
              "All .... secs under the ax"!

              And General Secov too? belay
          2. hohol95
            hohol95 17 November 2017 09: 00 New
            +2

            Something like this?
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 17 November 2017 09: 31 New
              +3
              yes, yes, only the wisest Viktor Nikolaevich with the joystick control did not enter the picture drinks
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 17 November 2017 14: 16 New
                +4

                Straw Armor Destroys Raven Drones good drinks
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 17 November 2017 14: 54 New
                  +3
                  Otpad! laughing good drinks I'm afraid to continue. wink
                  True, sometimes primitive robots with brute force are more effective! request drinks
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 17 November 2017 14: 59 New
                    +3

                    BUT everything will end HERE SO - Our Lumberjacks are the LOTEST Lumberjacks ...
                    And no ZUBRUBYAN DUBOLOMS can take us ...
      2. kalibr
        16 November 2017 17: 33 New
        +1
        So will you sit in the forest?
        1. Curious
          Curious 16 November 2017 17: 38 New
          +3
          Why should I get out of it? Russian forests account for 22 percent of the world's forests and 1/4 of the world's timber reserves. The total land area of ​​the forest fund of the Russian Federation is 11 723 thousand square kilometers, or about 70 percent of the country's territory.
          So you need to provide for something to fight in the forest.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 16 November 2017 17: 49 New
            +3
            Russian forests account for 22 percent of the world's forests and 1/4 of the world's timber reserves.

            approximately counting .. what Pareto law! belay
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 16 November 2017 22: 48 New
            +1
            There at the drones, the blades are sharpened. The most for the forest ....
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 16 November 2017 17: 48 New
          +3
          So will you sit in the forest?

          yes, the three of them will sit together in a hug in the forest: Adversary, Lumberjack and Curious Metallurgist drinks barbecue, barbecue, a bottle of moonshine ... Romance! drinks
          1. kalibr
            16 November 2017 18: 23 New
            +1
            And I shatter them from above with a bomb stuffed with liquid pork excrement! Remember, there was such an article, collected 82 thousand clicks. Let's blow up over the forest and let it drip on top! They themselves will leave the forest and surrender to my very first drone.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 16 November 2017 18: 39 New
              +3
              yes, I remember the article yes no, Adversary with the Lumberjack will surrender for sure instantly. fellow But Metallurg .. what this indiscreet entertainer only to be trained by the trained Indian monkeys from the forest! request laughing
              1. kalibr
                16 November 2017 19: 08 New
                +1
                No metallurgist can withstand the flows of this from above. But it will leak everywhere and will drip ... And the smell ... And it will definitely drip by the collar. And he will put his hand in, check what is there ... and fall into it ... and he will be twisted by an attack of vomiting when he looks at his hand. Then ... then it will be gone !!!
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 16 November 2017 20: 25 New
                  +3
                  No metallurgist can withstand the flows of this from above

                  Yes, how can I tell you .. wink the same weapon specifically for bearded barmaley, not tolerating pigs, was developed .... what Plus, the forest, so to speak, part of the impact will disappear, falling on the branches .. what Therefore, I will offer an alternative! A stream from a sexually mature and breeding cat! No one can stand it, I promise! good drinks
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 16 November 2017 20: 41 New
                    +4
                    I’ll tell you right away that to frighten a person who has passed SA and familiar with ZOMP with such things is the same as threatening a hedgehog with a bare ass. So think, otherwise you will lose the battle.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 16 November 2017 20: 44 New
                      +3
                      I just suggested ... from the point of view of engineering and invention .... repeat So you ... will you fight with a dagger? belay oh, good man! good it will be a thing! fellow oh yes, I misunderstood ... recourse but still a thing! drinks
                      1. Sergey84
                        Sergey84 16 November 2017 22: 30 New
                        +2
                        Why is this verbal diarrhea fool
                2. Grid
                  Grid 19 November 2017 17: 39 New
                  0
                  Well, what a domestic metallurgist can endure you don’t understand, but when he is offended and goes to the otter to do it, you’ll obviously get bad ...
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      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 02: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Curious
        if the adversary hides in the forest. how to attack it with drones.

