Trial launch of the main engines of the frigate “Admiral of the fleet of Kasatons”

Severnaya Verf Shipyard (part of USC) JSC made a trial run of mid-flight engines of the main power plant of the first serial frigate of project 22350 Admiral fleet Kasatonov, "according to a press release received by Military Review

In addition, it is reported that tested single and parallel operation of four diesel generators. Mooring certificates for fire extinguishing systems, drainage, fresh water, air conditioning are closed on the frigate. The ship has put into operation medical and galley blocks, equipment for cabins and cockpits, a mess room and a canteen, sanitary facilities.

The press service noted that the counterparties fulfilled several months later the delivery of part of the ship's furniture, which delayed the complete set of cabins and cockpits. Now the last batch of furniture is already being shipped, and the frigate is being prepared for its acceptance and installation. The primary coloring of the premises is carried out at a prompt pace. In total on the order it is necessary to paint more than 500 of various rooms. The final painting should be carried out during the audit immediately before the ship is handed over to the customer.

At the end of November, shipbuilders of the Northern Shipyard will start presenting the frigate “Admiral of the Fleet of Kasaton” to representatives of the brigade of ships under construction and repair. After accepting the order by the crew, the crew of the ship will take a course that will last two or three months. Upon its completion, tentatively in February 2018 of the year, the introduction of the crew to the “Kasatons” will begin. Sea trials of the order are scheduled for early summer.

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[maxim947]

And importantly, domestic engines

[Going]

Quote: maxim947

And importantly, domestic engines

God grant that we would finally get rid of dependence on power plants.

[Zibelew]

Quote: maxim947

And importantly, domestic engines

On Kasatonov are Ukrainian gas turbines.

[maxim947]

I haven’t seen it myself, but here:
Diesel-gas-turbine unit M-55P (CODAG scheme) manufactured by CJSC Turborus [1], consisting of two afterburned gas turbine engines M90FR (NPO Saturn) [2] and two marching diesel engines 10D49 of the Kolomna plant

[Zibelew]

Kasatonov is the last of the owners of power plants from bGatyev. More precisely, a gas turbine created jointly with Ukraine. Diesel yes, ours. Saturn made a kit for the assembly of gas turbines. This kit was sent to Ukraine in Zorya-Mashproekt, where it was assembled into a turbine, a gearbox designed and manufactured by Ukrainian software Zarya was connected to it, and the resulting complex was tested at the stand. One engine from Kasatonov was transferred to Gorshkov. The Gorshkov engine broke down during testing and was sent for repair. The results of this repair are unknown. Thus, one turbine on Kasatonovo, and the second should be from the "Admiral Gorshkov."
Completely Russian gas turbines will not be earlier than 2018.

[maxim947]

I don’t know the details, information from the network. But even so, there is still progress.

[Krabik]

This progress has been standing in one place for 5 years and there is no end in sight ...

[alexmach]

What exactly do you think indicates the presence of progress in the data presented?

PS: I do not say that it is not there, but not a single fact testifies to it either in the article or in the discussion above.

[Bourbon]

Quote: Zibelew

Completely Russian gas turbines will not be earlier than 2018.

not earlier than December 31, 2018

[alexmach]

It seems that the installation kit has already begun to run in. What kind of kit this is and what will happen to it after break-in is an open question.

[Bourbon]

Quote: maxim947

And importantly, domestic engines

Well, if you take into account that Ukraine is Russia, then domestic

[maxim947]

Domestic engines and a turbine like Saturn, that's the question with the gearbox

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Going

Quote: maxim947

And importantly, domestic engines

God grant that we would finally get rid of dependence on power plants.

May 5, 2016 at 15:14
A prototype of a Russian-made gas turbine unit for the promising frigate of project 22350 will go for testing in 2017. This was announced by vice president of military shipbuilding of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Igor Ponomarev.

According to Fontanka, within the framework of the import substitution program, plans have been agreed to create gas turbine engines in Russia, the base enterprise for the construction of which has been determined by NPO Saturn.
"Serial delivery to ships under construction of project 22350 will begin at the end of 2017," said Igor Ponomarev.

Currently, three frigates of project 22350 are being built for the Russian Navy, another one, the lead ship of the Admiral Gorshkov project, is being tested in the Northern Fleet.

