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Holodomor on Russian

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Holodomor on RussianAttempts to hang up the deliberate extermination of Ukrainians on the ethnic principle as a result of the 1932-1933 famine in Moscow were made more than once. However, such a fierce attack in the worst traditions of the Cold War, as today, perhaps, was not yet.


It is clear that formal accusations are directed against the leadership of the Soviet Union, but, raising this issue, Western propagandists are trying to bring associations with modern Russia to their audiences. The information campaign is very large-scale and, apparently, well planned.

A whole book (“Red Hunger: Stalin’s War against Ukraine”) was dedicated to the so-called Holodomor by British-American journalist Anne Appebaum.

The half-hour “documentary” film “Holodomor: Voices of Survivors” was shot by Canadian Ariadna Okhrimovich.

Articles dedicated to the famine in Ukraine were published in The Telegraph and Washington Post. The Voice of America and National Public Radio (USA) were devoted to the Holodomor.

The Washington State Senate recently officially declared famine 1932 - 1933 in Ukraine "genocide."

In the Canadian province of Ontario, preparations began for the installation of a monument in memory of the victims of the Ukrainian events of the early 1930's.

On all this array of propaganda information - a raid of lies and madness.

Let's start with the “innocuous” - with the decision of the Washington State Senate. What was it all about? Nine years ago, in 2008, the Holodomor "genocide" recognized the United States Congress. What was the meaning of voting in the senate of Washington? Imagine, for example, such a situation. Back in the distant 1995, the State Duma of the Russian Federation condemned the Armenian Genocide. And suddenly today the Voronezh Regional Duma "wakes up" and makes a similar decision. Will it look adequate? I doubt it.

We are talking about the classic situation of “creating a news story” - and nothing more: a statement on the Holodomor does not oblige senators from the US Pacific coast, but there is an occasion to talk in the media about the “monstrous cruelty” of Russians.
The publication of a black journalist Terrell Jermain Starr in the Washington Post looked tragicomic and was devoted to “Soviet racism”. This American “expert on Russia” managed to identify the Holodomor with the Holocaust in his material (apparently, phonetics played a mean trick with a guy - the words are really in English remotely similar), and also accuse Moscow of oppressing dark-skinned people (this is a man whose parents found racial segregation in the United States) and in the targeted killing of Ukrainians. However, to create a fairly complete picture of who this “specialist in Russia” is, suffice it to say that three years ago Terrell Jermain Starr, a holder of two prestigious master's degrees, said that Odessa is located in the Crimea.

With Ariadna Okhrimovich - more interesting. In order to fully uncover the “cannibalistic essence” of Moscow, she shot the film based on the testimony of Ukrainian Holodomor eyewitnesses living in Canada today. For these purposes, she received a special federal grant in her time and found about a hundred people from Ukraine who personally remember the gloomy events of the beginning of the 30-s of the XX century. According to Okhrimovich, her interlocutors did not even want to recall the details of the Holodomor:

“Some agreed and then refused to speak. They did not want to relive the nightmare that had plagued them all their lives. Some even told their children nothing before. One man after hesitation agreed and through tears told the camera what he remembers, in particular, how he and his little sister ate grass at the height of the famine. ”

It all sounds convincing. Only if you do not ponder history Ukrainian emigration. A huge Ukrainian diaspora really lives in Canada - about 276 thousands of people (even a few hundred thousand Canadians have, relatively speaking, Ukrainian relatives). Ukrainians are 5 by number of representatives of the ethnic group living in Canada. And Canada is the third country on the planet (after Ukraine and Russia itself) in the number of Ukrainians living in it. All this is wonderful. But let's answer ourselves just one question: where did these Ukrainians in Canada come from?