        Yes, very simple .... like two fingers on the asphalt! You buchutki bullet disks bachi? Tadyat take saw-shells (circular) and fuck through the forest from discomfort tools! fellow (or ... "pilots"? what )
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 17 November 2017 11: 07 New
          +1
          and fuck through the woods from discomfort guns

          well, let’s say, if we take science fiction and computer games, then diskettes are in full swing there. Who knows what it will be ... request
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 13: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Mikado
            well, let’s say, if we take science fiction and computer games, then diskettes are in full swing there.

            So, discos in Europe, Russia ... really met ... laughing
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 17 November 2017 19: 44 New
              +3
              in the case of hand-to-hand fighting - "Nizhnevartovsk chainsaw massacre" laughing drinks
  3. Operator
    Operator 16 November 2017 16: 37 New
    11
    Vyacheslav, do not talk about technology.
    1. kalibr
      16 November 2017 17: 29 New
      +6
      Don't you like the rifle series? I don’t know if you remember, but about two years ago, I gave an article about the “fantasy flights” of weapon designers, which were embodied in the covers of the magazines Popular Mechanics and Popular Science. There was, for example, a submarine the size of a cruiser that crawled ashore on tracks, a one-wheeled armored motorcycle - a lot of things. And there I wrote that here it is - technical nonsense in front of us. And what did they write to me in response? You can find this article and see the comments. That I am completely devoid of imagination, that I need to develop my imagination, that such works stimulate creativity, and in general I am bored with life. And now, when I stimulate creativity in the most obvious way, excite my imagination and develop my imagination, again it’s not good. Something I don’t understand - but what is needed? To attach caterpillars to this gun and to increase at times? Then it’s like the cover of Popular Mechanics. Or are there any technical errors?
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 16 November 2017 17: 46 New
        +3
        To attach caterpillars to this gun and to increase at times? Then it’s like from the cover of Popular Mechanics

        just here I was browsing the forum of olden time about "Mistral", as our public regretted that there were no anti-ship missiles, torpedoes, a main caliber, etc. It’s as if if you “push in non-pushable”, you get an obscure hybrid, bad in everything. And as for creativity, I will say this: at first all new inventions were considered either unnecessary, or expensive, or "from Satan" personally. Even the genius of upbringing Dragomirov (quite beloved by another genius - Marshal Vasilevsky) resisted the store rifle!
        Dreamers move the world! Wait and see. hi
        Your article about office wars really bribed me at the time - this is where the flight of fancy! good https://topwar.ru/93126-ofisnye-voyny.html
        1. kalibr
          16 November 2017 18: 20 New
          +3
          The samples of "weapons" described in it, by the way, can be produced and sold to children. Cheap. Let them play!
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 16 November 2017 20: 15 New
            +2
            well, by the way, such products increase fine motor skills, imagination and intelligence in general hi and the biplane from the article - it’s so easy to put on the stream. good fellow Now there are not so many normal toys. stop And then he did it himself, and he got an idea of ​​the history of aviation. what no, I say, the article was very bribing!
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 16 November 2017 22: 27 New
              +1
              Ofiget you are specialists in child and adolescent psychology! Have you been in contact with children, adolescents, and boys for a long time?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 16 November 2017 22: 31 New
                +1
                Have you been in contact with children, adolescents, and boys for a long time?

                not specialists (I, at least). But .. it's something better than an iPhone and a prefix. what
              2. kalibr
                17 November 2017 08: 02 New
                +1
                I communicate constantly ...
                1. Grid
                  Grid 19 November 2017 17: 42 New
                  0
                  It can be seen. The level is about the same ...
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 November 2017 18: 01 New
        +9
        Quote: kalibr
        And now, when I stimulate creativity in the most obvious way, excite imagination and develop imagination

