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New division of the world: Russia is becoming the “weak link”

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Donald Trump's visit to China gave the first results. On the very first day, contracts worth more than $ 250 billion were signed. The agreements were concluded by major American corporations: Boeing, General Electric, Qualcomm and others. In addition, agreements can be reached on the creation of a large joint fund “One Belt - One Way”. Xi Jinping, in turn, said that US-China relations are reaching a completely different level.


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  1. Hoc vince
    Hoc vince 9 November 2017 18: 02 New
    11
    Friendship in politics - no, each for himself ...
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 9 November 2017 18: 11 New
      +2
      There are "interests" .. Unfortunately, the presidents are leaving, coming .. It’s hard to talk about long-term prospects ..
    2. Vanych
      Vanych 10 November 2017 14: 20 New
      +2
      where money begins, friendship ends there
    3. ronin
      ronin 10 November 2017 20: 22 New
      +4
      Have you read what all these agreements are about? The contract with Kvalk is not legally binding. LNG purchase agreement - the decision on purchased volumes will be decided in the 4th quarter of 2019 at a competitive price. 43 billion will be invested in Alaska, and 18 have already invested in Sobbet ... PR is good, but the exhaust is ....
      1. PPK
        PPK 11 November 2017 12: 34 New
        +2
        $ 250 billion. This is more than Russia's annual budget, by the way.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 13 November 2017 19: 30 New
          +4
          Russia is 10 times smaller (in terms of GDP) than China or the United States, therefore we are at our level and proportionately hold on. and HANDED THE POSITIONS OF THE USSR.
          ZATO BY YACHTS WE ARE BEFORE THE PLANET OF ALL
      2. Feldscher
        Feldscher 12 November 2017 09: 20 New
        +1
        It is strange that the only reasonable comment is without attention hi
    4. SERGUS
      SERGUS 11 November 2017 15: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Hoc vince
      every man for himself..

      If everyone is self-explanatory, why does all of Europe run after the USA like a little dog?
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 14 November 2017 08: 53 New
        +1
        Because it’s profitable
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 15 November 2017 09: 48 New
          0
          Quote: NordOst16
          Because it’s profitable

          What and where is the benefit? What the United States says do not buy gas from Russia, take ours in cylinders?
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 15 November 2017 11: 33 New
            0
            Technology and trade, admission to domestic markets (and the US domestic market is huge)
            1. SERGUS
              SERGUS 16 November 2017 13: 18 New
              0
              Quote: NordOst16
              Technology and trade, admission to domestic markets (and the US domestic market is huge)

              That the United States is the only market that Europe already licks it, the Chinese market is also huge and at the same time it does not impose migrants on them and Volkswagen does not like the anti-diesel march. Technology, it is doubtful, in Europe they are no worse than that for sure.
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 16 November 2017 13: 38 New
                0
                Well, Europe has repeatedly stated to China that it is blocking European companies from entering the Chinese market. And not everything can and has the right to produce.
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 16 November 2017 14: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  Well, Europe has repeatedly stated to China that it is blocking European companies from entering the Chinese market.

                  It seems to me that the matter is different, now there are no politicians in Europe at the Charles De Gaulle level, they are all like plankton now, passively following the USA, and the USA has its own national interests (and only its own!), So I think this passivity will leave Europe sometime sideways ... Although it can be said, it’s already coming out a little now - for example, migrants.
  2. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 9 November 2017 18: 08 New
    +2
    The United States still threw a life-saving rope to China. China is based on a continuous increase in production, there are crazy interest rates on profit, or whatever it's called. A stop in development and China will collapse I don’t know how. Quarter trillics should be enough for a while.
    1. TiRex
      TiRex 14 November 2017 00: 38 New
      0
      This is China threw a rope to the United States, China will buy from the United States at 250bn, correct the trade balance
  3. dog breeder
    dog breeder 9 November 2017 18: 20 New
    +5
    Trusting the Chinese is the last thing. But Trump is doing what he promised, and most likely his bowl on the scales is heavier than ours.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 00: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: dog breeder
      But Trump does what he promised

      what what what do you know of any other trump other than shown to us on tv ??? wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      1. dog breeder
        dog breeder 11 November 2017 11: 37 New
        15
        In vain you painted a bunch of rye here. So according to the quote you took from my comment, I will continue. Trump promised the Americans to return the country to first place in the ranking of leading countries. Which he does. Or, in your opinion, 250 lard greenbacks do not deserve attention? It’s even annoying when people like you are talking nonsense about the fact that if you take some US territory separately, it will not be able to exist. But Russia is self-sufficient, and it can! Wake up! No one, even in their dreams, is going to block something as part of or separately from the United States. But they are trying to. Yes, Russia will survive, not the first time! But hatchery never led to anything good. And, as a rule, it led to unjustified losses, and they lost the most expensive, which is very difficult to make up for. I have the honor!
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 16: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: dog breeder
          In vain you painted a bunch of rye here. So according to the quote you took from my comment, I will continue. Trump promised the Americans to return the country to first place in the ranking of leading countries. Which he does. Or, in your opinion, 250 lard greenbacks do not deserve attention? It’s even annoying when people like you are talking nonsense about the fact that if you take some US territory separately, it will not be able to exist. But Russia is self-sufficient, and it can! Wake up! No one, even in their dreams, is going to block something as part of or separately from the United States. But they are trying to. Yes, Russia will survive, not the first time! But hatchery never led to anything good. And, as a rule, it led to unjustified losses, and they lost the most expensive, which is very difficult to make up for. I have the honor!

          I don’t know where the trump brought your country there and who took it where !!! also with 250 imaginary green lards ... the fact is that the Americans got a mess that America creates around the world, as a result of which the Americans chose the trump, because he promised to establish relations with Russia and stop a lot of war crimes, which America commits !!!! Now you can tell how Trump fulfilled these promises !!! wink yes tongue laughing laughing laughing
          1. dog breeder
            dog breeder 11 November 2017 18: 36 New
            +4
            Well, we have President V.V. Putin This is the first. Second, I wonder at the "imaginary" of two hundred and fifty billion dollars. This is the amount of transactions between the United States and China that Trump concluded with the Chinese during his trip to the countries of the Far East. And I believe in this promise of Trump, that's why I wrote that the American bowl on the scales is heavier than ours. I think you will find in the public domain the sum of transactions in Russia and the USA for 2017. But I’m not so naive as to believe that he will establish relations with Russia, or stop conflicts around the world, the whole potential of the USA, starting from the first half of the twentieth century, rests on this.
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 18: 54 New
              +2
              about this
              Quote: dog breeder
              Second, I wonder at the "imaginary" of two hundred and fifty billion dollars. This is the amount of transactions between the United States and China that Trump concluded with the Chinese during his trip to the countries of the Far East. And I believe in this promise of Trump, that's why I wrote that the American bowl on the scales is heavier than ours.

              there you are
              Goodbye Russian Gas: Why American Triumph in China Blown Off So Fast
              https://ria.ru/analytics/20171110/1508553680.html
              about
              Quote: dog breeder
              But I’m not so naive as to believe that he will establish relations with Russia, or stop conflicts around the world, the whole potential of the USA, starting from the first half of the twentieth century, rests on this.

              Most Americans do not care about the degree of your naivety, but that the trump is not able to fulfill his promises !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing while in your own words in this comment, you refute the previous words that the tram keeps its promises !! wassat wassat lol lol lol
  4. VadimSt
    VadimSt 9 November 2017 18: 24 New
    +5
    Each of the parties, something “sucked in” the other, - on paper, peace and friendship ...
    1. DPN
      DPN 10 November 2017 14: 41 New
      +3
      + for the coat of arms, we hope that China will not do much harm to Russia.
  5. gorgo
    gorgo 9 November 2017 18: 30 New
    +7
    Yes, China, I never considered an independent player. The usual assembly shop for Western corporations. Only oooooochen big. And all these "Chinese greatness" is a pure circus for the audience.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 10 November 2017 11: 13 New
      +7
      That's it, that "shop". Only the economy is now deciding everything. Therefore, we are on the sidelines, and for a long time the couple haven’t gone any further. And I doubt that we will continue to drive normally. The 1,5% GDP growth plan for the coming years is complete, subject to rising oil prices. Although we take more abroad.
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 10 November 2017 13: 08 New
        +5
        Steal my lords! Olympics, the eastern spaceport, and the bridge! Here are three examples. With a bridge laughing first 50 milards and then 250 recourse
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 11 November 2017 12: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Kent0001
        Therefore, we are on the sidelines, and for a long time the couple haven’t gone any further. And I doubt that we will continue to drive normally. 1,5% GDP growth plan for the coming years

        GDP growth of 1,5 percent, while growth is measured in dollars, which loses an average of 2% of purchasing power per year, suggests that there is no real growth.
        1. ihappy
          ihappy 12 November 2017 01: 57 New
          0
          Did you just compare 1.5% of GDP and 2% of dollar loss? )))
          Yes, you Mlyn genius))
    2. Sergey53
      Sergey53 10 November 2017 15: 38 New
      +6
      China has a goal of creating its own state. All that we see at the moment are momentary paths that help to go to their main goal. And they do it successfully. They skillfully play on the problems of other countries, their desires, opportunities. They do not shy away from left to right like some. Etc.
      1. Suhow
        Suhow 11 November 2017 01: 29 New
        0
        Not special, but in my opinion China is not a country that plays with one goal ...
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 11 November 2017 12: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Suhow
          Not special, but in my opinion China is not a country that plays with one goal ...

          - ???
    3. Romey
      Romey 11 November 2017 13: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: gorgo
      Yes, China, I never considered an independent player. The usual assembly shop for Western corporations. Only oooooochen big. And all these "Chinese greatness" is a pure circus for the audience.

      If China is a pure circus, then I don’t even know how to characterize the economy and politics of the Russian Federation. That's where all the circuses circus.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 11 November 2017 19: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: romey
        I don’t even know how to characterize the economy and politics of the Russian Federation.