Historians have four waves of Ukrainians moving across the ocean. The first (which is considered the main one) began in 1891 and lasted until the beginning of the First World War. We are talking about the inhabitants of the Carpathians running overseas from poverty in Austria-Hungary. They moved to Canada about 200 thousand. For obvious reasons, the descendants of these settlers cannot know anything about the Holodomor by definition. The second wave took place between the First and Second World Wars. However, it mainly covered the inhabitants of the territories that left Poland, Czechoslovakia and Romania after 1918 - 1921! In the Soviet Union, they did not live and, naturally, they could not remember the Holodomor either. The third wave was post-war. It embraced mostly Nazi Bandera collaborators, SS men and auxiliary police. The main Nazi units in the territory of the Ukrainian SSR were formed again at the expense of the regions of Western Ukraine. A certain number of policemen, elders or collaborators from among the captured Soviet soldiers, of course, also fled to Canada. But it was definitely very small. The fourth wave of relocation to Canada occurred in the 1990s. Most of the participants were Ukrainians, who already had relatives in Canada who had left there for the previous hundred years ... As you can see, the number of immigrants from the central and eastern regions of Ukraine living in Canada is very small - from those 276 thousands they owe make up only a small fraction. People who could remember the Holodomor a little bit should have been born around 1917 - 1922. Today it is from 95 to 100 years. Who will believe that Mrs. Okhrimovich among several thousand people from the center and east of Ukraine living in Canada found at once a hundred hundred-year old men?

Unfortunately, the banal logic indicates that we are talking about the usual falsification ... And quite expensive.
Against this background, the installation in Canada of the monument to the victims of the Holodomor also looks like part of a large-scale manipulation. As we have already found out, a large part of the Ukrainian community, living in the Country of the maple leaf, had nothing to do with the famine of the beginning of 1930's. Therefore, representatives of the Ukrainian diaspora in Canada can perceive this tragedy only in a universal, but not in a personal context.

But Mrs. Applebaum and her followers in the Western media did not allow such obvious “punctures”. And they can be criticized only in terms of historical and political correctness. The main message of the Red Hunger is approximately the following: Joseph Stalin and his entire Moscow apparatus intended to purposely “physically destroy the most active and conscious Ukrainians” in order to avoid the emergence of a nationalist movement “uniting the peasantry and the Ukrainian political elite”. Appelbaum argues that the grain of the Ukrainian peasants was specially confiscated under conditions where it was known that they had nothing to eat and that they would die of starvation. Looks like a genocide? Seem to be. But it seems only what Appelbaum is talking about, and not what actually happened.

Appelbaum, like many other adherents of the “Holodomor-genocide sect,” bypasses or deliberately distorts information that directly indicates that the Moscow leadership did not have any intention to destroy Ukrainians, and there could not be.

A wave of mass hunger in 1932 - 1933 has swept, in addition to Ukraine, across Kazakhstan, the North Caucasus, the Volga region, Siberia.
Mortality from malnutrition and related diseases in Kazakhstan in relative terms was higher than in the territory of the Ukrainian SSR.

Objective data about the exact scale of the tragedy of the beginning of 1930-s, none of the scientists do not have. Talking about 7 to millions of famine victims throughout the USSR is, to a certain extent, “free assumptions with regard to potentially unborn children.” Objectively, they are not confirmed by anything. Talking about 7 or 10 to millions of victims of hunger in Ukraine alone belongs to the sphere of non-scientific fiction. The data from one of the world's leading research centers in the field of demography, INED, looks relatively objective, in which excess mortality in the territory of the Ukrainian SSR in 1932 - 1933 is estimated at about 2 - 2,2 million people. About a million people died from starvation in Kazakhstan (given that Kazakhstan’s population was smaller in 5, the disaster turned out to be much bigger than in Ukraine). About 1 - 1,5 million people died from malnutrition in various regions of the RSFSR. It is clear that, taking into account the analysis of mortality in various regions of the USSR, the allegations of the “targeted destruction of Ukrainians” no longer hold water.

“Holodomor myth-makers” are completely ignored by the fact that already in 1933, the union center began to take desperate measures aimed at supporting the population and eliminating hunger.

In 7,5, the volume of grain loans to Ukraine increased by more than 1933 thousand tons in 500 year.