        There must be some scope.
        Pressed wood fragments, for example, are unconventional. Wood must be pressed with a powder of some inert, non-harmful metal. For example, gold
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 16 November 2017 22: 29 New
          +1
          Appreciated! Five points!
        2. brn521
          brn521 17 November 2017 18: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          For example, gold

          Gold is toxic if it enters the body.
          1. dokusib
            dokusib 19 November 2017 10: 54 New
            +1
            Only if in the form of an ingot from 500 grams or more.
          2. Grid
            Grid 19 November 2017 17: 42 New
            0
            Then silver.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 November 2017 18: 04 New
        +4
        In general, laughter with laughter, but this is a scalable hand grenade:
      4. Operator
        Operator 16 November 2017 18: 24 New
        +4
        TNT is now a de facto unit of measurement, and not a “standard explosive” (such as RDX and HMX at the moment).

        With CL-20, a complete breakdown occurred - the price is sky-high (not proportional to efficiency), explosion resistance with a lumbago below the plinth, plus the general line for the development of ammunition is the transition to finished slaughter elements, the striking ability of which depends on the engineering, and not on the chemical solution.

        A bullet after departure from the barrel moves in the air, therefore it has an aerodynamic elongated shape, and not a swollen radius.

        Etc. etc.

        In other words - IN is not Popmeh.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 November 2017 18: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: Operator
          TNT is now a de facto unit of measurement, and not a “standard explosive” (such as RDX and HMX at the moment).

          Is not a fact. RDX is pre-utilized, therefore, TNT is still actively used today.
          Quote: Operator
          plus the general line for the development of ammunition is the transition to ready-made slaughter elements, the striking ability of which depends on the engineering, rather than the chemical solution.

          Thermobaric fragmentation warheads with semi-finished striking elements. Here is the future for them, so chemistry is forever.
          1. prodi
            prodi 16 November 2017 21: 11 New
            +1
            type, get splinters outside the zone of continuous destruction?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 16 November 2017 21: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: prodi
              type, get splinters outside the zone of continuous destruction?

              In what sense?
              Just one more damaging factor is added. A thermobar is almost like a land mine, it’s just that the front of the shock wave has a higher temperature and conserves energy longer. Previously, there were problems when trying to use the brisance of TB charges. The thick body slightly reduced efficiency. Therefore, the "alloyers" came up with a scheme according to which fragmentation into fragments occurs in the first stage of the explosion, even before the destruction of a rather thin outer shell.
              1. prodi
                prodi 16 November 2017 21: 54 New
                +2
                a thermobar does not pull on a landmine, unless it is inside the target. Balls fly farther than shards
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 16 November 2017 22: 17 New
                  +2
                  Why not pull? It just fills the gap between high-explosive and volume-detonating.
                  And although it also relates to ammunition of a volume explosion, it is closer in its effect on the target to a high explosive. Because it, unlike two-stroke volume-detonating ones (two cycles, atomization of the FA cloud and its detonation), is single-cycle, that is, immediately detonation.
                  TB charge, by the way, is able to successfully break through the armor of light armored vehicles with a direct hit, that is, it has brilliance. Before creating a fragmentation field, one step.
                  But with balls, everything is more complicated. They just do not pour between the walls. There is a special binder. Which will also interfere with the TB charge to work correctly.
                  1. prodi
                    prodi 16 November 2017 22: 37 New
                    +1
                    I, as it were, compare thermobaric with splinters and high explosive with balls and I do not find the decisive superiority of one over the other
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 17 November 2017 08: 52 New
                      +2
                      Quote: prodi
                      I, as it were, compare thermobaric with splinters and high explosive with balls

                      Thermobar is better. For with equal weight it has a greater power of action at the target.
                      1. Grid
                        Grid 25 November 2017 10: 40 New
                        0
                        Yeah. Especially high-explosive and brisant.
                        Thermobaric ammunition is a rather specific thing. In no way replacing conventional explosives.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 16 November 2017 22: 33 New
            +1
            Yes, somehow in this paradigm.
      5. Grid
        Grid 25 November 2017 10: 49 New
        0
        Don't you like the rifle series?

