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Break of diplomatic relations with Ukraine: maybe it will be better?

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In the Rada today all day was noisy and restless. But now it’s not even about who proposed to break off diplomatic relations with Russia: the “Dill” party, the “National Front” or the Poroshenko bloc.




The fact is that, according to preliminary polls, the majority in the Rada are ready to vote for the amendment.

“In the law on the reintegration of Donbass, which should be considered by the Rada in the second reading, Russia will be recognized as an aggressor country - I hope the votes will be accumulated. And to maintain after this diplomatic relations - this will already be a crime on the part of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry. This relationship is already broken. There are no ambassadors, diplomats of the first rank work in the embassies. We need to fix this gap at the legislative level, ”the author of the amendment Ivan Vinnik explained his motives in an interview with Kommersant.

Of course, supporting the gap with Russia is like a test of patriotism. If today in the Parliament they say that it is necessary to vote, despite the fact that a month ago, the special representative from the United States, Volker, demanded something different, most likely they would vote.

In the end, it is their right.

Another question: what next? Maybe, really, a fat point in relations with Ukraine will benefit the Ukrainians?

We have a very strange relationship with 2014: the aggressor country (Russia) really feeds the conquered country or with which the war allegedly goes on. Gas, coal, electricity.

Few people in Russia are aware that the electricity generated in Ukraine is not needed for anybody. And this is an important nuance in the Ukrainian budget. Only after having “cleared” and stabilized in our northern networks, is it at least something suitable.

Well, plus a huge cash flow from migrant workers.

We have already written so many times on this topic that we have drunk the teeth on edge. Let's see what happens next.

The rupture of diplomatic relations is a serious step, which implies a complication or even a complete cessation of economic, political and other cooperation between states. The embassy and consulate with its full complement responds from the country, although we already have order with it.

Farther?

Further, as I understand it, it is not necessary to declare war. But what about the presence in the territory of one country of representatives of a hostile state?

If Ukraine breaks diplomatic relations, then maybe it makes sense to temporarily put aside the tale of the "brotherly people" in a distant closet?

4 million Ukrainians on official earnings and half a million illegal immigrants - home.

Gas-oil producers, furniture makers, car mechanics - home. Everything. Here they have nothing more to do, this is the territory of a hostile state. The aggressor state.

Visa mode ... Why not? Yes, the border is unrealistic to close. Ukraine and Belarus have about the same condition along the border as Belarus and Russia. And Lukashenko is unlikely to close his own for us, it is unprofitable for him.

To build a barrier on the Russian-Belarusian border is quickly impossible. But there is a way out. Airplanes between Russia and Ukraine do not fly, only trains and buses remain. With them easier. As well as with cars.

Stop selling tickets, carry out verification of documents in the border cities. For violation, do not imprison, but fine them in such a way that it does not seem enough and deport them back immediately. Do not recruit and fine those who will take illegal immigrants so that the very thought of it seems seditious.

Hemorrhoids a lot. But there are benefits. Especially for Russians who dream of working in the oil industry and who are rejected because it is more profitable to take Ukrainians who simply can pay less.

But the main benefit, in my opinion, will be the Ukrainians themselves. After a while this social experiment will lead them to the Rada.

Thanks to the publications of my colleague Okoloradsky, I was able to make an unequivocal conclusion that the people of Kiev did not support mishmaydan simply because they paid very little there.

Maidan, which for money, does not end with anything good.

That's when the money earned in Russia will end, and, alas, there will be no new ones, and then, perhaps, it will come to the Ukrainians that this power will only lead them to the pit.

And then they will go to demand from the authorities. Not for those 250 hryvnias that they will be paid for shouts under the Rada, but for those rubles that they have been taken away from. Even so.

4,5 million is a lot. If you add more families, there will be even more. Even if the dissatisfaction goes to express 1 from 10 - it will not be Maidan. Maidanische.

Perhaps this is the only option, after which that “fraternal” Ukraine will finally understand that it’s enough just to go on social networks for Poroshenko and go to tell him in person what they are saying now on micro-Maidan (albeit for money)?

In the end, all this mess lasts for three years. We must either finish, or ... Either finish with the theory of the "fraternal Ukrainian people."

What are these brothers? Working with the aggressor, pouring millions into the country's economy, and thereby encouraging the killing of our real brothers in the Donbas?

Yes, the introduction of a visa regime for Ukrainians and the expulsion of millions of "workers in the underground" back home will deal a terrible blow to the remnants of the Ukrainian economy.

But - less money - less opportunity for executioners on the border with the Donbas. Less fuel, cartridges, shells, warm clothes and nutritious grub for the LDNR population killers.

Good input. Probably the best help we can globally give to Donbass. How can the APU and terbaty fight on an empty belly, we already know. And greet desertion.

If the “brothers” in Ukraine have only one god, the hryvnia, to deprive it is a good idea. Maybe this is how, instead of “my hut on the edge,” something like the realization that they are still people will wake up. And for a man money is not always more important than some properties of an organism such as pride and self-awareness.

Here we would support such Maidan with all our heart. Not for Russia, not for Russian rubles, for a normal fraternal Ukraine.

If not - well, why then such brothers?
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  1. svp67
    svp67 9 November 2017 07: 19 New
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    Break of diplomatic relations with Ukraine: maybe it will be better?
    Yes .. And this will be the end of their “loop” tactics and the next step is war. We need to be prepared, and completely for such a development of events.
    If the “brothers” in Ukraine have only one god - the hryvnia, to deprive him is a good idea
    Hryvnia? Yeah. Dollar and Euro, here is their true God now. So you have to fight them
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 9 November 2017 07: 24 New
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      Break of diplomatic relations with Ukraine: maybe it will be better?
      it will not be worse, at least to us.
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 November 2017 07: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Dead Day
        it will not be worse, at least to us.

        Real war ... that's what they will start.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 9 November 2017 07: 47 New
          +8
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Dead Day
          it will not be worse, at least to us.

          Real war ... that's what they will start.

          I do not think so. Okay, they shoot themselves in the leg, but in the head ... it’s unlikely that the whole meaning of “independence” will disappear.
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 9 November 2017 08: 39 New
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          The real war ...

          Well, this is unlikely, only provocation and a cult of hatred.
        3. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 17: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          Real war ... that's what they will start.

          and they will sign the death sentence to all of their incomplete !!!
        4. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 9 November 2017 18: 06 New
          +8
          drift. Khohly are searching for an invisible Russian army in the Donbass and there it is famously "smashed" Why do not they attack the Crimea? so there is definitely the Russian Army there. and the United States won’t pay for it, hi crying
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 November 2017 10: 35 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        it will not be worse, at least to us.

        It will be worse for those Ukrainians who work on the territory of the Russian Federation. And there are about two million of them.
      3. Mikhail Zubkov
        Mikhail Zubkov 9 November 2017 17: 49 New
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        We will be calmer. The Russians will leave for Russia on time, several thousand business people who still work there on public and private lines (not only in the embassy and consulates) - and their families. Several thousand mishandled Ukrainian workers and their families will be removed from the Russian Federation. The buildings of our representative offices will be mothballed and handed over to the Swiss (only not to their close neighbors, to spit on them ukronatsik) under supervision not in a hurry of evacuation (I hope) - well, and then, as during Peter the Great, there will be the Battle of Poltava, in which the Don Cossacks were very revealing Poltava, and many Zaporozhye pulled from the Dnieper to the Khan's Crimea to write loyal letters to the Turkish Sultan. Soon, however, after praying and returning to mind, they wrote a penitential petition to Moscow and killed (or expelled) their vile pro-Westerners. At 300 years after which they pretended to be brothers. Repeat the loop?
        1. captain
          captain 12 November 2017 12: 16 New
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          Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
          We will be calmer. The Russians will leave for Russia on time, several thousand business people who still work there on public and private lines (not only in the embassy and consulates) - and their families. Several thousand mishandled Ukrainian workers and their families will be removed from the Russian Federation. The buildings of our representative offices will be mothballed and handed over to the Swiss (only not to their close neighbors, to spit on them ukronatsik) under supervision not in a hurry of evacuation (I hope) - well, and then, as during Peter the Great, there will be the Battle of Poltava, in which the Don Cossacks were very revealing Poltava, and many Zaporozhye pulled from the Dnieper to the Khan's Crimea to write loyal letters to the Turkish Sultan. Soon, however, after praying and returning to mind, they wrote a penitential petition to Moscow and killed (or expelled) their vile pro-Westerners. At 300 years after which they pretended to be brothers. Repeat the loop?

