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US Special Forces vs OSNAZ Russia



If you don’t lie, but tell an unpleasant truth, then anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda also played a significant role - Vidacs in the early 80s convinced many of my comrades of Superman’s invincibility.

Of course, the youth in the Soviet Union corresponded in every way. Forbidden by the Communist Party of Karate, some "secret knowledge" ... Apparently, my dad, in his free time from designing reconnaissance satellites, solved the problem of his son's fascination with Western supermen radically. One day, Uncle Tolya, which was not a perfect day for me, a tall and thin friend of my father, gave me some of my attention.

Today, having survived and lived up to the same years, I have to admit that the father’s companion had little drinking and more than sensible - more and more of a master of sports in tourism from the near cosmic sharashki.

In general, the forty-year-old "old man" (and how to perceive him as a kid?) Deigned to leave his comrades. A brief overview of my accomplishments, like a prize place in judo at republican competitions and something else equally “worthy”, did not cause a smile - he only offered to begin by demonstrating my skills with swords. Fortunately 15-meter corridor "stalinki" allowed ...

Dressed self-made masks on their heads, the young d * Artanyan stood in the position and ... It did not hurt. I just came to myself already on the floor. My nose was bleeding well. And after "Uncle Tolya" poked a sword broke a mask ... I note - fiberglass sword with a protective tip.

In general, the next few years, in practice, I was introduced to how the first officers of the so-called "Army Intelligence Division" were trained in the USSR. Then he got the name "Capture Troops".

Immediately I will clarify, I do not pretend to be omniscience - so told the men who prepared me. And many years later, having already joined the troops of the GRU OSNAZ, I had no reason to doubt their veracity. Probably, and even for sure, there was a prehistory.

Recruited served in the army, mainly with higher education and knowledge of foreign languages. Boxers and weightlifters weed out immediately - runners and swimmers were preferred.

Learned primarily reaction speed and endurance. Weapon kept at the foot of the beds. Running in pitch darkness, shooting at the hearing, the ability to tactilely perceive the environment ... Someone left, shooting his leg while grabbing a pistol from a holster, someone could not stand the heart of 40-kilometer night marches.

On one "beautiful" night, the detachment was alerted and loaded into Annushka. Already in the air bags opened. The task is to "capture and hold the airfield until the ground forces approach." No more introductory.

It should be clarified - there were no parachutes among the ARD fighters, and so did the live ammunition. Behind the windows came August morning 1968 of the year.
When approaching the landing, the pilots of An-12 found out that the strip was blocked by cars. It was decided to open the ramp and carry out a drop in the assault on the "green", parallel to the runway. At a speed of about 200 km / h, the fighters rolled off the open ramp into low grass and went into battle.

By the forces of one company, the airfield was captured without loss and without a single shot. There was one broken arm when landing. A couple of hours after dawn, an airfield passed to Prague Tanks.

The fact that they were in Czechoslovakia and the task was actually combat, the fighters learned already from the prisoners during the operation - even on the maps in the opened packages there were no coordinates and no symbols.

This is just one of many episodes in the uncle Toli combat life. It should be clarified that in a peaceful life this seemingly flimsy, tall and stooped peasant is well over forty, regularly expelled from different sections. His body demanded a “move”, and the coaches could not accept the fact that at the Sambo competitions “Uncle Tolya”, the blow of the rifle was thrown by the blow of May. Realizing that he couldn’t cope with reflexes in contact sports, he took up swords. Kicked out - caught the tip of the opponent's sword with his fingers.

I didn’t have to repeat the experience of my teachers, although (as I suppose) it was they who predetermined my army road, but the fact remains - regardless of the name, our airborne troops, VZ, OSNAZ and other special forces do not fit into the framework of similar foreign units.

We had to get acquainted with educational films, descriptions of the educational process, training and everything that could be learned about the preparation of similar special services in the West. Something the same told the same Afghan (and not only) colleagues, many of whom managed to get degrees West Point or Sandhurst.

Their physical training is not too different from ours. At the same time, the special course remains the weak point, as a rule for 12-16 weeks. Which is considered sufficient to transform any infantry officer in the squad commander of special forces. Amused, already in the civilian world, the stories of comrades who found joint exercises in the years of "warming" in the 90's. Measure the temperature of water in a forced river with a thermometer and refuse to overcome it due to excessively cold water ...

Apparently, all the same, the main difference is precisely in psychological preparation and motivation. You would think to put a thermometer in the water ..?

PS The origins of this attitude to the service should be sought deeper. One of the officers of the "early" generation told how in the last days of the war they were thrown west of Prague to help the Yankee tank regiment that came to be surrounded.

After successfully completing the command, the officers visited the American tank regiment located in the forest. Even decades later, the officer's emotions were going wild. Not a single lost car, no injured. 90% ammunition in stock. There was enough fuel to fill up ten Shermans in tanks for a breakthrough. It was necessary only to transfer 90% tank crews into infantry, leave tanks without fuel in the forest and ...

This is the “Y” of the Yankees.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 9 November 2017 13: 20 New
    17
    Measure the temperature of the water in the forced river with a thermometer and refuse to overcome it due to excessively cold water.
    The costs of democracy.
    1. jjj
      jjj 9 November 2017 13: 27 New
      32
      Piss in diapers in the cold and complain that the testicles freeze - this is also from this series
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 9 November 2017 13: 38 New
        22
        A very instructive story by the author for understanding the moral state and combat training of the personnel of the armed forces of our country at different historical times! And compared to other countries.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 9 November 2017 14: 12 New
          41
          The story is doubtful. Landing at 200 km per hour from an airplane to the ground and 1 broken arm? belay and what did boxers not please with stamina? They have crosses of 15 km in the order of things. And May dumbbell is a direct kick to the body or to the head, it rarely passes, look at the practice of MMA. And in combat sambo competitions, you’ll generally have to wear a helmet net or cuirass. In general, again, we are talking about cap-breaking and the notorious underestimation of the opponent. And the fact that we do not value our life and health ... such a feature laughing
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 9 November 2017 14: 40 New
            15
            Quote: marlin1203
            The story is doubtful. Landing at 200 km per hour from an airplane to the ground and 1 broken arm?


            I confirm - it sounds unrealistic.
            Rather, the board still landed and the guys landed from the ground on the run (70 kilometers permissible), after which the board took off again.
            1. plotnikov561956
              plotnikov561956 9 November 2017 18: 16 New
              +8
              Everything was much more prosaic .. I asked for an emergency landing on the civilian side, where the young sportsmen came from .. and after their work at the Prague airport, they went to land the An-12 with the airborne
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 9 November 2017 19: 07 New
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                I don’t remember the details about the “emergency landing”, but the airfield captured 107 reconnaissance battalion 14 Guards MSD (formerly 9 Guards airborne forces) from the 20 Guards OA GSVG, since the airfield was really blocked by vehicles and they were pulled away by PT-76 tanks. And then, yes, the paratroopers sat down - in a landing way, so to speak. This is stated in the Historical Form 32 of the ORB (previously 107 motorcycle battalion), and my father told me that he was an active participant in those events as a commander of a deep intelligence company.
                1. Bort radist
                  Bort radist 13 November 2017 21: 47 New
                  +1
                  He flew in a carriage with the commander (Mr. Stepanov), he landed the AN-22, there was no fuel to return, only to land, the Czechoslovakians were on the air that they would bring down, sat down at night in the rain, the Czechs cut down all the equipment, our tanks stood along the lane spotlights. This was the second wave. The first landing was gathered in the field, they cordoned off everyone, not any contacts. Each group had a map of Prague and their activist addresses that needed to be blocked. We walked at super low altitudes of 100 - 200 m.
              2. domokl
                domokl 13 November 2017 05: 39 New
                +2
                Quote: plotnikov561956
                Everything was much more prosaic .. requested emergency landing civilian aircraft

                good don't even have to write anything ...
            2. Dedall
              Dedall 9 November 2017 22: 13 New
              +5
              Of course! This is exactly what they recommend doing, moreover, with a running jump backward and then the running speed will neutralize the speed of the vehicle a little. And on the span there was a landing method with a special device such as the sleigh designed by Grokhovsky.
              1. Peter Ivanov
                Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 21: 21 New
                0
                ... Not only!
            3. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 10 November 2017 02: 24 New
              +4
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              Quote: marlin1203
              The story is doubtful. Landing at 200 km per hour from an airplane to the ground and 1 broken arm?


              I confirm - it sounds unrealistic.
              Rather, the board still landed and the guys landed from the ground on the run (70 kilometers permissible), after which the board took off again.

              Most likely it is tryndezh. Starting with the story of how a 40-year-old GRushnik knocked out his friend’s 15-year-old son ...
              1. meandr51
                meandr51 23 March 2018 13: 59 New
                0
                There is a sled for this.
          2. avt
            avt 9 November 2017 15: 23 New
            +8
            Quote: marlin1203
            The story is doubtful. Landing at 200 km per hour from an airplane to the ground and 1 broken arm?

