Torpedo "Flurry" upgrade

The world's fastest torpedo "Squall" (250-300 kilometers per hour) will remain uncontrollable, and its maximum speed will increase, albeit slightly, said in an interview with RIA News lead torpedo developer weapons in Russia, academician Shamil Aliyev.

We remind you that the head of the corporation Tactical Missile Weapons, Boris Obnosov, recently announced the inclusion of plans to modernize the Shkval torpedo from the Soviet development into the 2018-2025 state armaments program.

Commenting on the plans to modernize the torpedo, Aliyev said that:

The speed is decent, it is an order of magnitude greater than the torpedoes that existed then and today. It is decent, it will change, but not by much

Answering the question whether it is possible to make a torpedo controlled, the academician said:

Hardly. It is not just in the water, but in the air cavity, and in the cavity it is very difficult to control the torpedo. Obnosov said that "Squall" wants to descend into the depths. The problem is in depth, not speed

At the same time, Aliyev confirmed that the main task of modernizing the torpedo "Flurry" would be the opportunity to sink to a depth of more than 100 meters, in order to hit the target

The problem is one - "Squall" can not sink to great depths. Now the maximum depth of his dive 20-25 meters. We must lower it to a depth of more than 100 meters.

- said Aliyev.

Comments

[Logall]

This article should have been laid out right after the news about the teachings of American aircraft carrier groups!
Somewhere on English sites ...

[Jedi]

What for? Even so, at the mere mention of Russia, they begin to suffer from indigestion and nervous diarrhea.

[Logall]

What do you mean why? We are called trolls, we must comply!

[210ox]

We have our own characters! Kashchei..baby Yagi ..

Quote: Logall

What do you mean why? We are called trolls, we must comply!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: 210ox

We have our own characters! Kashchei..baby Yagi ..

This is for land! For the fleet - Water, kikimory, mermaids ...
The flyers were lucky: they have the Serpent Gorynych, the triceps! Well, even Babu Yaga with her stupa can be attributed to front-line aviation ...

[Zhelezyakin]

Quote: Jedi

nervous diarrhea.

I read it, not nervous but fan! I thought it’s even better)))

[Jedi]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

I read it, not nervous but fan! I thought it’s even better)))

Very, very.

[maxim947]

A freaky thing and unique in its kind, no one has anything like it

[Logall]

In the nineties, one American spy, or a diplomat or a businessman, tried to get the blueprints of this torpedo ... Caught, planted! And they had mercy, they released ...
Guess who let go? Alkash Nikolaevich!

[maxim947]

Not surprising...((

[16112014nk]

Quote: Logall

In the nineties, one American spy, or a diplomat or a businessman, tried to get the blueprints of this torpedo ... Caught, planted! And they had mercy, they released ...
Guess who let go? Alkash Nikolaevich!

It was an Am-based businessman Edmont Pope. But they arrested him, I remember well and all the media wrote about this, in 2000. And in the same year he was pardoned and released. But it was not EBN who had mercy, but ... Guess from three times.
Hint: VVP

[NIKNN]

Quote: maxim947

A freaky thing and unique in its kind, no one has anything like it

Now, if it was also manageable ... as well

We must lower it to a depth of more than 100 meters

it’s not clear ... because then you need to aim both horizontally and vertically, which is much more difficult, since uncontrollable ...

[Vlad.by]

For firing from a submarine at a submarine. At depths, a Flurry is much more effective. I noticed the enemy and in spite to his side. Due to the high speed of the Flurry, it is almost impossible to dodge it at a depth - flight time is short (7 km Flurry will take less than 1,5 minutes), interference and traps are ineffective. A kind of Makarov pistol for submarines is a weapon of self-defense.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Vlad.by

interference and traps are ineffective.

But this is important ...

[tlauicol]

In one and a half minutes the enemy will have time to drink tea, turn away to emerge and again dive

[Vlad.by]

Well, yes, the iron pipe has several thousand tons of inertia. And water does not resist movement. One solid physics lyrics ...
Good luck drinking tea!

[tlauicol]

Thank! Me with sugar, two spoons.
And this idea is another cut on the prodigy. A homing torpedo is needed, but not this garbage in two dimensions moved

[kos2910]

Quote: Tlauicol

In one and a half minutes the enemy will have time to drink tea

You dare to check? Yes, even have a tea to drink before death ...

