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Putin is entangled in the revolution, foreign analysts say. Singing at the same time both tsarist Russia and the glorious Soviet past with his victories, the Russian president found himself in a ridiculous situation: he could not openly celebrate the centenary of the revolution, for he was afraid of popular uprisings. Other foreign analysts conclude that, strategically, Putin is no smarter than Trump. Both of them are “stupid”, both are guaranteed to fail the simplest thing.


Why did the Kremlin mark the centenary of the Russian revolution "with caution?" I tried to answer this difficult question in Washington Post David Filipov.



Russia "cautiously" celebrates the 100 anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, the author writes. The country has not officially celebrated the round date of the “1917 communist uprising of the year”, which led to the creation of the Soviet Union. A cautious approach to the former Soviet holiday shows the attitude of the Kremlin "to the turbulent stories Russia of the XX century ", believes Filipov. President Vladimir Putin prefers to emphasize only some fragments of the country's history while playing on Soviet nostalgia. He is interested only in the elements associated with the creation of a single strong state - like the one he now heads (he wants, says Filipov, that the Russians would believe in it). That is why the parade itself on Red Square is associated with the battle of the Red Army near Moscow. The Soviet units that passed near the walls of the Kremlin 7 on November 1941 of the year did not stop, the author writes, until they reached the front line and hit the Nazis.

Putin, who opposes the popular revolutions, which he calls the "color revolutions", cannot openly celebrate the date of November 7, Red October. According to Filipov, “Red October” is, in fact, “the mother of all color revolutions”.

Putin often touched upon the devastating shocks caused by the birth of the Soviet Union. In the October speech, he condemned the "price of destruction" of statehood and the rift of destinies that affected millions of people.

However, at the same time, Putin cannot publicly condemn the Bolshevik revolution. It was from this revolution that “a strong state has grown, which, despite the many failures” and actions “against its people”, succeeded in overcoming the “shameful disrepair” of Russia of the 1917 model of the year.

So, the Kremlin fell silent. “We do not plan any celebrations, and I see no reason why we should do this,” the author quoted Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, as saying.

On the other hand, this does not mean that Russia ignores the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, one of the two "most sacred" holidays of the USSR ("the second is the victory of the Soviet Union in World War II, which Putin called the greatest achievement of 20-th century").

However, in general, the value of this date has decreased. In Russia, they invented a new holiday - the Day of Harmony and Reconciliation. The meaning of the date is vague: after all, Russia has never been able to face the truth - with the worst in the Soviet past there is no reconciliation so far.

The country has not yet revealed the complete archives, which describe in detail the scale of the killings and repressions committed by the “secret police of the KGB and its predecessors” during the years of “mass Stalinist purges”.

Yes, the names have changed, but the first post-Soviet president of Russia, Boris Yeltsin, left the former KGB officers in senior positions, and Putin, a former KGB officer, brought even more security colleagues to the board. Today, FSB experts are part of Putin’s inner circle, Filipov points out.

Interestingly, it was this year, October 30, that Putin unveiled a new monument to the victims of Stalin’s purges “The Wall of Sorrow”. “This terrible past should not be erased from our national memory and can never be justified,” the journalist quotes the president.

Paolo Valentino in the newspaper "Corriere della Sera" (the source of the translation from Italian is “Inopress”) also notes that the Kremlin’s owner was facing a “horizon of obscurity”.



Putin has a lot of reasons for the holiday, but none of them has anything to do with the centenary of the October Revolution and the time of the birth of the USSR, Valentino believes.

The author regards the newly conquered global status of Russia as another “Potemkin village”. This “village” succeeds only partly in “concealing vulnerabilities and clouds hanging over the Kremlin leader.”

And just the centenary of the Red October clearly demonstrates the "unresolved problems" of Putin’s power, reveals the contradictions and fragility of the regime. “Such an impression,” writes the columnist, “that, having largely restored the past — royal and socialist in a selective way, Putin turned out to be a hostage to history, which he is not able to completely subordinate to his ambitions.”

“Along with the non-autocratic and Orthodox line, the anointed one of God, who saved the country from disintegration after the 1990's new times of troubles, generously returns the realities of 70 to the years of the socialist superpower: this is both the Soviet anthem and the concept of the“ former Soviet space ”where Moscow does not tolerate interventions, the Great Patriotic War, re-nominated as the bonds of generations, the mummy of Lenin, and not removed from the mausoleum in Red Square, the traditional role of the player in the Middle East.


Today’s Russia is indeed the legitimate heir to the Soviet Union, since it assumed all its international obligations in 1991. At the same time, such a legacy contradicts the other half of Putin’s narrative, singing the royal past with the praises of Alexander III, who says that “Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy”. And here is another example: the current ROC "canonized Nicholas II, who was killed just by the Bolshevik revolution."

As a result, the “forgotten anniversary” puts Putin at the problem of the very basis of his power. On the eve of the expected re-election, the Kremlin’s master “is at risk of being held hostage by an extra history,” summarizes Paolo Valentino.

Another foreign analyst declared Putin (and at the same time Trump's American) stupid as nothing.

Richard Cohen, who leads the column in Washington Post, told the reading public about how he raised his little son.



Cohen read him a book about the Stupids family (original: books about "the Stupids"). This book series, full of intolerance, told about a family consisting of "incompetent" individuals who were not able to "cope with the simplest tasks." Keon had long forgotten how these very "stupid" ones looked, so he simply decided to present them in the images of "Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin", since these figures completely "fit" the images.

President Trump has been called Secretary of State Rex Tillerson as an “idiot” (originally “moron”). At least the American press wrote about it ( link). Perhaps such an unflattering description is related to Trump's ridiculous actions aimed at “destroying the State Department”.



Only one statement from Trump, who imagined that he might force the FBI to conduct an investigation against Hillary Clinton, which is worth it! His formidable warning led to the opposite result. The FBI did everything to not look like Trump's lackey. If the American president really wants to achieve a prosecution of his political opponent in this way, then he gets very close to Putin, the author believes.

Nevertheless, Putin "managed to beat Trump." If we assume that Russia's intervention in the US elections last year "was sanctioned by the Kremlin and was intended to support Trump," then a simple conclusion should be made: it was "just stupid."

Not only is there no evidence that the Kremlin’s “hard-working hackers” have significantly influenced the elections, but there is much evidence to the contrary: Trump has only become worse from such interference. Russian hackers shoved him into such a deep and viscous political swamp in which he would sink.

The Kremlin’s interference in the elections made the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions impossible. These sanctions, whatever they wrote in Russia, are by no means “insignificant”; restrictive measures, the author recalls, “aggravated the economic problems” of the country. No wonder Putin outraged by sanctions. But he himself is to blame: his clumsy actions “almost guaranteed” that in the near future the sanctions “will not be lifted”.

