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Russia suspected India of "plum" technology to the Americans

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Indian information resource India Defense News reports that the Russian experts intend to participate in the analysis of damage received by the submarine of the Indian Navy "Chakra". Recall that the submarine "Chakra" (the Russian name - "Nerpa") was transferred to India in leasing format in 2012 of the year. During the next maneuvers - during the transition to the naval base Vizag in southern India - the underwater combat ship was damaged.


In particular, the submarine hydroacoustic station was damaged. In addition, it is reported about the possible damage to the covers of torpedo compartments as a result of a "frontal" collision. India itself does not yet publish data on exactly what the submarine faced.

Russia suspects India of "leaking" technologies to the Americans


According to the latest data, Russian experts have already traveled to India to assess the damage done to the warship and find out the causes that caused the damage. In particular, there is a collection of data about the collision of what kind of character took place. The incident with the submarine occurred at the end of this summer.

It is noted that if the damage is too serious, the emergency warship will have to be transported to Russia for repairs.

The Indian edition reports that planned repair actions are being delayed because Russia suspected the Indian side of violating the 10-year leasing agreement. It is noted that the violation could be that the Indian sailors allowed the American "partners" to conduct a study of the submarine.

In India itself, such suspicions on the part of the Russian Federation were called paranoia.
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  1. Skay
    Skay 8 November 2017 12: 58 New
    +8
    Something I and the Indians recently became friends.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 8 November 2017 12: 59 New
      17
      In vain the Indians opened the Chakra angry
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 November 2017 13: 43 New
        +4
        The third eye opened at the submarine (India!), And thought that it was
        collision. Now she is in constant nirvana, but she does not want to swim.
    2. VadimSt
      VadimSt 8 November 2017 13: 02 New
      21
      What friendship is there, just commerce. We were friends with her at the time of Nehru and Gandhi!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 8 November 2017 14: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: VadimSt
        What friendship is there, just commerce. We were friends with her at the time of Nehru and Gandhi!