        Circus ... sell aluminum, for dollars, the cheapest in the world - solid electricity. Government-subsidized Business product. Or we launch investments in the country, for example: automatic, robotic lines for casting engine crankcases. At the same time, 30% of the cost of this engine is again electricity subsidized. We exempt them from taxes, because the degree of localization is -30%, as a result, we have a "cheap" foreign car "assembled" in Russia from a body, engine and 2 bumpers. ...... not a circus but a theater of the absurd!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 November 2017 19: 52 New
          +7
          Quote: aybolyt678
          ... electricity. Government subsidized product ...

          Quote: aybolyt678
          30% of the cost of this engine is again electricity subsidized

          But is it possible in more detail with numbers - about "state-subsidized" electricity for enterprises?
          Over the past couple of weeks, three times already I hear this mantra from you ... I really want confirmation (I’ve already searched for it, haven’t found it. Although I can search).
          And yes ... the next question will be about 30% ...
          Thank you yes
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 12 November 2017 21: 34 New
            +1
            Electricity is the only product the price for which we have is much lower than anywhere else abroad. There was a report on television about the engine factory in Elabuga. Completely robotic and automated. Even automatic casting of crankcases. This is energy. Russian design and engineering work is not there. Can only installation. If these lines were constructed abroad, then there is no Russian enlightened thought in them. 20 years of such investments and we will not have our engineers and designers. The conflict in the Crimea over Siemens turbines did not raise you to the question: who makes turbines for our hydroelectric power plants? More and more key places in investments are held by foreign corporations. Remember the "new Russians" where did they go? The richest, for example, Berezovsky, is shot abroad, but otherwise there is nothing more to steal except oil, gas and electricity. Theft of electricity is disguised as a purchase of our aluminum and titanium. Assembling a car, etc. allows you to bypass customs barriers and in the end we will only become poorer. Yes, we export excess grain, but import chips, chewing gum. And if the crop failure ???
            about 30 percent: Medvedev on a tour of AvtoVAZ said that in Russia there are many industries with a localization share of at least 30 percent, so far. These numbers are quite common. Seek and find. In addition to the month before, he said that in Russia universities are clearly redundant. And for a year at the exhibition ... in short, Russian solar panels, he rated their efficiency very low, compared with hydrocarbons. That is, he does not think about future generations! such are the realities. The most terrible of them are investments in trade, in the raw materials sector and in automatic plants.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 12 November 2017 21: 55 New
              +8
              Sumptuously. Doesn’t, however. The question was:
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              about "state subsidized" electricity for enterprises

              You did not answer it. And they didn’t answer correctly, because (oh, horror!) The state does not subsidize electricity for enterprises. And for the majority of the population, by the way, too.
              Therefore - good advice - do not talk more about "subsidized electricity", this ... lies not true.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Electricity is the only product the price for which we have is much lower than anywhere else abroad ...

              Well, firstly, not the only one ... And secondly, in Ukraine and Kazakhstan the price will still be lower.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Theft of electricity disguised as a purchase of our aluminum and titanium

              Extremely enchanting ... that is, Al and Ti are bought from us not because they are needed, but because they decided to steal electricity from us belay
              You know ... it doesn’t fit in my head somehow. The prices for these metals in the world are known, and nobody here will sell them much lower than these prices - there is no fool.
              Cheaper electricity - less cost - more margin .. More tax will go to the state - no one has yet canceled the income tax ...
              Everything seems to be smooth, but some devils seem to you ... this is not good, IMHO.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Assembling a car, etc. allows you to circumvent customs barriers and in the end we will only get poorer

              About the "poorer" - on the water, sorry, wagging. There is a minus duty, but plus jobs (and consequently, salaries for workers and taxes on salaries - for the state), profit is also taxed ... in a word, here you have to count ... and I have not enough data to calculate. You, as I understand it, too.
              So then - nothing, sorry.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              we export excess grain, but import chips, chewing gum

              Wake up, you are fascinated (with) laughing
              All this has long been done "locally".
              Quote: aybolyt678
              And if the crop failure ???

              # wefseumrem Stop "taking out" ... so what?
              Thanks for the comprehensive answer, you reassured me.
              And then they frighten, panimaish ... "private owners steal lipidism from the state" ...
              Just awful, ugh, terrible that is request
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 12 November 2017 22: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                All this has long been done "locally".

                Thank! You can scold for a long time, and chuckle, but I will be moved, for an example of effective investing other people's money, thanks in advance. PS: look at the problems one step deeper, both after and before. . Remember the nature of money when it is born .. I am waiting for your example one, I reserve the right to comment on it
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 12 November 2017 23: 12 New
                  +8
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  you can yarter for a long time, and chuckle

                  Neither one nor the other do. You were mistaken, I corrected. Routine request
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  I will be moved, for an example of effective investing other people's money, thanks in advance

                  Please in advance. Just drown yet, what do you mean:
                  1, Under the "effective." From whose point of view should it be effective: a private trader who invests money? Or the state in which this private trader invests money? Or an enterprise in which ... well, etc.
                  Answers can be very different, specify what you would like to hear.
                  2. Why is there someone else’s money? I do not understand.
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  look at the problems one step deeper, both after and before. . Remember the nature of money when it is born.

                  Um ... somehow later, first specify the introductory one (see above).
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  I reserve the right to comment on it

                  No problem fellow
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 13 November 2017 05: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    1, Under the "effective." From whose point of view should it be effective: a private trader who invests money?

                    No investor will invest money in a loss-making enterprise. Therefore, of course, I am interested in the example of foreign investment in the Russian economy from the point of view of a Russian citizen, taking into account the prospects.
                    regarding electricity subsidies: You are right there are no subsidies, but the price of electricity is set by the state. As the historical, life experience shows, our State always misses something, somewhere. So, the real price does not take into account depreciation. This is proved by the facts with turbines in the Crimea and the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station. We buy turbines from Siemens, because it is more expensive to restore our factory.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 13 November 2017 06: 50 New
                      +8
                      Ufff ... Hard ... Okay:
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      No investor will invest money in a loss-making, for him, enterprise

                      + 100. If, of course, the investor is not one of these ... alternatively gifted, yeah.
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      Of course, I am interested in the example of foreign investment in the Russian economy from the point of view of a citizen of Russia, taking into account the prospects

                      Why didn’t the engine plant please you?
                      Still don't get it ...
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      You are right there are no subsidies ...

                      I knew wink
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      ... but the price of electricity is set by the state

                      Not installed. Adjustable. Feel the difference.
                      Regulation means that the seller’s profit is limited. At the same time, profit does not go anywhere, and production is still profitable.
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      The real price does not include depreciation. This is proved by the facts with turbines in the Crimea and the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station

                      Bullshit, sorry.
                      Facts "with turbines in the Crimea" and the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric station - from different "bowls":
                      They ordered the turbines, because we can’t do it ourselves yet.
                      The accident is gouging ... well, let Chubais personally, it will be so "tastier" to you, apparently.
                      Depreciation here ... no sideways, sorry.
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      We buy turbines from Siemens, because it is more expensive to restore our factory

                      Turbines are rarely purchased. To maintain your own factory for this is silly when this product is on the market ... quantum satis, and not just Siemens.
                      That's about it for now yes
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 13 November 2017 17: 42 New
                        0
                        Do you know that every psycho considers himself normal? it's me as a doctor, I often see terms like delirium, quantum satis in your comments. Okay, I feel a comrade in you, but not yet matured. Have you studied any of the Russian economists? I mean, they didn’t scan, at the top, and then watched the reviews in the forums? namely, the primary sources? Glazyev, Katasonov, Parshin ... and how old are you?
                      2. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 13 November 2017 20: 05 New
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        They ordered the turbines, because we can’t do it ourselves yet.

                        small correction: because we can’t ALREADY do it ourselves.
                      3. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 13 November 2017 20: 16 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Why didn’t the engine plant please you?

                        A typical factory where even toilet bowls are from abroad. Where there is no design bureau with our specialists, where not a single technological cycle depends on our capabilities, where there is no system for identifying talented engineers, they are not even needed there. And the worst thing is that no one here, even AvtoVAZ, can copy these lines. I say that we will not be able to enter the global economy. We surrender in small steps. Either it’s easier to buy turbines there, then they’ll put their plant at home, AvtoVAZ gamno.
                        The goal is not to enter the global economy. Maximum copyright, this is salvation for our country.
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 13 November 2017 17: 50 New
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                You know ... it doesn’t fit in my head somehow. The prices for these metals in the world are known, and nobody here will sell them much lower than these prices - there is no fool.

                And you put it in your head ... just recently bought an electric plane. piece of iron with two plus and 2 blades to it. a two and a half thousand planer and one thousand one hundred blades. this despite the fact that the planer is already there. the blades weigh 12 grams. But it seems like the same metal. Russian titanium and aluminum are the best in the world, as are the Boeing aircraft of which they are made.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 13 November 2017 20: 52 New
                  +7
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  But it’s like the same metal ...

                  Nah ... not "the same" ... not to mention the fact that in the plane itself there are copper, aluminum, and iron ... there are a lot of things. Unlike blades.
                  And the price is not determined at all by the amount of metal spent on this product.
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  Russian titanium with aluminum is the best in the world ...

                  What kind of hangover is this? Exactly the same as everywhere ... The periodic table, it seems, has not been canceled so far laughing
                  In short, the doctor ... your way of thinking is approximately clear to me. To explain to you that twice two - four, I did not subscribe.
                  About "state-subsidized electricity" just do not write more wink
                  On this - bye hi
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 13 November 2017 21: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    About "state-subsidized electricity" just do not write more wink
                    On this - while hi

                    There is a theory: that everything, absolutely everything, costs as much as the energy spent on it. Water in Qatar, the Emirates, Israel and Egypt, fired brick, sawn wood, multiple redistribution of metal: ore, cast iron, steel, rolled metal .... we never shine to be a supplier of solar energy. Resources must be protected.
                    And professional knowledge is also capital. All below the bar of our education. Less and less quotes of our specialists abroad.
                    You see, I don’t understand this, and the ideological foundation is weak .. Now that’s all.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 13 November 2017 22: 36 New
                      +7
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      ... the ideological foundation is weak ...