[tlauicol]

And you ask the submariners, will they risk taking this pepelats against the enemy submarine? And then scratch your turnips

[rruvim]

And what kind of "sucker" will let the submarine to him for 7 kilometers?

[Vlad.by]

Indeed - only suckers, not seeing each other, having rare serif-detection, eventually collide under water.
Do not believe that under water a boat can be found over 100 km. - sometimes not visible at 1 km.
And when he discovered an enemy in the immediate vicinity, the one who manages to get the enemy to the liver faster will survive.
In addition, while homing a torpedo while pointing at you there is still a chance to knock it off with traces from the towed station, traps-simulators, then there is no reception from the Flurry, like from a crowbar.
Volley of three or four Shkvalov fan ... and write letters.

[tlauicol]

While deploying the submarine, you’ll already get aboard in the immediate vicinity (not to mention the fact that a barrage against the squad is generally useless). And from a distance - yes, in 1,5 minutes the nuclear carrier will describe the circulation twice

[Maz]

Bullshit, the rocket is uncontrollable after launch. It is easy to get away from it by adding a stroke and sharply putting your nose to the right to the left or diving deeper. The only option is by wire and then it is doubtful.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: NIKNN

Now, if it was also manageable ... and so
We must lower it to a depth of more than 100 meters
it’s not clear ... because then you need to aim both horizontally and vertically, which is much more difficult, since uncontrollable ...

maybe they can make a two-phase torpedo.
the first phase is not high-speed controlled, in the second (close to the target) the transition to the mode of conventional corrected torpedoes

[Town Hall]

Quote: maxim947

A freaky thing and unique in its kind, no one has anything like it

Unique in its uselessness

[Logall]

Wow, tighten up! But I was already bored ...
If she were useless, then they did not try to steal her secrets!
The torpedo is unique! No need to calculate the speed of the vessel - where it is sailing, it was sent there ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Town Hall

Unique in its uselessness

Well, do not tell! The head (in the sense of the BZO) of VA-111 was vigorous ... So there will be no one to think about the usefulness of the case after its application, however!

[Alex777]

The question is - why is it needed?
It is not induced, it unmasks strongly, the range is small ...

[Professor]

Quote: maxim947

A freaky thing and unique in its kind, no one has anything like it

Close does not have it. The fastest in the world torpedo "Flurry" -250-300 kilometers per hour, and not the world's fastest bourgeois torpedo-rocket Barracuda only 800 km / h.

Answering the question whether it is possible to make a torpedo controlled, the academician said:
Hardly. It is not just in the water, but in the air cavity, and in the cavity it is very difficult to control the torpedo. Obnosov said that "Squall" wants to descend into the depths. The problem is in depth, not speed

Academician VO does not read, but in vain.
Barracuda is equipped with a solid propellant rocket engine, inertial navigation system, homing unit, cone-shaped swivel nose. The rocket engine provides Barracuda with an underwater speed of 800 km / h (according to the developers). A distinctive feature of the Barracuda rocket is the control according to the inertial system created using fiber-optic gyroscopes and an automatic homing system, the antenna array of which is located in a conical fairing, which also acts as a rocket steering device.
https://topwar.ru/22653-nemeckaya-torpedo-raketa-
barracuda.html

[Boa kaa]

Quote: professor

Academician VO does not read, but in vain.

The "professor" did not read intelligence reports on the weapons of a potential enemy, but in vain! Therefore, following his favorite tactics, he "modestly" is silent about the range of the Barracuda, its other "toy" TTX ...
So:

According to "unconfirmed" (read - intelligence) data, the total mass of Barracuda is 110 kg, length 2300 mm, caliber 160 mm, explosive mass 10 kg, range 1000 m at maximum speed, the total circulation time is 3,6 seconds, the circulation diameter is 120 m.

About the homing block wunderwaffles from Deutchlanda - programmed turns at a distance - not homing. Homing - this is receiving data from the target in real time and correcting the RT course in accordance with the chosen guidance method (three-point, or in the UMC) ... So, ACADEMICIAN - RIGHT !!! Barracuda does not have any connection with the external environment, there is no target location, there is no information from the carrier on fiber optics.
But!

