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European Commission: We will continue to support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine

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The European Commission has published material in which it is stated that it will take measures to connect all gas pipelines passing through the territory of the EU, under European standards. First of all, we are talking about compliance with the so-called 3-th energy package, which implies the need for competitive supplies.


The published material stated that Brussels "will always support the transit of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine."

European Commission: We will continue to support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine


The statement contains comments on the project of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline:
Gas imports to the EU will remain stable until 2030, due to optimization of domestic fuel consumption. Given that the EU has created the necessary infrastructure for the supply of gas, including the supply of liquefied natural gas (LNG), we consider the Nord Stream-2 project a pointless prospect.


The same material states that this does not negate the possibility of the EC to negotiate with Russia to create a legal framework for the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. The Russian Foreign Ministry said that the attempts of the European Commission to obtain on behalf of the whole EU the right to negotiate the Nord Stream-2 are groundless.

Indeed, where does the EC get such zeal for negotiations, if the EC itself declares that the SP-2 is “hopeless”?

Earlier, international analytical agencies published a report stating that gas consumption up to the 2040 year (the year beyond which no forecasts were made) will grow, including Europe.
Photos used:
http://www.gazprom.ru
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 9 November 2017 06: 16
    16
    Support, not against But an empty pipe! By the way, the closer the end date of the transit, the more moaning and hysteria. By the way, Gazprom is ready to go on saving transit. Under certain conditions. But exposing the conditions to cheaters and scammers is hopeless. And yet. The new gas pipeline seems pointless to small players (mongrels), BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO IT. And Germany, for one, is just right!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 9 November 2017 06: 31
      +6
      1 January 2020 year ends an agreement with Ukraine for the supply of gas from Russia to Europe. By this time, the Turkish Stream will be launched. And JV-2 has not been stopped by construction yet.
      1. dSK
        dSK 9 November 2017 08: 39
        +3
        Christian Europe is ruled by the Jews of the "Rothschilds" and others like them. Very smart and tricky. “Let’s allow the construction of gas pipelines if you give us the profit from transit.” What are Kolya’s previous proposals to Putin “to build a partner market from Lisbon to Vladivostok?”
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 10 November 2017 16: 01
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          Christian Europe is ruled by the Jews of the "Rothschilds" and others like them.

          Soros refuel there thoroughly, soooooooooooooooooooossss !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing

          Thanks to the long-standing enemy of the scandalous billionaire - Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban - the Soros list has finally become public. On this list are deputies of the European Parliament who are lobbying for the financier’s projects and are changing EU legislation from its submission. A special point in the dossier on them is the attitude to Russia. It depends on him whether they are friends of Soros or enemies.

          This is a voluminous document that collects information about 226 members of the European Parliament, which are ideological allies of the Open Society. They are supposed to be attracted to promote Soros’s favorite ideas - settling Europe in migrants, ensuring “gender equality”, legalizing same-sex marriages, rapprochement of Ukraine with the EU and, of course, Russia's opposition.

          https://vz.ru/world/2017/11/3/893647.html
      2. Vend
        Vend 9 November 2017 10: 31
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        1 January 2020 year ends an agreement with Ukraine for the supply of gas from Russia to Europe. By this time, the Turkish Stream will be launched. And JV-2 has not been stopped by construction yet.

        And not 2019 year, this circus will end?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 9 November 2017 11: 11
          +3
          Quote: Wend
          And not 2019 year, this circus will end?

          December 31, 2019 - the last day of the contract.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 November 2017 06: 22
    +4
    We consider the Nord Stream-2 project a pointless prospect.

    To leave these figures without gas for a couple of months in the winter (of course, not really because of the concluded agreements) and see how after that they will unanimously “support” Ukraine. Most of all muddied by the Baltic states. Their countries are hard to find on the map, and the stench of them all over the world.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 November 2017 06: 26
      +1
      I agree with you ... But will those on whom these deliveries agree..On our hands of leaders. Which, judging by the recent actions (inaction), the Western sanctions really took for Faberge ...
      Quote: rotmistr60
      We consider the Nord Stream-2 project a pointless prospect.