                      No ideology can ever replace knowledge and experience.
                      On your "ideological foundation" you are piling, sorry, absurdity for absurdity. Due to the lack of logical thinking, IMHO.
                      I did not understand - either you pretend to be talented, or you really do not understand the fundamental things that a more or less educated person simply cannot understand.
                      Pearls a la "our titanium is the best in the world" (and Russia is the birthplace of elephants, og), "depreciation is not included in the cost of electricity" and the other is not even a kindergarten, sorry.
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      Everything below the bar of our education

                      I can’t say anything about yours. I don’t complain about my own thing, then they taught me well. My child is also okay in this regard, for others I am not responsible - there are my dad and mom, their headache.
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      Less and less quotes of our specialists abroad

                      There have never been any quotes. Neither in the Union, nor now.
                      At the same time, a normal specialist will always find work for himself, What is here, what is “abroad”.
                      I know a lot of examples of this, I myself still work as if here ... and, as it were, "abroad".
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      There is such a theory: that everything, absolutely everything, costs as much as the energy spent on it

                      Shiz, sorry, balcony. In the development of, say, the same turbine from Siemens, much less energy was invested than, for example, in a few tons of cast iron ingots.
                      But the cost (selling) of such a development is immeasurably higher than those of ingots.
                      That's all your theory request
                      And so it is repeated over and over again.
                      That's why I say - learn ... the multiplication table, start with twice two ...
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 14 November 2017 05: 54 New
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        But the cost (selling) of such a development is immeasurably higher than those of ingots.

                        Bravo, a little more. Cast iron ingot before it becomes high-quality metals with special properties must go through several stages associated with heat and energy consumption. The labor of designers and engineers constructing this "Chushka Spit" is also energy-consuming, but there are also designers and engineers who constructed equipment for making these pigs, and there is also an education system that prepares personnel, the cost of which is included in the price of these pigs, so to speak. Is this not visible? and we supply sweepers and guards to these engine plants! TWICE TWO IN A SQUARE WILL BE EIGHT! .
                        Cost is labor embodied in the product!
  6. Masya masya
    Masya masya 9 November 2017 18: 40 New
    +5
    A merchant trader sees from far ...
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 9 November 2017 19: 10 New
      +7
      PS do not share the skin of a dead bear ...
  7. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 9 November 2017 18: 56 New
    13
    “Russia is becoming a weak link” ... And what “link” can it be, with its economy equal to one state in the USA? Yes, and half raw ...
    1. NN52
      NN52 9 November 2017 20: 23 New
      +9
      Just as Feday was, he stayed ....

      And I'm an elk, just an elk ....
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 9 November 2017 21: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: NN52
        And I'm an elk, just an elk ....

        Sympathize with you...
    2. Silver fox_2
      Silver fox_2 9 November 2017 20: 55 New
      +1
      Fedya2017 compare the economy by GDP and PPP) you can not compare one GDP without PPP
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 9 November 2017 22: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Silver Fox_2
        Fedya2017 compare the economy by GDP and PPP) you can not compare one GDP without PPP

        Let's see ... "In reality, New York's GDP in 2016 amounted to 1 trillion 275 billion 137 million dollars, while the GDP of the Russian Federation showed 1 trillion 283 billion dollars. Thus, New York lacked only $ 5 billion with copecks, to get ahead of Russia. However ...

        However, the total state GDP for 2016 amounted to 1 trillion 487 billion 998 million dollars. Moreover, New York State was only third in terms of GDP in the US ranking, and the first belonged to California with $ 2,602 trillion. That is, California’s GDP is 2 times that of the Russian Federation? But, not about the same speech, we are not distracted!

        So, according to the latest statistics, New York’s GDP already exceeds $ 1,4 trillion. Wonderful, isn't it? And this is two months before the end of the year. But want more?

        And more than that, given the stable growth of GDP, New York, according to the calculations of the US government in 2018, should be at least $ 1,6 trillion!

        Without oil. Without gas. Without colossal territories with innumerable natural resources. We looked ... Well, and ... ???!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 9 November 2017 22: 58 New
          10
          Quote: Fedya2017
          We looked ... Well, and ... ???!

          (Yawning lazily ...) But remind me, dear, as the GDP is considered, and what, in general, is included there? (keep yawning).
          1. PPK
            PPK 11 November 2017 12: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            But remind me, my dear, according to the GDP, and what, in general, is included there? (keep yawning).

            this is the market value of all goods and services produced per year in all sectors of the economy. For a more accurate comparison, PPP GDP is applied. And you yourself were not able to find the methods?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 November 2017 12: 39 New
              +7
              I did not call you, the question was, um ... fede ...
              Quote: PPK
              And you yourself were not able to find the methods?

              I'm a little bit in the subject, and I have Yes Fedya wanted to poke his nose lightly.
              You are here - no sideways. Bye.
              1. PPK
                PPK 11 November 2017 12: 42 New
                +3
                What kind of thieves' jargon do you have, I wonder what topic are you in?
        2. the lord
          the lord 9 November 2017 23: 34 New
          +3
          With such tsifyrkah about debts would be worth remembering ... and all your gdp states together and the states separately are reduced to gdp of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug or there Ryazan region
        3. Mih1974
          Mih1974 10 November 2017 09: 21 New
          +2
          Russia in the case of complete isolation - it can live and develop, New York with complete isolation - will die dead, first from hunger, then plunge into darkness. tongue
          1. PPK
            PPK 11 November 2017 14: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Mih1974
            Russia in the case of complete isolation - can live and develop

            But is Russia not an import-oriented economy and is it capable of producing all key goods independently?
        4. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 00: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Fedya2017
          Quote: Silver Fox_2
          Fedya2017 compare the economy by GDP and PPP) you can not compare one GDP without PPP

          Let's see ... "In reality, New York's GDP in 2016 amounted to 1 trillion 275 billion 137 million dollars, while the GDP of the Russian Federation showed 1 trillion 283 billion dollars. Thus, New York lacked only $ 5 billion with copecks, to get ahead of Russia. However ...

          However, the total state GDP for 2016 amounted to 1 trillion 487 billion 998 million dollars. Moreover, New York State was only third in terms of GDP in the US ranking, and the first belonged to California with $ 2,602 trillion. That is, California’s GDP is 2 times that of the Russian Federation? But, not about the same speech, we are not distracted!

          So, according to the latest statistics, New York’s GDP already exceeds $ 1,4 trillion. Wonderful, isn't it? And this is two months before the end of the year. But want more?

          And more than that, given the stable growth of GDP, New York, according to the calculations of the US government in 2018, should be at least $ 1,6 trillion!

          Without oil. Without gas. Without colossal territories with innumerable natural resources. We looked ... Well, and ... ???!

          ... and with all this "economic power" .... In New York, archaic steam heating. I emphasize: not water, but steam! That is, not water circulates through the pipes, the temperature of which can be set depending on the weather, but steam, the temperature of which is always above 100 degrees. Steam is never colder! Accordingly, Manhattan's batteries are always red-hot and really burn when touched, and since the winters are mild, the temperature of the batteries is excessive, and when warming, residents have to open the windows so as not to suffocate. In addition to everything, the steam in the batteries rings and rumbles. And you can’t change anything - the whole city will have to be changed. wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 11 November 2017 10: 09 New
            +1
            The Russian economy is shrinking to the size of the state of California .... not so little, although it is better to Texas!
        5. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 00: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Fedya2017
          Quote: Silver Fox_2
          Fedya2017 compare the economy by GDP and PPP) you can not compare one GDP without PPP

          Let's see ... "In reality, New York's GDP in 2016 amounted to 1 trillion 275 billion 137 million dollars, while the GDP of the Russian Federation showed 1 trillion 283 billion dollars. Thus, New York lacked only $ 5 billion with copecks, to get ahead of Russia. However ...

          However, the total state GDP for 2016 amounted to 1 trillion 487 billion 998 million dollars. Moreover, New York State was only third in terms of GDP in the US ranking, and the first belonged to California with $ 2,602 trillion. That is, California’s GDP is 2 times that of the Russian Federation? But, not about the same speech, we are not distracted!

          So, according to the latest statistics, New York’s GDP already exceeds $ 1,4 trillion. Wonderful, isn't it? And this is two months before the end of the year. But want more?

          And more than that, given the stable growth of GDP, New York, according to the calculations of the US government in 2018, should be at least $ 1,6 trillion!

          Without oil. Without gas. Without colossal territories with innumerable natural resources. We looked ... Well, and ... ???!

          And count up, with one small nuclear strike on the town, we’ll destroy more than 10% of the Americans ’GDP !!! lol lol lol wink yes
          1. Fedya2017
            Fedya2017 11 November 2017 00: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            with one small nuclear strike on the town, we will destroy more than 10% of the Americans gdp !!!

            You just don’t have to see it on TV. Dead TVs don't watch ...
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 01: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: Fedya2017
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              with one small nuclear strike on the town, we will destroy more than 10% of the Americans gdp !!!

              You just don’t have to see it on TV. Dead TVs don't watch ...

              how to know how to know !!! yes laughing laughing laughing
              1. Fedya2017
                Fedya2017 11 November 2017 11: 22 New
                +4
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                how to know how to know !!!

                Risking to use nuclear weapons first, die second ... How old are you? Is the child a victim of the exam? Or a notebook patriotism with a diagnosis? If we are talking about economics, you are crap about what kind of heating is in New York ... To start discussing this heating with you, you’ll bear crap that they will soon have Yellowstone ... Are you mentally sound? Maybe this age? ...
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 16: 04 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Fedya2017
                  Quote: Nikolai Grek
                  how to know how to know !!!