          Thank you for your kind word about the Don Cossacks.
        2. ver_
          ver_ 13 November 2017 04: 16 New
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          ... these forelocks are being merged into the country of maple leaf - the hats have been laid there for a long time and the Russophobes bro are there ..
    2. Dimka75
      Dimka75 9 November 2017 07: 39 New
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      Of course, supporting a break with Russia is like a test of patriotism.

      this will be the end of their "loop" tactics and the next step is war. We need to be prepared, and completely for such a development of events.

      and Poroshenko against, do not worry, nothing will change
      1. your1970
        your1970 9 November 2017 08: 38 New
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        "carry out document checks in border cities. Do not imprison, but fine for violation so that it doesn’t seem too much and deport immediately back." - just plant for long periods: illegal entry through the border of the Russian Federation from the side of a hostile state. It is only necessary that they do not just sit, but work ...
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 9 November 2017 18: 09 New
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          we can’t provide our ZK with work, and if we add foreign ones, unemployment will be in the zones. Deporting due to deportees is the most correct decision.
      2. Massimo
        Massimo 9 November 2017 11: 47 New
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        Of course, it’s against, it’ll be a new Maidan, tanks can fill.
    3. 97110
      97110 9 November 2017 18: 29 New
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      Quote: svp67
      the next step is war. We need to be ready, and completely

      The question arose on the harmful machine: "And when was Russia ready, and completely?" And immediately the answer: "And 08.08.08?" I hope that they will trample. We must now beat the brothers, until they "escalibur" threw at the expense of 30 pieces of silver. And then my homeownership 155 mm shell will not stand.
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 9 November 2017 23: 51 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Hryvnia? Yeah. Dollar and Euro, here is their true God now. So you have to fight them

      Oddly enough, but the hryvnia! 8 hryvnia per dollar under Yanukovych))) 28 under Poroshenko! Soon they will howl - "Vitka come back the infection, we'll forgive everything!" laughing
      1. ASDik37
        ASDik37 10 November 2017 08: 49 New
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        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Oddly enough, but the hryvnia! 8 hryvnia per dollar under Yanukovych))) 28 under Poroshenko! Soon they will howl - "Vitka come back the infection, we'll forgive everything!"

        Will not. Get used to it if you’re not used to it yet. We have the 98th year, remember when $ jumped from 6 to 28 by 2000, and most recently from 30 to 60 ...
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 November 2017 09: 05 New
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          Quote: ASDik37
          and most recently from 30 to 60 ...

          One of the criteria for assessing the life of the population is the annual amount of bread consumed in the state. The production of bread did not decrease, moreover, it was 28-32 as it was, and approximately remained in this price range, despite the jump in the dollar exchange rate from 30 to 60. By the way, pay attention to the fact that despite the price "swing" by oil, recently they have practically no effect on fluctuations of the ruble exchange rate, which speaks in favor of the fact that the exchange rate is artificially maintained and beneficial to the government.
          1. captain
            captain 12 November 2017 12: 20 New
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            Dear author. I agree with you in many ways. But there is a nuance, and who will replace these 4 million people with us? Chinese? Uzbeks ?, Kyrgyz? or someone else. I think our president Putin will achieve his goal and return our lands (Southeast of modern Ukraine) to the fold of Russia, without expelling the Ukrainians.
            1. ver_
              ver_ 13 November 2017 04: 23 New
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              ... if we had a ban on accepting foreigners to work in the housing and communal services system - there would be less theft - this category is good * is welded * the leadership of this system ..
  2. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 9 November 2017 07: 25 New
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    It was necessary for a long time already to drive the Ukrainian Gaster from Russia — let them go to earn money in their beloved Poland, Canada, the USA, other EU countries or let them deal with those whom they put on their neck in Kiev. And they work in Russia and quietly whisper in the corners about how soon they will feel good in Ukraine, when the USA and the EU will drive the Russians out of Donbass and put things in order everywhere ....
  3. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 9 November 2017 08: 28 New
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    maybe it makes sense to temporarily put aside the tale of the "brotherly people" in a distant closet?

    It is high time!!!
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 9 November 2017 23: 58 New
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      Quote: sxfRipper
      maybe it makes sense to temporarily put aside the tale of the "brotherly people" in a distant closet?

      It is high time!!!

      They, as they were underperformances, will remain so. And after that, heaped up in LDNR and in relations with the Russian Federation and even more so. For a couple of three generations they will remember it, which, however, will not change their corrupt nature. Silen for a while, in order to then again appear purulent abscess. Zapadenshchina to the West, and what remains - to accept the regions. There should not be any urkaina as a subject of international law, since historically this is an artificial territorial entity, which appeared only thanks to the good will of those whom they elevated to the status of an enemy.
    2. ver_
      ver_ 13 November 2017 04: 31 New
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      ... you might think that your neighbor on the porch is your friend, comrade and brother - you may not see your neighbors for years ...- we don’t live in villages - there’s no well and * word of mouth * when all the gossip was spread by women instantly ..
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 9 November 2017 08: 30 New
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    In Rada today all day was noisy and restless.


    Yeah ... the doctor from ward number 6 is the day off .. especially violent deputies stepped up without
    haloperidol ... will have to endure until Monday. what
  5. Neputin
    Neputin 9 November 2017 08: 40 New
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    For the theory of the fraternal people to gain the right to exist, 20 years or even more must pass. Over the past 25 years, the residents of Ukraine have been clearly explained that all the troubles they have historically come from Russia. 2-3 generations of absolutely zombie people, anti-Russian to the core, have already grown up, and many adults have already changed their views. Agitation and propaganda have done their job. Now only persistent, long-term, painstaking and at the same time accurate work on counter-propaganda can bear fruit. To persuade the stubborn is useless. Well, do not kill the same. No. Only bring up new rising generations of young Ukrainians. But how to do this in the current realities, the country's leadership, the media, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other structures should have a headache. Forget about fraternal Ukraine - it is already gone. The remaining normal people need to be maximally lightened and given ample opportunity to obtain citizenship of the Russian Federation, social adaptation, up to the payment of "lifting" or something like that. But just sitting and scratching the crotch, as it is now impossible, we will lose those remaining.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 9 November 2017 12: 28 New
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      I support the idea from the classics: Moses led Jews in the desert for 40 years, so that everyone would die to the last person who experienced Egyptian slavery. so we need to cut off this tribe for 40-50 years, so that all those who jumped, zig-za, poured gasoline into bottles in Odessa and just sympathized died. But with those - new, we will talk. Give isolation and deportation! Give a break in diplomatic relations! And stop trading with them - let them trade with Australia or with Belarusians.
      1. Berkut752
        Berkut752 9 November 2017 14: 01 New
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        ANECDOT IN THEME
        I checked the vigilance of citizens in Kiev. Present in the tram conductor a crust of the FSB. I thought he would surrender me to the Security Service of Ukraine, and he whispered me three Bandera on the rear platform ...
        Afghan saying: "Perhaps you have a watch, but we have time." So you recalled about Moses, who drove his people 40 years in the desert, but a long time, But if you remember that the USSR defeated the armies of Europe, under the leadership of Hitler, in just 5 years, you recall another joke:
        Moses 40 years led the people through the desert, and so did not lead anywhere. Ivan Susanin for the 2 hours took the Poles where it was needed.
        1. reservist
          reservist 9 November 2017 17: 11 New
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          Quote: Berkut752
          Moses led people through the wilderness for 40 years, so he never brought them anywhere.

          For 40 years he has been looking for a place where there is no oil ...
        2. ver_
          ver_ 9 November 2017 17: 24 New
          +3
          ... Moses = the prince of Tver led people - it’s for sure, but not in the desert, like the fact that his banner hangs in Istanbul = Constantinople and on this banner is a cannon, Arabic script and the last word - Cossack - in Russian ..
      2. aleks700
        aleks700 9 November 2017 14: 30 New
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        But with those - new, we will talk
        Which ones?
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 November 2017 08: 40 New
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    If not - well, why then such brothers?
    Strongly disagree. Since 2014, on the one hand, and on the other, hostile relations have been pumped. We are for Ukrainians as Svidomo as they are for us. It’s better to consider who benefits from embroiling the people. We are one people. The giants of the Union were virtual and suddenly everything collapsed. In an instant, Russians and Ukrainians began, but even in the 90s no one kept the borders. Look carefully at what is happening. First, the police in Russia, then after 2014 in Ukraine. First, the National Guard in Ukraine, then in Russia. It is as if they are leading from one center. I hardly watch TV, so I don’t know that the Ukrainians hate us, but it’s worth turning on 1 channel and ala-ulu, atu them. It’s clear that the tension is artificially aggravated so that ordinary people who are far from politics hate each other, and politicians can earn not only political points on this.
    Lord, we were also deceived then in the late 80s and early 90s. And you again jump on the same rake.
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 9 November 2017 09: 53 New
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      Gardamir I support you, but we are here in the minority. Unfortunately, our point of view is not shared. The people became embittered on the outskirts, although we could easily find ourselves in exactly that position, and maybe even worse.
      1. Elevator
        Elevator in the building 9 November 2017 10: 02 New
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        Shared. Unfortunately, not many. But the current state of affairs with an extremely hostile education in Kiev must be resolved, they will not stop, and this is firewood already made by our nationalists.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 9 November 2017 10: 55 New
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        we could easily
        And we were, only "jumped" against the USSR
        here the traitor bows to the owners, for the sake of power he destroyed the USSR, the current government erected a whole center for him.