            Well, something like that
            It should be clarified - there were no parachutes among the ARD fighters, and so did the live ammunition. Behind the windows came August morning 1968 of the year.
            When approaching the landing, the pilots of An-12 found out that the strip was blocked by cars. It was decided to open the ramp and carry out a drop in the assault on the "green", parallel to the runway. At a speed of about 200 km / h, the fighters rolled off the open ramp into low grass and went into battle.
            One hundred pound joke. Well, ,, Gini Green "from Grivadius Gorpozhaks, quite a bit from the real war veteran Gorchakov.
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 9 November 2017 18: 04 New
              +6
              Quote: avt
              One hundred pound joke.

              Yes, not the pure truth. Just Uncle Tolya apparently was a man X (x - Russian). Therefore, he was kicked out of sections. And in sparring with young boobies, he did not measure power. Apparently a dumb head hit when he jumped out of an airplane.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 November 2017 18: 45 New
              +6
              Gina Green also remembered right away laughing
            3. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 10 November 2017 00: 05 New
              +8
              Mountains Pozh Aks - Gorchakov, Pozhenyan, Aksyonov. hi
              1. avt
                avt 10 November 2017 09: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: Okolotochny
                Mountains Pozh Aks - Gorchakov, Pozhenyan, Aksyonov.
                If you paint on the post-war graduation in the USA, of the two front-line soldiers like Gorchakov, the “green berets” are more suitable for specialization, and Pozhenyan ... rather this is what the US “rangers” call them. Well, front-line reconnaissance saboteur.
          3. AID.S
            AID.S 9 November 2017 15: 47 New
            +9
            Quote: marlin1203
            The story is doubtful.

            So the story is. So to speak for the education of overgrown. Like about Ilya Muromets.
            Tale is a lie, but a hint in it ..
          4. smart ass
            smart ass 9 November 2017 15: 48 New
            +9
            In vain you started to think and delve into what was written, you had to shout hooray hooray and collect pluses
          5. serge siberian
            serge siberian 9 November 2017 18: 04 New
            +3
            In those days, a colleague, 1968, there was no helmet, no kerasa.
          6. pilot8878
            pilot8878 9 November 2017 20: 02 New
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            Quote: marlin1203
            Landing at 200 km per hour from an airplane to the ground and 1 broken arm?

            Comrades, why are you hooked on a number? If we take into account the fact that the AN-2 CRUISER SPEED is 180 km / h, and the landing speed for different modifications is UP to 85 km / h, then a completely probable story turns out. Well, how did a young guy evaluate speed at night? "Bl ... in, how scary it means 200!"
            1. jaguar
              jaguar 9 November 2017 20: 08 New
              +6
              My dear An-2, do not confuse An-12 with An .........
            2. staviator
              staviator 10 November 2017 10: 16 New
              +2
              And where is the An-2 ramp? Or the An-2 special forces? laughing
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 10 November 2017 14: 26 New
                0
                Quote: staviator
                And where is the An-2 ramp? Or the An-2 special forces?

                Quote: jaguar
                My dear An-2, do not confuse An-12 with An .........

                Questions to the author of this action movie, "Anushka" was called An-2. At first I also thought about the biplane, even re-read it when I reached the ramp
          7. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 9 November 2017 20: 13 New
            +7
            In the days of the USSR on about. The serpentine was ours, let’s call the OSNAZ residents. In their ranks there were no boxers and weightlifters were not there. He spoke with the group commander. 5 people in 8 days passed from Dzhankoy to Sevastopol "destroying" 2 airdromes, anti-ship missiles "Moscow" and the headquarters of the rear of the fleet. We walked around them for 2 hours in the forest. But sailors swam easily. The commander will not lie after a liter.
            1. SSeT
              SSeT 10 November 2017 23: 18 New
              +2
              I affirm your words. "But sailors swam easily." - when a couple of such crawled out of the sea in the evening - I nearly wet myself with fear, I thought what the hell. changed clothes from the bags - and squeezed into the village of girls. I was 10 years old then.
              Well, the locals told a lot
              1. Sasha_Sar
                Sasha_Sar 13 November 2017 15: 44 New
                +3
                I'll try to insert my "three pennies." In the mid-90s, being a nachkar on the “lip” in Severomorsk, he received a “kid” from Kola. Who knows, he will understand. So on the lip he felt like he was on vacation. He prayed that he would be extended. “I’ll even sleep off here,” the fighter was not the first year.
            2. Borgeze
              Borgeze 13 November 2017 21: 42 New
              0
              "To get to the island, located 35 kilometers from the coast, "" Fr. Snake or Fr. May? You can swim, of course, but swim as it happens. The current there is however strong. Something like this.
          8. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 10 November 2017 00: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: marlin1203
            The story is doubtful. Landing at 200 km per hour from an airplane to the ground and 1 broken arm? and what did boxers not please with stamina? They have crosses of 15 km in the order of things. And May dumbbell is a direct kick to the body or to the head, it rarely passes, look at the practice of MMA. And in combat sambo competitions, you’ll have to wear a helmet net or cuirass. In general, again, we are talking about cap-breaking and the notorious underestimation of the opponent. And the fact that we do not value our life and health ... such a feature

            Yeah ...... No, it’s certainly wonderful when folklore goes into the status of traditions, epics and legends, but take this at face value, thank you ...... Surely in any army in the world, there are a dozen other outstanding fighters like in a physical and in a special psychological state, for which the risk is the possibility of adrenaline, without which they can no longer imagine life and at the same time they are accompanied by incredible luck, which is present in the form of a guardian angel moving faster than a bullet or a fragment. This ten is becoming the material for writing such articles, both on the one and the other. The only thing that is encouraging is that our people are really at risk for the idea and out of principle, and those for babosy.
          9. Jamaal Asif
            Jamaal Asif 10 November 2017 01: 38 New
            +1
            As far as I know, sambo competitions are wrestling, not percussion. The use of percussion techniques is prohibited, unless the competition was not in combat (although in the 60s I was not sure that there were such directions).
          10. a1945
            a1945 10 November 2017 07: 25 New
            +2
            The athlete reflexively fights like an athlete, and this is a fight, in May the kettlebell is the shortest leg kick and widespread for the fight, as well as direct in boxing, but I didn’t come across a landing about landing
            1. a1945
              a1945 10 November 2017 07: 26 New
              0
              I will not say (amendment)
            2. marlin1203
              marlin1203 15 January 2018 15: 46 New
              0
              The shortest kick of the leg is with the knee then.
          11. DiKoff
            DiKoff 10 November 2017 11: 39 New
            +1
            Probably the author of the movie has seen enough - Saboteurs - where Galkin and his comrades with An_2 of which in WWII did not exist at all, are thrown into the water in the same way.
          12. avic
            avic 14 November 2017 08: 40 New
            0
            Boxers are good but not everywhere, not here.
            Passes if it's not mma.
            Apparently not from the 200s, ktozh will run in pilots, specify the speed :)
          13. meandr51
            meandr51 23 March 2018 13: 53 New
            0
            I will throw more material for doubt. I worked with one former combat swimmer. He was in Vietnam during the war. He said that during ground operations they were not afraid of the US Green Berets. As they left the district immediately, as soon as they found out about the presence of Soviet special forces. If they came across by chance, then they were beaten very quickly. There were no problems. The problems were with Asians in the service of the United States. "He is light. Give him - he will fly off, jump up - and again on you!"
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            2. Eleider
              Eleider 23 March 2018 18: 17 New
              0
              Quote: meandr51
              As they left the district immediately, as soon as they found out about the presence of Soviet special forces. If they came across by chance, then they were beaten very quickly.

