Two suicides of servicemen in the military unit Boguchar a week

Voronezh mass media publish material, which refers to the next act of suicide in one of the military units located in the region. We are talking about the military city of Boguchar. The report says that the soldier of the contract service brought life bills. The man was 33 of the year. He was not married and had no children. Colleagues characterize him as a non-conflict and balanced person. The reasons that pushed the soldier to make a hanging, the soldiers can not say.
Information resource RIA "Voronezh" cites information that the person who committed the suicide act served in the rank of senior sergeant. He was from Kalach, Voronezh Region.

Earlier it was reported that another soldier committed suicide in the same military unit 3 in November. This is an ordinary conscription service. Local sources claim that allegedly from the young “conscript” money was demanded in the ultimatum form, and psychological pressure was put on him.
The Ministry of Defense does not officially confirm this information.

Last year, the media reported that in a military unit located in Boguchar four deaths of servicemen were reported. In particular, in September, 2016 suicide was committed by an 35-year-old contact soldier. The presumptive version is a spat with a spouse.

Comments

[210ox]

You can’t get into the soul of a person? But you have to .. These people are with weapons and what and how they have it, it is important.

[tomket]

Quote: 210ox

You can’t get into the soul of a person? But you have to .. These people are with weapons and what and how they have it, it is important.

It is not necessary to climb into the souls of people, but into the socio-psychological situation in the HF, to look so closely why conscripts are taking their life’s scores, why are the contractors? Is everything okay in HF with discipline? Check the compliance of commanders, including the commander of the HF. People just do not shoot and hang themselves.

[Solomon Kane]

why conscripts do away with life, why contractors

Why? And why are 15, 16-year-olds throwing themselves from rooftops? Why? Consciousness among our youth
sick ... Nobody horseradish (plant) from the guys from the hinterland does not shoot and does not run away from the unit .... This is with those who are spoiled by their parents, good life in the metropolis, random people in the army, went to serve evil or in spite of. .... And every fool is a nanny - you can’t put a commander ...

In September 2016, a 35-year-old contact officer committed suicide. The presumptive version is a quarrel with a spouse.

I immediately remembered the guys from the MTR in Syria and 300 spirits against them .... here it is the value of human life ...

[tomket]

Quote: Solomon Kane

I immediately remembered the guys from the MTR in Syria and 300 spirits against them .... here it is the value of human life ...

I didn’t remember Tsar Leonid by chance?

[Solomon Kane]

He remembered that even the thought of suicide was a crime under him ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Solomon Kane

Consciousness among our youth
sick ...

yes uzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh, you can’t argue ... they even have the audacity to dabble at rallies, yell about poverty and, at the same time, shoot all this on mobile phones of the latest models !!!

[FlyEngine]

Proud representatives of the mountain peoples (and not only), being in the Russian army, put the boys on a bottle, beat them on the head with stools and take the money - so the boys themselves are to blame, right?

[TsUS-Air Force]

30 and 35 years old is not 15-16. it’s already some kind of life experience not boys at all

[The brightest]

Quote: Solomon Kane

Why? And why are 15, 16-year-olds throwing themselves from rooftops?

This is puberty, puberty, at this age emotions and Wishlist prevail over the mind. And the people who passed the commission are already at least sexually mature and mentally healthy. Comparing them with 30-year-old men is inappropriate to say the least.

[Solomon Kane]

The right to live is such a generous, such an undeserved gift that it more than pays for all the sorrows of life, every single one

If you didn’t think about it at 16, I don’t think that by 30 the awareness will come .......
The older we get, the more we feel the need to live ..... Remember about the generations that survived the Great Patriotic War ....

[To be or not to be]

They made fun. Comrade Major General !!

The task of all commanders is to minimize them or prevent them altogether. And to answer the regiment commander for the fact that his fighter is doing small things under the Christmas tree on Red Square .... has the opposite effect
Analysis specifically for each case ..

[NIKNN]

Quote: 210ox

You can’t get into the soul of a person? But you have to .. These people are with weapons and what and how they have it, it is important.