Both Trump and Putin, Keon continues, are autocrats, "vaunted strong people." Only those who lack patience for negotiations or consultations pray at them. Putin is “the strongest of all,” and Trump “admires him.” But what is this power? The Russian leader is leading a "win-win war in Syria"; he has kept the "cherished warm port in Tartus." And thus he burdened the domestic economy, which was heavily dependent on oil prices! The “average Russian” can now be proud of his country's leadership as much as he wants and beat his chest, however his “American colleague” lives almost ten years longer (70 years against 80). 75-year-old Russian - dead Russian, prints the author.

Cohen's conclusion: Trump and Putin are a two-faced Janus, but with one face. Both are on the same platform: America / Russia is again “great.” Both conspiracy therapists: Putin because he “worked in the KGB,” and Trump because the reality as such is too complex for him. Both are "captives of the recent past."

“They really have a lot in common - just like in that book about the family I read to my son,” the columnist laughs.

* * *


If you believe foreign analysts and observers, then not only Putin, but Mr. Trump is confused in the past and has no idea how to move in the future. At least a shy step forward for both leaders is hindered by the past, in which, however, they feel so insecure that it affects the present when one holiday is replaced by another or democratic procedures are discarded through autocracy. The present of both is therefore not leading to a bright future. In Russia, there is a clear regression with tsarism and troubles with Soviet history because of the inconvenient Putin of the Russian revolution, while in the US they talk about Trump’s deadlock autocracy, which is detrimental to his own authority (and without that low). That is why this president is considered a "jerk" not only in the State Department, but also in the FBI.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 8 November 2017 09: 35
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    Putin has become entangled in the revolution, foreign analysts say. Singing at the same time tsarist Russia and the glorious Soviet past with its victories, the Russian president found himself in an absurd situation
    unfortunately, there’s something in it ... add here awards to the hunchback, and the "Yeltsin’s temple" is generally incomprehensible ..
    1. FID
      FID 8 November 2017 09: 41
      11
      You're right....
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 8 November 2017 09: 51
        +6
        Interesting article!
        Eclecticism in politics is useful only when its change is expected - i.e. when there is a transition on the real axis through zero - in one direction or another.
        Foreign analysts are in a hurry to push both Trump and Putin out of a state of some (eclectic - when everything is in one heap, he will say so - at the zero beginning of the current historical coordinates) uncertainty! The question arises. Where? To both fly with acceleration ?!
        Let everything be as it is now, but we'll see! We will solve problems in a complex as they become aware and arise.
        1. Alexey Pishenkov
          Alexey Pishenkov 9 November 2017 13: 40
          0
          ... somehow it was very difficult for you with these philosophical and mathematical theoretical definitions to analyze the current state of the political situation in conjunction with the present historical moment ... :-)
    2. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 8 November 2017 09: 56
      +4
      A humpback bear was awarded.
      1. Alf
        Alf 8 November 2017 22: 47
        +4
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        A humpback bear was awarded.

        He awarded, awarded. But! Does anyone really believe that during the period of the teddy bear, it was the teddy bear who actually ruled the country?
      2. Oorfene Deuce
        Oorfene Deuce 9 November 2017 11: 11
        +4
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        A humpback bear was awarded.

        It became already funny laughing
        And again, Putin has nothing to do with it. This is all the courtly Caudle stirs up, and casts a shadow on the sun ...
        1. Vasya Vassin
          Vasya Vassin 9 November 2017 12: 07
          +3
          But didn’t they really trust him to give even the tzatska himself the poor? Well, at least do not deprive the former president of independence, do not rock the boat !!! I even sometimes look at him with slight respect, he rarely has the truth in his words breaking out. Such moments look funny.
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 8 November 2017 10: 31
      17
      November 7 was a regular working day. Even in Moscow, under the leadership of the head of the military department of the Army General Sergei Shoigu, a meeting of the Russian Defense Ministry Board was held, which analyzed the activities of the military command and control bodies in implementing the May decrees of the President of Russia in 2012 and the activities of the Ministry of Defense action plan until 2020 .
      http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm
      ? id = 12149739 @ egNews
      It is impossible in a country to relate to events of world significance that have changed not only the country, but the whole world!
      1. iouris
        iouris 8 November 2017 19: 37
        +7
        Former member of the CPSU, lieutenant colonel of the KGB of the USSR V.V. Putin led the regime established after the counter-revolution. Here to explain any confused. This is Trump's clear: he is for traditional values.
    4. Boris55
      Boris55 8 November 2017 11: 12
      17
      Quote: Dead Day
      Unfortunately, there is something in it.

      Are we not proud of Svyatoslav, Suvorov, Brusilov or Zhukov? Why should we make a choice between them? This is our story and we should be proud of our compatriots who glorified our homeland regardless of the political system. The West has never understood Russia, he does not understand it now, but our fellow citizens should be ashamed of accepting the views of our enemies.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 9 November 2017 12: 19
        +7
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Dead Day
        Unfortunately, there is something in it.

        Are we not proud of Svyatoslav, Suvorov, Brusilov or Zhukov? Why should we make a choice between them? This is our story and we should be proud of our compatriots who glorified our homeland regardless of the political system. The West has never understood Russia, he does not understand it now, but our fellow citizens should be ashamed of accepting the views of our enemies.

        No need to choose between historical figures who played a significant role in the exaltation of our state. We must now choose the path that will lead again to exaltation. The goal to be pursued, the ideology of the state - these are the main pressing issues. Our Motherland always has personalities who are able to glorify their homeland and lay down their lives in order for the Homeland to become great. But who will proclaim this goal and lead the country in the right direction? We have no ideology, where are we going at all and what are we striving for? Independence? From what and to whom? First you need to call a spade a spade and identify ways and means of achievement. Our policy is twofold. Foreign analysts are right in this. It is necessary to decide: either Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Chubais are traitors and they must be judged for the collapse and plunder of the country or they are heroes and did everything right. If the first, then after the trial of them will be a logical way to return everything they have plundered to the state, to nationalize back the national property. And if the second, then why the hell are we fooled by imaginary patriotism, imaginary independence from the West, imaginary rising from our knees, imaginary gathering of Russian lands? Who, where, when did what to achieve this? Crimea returned? Now, how many years will this justify the ongoing rapid economic downturn, the ongoing plunder of the country? Yes, our people can overcome anything so that the country can be magnified. Only we need to know that everything is being done right and we are suffering for the sake of a better future for our descendants, and not for the sake of Mara Baghdasaryan continuing to ride on a helicopter.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 9 November 2017 12: 43
          0
          Quote: Svetlana
          We have no ideology, where are we going at all and what are we striving for?

          It is not true. We have many ideologies. Each party has its own ideology. The Communists - the Communist, the Liberal Democratic Party - the liberal, Fair Russia - its own, others - another. The people have the right to choose which ideology to vote for. In all recent elections, the people choose the ideology of EP - bourgeois. Our people like that they have it in all the cracks.
          Ideology, ideological power, is only a conductor of the concept.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 9 November 2017 12: 57
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: Svetlana
            We have no ideology, where are we going at all and what are we striving for?