In January-February, after the discovery of the facts of mass hunger in the villages, the employees of the GPU (the “repressive-punitive”) started to help the collective farmers and individual farmers with grain, both locally and at the regional level. Millions of pounds of grain, redistributed at the level of Kiev and Moscow, were sent to Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and Chernihiv regions. Only one decision of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) of 1933 in March 6 of the Kiev region allocated 1933 million pounds of food aid! Such decisions regarding various regions and regions of the Ukrainian SSR were taken almost daily. Representatives of the People's Commissariat of Health and the Red Cross were also sent to help the starving. In the Ukrainian SSR, a network of special sites has been launched for the organization of children's nutrition.

And now - a simple question. Where is the logic in the actions of the "bloody tyrant"? Why did he throw a lot of power at the end of 1920 to transform the USSR into a modern development republic (built power plants, factories, roads, improved technical security of agriculture)? Then, on 1932, decided to suddenly destroy the Ukrainians? And then, in 1933, suddenly he rushed to desperately save them?

The answer to this question is simple. There was no “targeted destruction” of the genocide of Ukrainians in 1932 - 1933. It could not have been seen by anyone even in a nightmare. There was a coincidence of several random factors with the voluntarism and negligence of a number of officials. And at once in all agrarian regions of the Soviet Union. The unreasonably high grain procurement plans coincided with bad weather conditions and a massive outflow of "workers" to the cities. When the authorities realized that they had done, raising “bread plans” under these conditions and provoking a mass hunger, they immediately rushed to “correct the situation”. But it was too late. Millions of people died ... Moreover, the key fault in the matters of over-planning and the removal of grain lay not on the central leadership (guided by the situation with statistics coming to him from the field), but on the republican one. 1932's famine - 1933 was a monstrous tragedy and crime of a number of leaders, but by no means a genocide of Ukrainians.

The thesis of the “artificially deliberate extermination of the population” in 1932 - 1933 was originally coined by the propagandists of the Third Reich.

The relevant information was even posted in leaflets with which the Nazis campaigned to surrender to Soviet soldiers. Then this topic was picked up by the Ukrainian collaborators who fled after the war in the United States and Canada, and transferred to work in the Western special services.

And at the beginning of the 1990-s, the construction of an already "solid" myth about the Holodomor was started by the Ukrainian scientist Stanislav Kulchitsky. Even during the “bloody Soviet regime”, this man became a doctor of science and a professor. The key point in his scientific work for a long time was ... the denial of the artificial nature of 1932-1933 hunger! At the same time, Kulchitsky was not just an ordinary historian, but a member of the ideological commission of the Central Committee of the Communist Party! However, it was enough for another Soviet ideologue, Leonid Kravchuk, to announce the creation of an “independent” Ukraine, as the course of scientific thought was no longer a comrade, but Pan Kulchytsky turned to 180 degrees. It was from his submission to the “victims of the Holodomor” that all citizens of the Ukrainian SSR were recorded, who died their deaths in 1932 - 1933, and the leadership of the Communist Party (one of whose ideologists had previously been Kulchytsky himself) was accused of “genocide”.

The famous Canadian historian John-Paul Khimka wrote about him: "Kulchytsky dresses the academic sheath of lust and aspiration of those in power."

But Mr. Kulchitsky doesn’t care about the opinion of real scientists about his person ...

As it does not interest, apparently, and Anne Appebaum. This authoritative journalist and writer today began her career with writing a cookbook. But then she got into the American government programs and somehow suddenly became a prominent “Sovietologist”, having received the Pulitzer Prize for the GULAG book in 2004. Appelbaum became a member of the infamous "Council on Foreign Relations", a powerful structure associated with the Rockefeller clan and engaged, according to a number of experts, the creation of the "World Government". She is also a member of the Board of the National Endow mentfor Democracy - an organization whose activities, according to media reports, are closely linked to the CIA and officially recognized as undesirable in Russia. By the way, Ann Appelbaum’s husband, the former head of the Polish Foreign Ministry and Marshal of the Sejm Radislav Sikorsky, is known for a number of Russophobic statements ...

As you can see, the very biography of Anne Appebaum contains eloquent hints about who is the customer of her “famine” creativity.

In order to divert the world's attention from the way Kiev’s pro-American regime burns people alive in Odessa, shoots schools in the Donbas from Grad and glorifies Nazi collaborationists, it is necessary to demonize Russia.