The construction of serial ships is delayed due to the breakdown of cooperation with Ukraine. In particular, now the industry has a complete set of energy for the second ship of the series - Admiral Kasatonov, and for the third - Admiral Golovko - the equipment was not completely received before breaking ties with Ukraine.

On Wednesday, May 4, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that the six newest frigates would only be put into service in 2025, and not by 2020, as was planned for the state arms program.
http://flotprom.ru/2016/Оск5/

[maxim947]

I will add rumors, one of the engines on Kasatonov from Gorshkov, his second

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: maxim947

I will add rumors, one of the engines on Kasatonov from Gorshkov, his second

like there for the first two ships from Ukrainians (which was part of them) everyone got !!!

[alexmach]

What is your own? His production, or from the Ukrainian party originally intended for Kasatonov?

Optimism is certainly good, but realism is generally more useful.

[maxim947]

Own - this is the one that was originally intended for Kasatonov:

Marching engines on the frigate of project 22350 are diesel engines of the Kolomensky Zavod, with the production and supply of which there are no problems. For afterburners - gas turbines, there is no information. Most likely, joint production with Ukraine ...
Optimism is certainly good, but realism is generally more useful.[i] [/ i] completely agree.

[x.andvlad]

There is not a word about this in the article. But if our engines, then this is significant.

[Nikolai Grek]

The Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov will be transferred to the fleet next year. He is to replenish the naval personnel of the Baltic Fleet of Russia.fficeffice "/>
“Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov” is the first frigate of the far sea zone built in Russia after the collapse of the USSR. Until 2020, they promise in the Ministry of Defense, the Navy will receive ten more ships of this type. It is assumed that they will be part of all four fleets of the Russian Navy.
Currently, Turborus CJSC has concluded an agreement with Severnaya Verf Shipyard for the supply of DGTA M-55R diesel-gas turbine units for the second ship of this series, Admiral of the Fleet of Kasatonov, which was laid in November last year.
“For CJSC Turborus, launching a ship from the DGTA M55R is a joyful, significant event. 17 years of work (since 1993) on the creation, testing, conducting MVI, manufacturing and delivery of serial samples behind, ”said A.D. Turborus, Director General of CJSC Brovkin. “These years, in addition to work on the M55R unit, were filled with maintenance work in the operation of the gas turbine engine of the ships of all fleets and fleets of the Russian Federation, the provision of repair of gas turbine engines and units, as well as gaining experience in the design, development and manufacture of offshore gas turbine engines from GP NPKG “Zorya” - “Mashproekt” (Nikolaev, Ukraine), which is our co-founder. This experience made it possible to create two types of gas turbine engine sizes at NPO Saturn: M75R with a capacity of up to 7000 l / s and M70FR with a capacity of up to 14 000 l / s by order of the Russian Navy, learn how to design a gas turbine engine, gas turbine ship and ship, start work on creating a gas turbine engine with a capacity “8 MW as well as 16 and 25 MW for civil vessels, vessels with electric propulsion and many others,” he added.

http://www.turborus.com/?act=showfull&id=1289
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[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: maxim947

And importantly, domestic engines

right now, all scouts will seize themselves and tell you that these ships had to plow the seas and oceans for a long time !!!!

[Mar.Tirah]

As they said about the furniture, I almost grabbed the kondrat, Serdyukov remembered. It was not said by night. I hope she is also domestic?

[210ox]

I can understand the delay in the delivery of complex mechanisms .. But the furniture ... Karl! Furniture!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: 210ox

I can understand the delay in the delivery of complex mechanisms .. But the furniture ... Karl! Furniture!

Is furniture supposed to be made by a heavyweight company? And for this, furniture is a rather complicated product. I think, not serial, and adapted purely for each room separately. Nomenclature, composition and requirements for the entire kit. In sum, this is not such a simple task.
But my experience suggests that the nit-picking for box containers at our factory upon presentation of my product to the military representative, demonstrates its exactingness and integrity, at the same time it does not connect us all with lengthy refinement and additional tests. Perhaps this is also from this opera.

[San Sanych]

Seven feet under the keel!

[Bourbon]

Quote: San Sanych

Seven feet under the keel!

to whom? .... to the corps?

[San Sanych]

Yes, do not worry you so much) as they say, the road will overpower everything has its time

[Michael67]

"... construction and repair ships." Wherever you go, everywhere they write with errors. Ships under construction and repair!