              The storyteller is your "combat" swimmer.
        2. GIN
          GIN 9 November 2017 16: 12 New
          +5
          The storyteller in OSNAZ has mobile units but other radio reconnaissance vehicles do not fight with the margin even though I know 50 km and the assault strip personally passed this lie, if at a speed of 60 km you fall somewhere well if it usually breaks to death
          1. GSPDJGneva
            GSPDJGneva 9 November 2017 17: 50 New
            +4
            Quote: GIN
            The storyteller in OSNAZ has mobile units but other radio reconnaissance tasks do not fight machines with an edge

            Actually, it’s not quite so)) Radio intelligence is the essence of Osnaz, but ..............))))))))))))) The question is in the additional company of "signalmen" and dowry helicopters. As far as I remember, only 1 company per army. These "signalmen", and in fact "reconnaissance saboteurs" in the event of the outbreak of hostilities, are thrown over the front line with the aim of disrupting enemy communications. In simple terms: you see the telephone wire - cut it, you see the radio point - make it shut up.
            In the article, of course, crap with landing at 200 km / h. And one more more significant (as an error in the methodology) - swimmers were not taken, they can not run
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 November 2017 19: 09 New
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              Osnaz - intelligence saboteurs? belay An evening of humor is just laughing
              1. GSPDJGneva
                GSPDJGneva 15 November 2017 05: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Doliva63
                Osnaz - intelligence saboteurs? belay An evening of humor is just laughing

                The author recalls the post-war years, and then there were parts special purpose
                Google Osnaz NKVD, OMSBON, OOON NKGB, UN MGB
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 9 November 2017 22: 24 New
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            Quote: GIN
            if at a speed of 60 km you fall somewhere well, if only it usually breaks to death

            True, I myself wasn’t from OSNAZ, although I had many friends who served in the brigade in Torgau, but as a former, I’ll say: 60 km / h is the usual speed to leave a vehicle in training, for 4 years there were 2 injuries - dislocation of the shoulder and bruised foot.
            1. pvs512
              pvs512 10 November 2017 18: 20 New
              +2
              According to V. Suvorov in the book "Aquarium", they were trained in the GRU special forces to jump from a train at 60 km / h. Some unique ones jumped at 90 km / h and remained alive.
              1. Peter Ivanov
                Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 21: 19 New
                +1
                In the stove "works" of this freak!
                1. pvs512
                  pvs512 23 November 2017 19: 31 New
                  +1
                  What did the traitor of the Motherland V. Rezun not please? He talks about his service in the USSR Armed Forces quite intelligibly.
                  1. Peter Ivanov
                    Peter Ivanov 5 December 2017 11: 04 New
                    0
                    Not enough to discuss this! In the shackles of him! And forget forever!
                    1. pvs512
                      pvs512 11 December 2017 19: 41 New
                      0
                      We are discussing not him, but the training of special forces soldiers.
                      1. Peter Ivanov
                        Peter Ivanov 12 December 2017 15: 29 New
                        0
                        Stupidity, for this a lot of materials and without this bastard - Rezun!
        3. Peter Ivanov
          Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 21: 18 New
          +5
          The son of a friend returned after a year of urgent spring 2016-2017. Guard, Moscow V. Okr. Clothing allowance: (I saw it myself on the Oath and went to the unit later): outfits from Taburetkin (!) And shoes (one! A pair of boots for a year) and summer and winter uniforms, only worn out gloves and a hat of the VKBO (bought throughout Moscow !!!) they gave out junk and small ... On this basis, he and his colleagues were repeatedly delayed by “red berets” and asked why they were so equipped in a “mixed style and in junk”?
          A large number of pneumonia diseases. In Our Soviet era, I don’t remember this, and even rumors! But I served in PV.
          Combat training !: Only TE two weeks on the KMB with live firing, 6 partons, single, AK-74M. On tactical training: The actions of a soldier in battle - the dark forest - NOTHING, including not dug in and out of the tank, nor any combat grenade throwing! EVERYTHING!!! No more combat training! After breakfast in the company, sitting on stools, in notebooks we made some notes on (!) "Love for the Motherland", A. Nevsky and more !!! They worked with military equipment, only ... they cleaned and washed cleaning up for the winter. They did NOT STUDY the regular military equipment, DO NOT LEARN TO IT, DO NOT SHOOT FROM IT, DO NOT KNOW IT - BMP-3!
          I OFFER !!! In view of all of the above, I think that conscripts can be safely transferred to a six-month service life. They have nothing to do there! Since such things are happening, and I will remind you of this in the Red Banner Moscow Military District, in the Guard!
          PS. Nutrition: Thank S. Shoigu normal and versatile, though in Our Soviet era, after the service, the young man-Soviet did not fit into his old clothes! I’m not meeting the first “demobilization” today after the army in pre-Army dressing! There are fewer calories or ersatz products I don’t know.
          Medicine: S. Shoigu restored and restores, inshallah, that the guy did not serve under Taburetkin! Today they invest and invest in hospital matters, be damned before all the cattle Taburetkin - destroy!
          I have the honor!
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    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 9 November 2017 18: 43 New
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      Whether it’s a matter of the costs of socialism, we were informed in advance of the weather on the route, including the temperature of water barriers. The current velocity and depth, as well as the nature of the coast in general, were printed on paper in a printing house - the map was called laughing
    4. Igor Akimov
      Igor Akimov 9 November 2017 21: 30 New
      +2
      I would correct you a little - crap!
    5. privateer2000
      privateer2000 9 November 2017 23: 10 New
      +1
      yes chef, I agree. KS2000
    6. Maz
      Maz 11 November 2017 13: 10 New
      +5
      Shaw is, that is. A man of about eighty falls in an Israeli supermarket, lies. Who do you think first ran up to him? Is an Israelite thoroughbred Jew? Nah, in different directions, like sparrows splashed and grabbed the phones. Tolik ran up from Odessa. Hebrew is zero, but he served in the USSR army in the Airborne Forces. He provided first aid, a man survived. Tolik was awarded - fired. Bo should not be touched by anyone dying, except for certified medical personnel, even die on the floor.
      1. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 21: 54 New
        0
        With such "rewards" in the west, you can get to Turma!
    7. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 13 March 2018 12: 29 New
      +1
      Kull story, Bro ... Especially if the person "involved" does not understand the difference between Special Forces and Special Forces. I hope he had a knife filled with red mercury ???
  2. 210ox
    210ox 9 November 2017 13: 26 New
    +4
    Thanks for the article. Let me read to my sons ..
    1. privateer2000
      privateer2000 9 November 2017 23: 11 New
      0
      ayakomu.aga.seh amomu.no honor KS2000
  3. Glory1974
    Glory1974 9 November 2017 13: 42 New
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    It was decided to open the ramp and carry out the landing on the "green", parallel to the runway. At a speed of about 200 km / h, the soldiers rolled down from the open ramp into low grass and went into battle.

    41 year. Battle for Moscow. A landing party was sent to land on the airfield to liquidate the breakthrough of German troops. When approaching the airfield, it turned out that he was captured by the enemy. It was decided to jump into the snowdrifts, there were no parachutes. About 20% were killed and injured upon landing, the rest completed the task, the breakthrough was liquidated.
    "Nails would be made of these people,
    wouldn’t be stronger in the world of nails. "
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 9 November 2017 13: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: glory1974
      41 years old. Battle for Moscow. The landing party was sent to land on the airfield to liquidate the breakthrough of German troops. When approaching the airfield, it turned out that he was captured by the enemy. It was decided to jump into the snowdrifts, there were no parachutes.

      Already discussed this topic, there was no such landing. Try to find the source for this yourself.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 23 March 2018 14: 19 New
      +1
      "Mozhaisk landing."
  4. Tsoy
    Tsoy 9 November 2017 13: 52 New
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    It should be clarified - there were no parachutes among the ARD fighters, and so did the live ammunition. Behind the windows came August morning 1968 of the year.
    When approaching the landing, the pilots of An-12 found out that the strip was blocked by cars. It was decided to open the ramp and carry out a drop in the assault on the "green", parallel to the runway. At a speed of about 200 km / h, the fighters rolled off the open ramp into low grass and went into battle.
    A single company was captured by the airfield without loss and without a single shot. There was one broken arm during landing. A couple of hours after dawn, tanks passed by the airfield to Prague.


    I am terribly sorry of course, but to put it mildly I can’t believe it. Sent without ammunition and parachutes to seize the airfield? wassat This type of generals in the USSR are fools, and soldiers flint what? And what about the interview with Lev Gorelov, the then commander of the 7 Airborne Division, which seemed to be capturing the airfield? Or were there several? In the sense of airfields. And what are the US troops near Prague surrounded? After the Prague offensive, the SS Obergruppenführer, who led the remnants of the Nazis, asked for a surrender from the US Army 3. They apparently surrounded them to surrender.
  5. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 9 November 2017 13: 56 New
    +2
    Yes, and the hedgehog understands that the Yankees against the Russian man - "there is nothing and nothing can be called." Mattress is still at a lower stage of development. Almost animals, what to take from them ...
  6. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 9 November 2017 13: 58 New
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    Thank you very much for the article, Michael.
    In the days of my youth, in the 70's, I was very happy to learn the art of pistol shooting with a wonderful trainer - the Great Patriotic paratrooper. When viewed from the side, it was not clear what we were doing. The training included “exercises with a partner” (to put it mildly), cross-country courses, acrobatics, orientation, “hooliganism in the shooting range” (shooting from a belt level on a swinging bank). And the result was not only the highest sportsmanship, but also the real education of the boys. As future defenders of the country. This is without pathos, just from the heart.
  7. verner1967
    verner1967 9 November 2017 14: 08 New
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    Something or "uncle step" lied or storyteller. OSNAZ is radio intelligence, and those parts about which this "uncle" told SpetsNaz. Without ammunition, no one was brought into Czechoslovakia and at a speed of 200 km / h they were not dropped without parachutes. They jumped from ramps from taxiing aircraft, yes, it was, but not at a speed of 200, rather 20, and even that is a lot. A story for amusing the pride of the Uri-patriots. A year or two ago, information went through the internet that several soldiers drowned during NATO exercises and were forced to force the reservoir in winter conditions. And if they measure the temperature of the water, then they’ll do it right. Such an exercise will not teach anything, but you can kill people
    1. creak
      creak 9 November 2017 15: 13 New
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      The most reliable story is how the author, as a boy, fenced with an adult "Uncle Tolya", and everything else is worth publishing in "Pioneer Truth" because VO is not pioneers who are ready to listen to all sorts of bikes with their mouths open, as well as adult uncles who know army service not according to the stories of acquaintances and also able to "fencing".
      In short, the Prague airport was hijacked by the 7th Airborne Forces paratroopers aboard a passenger plane requesting an emergency landing from the dispatcher. After the capture of the KDP transport aircraft began to land at intervals of 1-2 minutes. The paratroopers left the plane before they stopped completely at the taxi to quickly free the runway, but not at an altitude of 200 meters .... Later, two more airfields were captured ...
      Divorced hat-hackers, confusing SPECIALIZATION with OCHNAZ, why only lay out such amateurish revelations for all to see ...
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 9 November 2017 15: 54 New
        10
        Quote: ranger
        The most reliable is the story of how the author, as a boy, fenced with an adult "Uncle Tolya"