                  Risking to use nuclear weapons first, die second ... How old are you? Is the child a victim of the exam? Or a notebook patriotism with a diagnosis? If we are talking about economics, you are crap about what kind of heating is in New York ... To start discussing this heating with you, you’ll bear crap that they will soon have Yellowstone ... Are you mentally sound? Maybe this age? ...

                  rather you are a victim of American propaganda !!! not the fact that the Americans have real combat-ready air defense / missile defense systems and nuclear forces !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
                  1. Fedya2017
                    Fedya2017 11 November 2017 17: 54 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    rather you are a victim of American propaganda !!! not the fact that the Americans have real combat-ready air defense / missile defense systems and nuclear forces !!!

                    Well, well ... You, it’s still worse than I thought at first. There is nothing to be done about it ... I wish you recovery. All the best.
                    1. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 18: 56 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Fedya2017
                      Quote: Nikolai Grek
                      rather you are a victim of American propaganda !!! not the fact that the Americans have real combat-ready air defense / missile defense systems and nuclear forces !!!

                      Well, well ... You, it’s still worse than I thought at first. There is nothing to be done about it ... I wish you recovery. All the best.

                      and you don’t get sick from believing in American exceptionalism !! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
        6. tezey
          tezey 11 November 2017 09: 50 New
          +2
          And what does this New York State GDP say. Are they in this state who produce more steel, cars, grow more grain than in the Russian Federation? Not at all. So where do the numbers come from and what do they mean. Wall Street is there. This is where operations with trillions of dollars from around the world take place. Hence the GDP. From this in the pocket of the Americans is not very much added.
          1. Fedya2017
            Fedya2017 11 November 2017 12: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Theseus
            Hence the GDP. From this in the pocket of the Americans is not very much added.

            Have you added a lot to your pocket from record oil sales in recent years? Unless of course you are a top manager or shareholder of gas and oil companies ...
        7. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 11 November 2017 10: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Fedya2017
          Without oil. Without gas. Without colossal territories with innumerable natural resources.

          do not confuse the cutest territories and resources of the USSR and Russia. And the times are not the same.
          1. Fedya2017
            Fedya2017 11 November 2017 11: 24 New
            0
            Quote: aybolyt678
            do not confuse the cutest territories and resources of the USSR and Russia. And the times are not the same.

            Do you even understand what this is about? It seems that - not really ...
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 11 November 2017 11: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Fedya2017
              Do you even understand what this is about? It seems that - not really.

              I carefully read your comments, I can read what you advise, but read for example here: https: //doctormike10.livejournal.com/23080.html, or Andrei Parshin, you might get wiser
              1. Fedya2017
                Fedya2017 11 November 2017 12: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: aybolyt678
                or Andrei Parshin, you might get smarter

                Actually, he is Parshev ... An interesting person and in many ways is right. But you did not pay attention to his conclusions - "Who is to blame and what to do" ... It seemed to you that there is no way out, if we have such a climate, Parshev does not say that "there is nothing to be done." In addition, there are other opinions ... A. Nikolsky. Review on the book of A. P. Parshev “Why Russia is not America”.
                S.V. Tsirel. The myth of the defectiveness of Russian nature. A belated review of A.P. Parshev’s book, Why Russia Is Not America.
                Smirnov I. Yu. And than Russia is not Nigeria
                Victor Danilov-Danilyan: Parshev’s book is a balm for patriots of all kinds
                D. B. Oreshkin. Climate and A. Parshev as victims of abortion
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 11 November 2017 12: 57 New
                  +2
                  Fedya! thank. Did you read everything yourself? What did you especially like? Parshev is wrong in one thing: comparing the cost of production in Russia and America, he equated a loaf of bread in Russia with a loaf in America. Thanks again
                  1. Fedya2017
                    Fedya2017 11 November 2017 13: 50 New
                    +3
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    Parshev is wrong in one thing: comparing the cost of production in Russia and America, he equated a loaf of bread in Russia with a loaf in America. Thanks again

                    Please do not be angry at my harshness ... Apparently, I didn’t quite understand you correctly, by one comment. I apologize ... There are too many ostentatious military couches of urrryaaa-patriotism ... I read both Parshev and some of his critics ... Not all criticism is fair.
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 10 November 2017 11: 14 New
      +4
      Well, you, if you listen to our authorities, then life has become better, life has become more fun.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 10 November 2017 12: 04 New
        +7
        Quote: Kent0001
        Well, you, if you listen to our authorities, then life has become better, life has become more fun.

        It’s clear with the authorities, it’s always good and fun while she’s in power ... But the comments of many readers and admirers are fun to watch. All in all - “Urrrryayayaaaa!” ... Reminds cries of football fans, such as “Spartak champion!” ... True, no one will remember when that “Spartak” was the champion and where, but it doesn’t matter to the fans ... The main thing is to shout bulging eyes and puffing out cheeks.
        1. Silver fox_2
          Silver fox_2 10 November 2017 16: 45 New
          +1
          Fedya 2017 on PPP is not so scary in Russia! I'm not saying that New York receive less))
          1. Fedya2017
            Fedya2017 10 November 2017 18: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Silver Fox_2
            Fedya 2017 on PPP is not so scary in Russia!

            Of course, not all ... Just 23 million at the poverty line, according to Putin’s ministers.
            Quote: Silver Fox_2
            I'm not saying that New York receive less))

            And don’t say ... It’s better sometimes to keep silent))
            1. igor_2
              igor_2 10 November 2017 22: 23 New
              +5
              ... We snickered, gentlemen. We eat too much and eat deliciously, everything gets too easy for us. We do not appreciate the clothes from the previous collection, forgetting how our grandmothers darned socks. We moan that we feel bad in comfortable cars with kondeem. We generally always moan. We are never enough, nothing surprises. To be happy, you have to limit yourself. No wonder in any religion there is a post. The more hungry a person, the tastier the food. Than a man is gorging, the food is tasteless, and the soul is unhappy ... For some reason, we were brought up in such a way that everyone owes us. We did not go to school for 5 kilometers, biting into the granite of science. We did not help parents in the field - we were always provided with a hot breakfast. Many
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 00: 21 New
              +4
              Quote: Fedya2017
              Of course, not all ... Just 23 million at the poverty line, according to Putin’s ministers.

              amerikosov 60 lyamas do not bother the poor, and here you have a tantrum !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
              1. PPK
                PPK 11 November 2017 12: 40 New
                +2
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                amerikosov 60 lyamas poor does not bother

                The whole question is who is considered to be a beggar among them and who is considered to be a beggar in the Russian Federation.
                in the USA, the poverty level is calculated on the basis of the subsistence level multiplied by a factor of 2,5. In 2014, it was a little more than $ 1 thousand per month, that is, about $ 34 per day
                That is, the poor in the United States is a person with an income below $ 2500 per month.
                And who is considered a beggar in the Russian Federation?
                1. Fedya2017
                  Fedya2017 11 November 2017 14: 50 New
                  +2
                  Quote: PPK
                  And who is considered a beggar in the Russian Federation?

                  Minister O. Golodets publicly admitted that we have - "A unique phenomenon. When they have work, they have income that allows them to live only below the poverty line." The minister made such a confession ... True, urry-a-patriotism on the VO website hears and sees only what they like. And this is passed by ...
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 11 November 2017 15: 00 New
                    10
                    Quote: Fedya2017
                    True, the urray-a-patriotism on the VO site only hears and sees what they like. And this is passed by ...

                    But alas, trolls on the same site persistently pedal precisely those topics that they (and only them) are comfortable with.
                    At the same time, do not hesitate to distort and distort (you need examples - I have them (s)).
                    And where, excuse me, is the "poor peasant to go"?
                    Do not like the job - look for another, better. You can’t - your (and only yours) sorrow request
                    Each blacksmith for himself is not said by us ... but - for us yes
                    1. Fedya2017
                      Fedya2017 11 November 2017 15: 11 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      And where, excuse me, is the "poor peasant to go"?

                      Phew! Jack - Place !!! ...
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 11 November 2017 15: 14 New
                        +9
                        Quote: Fedya2017
                        Phew! Jack - Place !!! ...

                        If you said this to my dog, he would be very surprised ...
                        I'm afraid that these would be your last words in this world crying
                2. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 11 November 2017 16: 07 New
                  +3
                  Quote: PPK
                  The whole question is who is considered to be a beggar among them and who is considered to be a beggar in the Russian Federation.
                  in the USA, the poverty level is calculated on the basis of the subsistence level multiplied by a factor of 2,5. In 2014, it was a little more than $ 1 thousand per month, that is, about $ 34 per day
                  That is, the poor in the United States is a person with an income below $ 2500 per month.

                  you drive to America and "please" with these calculations the poor Americans ... maybe even they will put your brain in place !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
        2. Hitrovan07
          Hitrovan07 10 November 2017 19: 13 New
          +4
          Energy, resources - Fedya is not a plastic iPhone, real estate and other benefits - in New York, GDP is candy wrappers, in Russia there is a reality and there is a big move for this reality.
          1. Fedya2017
            Fedya2017 10 November 2017 19: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Hitrovan07
            Energy, resources - Fedya is not a plastic iPhone, real estate and other benefits - in New York, GDP is candy wrappers, in Russia there is a reality and there is a big move for this reality.

            The fact of the matter is that GDP with plastic iPhones is more profitable than a stupid sale of irreplaceable natural resources and energy ... for these same candy wrappers, so beloved by Russian elites and elites.
            1. igor_2
              igor_2 10 November 2017 22: 25 New
              +2
              ... We snickered, gentlemen. We eat too much and eat deliciously, everything gets too easy for us. We do not appreciate the clothes from the previous collection, forgetting how our grandmothers darned socks. We moan that we feel bad in comfortable cars with kondeem. We generally always moan. We are never enough, nothing surprises. To be happy, you have to limit yourself. No wonder in any religion there is a post. The more hungry a person, the tastier the food. Than a man is gorging, the food is tasteless, and the soul is unhappy ... For some reason, we were brought up in such a way that everyone owes us. We did not go to school for 5 kilometers, biting into the granite of science. We did not help parents in the field - we were always provided with a hot breakfast. Many
              1. Fedya2017
                Fedya2017 10 November 2017 22: 35 New
                +4
                Quote: igor_2
                We snickered, gentlemen

                Golden words ... Penetratingly so. Send this text to the most famous Russian oligarchs and government officials. And those 23 million Russians who live near the poverty line and pensioners from factories will support you ...
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 11 November 2017 09: 09 New
                +2
                Quote: igor_2
                To be happy, you have to limit yourself. No wonder in any religion there is a post. The more hungry a person, the tastier the food.