From the point of view of the real history, the unscientific attempts of Appelbaum and other “hunger-strikers” are ridiculous, but the American, British and German inhabitants in their mass are completely far from what happened almost 90 years ago in the Soviet Union. Therefore, they can lie with impunity.
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  1. Lganhi
    Lganhi 11 November 2017 07: 31 New
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    By the way, that’s why Putin, Medvedev and other top leaders of the country make a huge mistake saying in cameras that Stalin-de was a criminal and a tyrant who killed millions of people. With such statements they only confirm all these nonsense of ukroistorikov am
    1. Nonna
      Nonna 11 November 2017 07: 49 New
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      Putin and Co. are not mistaken, but are doing it purposefully. The offshore elite of the country under Stalin fell down the forest and dug channels, and did not rob the country and people.
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 11 November 2017 08: 20 New
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        Only it will not help them. Their accounts in Western banks will be arrested, and then confiscated altogether. How the loot was confiscated from Gaddafi. He, too, was naive and believed in the honesty of Western bankers.
        1. Med_Dog
          Med_Dog 16 November 2017 17: 28 New
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          All these are our dreams.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 11 November 2017 09: 12 New
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      Quote: Lgankhi
      By the way, that’s why Putin, Medvedev and other top leaders of the country make a huge mistake saying in cameras that Stalin-de was a criminal and a tyrant who killed millions of people. With such statements they only confirm all these nonsense of ukroistorikov am

      1. They say differently, it was both criminal and good.
      2. The truth about hunger is needed, no matter who looks at it.
      3. All these applebaums do not notice the MAIN: the famine on the so-called Ukraine swept through RUSSIAN regions, forcibly slaughtered Ukraine-Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina.
      Those. in Ukraine, Russia and the Cossack autonomy of Russia (there was no Kazakhstan then), it was RUSSIAN people who died most, not Ukrainians.
      What is the genocide of Ukrainians in this context?
      1. Nonna
        Nonna 11 November 2017 09: 20 New
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        "All of these Applebaums do not notice the MAIN"

        But Jewesses of Polish descent, a rabid Russophobe and globalist do not care about the truth. Not for that, she pulls these libels from her rotten inside
      2. captain
        captain 11 November 2017 16: 05 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: Lgankhi
        By the way, that’s why Putin, Medvedev and other top leaders of the country make a huge mistake saying in cameras that Stalin-de was a criminal and a tyrant who killed millions of people. With such statements they only confirm all these nonsense of ukroistorikov am

        1. They say differently, it was both criminal and good.
        2. The truth about hunger is needed, no matter who looks at it.
        3. All these applebaums do not notice the MAIN: the famine on the so-called Ukraine swept through RUSSIAN regions, forcibly slaughtered Ukraine-Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina.
        Those. in Ukraine, Russia and the Cossack autonomy of Russia (there was no Kazakhstan then), it was RUSSIAN people who died most, not Ukrainians.
        What is the genocide of Ukrainians in this context?

        Dear Olgovich. You correctly pointed out that the famine swept mainly in the regions of Ukraine, where the Russians lived mainly. For some reason, our historians are silent about this, especially from among the true Leninists, but the most important thing; they practically do not write that hunger was in the Volga region and in the North Caucasus and the Kuban and Stavropol Territory. I don’t understand why. But I think Comrade Communist historians modestly keep silent about this tragedy, so as not to spoil the picture of their reign. But in Kazakhstan, Ukraine they remember and vice versa they play this card.
        1. MrK
          MrK 12 November 2017 01: 01 New
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          Quote: captain
          famine was in the Volga region and in the North Caucasus and the Kuban and Stavropol Territory. I don’t understand why.