        And even then it is doubtful what kind of DB it is to be in order to put a son against a master who started the fight with an injection in his face. Well, the blow came in the nose, and next to it because the eyes.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 9 November 2017 20: 35 New
      +6
      Special Forces - it was so called special forces in the USSR, when the word special forces had not yet been. Very entertaining naming conventions in a "true" story are found. There is only a lack of a Technical School ... Well, let me remind commentators - it’s not customary to talk about REAL operations even in their own unit to children who did not take part.
      1. Cresta999
        Cresta999 20 March 2018 15: 20 New
        +1
        As an OSNA, I can assure you that this is not true. And from the moment of its foundation, OCHNAZ was called OCHNAZ. It has nothing to do with SWAT, except that during operation, both SWAT and Airborne Forces guard the Special Forces. No need to come up with stories about the USSR. Everything written only concerns the base of the GRU GSH. OCHNAZ is engaged in intelligence. Radio, electronic, radio engineering, etc. The VO audience is becoming more frustrated.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 20 March 2018 16: 10 New
          0
          You served in the cover section. It’s also a tradition - groups leaving for tasks are often disguised as signalmen among our contingents. Tales can not be invented, there were a lot of things that are cooler than any tales.
          1. Cresta999
            Cresta999 20 March 2018 17: 22 New
            +1
            You are talking blatant nonsense. Sorry for being blunt.
        2. Peter Ivanov
          Peter Ivanov 21 March 2018 12: 12 New
          +1
          You are right, but not completely!
          Even under Felix Dzerzhinsky, the division of internal troops named after him: Troops - ON-DON Division or Special Forces OGPU USSR, plus remember the legendary OMSBON brigade ... extreme OH abbreviations are deciphered as Special Forces (also abbreviated) Special Purpose ...
          With KGB greetings!
        3. meandr51
          meandr51 23 March 2018 14: 25 New
          0
          I confirm. A friend of mine served in 62 in the naval OCHNAZ on a trawler converted to a radio reconnaissance vessel. There was no armament.
    3. DiKoff
      DiKoff 10 November 2017 11: 50 New
      0
      yes, probably the author thinks that the word Special is much lower than Special, and probably jumped out of the car on the move at a speed of 200 km / h and at the same time only broke his arm.
  8. novel66
    novel66 9 November 2017 14: 56 New
    13
    something figured on his knee - energy is equivalent to falling from 154 meters ??? as one movie character used to say

    "think when you cast bullets!"
  9. Bat
    Bat 9 November 2017 15: 43 New
    +3
    M1, brother, I agree with you by 10000%. He served himself, I know not by hearsay.
    And my tribe, in theirs, served as a Special Forces commander .... one scream.
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  11. jungler
    jungler 9 November 2017 16: 16 New
    +5
    Hmm ... an interesting story ... like Harry Harrison ... the current is Special Forces - it's saboteurs - scouts .. and the Special Forces are EW and RTR ... that is. TOTALLY another kind of activity ... CONCLUSION - the author is not in the subject ... that is, a liar ...
  12. GIN
    GIN 9 November 2017 16: 19 New
    +1
    Army Intelligence Division The word division has never been used in our army
    1. creak
      creak 9 November 2017 18: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: GIN
      the word division has never been used in our army

      It may not have been used in yours, but in the Red Army and the SA — it was also used as widely — in the Navy, cavalry and artillery — this is so offhand. Learn materiel .. hi
    2. DiKoff
      DiKoff 10 November 2017 11: 53 New
      +1
      Another connoisseur .. to catch up with the author .. in which army did not serve?

      For example, the organizational and staffing structure of the motorized rifle regiment in the USSR Armed Forces in the mid-1980s was as follows:

      division headquarters and separate platoons with it:
      platoon of the regiment’s chief of artillery (vuna),
      division platoon (wood),
      supply platoon (in),
      divisional medical center (dmp);
      self-propelled artillery battery (sabater) which included:
      control platoon (wu),
      two firing platoons (s), three 2C1 units in each;
      two howitzer artillery batteries (gabatra) each of which included:
      control platoon (wu),
      two firing platoons (s), three units of 122-mm howitzers D-30 each,
      traction compartment (drivers compartment) (from / s).
  13. Clone
    Clone 9 November 2017 17: 14 New
    +8
    I won’t argue about the number of broken limbs, since I didn’t land in the way indicated in the article ... but there are doubts about the absence of folded head side. Bo, even dismounting with a bronic on the move presented "some" unpleasant surprises. Okay. Personally, the phrase "...our fighters of the ARD, VZ, OSNAZ and other special forces do not fit into the framework of foreign similar units... "What do you mean" do not fit "? In my harsh army youth it was believed that" not fit in ... "meant" not to comply with the standard. "Is it different now?
    We wondered then and now, he looked at theirs standards on physical ... However, our "foreign partners" in this regard lag behind. Or on equal terms, although there is a difference in approaches ... In practice, the paper displays the requirements for cadets somewhere in the third year of an ordinary combined arms school. I will not argue, purely my opinion.
    An exception is Chinese specialty. There is something transcendental, if, indeed, feasible. Recently, there was an article on this subject ...
    Well, about the selection of "candidates" ... each has its own methods and features. While serving in a separate reconnaissance battalion, the advantage was given to those who drew well, had excellent marks in the Russian language and literature. Then it was physically evaluated. The "concrete masons" were weeded out.
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 9 November 2017 19: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Clone
      While serving in a separate reconnaissance battalion, the advantage was given to those who drew well, had excellent marks in the Russian language and literature.

      so intelligence is the intelligentsia, and special forces are the dugouts, so the intelligence commander briefly explained the difference between them
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 10 November 2017 13: 26 New
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        Quote: verner1967
        so intelligence is the intelligentsia, and special forces are the dugouts, so the intelligence commander briefly explained the difference between them

        Tin! The people, if not in the know (they themselves did not serve), why post all nonsense?
        Have you seen the staff of the current intelligence (regimental, as I understand it)? The old one was not much different, if that. And what about the staff of the Army company of SpN? Take a look and you will see where more creativity and personal initiative is required, and where less. The former reconnaissance airborne companies can be compared with the special forces a little, but they were designed for a range of up to 100-300 km., And the SPR Special Forces - 300-500. Those. the degree of independence is immeasurably higher. About brigades and not goaoryu, it laid the distance from the troops per 1000 km. Will Dubolom survive in such autonomy? And also the task must be completed, however. So do not get excited. Another moment. True, I served in the Armed Forces of the USSR, but we tried not to take a saloon, which stands out as a collection - more and more average growth + a little. The basic requirements are intelligence, endurance, and the ability to adapt in different situations. Teach the rest laughing
        And yes, I forgot to add: special forces are, first of all, intelligence! In mind, it’s called that -
        special intelligence, i.e., the same, but with some perversions laughing Therefore, I celebrate one professional holiday on November 5.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 10 November 2017 17: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Doliva63
          why post all nonsense?

          Quote: Doliva63
          So do not get excited.