      To leave these figures without gas for a couple of months in the winter (of course, not really because of the concluded agreements) and see how after that they will unanimously “support” Ukraine. Most of all muddied by the Baltic states. Their countries are hard to find on the map, and the stench of them all over the world.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 November 2017 10: 17
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Most of all muddied by the Baltic states. It’s hard to find their countries on the map, and stink them all over the world

      But they’re executive: they gave the team from behind the puddle - and they get stuck.
      They quickly adopted a “short historical memory” from the West - Latvia must remember exactly how the pipe was turned off for Ventspils: it clicked and a quarter of the budget evaporated ..
  3. Eurodav
    Eurodav 9 November 2017 06: 23
    +6
    Quote: 210ox
    Support, not against But an empty pipe! By the way, the closer the end date of the transit, the more moaning and hysteria. By the way, Gazprom is ready to go on saving transit. Under certain conditions. But exposing the conditions to cheaters and scammers is hopeless. And yet. The new gas pipeline seems pointless to small players (mongrels), BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO IT. And Germany, for one, is just right!

    I think EuroMiller will take a step for them, even to the detriment of Russia ...
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 9 November 2017 06: 26
      10
      This would be a matter of course, because our liberties have a worship of Europe at the genetic level! !!!
    2. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 9 November 2017 06: 41
      +1
      Quote: Evrodav
      I think EuroMiller will take a step for them, even to the detriment of Russia ...

      So the European Commissioners think so. And imagine-suddenly on this issue Russia will respond adequately to its interests :)
    3. ARES623
      ARES623 9 November 2017 18: 25
      0
      Quote: Evrodav
      I think EuroMiller will take a step for them, even to the detriment of Russia ...

      Gazprom has obligations to European consumers, the failure to fulfill which entails major penalties. While transit risks are wholly borne by Gazprom. If not for this, the EU would not be so bold. The behavior of the EC in this case is nothing more than a particular manifestation of consumer extremism. To discuss the subtleties of the topic, one must be familiar with the terms of gas supply agreements. And then ... some kind of dense collective farm ....
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 9 November 2017 06: 25
    +6
    The published material stated that Brussels "will always support the transit of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine."

    But are not such actions an interference in the internal affairs of Russia? That’s how I regard the attempts to force our country to sell our gas according to the rules established by Brussels bureaucrats. European countries have long surrendered their sovereignty to their greedy little hands. Now they are trying to get to Russia by quiet glanders.
  5. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 9 November 2017 06: 25
    +4
    A couple of years of reforms in the country and the great transport power with its GTS, twist them such a fig that in the end they themselves will build this northern stream)))
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 November 2017 06: 27
    +2
    Nord Stream 2 is a near-economic death. "Opal" already "canned" - reluctance to freeze ...
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 9 November 2017 06: 46
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Nord Stream 2 is a near-economic death.

      Come on. They will have sunflower, corn and wheat. Just instead of a great transit power, Ukraine will become a great sunflower power.
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 9 November 2017 06: 30
    11
    That's when we will build not for Europe, but for the interests of the people of Russia, for whom two things are important now: 1-total gasification of our country, in the shortest possible time! !! 2-Pipeline through ukroinu need to be excluded from our priorities, supplying gas to Europe to bypass ukroiny! !! fool
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 9 November 2017 09: 28
      0
      But when did they do it, the interests of the people? Do not rock the boat!
  8. evil partisan
    evil partisan 9 November 2017 06: 44
    +3
    Germany actually already yesterday sent the EC on foot erotic journey about the "SP-2", calling it a purely commercial project. Yes and more. And will the Ukrainian EC GTS itself also be repaired? I'll give you a hole in a hole!
    1. askort154
      askort154 9 November 2017 08: 14
      +1
      angry partisan ... Yes and more. And will the Ukrainian EC GTS itself also be repaired? I'll give you a hole in a hole!

      Yeah. Depreciation 80% (2015). Since 1991 repair and maintenance work has not been carried out.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 9 November 2017 10: 42
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        Since 1991, repair and maintenance work has not been carried out.

        I'm in December 2013 was on a business trip to Naftagaz, in the Sumy health institution, defects were examined. The overall impression is poverty. To remove 8 pipes, they could not find 8 tons of solariums. They also threw us at the grandmother. They did not pay about 90 million rubles in 2013 prices ... But the pipes there are really bad. How it is not clapping is a mystery to me ...
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 9 November 2017 18: 30
          0
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          I'm in December 2013 was on a business trip to Naftagaz, in the Sumy health institution, defects were examined.