        The Hindus clearly understand that if they, like that hut, turn our backs on us and turn to Washington before, then very soon, thanks to our doubled help, China will not be able to catch up, well, Pakistan can also come from that is not very pleasant for the Indians from us. So let’s see what kind of friendship there is ... in any case in the entire history of our relations, we have never fought with India not directly, not through third countries.
    3. Finches
      Finches 8 November 2017 13: 09 New
      19
      Not lately - it’s a fall ... Yeltsin, with his damp Kozyrev, buried everything that can be done ... Yeltsin could not be returned, but Kozyrev would have been to Kolyma, and the old fart Gorbi there too ... All this emotions and from the realm of fantasy, of course! And here everything is natural - a holy place is never empty, if you simplify everything to form - we are friends with China, India is friends with the USA, we are friends with India, China is friends with the USA, so nothing personal - this is a business!
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 8 November 2017 13: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        we are friends with China, India is friends with the USA, we are friends with India, China is friends with the USA, so nothing personal is business!
        Here, only, India has no territorial claims against Russia, and China has territorial claims against all neighboring countries. The shameful "demarcation" of the border, when Russia unilaterally donated its territory to the Chinese, including the Damansky watered with the blood of our border guards, roused the appetite of our "brothers", already by species in the area of ​​our Altai Territory. They were denied there, however, their "Wishlist" is characterized by the fact that the topic is not closed. In India, our lands to the Urals are not drawn on their maps, and in China this is not a joke, such as the “Ukraine’s globe”, it’s an ideology. Therefore, no matter how friendly his time was with Hitler, he still attacked the USSR. The Chinese "national communists" are not pumping up an army for war with faraway America, and not for conquering the overpopulated and poor south. Therefore, nothing personal, there is geopolitics, its laws, and it is better for us to be friends with India, to make it a counterweight to China, than to feed a monster from our borders and lose a potentially real ally in India.
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 November 2017 13: 53 New
          +5
          Yes, what a China monster - with all due respect to them! Wise men, cunning ... b as you like - yes, there is no war! By the way, the Chinese themselves understand this very well!
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 8 November 2017 14: 09 New
            +6
            Here, Eugene, better to blow water. The PLA does not exist at all for monastic tasks, and this is already a force that must be taken very seriously. We have already moved our troops, having signed the treacherous agreement, from the border to the north, to the "tundra", leaving the prepared fortifications and habitable places (the Chinese moved south, without losing anything). Our fortified areas were defensive in nature, the entire network of Chinese communications near the border corresponds to the offensive character, and the network of underground tunnels towards the border (which no one has dismantled) allows us to secretly concentrate troops and advance them to the line of attack. So, we must be very careful to be friends with the Chinese, especially when they suck out our military technologies, copy technology, learn from experience, especially in the airborne forces. Otherwise, you see, the Chinese will soon cease to smile at us.
            1. Finches
              Finches 8 November 2017 14: 15 New
              +8
              Somehow I talked with Chinese officers at joint exercises, I wrote about this many times here in VO, but they NEVER speak out about Russia as an adversary, it’s obvious - they don’t like Khrushchev, but we don’t like him, the Japanese and the Americans - really hate it! To tread? Let them advance - they have already attacked, on Damansky ... Perhaps this is my subjective feeling and I agree with you - they should be kept at a distance, they are not friends to us, unlike the Mongolians and Vietnamese, for example. But the fact that we have destroyed ties with India is completely a crime of the Yeltsin administration.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 8 November 2017 14: 20 New
                +6
                Quote: Finches
                I once talked about it at joint exercises with Chinese officers, I wrote about this many times here at VO, but they NEVER speak about Russia as an opponent
                When our grandfathers met the Germans at the parade in Brest, none of the German officers spoke of them as an adversary. A photo for memory, handshakes, smiles ... I have already said that it’s better to blow water over it, especially since there are reasons for concern.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 8 November 2017 14: 23 New
                  +4
                  The Germans are wars, the Chinese are ... They can attack, but what's the point ...!
                  1. Per se.
                    Per se. 8 November 2017 14: 34 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Finches
                    The Germans are wars, the Chinese are ..
                    In vain you are so, the PLA and modern China is not a dense past, especially as stereotypes are concerned. First, high morale, excellent training and physical training. Secondly, the economy of China gives a first-class technique, which, if where while and inferior quality, as a clone, it is many times greater than the quantity (they will soon bring the quality to mind). At present, the PLA has not lost to anyone, and this is a force that cannot be perceived by the patterns that the Chinese themselves impose on us. As the saying goes, the devil convinces him that he is not ...
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 8 November 2017 14: 38 New
                      +6
                      I do not want to argue with you - but China will not attack Russia! China has many problems of its own, and the main enemy is Japan and the United States, India, unlike Russia, could not solve territorial problems with China, little Vietnam, which piled on the Chinese in the 70s ..., huge own territories not developed, the problem with Uigur separatism ... now there is no time for Russia - a full-blooded, nuclear power! hi
                      1. Per se.
                        Per se. 8 November 2017 17: 09 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Finches
                        I do not want to argue with you - but China will not attack Russia!
                        I want to believe it myself. But, without solving the problem of drinking water, arable land, a self-sufficient source of raw materials, China will not only become a real superpower, but it will begin to bend already in the foreseeable future. China's boosted economy is not enough that China has within its present borders. I fully admit that our old oligarchs are ready not only to sell Su-35 and C-400 to Chinese "brothers", not only cheaper electric power or natural gas for Russians, but also to lay pipes with fresh water, in general to sell everything for that they will pay, right up to the skin, from their member, but this will not remove China’s global claims. What is the US enemy of the Chinese (the US is no less powerful nuclear superpower than the USSR was, especially modern Russia), as the West essentially fed Hitler, as the anti-USSR, so after the Damansky the States began to feed China, again, as the anti-USSR , and nothing that there was a "commie", that theft of technology, terry piracy to copy, violation of all copyrights. Further, it is still more cunning, such as "sanctions" against our Chinese "brothers", and here with Russian money, Russia itself began to finance the poor "rogue", fattening the monster itself under its empty borders. Anglo-Saxons have to pay tribute, "take off my helmet", fight with someone else's hands, use someone else's cannon fodder, this is the talent of the "reptilians" ... There were Nazis in the West, now Chinese nationalists in the East. Now, with Siberia and our Far East, China can already become a self-sufficient superpower able to press the Americans from the world throne, and then we can say that after the Chinese yoke has begun for Russia, the United States will be the real enemy for China. So far, they are partners divided by the ocean, and a number of a weaker and more accessible enemy, with a tasty loot, trusting Russia with traffickers-traitors and oligarch bros. I don’t call for hostility with China, but you need to think a million times before trusting the Chinese. Returning to the beginning of the topic touched upon, I repeat, to summarize, we need to develop more relations with India, it is not our enemy, but the Chinese, this is a very tricky and insidious eastern "monkey" with which it is necessary to keep an eye on it.
                  2. sogdy
                    sogdy 8 November 2017 14: 54 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Finches
                    the Chinese are ... They can attack, but what's the point ...!