[KGB WATCH YOU]

How long have they been building. Severnaya Verf is a brake on Russian shipbuilding.

[Seaflame]

Who will build faster now? Where are the qualified specialists, where is the equipment? In 1999 I graduated from the university, specializing in sonar. Of all our group, not a single person worked in their specialty ... Not a single one, Karl!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: KGB WATCH YOU

How long have they been building. Severnaya Verf is a brake on Russian shipbuilding.

yeah ... sit and have nothing to do build them for so long !!!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: KGB WATCH YOU

How long have they been building. Severnaya Verf is a brake on Russian shipbuilding.

You write nonsense. Ships are being built in thousands of factories. Cooperation is broken with the collapse of the USSR. My low-current boxes, manufactured in Siberia at a plant owned by the Ministry of Coal Industry, went to the fleet. On the icebreaker "Arctic" there were about 2 thousand. And how much is left outside the borders of Russia? And how many factories in Russia disappeared as a result of Perestroika?

[Neputin]

Three times URY !, comrades. Here hezh, your mother, we will soon celebrate the launch of latrine on the ship! Got it.

[IL-18]

There he is! The collective image of biomass of the late eighties of the last century. The main thing is to throw off the homeland with feces. And the broken ties with the enterprises of the entire Union, the destroyed education system, the collapsed production, the lost technology and the long list of negative things that have happened since 1985, is what happened then thanks to criticism of the following:

Quote: Neputin

Three times URY !, comrades. Here hezh, your mother, we will soon celebrate the launch of latrine on the ship! Got it.

Yes, a lot of things are bad yet, and will be for a long time. But to rejoice that there is a movement forward is unknown for such people, for this “thinking minority” has to do the hard work called: to think, there is no way, because of the lack of function, this is done by the cerebral cortex. Go to an unauthorized rally, or something. Maybe he’ll fly down the head with a club, you’ll start to think.

[Herculesic]

With fear, I think how in 10 years the fleet will cost in Russia! Now to build a frigate or corvette is a whole epic story! ! And after the same 10 years, we will massively buy warships for the fleet in China, maybe even used them, because in our country shipbuilders will die out by that time. ..

[seti]

Quote: Herkulesich

With fear, I think how in 10 years the fleet will cost in Russia! Now to build a frigate or corvette is a whole epic story! ! And after the same 10 years, we will massively buy warships for the fleet in China, maybe even used them, because in our country shipbuilders will die out by that time. ..

They will normally build. For gain experience, young staff will learn. Shipyards will complete the modernization. The Star plant in the Far East will earn. And most importantly, over these 10 years, we will saturate our coastal waters with corvettes and frigates and debug the production of power plants at NPO Saturn .. We will run a new nuclear installation on new icebreakers. For the production of large ships, large docks are needed in Severodvinsk and in St. Petersburg. There, since the production of equipment, metals, everything else in the same regions. Of course, there is a Gulf plant in Kerch with a good dock, but it is unlikely that they will be entrusted with the production of combat units.
Only then will it be possible to swipe at the large ships of the Tipo destroyers and the Storm aircraft carriers. Now it is difficult to implement. For earlier such ships were built in Nikolaev. In the meantime, he is still in the country 4o4.
The main thing is to understand what we really need. One or two aircraft carriers that have nowhere to put because the infrastructure under them is zero or 10-12 nuclear powered ships of the Borey type. It’s enough to look at Kuzya - for many years he hasn’t got his own house.

[ul_vitalii]

All set out correctly.

[siemens7774]

Well, already at the Bay factory in Kerch 16 ships should be built. On the slipway, 2 pcs Pr-22160, 5 pcs Pr-19910, 2 pcs Pr-15310

[Non liberoid Russian]

even if theoretically Nikolayev becomes Russian, then I'm afraid shipbuilding will not get better ... there from the factories some foundations will soon remain

[seti]

Quote: Not a liberoid Russian

even if theoretically Nikolayev becomes Russian, then I'm afraid shipbuilding will not get better ... there from the factories some foundations will soon remain

All right. Therefore, it is worth developing your shipyards and creating infrastructure for future ships now. Since it is not enough to build a ship, it needs to be maintained somewhere.
I hope in the future a new shipyard in the Far East will build not only the planned tankers and gas carriers, but also warships of large displacement. And engage in repair and modernization.