      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 17: 52 New
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        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        Gardamir I support you, but we are here in the minority. Unfortunately, our point of view is not shared. The people became embittered on the outskirts, although we could easily find ourselves in exactly that position, and maybe even worse.

        you do not philosophize, but in fact see who turned out to be where !!! negative negative negative and also taking into account the fact that Ukraine was warned about the consequences of the last Maidan !!!
      4. 97110
        97110 9 November 2017 18: 59 New
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        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        although we could easily find ourselves in exactly that position, and maybe even worse.

        I’ll venture to suggest that I know "non-brothers" better than yours. My mother-in-law is from there. Their faith is stronger. Much stronger. I have never met a Russian with such a strong faith. In a freebie ... Their folk wisdom: "For free and bleach - curd." All the "non-brothers", all the "sisters" believe, someone more, someone not even realizing it, but EVERYONE BELIEVES that for the sale of Russia to them ALL "money fell off, a sack that you like to watch." And they wait when they call at the cash register. We would be in a position ... Most likely, in worse than theirs. But not in that ...
      5. AID.S
        AID.S 9 November 2017 20: 52 New
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        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        The people became embittered on the outskirts, although we could easily find ourselves in exactly that position, and maybe even worse.

        "- Don’t look like that - it’s not about me. We, the young, were taught like that, understand? We were ... taught like that ...
        - Everyone was taught. But why were you the first student? .. "
        We could, but they became the "first disciples". And you can’t throw this out of the “song”.
    2. Gamer
      Gamer 9 November 2017 10: 04 New
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      It’s better to consider who benefits from embroiling the people. We are one people.

      not once, no one has ever hinted at this from the Ukrainian side either in sazets or especially on TV / newspapers. As if to think, let alone say so, is a sign of bad taste in the territory of UA.
      1. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 9 November 2017 10: 33 New
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        No matter what the zombie box says. A thinking person understands that the hundreds of managers who came out to ride in the center of Kiev are not the whole Ukrainian people. I’m more than sure that we will have a crowd of idiots to repeat such a “feat” near the walls of the Kremlin for a small fee, give only free rein. A corrupt coward Yanukovych provided such an opportunity there then.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 17: 54 New
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          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          No matter what the zombie box says. A thinking person understands that the hundreds of managers who came out to ride in the center of Kiev are not the whole Ukrainian people. I’m more than sure that we will have a crowd of idiots to repeat such a “feat” near the walls of the Kremlin for a small fee, give only free rein. A corrupt coward Yanukovych provided such an opportunity there then.

          to expand your horizons, you would have to look at polls from Hohland, what nonsense does the NIFFchemniFFinovy ​​ordinary people carry there !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
          1. Ace Tambourine
            Ace Tambourine 12 November 2017 12: 41 New
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            Opposing ... well, here I am 65g.r ... I was on mandatory periods in my happy childhood and festivities ... Absolutely lilac and zalupintsy and anti-Putin, Maidan and Bolotny ...
            Yes, only, the future of My Country excites me more ... Therefore, in the absence of an alternative, high GDP, ... Or do you want PAP?
        2. Gamer
          Gamer 9 November 2017 21: 19 New
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          A corrupt coward Yanukovych such an opportunity

          there would be no cowardice of Yanukovych - the RF would not have Crimea now. Those. such his behavior (or venality) needed Putin to wring out \ return \ to occupy Crimea.
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 13 November 2017 22: 18 New
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            Quote: Gamer
            A corrupt coward Yanukovych such an opportunity

            there would be no cowardice of Yanukovych - the RF would not have Crimea now. Those. such his behavior (or venality) needed Putin to wring out \ return \ to occupy Crimea.

            Do you yourself believe in what you say? You’ve been bullied in the price of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea for 25 years, since the Russian Federation agreed to pay you for the fleet and tried to “squeeze” the maximum insolence every day. Kravchuk vowed that the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol would be "forever and free" in exchange for the Crimea. Although Yeltsin was a drunkard, he would not have agreed to pay for the fleet in Sevastopol, Crimea would have taken it. Sooner or later, this Ukrainian “lawlessness” for any would end. No one in the United States and NATO would ever let Sevastopol go without a system of illusions and don’t rely on unfulfilled hopes.
            1. Gamer
              Gamer 17 November 2017 14: 05 New
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              [quote] Do you yourself believe in what you say? [/ quote] Your presentation is not clear. Reread again. Crimea would never leave without a maidan coup in the Russian Federation, except for direct military extraction, and with the Maidan it’s another matter, there’s no reason for it - displeased people, referendum. Although in the case of Lugansk and Donetsk did not work, non-sacred live there.
              Kravchuk vowed that the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol will be "forever and free"
              this is called without sucker and life is bad, it was necessary to fix on a piece of paper and put the seal.
              The strategy of soft squeezing of the Black Sea Fleet began under Kuchma, it was forbidden to exchange old ships with new ones. From such an educational program for you, print and re-read it.
    3. Galleon
      Galleon 9 November 2017 12: 31 New
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      If you know how to run well, go to Kiev, go to some rally and say that you are Russian and their brother. If health doesn’t allow you to run, don’t listen to me.
    4. tezey
      tezey 9 November 2017 12: 37 New
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      Your indignation is understandable. It is not clear what you propose to do in today's situation. To begin with, it should be clarified if you are not aware that the pumping of hostile relations towards Russia in Ukraine did not begin at all in 2014, but much earlier, to which I am a witness. In the distant 1991, in the summer I was visiting my uncle in the city of Kramatorsk. You turn on Kiev television and from there a stream of stories rushed from different experts about how Russia is robbing Ukraine, how Ukraine feeds the Union, and how Ukrainians will live gloriously and richly on their own. And it acted on citizens. True, after a year, factories began to stop, and for some reason food did not increase in stores, but the money from citizens diminished catastrophically. And in Russia then no one expressed any hatred of Ukrainians. That was just the beginning. I don’t want to bother with the story further, I’ll only notice one more personal moment. Already in 2008 I needed to change my birth certificate. It had an incorrect entry. I went to Kramatorsk and changed. So from Vladimir, as recorded in the registration book, I turned into Volodimir, without my consent. How shoud I understand this. It is my right to be called. But the Ukrainian authorities thought differently. There should be no Russian names, whether they want it or not. Therefore, you are wrong. The forcing of anti-Russian sentiments in Ukraine has been a targeted process since 1991 which has been ubiquitous. This is the ideology of the Ukrainian state. In Russia there has not been and is no forcing anti-Ukrainian sentiments by the authorities and from the majority of citizens. The rejection of the policy of the Ukrainian authorities today is by no means related to the Ukrainian people, their culture, their rights. So, the Poroshenko come and leave without a glory, but the people will remain. Natsik and their henchmen will leave, because they are not capable of building anything good. It is necessary to fight them with all available methods, these are enemies and they talk about it openly. Therefore, let's distinguish politicking from real politics and distinguish the national interests of our country in Ukraine from the interests of those who earn political and not only points.
      1. domokl
        domokl 9 November 2017 16: 57 New
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        All you have written correctly. Except one. In Russia, they are really tired of the Ukrainian leeches. but the most disgusting, many Russians have a lot of relatives and friends in Ukraine. And they blame. There was a gap already at the family level. You understand perfectly well that the majority are not at all interested in Ukraine. You start the conversation and immediately someone will blurt out, yes they went. Let them live as they want. Only we will not help them anymore ...
        This is not about money, not about bytovuhu at all. This is about the problems that are already straining Ukraine. About the Carpathians, Lviv and other lands that Stalin gave ...
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N 13 November 2017 22: 27 New
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        Quote: Theseus
        Therefore, let's distinguish politicking from real politics and distinguish the national interests of our country in Ukraine from the interests of those who earn political and not only points.