                    Well, it's like capturing the North Pole of DR Congo.

                    But the training manual insists on bringing such an argument ... Oh, great, ugly training manual! And what should they poor do?
                    1. Black5Raven
                      Black5Raven 8 November 2017 15: 07 New
                      +4
                      Quote: sogdy
                      Well, it's like capturing the North Pole of DR Congo.

                      Quote: sogdy
                      Oh great, nasty training manual!

                      Laugh, laugh. But unlike the Congo, China is on the border, it has a huge army, patience and a desire to take this territory. It will either occupy force or itself, and after the "protection" of the Chinese population, Crimea 2.0. . And what will Russia do? It’s gonna be rubbed. As was the case with the rest of the cases and the return of the territories.
                      1. sogdy
                        sogdy 8 November 2017 15: 32 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Black5Raven
                        China is on the border, it has a huge army, patience and desire to take this

                        Nothing that I live there? And I see the vast uninhabited northern territories of China. And Russian cities in China are not a joke, there is no one to populate.
                2. Panj
                  Panj 8 November 2017 20: 55 New
                  +1
                  Was there a parade ??? And, then, that in the Lviv area they clung, then the Germans retreated.
              2. basmach
                basmach 8 November 2017 17: 59 New
                +6
                You spoke with them, and I served for 7 years near Ussuriysk, and I remember how the Far East and Transbaikalia were stuffed with troops. Apparently in the USSR manzhuriks were afraid (we called local rabbits so), and maybe to protect pheasants. Well they were fools at that time in the General Staff. And now all smart and Chinese friends are forever (only it was already-Russian and Chinese-brothers forever). Only they are smiling in the eyes, and a knife is stuck in the back on occasion.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 8 November 2017 20: 24 New
                  +1
                  I won’t argue here - a knife is stuck in the back! But they won’t start first!
            2. Dedall
              Dedall 8 November 2017 20: 11 New
              +1
              And what is the experience of the airborne forces? They have their own experience above the roof. For example, did you know that in China there are more than 20000 parachute towers? And this is a very useful tool for training paratroopers, because they give the feeling of landing very similar to real ones.
              And if you think about it, then they don’t need to take anything from us, because in the Far East there are more than one hundred thousand of them. It comes to the fact that entire areas are under their full control.
        2. kenig1
          kenig1 8 November 2017 14: 06 New
          0
          Analyst ...
        3. sogdy
          sogdy 8 November 2017 14: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: Per se.
          and China has territorial claims to all neighboring countries

          Quote: Per se.
          gave the Chinese its territory, including Damansky poured with the blood of our border guards

          That is, you do not know, but you are actively carrying it to the masses.
          Nothing that Damansky for a long time does not exist?
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 8 November 2017 17: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: sogdy
            Nothing that Damansky for a long time does not exist?
            No, "nicho", but there some brothers and sons died, and so, "nicho". I don’t carry anything to the masses, in any case, no more than yours, I express my opinion in the commentary, and, not in terms of hurray-slogans and good intentions, but arguing it.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 9 November 2017 13: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Per se.
              but there, some brothers and sons died

              I repeat for the stubborn: that island is not. Absolutely.
              So the "arguments" do not roll.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 10 November 2017 08: 00 New
                0
                Quote: sogdy
                So the "arguments" do not roll.
                Whose arguments, and whose "obstinacy"? Even if we assume that now the island is gradually being eroded and goes under water (it has already left), this does not change the essence of the transfer of the island according to the "demarcation" of the border in the 2005 year. Until recently, the island was, although it came across information on the Internet that, supposedly, the Chinese covered the channel of the Ussuri River, which divided the island of Damansky and the native bank of the PRC. In any case, our men fought for this land, which was presented to the Chinese, and this is not going anywhere. In the photo, the Chinese frontiers are already coming from the island of Damansky to the native coast.
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 10 November 2017 13: 33 New
                  0
                  Quote: Per se.
                  Even if we assume that now the island is gradually eroded and goes under water

                  Do you really live in Russia?
      2. analgin
        analgin 8 November 2017 13: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        Not lately - it's a fall ... Yeltsin, with his damp Kozyrev, they buried everything they could ... Yeltsin could not be returned, but Kozyrev would have been to Kolyma, and the old fart Gorbi there too ...