          Mr. captain. 30 articles were written about the famine of the 1000's, if not more. The main reasons are indicated there. I personally give you links.
          1933 g. - Pestilence without hunger. http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/analysis/view/45517/
          Hunger! Is he a famine? http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/2272087
          Leaders of hunger. http://topwar.ru/72674-vozhdi-goloda.html
          Hunger in Ukraine in 1933 year. http: //burckina-faso.livejournal. com / 1347767.html # comments
          Sergey Mironin. Famine. Truth and lie. Scientific research of the Holodomor 1932-33 http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/2227722
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 12 November 2017 09: 15 New
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          Quote: captain
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Lgankhi
          By the way, that’s why Putin, Medvedev and other top leaders of the country make a huge mistake saying in cameras that Stalin-de was a criminal and a tyrant who killed millions of people. With such statements they only confirm all these nonsense of ukroistorikov am

          1. They say differently, it was both criminal and good.
          2. The truth about hunger is needed, no matter who looks at it.
          3. All these applebaums do not notice the MAIN: the famine on the so-called Ukraine swept through RUSSIAN regions, forcibly slaughtered Ukraine-Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina.
          Those. in Ukraine, Russia and the Cossack autonomy of Russia (there was no Kazakhstan then), it was RUSSIAN people who died most, not Ukrainians.
          What is the genocide of Ukrainians in this context?

          Dear Olgovich. You correctly pointed out that the famine swept mainly in the regions of Ukraine, where the Russians lived mainly. For some reason, our historians are silent about this, especially from among the true Leninists, but the most important thing; they practically do not write that hunger was in the Volga region and in the North Caucasus and the Kuban and Stavropol Territory. I don’t understand why. But I think Comrade Communist historians modestly keep silent about this tragedy, so as not to spoil the picture of their reign. But in Kazakhstan, Ukraine they remember and vice versa they play this card.

          Dear Yuri, they hid during the Soviet era.
          Now in Russia they write about it and write quite carefully, but without dancing on the bones. Pointing out that the tragedy affected ALL, incl. and Russian, in an ugly measure. hi
  2. Masya masya
    Masya masya 11 November 2017 07: 41 New
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    In the Canadian province of Ontario, preparations have begun for the installation of a monument in memory of victims of Ukrainian events in the early 1930s

    The rest is all clear ... in the furnace ..
    1. Smog
      Smog 11 November 2017 08: 09 New
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      Quote: Masya Masya
      all clear.

      Of course it’s clear! In the morning to the battle! lol
      Good morning ma'am! love
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 11 November 2017 08: 29 New
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        Konstantin, howdy there! love and get GREAT enjoyment of life ... live well and live well even better ... love
        love
  3. Ural resident
    Ural resident 11 November 2017 08: 26 New
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    While ours will be in the role of the defenders, this will be so.
    It is high time for oil and gas revenues not to contain the “echo of Moscow”, but to start providing grants to NPOs for writing a true story, publishing books and generating informational events about human rights violations of the so-called The civilized world. Act in the same way as they, only to preempt. We have talents in other countries that are dissatisfied with the US policy in bulk - we just need to complete the task. And let them endlessly make excuses for the extermination of the Indians, the bombing of Dresden and the atomic bomb.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 11 November 2017 09: 28 New
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      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      Act in the same way as they, only to preempt.