[Professor]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The "professor" did not read intelligence reports on the weapons of a potential enemy, but in vain! Therefore, following his favorite tactics, he "modestly" is silent about the range of the Barracuda, its other "toy" TTX ...

Yeah. I, like you, do not have access to intelligence and appeal to open sources. By the way, the range of a rocket always increases with increasing amount of fuel.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

About the homing block wunderwaffles from Deutchlanda - programmed turns at a distance - not homing.

A distinctive feature of the Barracuda rocket is the control according to the inertial system created using fiber-optic gyroscopes and an automatic homing system, the antenna array of which is located in a conical fairing, which also acts as a rocket steering device.
https://topwar.ru/22653-nemeckaya-torpedo-raketa-
barracuda.html

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

So, ACADEMICIAN - RIGHTS !!! Barracuda does not have any connection with the external environment, there is no target location, there is no information from the carrier on fiber optics.

Not right ACADEMICIAN.

Answering the question whether it is possible to make a torpedo managedThe academician said:
Unlikely

But!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: professor

control according to the inertial system created using fiber-optic gyroscopes

Dear Professor! ISN is the essence of program management ... It has nothing to do with self-guidance, because after launching data on the Goal does not have ...
Horoscopes can be even laser ... even in a magnetic suspension - they have the same attitude to self-guidance as the Chukchi to ballet ...

Quote: professor

automatic homing system, whose antenna array is placed in a conical fairing

1. And what else could be a CCH? if there is no remote control from the media?
2. It can be placed even in ... But where are the sensors (or piezoceramic g / a PI) located? Ah, there are none .... "Well, tady, call me": from what does the SSN receive information about the Goal? In addition, the "conical fairing" is located in the working area of ​​the "vapor-gas" cavity in which the RT flies. The cavern is formed already at a torpedo speed of 180m / s ... Barracuda runs 380-400m / s ... But here's how it locates the Target through the 2-section of media ... it's a terra incognita !!!
Do not refuse the request: Explain, plz, how does she do it?
Best regards,
PS. Until 10 of the year, he read RD and IP on the fleets of "partners". Now, you’re right, I don’t read ... But from time to time I communicate with those who write them or read them ... on duty. So, call me ... again.

[forty-eighth]

Barracuda, if I’m not mistaken, German. It similarly creates an air cavity, has similar characteristics.

[Pinchanin]

And who told you that they did not upload it?

[Lycan]

There is no need to “lay out” anything. Let them think that with us - catapults from log boats are thrown. Why show probable. "trump cards" to the enemy?

[Vard]

As for increasing the depth ... Or maybe you don’t need to improve the ideal weapon in essence ... five kilometers per minute ... try to dodge ...

[100502]

There is no perfect weapon

[Vard]

I don’t know how to shoot torpedoes ... but I think that dodging such a torpedo is problematic ... especially if you shoot with a fan ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: 100502

There is no perfect weapon

Fantasies about annihilation weapons rave ... Or are they wrong !?

[dauria]

five kilometers per minute ... try to dodge ...

And from what distance? 13 km? Give it a try. AN / SQS-53B / C- GAS destroyer, active range 15 km. 18 km in the surface channel. 31 km with reflections from the bottom in shallow water.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: dauria

AN / SQS-53B / C- GAS destroyer, active range 15 km

But this does not guarantee the detection of submarines at 15 km. Modern naval combat is much more complicated than comparing tabular ranges. Otherwise, there would be no situations when ours surfaced in the midst of the Anglo-American PLO exercises, or found themselves after accidentally wrapping a new American towed antenna undergoing tests at an American testing ground :)))))
You can also recall how the British at the Falklands frigates and helicopters drove one single diesel submarine for a day and still could not nail it.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: dauria

AN / SQS-53B / C- GAS destroyer, active range 15 km. 18 km in the surface channel. 31 km with reflections from the bottom in shallow water.

You did not specify the type of hydrology. And from this, as they once said in Odessa, well, sooooo much depends !!!
You can listen to your screws, touching 5 type g \ l. This also happens ...

[Kerensky]

Well, against the background of autonomous sea drones, the news is good. The drone is quite capable of counting a torpedo triangle.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Kerensky

The drone is quite capable of counting a torpedo triangle.

VA-111 shoots at NMC, without preparation, the head blocks aiming errors. That is why he is good.