          Quote: Doliva63
          so the intelligence commander briefly explained the difference between them

          this is the first
          secondly, I don’t know how it was under the USSR, but I just served in the infantry brigade, it included a reconnaissance battalion and a company of special forces, I had the honor to communicate with representatives of both divisions, but they are different in intelligence (not in favor of specialists). According to the tasks they performed, they were also different, whom the special forces were to fill up, but finding someone to fill up (and at the operational development level) was intelligence. And yes
          Quote: Doliva63
          Dubolom

          it’s not in the sense of dumb, just more physical development than intelligence. Once again, this is a single infantry brigade. Happy holiday to you!
        2. Serzh
          Serzh 13 November 2017 04: 20 New
          +2
          45 OPSpN, 2 reconnaissance.
          As a special forces scout, I’ll say that if measured in km, then we were prepared for being thrown deep behind enemy lines and destruction facilities — the level of strategic missile silos — moreover, from complex work with the population to the ability to find the location of classified objects by indirect signs from the map. knowledge of the enemy’s materiel. There were boxers, but mostly a fighter of our regiment - of average height or slightly higher, with excellent stamina, able to make decisions independently. And yes - I did not quite understand the gradation of the mouth. Our training meant working as part of a combat troika - as a self-sufficient combat unit for the task. And yes - we are all suicide bombers, because we were supposed to be bullied from the deep rear, but even we soldiers could understand that it was almost impossible to arrive at the designated place at the designated time, but there was always "Plan B" - moving to the side front lines, destroying the infrastructure of the enemy and causing maximum damage. Saboteurs, in short.
          1. Serzh
            Serzh 13 November 2017 04: 24 New
            +1
            And here is a short excerpt from the history of the creation of our battalion - for those who were reckoned with by OCHNAZ.
            "218th Special Purpose Airborne Assault Battalion


            In 1972, as part of the Airborne Forces, the 778th separate special-purpose radio rotation was formed, numbering 85 people. The main task of this unit was to drive airborne assault to the drop-out point, for which the groups of this company had to land ahead of the enemy rear and deploy the drive equipment there. In 1975, the company was reorganized into the 778th OR REP, and in February 1980 - into the 899th separate special-purpose company of 117 people. In 1988, the 899th Special Operations Command was reorganized into the 899th Special Forces Company (with a staff of 105 people) as part of the 196th Airborne Forces Special Operations Command. The company was later deployed to the 218th Separate Air Assault Battalion. "
  14. GSPDJGneva
    GSPDJGneva 9 November 2017 17: 54 New
    0
    Quote: GIN
    Army Intelligence Division The word division has never been used in our army

    The author was a little mistaken. The word "division" should sound like "sabotage"
  15. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 9 November 2017 17: 56 New
    +5
    I understand the purpose of the article .. I approve .. On the whole .. Well, at least they have gone too much .. The main thing is to go in the right direction ..)
    Py.Sy. Some of the above can be done ..)
    1. DiKoff
      DiKoff 10 November 2017 11: 57 New
      0
      for example to break a hand .. agree?
  16. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 November 2017 18: 13 New
    +3
    Uryayayayaaa!
    I don’t know about the water in the river, but without live ammunition to capture the airport FIG, who from the West would go ... I would too.
  17. Blue fox
    Blue fox 9 November 2017 18: 18 New
    10
    The lubok is the wildest. Had experience with a pros mercenary from a country of delicious heroin trained by guys from Fort Benning. Many colleagues will not let you lie that from this contingent it is not so easy to mold a fighter using sophisticated equipment and devices, just like the mentality and insufficient level of education interfere. So it was a seasoned enemy, trained from and to technically and trained in skillful tactics on the construction of mine-explosive barriers. Moreover, the ways of laying on the road landmines from improvised means of the time of the Afghan war were creatively finalized by his instructors, taking into account the use of modern technical means. And the standards for leaving the mining area in order to avoid detection when combing and flying around with helicopters used to train cadets as instructors were very, very personal, according to my more special colleagues. So the guys are grated and they can’t even throw them with cast-iron budennovki.
    1. Abel
      Abel 9 November 2017 21: 28 New
      +6
      That's right at the training exercises, in my opinion in Kazakhstan, the American team left after a 10 km march. Motivation: they came to exchange experiences, not die. Maybe that's why they don’t come to tank biathlon
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 10 November 2017 02: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Abel
        That's right at the training exercises, in my opinion in Kazakhstan, the American team left after a 10 km march. Motivation: they came to exchange experiences, not die. Maybe that's why they don’t come to tank biathlon

        Marins has a march of 30 km ...
        1. DiKoff
          DiKoff 10 November 2017 12: 12 New
          +2
          And we have 100 for 2 days in full gear and in the mountains, with a glimpse on the ice of Sunzhi (Chechnya) at - 20C - and run 5 km in the morning - or you survived or a corpse. As our commander explained to us, what Suvorov did with 10000 soldiers at the Battle of Rymnik when they came to the aid of the Austrians surrounded by Turks and attacked, breaking through a defense of the same depth !! and we only had the strength to get into the kamazs - I personally couldn’t get down on my own, upon arrival at the unit))) the team was most pleased when we stood up after landing at the base and crawled to the location of: Rota !! forces were not even neighing .....
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 10 November 2017 13: 51 New
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            In the 89th, in a day we went through the mountains of 80 km with something. - break away from the persecution. It was something! The soldiers disarmed in the arms, shot at the ceiling twice from stupefaction. Even the officers were none, coma 1-2. And the next day - a sports festival, football,. At that time, I ran 13 km every morning when I had the opportunity. A special thrill was - at noon, under the sun, "cut" 5-6 km. By intersection. For the "flight", I remember a machine gunner with a PC twice 6 km. I ran with a machine gun in a row - nothing, alive. Oh, damn it, the army - my love and youth drinks
            1. meandr51
              meandr51 23 March 2018 14: 41 New
              0
              I have familiar tourists aged 55-75 years skiing on a good ski 50-100 km per day. Without skis in summer, 30% less. One friend, a well-known team leader,
              recently skied 200 km in 14 hours in a ring in the Radonezh region. Guinness, however, was not invited ... They do not care.
    2. DiKoff
      DiKoff 10 November 2017 12: 00 New
      +3
      I also had experience communicating with specialists from there: first, they have very well trained pros who for money (large) solve almost any problem and the truth about cast-iron budenovki: they will not help here.
    3. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 21: 59 New
      0
      So I say, less bravado! The real enemy is cunning and crafty and prepared no worse than ours. Swam ...
  18. Doliva63
    Doliva63 9 November 2017 18: 38 New
    +8
    This tin! laughing For the comment to be published (it came out too short), I repeat - this tin! laughing
  19. Doliva63
    Doliva63 9 November 2017 18: 53 New
    16
    BASIS
    On November 13, 1918, the first radio intelligence unit, the reception and control station in Serpukhov, was established as part of the Registration Department, its head was Kh. Ivanov. And in the 30s. Radio intelligence gained independence - its units were withdrawn from communication units and transferred to the Intelligence Directorate of the Headquarters of the Red Army, where they organized a radio intelligence department. He led separate special-purpose divisions (OSNAZ ORD), which during the years of World War II became the main organizational unit of radio intelligence.
    Prior to the collapse of the USSR, the OSNAZ detachments were subordinate to the 1st radio intelligence department of the 6th GRU Directorate.
  20. Webcelerator
    Webcelerator 9 November 2017 19: 45 New
    +5
    What kind of nonsense? OsNaz GRU - radio intelligence. I went through an emergency there.
    1. vlad48
      vlad48 9 November 2017 20: 28 New
      +3
      OsNaz is indeed a radio intelligence, but here the article also speaks of US special forces and, accordingly, of our Russian special forces. Perhaps the title of the article made an elementary mistake or a typo of the editor, as the author in the article speaks specifically about the special forces of the GRU of the RF Ministry of Defense.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 10 November 2017 13: 52 New
        +8
        The article is complete nonsense, forgive me the author for directness.
    2. Abel
      Abel 9 November 2017 21: 24 New
      +3
      What year? Osnaz - GRU special forces during the war
  21. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 9 November 2017 19: 47 New
    +3
    The Russian Army is the strongest in the WORLD !!!!
  22. vlad48
    vlad48 9 November 2017 20: 19 New
    +2
    Great article. It is correctly said about the training of special forces soldiers: this is psychological preparation, this is physical training to the extent possible, and together with what has been said it is the highest fighting spirit and patriotism of a Russian person (in the broad sense, a Russian citizen regardless of his nationality: whether it is Tatar, Buryat or Yakut or someone else of a different nationality).
    1. Al Bychkov
      Al Bychkov 10 November 2017 13: 09 New
      +2
      I agree, a potentially fragile woman is able to lift 800 kg of concrete slab, and the child is able to fill up the boar, the whole secret in psychology. it is possible and through a two-meter fence with a PCM and other canopies to swing from the swing, in one jump. the whole secret lies in the unconscious motivation for such an impulse.
      1. Serzh
        Serzh 13 November 2017 22: 16 New
        +1
        ))
        I personally watched as a shepherd of 65-70 years old in a long cloak and hat, fleeing from an angry bull, jumped a two-meter concrete fence in one jump! At the same time, I did not lose a whip or a hat)
        Here it is - pure water motivation)
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 23 March 2018 14: 45 New
          +1
          I believe. History from youth. A friend in front of his eyes jumped over such a fence with a coffee table, which he had privatized in a broken shop window. From the cops fleeing. Cops could not.
  23. Holoy
    Holoy 9 November 2017 20: 26 New
    +2
    The Yankees are not capable ...
    The ur-assertion about the Yankees completely kills ... Frankly! We are still far away from the Yankees! And in the conditions of Russia, MTR is not really possible to raise to the level of the USA ...
    1. Abel
      Abel 9 November 2017 21: 22 New
      11
      [quote = lackey] lackey today, 20:26 New
      The Yankees are not capable ...
      The ur-assertion about the Yankees completely kills ... Frankly! We are still far away from the Yankees! And in the conditions of Russia, MTR is not really possible to raise to the level of the USA ...
      Remove the letter "a" from your nickname. Believe me, the American special forces are not so scary as they paint him.
    2. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 10 November 2017 20: 12 New
      +2
      How do you know what is not realistic to raise? VUS number write your
    3. meandr51
      meandr51 23 March 2018 14: 46 New
      +1
      If the level of salaries - then yes!
  24. Santor
    Santor 9 November 2017 20: 40 New
    14
    Hmm ... The author apparently learned to write from Kozma Prutkov .... So much to draw from the fact that they are checked for one or two ...