            It is not true. We have many ideologies. Each party has its own ideology. The Communists - the Communist, the Liberal Democratic Party - the liberal, Fair Russia - its own, others - another. The people have the right to choose which ideology to vote for. In all recent elections, the people choose the ideology of EP - bourgeois. Our people like that they have it in all the cracks.
            Ideology, ideological power, is only a conductor of the concept.

            People do not like such an ideology of power and such power. But we don’t have another and without blood. Nobody wants blood, they have already swallowed it to the full. How to be in such a situation, people do not know. And who knows, he is in prison for extremism.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 9 November 2017 13: 40
              0
              Quote: Svetlana
              People do not like such an ideology of power and such power.

              Elections show a completely different thing. People vote for the bourgeois.
              Quote: Svetlana
              But we have no other

              There are communists, liberals, socialists. Choose.
              Quote: Svetlana
              and there will be no blood.

              It will be quite possible to change the social system in an evolutionary way. To do this, you only need to give knowledge on managing all people and it will be impossible to manage them in the old way.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 9 November 2017 14: 17
                +6
                Quote: Boris55
                Udet and it is quite possible evolutionarily to change the social system.

                Colleague, this is impossible! Capitalism never evolves into socialism!
                Here you remind Mr. Kautsky with his theories of the evolution of one system in another through democratic elections. "Karl stop fooling the people with pure democracy, democracy is always of a class character in bourgeois society, the so-called parliamentarism is the gain of capital class domination"
                Money (capital) is controlled by the elections and parties participating in them, which play a political performance in front of voters.

                In a class society, democracy also has a class character. So the Colleague is only a revolution, as a transition to the dictatorship of the proletariat.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 9 November 2017 14: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Colleague, this is impossible!

                  Maybe. Power is not in money. The power of knowledge. While the child is small and stupid, you can hang any noodles on his ears. As soon as the child has grown up, received education, then he can also hang noodles.
                  The disadvantage of all revolutions is that they are all financed from behind a hill and, naturally, not in the interests of the natives. In addition, the new government destroys the old and destroys its managers. This leads to the rejection of the country in its development at least 25 years ago.
                  Gref was afraid of the transfer of knowledge (power) to the people: 1: 50.
              2. sgrabik
                sgrabik 11 November 2017 12: 56
                0
                We certainly don’t need liberals, enough already, they were completely liberal in the 90s, and so we still can’t completely disentangle the consequences of liberal rule.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 9 November 2017 14: 27
              +1
              Quote: Svetlana
              But we don’t have another and without blood.

              And who will fight with whom?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 9 November 2017 14: 45
                0
                Quote: Stroporez
                And who will fight with whom?

                And most importantly, for what? How to destroy capitalism - there is "Capital", but how to build socialism - where is it? Everything described in Capital does not work under socialism.
                1. Svetlana
                  Svetlana 9 November 2017 15: 32
                  +5
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  And who will fight with whom?

                  And most importantly, for what? How to destroy capitalism - there is "Capital", but how to build socialism - where is it? Everything described in Capital does not work under socialism.

                  Under socialism and without Capital, everything that worked was necessary, and there was no need to reinvent the wheel. An economic miracle, much more miraculous than now in China, the country experienced in the 30's - 50's of the last century. The war won and the subsequent economic recovery as soon as possible (faster than in Europe with more significant losses, both human and material) confirmed the effectiveness of this model. After Stalin's death, braking began at full speed, because ideology began to change gradually and people were forced to overestimate values. And the war is already underway.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 9 November 2017 16: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Svetlana
                    Under socialism and without Capital, everything that worked was necessary, and there was no need to reinvent the wheel.

                    But comrade Stalin does not agree with you. In his work "ECONOMIC PROBLEMS OF SOCIALISM IN THE USSR" he explicitly pointed out:
                    “Now, under our system, the words about labor as a product and about the“ hiring ”of workers sound rather absurd: as if the working class, which owns the means of production, hires itself and sells its own labor to itself. It is so strange to speak now about “necessary” and “surplus” labor: as if labor in our conditions, given to society for expanding production, developing education, health care, organizing defense, etc., is not equally necessary for the working class that is now in power , like labor spent on pok digging up the personal needs of the worker and his family.
                    I think that our economists must put an end to this discrepancy between the old concepts and the new state of affairs in our socialist country, replacing the old concepts with new ones corresponding to the new situation. We could tolerate this discrepancy until a certain time, but now the time has come when we must finally eliminate this discrepancy. "
                    Fully: souz.info/library/stalin/ec_probl.htm
                    The Communists, remaining on the platform of Marxism, did not liquidate that discrepancy, as Comrade wrote about. Stalin, inevitably led the country to 90. Do not step on the same rake twice.
    5. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 8 November 2017 11: 24
      +9
      Quote: Dead Day
      unfortunately, there’s something in it ... add here awards to the hunchback, and the "Yeltsin’s temple" is generally incomprehensible ..

      That’s why I won’t vote for Putin, who ended up in the election campaign with whores, props and huts (isn’t he dumb? laughing ) In billuten I will write everything that I think about this nativity scene, i.e. I’ll just ruin it so that my vote is not cast for anyone.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 8 November 2017 13: 01
        +1
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        Quote: Dead Day
        unfortunately, there’s something in it ... add here awards to the hunchback, and the "Yeltsin’s temple" is generally incomprehensible ..

        In billuten I will write everything that I think about this nativity scene, i.e. I’ll just ruin it so that my vote is not cast for anyone.

        ... it’s better to put two crosses at once - on two candidates!
        And - voted, and - the ballot ruined ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 9 November 2017 13: 58
          +1
          Quote: CONTROL
          . Better to place two crosses at once - on two candidates!
          And - voted, and - the ballot ruined ...

          And you can finally not go!
          1. Oorfene Deuce
            Oorfene Deuce 9 November 2017 16: 28
            +1
            Quote: Stroporez
            And you can finally not go!

            Can. But there is no certainty that your ballot will not vote without you ...
            1. sgrabik
              sgrabik 11 November 2017 13: 01
              +1
              No, it’s necessary to go to the polls, so as not to say later that everyone decided without you and against your will.
      2. turbris
        turbris 8 November 2017 13: 23
        +7
        Read the Constitution and you can run for president, this does not mean anything, "democracy" my friend. I think that Putin will not lose anything from your voice, so far you should work on the grammar, in particular on the word bill.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 8 November 2017 14: 22
          +2
          Quote: turbris
          while you work on the grammar, in particular on the word "bill."