To get into the soul, this is the professional duty of psychologists when undergoing a medical commission ... And they are busy with one thought, how to earn extra money on the call, who wants to serve him, who doesn’t want either, and both for the money ...

[SRC P-15]

On the reasons that pushed the soldier to hang, the military can not say.

More like violent hanging. Why should a contractor with a weapon hang himself when it’s easier to shoot himself? I think so.

[adma]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

More like violent hanging. Why should a contractor with a weapon hang himself when it’s easier to shoot himself? I think so.

Did he have a gun on a constant toe? Did he hang himself while serving in a dress or guard? And who needs it? Is he a nachfin? Is he the head of the RAV warehouse? The secretary? Such
there are enough domestic suicides in the army and in civilian life.
And any healer or expert will cure a hangover from suicide by time.

[Mikado]

And they are busy with one thought, how to earn extra money on the call, who wants to serve him, who do not want too, and both for money ...

Nikolai (I don’t know for his patronymic), "to blame" is generally a matter for a psychiatrist. The opinion of a psychologist is always recommendatory. With respect, Nicholai
sorry guys sincerely. Land they rest in peace.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Mikado

"blame" is generally a psychiatrist's business.

I apologize, I was mistaken, such news was annoying, I was slightly lost ..., but a psychiatrist. In fact, everything that I said above applies to the entire commission, the children of friends came across, thank God this fate did not affect me.

[Mikado]

strain, of course ... It is necessary to watch a part. The medical board is a separate issue, here you can write a book. It’s just that on my own - it’s the psychologists who just do not have a relationship with “making money on the call”. I just worked in this service for a while, though not in the army. with respect,

[NIKNN]

Quote: Mikado

strain, of course ... It is necessary to watch a part. The medical board is a separate issue, here you can write a book. It’s just that on my own - it’s the psychologists who just do not have a relationship with “making money on the call”. I just worked in this service for a while, though not in the army. with respect,

Of course, the reasons may not be measured and, as a rule, such a type of people is the least predictable. (Not noticed, not stood out, not in conflict, not married) It would be better if he drank vodka and

[Mikado]

sometimes a person may not stand out at all .. until the first glass .. and then it starts, and it all ends with his removal from the nearest police station ..
but here is another in the article. About suicides, you can write a separate article, a bunch of materials. It may be situational (in a state of deep shock); if a person goes for a long time to this, one must watch his behavior. Anything can happen. God forbid anyone! People should not leave like that ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: NIKNN

To get into the soul, this is the professional duty of psychologists when undergoing a medical commission ... And they are busy with one thought, how to earn extra money on the call, who wants to serve him, who doesn’t want either, and both for the money ...

So here is the contract. It seems like a conscious choice. It may just be a family disorder. In our military school, after a winter vacation in the very first guard, a cadet shot himself. As it turned out later because of a friend. Stupidity and weakness .... I did not solve the problem, but I punished myself and my relatives.

[Solomon Kane]

Not necessary info .... We have catastrophic statistics on suicide in our country ... No la !!! It is necessary to stick an army to this topic ....
These people with weapons .... , and on the "citizen" driving a dump truck ... and the police ....? Bullshit !!
It was not worth even raising the topic ...

[ando_bor]

I looked at the statistics on mortality in the Russian army when it was open in 2011, sort of like, for all reasons - crime, various kinds of accidents, traffic accidents - many times less than on a civilian in the same gender and age group, suicides are about the same, - from myself you can’t hide in the army, and suicide that year is almost half the deaths.

[Berkut24]

You can’t get into the soul of a person? But you have to .. These people are with weapons and what and how they have it, it is important.

Often in the service, everything is much simpler than in personal life. The reasons for the end may be thousands.

[ul_vitalii]

Sorry. They kept everything in themselves, and here the psychologist will not help, it was obvious and there was no one to share with. Lived, lived and made that decision, sorry.