        but I’m interested in what kind of national interests the Russian Federation has in Ukraine? ALL national interests should be located exclusively in the Russian Federation.
        After my relatives and friends whom I know for two decades suddenly started calling me an occupier, I personally realized that they needed to be left alone, let them live their own minds and feed their cockroaches themselves. And there is nothing to spare and feed them as "brothers".
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 9 November 2017 23: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      I hardly watch TV, so I don’t know that Ukrainians hate us,

      However, when they are organized and sent to fight in Russia, they will go and kill like a German in the forties.
    6. ellada
      ellada 9 November 2017 23: 35 New
      0
      We are all well aware that they artificially escalate this hostility, but what do you command to do ?? Turn a blind eye to this and pretend that everything is fine? Russia has been suffering all these attacks for a very long time. Everything once comes to an end. The people, for the most part, both communicated with each other without any hostility, and communicate, but politicians have brought the situation to a handle !!!
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 November 2017 08: 20 New
        +2
        Turn a blind eye to this and pretend that everything is fine?
        Of course not. But at least stop shouting "you yourself ..." at the household level. Just ignore our power, which creates tension.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 13 November 2017 22: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          Turn a blind eye to this and pretend that everything is fine?
          Of course not. But at least stop shouting "you yourself ..." at the household level. Just ignore our power, which creates tension.

          Of course, and to the mandatory question "Well, you know that 40 Russian military men are fighting in the Donbass" to shake their head and agree that they would not offend the "younger brothers"? Like, they beat you on the cheek, turn the other up?
  7. Eurodav
    Eurodav 9 November 2017 08: 58 New
    20
    It is very necessary to restrain this kodla, it’s good to carry nonsense about the brothers! Personally, I’m a Jew Waltzman, not a brother, but simple ukrolyudi let them somehow take care of themselves and fig them from Russia ... They conduct experiments with the country, but they sit back ... Patriots are fig! And border control first! So that no bird from the middle of the Dnieper ...
  8. Shadow of darkness
    Shadow of darkness 9 November 2017 09: 36 New
    +4
    Something the author suffered ... no
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 17: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Shadow of Darkness
      Something the author suffered ... no

      what what what do not la la la .. in the case of the author says !!! good good good can be harder !!! tongue tongue laughing laughing laughing
      1. Shadow of darkness
        Shadow of darkness 9 November 2017 19: 32 New
        0
        Nonsense! no The guarantor did not even introduce a surveillance service for Svidomo visitors to Russia. There is no control, the business has worked in Ukraine and works. No sanctions have been announced not only against an unfriendly state, there are not even monthly replenished lists of especially stubborn neo-Bandera people who are banned from entering Russia, and all financial and business relations with these individuals are frozen. stop No this! And the author is already waving his sword and is ready to fight with all Ukrainians. This article is the level of the Yatsynyukovsky fence: there is a lot of noise - zero sense! wassat The guarantor has not yet taken even reasonable measures. Everything flirts and wipes, and the author is ready to announce the crusade. wassat I do not want to write all the arguments, why something that the author wrote above will not be implemented, otherwise the whole article will turn out. Try to look at the arguments given by the author from different angles and maybe you will see everything for yourself. hi
        1. Ace Tambourine
          Ace Tambourine 12 November 2017 12: 48 New
          0
          The Guarantor does everything right ... the same Gaster, like cockroaches, are used to transfer information that no one touches them here, are more than favorable, sympathize, and, until now, are perceived as fraternal people ... And sprouts, even the most minimal, awareness of such information, make much more guns ...
  9. Gamer
    Gamer 9 November 2017 10: 01 New
    +1
    And welcome the desertion.
    how, if the author proposes to completely close the Russian border?
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 17: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Gamer
      And welcome the desertion.
      how, if the author proposes to completely close the Russian border?

      to complete the Khokhlyat wall !!! lol lol lol
  10. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 9 November 2017 10: 11 New
    +6
    supporting a break with Russia is like a test for patriotism

    It is high time to establish a "friendship" with the Nazis ...
    I wonder how to check in Russia for patriotism? Probably not so difficult: you maintain business and relations with Ukraine - an accomplice of the Nazis. And the first on this list is Sberbank Gref.
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  11. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 9 November 2017 10: 24 New
    +8
    Quote: Vasya Vassin
    we could easily find ourselves in exactly that position

    we were already in “such a situation” ... we don’t need more of such excrement ... although this “situation” didn’t end with us: if the Western genitals seemed to stop licking in the international sphere, then in domestic politics there is complete failure and stagnation. And the financial activities of the rulers are generally worthy of capital punishment.
    By the way, the West connects all hopes for the complete defeat of Russia precisely with the continuation of such an internal policy of the current Russian elite.
  12. Altona
    Altona 9 November 2017 10: 30 New
    +9
    Our oligarchs in / in Ukraine have their own interest and our banks invested $ 2,6 billion there. In general, Ukraine has de facto already introduced a soft visa regime by checking biometrics, and we all play in the “brothers”.
  13. Altona
    Altona 9 November 2017 10: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: kunstkammer
    I wonder how to check in Russia for patriotism?

    ---------------------------------
    Pff, simple as that. Now five-column can be caught in whole bundles. Just yesterday there were lines in Moscow and St. Petersburg for Iphone X, take it there. Rallies of Bulk. On the TV, "ex", "X" and other "farts". Now all liberal hamsters in the world. laughing laughing
  14. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 9 November 2017 10: 34 New
    21
    And I will tell you so, and to Gardamir, and Vasya Vassin, and Hiss, and to all other opponents, I do not hate the Ukrainian people, absolutely NO !!!, and my friends too, and I understand that there are 10 people one normal, it’s even possible, but look what’s going on / getting up there, and this is not one out of ten for friendship and fraternity with the Russian Federation, but nine out of ten for the war with the Russian Federation, therefore, it’s not necessary to isolate oneself from a mad and sick beast write, don’t communicate, interrupt all kinds of contacts whenever possible, let them boil on their own .... We have a lot of our problems, they must be solved, and Ukraine for us in the near future is lost, take these realities, there is the processing was as expected, no friendship with Russia there is no need, young people are very well crafted and tastes impunity and permissiveness. And they just hate us. There you go.

    PS and talk that Ukraine will deflate, fall apart, etc. etc. this is chatter, this fire will smolder for a long time ....
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 9 November 2017 12: 13 New
      +3
      I will allow myself to answer you in this spirit. When grief occurs in a family, and one of the brothers becomes an alcoholic, a drug addict, a player (you can give examples yourself). It also happens, as you say, that you don’t spend energy and nerves on him, but simply delete him from the family, don’t communicate, don’t reach out, don’t mention his name. But from this he does not cease to be a brother? How do you think?
      1. 97110
        97110 9 November 2017 19: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        But from this he does not cease to be a brother?

        I know the brothers. The dispute reached the sovereign Duma. Bus transportation between the farms was divided. Until there was a competitor imputed on their head. There are still former wives. Which do not pay child support. Or your own children? Your reference to the fraternity is somehow not convincing.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 9 November 2017 23: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        But from this he does not cease to be a brother?

        Western Ukraine - Lviv, Volyn, they are not even Slavs, what the fuck are they?
      3. E_V_N
        E_V_N 13 November 2017 22: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        I will allow myself to answer you in this spirit. When grief occurs in a family, and one of the brothers becomes an alcoholic, a drug addict, a player (you can give examples yourself). It also happens, as you say, that you don’t spend energy and nerves on him, but simply delete him from the family, don’t communicate, don’t reach out, don’t mention his name. But from this he does not cease to be a brother? How do you think?

        Yes, they first root for the alcoholic’s brother, they treat, convince, feed, conduct soul-saving conversations, then they rob him of money, treat him forcibly, and they can hit him in the face. But if nothing helps, if the brother himself does not want to quit addiction, if his life as an alcoholic suits him, he is deleted from life. Yes, when a drunken brother freezes under a fence, they will regret him, remember him, tell him about the ruined life themselves and ... continue to live on.
        Maybe it's time to move from persuasion to "compulsory" treatment? It does not help, delete from memory.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 17: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: stas-21127
      PS and talk that Ukraine will deflate, fall apart, etc. etc. this is chatter, this fire will smolder for a long time ....