        As long as Yeltsin is not in power. Gorbachev and Kozyrev are even bigger, and people like you are still hiding behind them justifying their own political, economic and diplomatic impotence.
        Did Yeltsin and Gorbachev cut the Sharks and Molodtsov? It was they who closed military bases in Cuba and Vietnam, despite the requests of the Cubans and Vietnamese not to do this, fearing for their own safety? Was it they who threw friends and ruined the country's defense capability, or was it someone else?
        Here, in a neighboring topic, a man was horrified when recently oil fell below $ 27. and said that: "they all thought, the seam came!" Remind me how much oil cost under Yeltsin (and not a couple of months, but longer)?
        Your disc about the traitors Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Kozyrev, the circle of enemies, the fifth column, Stalin now ... has already become quite tense. Come up with something newer! hi
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 November 2017 14: 03 New
          13
          I’ve been serving in the army for 25 years - have not yet been kicked out ... laughing He served in military service, where my first military rank was corporal, then commander of the department, then the castle commander, by the way in ZabVO, near China, was the foreman of a company, then a military school ... By graduation, he commanded a platoon, company, communications center, battalion .. ., now at a teaching job at a military institute, but apparently didn’t understand anything in life, all hope for people like you with an active lifestyle! Good luck! hi
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 8 November 2017 20: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            where my first military rank was corporal,


            Hehe ... The first rank, at least for a few days, was a private ... I also started with military service, with a training class, in which they put a chest of drawers and "gave" the corporal ...
            The rank of private, at least for an hour - you won’t get past ... hi

            PS Is it not in Stavropol, by chance. do you teach?
            1. Finches
              Finches 8 November 2017 22: 23 New
              +2
              Private, this is natural - in my profile it is written - St. Petersburg. hi
          2. analgin
            analgin 9 November 2017 06: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Finches
            I’ve been serving in the army for 25 years - have not yet been kicked out ... laughing He served in military service, where my first military rank was corporal, then commander of the department, then the castle commander, by the way in ZabVO, near China, was the foreman of a company, then a military school ... By graduation, he commanded a platoon, company, communications center, battalion .. ., now at a teaching job at a military institute, but apparently didn’t understand anything in life, all hope is for people like you with an active lifestyle!

            And why did you write all this to me? And what is there with the answer to the question, when did they cut the Sharks, etc.? With whom they stole ZIL, SAZ ... and drove people out into the street? With whom, half of the hospitals were closed and an ambulance asks for money for gas from patients? With the damned Yeltsin, or with someone else wise and multi-way?
            Well, the fact that you didn’t understand something in life is evident from the fact that your "first rank in military service was a corporal."

            Quote: Finches
            Good luck! hi

            And you do not get sick!
        2. Colonel
          Colonel 8 November 2017 15: 25 New
          +5
          Quote: analgin
          Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Kozyrev

          those. do you think these ... officials worked for the good of the country? Putin in vain about the skull said? You are our wise.
          1. analgin
            analgin 9 November 2017 07: 04 New
            0
            [quote = colonel] [quote = analgin] Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Kozyrev [/ quote]
            those. do you think these ... officials worked for the good of the country? / quote]
            And how did you draw such a conclusion from what I wrote? Can I find out your thoughts?

            [quote = colonel] Putin in vain about the skull said? You are our wise. [/ Quote]
            Putin said a lot of funny things.
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 9 November 2017 07: 41 New
              +1
              As long as Yeltsin is not in power. Gorbachev and Kozyrev are even bigger, and people like you are still hiding behind them justifying their own political, economic and diplomatic impotence.
              Did Yeltsin and Gorbachev cut the Sharks and Molodtsov? ....

              enough?
    4. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 8 November 2017 17: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Skay
      Something I and the Indians recently became friends.