    From their own - a keifor hammer machine exploded in Kosovo ... yes, so not only the engine and front wheels were scattered, but it was also thrown off the slope. We arrived just when the guys from the Bundes pulled out their wounded and both dead from the bottom .. And the Yankees stood on the sidelines .... I later asked the Germans (Russians), they said, you later arrived ... The Americans explained everything simply - they were waiting for sappers , they say, it was suddenly mined there (in principle they turned out to be right, there were bookmarks there). And those who suffered themselves are to blame, since they violated all conceivable security measures and instructions. And they can’t be without sappers. Happen what - no insurance and families will not be paid. Because there is no official zone of the database ... I asked - guys, what if the war? They say - there are no questions, of course they would not even think ... There are other requirements and other provisions. Then I heard this story in a different way - the essence of which the ssykuns fell asleep to climb after their wounded ... And in some stories our brave paratroopers pulled them out like that. They have good training, and commanders are fully responsible for everyone. Therefore, if they doubt the outcome of the battle, they may not enter into it. And they are justified.

    You can not treat such adversaries with the enemy. This is not respectful. if you don’t respect the enemy, it means that you have already lost the first phase.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 November 2017 13: 58 New
      +8
      I agree. But intelligence does not fight intelligence (usually). Of course, we looked at what and how they have prepared, but only with the aim of expanding their horizons, so to speak. And so - fuck who they are and what. We have our own tasks, we must fulfill them, the rest is the lyrics, in my opinion.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 23 March 2018 14: 50 New
      0
      Right. But take into account and use their weaknesses is necessary. They are doing the same for us.
  25. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 9 November 2017 21: 06 New
    +3
    It’s sad that they didn’t take the boxers, apparently because they were too smart .. I don’t know about the swords, but one young karateka told me in 1983 that he had been pestering the KGB specialist for a long time asking him to show something from combat sambo. He thought for a long time, and then he says beat me! The blow, care, and the KGB specialist’s hand passed through the karateka’s throat and he was immediately blown away. And uncle said to him: actually I should have pulled out an Adam's apple, but I didn’t finish the reception ... Do you say Rambo? Heh! drinks
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 10 November 2017 01: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Dzafdet
      The blow, care, and the KGB specialist’s hand passed through the karateka’s throat and he was immediately blown away.

      this is not combat sambo .. ji-jitsu. WE, when we were going to Cuba on a steamboat, the future commander of the 14th center was on board with us. G. Mayor .. I don’t remember my last name .. Well .. such a thing .. with such superiors nefig the soldiers should relax .. And they sent everyone to classes, attached to each group of officers. We got such a small stature, lean .. summer 30 .. What kind of specials did he not report to us .. But the first thing he said in the lesson .. Everyone who was engaged in any kind of martial arts in a civilian forget the most important installation, which you were constantly hammered. Forget about the safety net ... throw it ... in full swing with fine-tuning, so that the bones crack ... We are damn 18 years old ... I used to go in sambo ... if I let go of the kimono before the enemy fell on the carpet .. you’ll hear enough of this .. In general, 10 days he worked with us .. at the end he said .. If the time comes to fight for life, use everything .. nails, teeth .. all that you have. Well, I showed a couple of combinations .. for tea parties .. how to knock a person out with three movements .. After the army I used them .. several times, but each time it was somehow uncomfortable .. It’s better to cut two legs from sambo .. It’s before you comrade .. Jerk your hand and swing your legs .. Comrade falls under your feet ..))) Very impressive ..

      ON 0.14 .. the beginning of one of the triples .. The third blow in the groin ..
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 10 November 2017 07: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: dvina71
        this is not combat sambo .. ji-jitsu.

        combat sambo is a set of the most effective martial arts techniques (including jiu-jitsu), because it appeared later than everyone else.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 November 2017 02: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      It’s sad that they didn’t take the boxers, apparently because they were too smart .. I don’t know about the swords, but one young karateka told me in 1983 that he had been pestering the KGB specialist for a long time asking him to show something from combat sambo. He thought for a long time, and then he says beat me! The blow, care, and the KGB specialist’s hand passed through the karateka’s throat and he was immediately blown away. And uncle said to him: actually I should have pulled out an Adam's apple, but I didn’t finish the reception ... Do you say Rambo? Heh! drinks

      There are many such tales
      A karate master came to a wushu master ...
  26. Abel
    Abel 9 November 2017 21: 19 New
    +2
    And what about the refusal of military exits in Afghanistan due to the lack of Coca-Cola?
  27. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 9 November 2017 21: 28 New
    +2
    What AN is the stall speed at the ground of 200 km? Less than 100 - I believe, and 200 and more - these are special bikes. But these are details of the operation of the SA in Czechoslovakia in 1968 (from my cadet graduation in 1965, several lieutenants-graduates of the VOKU already got there), and the main digit is approx. 4000 of our fellows returned in a cargo of 200 until 1971. For what? To bring Dubcekovites to the “party court”? To settle “Gorbachevites” in the Kremlin in 1985, and Yeltsiniks in 1992? Our valiant special officers have the right to ask their valiant generals for such stories.
    1. TARAS BULBA
      TARAS BULBA 9 November 2017 22: 33 New
      +4
      Hmm "p ... wait - do not toss bags" and about the story and about 4000 of ours. All from the opera "I said one tank." Adults and such nonsense from "mouth to mouth" convey and others hanging ears with delight listen)))
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 November 2017 14: 33 New
      +9
      In order to “bring the Dubcekovites to the party court,” a full-time reconnaissance unit from the 20 Guards OA of the GSVG was involved, reinforced by officers participating in the Second World War who took part in the liberation of Czechoslovakia from fascism, even the commander was replaced. There were no casualties among the personnel. "Special Officers" received awards (including weapons), they had no questions for the authorities. The soldiers then brought 20 kilograms of cherries to us, the children, and the flowers of the mother. Tie with an alternative story.
  28. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 November 2017 22: 16 New
    +1
    AUTHOR: If you don’t lie, but tell an unpleasant truth, then anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda also played a significant role - Vidacs in the early 80s convinced many of my comrades of Superman’s invincibility.
    Well, my condolences, and the semolina to the survivors, in the ward. Che, everyone has already galloped away, so why ..
    And Uncle Tolya, so this is YOU, only asleep and YOU WANT TO WAKE UP. And so it’s no worse, definitely.
    Do not understand? Oh well. Ilya Muromets on the stove 32 or 33, and you?
    C'mon, and less often, I also dream of getting up from the sofa, uh .... In short, I’ll defend the edge, but Moscow, I have to think again, what’s there for the snowdrift?
  29. OlegLex
    OlegLex 9 November 2017 23: 39 New
    +3
    My good friend, she is my former classmate, the daughter of an officer, like all women, dreamed of getting married, and what do you think she married, an American. I lived there for about a dozen years, made children, and after the death of my husband returned to Russia, we met and got into a conversation, so I want to give one example that I especially sunk into the soul of her life. They lived in the southern states where there are a large number of seasonal workers, according to our scourges. so one day when she was alone with her children at home, three "declared" to visit her, to rob. This happened periodically in their small town, and the police usually arrived much later when they were called either by the victims themselves after either vigilant neighbors, but it was always later and people always suffered losses of both material and physical nature. So, Svetka was telling what her evil took on these nerds that she first beat them so hard to understand and then tied them with a clothesline and only after that called the police. They arrived, were very surprised, took the lumpen, briefly questioned her and mumbled. Three days later, she was summoned to court and rolled up a sour fine for the illegal use of the police’s right to arrest. He says that he and her husband got into a loan to pay a fine. And the neighbors have since stopped talking to her and considered them crazy Russian. Here is such a mentality - when you are raped, try to at least relax, maybe you can enjoy it, American style. So what about the thermometer and icy water not a damn amazing
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 November 2017 02: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: OlegLex
      My good friend, she is my former classmate, the daughter of an officer, like all women, dreamed of getting married, and what do you think she married, an American. I lived there for about a dozen years, made children, and after the death of my husband returned to Russia, we met and got into a conversation, so I want to give one example that I especially sunk into the soul of her life. They lived in the southern states where there are a large number of seasonal workers, according to our scourges. so one day when she was alone with her children at home, three "declared" to visit her, to rob. This happened periodically in their small town, and the police usually arrived much later when they were called either by the victims themselves after either vigilant neighbors, but it was always later and people always suffered losses of both material and physical nature. So, Svetka was telling what her evil took on these nerds that she first beat them so hard to understand and then tied them with a clothesline and only after that called the police. They arrived, were very surprised, took the lumpen, briefly questioned her and mumbled. Three days later, she was summoned to court and rolled up a sour fine for the illegal use of the police’s right to arrest. He says that he and her husband got into a loan to pay a fine. And the neighbors have since stopped talking to her and considered them crazy Russian. Here is such a mentality - when you are raped, try to at least relax, maybe you can enjoy it, American style. So what about the thermometer and icy water not a damn amazing