[Neputin]

Oh! Yes you are a seti optimist! “Gaining experience” - what kind of experience? From the construction of boats? "Young staff will learn" - what staff? Stylists and economists?
“Shipyards will finish modernization” - they have not yet begun it. "... we will saturate our coastal waters with corvettes and frigates and we will debug the production of power plants at NPO Saturn." We have been setting up production of power plants since 2000 - no end has yet been seen. And as for the saturation of coastal waters - so far, except for guan, we cannot saturate our coastal waters. How many combat-ready corvettes (patrols with machine-gun weapons do not count too many) have stood over the past 10 years. Three, or 5, but not more. This is all just funny ... and very bitter.

[Nikolai Grek]

at what plant do you work and build our fleet ????

[Neputin]

I do not quite understand who your question is addressed to, but if to me, then I will answer. Ships did not teach me how to build, but they taught me how to do much more, no less important. And I have been doing this intensively all my life and do not whine about the cheap penny and endless stupidity of the leadership. To many VO commentators, before my labor intensity, even as far as Moscow in Karachik.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Neputin

I do not quite understand who your question is addressed to, but if to me, then I will answer. Ships did not teach me how to build, but they taught me how to do much more, no less important. And I have been doing this intensively all my life and do not whine about the cheap penny and endless stupidity of the leadership. To many VO commentators, before my labor intensity, even as far as Moscow in Karachik.

to Herculesych, who is thinking about building ships from the couch !!!!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Herkulesich

With fear, I think how in 10 years the fleet will cost in Russia! Now to build a frigate or corvette is a whole epic story! ! And after the same 10 years, we will massively buy warships for the fleet in China, maybe even used them, because in our country shipbuilders will die out by that time. ..

In 10 years it will be much easier to build than now. This does not mean that they will build more. Faster and projects will be carried out not outdated as a result of long-term construction, but modern, with new ideas in the drawings. The quantity also depends on military plans.

[seti]

Quote: KGB WATCH YOU

How long have they been building. Severnaya Verf is a brake on Russian shipbuilding.

Maybe you get a fitter there and show how to work with your hands and not your fingers on the keyboard?
Let me remind you:

[Lem]

Or maybe just Joseph Vissarionovich to the Kremlin, not? Oh, how many vacant posts it will appear, how many snickering finger-pointing people, whose ears cannot be seen from the cheeks, will be added to the case ....

[KGB WATCH YOU]

I'm not going to show anything, not my field of activity. Look at the GPV 2020 regarding the fleet, and compare with what will be transferred to the fleet. People responsible for the fleet discredited themselves.
By the way, under Stalin, too, the fleet did not know how to build.

[Berkut24]

contractors several months later delivered part of the ship's furniture, which delayed the complete set of cabins and cockpits.

Why isn’t our army so lucky with the furniture makers?

[next322]

Now we are waiting for an article on the complete shipment and installation of furniture on a frigate ...... and again we wish seven feet))))

[loginovich]

I served in air defense and what the marching engine looks like on missiles and what I’m well prepared for. I work in the merchant navy, that in the Soviet, that I didn’t meet the marching engine in the enemy term. I probably missed something in the development of shipbuilding in the Russian Federation. I mean, an expert wrote an article seen the ships in the pictures.

[Veteran]

Under normal circumstances, a military NK with a gas turbine or combined electric power plant always goes on an economic course to save fuel and motor group resources, while the so-called marching engines of lower power. If he needs to give full speed (for example, to "jump" to a given area, or quickly exit to a given point, or catch up with other ships, etc.), he connects afterburner engines of greater power.
On FR 22350 stands a combined DGTU, which includes marching engines - two diesel engines (for 5200 hp) and afterburning engines - two gas turbine engines (for 27500 hp). In this case, “Kasatonov” launched (tested) marching engines, i.e. diesels.
GTA 11356 are on the FR, including two marching and two afterburning GTEs.

[XXXIII]

Project 22350 Frigate Admiral of the Casaton Fleet will be the first ship of the Russian fleet to be equipped with the M90FR gas turbine unit (GTU) manufactured by the Russian company Saturn. These units are produced to replace gas turbines of Ukrainian production.

Our engines are means, although there is no information anywhere about engines, most likely will not say anything yetonly when they fail the tests in full .....
There is a secret pantry in St. Petersburg, where the devil’s leg will break .....

[misti1973]

Right, it feels like we invented a hyperdrive! Is everyone else's brains in place?