        To me? I didn’t like it at all. For this is a mixture of plagiarism, though somewhat rewritten in their own words, and outright nonsense.
  4. Uryukc
    Uryukc 16 November 2017 17: 43 New
    +3
    Until then, people will be scared of just a flat barrel pointing at them with a cross-shaped hole!

    Oh, these people are not at all afraid of round-bore trunks ..
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 16 November 2017 17: 56 New
      +2
      Oh, these people are not at all afraid of round-bore trunks.

      in the 18th century, a certain James Pakl proposed his prototype of a machine gun. They wrote about it a hundred times already, but, I repeat, he suggested that non-Christians shoot not round, but cubic bullets. Say, cause greater suffering .. request The "cubic" store is on the lower right.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 16 November 2017 22: 53 New
      +1
      Yes, when I found out that “Tulip” is a mortar, life somehow became easier!
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 16 November 2017 23: 15 New
        +1
        and when they found out that the Pinocchio is a multi-barrel reactive flamethrower, did life become even easier? wink laughing
  5. kalibr
    16 November 2017 18: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    There must be some scope.

    But in the "Popular Mechanics" with a submarine on the tracks were frames?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 November 2017 18: 37 New
      +2
      A tracked submarine does not contradict any conventions.
      1. Grid
        Grid 19 November 2017 17: 49 New
        +1
        A very real unit:
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 November 2017 18: 46 New
      +2
      In general, go to the patent site, and see those that belong to one person, not organizations. Sometimes you can stumble upon such pearls ... No caterpillar submarines can compare with this.

      http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2368854
      ==============
      For example, someone also found "a tank projectile for the disposal of waste"
      1. kalibr
        16 November 2017 19: 05 New
        +3
        I worked in the archive of failed inventions in Samara. There of this good since 1927 ...
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 16 November 2017 21: 03 New
          +2
          then .. there Klondike, it seems .. what Your topic, Vyacheslav Olegovich! hi
          1. kalibr
            16 November 2017 21: 21 New
            +1
            My article was about this - Secrets of the abandoned archive. There are a lot of things ...
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 02: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              Secrets of the failed archive. There are a lot of things

              So immediately, and secrets! On the Internet you can find a "bunch" of sites like "FreePatent" ... there, for those who are not too lazy, they can post their ingenious inventions, projects ... I used to think that there weren’t enough violent ones; but on these sites I was convinced that not this way.
              1. kalibr
                17 November 2017 07: 51 New
                +2
                The name of the material should lure ...
  6. MOLODCHIK
    MOLODCHIK 16 November 2017 20: 06 New
    +4
    TNT - 1.0
    Tritonal - 1.53
    RDX - up to 1.3-1.6
    TEN - 1.39
    Ammonal - 0.99
    Gunpowder - 0.55-0.66
    TNRS - 0.39
    Tetril - 1.15-1.25
    EGDN - 1.6
    Octogen - 1.7
    cl-20 is 40% stronger than HMX, so this thing is twice as strong as TNT and not twenty.
    1. Spook
      Spook 16 November 2017 21: 03 New
      0
      I already wrote it at the top, so they wanted to minus me for something, if only they would say why. There is practically no explosive with a capacity of more than 3 times TNT.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 November 2017 21: 27 New
        0
        They didn’t want to minus you 8))))))

        Quote: Spook
        there is no explosive with a capacity of more than 3 times TNT.