      In the United States, when illegally entering the territory of Her house, she had the right to shoot or kill them.
      1. jonht
        jonht 10 November 2017 05: 47 New
        +1
        But do not carry out detention and unauthorized detention. They can only policemen and special forces .... They would have slammed them and there would have been no problems, and the robbers themselves could have rolled a cart on her for beating .... Such they are the FSA .... wassat
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 10 November 2017 06: 38 New
          11
          Let your Sveta not whistle. In the United States, immobilizing an attacker by any means if he entered your house — at least bind, at least stun, at least kill — is absolutely normal and the police have no questions. In the event that there was one attacker (without drives to the police before), they can still be called up to the investigation because he can turn on the "fool" -type he found himself at home (and then if there was no hacking). In the case of group penetration, get out without options. But just in Russia there are a lot of cases when victims, those who committed robbers and rapists, were brought to trial for "exceeding the level of necessary self-defense" ...
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 23 March 2018 14: 56 New
        0
        In different states in different ways. Shooting some is no better than ours. But she didn’t have any time to delay and bind.
    2. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 10 November 2017 20: 03 New
      +3
      It is strange that in the States a judge forgot about “civil arrest”. Someone is whistling.
    3. Shelonnik
      Shelonnik 13 November 2017 10: 29 New
      +2
      Lies. In most states, even on the street, unlike Russia, you should not think about accidentally overdoing the robbers - stand yor ground, shoot anyone who wants to rob you - and in your house you can do everything that the robber want anywhere in the usa.
  30. JR-13
    JR-13 10 November 2017 00: 07 New
    +1
    The main idea of ​​the article is patriotism. The author was given an introduction, where the curve will take. Fell on a bike, not even on a motorcycle - pretty not nice. "... Sparks from my eyes flew I won’t lie. The whole stack burned out. But to bite so with forks ..." Some kind of love formula. Everything will be as always. While we retreat ... And there we will drive.
  31. staviator
    staviator 10 November 2017 10: 22 New
    +2
    Hmm, 200km is cool! And why don’t you drop from a height of 1000m without parachutes? Have you forgotten about the “Halalayans” so that they’re a heap.
  32. Sidel45
    Sidel45 10 November 2017 12: 58 New
    +6
    In a man's fantasy. He put it all in one heap, but he did not understand what OSNAZ was. ESSENTIAL GRU is indeed there, but he is far from doing what the author suggests. And landing without parachutes on the ground through the open ramp of the An-12th bullshit. But thanks anyway for making me laugh.
  33. svp67
    svp67 10 November 2017 13: 57 New
    +1
    It’s strange like that ... OSNAZ of the USSR, this is the troops of electronic intelligence. And as it is already based on this, everything written here already causes distrust. It would be better then called themselves CHON
    1. opus
      opus 11 November 2017 14: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And as it is already based on this, everything written here already causes distrust.

      What is so strange here?

      Bogeyman type



      https://topwar.ru/22785-sovetskie-boevye-mashiny-
      s-200-v-irake.html

      On a heavy C-5A Galaxy put a hundred-millimeter gun for firing on the ground. A sort of neo-"flying fortress."
      And such a large object weighing under two hundred tons turned out to be in the area of ​​our shooting. Maybe the pilots got lost, and maybe they lost their vigilance after twenty days of bombing, but only when this “flare” about the size of a manfly appeared on the screen of the indicator did we just gasp.

      To miss her would be complete stupidity. Knowing that on such ships to hell with all kinds of radio-electronic traps, we shot in television mode. Missiles were pointed on the TV screen. Visually. The “two hundred” has such a regime.

      belay
      Conclusion fool
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 23 March 2018 15: 17 New
        0
        Is news for you that officers often confuse the names and performance characteristics of enemy vehicles? But they know their job and technique well. These are not sofa scholars. And the AS-130N ganship was indeed shot down in Iraq by a missile. Googling - you will find it easy.
    2. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 20: 39 New
      0
      In the early Union, under Dzerzhinsky, the so-called parts of the future air forces of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. In particular, the OMSDON, began with the Special Forces and ... Separate motorized rifle division for special purposes!
  34. Doliva63
    Doliva63 10 November 2017 14: 10 New
    +7
    Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
    What AN is the stall speed at the ground of 200 km? Less than 100 - I believe, and 200 and more - these are special bikes. But these are details of the operation of the SA in Czechoslovakia in 1968 (from my cadet graduation in 1965, several lieutenants-graduates of the VOKU already got there), and the main digit is approx. 4000 of our fellows returned in a cargo of 200 until 1971. For what? To bring Dubcekovites to the “party court”? To settle “Gorbachevites” in the Kremlin in 1985, and Yeltsiniks in 1992? Our valiant special officers have the right to ask their valiant generals for such stories.

    In order to “bring the Dubcekovites to the party court,” a full-time deep-intelligence company was activated, reinforced by officers of various units of the 20th Guards OA of the GSVG from among the participants in the Second World War who took part in the liberation of Czechoslovakia from the Nazis, even a commander was replaced. There were no casualties among the personnel.
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 20: 19 New
      0
      It was! Plus saboteurs KUOSa KGB of the USSR. In the city, even the coffee was smoking in cups on the table, we did not have time to finish it ...
  35. Clone
    Clone 10 November 2017 17: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Marins has a march of 30 km ...

    Still, to find out what they put into this concept ... repeat
    1. Shelonnik
      Shelonnik 13 November 2017 10: 37 New
      0
      Australian special forces - standard march throw - 30 kg. 30 miles away. Through the desert, hare lope.
      1. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 20: 16 New
        0
        But the Vietnamese do not run at all!
  36. iomoe
    iomoe 10 November 2017 19: 18 New
    +2
    That's how fairy tales are born. In a thousand years they will talk about the hero Uncle Tolya in one fell swoop of seven beatings.
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 10 November 2017 19: 59 New
      0
      YouTube to help you. There are a lot of videos with the shooting of training sessions conducted by real people.
  37. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 10 November 2017 19: 58 New
    +2
    Thanks, author. How many guys from officer special forces saw, all really, “dry”, which can be dragged by elk for hours. Well, maybe the machine gunners are bigger)))
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 20: 15 New
      0
      The officer units of the Special Forces, and especially V. Parts, in the Union, count on the fingers. In the GRU General Staff only in one brigade a full-time officer company was deployed (not ready to say that it was a wartime state!) And acted, in my memory. In G / B - three, "A", OUTS (V / Ch) and the freelance Group "Volna" (unit) of the KGB Directorate for Moscow and the region. No where else!
      Yes! In a professional language, OCHNAZ (in the late Union) are units and subdivisions of radio-technical intelligence and counterintelligence!
  38. Wengr
    Wengr 10 November 2017 20: 58 New
    0
    Urgently call a cat with a lamp !!!
  39. asr55
    asr55 10 November 2017 21: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Doliva63
    Quote: GIN
    if at a speed of 60 km you fall somewhere well, if only it usually breaks to death

    True, I myself wasn’t from OSNAZ, although I had many friends who served in the brigade in Torgau, but as a former, I’ll say: 60 km / h is the usual speed to leave a vehicle in training, for 4 years there were 2 injuries - dislocation of the shoulder and bruised foot.