                Happiness is just a sense of perspective! If there is a clear goal - you can starve! the problem is that there is no clear goal, no conscious economic policy.
                1. ihappy
                  ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 09 New
                  0
                  Again, Putin is to blame. Now he has not given you a goal in life.
                  That's where professionalism is in shifting blame.
              3. You Vlad
                You Vlad 11 November 2017 16: 31 New
                0
                Quote: igor_2
                We generally always moan. We are never enough, nothing surprises. To be happy, you have to limit yourself. No wonder in any religion there is a post. The more hungry a person, the tastier the food. Than man gorges, the food is tasteless, and the soul is unhappy ...

                Verb Truth hiMany do not understand that a normal person does not need much for happiness, and all these races for money lead to the fact that a person with a million in his pocket feels poor and unhappy! After all, he will always miss something (cooler, more prestigious), but what is discounted by this.
          2. PPK
            PPK 11 November 2017 15: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Hitrovan07
            GDP is candy wrappers, reality in Russia

            Can you chew what's the difference? I’m not an economist and I don’t see it. Isn’t Russia giving oil for those same candy wrappers?
            1. ihappy
              ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 13 New
              0
              In the United States, more than half of GDP is services.
              With any reeling in the country immediately crisis.
              As it was in 2008.
              First, one, then people got rid of it and stopped using services for the sake of saving.
              And the economy crackled again.

              In Russia, the economy is not built on services. And more on real goods. Therefore, any crisis does not hit so hard.
              Because you can refuse services, but real products are more complicated already.
              1. PPK
                PPK 12 November 2017 14: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: ihappy
                Therefore, any crisis does not hit so hard.

                then how do you explain that in 2008 during the fall of Russia's GDP was the largest in the world? And at the same time I wonder why, after the fall in oil prices, it was again in Russia, not in the USA, that the crisis started?
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  8. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 November 2017 20: 32 New
    12
    If you have problems in your country, arrange a revolution - and you will understand that you had no problems in your country.
  9. unignm
    unignm 9 November 2017 21: 06 New
    0
    aaaaa plaster take off
  10. seacap
    seacap 10 November 2017 00: 41 New
    13
    The pipe had to be smoothed less, and the snot on the cheeks should be smashed when Ukrainians with Europe slashed and put cancer on the cheeks, and they were engaged in economics in the interests of their country, and not of an overseas power, without listening to the lackeys of the Fed and the IMF such as kudrins with an excellent Yale student Nabiulin, to press the oligarchs and other bloodsucker ghouls to the nail with the condition that they either work and live in their own country, multiplying its wealth or work beyond the Urals, they clean the taiga under the rake. And now what’s sighing and whining, whether ** and money, as always, such a fate is evident with us, that whoever is at the helm and at the money or is corrupt, and now along the way, this and that together in one bottle. And which chapter you don’t choose here, it seems without the methods of the 37th year, and most importantly, Stalin and his team can’t defeat this scum, so we’ll make it clear that there is no money, the people are poor, etc. in rounds 5 and 10, the next talking head will broadcast what needs to be done and how to do it, otherwise we didn’t even know how to elect him and put him in this chair to do what he was broadcasting. blah blah blah will end. Like our 600 parasites with the salary of an oligarch, with a bunch of helpers in the Duma, for months they solve the most pressing and vital issues of the country, such as whether you can smoke at the entrance or not, and which way to go around the ring. that the country is already robbed by budgets, that the economy is medieval, and indeed, a war of destruction is being waged against our country? And they are damn, they are fighting with smoking at the entrance.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 11 November 2017 08: 58 New
      +2
      Smoking at the entrance is a trifle, But! all life is made up of little things. Once in my life I got drunk drunk, but this one was at a wedding once, since then my whole life has been somersault! Another thing is that the brains do not brighten the deputies. Close the borders! We do not need foreign investments! this is precisely what Stalin was directed at at 37! He took loans from the same Germany when signing the Molotov Ribbentrop Act. And to give that credit it was necessary not with money but with skins, a feather, a fish bubble!
      1. seacap
        seacap 11 November 2017 12: 18 New
        +2
        By the way, I bring to your attention about the 37th. Stalin began to possess all power in the country only at the end of the 38th, at the same time Beria became the people's commissar of the VD, including attributing reprisals to them, at least, not correctly. here the predecessors of globalists and liberals are directly involved in this, just as in the 90s their descendants recouped the counter-revolution, destroying the country and more than 10 million people.
  11. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 10 November 2017 02: 15 New
    +2
    And where are the promised formidable American sanctions to the whole world for cooperation with Russian defense enterprises? Instead of sanctions, the Chinese are given the opportunity to work and buy aircraft and processors for smartphones in the United States.
    Or did I listen to something?
    China is the first in line for C400 and Su35
  12. mavrus
    mavrus 10 November 2017 02: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Fedya2017
    We looked ... Well, and ... ???!

    (Yawning lazily ...) But remind me, dear, as the GDP is considered, and what, in general, is included there? (keep yawning).

    About growing ... Already with the whole state they are comparing, I remember how under Yeltsin we were compared with some kind of ovsk middle-hand shop, it was fun. Let’s get the liberals back, and then we’ll compare with some seedy Texan ranch.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 10 November 2017 10: 51 New
      +8
      Quote: mavrus
      Let’s get the liberals back, and then we’ll compare with some seedy Texan ranch.

      Did they go somewhere? Everything is in place - Putin, Kudrin, Medvedev, Siluanov, Nabiulin, etc., etc.
      1. anpaza
        anpaza 10 November 2017 14: 36 New
        +2
        These are liberals, and he speaks about liberalists. Well, those who live, live, well, take at least you, for example.
        1. Fedya2017
          Fedya2017 10 November 2017 18: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: anpaza
          These are liberals, and he speaks about liberalists.

          Do you somehow distinguish between them? Indeed, something is wrong with your live-in-live ... Doesn’t it still, in the manner of the Ukrainians ?!
          1. ihappy
            ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 16 New
            0
            Easily.
            Liberast is a piderast that disguises itself as liberal dogma to achieve its goals.
            By type of Bulk.
            Putin is not a liberal either. Since he does not hide behind them, he is truly a liberal.
            And you still have to grow and grow to understand this.
  13. Sergey Kiryushin
    Sergey Kiryushin 10 November 2017 09: 44 New
    +3
    Again, "everything is lost!". :) All these corporations have been present in the Chinese market for a long time. Moreover, Boeing there is fighting with might and main with Airbus, and the Chinese are getting technology. Trump, contrary to his election campaign, left production in China for foreign policy. The Chinese have always been happy to sign contracts and provide preferences to high-tech foreign companies. Initially, they all provided this to everyone, but recently they began to choose. Now they are not interested in aircraft manufacturing and space. China does not produce its microprocessors (and aliens) (only Huawei is an exception). Hence the wide open doors for Qualcomm. The Chinese market is now closing for most products similar to those produced by Chinese companies. The same iPhone, assembled in China, is more expensive than ours. The same story with Samsung. And the market share of Chinese A-brands is growing. China takes what is beneficial to it not from the point of view of momentary gain, but from the point of view of the future. And to implement all these ambitious projects with the United States, China will need both raw materials and energy. Therefore, China will always balance the rope between Russia and the United States.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 10 November 2017 10: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Kiryushin
      Now they are not interested in aircraft manufacturing and space.

      Yeah ... That's why they bought Antonov from Ukraine and built a whole town for Ukrainian engineers and skilled workers in China ...
      1. anpaza
        anpaza 10 November 2017 14: 37 New
        0
        Kakly will be thrown, as usual.
        1. Fedya2017
          Fedya2017 10 November 2017 18: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: anpaza
          Kakly will be thrown, as usual.

          This is unlikely ... Conditions dictate not kakly. In addition, the "Chinese" Antonovites have already made a carrier-based AWACS aircraft for Chinese aircraft carriers. We don’t have one and probably won’t ... Although we don’t actually have an aircraft carrier either. "Kuznetsov" without aircraft DRLOU - just helpless against the American aircraft carriers. Well, you are a "patriotto" ... You are already warm from the slogans. If anything, you will be jumping. like Ukrainians ...
          1. ihappy
            ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 17 New
            0
            God again, these holy aircraft carriers))
            And the fact that these are coffins against modern weapons, the liberals do not have the idea in their heads.
            Holy America is strong and will kill Russia. Yeah.
  14. Levius
    Levius 10 November 2017 09: 49 New
    +4
    All according to plan. China will be the first in the world. The United States will lose FSE. But Russia needs to stand a little apart when China and the United States fight. We will remain the empire of the Spirit. As it was prescribed. Be the first and feed the whole world again. Wipe all snot wipe zhopki and put in the corners. Do we need it? 70 years of attempts to make the whole world happy contrary to their desires were enough. Let someone else pull this load on himself this time. Restoring Russia is enough for us. And we have a lot of land and forests and rivers.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 10 November 2017 10: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Levius
      We will remain the empire of the Spirit. As it was prescribed.

      And we will sell energy, instead of competitive products ... It is doubtful that there would be buyers for the purchase of the Spirit. As it was spelled out ... Urrryayaaaa !!!!! Long live the empire of Spirits!
      Quote: Levius
      And we have a lot of land and forests and rivers.