        And here it is necessary to understand the terminology. What is “power” and how is it consistent with the given TNT equivalent, which reflects only the specific energy of the explosion.
        But here something else is very important, temperature, speed and pressure in the front of the shock wave. And also the energy of the fragments that the explosion "threw"
        1. Spook
          Spook 17 November 2017 08: 48 New
          +5
          And I just think tightly, I did not understand right away. And as for the terminology, I’ll say as a very former graduate of the Department of Ammunition Equipment, how not to bite yourself you will not reach TNT with nitro compounds more than 3 times, most likely not more than 2,1 - this was nowadays you see there is 2,4 . and which parameter they don’t take, they are almost linear for the HVE depend on the detonation speed, and as I understand it, it’s 9 versus 7 if the memory doesn’t change me anymore but not by the same factor 20)))

          In general, it seems to me such values ​​if it can dig deeper (which is incredibly lazy), at first glance it would not be possible to achieve without nuclear transformations.

          but from exceeding the equivalent of TNT in 20 times follow the eye
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 November 2017 09: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: Spook
            And as for the terminology, I’ll say as a very former graduate of the department of ammunition equipment, don’t bother, you will not reach TNT with nitro compounds more than 3 times, most likely not more than 2,1

            You do not accelerate 8)))
            Actually, what I want to convey the thought. The vast majority of journalists are illiterate. Including in "PopMeh", on the basis of which he author, in fact, wrote an article.
            And in triumphant reports on the synthesis of CL-20, both "power is 20 times greater" and "one kilogram of CL-20 causes destruction, which requires 20 kg of TNT". And you will agree, these are two different things.
            1. Spook
              Spook 17 November 2017 09: 30 New
              +2
              something I don’t know about explosives)))), in my understanding, destruction is the equivalent of pressure in a shock wave at a certain distance, this is directly proportional to the TNT equivalent. the difference from the TNT equivalent is manifested only with a significant change in the detonation wave front, as in ammunition of a volume explosion, for them the damage is already poorly described by Sadovsky's formulas, plus or minus.

              To admit, even a thought flashed through me that this mysterious parameter that evaluates destruction may not be explosive at all, otherwise I might have figured it out.
              For example, an area filled with people - let’s say they threw a kilogram of TNT into the center - the result is, let 10 be dead 100 wounded.
              But they threw in the center 1 kg of guana, all in loose, thousands of trampled and depressed))))
              Maybe this parameter is of the same nature))))
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 17 November 2017 10: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: Spook
                in my understanding, destruction is the equivalent of pressure in a shock wave at a certain distance, this is directly proportional to the TNT equivalent.

                And in my understanding, this is the power of action at the goal. And it depends not only on the characteristics of the charge, but also on the characteristics of the targets.

                In what understanding they calculated these 20 kg is unknown. Maybe the concrete blocks were broken, calculating the diameter of the funnel in concrete. Or maybe they put accelerometers at different distances from the target and calculated the "slaughter" for a person. Or maybe they did everything that was possible, and took the largest value. Advertising is the engine of trade, especially when you need to boil "BB for the super-rich"

                So it’s easier to relate to this 8)))
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 11: 22 New
                +2
                Quote: Spook
                For example, an area filled with people - let’s say they threw a kilogram of TNT into the center - the result is, let 10 be dead 100 wounded.

                A kilogram of TNT and ... 10 (!) Of the dead ??? Joke about the monkey that the Russian spoke, remember? "Value" is represented by words spoken by a monkey ......
                1. Spook
                  Spook 17 November 2017 13: 02 New
                  +2
                  M'ssier loves accuracy, well, maybe I screwed up, let's estimate:

                  1. The parameters of the air shock wave were evaluated in accordance with the provisions of [Explosion Physics. Ed. L.P. Orlenko. - Ed. 3rd, revised. - In 2 vols. - M.: FIZMATLIT, 2002 - 832 s;] on the theory of similarity, M. A. Sadovsky.

                  2. We select a fatal pressure for humans - 100 kPa [Order of Rostekhnadzor No. 144 dated 11.04.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX Safety Guide “Methodological basis for conducting hazard analysis and risk assessment of accidents at hazardous production facilities”].