      Somalia also exists ... formally !!! wink yes laughing
    3. Elevator
      Elevator in the building 9 November 2017 18: 53 New
      +8
      And why is it for me, a Russian of Ukrainian origin, to abandon my land for the sake of Bandera geeks? I have half the family in my Zaporizhzhya cemetery, it was they who built the Union and defended it, but not in the city committees, on the fronts and factories. The fact that part of the family after the collapse lived "in the north" is pure coincidence and my luck. And yes, I was raised on books about the pioneers of heroes, and I raised my son like that, and you can still see my grandson. And why is it, I repeat, we must give away what our great-grandfathers defended to some degenerate, and even more so throw our helpless to tear to pieces and "reformat" ..? I do not call for an “immediate war”, but only because there are still enough other levers, but that’s why our “ruling elite” does not use them, this is a separate conversation.
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  16. Woland
    Woland 9 November 2017 10: 52 New
    15
    When I read about conversations in parliament today, I was very upset. Again there are voices saying that about the breakdown of diplomatic relations in the Russian Federation, they got excited. And so it all started well! They break off relations with us, we will have to answer in the same way, otherwise our leaders in the leadership of the country will never dare to call a spade a spade, we don’t have any brothers except the army and navy. I don’t know what Ukrainians must do (say) Ukrainians so that the leadership finally understands that all brotherhood has ended. For the Russian people, the best option would be to NOT KNOW ANYTHING and NOT HEAR about Ukraine. Reduce the amount of information about it to the level of information about Mongolia, even less! Let yourself boil in your own boiler, we do not care about them. Tired of worse than the bitter radish. Only the economy. In the morning, money for lunch chairs. All citizens of Ukraine, send home. Close the borders for them. And never open them again !!!!!!!!!
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 9 November 2017 13: 25 New
      +4
      And what about the residents of the Oryol, Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh regions, who have a lot of relatives in Ukraine? Yes, in general, a significant part of Russians have relatives in Ukraine.
      1. Woland
        Woland 9 November 2017 14: 22 New
        13
        And why should the Russians have a headache about this? If relatives in Russia are so dear to Ukrainians, then let them change their government. Can not? Then we can’t help with anything. Tolerate Kiev slops on our heads for the convenience of individuals. who have relatives in Ukraine, the rest of Russia does not want. Forest chopped wood chips fly. And it’s not our fault
        1. Elevator
          Elevator in the building 10 November 2017 16: 39 New
          +2
          I am a citizen of Russia. I am Russian of Ukrainian origin. What, in your opinion, should I do to ensure that there is order in Ukraine and not break Russian legislation? How can I make my grandmother and nephews leave Zaporozhye if the second ones are minors, and the first “this is my house, my father built it, then I will die”! What should I do ?!! I can only help them with money, because I have no move to Ukraine. And how do you think “closing yourself off from madmen” will solve the problem? I repeat - half the family in the local cemetery, and I can’t even come to the grave. Thanks to the rulers, scum, they do not remember kinship, and from any side !!!
          1. Woland
            Woland 11 November 2017 12: 59 New
            0
            So after all, no one calls to forget their relatives. I am ready to understand that you, as a loving relative, are ready to endure everything for that. to be able to see and help my relatives But what about the rest of the Russians? Continue to endure all the slop on your head so that you are comfortable communicating with your family? We have to do with it, if God has judged you to have relatives in Ukraine? The best option for you, in my opinion, is to find a way to see you off in neutral territory. If they certainly want to. But there is no trial. As for the rulers "from our side." There are a lot of things on them, for which I would tear off their head. But in this situation they are not at work. It all started and continues with Ukraine. And our government, by the way, continues to call this Banderstan "brothers" who de "do not know what they are doing." And this is outraged by the vast majority of Russians
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 13 November 2017 15: 03 New
              0
              You do not quite imagine the scale of the problem. I don’t know what region you live in. But in the Kursk, Voronezh, Oryol, Bryansk, Belgorod, Rostov regions, Ukrainian relatives, at least every second or third resident. Basically, this, by the way, is Russian by nationality. In most other regions, the percentage of relatives living in Ukraine is also quite considerable. My wife and I have a couple of dozens of relatives, mostly Russians, on the territory of LDNR, and no less than the rest of Ukraine. Some of those and others are actually earning money in Russia, some are going to become Russian citizens, others have already become them. Most are pro-Russian. But, I will not hide, not all.
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 13 November 2017 22: 59 New
                0
                Quote: Sergej1972
                You do not quite imagine the scale of the problem. I don’t know what region you live in. But in the Kursk, Voronezh, Oryol, Bryansk, Belgorod, Rostov regions, Ukrainian relatives, at least every second or third resident. Basically, this, by the way, is Russian by nationality. In most other regions, the percentage of relatives living in Ukraine is also quite considerable. My wife and I have a couple of dozens of relatives, mostly Russians, on the territory of LDNR, and no less than the rest of Ukraine. Some of those and others are actually earning money in Russia, some are going to become Russian citizens, others have already become them. Most are pro-Russian. But, I will not hide, not all.

                There was the USSR, the "princes" decided to break it into specific princedoms, and we did not say anything, moreover, supported our local princes on both sides of the "princedoms", voted for them. Now one prince decided to dig ditches along the borders and pull the barbed wire. So what? The tops are to blame, but we ourselves have nothing to do with it? But aren't we ourselves in the 90s led to a "freebie", we won’t feed our neighbors and we all will live richly.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 18: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Sergej1972
        And what about the residents of the Oryol, Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh regions, who have a lot of relatives in Ukraine? Yes, in general, a significant part of Russians have relatives in Ukraine.

        live normally further and do not roam around hohlyandii !!! negative negative negative then Russia will still have to pull out short-sighted Russians who have trampled on relatives and ended up somewhere in the basement of the SBU !!! fool fool do you really need to have a lot of brains to anticipate these and other problems ???? wassat wassat wassat
  17. tezey
    tezey 9 November 2017 11: 52 New
    +3
    Of course, it is the business of the Kiev authorities to break diplomatic relations with the Russian Federation, or not. If this happens, the negative consequences for Ukraine are obvious. But these crazy guys in Kiev are of little concern. Then they will not have to scratch themselves, but ordinary citizens and the business community will not be happy. Georgians have already gone through all this. Now they want to somehow improve the situation, but the Russian Federation has taken a principled position. It’s easy to break, it’s hard to build. Russia has something to answer and answer for the Kiev government is painful. And Russia can answer at its discretion dosed. About the brotherly people. I believe that people and power should be divided. The people in Ukraine are different. For me personally, my Ukrainian relatives and childhood friends are brotherly people. Punishers from Azov are enemies. It is necessary to work ideologically with the former, support them, and fight the latter with all available methods, as well as with the current Ukrainian authorities.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 18: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Theseus
      But these crazy guys in Kiev are of little concern. Then they will not have to scratch themselves, but ordinary citizens and the business community will not be happy.

      already somehow tired of this technique, that Kiev nerds in power do not care about ordinary people, as a result of which Russia should think about all the problems !!! negative negative negative how tired and the separation of the Ukrainian people from power !!! it is the people themselves who choose these idiots !!!
      1. tezey
        tezey 12 November 2017 17: 32 New
        0
        What makes you think that Russia should think about the problems of Ukraine and their people. The rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves. Let those who chose Poroshenko and his gop company get what they dream from their chosen government. And we will see to what extent they will reach. It is their business who they want to be. And there is no question of any help at all. We have already passed and we know that they bite the nursing hand. Now only for yourself.
  18. sauvage
    sauvage 9 November 2017 12: 01 New
    +7
    That diplomatic relations will break, officially called the aggressor, all the same, the "elite" of Russia will repeat that the people of Ukraine are not to blame, it's all the Kiev junta. Look at Sharia, there a survey was conducted on the severance of relations with Russia, and so every second respondent is for the severance.
  19. Mihail55
    Mihail55 9 November 2017 12: 11 New
    +9
    When they threw bottles of fire at Berkut and picked out paving stones from the pavement on their filthy "Maidan", they stopped being brothers to us. There are both relatives and friends ... very sorry. But in another way how to beat the crap out of them? The Germans had denazificationhere should pass DEBANDERIZATION.
  20. CONTROL
    CONTROL 9 November 2017 12: 34 New
    +4
    4 million Ukrainians on official earnings and half a million illegal immigrants - home.
    Oil and gas producers, furniture makers, car mechanics - home.