[Kerensky]

I'm talking about the fact that a Flurry can be hung on a drone. He has no habitable space. The evasion maneuver is easier for him. After all, the main problem during the work of the Flurry is not blunders, but the question: "What will happen to the boat afterwards?"

[Hey]

Another interesting idea appeared in torpedo armament.
A new torpedo "turtle" is being developed with a speed of about 5 km \ h. With such a speed, she is practically inaudible.

[Esoteric]

Speed ​​characteristics are reduced (V = 100m / s), for a torpedo this is very good. Why spend money on upgrading the old, if you need to create a new - homing ...

[XXXIII]

Quote: Esoteric

if you need to create

A submarine rocket, like a barrage ..... Now this will be a bomb ....

[Old military officer]

Damn yourself, I told myself. Rejoice, "partners", and think how much this corresponds to reality, if we openly discuss this.

[_Jack_]

It would be better if they increased the range.

[san4es]

... a bit of history

[Dead duck]

The speed is already decent, it is an order of magnitude greater than the torpedoes that existed then and today.

that is, in reality, it gives more 500 nodes?

[Boa kaa]

Quote from rudolf

The Germans have a similar Barracuda,

Rudolf,
The German Wunderwaffle range is smaller than ours, however!
And Iran only showed the tests, and didn’t accept it.
So, not everyone in the homeland of our “daisies” comes across forget-me-nots!

[Boa kaa]

Quote from rudolf

Is the Flurry still in service, but I don’t even remember when I last saw it as part of the ammunition on any ship.

At the time of my youth, they were taken on 2 units aboard the RPKNS as a weapon of retaliation: firing at P * at the noise of a t-dy, or breaking through the formation of PLO ships ... it was dangerous "for a career."

[Sars]

For Iranians, squalls of their own production cost about ten years already on a micro-squad like a qadir.

[mlad]

Well, the secret of the main torpedo has already been revealed and if it were super-efficient, then the African would have repeated it long ago, but it has a lot of flaws, and the Americans also consider money. the biggest disadvantages are the short range and lack of homing.

[cedar]

Quote from rudolf

Aliyev is the brother of the first president of Dagestan, chief engineer, chief designer of Dagdiesel. Cavitation is just his theme. A flurry, for 40 years now, has been armed and in its current form, is useless. Until he becomes manageable, there is little use from him. The first options were generally with special warheads. The Germans have a similar "Barracuda", the parameters are approximately the same, but, according to their claims, controlled. Iran has something similar.

And what do we know about Shkval? Only - what we were told ... But it’s written for a penny, but conclusions, conclusions, already a whole rupe ...

[rumatam]

all pipe torpedo .................

[gray]

Quote: professor

Quote: maxim947

A freaky thing and unique in its kind, no one has anything like it

Close does not have it. The fastest in the world torpedo "Flurry" -250-300 kilometers per hour, and not the world's fastest bourgeois torpedo-rocket Barracuda only 800 km / h.

Answering the question whether it is possible to make a torpedo controlled, the academician said:
Hardly. It is not just in the water, but in the air cavity, and in the cavity it is very difficult to control the torpedo. Obnosov said that "Squall" wants to descend into the depths. The problem is in depth, not speed

Academician VO does not read, but in vain.
Barracuda is equipped with a solid propellant rocket engine, inertial navigation system, homing unit, cone-shaped swivel nose. The rocket engine provides Barracuda with an underwater speed of 800 km / h (according to the developers). A distinctive feature of the Barracuda rocket is the control according to the inertial system created using fiber-optic gyroscopes and an automatic homing system, the antenna array of which is located in a conical fairing, which also acts as a rocket steering device.
https://topwar.ru/22653-nemeckaya-torpedo-raketa-
barracuda.html

Hello. I looked for topics on Barracuda, I found not such outstanding performance characteristics about which you write. The maximum speed is up to 400 km / h (depending on the density of water). Due to the huge speed (200 knots), the torpedo produces a lot of noise and vibration, which unmasks the submarine . The short launch range unmasks the submarine, which negatively affects survivability. The maximum depth of travel does not allow hitting submarines at great depths. The specific impulse of a ramjet engine is 2,5-3 times higher than that of known rocket engines, which can cause damage to the submarine sonar. According to German sources, it is manageable. If it’s not difficult to share the link. Besides VO, are there any other references to such performance characteristics.

