For the first time, the Navy handed over electronic navigation charts to a ship at sea

For the first time, the main center of the automated system for providing electronic map information to the Navy handed 280 electronic navigation maps aboard the Ilya Muromets icebreaker at sea, said Igor Dygalo, a representative of the Information and Mass Communications Department of the Russian Defense Ministry on the Navy.

For the first time in stories The Russian Navy has successfully transmitted electronic navigation charts to the ship at sea. The transfer of a set of electronic versions of 280 navigation maps was carried out by the Main Center of the Automated System for Providing the Cartographic Information of the Navy in St. Petersburg on board the newest icebreaker Ilya Muromets being tested in the Baltic Sea

- said Dygalo.

According to the head of the Directorate of Navigation and Oceanography of the Russian Defense Ministry, captain 1 of the rank of Sergei Travin, special new equipment installed on board the icebreaker Ilya Muromets was used for transmission.

We are talking about the ship complex automation equipment, which, by request of the Navy, is equipped with an icebreaker. The transfer of electronic cards made through a special radio channel from St. Petersburg

- said Travin, quoted by the press service.

He also noted that new automation tools would “successfully provide geospatial information in the form of electronic navigation charts for warships of the Russian Navy in the course of a long-term mission in the far ocean zone”.

Previously, navigation maps of ships and ships of the Navy were supplied at points of deployment during basic and preparatory training, reports RIA News

Comments

[LAWNER]

Type of matrix ??? What is the amount of information coming in? And most likely in a classified form.

[Monos]

Quote: LAWNER

This is how much information comes in?

Here, the volume is not important (in the end, using a mobile modem it’s easy to download any movie). It is fundamentally important at what distance this volume was transferred.

[pjastolov]

Hi hi fundamentally important - that without Western technology, and not through their channels

[Monos]

Good evening, Vladimir!
I hope you are right about the technology.

[pjastolov]

Quote: Monos

I hope you are right about the technology.

I hope so, but I probably didn’t write about

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Monos

Volume is not important here.

Only navigators know what a card depot is!
What does it mean pre-laying, route selection, plotted reference points, and other professional lotions ...
Interestingly, the CEP will present to the Flagship (Comdiv, for example) if he only has electronic cards? And if, don’t bring the Almighty, the enemy will conduct an EMP strike on the NK ... Then why are you going to stomp? globally, reckoning ...
All this is very good, but there should always be a backup mapping method! At the same time, and sextant, oh how, it can come in handy!
IMHO.

[Cook]

I think that equipping an icebreaker with a printer and printing the necessary cards is not a problem today.

[Whaler]

Well, rather a plotter

[Beby]

You confuse something, plotters have long since left mass use, .. well, maybe they still use cutting ones.
Probably, by the word "plotter" you meant a large-format inkjet printer, but then why deliberately substitute concepts?

[bk316]

Probably, by the word "plotter" you meant a large-format inkjet printer, but then why deliberately substitute concepts?

You probably never bought or serviced a "wide format inkjet printer" they are still called plotters Type in Yandex "buy a plotter" and make sure

[Beby]

Yes, anything can be written on the fence, and indexed by Yandex. The question is not this, but the substitution of concepts.
Maybe you can find me at least one document (naturally in englishso that there are no translation errors) from, for example, the very popular HP DesignJet series of products (or similar ones), where would it be written inside that InkJet Printer is actually a plotter? (yes, at least just the word plotter was mentioned).

PS I’m very aware that in the strange countries of the former USSR large-format inkjet printers are often called plotters, because These printers primarily perform tasks previously performed by real (XY-coordinate) plotters. However, from this, InkJet Printer's do not become these same plotters.

[bk316]

where would it be written inside that InkJet Printer is actually a plotter? (yes, at least just the word plotter was mentioned).

And you belong to the sect of pedants. Perhaps they have devoted their whole lives to the struggle to eradicate the word xerox in favor of the word copier?
I am not opposed to accuracy in definitions, only for some reason wrestlers like you really usually hide behind this struggle the scarcity of their knowledge.
Here catch the link
http://plottertrade.com/?page_id=55
and not even a inkjet but a laser

[Beby]

An interesting but strange link:
1. You gave a link to sellers, who all the same as what is called - if only sold.
2. This link offers 2 families of devices (with the commercial names IDEA and XSTREAM), which the Italians (Algotex) call a plotter (for historical reasons - see the history of Algotex company).
3. the products (IDEA and XSTREAM) of the Italian company Algotex use the HP45 and XAAR printheads, which are InkJet Printing Heads (i.e. inkjet).
4. HP, products with its InkJet Printing Heads (used by Algotex), otherwise it does not name printer.
5. XAAR, as I understand it, produces only components for printers, but does not release printers / plotters themselves.
6. On the XAAR website (www.xaar.com) the word plotter does not occur at all ... - people make nodes for printers.
7. On the HP website (www.hp.com) the word plotter was found only in the museum section, .. with, in fact, XY-coordinate plotters.