                  According to calculations [1], 100 kPa is reached at 2,8 m. The lesion area is a circle with an area of ​​24 m².
                  The area of ​​a person in summer clothes is 0,1 m² [Order of the Ministry of Emergencies of the Russian Federation of 30.06.2009 N 382]. If they stand very tight, we take 0,3 m².
                  Correspondingly, 80 people fall into the zone of fatal damage, 40 of them are killed, 40 are wounded, because the criterion for defeat is usually chosen with a function of 0,5.

                  Total was mistaken 4 times.

                  But with an increase in the accuracy of my statement, for example, 40 dead and 400 wounded, the essence of my comment does not change. because everyone understands that panic will do more harm than the explosion itself.
                  The conclusion is you are a troll and a bad person.
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 14: 07 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Spook
                    The conclusion is you are a troll and a bad person.

                    Yo mine! What have I done wrong to you? cryingSo many letters ... and a brief conclusion! recourse I may love the accuracy, but more empirically! If kg of TNT appears to be “in the crowd”, then the mathematical “aggregate” will break off here and this cannot be corrected by orders of Rostekhnadzor negative In real life, the situation is characterized by the words: to whom .... the devil will send, who was born in the “shirt”, whom God has kissed, how many “unlucky-unlucky” you weren’t standing here, “I’m not so much for you collected time ... "," and I overslept, "" and I stood behind the column "... Case-sss! And he is akin to "shell and funnels."
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  8. ork777
    ork777 16 November 2017 22: 00 New
    +1
    Disk bullets are cool, but what will be the weight of an equipped magazine?
    1. kalibr
      17 November 2017 07: 49 New
      +1
      And they weigh as much as ordinary ones. A little heavier liner. But this is not critical.
    2. the47th
      the47th 17 November 2017 09: 54 New
      +1
      It’s more interesting for me: how to clean the barrel, and how many shots can the serrated notch on it withstand? And another question: how to cut such trunks on an industrial scale?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 11: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: the47th
        How to cut such trunks on an industrial scale?

        Why cut it? We recall better the "invention", bullet "screws"!
      2. kalibr
        17 November 2017 15: 53 New
        0
        This is all very simple.
        1. Grid
          Grid 19 November 2017 17: 55 New
          0
          Said the amateur ...
  9. Mikado
    Mikado 16 November 2017 22: 33 New
    +2
    Sergey84,
    better snobbery with a smart look? wink
  10. Curious
    Curious 16 November 2017 23: 18 New
    +1
    Sergey84,
    But for some reason, you decided to participate in it? So caught the point.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 16 November 2017 23: 42 New
      +1
      meaning in communication. After all, the forum was created for this. And half of the people communicate for a long time, and value each other. hi
  11. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 02: 29 New
    +3
    "Oh, these storytellers!" fellow ...... And I already saw these pictures somewhere ........ what
    1. kalibr
      17 November 2017 07: 59 New
      +2
      Thank God! At least one remembered. The fact is that Lassuel’s communication theory clearly says that there is a lot of “noisiness” in information channels. The practical way out is this: after 90 days (+1) 90% of people who come across information (not professionals!) Remember only 10% of what they came across . There is nothing degrading their dignity or intellect. This is normal. And if you give in 180 days? In a year? So this material is another test of this theory in practice, to have two date points and this is your comment. This will go to the textbook "Public Opinion Management Technologies" as an example. It is clear that this material is not tracing the previous. It is written with a novelty level of 92%. But the pictures, yes, have already been given ...
  12. Skunk69
    Skunk69 17 November 2017 05: 30 New
    +1
    It seems that this Shpakovsky is fantasizing in a mental hospital ... :)
  13. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 17 November 2017 08: 58 New
    +3
    Nda Shpakovsky he is so Shpakovsky! And here is the sect of his fans pulled themselves up!
  14. hohol95
    hohol95 17 November 2017 09: 08 New
    +3
    It's all old ... Young Technician for 1991 -