          And in more detail about the state of the Ukrainian GTS is possible? Very interesting is the opinion of a specialist "from the topic." With a living example. Maybe some photos are for clarity?
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan 9 November 2017 23: 17
            +2
            Quote: ARES623
            And in more detail about the state of the Ukrainian GTS is possible?

            According to the very same Naftogazovtsev. As early as 2013, up to 50-60% of gas compressor units required urgent replacement. The linear part (the pipes themselves) is extremely rarely repaired - when there is nowhere to run ... VTD (in-line diagnostics) is carried out irregularly and not in full. Many companies conducting VTD refuse to work with hahly under any plausible pretexts. I don’t know how things are now, but in 2013, for example, ROSEN refused to cooperate with them. And they have a lot of pipes. The situation is somewhat saved by the absence of fatigue cracks in Ukraine (the so-called “stress corrosion cracking” -KRN) in bulk. But other defects do not disappear! For example - the most popular of them is "corrosion". And defects live their own lives, develop ...
            But even this is not the most important thing. The main thing is the incredible poverty of hospitals that directly service the pipe and the lack of a built-in system for diagnosing and repairing the linear part. For overhauls and re-insulation they stupidly have no money. The GTS of Ukraine, according to my concepts, is a huge bomb, not so deeply buried in the ground, the length from the eastern border of Ukraine to its western border. Mass incidents involving gaps are only a matter of time.
            In Gazprom, for example, on every section of the gas transport and fuel injection engine, it is carried out once every 1-3 years without fail + there are extraordinary passes associated with all sorts of circumstances ... And the repairs of the linear part are ongoing. Pipes do not regret it. Not even enough ...
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 10 November 2017 10: 54
              0
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              As early as 2013, up to 50-60% of gas compressor units required urgent replacement

              Thank you very much for your responsiveness. In your opinion, with the current system of operation of the hydraulic system, how much longer will it be in working condition? When, tentatively, can one expect mass outbursts and a vivid demonstration of the inability of the GTS to perform its function according to its technical condition? That is, when will it become obvious to the European Commission and the end user in Europe? Thanks in advance...
              1. evil partisan
                evil partisan 10 November 2017 11: 05
                +2
                Quote: ARES623
                When, roughly, you can expect massive gusts

                If nothing is done urgently, then after 10 years, pipe-pipe. Each explosion "stirs" the entire system in a given area and provokes the development of defects that were in a stable state. For example, welding defects and fatigue cracks.
                And breaks at hahlov occur regularly right now. True, on the Naftogaz website you will not know anything about them - they have been hiding statistics for some time. If only near some sort of settlement it explodes, then we will learn from ukroSMI. I know that last year, on the border with Slovakia, it did not explode. There is still a problem in the lack of pipes and valves due to the huge variety of diameters used. This is all from the words of the Naftagaz residents themselves. I don’t think it has become better in 4 years.
                1. ARES623
                  ARES623 10 November 2017 18: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                  years through 10 pipe-pipe

                  Thank you wink
  9. inkass_98
    inkass_98 9 November 2017 06: 51
    +1
    But statistics say the opposite - Europe’s gas consumption is only growing. Someone has the wrong scores.
  10. SOF
    SOF 9 November 2017 06: 55
    +3
    ... yes easy, let them support. They buy our gas on our border and .... forward, to a brighter future, through the expanses of independence. How much gas, in the end, will they receive at the outlet and how much maydanutym will send for transit - their "allied" problems.
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov 9 November 2017 07: 31
      +3
      Then Ukraine will have to sell the gas transmission system to geyropa. And in (on) Ukraine they won’t do this, the trough is still that. It is easier for them to snatch as much as possible before the kirdyk of the Ukrainian GTS has come.
  11. PValery53
    PValery53 9 November 2017 07: 49
    0
    "The European Commission: We will continue to support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine"
    - No, well, you think! The EC (European Commission) has an attempt to dispose of Russian gas! What audacity! - Do not want our gas in the Nordstream - suck on a paw (or something else)!
  12. Altona
    Altona 9 November 2017 07: 56
    +1
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    Germany actually already yesterday sent the EC on foot erotic journey about the "SP-2", calling it a purely commercial project. Yes and more. And will the Ukrainian EC GTS itself also be repaired? I'll give you a hole in a hole!