      finally, they accuse us of curvature, while they arranged a head-on collision of the submarine !!! negative negative negative laughing laughing laughing
      1. Seryoga Gord
        Seryoga Gord 9 November 2017 18: 12 New
        +1
        it’s just that they’re on a submarine when diving, according to the charter, the helmsman has his back to the porthole ...))
  2. Million
    Million 8 November 2017 13: 02 New
    +6
    Hindus can all)
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 8 November 2017 13: 15 New
      +3
      Cool! Why do they need a submarine in general, throw it?
      1. Million
        Million 8 November 2017 13: 23 New
        +4
        they haven’t danced in the boat yet)
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 8 November 2017 13: 17 New
      +7
      Damn, I'm impressed. Even Chuck Norris is not as cool as this dude from the movie. Stallone with Schwartz generally suckers. belay
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 8 November 2017 15: 27 New
        +1
        This is definitely not a comedy, I'm just sure of it ....... laughing good
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 8 November 2017 19: 14 New
          +1
          Something cunning dude smoked before he was put ............. laughing laughing laughing
    3. Seryoga Gord
      Seryoga Gord 9 November 2017 17: 38 New
      +1
      and I kept wondering where Yasha-gypsy had gone, and he is fighting India with the burns ...))
  3. Sergei75
    Sergei75 8 November 2017 13: 02 New
    +2
    Come on, the boat is not new and only you and I don’t know what is inside it.
  4. Livonetc
    Livonetc 8 November 2017 13: 04 New
    +5
    Quote: Thrall
    In vain the Indians opened the Chakra angry

    That's right.
    Intermediate chakras will hurt them.
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 November 2017 13: 08 New
    +4
    Have the Americans arranged a race on our boat? ?? recourse Trust the Hindu submarine, and then with its bat, and the emergency back we get! !! fool
  6. core
    core 8 November 2017 13: 11 New
    +6
    only it seems to me that leasing of military equipment is some kind of nonsense ?!
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 8 November 2017 13: 12 New
    +5
    It was not for nothing that the Yankees expressed their readiness to put an electromagnetic catapult for f18 on the new Indo-Aircraft carrier.
  8. Altona
    Altona 8 November 2017 13: 13 New
    +2
    The Indian sailors apparently imitate their many-armed god Shiva. The truth of their hands in this case is not just behind, but also below their backs.
  9. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 8 November 2017 13: 16 New
    +1
    Karma has completely deteriorated. Why lease something?
  10. Alsur
    Alsur 8 November 2017 13: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Skay
    Something I and the Indians recently became friends.

    Rather, the Indians are very friendly with the United States, against China and Pakistan.
  11. Tarasios
    Tarasios 8 November 2017 13: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Million
    they haven’t danced in the boat yet)

    is not a fact... )
  12. gridasov
    gridasov 8 November 2017 13: 30 New
    +3
    .Any new breakthrough discoveries are distinguished by the fact that they must first be understood. Understand the essence and algorithms of the stages of development and application at one level or another. Therefore, for me personally, it is obvious that only Americans understand that at the present level there is nothing like this in the community people, which would be unknown and not accessible. Everyone uses the same technologies and the difference in achievements between opponents does not have cardinal differences. Therefore, Americans are more interested in the devices themselves or material objects are their increasingly interested in new methods of study of various physical processes. To understand the essence of the process and to have the ability to justify a particular physical process is now as a new concept is of paramount importance, therefore, on the topic that everything that the Russians would not want the Americans to know, there are a thousand ways to get through intermediate information leakage schemes. Apparently, the Indians are not stupid, so that they do not start a business selling technologies taken from the Russians, but which the Americans cannot get according to other schemes. And since Americans are not limited in their means, everything that belongs to anyone can belong to the Americans.
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    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 8 November 2017 14: 44 New
      +2
      The more water in the book, the deeper it is. (WITH)
      Thesis: Americans will buy what they want, incl. and the Indians.
    3. sogdy
      sogdy 8 November 2017 14: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: gridasov
      Therefore, for me personally, it is obvious that only Americans understand that at the present level there is nothing in the community of people that would be unknown and not accessible

      Apparently a humanist. For the techie, the whole paragraph is a complete paragraph.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 8 November 2017 16: 57 New
        0
        The language of words and reasoning can be expressed mathematically. And do the gentlemen know that any alphabet is the mathematical basis of the capacity of information that can be expressed by the set of these letters? Another teacher, Tesla Boschkovich, said that the poem of Virgil can be put out in letters and put into a basket. and then restore in full. But the more capacious the alphabet, the greater the capacity of the content of all that. what can be expressed with this alphabet.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 9 November 2017 05: 58 New
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          about the mathematical basis of that capacity of information