    ... the "internal army" of Gazprom and other Russian super monopolies - home! Home, home ... because they consist mainly of Ukrainians with Ukrainian citizenship! And recently - there began to appear there and employees "with experience in warfare" ...
    ...Home! In the "unplanned" ... second persons of many banks (subordinate to Sberbank, by the way), deputies of directors and executive and administrative persons with Ukrainian citizenship Russian firms and companies ... home, home!
    Well, and a whole bunch of Ukrainian citizens, systematically and continuously subjected to aggression by Russia - while being on its territory ...
    -------------------------------------------------
    ... and we are all surprised at the little points - why Russia has not slammed the 100% illegitimate and frankly fascist regime on your territory? Four more years ago! Instead, it’s “humanitarian convoys” to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe ... Despite the fact that the Donbass as a whole is self-sufficient, and able to feed and provide for itself is poor, but - in the long run ... and to protect itself - with some. .. and with God's help - quite ...
  21. BAI
    BAI 9 November 2017 13: 01 New
    0
    Maybe this will be news for someone, but we still have a lot of industries - missile, nuclear, etc. are tightly tied to Ukraine and there is still no replacement for it. If Ukraine has cosmos and atom - on the drum, then for us - no. In particular, a contract for the supply of rocket engines in the United States. Surely components are registered there and their manufacturer is indicated - Ukraine. If the contract is broken, Ukraine will lose a penny, and Russia will fly into hundreds of millions of dollars, plus a damaged reputation (like France and the Mistrals). And so everywhere - penny Ukrainian details would jeopardize large contracts.
    1. staviator
      staviator 9 November 2017 17: 15 New
      +3
      If the contract is broken, Ukraine will lose a penny, and Russia will fly into hundreds of millions of dollars, plus a damaged reputation (like France and the Mistrals). And so everywhere - penny Ukrainian details would jeopardize large contracts.

      Oh, this is all done easily through intermediaries, America also didn’t deliver stew directly to fascists, politics and business are different things. Erdogan also barks from time to time, and pushes tomatoes and a gas pipeline. As if Simens did not know where the turbines would go.
  22. Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2017 13: 04 New
    +1
    Here we would support such Maidan with all our heart. Not for Russia, not for Russian rubles, for a normal fraternal Ukraine.
    If not - well, why then such brothers?
    yes good
  23. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 9 November 2017 13: 32 New
    +4
    If Ukraine breaks diplomatic relations, then maybe it makes sense to temporarily put aside the tale of the "brotherly people" in a distant closet?


    Roman, how much can you? 2 years ago, I realized that for you the doctrine of "they_n_n_ brother" is close and warm to the heart. Why, then, every time you stubbornly shove it into your articles, and even in the context that until the time of writing he is still a brother ...

    The proverbial sugar of the saying? Or is it a mantra?

    Oil and gas producers, furniture makers, car mechanics - home.

    And who will repair the Ford Focus credit to a Muscovite oil manager? And do designer furniture from the massif manually? But oil in the taiga with lots of seek-fools in general there is little.

    The compatriots undoubtedly can do all this, but it’s 2 times more expensive. Tajiks too, but it’s 2 times less quality.
    1. Woland
      Woland 9 November 2017 18: 39 New
      +3
      Is it really bad when compatriots are twice as expensive? All true patriots of their country are two-handed "FOR"! And for those compatriots who are against (read - the leaders of those enterprises that profit from cheap labor from Ukraine), a law is needed that would prohibit hiring guest workers if there are Russians willing
    2. Cook
      Cook 9 November 2017 21: 14 New
      +2
      What are you? Where does a Muscovite oil manager get a Ford Focus loan? Everyone will laugh at him, you still write about the Lada X-ray.
    3. E_V_N
      E_V_N 13 November 2017 23: 07 New
      0
      Quote: IrbenWolf
      And who will repair the Ford Focus credit to a Muscovite oil manager? And do designer furniture from the massif manually? But oil in the taiga with lots of seek-fools in general there is little.
      The compatriots undoubtedly can do all this, but it’s 2 times more expensive. Tajiks too, but it’s 2 times less quality.

      Well, here you are now telling everyone that the Russians in Gazprom receive twice as much Ukrainians, and if it weren’t for the Ukrainian zarotchans who could save money, Gazprom would have already gone to the pipe.
  24. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 9 November 2017 14: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Neputin
    For the theory of the fraternal people to gain the right to exist, 20 years or even more must pass. Over the past 25 years, the residents of Ukraine have been clearly explained that all the troubles they have historically come from Russia. 2-3 generations of absolutely zombie people, anti-Russian to the core, have already grown up, and many adults have already changed their views. Agitation and propaganda have done their job. Now only persistent, long-term, painstaking and at the same time accurate work on counter-propaganda can bear fruit. To persuade the stubborn is useless. Well, do not kill the same. No. Only bring up new rising generations of young Ukrainians. But how to do this in the current realities, the country's leadership, the media, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other structures should have a headache. Forget about fraternal Ukraine - it is already gone. The remaining normal people need to be maximally lightened and given ample opportunity to obtain citizenship of the Russian Federation, social adaptation, up to the payment of "lifting" or something like that. But just sitting and scratching the crotch, as it is now impossible, we will lose those remaining.

    I fully support the statement of the state of the Russian-Ukrainian agreements. But in terms of "what to do" proposals do not stand up to criticism. In order for "counter-propaganda" to become effective, it must be massive. Therefore, even if it is neat, painstaking and perennial, there will be no sense in it, because all existing channels are closed, and so that their curators do not open new ones professionally. How much have we achieved in re-educating the Germans. poisoned by fascist propaganda? I see three outcomes from the current situation. You can leave everything as it is, while the existing regime will continue to strengthen under the supervision of its curators, and in the end it will become a factor that Russia will have to take into account and begin to flex in the military and political plan. You can provoke a war and get the terrorist activity of the vanquished. You can try to secretly organize a palace coup with adequate politicians coming to power, I understand that it is insanely difficult, but the effect of this will be positive.
  25. intuzazist
    intuzazist 9 November 2017 14: 41 New
    +3
    maybe it makes sense to temporarily put aside the tale of the "brotherly people" in a distant closet?
    -----------------------------------
    Great offer! Still need to remove the word "temporarily" !!!! And replace the word "set aside" with "DISCHARGE" and "distant closet" with "WASTE" !!!!
  26. Bosch
    Bosch 9 November 2017 14: 42 New
    +7
    What can be diplomatic relations with the Nazi state? The mistakes of the past cannot be repeated. They expel all Ukrainians from Russia, let them scratch to Europe and America, otherwise they are masters - grandmothers hammer in Russia and at the same time they have a war with Russia. It was necessary to put them in their place even when they launched an attack on the embassy in Kiev.
    1. Phoenix_L'vov
      Phoenix_L'vov 9 November 2017 22: 54 New
      0
      All refugees from the Nazi regime too?
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 10 November 2017 00: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
        All refugees from the Nazi regime too?

        All refugees officially registered this status? I know comrades who wear a Ukrainian passport in a quilted jacket already having Russian citizenship, just in case ...
  27. intuzazist
    intuzazist 9 November 2017 14: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: BAI
    but we still have a lot of industries - missile, nuclear, etc. are tightly tied to Ukraine and there is still no replacement

    Stupidity to write please !!! There is already a replacement! Yes, and many specialists have already received Russian citizenship ......
    1. BAI
      BAI 9 November 2017 17: 31 New
      +1
      Citizenship is not equal to production. It’s not strange to get a passport and drag a blast furnace - these are 2 big differences. If there were no close economic ties, the policy towards Ukraine would be much tougher. If space and atom are not obvious to you - where is the replacement for the banal Ukrainian gas transit?
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 10 November 2017 00: 53 New
        0
        Quote: BAI
        where is the replacement for the banal Ukrainian gas transit?