Well, somehow it turns out.

However, in any case, thanks for the link, I was interested to get acquainted with a non-American company and its own terminology (commercial names of products).

PS
[quote = bk316] [quote] and not even a inkjet but a laser [/ quote]
could not be found on the provided link.

[Warhead-xnumx]

Have you seen the map at least once to print on the printer? Set the puzzle to assemble.

[Cook]

I saw all sorts of cards. Did I write somewhere that in A4 format I need to print? Apparently for you the existence of industrial printers with a roll width, for example 1500mm, is a big secret.

[bk316]

Set the puzzle to assemble

Well, okay, bch-3 is permissible, it’s good that it’s not bch-1

[cniza]

It’s convenient for them to chop nuts.

[Warhead-xnumx]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And if, don’t bring the Almighty, the enemy will conduct an EMP strike on the NK ... Then why are you going to stomp? globally, reckoning ...

I completely agree, my teacher on HF in the second year, seeing our joy at the fact that we were allowed to use GPS during cloudy weather, said: "What will you do during the database when the satellites knock down?"

[Mestny]

Cards as such most likely are not transmitted at all, they are already available in advance in electronic form. Only the necessary information is transmitted - the location of objects, for example. Its size is small.
Exactly the same thing applies to GPS - if the signal disappears, there will be no update of the position of objects on the map. However, what was downloaded earlier will not go anywhere. And nothing will prevent you from using such a map with "traditional means" of navigation.

[opus]

Quote: LAWNER

This is how much information comes in?

on modern concepts a trifle
PAK CO CIM produces electronic topographic maps of any region of the globe according to aerial and satellite imagery ..
Digital orthophotomaps of any scale and digital matrices of the terrain, images of objects, their quantitative and qualitative characteristics (recognition and generation using automated stereoscopic interpretation), geospatial data in text and tabular form are transmitted

Quote: Monos

It is fundamentally important at what distance this volume was transferred.

Transas, an automated system for providing the Navy with digital cartographic information (ASO TsKI)
more precisely KSAP ASO TsKI Navy.
If far away by satellite (s) = distance does not matter.
So they all get an Internet connection through any line that satisfies bandwidth and security.

via hardware-software complex (APC) "server KSAP"

Quote: pjastolov

that without Western technology, and not through their channels

yep ON, yes, iron, not yet, not all
built on common domestic technologies, technically interconnected and can exchange geospatial and digital cartographic information in a single geo-information space

:
• Computing server, Flagman-Z
• Operating system MS VS 3.0,/FLIR 8.0001-12
• Database management system Linter VS 6.0,/FLIR 8000.2-04
• Hardware-software complex "Shield-EDS",
• KPO "E-mail system product 83t714",
• KPO "Web Application Server",
• KPO Doctor Web for Servers.

The assigned work resource before the repair period in specialized workshops - 60 000 hours;
The total assigned system resource before decommissioning is 100 000 hours.
The warranty period of the product is 3 from the date of delivery at the customer’s site, within the warranty period of storage.

[Monos]

Quote: opus

If far away by satellite (s) = distance does not matter.

, Yes of course. Another issue is the reliability of communications in high latitudes. There with satellite coverage is problematic. Or am I wrong?

[opus]

Quote: Monos

Or am I wrong?

The service area of ​​CP "Yamal-201"

Service areas of regional stations of the Gonets system


How much more then?

in the organization of satellite communications in high latitudes, modern directions of development of satellite communications systems can be implemented, such as the use of network technologies, integration with terrestrial communication networks and data transmission, unification and standardization of communication technologies and data transmission and other..

It is possible so
Server KSAPb -> Server KSAPk (intermediaries) -> Server KSAPk (final)

[Okolotochny]

Anton, info in two comments is open or ......? And then, something palms begin to sweat from the eye of the "elder brother." Joke.

[opus]

Quote: Okolotochny

Anton, infa in two comments open or

open

Complex user automation

"KSAP"

specifications

APPROVAL SHEET

SKBV.42 5180.103-02 TU-LU

tender was

DOCUMENTATION ABOUT OPEN
AUCTION ELECTRONIC FORM
for the supply of a set of consumer automation equipment
automated digital processing system
Navy Map Information (KSAP ASO TsKI Navy)
for the needs of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

[poquello]

the beginnings of a large electronic brain

[HEATHER]

Finally drowned. One misunderstanding. Did the captain have a card? Our people are used to walking on their cards. I don’t understand this. "in the form of electronic navigational charts, warships of the Russian Navy entering a long-term mission in the far ocean zone." Is there something that has risen or has the current changed?