      Yesterday, on an 1 TV show “Time will tell” on A. Zhuravlev’s proposal to create a propaganda department, guests in the studio expressing the whole palette of our ruling class chided the initiator of this proposal in unison, accusing him of all mortal sins and almost comparing him with Goebels . Zakhar Prilepin was in this friendly choir of accusers, saying that they didn’t need to do anything like that, but only word should be given to our enemies and everything would become clear. One would like to ask Zahar: Is it clear to whom? It is clear to him, but to the children?
      All of them, to put it mildly, are crafty. The propaganda of Hollywood and Echo is primarily aimed at young people who have not yet formed a worldview. The absence of any clear position on our part deprives our children of an alternative. Thus, in years through 20-30 we will receive a society of people who despise themselves.
  4. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 11 November 2017 11: 07 New
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    It is immediately obvious that they did not study the struggle. It is necessary to run wild ahead of a steam train and confirm. And then lay out documents proving that the West in these years demanded that as payment for debts not grain, as was usual, but grain. Thus, the main culprit of the famine is the West.
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 11 November 2017 18: 27 New
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    the most “funny” thing is that the Holodomor in Western Ukraine is also hanged on Stalin and the USSR. But nothing that in these years, Western Ukraine has not yet been part of Soviet Ukraine? Well, and the most vile, when you point to documents that indicate that in those years bread was sent to Ukraine so that there was no such mortality, they have the audacity to declare: "They gave Russians, Ukrainians not." (And what about the Jews, the Blorussians, Germans, etc., who also lived in those years in Ukraine?)
  6. beeper
    beeper 13 November 2017 00: 24 New
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    "Lieutenant Rzhevsky did not like women ... did not have time" winked ? So, probably, the author of the article, in no hurry having studied the history of the global "Holodomor" of the early 30s in Europe and the USA, is for some reason surprised at the presence of hundreds of "Canadian" famines ?! smile
    In the early 2000s, I somehow talked with the mistress of Baba Tanya’s house in the Black Sea region about the Holodomor being exaggerated by the Ukrainian authorities and it turned out that before she moved to Crimea, she was born and raised in the former Polish territory of Western Ukraine and remembers this “pansky” well not Moskalsky, the Holodomor! yes (and, unlike the "Stalinist regime", the "Greater Poland regime" did not send help to the starving inhabitants of these territories, thereby condemning them to guaranteed starvation, than the genocide of the Western Ukrainians from the "hands of Warsaw", why the "universal people are stubbornly silent about this "instigators moaning about the" hand of Moscow "?!)
    The same thing happened in the “super-super-democratic” USA in the same 30s, millions of Americans died of starvation, ruined farmers were starving whole families, and for some reason, the “non-worthy” local amero (and Canadian) media do not like "remember, but too persistently and hypertrophically" remember "about the famine in the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, although the same fatal hunger was in the RSFSR and Kazakhstan?
    Probably, some immigrant elderly Canadian residents of Ukrainian origin, still Soviet children, also experienced post-war hunger when the starving people really ate plant rhizomes (for example, "young girchak" and steppe onions), tree bark and everything that was or seemed edible -My mother also didn’t like to remember this hungry time (but she was worried that there was always plenty of white bread in the house, the black one hadn’t admitted since then ...), like the war that had gone through, it was too traumatic for her - her suffocation from exploding bombs and she remembered the horror of the bombing until the end of her days — she always cried when she remembered ...
    Yes, whole villages died out in the famine of the 30s in my area, in which not only Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians lived, but also Serbs, Bulgarians, Germans, Greeks, poor Jews, who also died for a sweet soul — a vile famine does not make out the “titular” nationalities ! My relatives on my father’s and mother’s side survived only by a miracle, although the authorities curcified them, sent them to prison and sent them to the North, “deprived them of the right to vote”, lost the opportunity to legally earn a livelihood (they only learned from the scammers that they took it to work, immediately gave instructions to dismiss it ...), that is, they obviously condemned to starvation that it was, it was ... and it seemed that it was overgrown with past, "and now teper pennies for pennies," already from the "Ukrainian" side ?!
    As for the "commissioners" and "activists" involved in the "roscurculeni" and the search for total seizure of products and property, all of them were local "cadres" - not at all "Muscovites", ordinary henchmen of any government (tsarist, Makhno-Kotovsky and " independent, as well as Soviet), which even under the “vile tsarist regime” did not bother to work in the field or at the factory, but engaged in petty speculation and theft and horse theft ... Yes, and the chairman of our local collective farm was a “repainted” White Guard, therefore, he became active, beyond all measure, zealously served before the victorious Soviet regime for his “past sins”.