          ... you can "in the bullshit" ...
          ... options?
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      5. Evgeny Grachev
        Evgeny Grachev 9 November 2017 11: 20
        0
        Got it? ))) It’s you who got into the PR of candidates for candidates ...)))
      6. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 9 November 2017 14: 04
        0
        Do not bother scruffy paper, dear. All votes have already been counted.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 8 November 2017 11: 32
      12
      If we establish the holiday of the October Revolution, then how to celebrate the counter-revolution of 1991? belay Now our smart historians are spreading the socialist revolution in time until 1922, or consider it a common Russian permanent, which lasts to this day. Although the whole enlightened world knows its date for sure. Aren't our liberals ashamed to castrate our history? Although, he who has no conscience does not have shame.
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 11 November 2017 13: 07
        0
        And when the liberals were ashamed, and even more so where their conscience came from, they have no such concepts, they are unknown to them.
    7. Bechtin
      Bechtin 9 November 2017 11: 23
      +1
      and what is incomprehensible, appointed oligarchs and faithfully serves them.
    8. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce 9 November 2017 11: 29
      +2
      This attempt to sit on two chairs, to please everyone at once, causes a bewildered smile.
      But what about ... Flirting with the Russian Orthodox Church, returning the Soviet anthem, renaming the police to the police, billions to the drunk center in E-burg, annual grand parades, creating the Praetorian Rosguard ...
      Anyway, the admiration for Soviet power and at the same time the eulogy of modern "heroes" - snickering, corrupt oligarchs and other evil spirits who destroyed the old system and continue to do so, awarding them orders "for services to the fatherland" ... Opponents and antagonists of the West ... All capital and the kids have long been there. Hypocrites.
      How do they still not cause cognitive dissonance?
    9. Dimontius
      Dimontius 9 November 2017 11: 48
      +2
      how did you all get sick of digging in history negative
      1. Alexey Pishenkov
        Alexey Pishenkov 9 November 2017 13: 27
        +2
        ... yes, really ... what are we really? ... why is it the whole story? ... it’s better to ban it altogether, burn books, blow up monuments, etc. So, Dimontius ??? ...
    10. Alexey Pishenkov
      Alexey Pishenkov 9 November 2017 13: 19
      +1
      I agree, it is very easy to get confused in history, especially if, for the sake of the current moment, one or the other is magnified, it’s like a sentence taken from the text of a book, the real meaning and meaning of which can then be turned over as far as possible from the original author’s. And we are studying the history of precisely such proposals, unfortunately. In general, unlike most states and peoples, our history, especially over the past 100 years, is very complex and contradictory. The only country that can be compared with us in this complexity and contradiction is Germany - they also have in some places "this should be cut out, as it were, and the rest should be left" ... to make it beautiful. Only then is such a “beautiful” presentation of our own history and spills over into the confusion of the present - who are we? Where are we? with whom? which side? red? white? East? west? ... This is all because for some reason we are ashamed of our history all the time ... well, in any way we cannot accept it and realize it completely and without cuts ...
      Americans around the world have done so much shit - what is Hiroshima worth - and nothing, they don’t even bother ... they have the right story ...
      1. Dimontius
        Dimontius 14 November 2017 19: 28
        +1
        No not like this! Let it stay, maybe someone needs it ... for example, historians or diggers like you. Only here it is not necessary to pour into our ears - the PEOPLE from all sides historical reports with the opinions of contemporaries. These opinions do not convey the past reality in any way, because now the times are different and people are different too. Americans and Germans say? Well look what they have today? a) some do not even remember about the use of nuclear weapons, while others have moved the Holocausts for a couple of generations, and as if not about them. b) and the whole world loves them, they look in their mouths. The Germans are like cool industrialists, the Americans are where many cool. And here we are, everything in history is digging and sitting, sorry, half the population in * opera. And they fill our brains with historical themes from all channels (either revolution, now war, or religion). Yes, this is not necessary for the Russian people! Yes, just like the Germans with the amers (we are one human race) and the needs are everywhere the same + - and the goals are one big seven and decent prosperity. I do not urge to follow them, in no case. They are our enemies and our country is less developed precisely because of them. But just do not need to constantly remind us of this, all sorts of endless historical reports. We already remember - at the genetic level.
  2. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 09: 49
    12
    Power uses the rhetoric it needs, both ours and yours. How far will it be given this position will show the election. And Putin really got confused, though not in revolutions, but in the current situation for sure!
    1. Soho
      Soho 8 November 2017 10: 15
      +8
      perhaps the fact is that the gorlopans always seek (or expect) the political background in each act of the powers that be. But no one cares that the historical events in many civilized countries are treated much more calmly and more tolerantly. No one hovers in VK that Cromwell drowned in the blood of Scotland and Ireland. Or the dates of the Great French Revolution, the “exploits” of which are no less impressive than the exploits of the revolutionaries of the 20-30s. in the RSFSR., still marked by the French
  3. Irek
    Irek 8 November 2017 10: 22
    +2
    Trampych is not the same, the wrinkled penjaki became a nost ...
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 8 November 2017 11: 15
      +4
      This is a dollars pocket draw. He goes with them as with an all-terrain pass to all countries.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 8 November 2017 13: 02
        +3
        Quote: rotmistr60
        This is a dollars pocket draw. He goes with them as with an all-terrain pass to all countries.

        But did Yeltsin go with a bottle in his pocket?
  4. Hard Rock
    Hard Rock 8 November 2017 10: 26
    +7
    Another "analysis * of how well the lad understood the tsarist-Soviet and today's realities! I noticed everything, made a stunning conclusion, called Vladimir Putin and Trump, called both of them .. As for Putin’s fear of looking into the past and other nonsense on this subject, let They’re looking at their past, they don’t have so much of it, but shit there ... Let them start with the capture of the Mexican territories, the Indians, a terrible civil war in which the people died more than in all the wars and conflicts today. Did they draw conclusions? They shut up, shut up everyone, rewrote books, invented freedom of everything, but didn’t from everything, looked, liked it, secured the right to bear this “happiness” to all, in their opinion, unrighteous countries .. Apparently there are no more problems in states ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 9 November 2017 13: 32
      0
      In fairness, these "Mexican territories" in the first half of the 19th century, Mexico, which itself was only freed from Spanish colonial dependence, were nominally subordinate. Rather, it is more correct to call them "former Spanish territories."
  5. Altona
    Altona 8 November 2017 10: 31
    15
    The Kremlin’s non-celebration of the 100th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution has only one reason — the Kremlin fully identified itself with the oligarchs in attacking the rights of ordinary people. The oligarchs need not recall the popular protest that dared the bourgeois republic of the self-proclaimed Provisional Government and the liberal tyrant (because no one elected him) Kerensky. I don’t see any other reasons, all the more so as it was voiced by the duty hypocrite Peskov.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 November 2017 10: 36
      +6
      Quote: Altona
      The oligarchs need not recall the popular protest that dared the bourgeois republic of the self-proclaimed Provisional Government and the liberal tyrant (because no one elected him) Kerensky

      definitely Eugene. "do not wake famously while it is quiet," thought the Authority ...
  6. Overlock
    Overlock 8 November 2017 10: 41
    0
    very interesting, the view from the side. "Only those who lack the patience for negotiations or consultations pray for them."
  7. Overlock
    Overlock 8 November 2017 10: 42
    +4
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    How far will it be given this position will show the election.

    draw as needed
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 8 November 2017 11: 00
      +1
      already draw laughing
      Gennady Zyuganov announced the nomination for president of Russia
      The Communist Party will take part in the presidential elections in Russia, said party leader Gennady Zyuganov. He also said that all party organizations had already supported his candidacy. “I am the leader of the movement. All organizations nominated me, ”said Zyuganov. However, the final decision must be made by the party congress.
      Zyuganov is a presidential candidate for the fifth time.
      Born: June 26, 1944 (73 years old), Oryol Oblast, Russia
      What can I say .. Siskimaski repeated laughing
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 8 November 2017 11: 10
        +5
        Quote: To be or not to be
        What can I say .. Siskimaski repeated

        Do you spread lies?
        The decision to nominate a presidential candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation has not been made; a point on this issue will be put at the Communist Congress in December.