        You well noted that the closer the 2019 year (the expiration of the Russian gas transit agreement), the closer the gap in diplomatic relations and the supply of American liquefied gas to the EU ...
  28. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 9 November 2017 15: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: Woland
    If relatives are so dear to Ukrainians

    so for them these relatives are also “dear” that something can be torn off, stolen from them ...
    As in that letter from Ukraine to relatives in Russia: “Our Petro is going to Donbass to kill Russians ... send money to buy him body armor!”
  29. Bat
    Bat 9 November 2017 15: 35 New
    +1
    So I'm upset
  30. silver169
    silver169 9 November 2017 15: 42 New
    +1
    It is high time to end this hypocritical, deceitful legend of the "fraternal" Ukrainian people. These p.o.do.s.k.i have always been treacherous traitors ready at any convenient moment to stick a knife into the Russian back. BANDEROVSKY ukryainya SHOULD BE DESTROYED ONCE AND FOREVER, so that the very concepts of "Ukraine" and "Ukrainian" disappear from people's memory.
    1. Aimpoint
      Aimpoint 9 November 2017 17: 19 New
      +2
      This is how you yell from the sofa. But politicians think very differently. And if you don’t like their opinion, then go out onto the street and blather something in protest - they’ll immediately tie
  31. P0LYM
    P0LYM 9 November 2017 16: 42 New
    +3
    I don’t understand why we ourselves didn’t do this before ??? When will this fucking politically correct co-operation about our smaller brothers and other liberalistic crap cease ??? Why not ask politely, but persistently, all citizens of Ukraine to leave home as soon as possible to restore good neighborly relations ... after all, not Russians should go there and do it all for them !!! ... And then, how only normal relations will be established ... (and not a second earlier) ... welcome !!!
  32. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 9 November 2017 16: 54 New
    +3
    After all, the Americans are not in vain feeding this nation. Loans are given to them, which they will never repay. And what can they more than return? Yes, his military training and willingness to die for this Ukraine.
    Our relations with the United States are at the bottom and no gap is visible. And in the States, meanwhile, the rallies of the northerners and southerners fell silent. Not heard of black speeches. Kind of weird...
    And I think if the Yankees say face - all this ukroarmiya will explode on us. Without regard to losses. And it doesn’t matter where - to the Crimea or to LDNR. Western media concocts a picture of Russian aggression, people make it up. That is the pretext for war.
    Yes, the Baltic states will begin. What they give money to them - for amber and sprats. Let's work out. In the rear we have "sleeping" sabotage groups. Look how many ukrov came to us with an open border, the FSB cannot cope here, we need SMERSH. But the USA and Europe are out of business. It’s like in Georgia, they washed their hands.
  33. Dimy4
    Dimy4 9 November 2017 17: 19 New
    +1
    But will there be enough political will for our government to carry out, in the event of a breakup, all the decisions that the author pointed out?
  34. Pivasik
    Pivasik 9 November 2017 17: 22 New
    +1
    The point must be set deliberately ... the point can always be later corrected to another punctuation mark winked
  35. APASUS
    APASUS 9 November 2017 17: 32 New
    +3
    Even taking into account the enormous numbers of migration, this money is earned and goes directly to families. Even if it's 3-5 billion. We all forget about the recapitalization of VTB, Sberbank and a couple of other banks that directly invest in Ukraine, in the production of weapons, for example, in the development of the technological sphere. And this is not 3-5 billion, but 10-20 and every year.
    How to deal with this money? And yet, the same Sberbank is a state office, doesn’t it turn out funny !?
  36. Alex Xorkam
    Alex Xorkam 9 November 2017 17: 53 New
    +2
    For some reason, the article does not say about the "joy" of Europeans from this decision. The question of extending the gas transit agreement will be decided by itself. Well, what a contract without diplomatic relations. Force Majeure and under the current contract. Either buy on our border and mess with Ukraine yourself, or you may freeze. By the way the question. Has anyone heard of an aggressor country that has not declared war?
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 10 November 2017 00: 47 New
      0
      Alex Xorkam
      For some reason, the article does not say about the "joy" of Europeans from this decision. The question of extending the gas transit agreement will be decided by itself. Well, what a contract without diplomatic relations. Force Majeure and under the current contract.

      By no means.
      R.do. between the participants of any international agreement does not affect its implementation, if diplomatic relations are not required for this.

      https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_law/1933/%D0%
      A0%D0%90%D0%97%D0%A0%D0%AB%D0%92
  37. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 9 November 2017 17: 54 New
    +1
    It seems to me, comrades, that this whole epic with a break in diplomatic relations will end just like that.
  38. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 9 November 2017 17: 59 New
    0
    4,5 million is a lot. If you add more families, there will be even more. Even if the dissatisfaction goes to express 1 from 10 - it will not be Maidan. Maidanische.

    Without a real and authoritative leader, all these Maidans are worthless. Someone should lead the whole crowd and direct their energy in the right direction.
    And with banderlog what to do? And those who have brains in their heads turned into rotten fat from a zombie creature is not a hundred, not two. What to do with them? If they quiet down, then anyway rot from their brains can no longer be derived. And these "rotten" will produce their own kind.
    So it’s not so simple, comrades ...
  39. peace
    peace 9 November 2017 18: 01 New
    +4
    Enough to feed the enemies. For a long time, we ourselves had to stop all relationships. Especially in the military sphere. They kill Donbass with our military help! Aren't we ashamed?
  40. Alexey Pishenkov
    Alexey Pishenkov 9 November 2017 18: 06 New
    +3
    ... it was necessary to immediately introduce polite PMC people to eastern Ukraine, the consequences in the form of sanctions and howling in the "free press" would most likely be the same today, but there would be much less real problems and lost lives ...
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 10 November 2017 00: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey Pishenkov
      ... it was necessary to immediately introduce polite PMC people to eastern Ukraine, the consequences in the form of sanctions and howling in the "free press" would most likely be the same today, but there would be much less real problems and lost lives ...

      Pretty little deal 40 million parasites on their neck, in Russia we have only 10-12 donor regions, and the rest are subsidized ....
      1. Alexey Pishenkov
        Alexey Pishenkov 10 November 2017 12: 19 New
        0
        Well, firstly, nobody spoke about the whole of Ukraine, secondly, Donbass and the adjacent territories with mines, heavy industry and for all this, I would probably not be recorded as parasites by parasites, thirdly, Russia is now all on the neck is hanging in fact, but in the current situation it’s much more difficult to provide assistance and to keep order there, and in the fourth, if troops had been brought in at 14m, most likely the bridge to Kerch would not have been needed, and he a penny flies ...
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 10 November 2017 20: 26 New
          +1
          Alexey Pishenkov
          Well, firstly, nobody spoke about the whole of Ukraine, and secondly, the Donbass and adjacent territories with mines, heavy industry and for all this, a qualified population

          The Russian Federation also has its own heavy industry, but it has a Ukrainian competitor, we closed the mines in the Rostov Region due to unprofitability for a long time ... and the qualified personnel sit without work themselves, they are more expensive to me ....
          thirdly, it’s all in Russia now on the neck and so in fact hangs

          ..but not 40 million or even 10 ... RF Donbass is needed as a buffer zone between the pro-NATO country and us, for the sake of this RF is ready to pay local pensions and pay salaries to state employees ... but no more ....
          and in the fourth, if troops were to be introduced in 14

          it would be an act of aggression, with all that it implies, the last time for this the USSR was expelled from the League of Nations ....
          then the bridge to Kerch would most likely not be needed, and he oh, what a pretty penny it flies into ...

          a bridge on any will be cheaper than the entire population of the southeast ....

          Let the Czech Republic take at least one region of Ukraine .... the advisers are the same to me ....
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 13 November 2017 15: 10 New
        0
        You know, in most countries of the world, most regions are by no means donors. Much depends on the features of tax policy. Moreover, this is often a deliberate policy of the central authorities. Municipalities and regions should be financially dependent on them. In general, this is quite reasonable.
        And in the United States, the federation, states, and municipalities have different sources of tax revenue. There are federal, state and municipal taxes. Therefore, it is generally difficult to say who is the donor and who is not.))
  41. Wolka
    Wolka 9 November 2017 18: 14 New
    +2
    "speak behind me, then I’m ahead of you, discussing my life, then it’s more interesting than yours ...", is it worth discussing Ukraine and its problems again and again, maybe it’s better to think and discuss more about yourself ...
  42. 1536
    1536 9 November 2017 18: 20 New
    +2
    It is high time. It is a pity that this initiative does not come from our Federal Assembly, but from the junta regime.
    About the brothers. I would be ashamed to realize that my brother, in a drunken stupor, walled up the Eternal Flame in the city square and at the same time works as a shoe cleaner for American military instructors. God forbid from such relatives. This is not to say anything else. In LTP for treatment, and then, perhaps, it will be possible to talk. And diplomatic relations will improve.
  43. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 9 November 2017 18: 53 New
    +3
    Few people in Russia are aware that the electricity generated in Ukraine is not needed for anybody. And this is an important nuance in the Ukrainian budget. Only after having “cleared” and stabilized in our northern networks, is it at least something suitable.
    Here are five points. You can not read further, because everything is clear with the level of the article. The problem of Urains in the most severe shortage of generated power! And this breakdown will only worsen in the coming years due to the development of the resource by Ukrainian NPP units. Fuel for the classic generation is also not enough. Here you can read in detail http://rian.com.ua/analytics/20160829/1015392032.
    html /
    Now further .... What is the purification of Ukrainian electricity? And what does stabilization have to do with it? What is it about???? And what kind of NORTH NETWORKS? I suggest that the author open a map of PJSC ROSSETI and see which IDGC is located on the border of Ukraine. And where are the Northern Networks of PJSC MOESK. You don’t have to write about what you don’t understand from the word “completely”.
  44. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 November 2017 20: 37 New
    0
    What decision the Parliament will make regarding diplomatic relations depends on a well-considered decision, because it can
    determine further relations between Russia and Ukraine. Breaking relations between countries will affect life
    ordinary people both in Ukraine and in Russia. I am very glad that among those who comment, there are fewer people calling for
    the fighting. What is war? In a matter of hours, empty shelves. All those for whom the mother war is sweeping away will sweep away everything.
  45. Alsur
    Alsur 9 November 2017 20: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: wasjasibirjac
    Yes, the introduction of a visa regime for Ukrainians and the expulsion of millions of "workers in the underground" back home will deal a terrible blow to the remnants of the Ukrainian economy.