    Local “activists”, “sexots” and their families, for obvious reasons, did not suffer from hunger and malnutrition, but it turns out that they (“skated in oil” and under “Soviet power”, and well settled under “Ukrainian ") the descendants love the most to" tell "how their" ridiculous "supposedly spread rot" Muscovites "(about the Canadian descendants of the" offended ("Muscovites" or, nevertheless, "Poles" ???) "fugitive lackeys I don’t even say) -that is to "infect" overseas "grantors" "ne dali vmerta s hunger" wink ??!
  7. Victorio
    Victorio 13 November 2017 00: 32 New
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    Author: Svyatoslav Knyazev
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    here should be listed, at a minimum, a list of persons with academic knowledge who have studied this issue. the state does not have either the desire, or the capabilities, or the scientific staff to study, comprehend, and publish historical work on a given period, and to end speculation and constant shattering of the recent historical past from the side of everyone.
  8. ROM1077
    ROM1077 14 November 2017 03: 50 New
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    about the famine is the truth! my aunt miraculously survived him. and then thanks to the fact that her mother worked in the field and made a bag for grain that she hid in the vagina. the communists took away cattle from people and grain roads blocked the mordovorot from the NKVD .---- 10 people died daily in the village. even cannibalism was.
    1. beeper
      beeper 14 November 2017 20: 29 New
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      Yes, you correctly recalled the soldiers, mine also told me that the soldiers (they didn’t say that they were “mordovoroty”, but that the soldiers had rifles with bayonets, yes) blocked the village and didn’t allow them to get out to try to get something edible.
      I regret that I didn’t write back then (I hoped for a memory, but it is correctly said that "the dumbest pencil is better than the sharpest memory"), and there was such a time that it could go sideways to the writer ...
      My grandmother told me that on their collective farm, women wrapped a wrapped edge under a skirt or an apron like a pocket, and they could conceal some grain for their children and that she was afraid to do this because she was the daughter of a “pink girl”, she was watched in the case of a denunciation, her young children would have been left without a mother and without any chance of survival ... Grandmother’s cousin somehow managed to put her two sons on trains going towards Russia — the fate of one of her vanished boys (her children there was no more, and life went to a skew) she found out only in the 70s, it turned out that he had survived and died already in the Great Patriotic War, in the battle for our Soviet Motherland ...
      Relatives told a lot of things about that and the war-post-war Famine, but I do not want to write about it, remember it and it’s still hard to think about what they happened to survive ... you will never forget this!
      hi
  9. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 14 November 2017 11: 21 New
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    1. Soviet power eliminated the period of famine in Ukraine and throughout Russia. Life expectancy increased and mortality declined. Of course, if you look at the world through the eyes of German or American imperialism, this is pure "genocide." Throughout their world, the deepest economic catastrophe, and in the USSR there is industrialization and growth. And this is how the ray of hope, the anti-Soviet part of the peasants in the USSR fed, will destroy the population of large cities by hunger, but they did not succeed. This is worse than genocide.
    2. The whole eta story of the victims of the famine of 1932-33 is based only on demographic calculations, which, if done correctly, give a result of about zero.
    1. beeper
      beeper 14 November 2017 19: 48 New
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      How is it in the still Soviet film "Slave of Love": "Gentlemen, you are animals!"?
      "Lieutenant" Kostadinov, who are you? With all due respect to the fraternal Bulgarian people as a whole ... where did you dig up this vile Soviet propaganda ... oops, ... distian "horror story" about the "anti-Soviet peasants" who allegedly "tried to destroy the population of large cities by famine"? How do you imagine such a “drink (it was inspired, from an old joke, by the Stalinist:“ drink is not torture, is it true, comrade Beria ?! ”)))” or you are replicating this utter nonsense without thinking at all, or maybe not at all Having understood the meaning due to incomplete knowledge of the Russian language?
      Indeed, in life it was quite the opposite — our steppe villages were cordoned off by military units (the NKVD or the Red Army, but the soldiers did not give the opportunity to go out and try to get to the city or to more prosperous volosts in order to get at least something edible for themselves and their families), and the уполномоч authorized ’and’ activists ’were involved in sweeping, searching and seizing all food supplies, despite hungry children — peasant families were then large ...). What was, it was and sunk into oblivion (there are no longer those people, the world of their ashes, who have suffered all the Bolshevik "excesses on the ground"), although now it is full of opportunists, "varnishes" of history, rewriting it in a light favorable to themselves, to "fuck" ... for themselves material dividends.
      Do you believe in God, the "friend" of Kostadinov? ... As Schweik said in such cases: “God's millstones are ground slowly but surely ?!”
  10. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 14 November 2017 20: 01 New
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    Also, the author forgot to write about the Urals; there was also a famine here. In tsarist Russia, it happened every 5-7 years, but Svanidze is silent about this ...