[Primoos]

We come to This WORLD against our will, but each one is free to leave in his own way. Climbing a noose is a vile death. He condemned himself, hung himself. I clearly knew why.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: ul_vitalii

the psychologist will not help

Psychology, darkness, the human soul, even more so.
When I took a test with a psychologist at the military registration and enlistment office, I asked her a question:
Does she realize that the STANDARD tests are only suitable for conscription in peacetime ...

She answered yes, but there are no others ...

[Doliva63]

Draft selection / screening - Chukhna and primitive. Once upon a time, the thought came to recover in the army, it was only necessary to go through the medical board in the RVC. He went through all the doctors in the same queue with the recruits (there was a continuous kapets), it remained for the chairman of the commission to sign the "runner", and he, the bastard, first decided to look at the "military man" - it says why I was fired from the army. He built all the doctors in the office and took out their brains for a long time: like, you want to put me in jail - the comrade’s skull is plastic, and you write to him “he’s fit, fit for the airborne forces”.
Another thing - in the troops, in a couple of units on the psycho, etc. testing was allocated the whole day, by evening you are not thinking anything. It was easier with the fighters, but doctors also tortured them pretty hard for psycho-resistance.

[Herculesic]

This is a job for military prosecutors, with someone fleeing shoulder straps the article is "bringing to suicide" again! Of course, I condole with the relatives, friends and families of the victims, but why does this happen to contract workers? ?? I think, and I’m even sure that this could have been avoided if desired. Hence the conclusions — someone doesn’t have such a desire, and turning a blind eye to problems in the unit has become the norm, not the exception to the rule.

[verner1967]

Quote: Herkulesich

but why does this happen to contract workers?

if I understood correctly what part we are talking about, then there is nothing surprising, they drove people out into the open field, there is a hostel for officers in the middle of the mud. My daughter's classmate married an officer to my daughter, and he was transferred there along with a unit. A month later she left there.

[tomket]

Quote: verner1967

if I understood correctly what part we are talking about, then there is nothing surprising, they drove people out into the open field, there is a hostel for officers in the middle of the mud.

In theory, there is a German military town. Oh yes, during the Putin-Yanukovych friendship, it was transferred to the balance of the city. And apparently they did not build a new one, because there is no money.

[verner1967]

Quote: tomket

In theory, there is a German military town.

I say, depending on which part. The town was built in the 90s and is already populated, and the part I wrote about was transferred there in 2014, after the events in Ukraine. At my daughter's girlfriend, she married an officer, stayed there for two months and returned.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: verner1967

if I understood correctly what part we are talking about, then there is nothing surprising, they drove people out into the open field, there is a hostel for officers in the middle of the mud. My daughter's classmate married an officer to my daughter, and he was transferred there along with a unit. A month later she left there.

You understood correctly. That's just no "hostel wander through the mud" and there is no mention. Yes! There was a military town, given to the balance of the city, but for some reason in the morning officers went out of all the porches to the service. Even if they have rented accommodation, then compensation is due for a raise (I don’t know the size). Five new houses have been built, finishing work is underway, maybe even by the new year there will be an introduction. The open field was in '94, a natural open field and rows of tanks and other equipment. The officers lived in all the surrounding villages; in the mornings, the covered Urals and Kamazes from each regiment in all villages collected them for service. Now there are no such problems. And your acquaintance rather escaped for the city's joys, and not from a hopeless life (by chance, not a lady from the Lower Say?). The most important sign, the kids reappeared, so life goes on.

[sibiryk]

Even if they have rented accommodation, then compensation is due for a raise (I don’t know the size).

The amounts of payments for renting housing since 2015 are very decent, but for officers.

[verner1967]

Quote: kirgiz58

And your acquaintance soon escaped for city pleasures, and not from a hopeless life

in fact, she left to give birth and left precisely from this hostel in the mud (as a family gave) this cat came without a family, he was definitely not given a hostel.

[kirgiz58]

What is the address of this hostel and I will send a photo of it. We have no dirt here, if only we can consider it a freshly sprinkled lawn with grass that has not yet sprouted.