      A lot of course. That's just Russian - it’s getting smaller ...
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 10 November 2017 21: 22 New
        +2
        Oh, Fedya Fedya! Do you think that if Russia starts making smartphones well, they will immediately start buying them ?! ))) Khrenushki. Such economists will bring the country to a white knee. Resources, many, by the way, are renewable. By growing grain, you can make good money. Developing agriculture has never been unprofitable. If growing, of course! Eating is always a hunt. And to do the things that the Chinese and Americans are already doing the same, starting to compete with them - just idiocy!
        1. Fedya2017
          Fedya2017 10 November 2017 21: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Hottabych
          And to do the things that the Chinese and Americans are already doing the same, starting to compete with them - just idiocy!

          Eh, Hottabych Hottabych! The Chinese did not think so when they adopted the “four modernization” program ... As a result, they are a superpower. And Russia with those who think like you is a raw-material donor for China. Today, it is not Russia that is growing in the riches of Siberia, but China.
          1. Hottabych
            Hottabych 10 November 2017 23: 22 New
            +1
            You know better than me how China became a superpower ...
            What is the size of China and what is ours ... You put Singapore as an example! Where grandmas invested, that economy is growing. Nothing new.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 10 November 2017 23: 30 New
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              Quote: Hottabych
              Hottabych

              You feed the troll. You probably have a hobby ...
              1. Hottabych
                Hottabych 10 November 2017 23: 51 New
                +1
                Yes, a hobby. )
                1. Fedya2017
                  Fedya2017 11 November 2017 00: 29 New
                  0
                  Quote: Hottabych
                  Yes, a hobby. )

                  Apparently, I somehow kicked like Jack ... Dogs are very touchy and vicious. Sorry, it's interesting to talk with you, but I have to go ... Tomorrow's work.
              2. Fedya2017
                Fedya2017 11 November 2017 00: 05 New
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                You feed the troll

                To the leg, Jack ... Fu!
            2. Fedya2017
              Fedya2017 10 November 2017 23: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: Hottabych
              What is the size of China and what is ours ...

              If we had such a population, this would be such an excuse for our government to justify our "impotence" ... By the way, with such a population in China, an apartment is cheaper than ours. Many Russian pensioners moved to live through the Amur ...
            3. Fedya2017
              Fedya2017 10 November 2017 23: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Hottabych
              You know better than me how China became a superpower ...

              So same as the USSR of the times of Stalin ... They carried out industrialization. NEP and the attraction of foreign capital, technology and specialists. Following the example of the young Soviet government after the civil war ...
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      2. ihappy
        ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 18 New
        0
        Hey, what have you done for the country?
        Shit on the Internet pouring home? Well done, hero.
  15. asr55
    asr55 10 November 2017 10: 39 New
    +1
    At all times, Russia has not been a weak link and never will be. It would not be desirable for the author Konstantin Semin. In his opinion, if someone signed a contract with China for the summit more than Russia, then it is just a weak link. Language as a broom. Better to write something good about his country. Or is she not yours?
    1. ihappy
      ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 21 New
      0
      Semin is an ordinary alarmist.
      I stopped watching him. He’s been screaming for more than a year now, “we’ll die, everything will fall apart, what to do, what to do.”
  16. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 10 November 2017 10: 42 New
    +3
    So what kind of panic? Met, talked, made trade deals, and you wanted them to declare war on each other? China will never come close to the Americans; The whole world has long understood that the country of the United States, "you can’t turn your back on it in the bathhouse", let alone relax, and the author of the article is an ordinary idiot, nothing has happened yet, and he has already put on diapers. laughing
  17. Nuclear fuel station
    Nuclear fuel station 10 November 2017 11: 37 New
    0
    The US has a public debt, China is an ordinary factory, and all of them will collapse, and only a gas station after they collapse and oil depreciates will not lose anything. Russia can live and develop in isolation, unlike the Americans, go to subsistence farming, gathering, hunting. Syria, DPRK, Iran and Guatemala are with us!
    1. misha48
      misha48 10 November 2017 13: 57 New
      +1
      Papua also forgot the new guinea.
  18. Mihail59
    Mihail59 10 November 2017 11: 42 New
    0
    Alarmists got it - "the boss was all gone ...", which was little in history when they were friends and traded, and then in the morning without declaring war they became implacable enemies and until they were completely surrendered ... Yes, not those days and they didn’t declare war on a downed plane, they act asymmetrically, the times of the Principles have passed and each has its own people, which they must feed “friendship-friendship and tobacco apart”. Due to the notorious Belarusian shrimp, we did not refuse the same joint exercises.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 10 November 2017 19: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Michael59
      Yes, not those times and for a downed plane they do not declare war, act asymmetrically

      Yeah ... That’s why our S-300 \ 400 do not shoot down Turks, Israelis and Amers in Syria when they bomb and shoot down Syrians and Russians. Wrong times ... Acting [/ i] asymmetrically [i] - tomatoes.
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 10 November 2017 21: 29 New
        +1
        These complexes are there, as was stated, to protect our troops, and not the troops of Syria, Iran, or someone else! Why juggle, inventing your own tales ?!
        1. Fedya2017
          Fedya2017 10 November 2017 22: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Hottabych
          These complexes are there, as was stated, to protect our troops, and not the troops of Syria, Iran, or someone else!

          To protect your troops, you must sit at home and not sign up for the defenders of Syria. If the USSR was to protect someone, then not with tomato "sanctions." We are afraid to protect ourselves, our plane shot down by the Turks is evidence of this ...
          Quote: Hottabych
          Why juggle, inventing your own tales ?!

          Tales tell you on Russian TV, and you Hottabych is a big fan of listening to them ...
          1. Hottabych
            Hottabych 11 November 2017 00: 38 New
            +1
            You reason like a schoolboy who is hurt. This is politics and millions of lives are at stake. For thousands of years, wars began with provocations. And very often provocations were created by a third party. The last 500 years more often than England, now the relay race in the United States. Therefore, to call this decision a weakness is stupid. This is a wise decision ... And you Fedya is either a cocky little boy, or also a kind of provocateur ... I bow to the second. You really feel good about this topic. ;))))
  19. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 November 2017 12: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: seacap
    The pipe had to be smoothed less, and the snot on the cheeks should be smashed when Ukrainians with Europe slashed and put cancer on the cheeks, and they were engaged in economics in the interests of their country, and not of an overseas power, without listening to the lackeys of the Fed and the IMF such as kudrins with an excellent Yale student Nabiulin, to press the oligarchs and other bloodsucker ghouls to the nail with the condition that they either work and live in their own country, multiplying its wealth or work beyond the Urals, they clean the taiga under the rake. And now what’s sighing and whining, whether ** and money, as always, such a fate is evident with us, that whoever is at the helm and at the money or is corrupt, and now along the way, this and that together in one bottle. And which chapter you don’t choose here, it seems without the methods of the 37th year, and most importantly, Stalin and his team can’t defeat this scum, so we’ll make it clear that there is no money, the people are poor, etc. in rounds 5 and 10, the next talking head will broadcast what needs to be done and how to do it, otherwise we didn’t even know how to elect him and put him in this chair to do what he was broadcasting. blah blah blah will end. Like our 600 parasites with the salary of an oligarch, with a bunch of helpers in the Duma, for months they solve the most pressing and vital issues of the country, such as whether you can smoke at the entrance or not, and which way to go around the ring. that the country is already robbed by budgets, that the economy is medieval, and indeed, a war of destruction is being waged against our country? And they are damn, they are fighting with smoking at the entrance.

    The economy of the Middle Ages, how is it? But nothing that in 2014 the Russian economy was 5 in the world, huh? And if all goes well for several years, calmly take 6th place.
  20. Igor Goldberg
    Igor Goldberg 10 November 2017 12: 20 New
    +1
    Kapets .... the impression that the journalist and the TV host were at the meeting, sitting at the table and know what the American and Chinese were thinking ...... Damn, there are three to five people in such a yard in every yard on every bench .... Something has passed since Trump’s visit not a day, not two, and where, according to the conclusions, are breakthroughs in Sino-US relations?
    Tired of such connoisseurs of the future .......
  21. bolkodav68
    bolkodav68 10 November 2017 12: 39 New
    +3
    we have long become a gas station, only with a nuclear bomb and poor people.
    1. anpaza
      anpaza 10 November 2017 14: 40 New
      0
      I sympathize with your country - North Korea.
  22. misha48
    misha48 10 November 2017 13: 43 New
    +1
    And what's so surprising? The president of China should send a trump to hell, because he does not recognize the Crimea?)) Each president acts in the interests of his country, especially when interests are of an economic nature. It’s a little sad, of course, that in our country there is nothing to boast of except weapons.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 10 November 2017 14: 35 New
      0
      Quote: misha48
      A little sad of course that in our country there is nothing to boast of except weapons.
      Russia and China signed gas "contract of the century"
      21 May 2014
      According to Gazprom head Alexei Miller, the total value of a 30-year contract for the supply of Russian gas to China is $ 400 billion.
      Only three years ago it was, not every month that such contracts are signed ..... and the fulfillment of these contracts is calculated more than one year ...... so Trump's contract is not so awesome, just a good contract that will need to be still put into practice ...... drinks
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 10 November 2017 18: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: XXXIII
        so Trump’s contract is not so awesome, just a good contract that will need to be put into practice

        This is so, but China has now abandoned the second planned Power of Siberia branch. And it can bring down the already low price for gas of the Power of Siberia, when the Russian side brings its pipe section to the border. The terms of the “SS” contract were in jeopardy due to pressure from China on pricing, Russia made strong concessions and after falling world prices, the benefit for Russia is in great doubt. Google the topic if you're interested ...
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 10 November 2017 19: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Fedya2017
          the benefit for Russia is in great doubt.
          You’re right, but I’m talking about the fact that at the beginning the contracts are always cool (the media present it this way), but the output may be different and the profit may also be lost. After all, contracts are also adjusted, both by the buyer and the contractor ..... hi
          1. Fedya2017
            Fedya2017 10 November 2017 20: 06 New
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            Quote: XXXIII
            After all, contracts are also adjusted, both by the buyer and the contractor ....