          Want to talk about information? Then stop talking about noise filling. For, in Russian, this is empty trolling.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 9 November 2017 11: 36 New
            +1
            Whose side is trolling? There is information and it needs to be taken into account in the entire volume of parameters, and not to live according to the socialist principle that it has betrayed that there is no sex in the USSR and that’s all. You didn’t see any of my samples of devices and the rationale for their work. You are not familiar with the methods of working with super-large amounts of data based on the function of a constant value of a number. You have no idea what information is and for example how to express it by a number in the form of a code, and then an impulse. Your brains will fall apart to understand how a number can be expressed in general. magnetic impulse. So don’t take me for the most tender.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 9 November 2017 13: 55 New
              0
              Quote: gridasov
              Therefore, you can not ignore the statements on my part

              Lehko!
              Quote: gridasov
              You are not familiar with the methods of working with super-large amounts of data based on the function of a constant value of a number. You have no idea what information is and for example how to express it by a number in the form of a code, and then an impulse

              Taki informatics. By applied - to Zyablitsov.
              Here the current flow becomes information only when a filter is applied. Ku.
              Quote: gridasov
              So don’t take me for the most tender.

              Do you have Ano ?! I'm fshoke!
  13. andrewkor
    andrewkor 8 November 2017 13: 42 New
    0
    Why am I not surprised !!!
  14. gridasov
    gridasov 8 November 2017 13: 43 New
    +1
    In vain comments are deleted, Whatever they are. After all, one cannot comprehend the depth of knowledge about a person without knowing their true essence.
  15. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 8 November 2017 13: 46 New
    +2
    Well, Americans would not be Americans if they didn’t get into our boat. They didn’t dig it. Most likely they promised Indians something valuable, so they pecked. So not only Ukrainians and Greeks can sell foreign technologies. Our leadership also thought of to rent, to a neutral state, albeit not entirely modern but still powerful weapons that can still be secrets. For example, the cover and shaft shafts of the propellers. The sonars are the same. Their principle of action .. Do not they have a case with the S-300 what did not teach?
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 8 November 2017 16: 10 New
      0
      As long as everything is tied to money, everything will remain so.
  16. weksha50
    weksha50 8 November 2017 14: 15 New
    +2
    "It is noted that the violation could consist in the fact that Indian sailors allowed American "partners" to conduct a study of the submarine"...

    Hmm ... I always thought in my kitchen that the Indians and some other countries (I’m not even talking about the OAU) provide the equipment and weapons we purchased with us for study to the Americans ... Do not go to the grandmother here either ...
    The only one who honestly, without passing to anyone, copies at home and sells to the side at a profit for himself, is China !!! laughing
    There Americans - does not shine ... lol
    1. albert
      albert 8 November 2017 21: 04 New
      0
      Recently there was infa that the Indians leaked the TTX of the Su-30 Yankees. Therefore, it is possible that the fifth-generation joint fighter project will hang in the air.
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  18. opus
    opus 8 November 2017 14: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Author
    Russia suspected India of "plum" technology to the Americans

    and I have no doubt.
    Toko, that from (from, to, to, or whatever) of India ....
    mother for bablosy sell.
    And as it is, before the inglises, it is disgusting.
    as if there was no Devil Wind (Blowing from guns)

    Why did they need independence and suffering because of this. Hz, a mystery.
    Oops lick, already saliva all around spattered
    1. Santos
      Santos 9 November 2017 12: 54 New
      0
      You are right. They also figure out in the hope that the "Americans" will give them technology. But the "Americans" do nothing for free. Let our Indian friends stretch their lips and continue to knead.
  19. For Valerie
    For Valerie 8 November 2017 14: 41 New
    +2
    There is no one to be friends with except the army and navy.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 9 November 2017 13: 58 New
      0
      What about aviation ?!
  20. Radikal
    Radikal 8 November 2017 15: 02 New
    +8
    Quote: Skay
    Something I and the Indians recently became friends.

    With the "departure" of the Gandhi family, friendship ended. And by the way, they were friends with another country - the USSR, and these are two big differences! Although the leadership of Russia claims (when it is beneficial to him) that it is the successor of the USSR, but ... "do not say how much - halva, halva, it will not become sweeter in the mouth!" wassat
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 8 November 2017 17: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      that she is the successor of the USSR

      and the USSR came from nowhere ??? or offer a bolt to put on our story ???? fool fool fool
      1. albert
        albert 8 November 2017 21: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
        and the USSR came from nowhere ??