    ---------------------------
    Germany is right. But the European Commission and other "international" structures are engaged in the politicization of everything and everyone, just to annoy Russia. It doesn't matter if it's a pipeline or an Olympic Games.
  13. MIG00001
    MIG00001 9 November 2017 08: 18
    +2
    Well, since they don’t understand for good, they need to sabotage (blow up the pipe) at the right time in Ukraine, everything is exactly the same, they dump everything on us, but here at least it’s waking up, there’s a lot of those who hate power
  14. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 9 November 2017 08: 47
    0
    What about the EC? Did anyone ever ask them? They are trying to jump on the bandwagon of the tram without buying a ticket, but the Germans have already said their word))))))
  15. Romanenko
    Romanenko 9 November 2017 09: 21
    0
    Quote: Brussels “will always support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine”
    It didn’t last long - the transit contract ends in 2018, and no one is going to renew it.
    Maintain on health, only your "always" will pull for a couple of months
  16. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 9 November 2017 09: 33
    +2
    For some reason, Europe reminds me of an old, shabby, drunk slut ... that everyone has, but it is trying to build something out of itself and put a price on it ... But the future does not bode well.
  17. Sergey53
    Sergey53 9 November 2017 09: 46
    0
    Every freebie wants a fuck for free. So that we build and they dispose.
  18. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 9 November 2017 09: 54
    0
    It's a shame our gas, and we are also dictated by the conditions for how to transport it. And if you think for a second, go on the principle and turn the valve ???? Yes, even in winter ....... Under the USSR, especially under Stalin, it is difficult to imagine such a situation. They would say so! And the point! And the “partners” would not have gone anywhere.
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 9 November 2017 10: 31
    +1
    Let the Ukrainian GTS be supported, what are the issues. But at his own expense. It will be possible to take Russian gas from Germany. We do not mind.
    In general, if we talk about the European Commission itself, then its powers cannot extend to projects outside the EU. SP-2 passes by all the territorial waters of the EU countries, and a private pipe of a German company will go on land.
  20. turbris
    turbris 9 November 2017 11: 13
    0
    Let Europe decide for itself whether they need Nord Stream-2 or not, but Russia must categorically confirm the cessation of gas supply through Ukraine after 2019, so far some timid statements. Of course, it’s clear that there is an undercover struggle, but one must be prepared for the fact that this will have to be done without a new gas pipeline. I think that now from our "well-wishers" the phrase "Putin is to blame for everything" will appear on the site.
  21. private person
    private person 9 November 2017 11: 39
    0
    Well, right now, Russia feeds (pays for transit) and warms (don’t say gas is stolen) Ukrainians and then the EU will have to if transit through hohland is covered. But something tells me ours will not refuse transit, "because there are brotherly people."
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 November 2017 13: 38
    0
    Pffff. They don’t want the SP-2, let our liquefied gas be carried by American gas carriers.
    We are not proud people in this regard.
  23. RECORHE
    RECORHE 9 November 2017 14: 22
    +1
    They reel in horror to force Russia to maintain a kennel with its jackal. Not to the lodge, but figs to you!
  24. Nemesis
    Nemesis 9 November 2017 20: 48
    +1
    Russia should make it clear to the EU that gas will be supplied either bypassing Ukraine or will cease supply altogether. The EU does not want to pay for Russian gas on meters on the border of the Russian Federation with Ukraine, and Russia is not obliged to supply gas to Kiev thieves for free.
  25. Selin Andrey
    Selin Andrey 10 November 2017 15: 49
    0
    It seems to me that a long time has come to switch to "short" contracts. I don’t understand the very statement of the question - “we will support”. Yes, support anything. There is a seller, there is a buyer. Do not like it - do not take it. What problems?
  26. demo
    demo 10 November 2017 16: 02
    +1
    Who would doubt that.
    The only question is what methods and at whose expense is the banquet?
    And in general: to promise is not to marry.