[Logall]

Great buddy!
Tests are underway, the system is new! They look, test, how over long distances ...

[HEATHER]

So I hope that it’s a good idea. Although, at the present time, everything is sensible with us! Healthy, friendly! How much time! For relax. Or that.

[antivirus]

rotting western did not sing our marches
"Well, to the side of the neck and the Beatles, we’ll play the march, the old, forgotten ..."

[Logall]

Long time no see, for sure! Thanks for the music!
That's about the cards: It would be interesting to know what degree of protection of this system ... And what will happen if there are no satellites? And they will not, in the case of a large kipish ...

[HEATHER]

Ну Logall! Ours are able to work with maps, unlike potential ones. Today, with our boy, we calculated the location points of Amer aircraft carriers on a map. The guy calculated up to a second. Latitude, longitude, time, minutes, seconds. Eleme
amber! There are simple protection cards. Electronic ones, who knows. I’m from my belfry. Maybe the sailors will explain. I’m from Aviation. Not sea. And what will happen if there are no satellites? Then we will win. None of the potential cards are already fumbling. And with us, this is the basis for preparing navigators. Everyone on our ships knows how to read maps. How do I know? Uncle moreman. Almost 40 years in the Navy.

[sir_obs]

Satellites are not stan; stars will not go anywhere. You can always determine your place.

[Neputin]

Thank you heather! Blues are just a bomb. I’ll definitely find backing tracks on the Internet and try to play solo, train my neighbors.

[bulvas]

Quote: Neputin

Thank you heather! Blues are just a bomb. I will definitely find in
Minus the Internet and try to play solo, train my neighbors.

That's right!
Thanks Heather. Listened to blues decided to finish work and listen to music
To start, Deep Purple

[HEATHER]

To start, Deep Purple Well, these guys are hefty serious. I sometimes, in a quiet voice (don’t tell anyone), I listen to Jeepsie Kings ...

[bulvas]

Quote: VERESK

To start, Deep Purple Well, these guys are hefty serious. I sometimes, in a quiet voice (don’t tell anyone), I listen to Jeepsie Kings ...

I agree, but I don’t listen to everything from them, not in those years
but this

and more

[HEATHER]

Gorgeous. Catch mine.

[HEATHER]

Neputin My reckoning! If you are a lover of blues-sniffing! On the site guys and girls love the Blues. Not about the moderators it is said. Alas. They can ban ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: VERESK

Ну Logall! Ours are able to work with maps, unlike potential ones. Today, with our boy, we calculated the location points of Amer aircraft carriers on a map. The guy calculated up to a second. Latitude, longitude, time, minutes, seconds. Eleme
amber! There are simple protection cards. Electronic ones, who knows. I’m from my belfry. Maybe the sailors will explain. I’m from Aviation. Not sea. And what will happen if there are no satellites? Then we will win. None of the potential cards are already fumbling. And with us, this is the basis for preparing navigators. Everyone on our ships knows how to read maps. How do I know? Uncle moreman. Almost 40 years in the Navy.

Grandma is a sniper?

[Kerensky]

And so it was possible? I understand that this is a set of files that contain some kind of "tablecloths", which are "pulled" onto an electronic tablet. It’s also long been possible to drive the “digit” on the air (even Popov and Morse were weird). Compare received with sent .... I do not catch the novelty ....

[zivXP]

Well, there probably information is encoded. And all the navigation equipment of the ship is docked with the information received.

[Kerensky]

Well, there surely the information is encoded

It is already encoded, but this does not cease to be a file that is transmitted in packets. Roughly: the station sends a packet, the ship receives and sends back. The station compares the sent and received packets. If everything is fine, then sends the next one.
When the "flash drive" of the ship is full, there is "equipment and dock."
And where is the novelty?

[Glory1974]

And where is the novelty?

reception and transmission of information in a classified mode of guaranteed durability, a large volume over a long distance, plus not only a map, but also the situation data with coordinates on-line.

[Mih1974]

That’s just the point that it seems “everything is simple”, but most likely - the technology was developed to provide warships with up-to-date operational information. That everyone (to whom it is supposed) should not “shine on the whole district” with a radar and beacon this as a “target”, but have full information (from headquarters) “who, where, for what”! Of course, these were not just maps as they were shown at school, but most likely the ice conditions, the location of surface and underwater craft, currents, the movement of hurricanes, etc. And so it’s an ash stump that they already have “paper” cards and other positioning devices.