    Yes, why are you rushing with this blow to the Ukrainian economy. It does, it doesn’t - it does. It must be done so that there is no threat to the Russian population and a resident of Donbass and Lugansk.
  46. akm8226
    akm8226 9 November 2017 21: 29 New
    +2
    CHESLOVO, citizens - you are all like children. Remember once and for all - in order to get the RESULT you should always put the question with an edge. No half measures have ever brought results to anyone. We must clearly say to ourselves - Ukraine is currently the enemy. And behave accordingly. They don’t need to break diplomatic relations - for us! We need to show all those who are there - we will not tolerate the Nazis. I foresee an objection - but what about the Russians there? And then you have a counter-question - what did these local Russians do when they learned that Russians were being killed in Donetsk? But nothing. How deducted the percentage of salaries in the ATO - and continue. And they wait, they say, Russia - come and decide everything for us. There is a good parable about the Buddha. He once walked with his students and saw that the peasant could not pull the cart out of the pit, no matter how hard he tried. Buddha piled on and helped him. Let's move on. After a while, they saw a man bitterly complaining to everyone about his fate and asking for help. People threw him money, cakes, but Buddha passed by. The disciples were dumbfounded - Teacher, they asked why you didn’t help this person, but you helped the first? Buddha replied - the first silently tried to do, but this one doing nothing just groans.
    The road will be overpowered by a walker. I suppose everyone understood.
  47. akm8226
    akm8226 9 November 2017 21: 37 New
    +2
    By the way, here is this parable about the Buddha in the original.

    Was it really or not - no one really knows, but the parable says that one day Buddha and his disciples walked across the field and saw the ox fall into a large hole with the peasant. The peasant went down into the pit and tried to pull out the ox, but he did not succeed.

    Then Buddha told his disciples to help the peasant. The disciples jumped into the pit, helped the peasant to pull out the ox and went on with the Buddha.

    After some time, they saw that similar situation: the ox fell into the pit, and the peasant sat on the edge of the pit and wept bitterly. Buddha looked at him and, without saying a word, went on.

    The students were surprised and asked:

    “Teacher, and teacher, why didn’t you order us to help this peasant?”

    Buddha looked at the disciples and asked them:

    - How exactly to help? Help cry?
  48. Phoenix_L'vov
    Phoenix_L'vov 9 November 2017 22: 36 New
    +1
    “4 million Ukrainians on official earnings and half a million illegal immigrants home” - yeah, and in their place 4 million Tajiks and Uzbeks, many of whom probably only returned from Syria from ISIS or have just entered there.
    "4 million Ukrainians on official earnings and half a million illegal immigrants home" - yeah, and with them all refugees from the junta, all Ukrainian anti-fascists from all over Ukraine, and not just from the ATO zone - bravo, they came up with "good", along with water out of the font and child.

    “Oil and gas producers, furniture makers, car mechanics - home” - and the losses incurred by the disappearance of hundreds of thousands of qualified specialists will amount to hundreds of millions of rubles - if not billions.
    Having expelled, in order to amuse his pride, all the citizens of Ukraine in a row - Russia simply will shoot itself in the foot!

    “And then they will go to demand from the authorities” - and then they will be declared “Putin’s agents”, “sellers”, and troops will be thrown against them at the very first provocation (which the authorities can easily organize). And everything will be blown away, because no millions will go into the streets under tanks if they are not supported financially, politically, by weapons, competent leadership, and everything else that the United States supported the coup in Kiev.

    In a word, the author of the article is not as smart as the pest that deprived members of the forum to give negative ratings to delusional flows of consciousness like this article ...
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 10 November 2017 00: 37 New
      +2
      Phoenix_L'vov yeah, and with them all the refugees from the junta, all Ukrainian anti-fascists from all over Ukraine, and not just from the ATO zone - bravo, they thought up "well", and the child would pour out water from the font

      If anyone who counted how many refugees from the entire former Soviet Union “only recently fed voracious maskals” lived in Russia, your anti-fascists would return to Donbass and expand its territory to the detriment of the rest of Ukraine, well, or they would be bent in the dungeons of the Security Service of Ukraine, well, those working on West will go to work (they need to feed the family) ....
      “Oil and gas producers, furniture makers, car mechanics - home” - and the losses incurred by the disappearance of hundreds of thousands of qualified specialists will amount to hundreds of millions of rubles - if not billions.

      Yes, come on, a holy place does not happen empty ....
      Having expelled, in order to amuse his pride, all the citizens of Ukraine in a row - Russia simply will shoot itself in the foot!

      Why not amuse? In 2008, the Georgians broke off diplomatic relations with us, nothing, without the specialists of the "wide profile" of the Russian Federation, remained and with her leg everything was fine ....
      “And then they will go to demand from the authorities” - and then they will be declared “Putin’s agents”, “sellers”, and troops will be thrown against them at the very first provocation (which the authorities can easily organize).

      Yes, and to hell with them, you suggest me to go to fight for the Ukrainians, a freebie Ukrainian word apparently?
      In short, the author articles as smart as the wrecker that deprived members of the forum to give negative ratings to delusional flows of consciousness like this articles.

      Repeat dear (?) ...
      It’s better to write your article about the benefits of supporting Ukrainian migrant workers by the peoples of the Russian Federation, and we all revered it out of house ....
      1. Phoenix_L'vov
        Phoenix_L'vov 10 November 2017 09: 53 New
        0
        You know, the stupid author of the article is still smarter than you.
        Your "Come on, a holy place does not happen empty ...." speaks of complete ignorance of the Russian economy market. But just think about the question - but instead of four million mentally and spiritually close Slavs, Russia needs four million Asians, different Tajiks and Uzbeks?

        "In 2008, the Georgians broke off diplomatic relations with us, nothing, without the" broad-profile specialists, "the Russian Federation was left" - do not distort, how many Georgians were in Russia to earn money? At least half a million was not? )

        “Yes, to hell with them” - well, you are a cynic who wanted to spit on Russians and Ukrainian citizens who sympathize with Russia, I already understood after your cynical “They will disappear in the dungeons of the Security Service of Ukraine”.

        “It’s better to write your article about the benefits of supporting Ukrainian guest workers by the peoples of the Russian Federation, and we all revered it out of our own hands ...” - why write for people like you if you cannot understand it?
  49. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 10 November 2017 00: 24 New
    0
    The embassy responds from the country and consulate in full force, although we already have an order with that.

    By no means.
    In addition to this, the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations expressly stipulates that R.D. does not entail an automatic breakdown of consular relations.

    https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_law/1933/%D0%
    A0%D0%90%D0%97%D0%A0%D0%AB%D0%92
    Yes, the author "forgot" to mention the Donbass .... what about the people who live there?
    If Ukraine introduces a visa regime with the Russian Federation, as citizens of LDNR, they will travel to the Russian Federation or through the Russian Federation somewhere, because the Russian Federation will not recognize LDNR?
    And how many Russian-Ukrainian treaties will cease to exist from the moment of the breakdown of diplomatic relations, and what about our contingent of troops in the PMR, now if Ukraine blocks our units in the PMR at its border, this will be considered an act of aggression, and in the absence of a breakdown of diplomatic relations because there is no aggression of the Russian Federation, on the contrary it will be considered an act of self-defense ....
    Further, Ukraine leaves the CIS, and the OSCE leaves the PMR contact group, we are left alone without a mandate and on illegal grounds in Moldova, because PMR of the Russian Federation did not recognize ....
    So, the day of the breakdown of diplomatic relations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, gives a chance to be recognized by the LDNR and the PMR ...

    Also, the author "forgot" to clarify one thing, Ukraine is a transit country of goods, goods, services ....
  50. Comrade
    Comrade 10 November 2017 03: 51 New
    0
    Now the worse for Ukraine, the better.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 10 November 2017 07: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Comrade
      Now the worse for Ukraine, the better.

      About nuclear power units of Ukraine, I would not say so peremptorily ...