            This is undeniably true ... The fact is that Russia approached the redistribution of the World as a raw material donor, although with nuclear missiles and other armatures. Someone would tell me in my youth that Russia would be a raw materials appendage of China (!), I would only burst out laughing ... Not even that, not an appendage - A DONOR.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 10 November 2017 21: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Fedya2017
              The fact is that Russia approached the redistribution of the World as a raw material donor, although with nuclear missiles and other armatures.
              The irony is that our country has a huge amount of mineral resources, and if we sharply cut off oxygen to neighboring countries, war cannot be avoided. We simply didn’t deal with the resource market before, but sold them under state agreements, but distributed them fraternally .... The Saudis also sell resources, but they always sold their oil on the market ....
              1. Fedya2017
                Fedya2017 10 November 2017 22: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: XXXIII
                and if we suddenly cut off oxygen to neighboring countries, war cannot be avoided.

                Neighboring countries themselves threaten to abandon our "oxygen", and switch to another. And we persuade them and offer to throw off the price ... So what does the "war cannot be avoided" then ?!
                Quote: XXXIII
                Saudis also sell resources, but they always sold their oil on the market ....

                The new heir to the king has already announced his desire to get off the oil needle and develop the most advanced technologies of the future ... This found support among the youth of the royal family. Only the old generation does not want changes in the kingdom ... Therefore, the arrests and falls of helicopters with princes began.
        2. ihappy
          ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 24 New
          0
          Oooh already telling tales.
          Nobody refuses the Power of Siberia, you deer.
          China needs it more than the Russian Federation. That damn liar.
  23. Kostya Minkin
    Kostya Minkin 10 November 2017 13: 55 New
    0
    Well and whatoooo ??? They introduce VO into our brains, about our inferiority ?! Flag in their hands! In Russia, the only allies are the army and navy + the unity of the people. We have a leader, and you won’t do anything with us!
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  25. Yeti
    Yeti 10 November 2017 17: 05 New
    0
    Why vote for no reason? And before that, they signed into trillions and nothing. China is not going to conflict with anyone. But have to. China will never refuse to buy oil for the yuan. And the Saudis will force them to sell exclusively for the yuan. And nothing to do with these agreements with the United States. And without Russia, China does not succeed in building the political component of a multipolar world. And China doesn’t see an enemy in the face of Russia in a bad dream. So for now, only those who want to drive a wedge between Russia and China are howling. And these are the representatives of the USA and the enemies of Russia. Primitively, but it is.
  26. Sergei denisen
    Sergei denisen 10 November 2017 18: 37 New
    0
    Double standarts! And to the Chinese, I would put the power of Siberia in one place!
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 10 November 2017 19: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergei Denisen
      And to the Chinese, I would

      Favorite Russian occupation, after a fight, wave fists ... "If only, yes if only ... Yes, I would ..."
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 10 November 2017 23: 58 New
        +1
        Some Fedya in this comment is a little non-Russian.
        1. ihappy
          ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 25 New
          0
          Yes, liberal. Rejoices here.
          As a jackal runs and screams, "but I said, but I said.
          Moreover, he lies and does not blush.
  27. Oleg Salov
    Oleg Salov 10 November 2017 20: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Kent0001
    Well, you, if you listen to our authorities, then life has become better, life has become more fun.

    Compared to the 90s, life has become better, but not fun.
    1. Hottabych
      Hottabych 10 November 2017 23: 55 New
      +1
      Compared to the middle of the last century, life is definitely better. And certainly more fun ...
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 11 November 2017 05: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Oleg Salov
      Compared to the 90s, life has become better, but not fun.

      This is when there is something to live for. And if you have a pension of 12, your husband has died, and you live in a private house with stove heating, cold water from the tap (it’s good !!! because it’s not an option) and cold amenities in the yard, then, of course, life becomes better ...
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 11 November 2017 08: 37 New
        0
        And you, Yuri Vasilyevich, think that a lonely old man at any other time lived better? And not in every country you will see happy lonely old people ....
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  28. Hottabych
    Hottabych 10 November 2017 23: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Fedya2017
    We are afraid to protect ourselves, our plane shot down by the Turks is evidence of this ...

    You reason like a schoolboy who is hurt. This is politics and millions of lives are at stake. For thousands of years, wars began with provocations. And very often provocations were created by a third party. The last 500 years more often than England, now the relay race in the United States. Therefore, to call this decision a weakness is stupid. This is a wise decision ... And you Fedya is either a cocky little boy, or also a kind of provocateur ... I bow to the second. You really feel good about this topic. ;)
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 11 November 2017 00: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Hottabych
      And you Fedya is either a cocky little boy, or also a kind of provocateur ... I bow to the second. You really feel good about this topic. ;)

      Yes ... "Whoever doesn’t ride is the one ... an agent of the State Department is an enemy of the people 5-6-7 column" and so on. etc ... Thinking is your holy right. Use it ...
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 11 November 2017 08: 19 New
        0
        Well, you took it high))) State Department agent! ))) So, a henchman of illegal power in Ukraine ...)
        1. Fedya2017
          Fedya2017 11 November 2017 11: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Hottabych
          henchman of illegal power in Ukraine.

          Well, of course, I did not mention Ukraine ... So I'm an agent of Kiev. according to your understanding. Russian and Russian should pray for a portrait of Putin, write urrya-patriotic slogan comments and not rock the galley ... And also rally with the oligarchs and other thieves, under the slogan - "Ripped and thieves - unite." Are you really a stupid person, or is your age already not allowing you to critically perceive reality ?!
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    2. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 11 November 2017 11: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Hottabych
      You reason like a schoolboy who is hurt. This is politics and millions of lives are at stake. For thousands of years, wars began with provocations.

      If you are afraid to give back, do not go where you fight ... That's all. Then you will not have to call your cowardice a wise decision ... You cannot fool yourself.
      1. ihappy
        ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 28 New
        +1
        Only a deer will talk about politics and compare it with a street fight.
        Boy, they don’t fight in politics.
        1. Hottabych
          Hottabych 14 November 2017 00: 01 New
          0
          Yes, this is not a boy, he is an ordinary troll provocateur ...
  29. Esoteric
    Esoteric 11 November 2017 05: 21 New
    +1
    No matter where you look in China, the Yellow River is everywhere. And more recently, Kedmi advised us to learn to respect ourselves, so that others begin to respect us. what belay what to do ??? One option remains:
  30. Andrey Andreev_2
    Andrey Andreev_2 11 November 2017 09: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Kostya Minkin
    Well and whatoooo ??? They introduce VO into our brains, about our inferiority ?! Flag in their hands! In Russia, the only allies are the army and navy + the unity of the people. We have a leader, and you won’t do anything with us!

    And "unity" is when they all sat down together and started to cry about low salaries, pensions, the vile oligarchs robbing the people ... We don’t have an army and navy, we don’t have an economy, we don’t have politics ... It’s better to turn off the Internet for a week, zombie man .. sit and think about the meaning of life, maybe then you will understand that there is NO AND WILL NOT BE A FUTURE with this "Leader" and the state!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 11 November 2017 09: 18 New
      +7
      Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
      ... think about the meaning of life, maybe then you will understand that there is NO AND WILL NOT BE THE FUTURE WITH THIS "LEADER" AND THE STATE!

      But the Turks weren’t enough here ...
  31. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 11 November 2017 09: 29 New
    0
    Compare the economies of the US and China, of course, Russia is a weak link. But Russia can afford to pursue an independent policy within a certain framework and has a military potential with which even these not weak links in the global economy are forced to reckon with.
    1. ihappy
      ihappy 12 November 2017 02: 32 New
      0
      If the Russian Federation is a weak link. What then is Japan? What about France? What about Korea? What about Vietnam? What about Brazil? And more than 180 countries.
      They then what? There are three countries in the world.
      China, USA and RF.
      That's who has independence in the world. All the rest are minions of certain countries.
      In Russia, of course, the position is weaker. But how weak this link is, I cannot understand.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 12 November 2017 18: 34 New
        0
        Quote: ihappy
        In Russia, of course, the position is weaker. But how weak this link is, I cannot understand.

        This is not for your understanding ... Your whole brain is in this phrase of yours. Hehe hehe !!!! There is nothing to be done about it, this is dementia ... Humble yourself and live with it.
  32. tezey
    tezey 11 November 2017 09: 59 New
    0
    Trade and a new redivision of the world, Russia is becoming a weak link in quotation marks. Just not a headline, but complete nonsense. China buys what the country needs and what it is profitable to buy. This is normal. The United States can supply the necessary civilian airliners to China, but we cannot, so China must wait until we develop production. That is the point. The Chinese are very pragmatic people. Business business, and politics according to the national interests of China.
  33. seacap
    seacap 11 November 2017 12: 08 New
    0
    Quote: aybolyt678
    He took loans from the same Germany when signing the Molotov Ribbentrop Act.

    You have cereal in your head from librarious notions, completely without knowledge and notion of facts, with no logical analysis ability even at the everyday level. Germany had no money at that time, after 1 MB it was stripped to the skin. And the notorious Pact, just look according to the dates when it was signed by us (2 days before the war) and by other countries, the same England and France, which Poland answered to us with a offer of help, by the way, Germany’s closest and most faithful ally at that time. So, if you try something smart to post, then please operate on facts and documents, and not speculations and notions that are crammed by our partners to justify their crimes.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 11 November 2017 13: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: seacap
      Germany had no money at that time, after 1 MB it was torn to the skin.