[verner1967]

Quote: kirgiz58

What is the address of this hostel and I will send a photo of it.

well, only it’s not fast, we all live in different cities

[tomket]

Quote: Herkulesich

This is a job for military prosecutors, with someone fleeing shoulder straps the article is "bringing to suicide" again!

Well, not the fact that they will fly. As you can see, the case in the HF is not the first, and something is not audible for someone to fly, or the cases of suicide have stopped.

Quote: Herkulesich

but why does this happen to contract workers

A person goes to work in the military specialty, and is faced with criminality, extortion and pressure.

Quote: Herkulesich

Hence the conclusions - someone doesn’t have such a desire, and turning a blind eye to problems in the unit has become the norm, and not an exception to the rule.

Well, it’s clear that since the cases of suicide continue, nothing has changed there. Apparently dear people in uniform sat there in different positions, and they are not worried in vain, for such trifles as military suicide.

[Fedya2017]

Information about the causes of suicide of these people is not available, only assumptions ... And they themselves will not tell. The contractors were adults, with their own personal lives ... But with the boy the conscript, what kind of money and who extorted, could the investigation really not be able to figure it out?

[Egorovich]

Here it is necessary to deal with the leadership of this military unit without fail. With everyone from the bottom to the top. And the guilty on the bunk. Four people in a year, it’s definitely someone’s crime.

[tomket]

Quote: Egorovich

Four people in a year, it’s definitely someone’s crime.

This is gouging commander of the HF.

Quote: Egorovich

Here it is necessary to deal with the leadership of this military unit without fail.

Apparently the hands do not reach.

Quote: Egorovich

And the guilty on the bunk.

Something I have never heard about the serious punishment of the commander of the HF for suicide or unrest. So, reprimands are mainly public reprimand in the press.

[Egorovich]

That's why you need to understand, and not close your eyes. Four people in 2016 and one more at that. Is this the norm?

[Sergey53]

Since at the moment the ball is ruled by money, they will decide the same.

[Egorovich]

I do not think so. Let's hope that the guilty will be punished, and they are 100% there. And in full.

[Kurochkin]

At that !!! I thought that Comrade Shoigu had eradicated hazing in the Army !!!

[Doliva63]

He doesn’t know such a word — whence he himself had never served in the army!

[foreman]

commander for the gills!

[Alexander S.]

The unit would be disbanded as unfit ... once suicide goes on stream.

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander S.

The unit would be disbanded as unfit ... once suicide goes on stream.

So once disbanded, also enjoyed notoriety at the end of existence. The new part is also beginning to gain notoriety ....

[kirgiz58]

Quote: tomket

So once disbanded, also enjoyed notoriety at the end of existence. The new part is also beginning to gain notoriety ....

Share disband information? And so there are 2 BHVT remnants of the 10th Guards Army and the battalion tactical group from the Novgorod Division. And there is no mention of any 20 army (about which there was so much "singing" in the press), and the restoration of 10 guards in the initial version in Boguchar. I almost forgot! There is also a military police, a kind of "raspberry berets", what I do not know.

[tomket]

Quote: kirgiz58

Share disband information?

What's the secret? The tank division was withdrawn from Germany to a pure field in 1994. To 1997-98 rebuilt a military town. By 2004 -2005, there was practically one name from the division. Then the town was transferred to the balance of Boguchar, all the apartments were sold out. Among conscripts, Boguchar was not particularly famous. It was considered one of the asses in the world, where it was not recommended to get there. Then the division as such was abolished, essentially providing a storage base for equipment remained. Well, in the 2014 year they realized that it was disbanded early, because the border was empty. How things are now, they were not particularly interested, I heard that the locals were not particularly eager to serve there.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: tomket

How things are now, they were not particularly interested, I heard that the locals were not particularly eager to serve there.

Your rumors are not true. The locals would be happy to serve, so who will take them. The states of the bases have not changed, just a battalion tactical group from the Novgorod division was added to them (I don’t know what kind of beast and what they eat it with). And about "one of the asses of the world": so we have all the assholes, only Taman with cantemation and the Sevastopol brigade (in Teply Stan) do not belong to them. Although if viewed from a position of order, it will be quite the opposite.