[bald]

Only good, but ... control (sorry). It is clear that different departments - but, as usual, this is not possible, but he is not in the know - but in general both sides lose. Look for a compromise, sort of like to the office - presenting (I do not laugh) - think men.

[Grizzly]

Automated center for providing electronic cartographic information, everything else is husk)

[LAWNER]

The underwater terrain and currents change more often than the mood of the wife, so maps need to be changed regularly. But you need a Hydrographic Fleet, on a scale no less than Soyuzny. Can this be the whole point ???? Transfer updated maps in real time ???

[Herculesic]

Could download these maps from the Internet

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Herkulesich

Could download these maps from the Internet

Ask Google?
I noticed interesting things there. Not a professional, but there is something to think about. For example, Station square of the city. Resolution cards - individual people are visible and shadows from them, in accordance with the time of day. It's kind of like an ad-look, Man, how we look at you. Next, leafing through. Near our regional capital is a closed town. And the image of the place, as if Pablo Picasso waved a mop. Like, I don’t see anything, I don’t smell anything and so on ... Are you going to walk on such cards?

[Mih1974]

And here it’s clearly a “mutual agreement” - we don’t post your closed zones to the whole world, and you don’t show ours "(between the USA and the USSR / Russia). What would any black-asses neither of us have" uncontrolled "on closed objects They generally didn’t roam, the United States has even more problems than ours, because it will have more opponents and those who want to “bang.” And start Russia to put out “high-quality satellite images” of the closed objects of the USA in the openings - on September 11 they will see them as a children's party.

[Deck]

Transis ECDIS Navi-Sailor 4000 MFD Apparently

[Igor V]

The cards were transferred, which means you can transmit other voluminous information. Coordinates of goals, for example, operational environment.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Igor V

The cards were transferred, which means you can transmit other voluminous information. Coordinates of goals, for example, operational environment.

Why goal coordinates? FLIGHT TASKS. Faster and eliminates unnecessary transmission link, which eliminates the likelihood of loss of secrecy and errors.

[Bronevick]

Let them throw films on my computer

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Bronevick

Let them throw films on my computer

http://firebit.net/новинки/

Take it yourself.

[Fight]

Quote: Cook

I think that equipping an icebreaker with a printer and printing the necessary cards is not a problem today.

What for? You can send a flash drive a dove!

[Cook]

I just answered the question of UdavaKaa, what will they show the inspector if that. And about reservation too. So your joke is not quite a topic. By the way, in aviation this method of updating FMS navigation databases has been used for quite some time.

[Captain Nemo]

I hope that the Shtatovs do not read VO, and then specialists immediately declassify all secrets))))

[tralmaster.]

Electronics are good, but paper is still necessary. And then we’ll be striped-striped. Electricity ran out and got lost.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: tralmaster.

Electronics are good, but paper is still necessary. And then we’ll be striped-striped. Electricity ran out and got lost.

Not everywhere paper is needed. If printed, then ensuring the preservation of state secrets from its loss will be difficult. Easier to look at in a dark room with shielded walls. If there will be no light. what to do to the steamer? For such things, there are many ways to maintain performance.

[tralmaster.]

Well, do not tell tales, we know we served. The whole ball had pictures. You will confirm the preliminary gasket also in electronic form.

[Kerensky]

Yeah! Digitally Signed Flag!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: tralmaster.

Well, do not tell tales, we know we served. The whole ball had pictures. You will confirm the preliminary gasket also in electronic form.

Today, multistellar bosses are also able to sign electronically. Kohl nuclear submarines in such drawings began to shave, and lag behind here is a sin. If on paper, then only with pens. If in a computer it is possible to organize CADs. It’s more convenient to scale on a computer. Either large coverage or detailed. This is not for you to crawl on the floor with a curvimeter.

[Großer feldherr]

I’m curious about it, but how did they get rid of it before, through VKontakte and Facebook?

[kig]

Electronic cards have long been used in world shipping. This makes life easier for navigators, since corrections are received continuously and automatically, and most importantly, they increase the safety of navigation, because human errors during proof-reading are minimized. Initially, updates came with mail in each port, on disks, but for quite some time everything has been done via the Internet, through a special modem. However, a set of paper cards is still present.
Here is a picture of the OOCL Germany container ship bridge built in 2000.

and here is the ECDIS display integrated in the control panel

well, a paper card next to it

[LeonidL]

In general, this is called transferring files over satellite Internet, al no?

[HEATHER]

HEATHER,
Slightly deviated.