    Yes, there are some balabol theorists who did not serve apparently.
  40. shinobi
    shinobi 10 November 2017 22: 36 New
    +1
    It’s funny, as if written off from my sidekick’s sidekick. He really didn’t like me, but he set the direction.
  41. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 11 November 2017 02: 12 New
    +3
    In Prague in 1968 it was not so. About “landing from a ramp at 200 km / h” - a bike, a boat on the ground will smear.
    Everything was simpler: they requested a landing due to a malfunction of the engine ... They gave a landing, drove the board to a distant zone ... Well, then the doors opened ... and, oppanki: the KDP tower is under control. And they went to board the "vehicles" already with equipment and personnel.
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 20: 01 New
      0
      It was! And how many have not yet been published !!!!
  42. vladimir VR
    vladimir VR 11 November 2017 11: 22 New
    0
    Good article. Liked.
  43. Barklay
    Barklay 12 November 2017 19: 01 New
    +2
    I could not resist reading the article ...... to everyone who knows superficially what is EASD from a person who served day after day for one hour for 3 years (this was the case in reality) in two fleets, the Black Sea and the Pacific in the glorious, now destroyed, Bpk " Nikolaev "..... so, the training unit where the training was like, we were in the then glorious hero city of Kiev, on the Rybalsky Peninsula, for some reason all the locals called it a vacation home for sailors ... 5 months and we are more or less prepared specialists for radio interception of radio telephone and radio-telegraphic transmissions went to the fleets, some to ships who are to coastal detachments of the MRO ..... yes there was physical training, I won’t say something unusual, but those who were called seven months, from the training term of 7 months, were not one lower than the candidate into masters of all types of martial arts, then we saw them from afar .... and having been on the basis of training combat swimmers in Ochakovo, I was not just surprised that there was no way to convey what these guys did with one bayonet knife .... this I'm all that lich himself but I did not see the ceremonial work of these guys, and honestly at heart I was glad that I was serving on a ship ... one thing is very disappointing how many of them lie at the bottom of Yemen, Somalia, in Angola ... eternal memory to them ....
  44. Shelonnik
    Shelonnik 13 November 2017 10: 26 New
    +2
    Nonsense. Catches the tip of a sword at 40? Landing at a speed of 200 km. / hour? There was a landing without parachutes into the forest of one legendary unit in the history of Russian special forces - they specially made themselves especially sharp teachings in honor of one historical event; but even they landed from HELICOPTERS, neatly on the spruce.

    The author scolds Hollywood and immediately hangs on the young generation cheap noodles about Soviet supermen. From the first squad, yeah. The next generations, including the author, were thinner, but these are TITANS! This is despite the fact that the memories of not mythical "Uncle Tolya", but quite real participants of Vympel, who said that the methods did not come to them from a mysterious out of nowhere, but were created almost from scratch, are almost accessible - almost because some experience of special forces detachments of the WWII era is available, the detachments which then conscientious generals stupidly disbanded and forgot for a long time - including the legendary Leonov detachment, were smart enough. As law-abiding Leonov himself wrote about this, "the detachment was created for the war and therefore was disbanded after the war." Well, like, after the war, the army will deal with parades, why the non-format unit, some troubles with it?

    Separately amused stories about "worthless American commandos." Well, the bottom is real - the author heard a whistle about some particular moments of preparation, but, for example, doesn’t cut how much more serious the sergeant’s training is - from which he is not so far from the lieutenant. Or the qualifying "hellish week" for candidates (only candidates) for the Navy SEAL squad - when they have 7 days to WITHOUT SLEEP to perform the hardest exercises like landing from boats on a rocky ocean shore, and even exercises are not tolerant when they are driven into ice water and they just make sure that someone doesn’t finally get drunk - it's about the story about the “thermometer”.

    As for the regiment of "Sherman" a separate song. Well, that is, the Americans fired on themselves, threw themselves on a grenade to save a friend, landed on a dagger machine-gun fire, went on an attack on a minefield, kept with some bazookas against the Royal Tigers (all historical facts), but did not dare to pour fuel into tanks? Lyalyalya.
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 19: 58 New
      0
      When he was in school, around 77-79 he saw on TV in the program “Serving the Soviet Union” how, out of 76 ILs with an open ramp, from the issued bells, paratroopers rolled out at low altitude and immediately occupied the position of “lying down to battle!” on a grassy field.
      At the Military School, a fellow student said that his father, a sub-commander of the BTA, participated in the Baltic States in these exercises. So, apparently the technology was developed, developed, but due to high injuries postponed until the "Special Period", namely, it can be used in cases ... of necessity.
  45. Peter Ivanov
    Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 19: 49 New
    0
    Do not underestimate potential opponents. Marchinko, was an outstanding commander of the “Seals”. His conducted combat training operations are original, sharp, daring. "Opponent" is the fleet of the SGA, has always been to the Prusser! So what's not worth it ...
    An appendage to a nightmare: In Our Soviet era, we were always informed and aimed at such a kind of B / D adversary, as "Psychological Operations". But what if, at a meeting of two "friendly armies", the SGA military deliberately underestimated the capabilities of their troops? Why not (in the spirit of software)? The enemy - the USSR Armed Forces, is imbued with the presence of a "weak enemy", he forms vibrations of hatred and "loosens up"! They do it!
  46. Peter Ivanov
    Peter Ivanov 13 November 2017 21: 47 New
    +1
    It was in 2009-2011. At the institute, my teacher was an elderly but strong husband! Somehow, after the state, they walked together, I said that I served in a military mission in the Pacific Ocean! It turned out the same! Only in the intelligence of SMEs and this was in 1969 in the area of ​​responsibility of the 57th, Red Banner Iman software at events in Damansky! As you know, nothing unexpected happens in the world, especially at the border! And the 20th Congress of the CPSU gave a "sediment" in relations with the PRC. He told me that they were being trained, front-line officers, it was very difficult and difficult, and very unusual !!! So in Uncle Tolya, or like him, I can believe her, her! Especially when cooked under real task!
    There was one more contact in the 90s! A friend of my acquaintances turned to me for help (at the GVK), they did not give him a certificate of a veteran B // D (About Rights to Benefits)! He claimed that he served as an conscript during the events in Poland in the 1980s, in the Belarusian Military District. He was an ordinary motorized rifle, BUT, with his hands he rolled an aluminum flat plate into his mouth (who remembers it, it was 5 mm thick !!!). So, from such as he formed an assault company in part (freelance) and this company participated in a combat assault, the capture and release of two objects, the Power Station and something else in Polandwere wounded and 200th !!! B / D were carried out with the state border crossing by helicopters and landing landing and subsequent B / D, and return to the Union, all at night! Training and coordination of units was carried out in a limited time, apparently hot!
    So friends, comrades, everything is possible in our life !!!
    1. raif
      raif 14 November 2017 01: 34 New
      +1
      In the 80s, next to Poland, were only parts of the airborne forces, GRU and marines in bulk? decided to compete in tales with the author of the article?
      1. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 22 November 2017 15: 33 New
        +1
        No tales! What I heard is what I transmitted. In our experience, everything always happens suddenly ... (this is about the NDP) most likely, and it always has been! When you can’t leave traces, create a freelance formation! All these gru and airborne forces are under the enemy’s tight cap, especially telephone communications and the airfield, so you can always determine where and who flew! And in our case, people in gear and arms sleep and walk for several weeks (near the "Solidarity" rocking the NDP), their freelance company was "picked up" by helicopter loaded, flew to the Poles at night, performed two combat missions (maybe from Polish friends there there were no forces and means, Jaruzelsky usually managed on his own! Eternal memory to him!), they handed over the objects to the approaching Polish comrades and, collecting the wounded and the dead, “went” onboard the Union! Who was that it was ... no lettering deeds, but the deed is done!
        For Our Soviet Motherland!
        I repeat! I was not there! This was told by a citizen who has confidence and who has repeatedly applied to the military registration and enlistment office and further to the court!
  47. Bort radist
    Bort radist 13 November 2017 22: 03 New
    0
    Quote: SerEzh
    The main task of this unit was to drive airborne assault to the drop-out point, for which the groups of this company had to land ahead of the enemy rear and deploy the drive equipment there.

    In 1977, Panevezys, military unit 06965, had a company OKDO (Separate Airborne Support Team) with us, they jumped a lot under various conditions. We threw them at night, onto the forest, from heights up to 250 - 200 meters. Rota loudly said they were from the strength of a half platoon.
  48. Alexey Antonov
    Alexey Antonov 14 November 2017 04: 07 New
    +1
    the author is obviously raving. Or retells one of his, no doubt, vivid dreams. For OSNAZ is a group of radio intelligence on ships and ships of the Navy. And nothing more.
  49. Selin Andrey
    Selin Andrey 14 November 2017 13: 43 New
    +1
    It seemed to me that OCHNAS is EW and RTR ... Everything is so complicated ... 1989-1991 - ZGV, listened to Mirekan helicopters .. Remhild.
    1. esaul1950
      esaul1950 16 November 2017 20: 07 New
      0
      ... and your post was related to the Weimar Regiment Osnaz of the 8th Guards Army.
  50. Markder
    Markder 14 November 2017 21: 50 New
    +1
    A reference to the clouding of the mind looks like hatred. We must seriously prepare and maximize the development of our armed forces, especially in the Kaliningrad region. There are not enough modern "Iskanders" and the SU-35. It is necessary to place one or two full-blooded tank armies. We will have to remind once more the gentlemen from NATO and the USA; "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword!"