      I apologize for the interference ... But you also carry nonsense. Stalin took a loan from Hitler for 200 million gold marks, despite the fact that the entire gold reserve of Germany did not exceed 500 million. Of course, Hitler did not give gold, but the USSR received a lot of necessary equipment and machinery that the country did not have, but needed. It was a very good deal for the USSR ... Google this topic, very interesting. Liberasti have nothing to do with it ...
  34. P1956P1956
    P1956P1956 11 November 2017 13: 20 New
    +1
    .... ,, The Americans struck their main blow in early May. Moreover, their "southern front" very quickly managed to take control of several strategic points in the Syrian desert. It seemed like another push, and the goal will be achieved. The Russian response was elegant and deadly.
    The plan, the implementation of which the United States had been preparing for six months, collapsed ... because of the enemy's craziness.
    Meanwhile, the "tigers" of General Suheil were able to cut off the chickens all the way south in the vicinity of Tabka, and thereby completely buried the last American hope of taking control of important strategic areas on the right bank of the Euphrates ....
    US regular troops do not take part in the Syrian conflict. Funding, supplies, instructors, reconnaissance, minor attacks on selective points with missiles and the Air Force. It’s not worth it to jubilate and toss caps. Yes ISIS is retreating, but where is retreating? If in 1945 the Wehrmacht’s troops surrendered to the Americans, where did these militants retreat to the borders of the CIS? Something our rulers began to scurry around, run around the Asian republics, arrange warm friendly meetings, play hugs. What smells fried? Interest in the map published on the network, on which the lands of neighboring Russia, Uzbekistan and China were "attached" to Kazakhstan (many media outlets reprinted the map), shows that something is changing in relations between this former Soviet republic and the Russian Federation. It is noteworthy that articles on the need to switch the Kazakh language to the Latin alphabet illustrate unusually widening borders - experts assess this as a symbolic break with Russia. “It cannot be ruled out that the article by the president is a signal to both Moscow and the West. For Russia, this is a hint that it should be more compliant in matters relating to common economic interests. The uprising of the enemy of Russia, Khan Kenesary, in the middle of the XNUMXth century is described practically according to a Marxist training manual as a national liberation. “In honor of Kenesara, a monument was erected in Astana, and one of the streets bears his name”, owls, and for the West - a demonstration of loyalty and an independent position against the backdrop of worsening relations between Russia and the USA. ”Nazarbayev gave the go-ahead for the construction of the US naval base in the Caspian.
    .President of Kyrgyzstan Almazbek Atambayev signed a decree on renaming the October Revolution Day to the Day of History and Memory of the Ancestors. On November 7 and 8, the country will recall the events of 1916, when there was an uprising against the Russian Empire.
    Moldovan opposition politicians have repeatedly accused Dodon of conducting pro-Russian politics. In early October, the country's president promised President Putin not to pass anti-Russian laws. Dodon confirmed that the development of bilateral relations between Moscow and Chisinau continues “contrary to the provocations of the government and parliamentary majority” of Moldova, which is opposed to the president.
    After the Constitutional Court of Moldova made Dodon a de facto decorative president, and his signature no longer matters when approving ministers, judges and ambassadors, and is also not needed for laws to enter into force, Dodon announced the start of a campaign to hold early parliamentary elections and the country's transition to a presidential form of government.
    There is no point in recalling the policies of Ukraine and the Baltic republics regarding Russia. Why is the policy vector of the nearest neighboring republics more inclined towards the anti-Russian one? Without someone’s effort and someone’s work this cannot happen. Whose work is this? What is this all about? Ahead of the presidential elections in Russia and the World Cup. If Putin is re-elected for the next term, will we be allowed to hold such a significant event in the world as the World Cup.? Will they humiliate us once again? Such a significant event can only be prevented by large-scale military operations over a long border. To get caps and throw signs on TV telling what heroes we are? Why did he go to this ATEC Summit? To experience another rudeness from the side? Allowed to meet with trump on the run ...? What a humiliation! This is a ridiculous joint statement on Syria ... What can be good for us at these summits if we are in a humiliating blockade, in a general conspiracy against us? China, we’ve greased it, with contracts and will now squeeze us. We can get to the football championship and hold it. They will not make it so that everyone will not be up to the championship.? Well, Trump pats Putin on the shoulder - well done, a brave guy, but the Americans have not yet set a serious test for us .....
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 11 November 2017 13: 53 New
      +7
      Gossss ... Another ... just explained something like "humiliation" recourse
      Quote: P1956P1956
      What a humiliation!

      Show me where you saw the "humiliation"?
      Yes, and why did you hang this sheet of yours in three places?


      and here are three ...
      And everywhere that is characteristic
      Quote: P1956P1956
      ... the "tigers" of General Suhail were able cut off chickens all the way south ...

      Cut chickens - it's five laughing
    2. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 11 November 2017 14: 12 New
      0
      Quote: P1956P1956
      Well, Trump pats Putin on the shoulder - well done, a brave guy, but the Americans have not yet set a serious test for us .....

      +!
  35. Serzh
    Serzh 11 November 2017 16: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Fedya2017
    rather than subscribe to the defenders of Syria

    And who signed up for the defenders of Syria? We have been invited by the Syrian government to assist with expanding terrorism. Why invent?
    And Russia is doing its job brilliantly. But Syria must be protected by Syria with its laws, armed forces and other legal methods in its country.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 11 November 2017 18: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: SerEzh
      And who signed up for the defenders of Syria? We have been invited by the Syrian government to assist with expanding terrorism. Why invent?

      Enchanting !!! ... You signed up to protect a friend. And then, already on the arrow, you declare that you will beat that one, the puny one from the company of hooligans, and you are scared of those two ambuls, you don’t agree to this ... However, the words "shame" and "shame" are not understandable to everyone.
      Quote: SerEzh
      But Syria should be protected by Syria with its laws, armed forces and other legal methods in its country

      Even more enchanting !!! ... And to hell she (Syria) would, would you ask for help, if she could - herself? Ha ha hahahaha !!!!!!!!! Not, the main thing - why did you agree at all ???! To imagine yourself cool? By the way, Putin, at a meeting with Trump, came to the conclusion that - "There is no military solution to the Syrian problem" ... Then the question immediately was - why was there a war if "there is no military solution"?
  36. Veranika
    Veranika 11 November 2017 21: 18 New
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    Whether we want it or not, but China is systematically preparing for war with Russia, and these are not empty words. At this stage, the Chinese are peacefully exploring Russian border areas, they are hoping for the seizure of our lands by cunning and peacefully. And while they do it, but from love to hate is one step. America sleeps and sees how to collide a Russian bear and a Chinese dragon. In the old days, Corporal Hitler’s army was also armed against Russia. All the facts are on the face, only the blind person will not see them, or simply close all eyes. Imagine a picture; in Russia, the Chinese have bred and their number is many times higher than our population, and they can multiply! Yes, here is one problem in the event of an internal conflict, the Russian army will not be able to use weapons of mass destruction against the aggressor, as it was in 1969 over the Damansky Peninsula. More than ever, Russia needs allies and weapons capable of stopping any potential adversary. Maybe you’ll say it’s all a bluff, but one way or another, China has already attacked Russia, and we must be prepared for any situation. Today we are friends, and tomorrow we can become enemies! The East is a delicate matter, Russia's best allies are its army and navy and, of course, the preparation of the Russian army for unforeseen situations; In the event of a sudden conflict between Russia and China. Forewarned is forearmed . . .
  37. dialit2005
    dialit2005 12 November 2017 00: 25 New
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    Well, if the United States has something to sell to China, and China has something to buy from the States, and we have nothing but oil and gas, so why should the Chinese be offended?
  38. Feldscher
    Feldscher 12 November 2017 09: 21 New
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    Quote: ronin
    Have you read what all these agreements are about? The contract with Kvalk is not legally binding. LNG purchase agreement - the decision on purchased volumes will be decided in the 4th quarter of 2019 at a competitive price. 43 billion will be invested in Alaska, and 18 have already invested in Sobbet ... PR is good, but the exhaust is ....

    It is strange that the only reasonable comment is without attention hi
  39. Igor Akimov
    Igor Akimov 12 November 2017 19: 04 New
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    cunningly you f ** n the Chinese have not yet shown us!
  40. brats
    brats 13 November 2017 11: 53 New
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    A new redivision of the world: Russia is becoming a “weak link” - it is absolutely natural since the current policy of “media development” works only within a narrow time frame, which is followed by an understanding by the international community of the essence of the Jewish anti-civilization Trojan generated as Russia was generated by the Kremlin and ministries "black realtors of Russia."
  41. brats
    brats 13 November 2017 11: 54 New
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    The third generation of descendants in 1917 who jumped out of the sedentary places of the western provinces and shot Moscow and Peter on their slang called “black realtors of Russia” - the only ethnic (Jewish) group in the territory of the former USSR that was vitally interested in holding East - The European plain is in a state of "potato field according to Morgenthau", since in any other case, the Russian civilization represented by two hundred nations and nationalities historically living in these continental expanses automatically receives superhealthy genetics, which allows for a unique and honorable, difficult and responsible, divine-minded mission of conservation planetary civilization, at critical moments of paradigm transitions, reliably supporting it with its colossal, cosmic scale energy redundancy, which allows in a conceptual connection with the forces of Good, to reliably ensure the transition to a new, Cosmological paradigm.
    MEGA - Make Earth Great Association!
  42. brats
    brats 13 November 2017 12: 20 New
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    A new redivision of the world: Russia is becoming a “weak link” - it is absolutely natural since the current policy of “media development” works only within a narrow time frame, which is followed by an understanding by the international community of the essence of the Jewish anti-civilization Trojan generated as Russia was generated by the Kremlin and ministries "black realtors of Russia."
  43. Orkraider
    Orkraider 13 November 2017 23: 06 New
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    This is proved by the facts with turbines in the Crimea and the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station. We buy turbines from Siemens, because it is more expensive to restore our factory.

    Goodnight! Regarding turbines, a gas turbine is far from even 20% of the cost of a new state district power station. The main costs: capital construction, outdoor switchgear, pipelines, steam pipelines, piping of the main body of the gas complex, a chemical and water treatment complex, pumps, circuits, instrumentation and automation, pipe fittings, a steam turbine, a waste heat boiler, heating equipment, and so on. I do not mention the volume of cable products and metal products in the form of pipes, valves and metal products and inert materials. Especially when you consider that the construction takes about 3-5 years, and is carried out by our design institutes and our workers, the share of one turbine in the volume of 1 unit is not large.