        This was stated by TASS State Duma deputy from the Communist Party, spokesman for the Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov, Alexander Yushchenko.

        “The decision to nominate a presidential candidate from the Communist Party was not made and will be made at the congress,” Yushchenko said. Https: //www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2017/1
        1/07 / n_10789514.shtml
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 8 November 2017 11: 38
          0
          "" Do you spread lies? ""
          You mean that. ZY 73 years? laughing
          https://riafan.ru/994327-zyuganov-obyavil-ob-ucha
          stii-v-prezidentskikh-vyborakh
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 8 November 2017 12: 44
            0
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Gennady Zyuganov announced the nomination for president of Russia

            Do you spread lies?
            The fact that he is 73 is true, but the fact that the President is a lie.
            Quote: To be or not to be
            https://riafan.ru/994327-zyuganov-obyavil-ob-ucha
            stii-v-prezidentskikh-vyborakh

            404 Error.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 16: 55
      0
      I have no doubt about it, but it will be a completely different story! I hope others will know for sure that they did not vote for Putin.
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 11: 14
    +1
    Read the "History of Russia" A. Tolstoy and the successors ....... Have you read? Donnerwetter! Welchem ​​Fuhrer Sie noch?
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 November 2017 12: 58
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Read the "History of Russia" A. Tolstoy and the successors ....... Have you read? Donnerwetter! Welchem ​​Fuhrer Sie noch?

      Read ...
      KREIZHAGELDONNERWETTERNOCHEINMAL!
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        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 8 November 2017 14: 30
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Ich verstehe nicht ganz, Sie Erklären Sie bitte.

          why not understand here!
          AK Tolstoy - one of the "goat bars", yernik and satyr ... oh, satirist! Or is it the first?
          ---------------------
          So all the same - "History of the Russian State from Gostomysl to Timashev" - a fashionable ernic libel (for that time), or satire? ...
          ----------------------
          (and the popular - albeit old - German swearing is definitely not translated, something like a "terrible repeated deification" with thunder and lightning)
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 16: 15
            +2
            Quote: CONTROL
            AK Tolstoy - one of the "goat bars", yernik and satyr ... oh, satirist! Or is it the first?

            Well ... ento from which side to look ... what I think that the "yernik" is more correct yes
            Quote: CONTROL
            "terrible repeated deification" with thunder and lightning)

            Now it’s clear ... but donnervetter .... you can also "pirate" - ,, Thunder and lightning! ,, ..... and you can "damn it!" as one cinema character said ... (of course, the second is not an exact translation, but a semantic one ...) hi
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 10 November 2017 09: 35
              +2
              [quote = Nikolaevich INow it’s clear ... and donnervetter .... you can also "pirate" - ,, Thunder and lightning! ,, ..... and you can "damn it!" as one cinema character said ... (of course, the second is not an exact translation, but a semantic one ...) hi[/ Quote]
              cross-hail-thunder-and lightning and all this again!
              In Russian it’s better: in the cross-god-mother-child ... I’m a thousand times! ... That's it !!!
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 10 November 2017 11: 28
                +1
                Quote: CONTROL
                cross-hail-thunder-and lightning and all this again!

                That’s what I translated. But I didn’t understand that there is such a curse word. It will be necessary to “learn”, the job,! As they say ....: live and learn! Ich danke Ihnen!
  9. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 8 November 2017 11: 53
    15
    instruct him to trump. Or Putin

    We got at the same time and in almost the same space
    Which of these will be - time will tell
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 November 2017 12: 17
    +6
    According to Filipov, “Red October” is, in fact, “the mother of all color revolutions”.
    The accountant Phillipov did not count the French, English and Dutch revolutions, this is first. And what is the coup d'etat of 1989-1993, when the Union was destroyed?
    The country has not yet revealed the complete archives, which describe in detail the scale of the killings and repressions committed by the “secret police of the KGB and its predecessors” during the years of “mass Stalinist purges”.
    I would like to know the extent of the victims as a result of the demarcation of the country in the 90s and subsequent years.
  11. Tektor
    Tektor 8 November 2017 12: 24
    +3
    I did not find the logic in the article. Just a set of unrelated offers.
  12. turbris
    turbris 8 November 2017 13: 18
    +1
    What is this nonsense? Why are conclusions drawn in an article on behalf of Putin? I started out on your foreign analysts, everything has been clear with them for a long time. I don’t know who Oleg Chuvakin is, but I’ve never come across the publication of such nonsense that there’s nothing more to do?
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 9 November 2017 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: turbris
      What is this nonsense? Why are conclusions drawn in an article on behalf of Putin? I started out on your foreign analysts, everything has been clear with them for a long time. I don’t know who Oleg Chuvakin is, but I’ve never come across the publication of such nonsense that there’s nothing more to do?

      This is not bullshit, but quite normal information for thought and discussion. Another thing is that in our country there are analysts, professional historians and publicists who know better the history of their country and have more rights to discuss and condemn any actions or omissions of the authorities in their country than semi-literate foreign journalists. It would be better to publish their opinion.
  13. BAI
    BAI 8 November 2017 14: 48
    +2
    The same was said about different kinds of observers - "Every gopher in the field is an agronomist." Moreover, they are more aware from overseas of what is happening here.
  14. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 8 November 2017 18: 58
    +2
    Today, no matter who says anything, there is NO alternative to Putin and is not yet visible.
  15. mihail7910
    mihail7910 8 November 2017 19: 09
    +2
    We in our country and our history will figure it out ourselves! Do not teach us what to do! Bad endings for “teachers.” The country got out of a state of anxiety, but to someone with a sickle on testicles! Let us live peacefully, otherwise nobody canceled the SICKLE AND HAMMER UNION (read economists).
  16. ARES623
    ARES623 8 November 2017 19: 11
    0
    “To make even a timid step forward for both leaders is hindered by the past, in which, however, they feel so insecure that it affects the present when one holiday is replaced by another or when democratic procedures are discarded by autocracy. The present therefore does not lead to "A bright future. In Russia, there is a clear regression with tsarism and ill-will with Soviet history because of the inconvenient Putin’s Russian revolution."
    These attempts at “political science analysis” are ridiculous in their absurdity and inactivity. The author, apparently, was "loosed" by the financial "gesheft" in the light of the impending elections from Western puppeteers. By March, we’ll see something else.
  17. Glen-99
    Glen-99 8 November 2017 21: 44
    +3
    Meli Emelya, your week. I remember Stalin and all his followers and I must admit that after Stalin, there were no leaders equal to Putin, and now he doesn’t see it, and therefore if he runs for office, he will undoubtedly win by an absolute margin. He took the country out of that ass into which liberal reformers of the 90s pulled it in, he knows what he is doing and in the most difficult political, international and economic situation he is pursuing a policy that has been verified to the finer points, i.e. skillfully spent the country between ,, Szila and Charybdis ,,.
    1. Alf
      Alf 8 November 2017 22: 53
      +4
      Quote: Glen-99
      if he nominates, he will undoubtedly win with an absolute margin.