[Professor]

Quote: gray

If not difficult to share the link.

The link no longer works:
http://survincity.com/2013/04/german-torpedo-miss
ile-barracuda /

[Incvizitor]

is it possible to make a dashboard controlled

So for me she needs this to be the best.

[rruvim]

Range and controllability! Unlike air defense, in unwanted layers of fiber, unwinding fiber optic cable is not a “hindrance”.
The main silence of the torpedo engine and submarine. In the last meters, “homing” is not important active or passive. In any case, the torpedo should be “escorted” to the “end” on the CPU submarine. But the “Flurry” - it surrendered “itself” and surrendered “itself” 100% (all the “participants” have anti-torpedoes now advanced), if the submarines were allowed to go to the anti-aircraft defense line.

[forty-eighth]

There was already an article on the VO comparing the Flurry and, if I am not mistaken, the Whale withdrawn from service. So there the Flaws flaws were fairly reasonably described, which are enough to start a conversation about the appropriateness of this type of submarine armament.

[Maz]

Quote: maxim947

A freaky thing and unique in its kind, no one has anything like it

The Germans have called "barracuda".

[Eflintuk]

Our development of torpedo weapons has stopped, if not 50, then not much less than years ago. Therefore, shaking with this uncontrollable, and therefore useless and therefore no-one copied "flurry" is not even ridiculous. And what is unfortunate, all of these widely spread right now boreas, ash and other black holes, in fact, have no actual means of anti-submarine weapons, i.e. virtually defenseless. For starters for a snack:

At present, the state of the domestic marine underwater weapons (MPO) is one of the main problems of the Russian Navy. At the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, there was a significant lag in the samples of the MPO of the USSR Navy from analogues available in the naval forces of developed foreign countries (more noticeable than for other types / samples of the USSR Armed Forces). In subsequent years, it became even more significant.

First of all, I would like to consider the most serious shortcomings of the torpedo and anti-submarine weapons (PLO) of the Russian Navy:
- small (much less than western) firing ranges;
- In fact, the lack of effective remote control of torpedoes;
- imperfection of the homing system (CCH), the use as an anti-ship channel CCH with vertical location of the wake trace;
- limited service life (significantly shorter than that of IGOs ​​of developed foreign countries);
- large dimensions and weights;
- limited ammunition for anti-submarine weapons on surface ships (NK);
- high price

[gray]

Quote: professor

http://survincity.com/2013/04/german-torpedo-miss
ile-barracuda /

Hello. This is the original article translated and posted on VO. I apologize, but I asked for other sources. I have not found except the wiki, and there are quite modest TTX and the data is already outdated.

[2534M]

Quote from rudolf

Aliyev is the brother of the first president of Dagestan, chief engineer, chief designer of Dagdiesel. Cavitation is just his theme.

Aliev is a pea buffoon, he was never the "chief engineer" and "chief designer" of anything real at the Dagdiesel, and of course he has NO relation to the SPR.
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1321&a
mp; p = 11 # p986346
It’s just the grandfather who has screwed up (who accidentally turned out to be the brother of the president of Dagestan Aliyev)

[2534M]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

aboard rpksn

given the restrictions on the launch of the “Flurry” for the rpk SN, it was BALLAST, more precisely, even worse - minus 2 TA

[2534M]

Quote: SarS

type of squash squalls of own production

don't bullshit hurt her
and then compare the photo of their SPR and "Flurry-E" :)))

[Skifotavr]

The problem is one - "Squall" can not sink to great depths. Now the maximum depth of his dive 20-25 meters. We must lower it to a depth of more than 100 meters.
- said Aliyev.

There were rumors that she was also going to increase her range, since she had very little of the existing one.

[Skifotavr]

After reading the comments, I wanted to insert my five kopecks into the debate about the expediency of this weapon: in non-nuclear equipment, the effectiveness of the existing Flurry is really doubtful, but in nuclear equipment it leaves the enemy submarines no chance of salvation. Simply put, this is an ideal naval weapon in the event of a nuclear war - it is guaranteed to destroy multipurpose and, most importantly, strategic submarines, missile carriers of the United States, Britain and France (like I didn’t forget any of my favorite partners ).