        The Union did not recognize itself as the successor of tsarist Russia.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 8 November 2017 21: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: albert
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          and the USSR came from nowhere ??

          The Union did not recognize itself as the successor of tsarist Russia.

          from this our story has not changed !!! these are the problems of the then leaders, what did they recognize there, and what did not recognize !!! negative negative negative if you remember, it was Lenin who got the deal with the cut of territories, as a result of which the opportunity was organized to come into the country of Ukraine, and Russia to lose territories !!!!
  21. gromoboj
    gromoboj 8 November 2017 15: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Skay
    Something I and the Indians recently became friends.

    They are with us.
  22. Altona
    Altona 8 November 2017 16: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Kerensky
    Thesis: Americans will buy what they want, incl. and the Indians.

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    Including and together with the Indians. lol
  23. Altona
    Altona 8 November 2017 16: 03 New
    0
    Quote: For Valerie
    There is no one to be friends with except the army and navy.

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    Only a saber to a Cossack friend in the steppe ... Did you want something different?
  24. Mentat
    Mentat 8 November 2017 17: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Black5Raven
    Quote: sogdy
    Well, it's like capturing the North Pole of DR Congo.

    Quote: sogdy
    Oh great, nasty training manual!

    Laugh, laugh. But unlike the Congo, China is on the border, it has a huge army, patience and a desire to take this territory. It will either occupy force or itself, and after the "protection" of the Chinese population, Crimea 2.0. . And what will Russia do? It’s gonna be rubbed. As was the case with the rest of the cases and the return of the territories.

    Where do you come from, do you multiply by division?
    What are the “remaining cases and return of territories”? What dumbasses are these stuffing stuffs designed for?
  25. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 8 November 2017 17: 18 New
    +7
    Per se.,
    Quote: Per se.
    I fully admit that our fraternal oligarchs are ready not only to sell the Su-35 and S-400 to the Chinese "brothers", nor only cheaper electricity than for the Russians ...

    But is it possible from now on in more detail? About "electricity is cheaper than mushrooms" exactly?
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 9 November 2017 06: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      About "electricity is cheaper than mushrooms" exactly?
      About "cheaper mushrooms", this is your literary momentum. Otherwise, please.
      The prices at which electricity is supplied to the Russian population are, of course, much higher - since on the way to the retail consumer the current passes through a dozen transformations; first from the bus stations, then through high-voltage transformers and at the end through the 10 / 380 transformer. All this economy must be constantly maintained in a vast territory. In addition, much of the electricity during transmission and transformation is expended on technical losses. To heaps, it is necessary to maintain a significant staff of account workers who will issue hundreds of thousands of bills to the population and collect the money due from it. When shipped to China, it is enough to throw one line from the station bus to the transformer in China - that's all. The remaining costs are already borne by the Chinese side.
      Naturally, retail electricity prices in China itself are higher than in Russia. At 2012, it was for home users - from 2,5 to 3,8 rubles, for production (in the south of China) - 7,6 rubles. In Russia, by comparison, in 2016, the average cost of electricity is 2,9 ruble for the population (2,3 ruble in 2012 year) and 3,6 ruble for consumers except for the population.
      Thus, it makes no sense for the Chinese to buy more expensive electricity from us: they have other (internal) suppliers. Russia, on the other hand, has no sense in refusing to export electricity to China: since this electricity is produced by us all the same.
      One could try to completely abandon the sale of electricity to China, but the energy system of the Far East is designed in such a way that surplus electricity is now formed in it.
      At the same time, just to lay an additional power line to some nearby region of Russia with a power shortage is again not possible. The cost of building and maintaining a single line does not pay for the potential savings.
      Such, here, justifications, arguments, but the essence remains that, de facto, in Russia they pay more, though not in all regions. The fact that there are those where they pay less than the Chinese ... If this makes it easier for you, it’s your business, only it doesn’t justify our bourgeoisie and their crafty arithmetic, both for electricity and in general for utility bills in Russia.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 9 November 2017 06: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Per se.
        ... you are welcome

        Um ... well, I read it already, and not only that.
        The main message is in the east of the country the overproduction of electricity, which must be done somewhere. So it’s “done” to China, at prices that are 1.5-2 times higher (from the same article, for some reason you did not quote this piece) above the same prices in Russia.
        I just didn’t understand how the fact that you are so knowledgeable relates to
        Quote: Per se.
        I fully admit that our fraternal oligarchs are ready not only to sell the Su-35 and S-400 to the Chinese "brothers", nor only cheaper electricity than for the Russians ...