      Who would argue ... At the last elections in Chechnya Putin already 103% drew.
      Quote: Glen-99
      he knows what he is doing

      Another apologist for HPP ...
      Quote: Glen-99
      those. skillfully spent the country between ,, Szila and Charybdis ,,.

      And where did he get her?
    2. Yanakolos
      Yanakolos 9 November 2017 11: 43
      +1
      I am glad that most Russians understand how the West hates Putin, and only because Putin keeps Russia. They should blame Putin and divide Russia, squealing like slaughtered pigs, foreign toads croak, and local jackals howl them; but to the people (which for Sobchachka is "scum") we cry out for screeching, howling and croaking, the people have their own truth and ... Putin, and together we are POWER!
  18. FREGATEN
    FREGATEN 9 November 2017 10: 42
    0
    The analysis is glorious ... Putin, and it’s just, is proud of what he is proud of in the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation ... And he offers to carefully draw categorical conclusions about a particular fact of our history, or, on the contrary, calls it black and black ... .Nobody confused except those who are looking for fish in troubled waters
  19. staviator
    staviator 9 November 2017 10: 49
    +3
    Therefore, the parade itself on Red Square is associated with the battle of the Red Army near Moscow. The Soviet units that passed near the walls of the Kremlin on November 7, 1941 did not stop, the author writes, until they reached the front line and hit the Nazis.

    Trump and Putin meet. Trump asks:
    - Why are your military called "Polite people"?
    Putin answers:
    - Because in 1945 we carried the Germans all the way home.
  20. ver_
    ver_ 9 November 2017 10: 52
    0
    Quote: Glen-99
    Meli Emelya, your week. I remember Stalin and all his followers and I must admit that after Stalin, there were no leaders equal to Putin, and now he doesn’t see it, and therefore if he runs for office, he will undoubtedly win by an absolute margin. He took the country out of that ass into which liberal reformers of the 90s pulled it in, he knows what he is doing and in the most difficult political, international and economic situation he is pursuing a policy that has been verified to the finer points, i.e. skillfully spent the country between ,, Szila and Charybdis ,,.

    ... one could say simpler - pulled out of a deep ass where two of our half-fools dropped her - Marked Bear and Boriska alkanaut ..
    1. Yanakolos
      Yanakolos 9 November 2017 11: 45
      +1
      AND WHERE DREAMING TO DROP TODAY'S LIBERSTS AND SHITS
  21. Sevastyan
    Sevastyan 9 November 2017 11: 00
    0
    The fastest Chuvakin himself did not decide and remained at the crossroads of three roads
  22. demo
    demo 9 November 2017 11: 04
    +4
    Of interest is only the section where the author discusses Putin.
    And he, such a clever one, does not understand the common truth at all.
    Putin seeks to be the President of all Russians.
    And the Communists, and liberals and monarchists, etc.
    And this is the right position.
    But did he stand on the side of the Communists or monarchists, completely supporting their point of view, what would it lead to?
    To a split in society and an increase in tension.
    The rest is not interesting.
  23. Maksim prikolof
    Maksim prikolof 9 November 2017 11: 10
    +1
    If somewhere a bahnul warehouse is Putin is to blame!
    And Poroshenko walked past, Putin's passport found.
    -------------------------------------------------

    Again and again, the American sixes of the putin-brains flew in
  24. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 9 November 2017 11: 11
    +1
    Quote: Tektor
    I did not find the logic in the article. Just a set of unrelated offers.

    To quote envious fools hanging labels of fools at the very top of the Russian Federation and the USA - why do we need it? Greyhound “thinkers” write on the instructions of the Washington regional committee and the editors appointed by this regional committee, which approved the strategy and tactics, the theses of propaganda of internal and external, outlined the main operations of a full-scale information war - it’s clear to us like two fingers under a stream of urine. The feeling of reading this UNSUFFICIENT FOR US and HAZARDOUS all passquil is very similar.
    1. turbris
      turbris 9 November 2017 11: 29
      0
      I agree, but here and on the site there is a whole information war, a lot of "cool propagandists" have divorced, so sometimes you need to put them in their place, otherwise they will announce a complete and final victory.
  25. astankard
    astankard 9 November 2017 11: 29
    +2
    Who wants what (which is more important and closer to him), then he is doing it! Russia, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation, this is one country, one History.
  26. Yanakolos
    Yanakolos 9 November 2017 11: 30
    +1
    Generally adored by the Americans, Boris Yeltsin signed the federal law On the Days of Military Glory (Victory Days) of Russia on March 13, 1995, in which November 7 was called the Day of Liberation of Moscow by the militia forces led by Kuzma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky from Polish invaders (1612 year).
    By his decree of November 7, 1996, Boris Yeltsin gave the holiday a new name - the Day of consent and reconciliation. The text of the decree, in particular, said: “The October Revolution of 1917 fundamentally affected the fate of our country. In an effort to continue to prevent confrontation, in order to unite and consolidate Russian society, I decide:
    1. Declare the holiday of November 7 as the Day of consent and reconciliation. ... "
    This is the first, second: Amers do not care about our holiday, and if Putin had issued a decree on the return of November 7 as the state holiday, “October Revolution Day”, the Americans would have howled even harder and the geyropa would have begun to echo them, having seen Putin’s desire to return the Soviet Union, or something like that.
    The USSR is broken - its public holidays are broken. Russia is not the USSR, and it has its own holidays, but we do not forget history either.
    But maybe these ovskie authors wish a return and a holiday and the USSR?
  27. andrew42
    andrew42 9 November 2017 12: 11
    +1
    The fact that Putin is trying to sit on 2 incompatible chairs (“February” capitalism and the not completely debunked “Red October”), Mr. Filippov is certainly right in this. An alternative to this would be to throw in the trash and burn the chair "February 1917", and remove the "red chair", wash it from anti-Russian imprisonment, and put it at the service of the Motherland. All the same, all the aspirations of the Russian people have been linked for centuries to a socialist, social, socially just beginning. But for this it is necessary to call a spade a spade, namely, to recognize February and October 1917 as two related stages of the PLANNED breakdown of the Russian state using its really shabby form of organization at that time. and this will not be allowed either by the "Gaidar" liberals (symbionts of the apologists of Trotskyism and usury), or the stubborn communists with their "written bag" in the Mausoleum, without them they do not know how to live). It is only hopeful that Russia has a conceptual perspective on how to get out of the situation, and the States have NO, because they built artificially on the basis of the same model of “Khazar Kaganate 9” —pawnbrokers, the religion of the Golden Calf, covered with biblical rags, a hired army for business promotion. The same chimera as a thousand years ago.
  28. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 9 November 2017 12: 20
    0
    The Russian Army is the strongest WORLD !!!!
  29. rexby63
    rexby63 9 November 2017 12: 34
    0
    There are many judges, but there are zero constructive proposals, zero. Our country has been split into two camps for more than 100 years, and this confrontation suits everyone. Everyone forgets that “on the other side of the barricades” people who are close to you all the time, are not the worst. Imagine for a minute if Putin began to solemnly celebrate 100 years of the October Revolution. Presented? And now another picture, after two months and a little, just as solemnly, but with a tragic note, note the dispersal by the Bolsheviks of the Constituent Assembly. So what do you think will happen? In my opinion, so madhouse, and in the literal sense
  30. Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2017 12: 51
    +1
    Quote: Dead Day
    Putin has become entangled in the revolution, foreign analysts say. Singing at the same time tsarist Russia and the glorious Soviet past with its victories, the Russian president found himself in an absurd situation
    unfortunately, there’s something in it ... add here awards to the hunchback, and the "Yeltsin’s temple" is generally incomprehensible ..
    ... Zhirinovsky, Alekseeva, and other anti-communists!
  31. Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2017 12: 54
    +1
    Quote: Svetlana
    Quote: turbris
    What is this nonsense? Why are conclusions drawn in an article on behalf of Putin? I started out on your foreign analysts, everything has been clear with them for a long time. I don’t know who Oleg Chuvakin is, but I’ve never come across the publication of such nonsense that there’s nothing more to do?