    1. Mikado
      Mikado 17 November 2017 11: 11 New
      +1
      Yes, the idea goes back to the 80s. Americans, it seems, are experimenting with Land Warrior (or whatever they call it there now), indulging in an exoskeleton, ours - with the "Warrior", in general, soon everything will be so what
  15. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 17 November 2017 11: 09 New
    +2
    Thus, the disk begins to rotate, like a regular round bullet and becomes a flywheel-gyroscope. It is possible to use smooth protrusions without cutting, which will occur already during the movement of the bullet in the barrel. Experiments are needed here to find out which is better.


    He laughed at such a miracle weapon - the authors apparently did not study physics very well - did not take into account that during rotation of the bullet disk, not only Coriolis forces will arise, but also the precession of the rotation axis, nutation of the axis - that is, accuracy beyond 100 m is very much big question.
  16. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 17 November 2017 12: 19 New
    +6
    The production of such bullets will not meet difficulties - this is stamping and knurling
    .

    Here you don’t even have to be an engineer to understand the stupidity of this “invention”.

    Even a simple alignment of forces, more or less familiar with the basics of theoretical mechanics, shows that the movement of such a bullet in the barrel will meet twice the resistance to rotation (doubled to a conventional pool).

    The second drawback is the lack of obturation, that is, the weapon will spit on the discs, due to the breakthrough of gases between the barrel and the disc - the range and accuracy will be worse than the musket of the 17th century.

    The third - the wear of the rack and barrel - will be monstrous since the rotation of the disk perpendicular to the trajectory of movement leads to increased wear.

    Fourth - when flying out of the barrel, an ordinary bullet has equal loads, the disk one has multidirectional ones - since the rotation is perpendicular to the movement - that is, the drive will be pulled away when leaving the barrel in the direction of rotation. In a conventional pool, rotation occurs relative to the direction of movement, which leads to compensation of forces and stabilization of the trajectory.

    That is, the absurdity of the project is visible offhand, from the complete ignorance of the author, the foundations of physics and theoretical mechanics.
    1. kalibr
      17 November 2017 15: 50 New
      +1
      Finally, at least someone did not just say, but substantiate, and even gave the scheme, wonderful. However, for a machine gun pistol (talking about him), a large range is not needed.
    2. brn521
      brn521 17 November 2017 18: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      absurdity of the project - visible offhand

      The proposed design is suitable only for pneumatics, there the loads will be acceptable, and the cutting ability of the disc will really make sense.
      But there is another reason to raise the RI archives, where ellipsoid shells were successfully tested for smooth-bore artillery. The ellipse is vertical. Friction promotion due to barrel configuration. As a result, with the same technology, a five-fold range. So in hand weapons it should work, albeit worse. You get a smoothbore that shoots farther and farther. Just for collectors. It really turns out like in the story it turned out. A rifled barrel is cheaper and more reliable. But such weapons are not valued for this.
      1. kalibr
        17 November 2017 21: 30 New
        +3
        You are absolutely right and very soon they will be raised and - as a reaction to this material - there will be other material on the same topic! Thank you for giving me such an opportunity - thank you!
  17. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 17 November 2017 17: 33 New
    +1
    You get better about castles and knights ..
    1. kalibr
      17 November 2017 21: 28 New
      +2
      I do not argue. But this is not entirely about weapons ...
  18. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 17 November 2017 21: 42 New
    17
    And there are still such soldiers (old construction battalion) to whom they are afraid to give weapons laughing
    Appreciate the present
    Look to the future
    Interestingly good
  19. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 20 November 2017 10: 21 New
    +1
    What was shown here is the whole past! Look to the future!
  20. hezbola
    hezbola 22 November 2017 22: 34 New
    +1
    the author of the article apparently completely forgot about our anti-shatter suit for the warrior