[bald]

Similar had to be seen in real life. Complete corruption - and everyone knows, but will remain silent - until the tomatoes are torn off. It’s high time to end this — there are honest officers.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: tomket

Quote: 210ox

You can’t get into the soul of a person? But you have to .. These people are with weapons and what and how they have it, it is important.

It is not necessary to climb into the souls of people, but into the socio-psychological situation in the HF, to look so closely why conscripts are taking their life’s scores, why are the contractors? Is everything okay in HF with discipline? Check the compliance of commanders, including the commander of the HF. People just do not shoot and hang themselves.

That's right! Something wrong is going on in the kingdom. Create a commission from the military prosecutor’s office and investigators. Until the dissolution, and arrest, and dismissal of the fathers of the commanders, as in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. That would value people’s lives.

[bald]

What would normally be going on in part, I myself went through, this is not a commission and the Vienna prosecutor's office, they eat at the expense of the people. Russia - let's get better - the main thing is that we guys are missing out - these are our children and youth. Think, I'm sorry, I love politics, respectively.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: bald

What would normally be going on in part, I myself went through, this is not a commission and the Vienna prosecutor's office, they eat at the expense of the people. Russia - let's get better - the main thing is that we guys are missing out - these are our children and youth. Think, I'm sorry, I love politics, respectively.

Sorry, I'm sorry generously, but I didn’t understand anything, from your speech ????????????????

[bald]

Ah, YOU, do not confuse white with black
.

[bald]

Sorry, I read it myself and am amazed - honestly ashamed - I was drunk - rarely but painfully - I didn't understand a damn thing about what I wanted to say. I'm sorry.

[Holoy]

The commander is to blame! Mess! Under the judgment of the commander! Break away from the life of his team ...

[Doliva63]

Sure sure In ZABVO, somehow the commander of the military unit was tried by a court of honor! And then he quickly reached the deputy head committee of the SV

[Razvedka_Boem]

You read comments .. Gloom .. In a couple of weeks there will be a more complete info and a clear comment from the MO.

[cariperpaint]

there I look at parts in general a mess full of work with personnel ... to no gate whatsoever ... there is no longer a commission from the district but from the Moscow Region should fly in and head will fly from top to bottom ... I remember a similar case a very long time ago in one the shelf near Khabarovsk was removed by everyone and everything.

[Bronevick]

The commander of the unit must be changed.

[Aloemc]

I live in + 150km from this part.
About 3-4 years ago, there were rumors that there was a very tough hazing (they were brought into a room and beaten by a crowd) a couple of similar stories were told by a friend who was not lucky enough to serve there.
What is happening there now I can’t know, unfortunately.

[ver_]

Quote: adma

Quote: СРЦ П-15

More like violent hanging. Why should a contractor with a weapon hang himself when it’s easier to shoot himself? I think so.

Did he have a gun on a constant toe? Did he hang himself while serving in a dress or guard? And who needs it? Is he a nachfin? Is he the head of the RAV warehouse? The secretary? Such
there are enough domestic suicides in the army and in civilian life.
And any healer or expert will cure a hangover from suicide by time.

... and * sledak * is it necessary? Moreover, the investigation will be entrusted to the one who needs ...

[tolmachiev51]

For the command, this is the alarm !!! change the command structure with the corresponding conclusions.

[Sergey956]

When suicides occur in a military unit, the higher command should conduct the most thorough investigation of the moral climate in the unit. I suppose that everything is not normal there. Somewhere, the fathers-commanders have gone too far and felt impunity.

[Belarus is Russia]

This is bad and sad news.
It is necessary to find out everything, to restore the causes and effects. Guilty, to punish, I am sure there are those who intentionally or by their military actions led to suicide. And to make sure that this does not happen.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: bald

Sorry, I read it myself and am amazed - honestly ashamed - I was drunk - rarely but painfully - I didn't understand a damn thing about what I wanted to say. I'm sorry.

IT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!