    This is not bullshit, but quite normal information for thought and discussion. Another thing is that in our country there are analysts, professional historians and publicists who know better the history of their country and have more rights to discuss and condemn any actions or omissions of the authorities in their country than semi-literate foreign journalists. It would be better to publish their opinion.

    yes good
    1. Bind
      Bind 9 November 2017 14: 27
      0
      That's right!
      This is not an analytical political center, where such articles are quite appropriate.
      I always considered this site to be at the forefront of our Russian propaganda. Yes, propaganda. It can be called differently, the essence does not change.
      Apparently, she was mistaken, populism still outweighs.
    2. turbris
      turbris 9 November 2017 17: 02
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      This is not bullshit, but quite normal information for thought and discussion.

      How did you find information for reflection and discussion in this article, I don’t know, probably read diagonally, everyone is looking for what he wants, I remain of my opinion - this article is illiterate nonsense designed for the layman.
  32. loaln
    loaln 9 November 2017 13: 40
    +2
    In general, the one who is shy about the past of his country is disingenuous when he talks about the greatness of the present of his homeland, since he simply “consumes” its future.
  33. Bind
    Bind 9 November 2017 14: 23
    0
    Just Putin is much smarter than all these "onolitiki"
  34. Santor
    Santor 9 November 2017 18: 31
    0
    70 years at school, they blew us in the ears, blew in the institutes, in the army ... This is evident when you read the thoughtful answers of people. Neither you nor we are to blame. But really true - not one thing has yet to be replaced that would really come in the brain. They may want to go back to the times of the USSR either those who didn’t touch anything there, or young people eating pensioner's stories about equality and that everything was the same and everything was cheap ... Yes, the penny cost gas and the bread was strictly at 16 kopecks ... And it’s the turn to buy a washing machine, the line on the furniture wall, I’m completely silent about cars - I remember how the Zaporozhets beat the former military commissar and how he thanked me later ... Women washed and dried bags to use again ... Needles were a problem for sewing machines, like sewing machines themselves ki ... 100 km from Moscow a different world began ... And each city had its own world - the world of special distributors and regional committees ... And trips to the country's social and capital .... There was a time. When the DK party committee approved the VIA repertoire, when the warriors directly on the street cut those whom they considered patlat ... They cut flared trousers with scissors - well, that’s the fashion ... You could get a reprimand in Komsomol for dancing a song in the "enemy" language lines. Here and out of the situation - they sang the songs of the Red Guitars, the Hungarian group Omega ... It seems to be rock, but like ours, socialist.

    My wife and I belonged to the party nomenclature - she was the first secretary of the Komsomol district committee. It’s got ... I’ll never forgive my son when she was forced to go to a distant collective farm for a meeting at the 7 month, they say a party card on the table was different ... I went, barely pumped out, my son wasn’t saved .... And after the restructuring these same people again they led us .... And only now they began to pick them out slowly ... Get them out of the cocoons. I don’t want to go back, and therefore I understand Putin ...
    1. groks
      groks 9 November 2017 22: 00
      0
      I will never forgive my son when her pregnant 7 month old was forced to go to a distant collective farm for a meeting, they say otherwise a party card on the table ...
      Forced? So it turned out to be more expensive than a child?
      Nobody started picking out anyone. How many years should this be picked out? Quite the contrary - the kids and granddaughters have flooded. Already quite far from thought (c), but smiling broadly after training abroad.
      sang the songs of Red Guitars, the Hungarian band Omega ...
      Well, the Poles - okay. But so that at least someone tried to sing in Hungarian - there wasn’t such a thing, the language would dislocate from a habit.
    2. petyaivolk
      petyaivolk 13 November 2017 09: 56
      0
      Quote: Santor
      But really true - more than one thing must change

      Oh, you arrogant red mug of the successor of generations, "grasping reflex" - that’s all your truth. It’s also true that the dictatorship of the proletariat was not for you, nomenclature.
      The main thing that it remembers is this creature - the VIA repertoire. The sweeter they ate, the thicker the shit **, to the sounds of foreign pop)))
      Quote: Santor
      My wife and I belonged to the party nomenclature - she was the first secretary of the Komsomol district committee. ... And after the restructuring, these same people again led us .... And only now they began to slowly pick them out ... Get out of the cocoons.

      It is very good that they started to pick you out. And who and how, "I and the spouse and these same people"? So they will go and the GDP will "get out", spiders in the bank)))
  35. Natalia777
    Natalia777 9 November 2017 19: 53
    0
    All the way. In the USSR there was a MILLION of good. Vladimir Putin never sang tsarist Russia. But he called for respect for the whole history of Russia - and autocratic too. The United States certainly does not understand that Russian can be both for communism and believe in God. But he is such a Russian people. He will always and everywhere find the best, even in capitalism, throw away everything bad, synthesize, improve and build a new = old bright future.
  36. Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2017 21: 01
    +1
    Quote: turbris
    Quote: Radikal
    This is not bullshit, but quite normal information for thought and discussion.

    How did you find information for reflection and discussion in this article, I don’t know, probably read diagonally, everyone is looking for what he wants, I remain of my opinion - this article is illiterate nonsense designed for the layman.