        The phrase is clearly designed for "indignation of the working people", but how - "alligarch brothers" once again robbed them ...
        Where am I wrong, do not tell?
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 9 November 2017 07: 14 New
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          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Where am I wrong, do not tell?
          You pull the phrase out of context, it was not so much about "indignation of the working people", but about the fact that it is unlikely that China can be infinitely cajolded with any sales, concessions, especially if our equipment is copied. If they did not agree on electricity, they could cite an argument, proof, illustrate their point of view. In general, you have the right to have your opinion, just like me. Good luck.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 November 2017 07: 32 New
            +8
            Quote: Per se.
            You pull the phrase out of context, it was not so much about the "indignation of the working people" as the fact that it is unlikely that China can be endlessly appeased with any sales, concessions, especially if our equipment is copied

            To be honest, I see no special attempts to appease, neither in the case of electricity and gas, nor even in the case of military equipment.
            Copy S-400, of course, you can ... try. But the output again turns out to be an iron ... as it already was with aircraft engines, for example.
            Quote: Per se.
            In general, you have the right to have an opinion, as I have mine.

            Certainly.
            Quote: Per se.
            Good luck

            Mutually, thanks for the clarification.
          2. sogdy
            sogdy 9 November 2017 14: 07 New
            0
            Quote: Per se.
            You pull the phrase out of context

            And somewhere, I already heard all this ...
            "451 degrees Fahrenheit," adnaka.
          3. sogdy
            sogdy 9 November 2017 14: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Per se.
            You have the right to have an opinion, just as I

            So meyte. Quiet, intimate. And not like a goat in the square.

            But, in fact, opinion does not require distortion and selective citation for its justification.
  26. Wolka
    Wolka 8 November 2017 17: 30 New
    +1
    yeah, don’t go to the fortuneteller, the Indians leaked the Yankees our boat with giblets
    1. Going
      Going 8 November 2017 18: 08 New
      +9
      Quote: Volka
      yeah, don’t go to the fortuneteller, the Indians leaked the Yankees our boat with giblets


      If this can be proved, there will be a big scandal.
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 9 November 2017 14: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Volka
      Indians leaked our boat to the Yankees

      And sho, someone was hoping for something else?
      What to panic about a predictable and perfectly calculated matter ?!
      Quote: Mentat
      Where do you come from, do you multiply by division?
      ... What kind of dumbasses are these stuffing stuffed for?
  27. Nemesis
    Nemesis 8 November 2017 20: 04 New
    +2
    I don’t know about paranoia, but India really cooperates quite closely with NATO countries and selling new technologies from Russia to such countries is schizophrenia, which will cost Russia excessively expensive. This is me, including the plans for the sale of S-400 air defense systems of NATO Turkey.
  28. Radikal
    Radikal 8 November 2017 22: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: albert
    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
    and the USSR came from nowhere ??

    The Union did not recognize itself as the successor of tsarist Russia.

    In addition, at that time India was generally a colony of England, and no one was thinking of any friendship then, so the Greeks alone should study the history better, and not teach those who know it well! wassat
  29. Black5Raven
    Black5Raven 9 November 2017 08: 56 New
    0
    sogdy,
    Quote: sogdy
    And I see the vast uninhabited northern territories of China. And Russian cities in China are not a joke, there is nobody to populate.

    Do you think they need territories for the population? Stupidity, but the resources from the territory where the population of the Chinese village live in a couple of million just right.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 9 November 2017 14: 28 New
      0
      When someone starts talking about nuclear processes, I ask if he can launch the synchrophasotron.

      I’ll ask you where and when did you see the “Chinese village”? And how do you imagine taking resources from a place of compact residence?
  30. Santos
    Santos 9 November 2017 12: 48 New
    0
    Hello everyone !! The debate is big, there are a lot of debaters. The Indians have very one not good quality, this is not observing the rule of deadlines and safety measures. But even when they carry out work on the schedule, they try to reduce the cost of everything including consumables for data aggregates. This is oil, filter, grease, etc. Well, and of course, what is written on paper is not always worth checking. The type of quote is "so it goes," "worked yesterday," "I didn’t see it there."