    You don’t know how to carefully read the comments, and they took someone else’s comment as mine, however with the fact that this comrade wrote, I completely agree, which I confirmed with two smiles. wassat
    1. turbris
      turbris 10 November 2017 14: 40
      0
      Exactly, still teach me how to read comments. Therefore, he replied to you that you completely agree, but I believe that I am right and strongly disagree with you.
  37. groks
    groks 9 November 2017 21: 36
    +1
    Strange to call a stupid billionaire. Probably no more stupid than most journalists.
    Putin ... There is still no clarity - who is behind it? But a couple of decades in a loose state is not good for anyone. Both the people and the oligarchs are not even benefiting.
    1. turbris
      turbris 10 November 2017 14: 43
      0
      Well, of course
      Quote: groks
      a couple of decades in a loose state
      , you better remember the state in which you stood under Yeltsin, you were not only put in a pose, but also fucked with vouchers or is good not forgotten?
      1. groks
        groks 10 November 2017 22: 02
        +1
        What changed? A - oil prices. Those. someone unknown to us, maybe Arab sheikhs, maybe American bankers, raised the price and our country sighed. Now the oxygen has been closed again. Neither in the first nor in the second, the influence of our elite is not visible. Only during the tracking period, our country has completely lost its food independence - all imported seed material. And the farmers themselves are talking about this. Those. tomorrow the west will refuse seeds and we ourselves will make a prezik even Navalny, even Obama. Just to survive.
        The situation in industry is no better.
        And by a miracle, the surviving defense was sentenced by a new conversion.
        Yes - at EBN it was bad, but it was possible to get out. The will of leadership was required. What now? Objective conditions have been created that make the rise of the country impossible.
  38. Radikal
    Radikal 10 November 2017 15: 23
    +1
    Quote: turbris
    Well, of course
    Quote: groks
    a couple of decades in a loose state
    , you better remember the state in which you stood under Yeltsin, you were not only put in a pose, but also fucked with vouchers or is good not forgotten?

    And you did not stand? belay By the way, the country continues to stand in this position even under Garant, moreover, he clearly said that there would be no review of the results of the voucher privatization! If you like to be his adept - be him! A flag in hand, a drum on the neck - a locomotive to meet! soldier
    1. turbris
      turbris 11 November 2017 10: 29
      0
      So I stood, so I feel the difference, but you still remained in this position.
  39. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2017 13: 04
    0
    Quote: turbris
    So I stood, so I feel the difference, but you still remained in this position.

    I, like most citizens of our country, have remained in the same position. And you, judging by your exuberant comments, now bathe in chocolate? Well, Caesar’s - Caesar’s, and the adept - Adept! wassat
    1. turbris
      turbris 12 November 2017 12: 05
      0
      Just do not need to sign for most of the country's citizens, I don’t bathe in chocolate, but I see a difference in position, unlike you.
  40. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2017 18: 51
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    Quote: turbris
    Read the Constitution and you can run for president, this does not mean anything, "democracy" my friend. I think that Putin will not lose anything from your voice, so far you should work on the grammar, in particular on the word bill.

    Notes are heard in your comment, at least by a member of the Central Election Commission - they really believe that one vote more, or one less - it does not matter, it will still be as it should! wassat tongue
    1. turbris
      turbris 12 November 2017 12: 51
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      And what is your radicalism manifested in? Position: "Everything is bad, Putin is bad, but I don’t know who will be better - flawed." If there are specific candidates, suggest it, we will discuss them vividly, but if not, then you are simply blowing the air, with a hint of originality.
  41. Radikal
    Radikal 12 November 2017 21: 38
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    Quote: turbris
    And what is your radicalism manifested in? Position: "Everything is bad, Putin is bad, but I don’t know who will be better - flawed." If there are specific candidates, suggest it, we will discuss them vividly, but if not, then you are simply blowing the air, with a hint of originality.

    Well, I thought so, I recognize the official’s style. laughing Do you have candidates for discussion? What for? Hear again what was? did you notice that in my comments I answered you - “you” write with a small letter? And why? And because you initially responding to the forum participants behaved disrespectfully, that is, referring to someone the word "You" started with a small letter, although it is difficult to suspect you of illiteracy, just disrespect for the rest - it looks like your lifestyle, your alter ego. And as for the candidates, I will say so - the current wassat for this, the satraps did not plunder the country for 25 years in order to calmly, peacefully, in the sense of a legitimate way give power to some other “candidates”, not for that they started all this, therefore I consider it pointless to discuss anyone with you. laughing
    1. turbris
      turbris 13 November 2017 12: 02
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      I don’t have any disrespect for the forum participants, otherwise I didn’t enter into discussions, it’s just strange that you somehow define it in capital letters, and not in text. I just have my own position - “Putin, given the current situation, should be the president and no one else!”, I defend this position. But you don’t have any position at all, you live in the past and don’t think about the present and the future, this is where our discussion ends.
  42. Radikal
    Radikal 13 November 2017 14: 23
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    I don’t have any disrespect for the forum participants, otherwise I didn’t enter into discussions, it’s just strange that you somehow define it in capital letters, and not in text. I just have my own position - “Putin, given the current situation, should be the president and no one else!”, I defend this position. But you don’t have any position at all, you live in the past and don’t think about the present and the future, this is where our discussion ends.

    We are like you, “without a past,” but with a certain present and future, we see and hear every day on television and radio! And the level of their cynicism and lies are already going wild. Many people believe in what they say - some because they don’t know how or don’t want to analyze information and the environment, others simply because of a lack of information. However, there are people who know the situation from the inside, and now for them everything looks different. Well, it’s really time to end the discussion - to discuss with an adept, and besides, if he is one of “them”, it’s the same as arguing with a zombie, or with a madman who is sure that he is completely healthy and the rest are not around. sad
    1. turbris
      turbris 13 November 2017 17: 05
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      Well, you have already identified me as adherents, only one of us is one of “them” a big question, it seems to me that it’s just you who are working on the election campaign. Not you are not zombies, just honestly work out your money "unbeliever" you are ours.
  43. Radikal
    Radikal 13 November 2017 17: 36
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    Quote: turbris
    Well, you have already identified me as adherents, only one of us is one of “them” a big question, it seems to me that it’s just you who are working on the election campaign. Not you are not zombies, just honestly work out your money "unbeliever" you are ours.

    “By their deeds you will know them” - it seems so. lol
  44. Radikal
    Radikal 13 November 2017 17: 49
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    Quote: turbris
    Well, you have already identified me as adherents, only one of us is one of “them” a big question, it seems to me that it’s just you who are working on the election campaign. Not you are not zombies, just honestly work out your money "unbeliever" you are ours.

    “By their deeds you will know them” - it seems so. lol

    And yet, after - about the adherents. wassat "Russia without Putin is Ukraine" - your words? wink
    1. turbris
      turbris 15 November 2017 11: 17
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      Unfortunately, it was not I who came up with this phrase, I borrowed it on the forum, but I completely agree with it. What hurt the phrase? You see how well sometimes words add up to the very point.
  45. Radikal
    Radikal 15 November 2017 15: 53
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    Unfortunately, it was not I who came up with this phrase, I borrowed it on the forum, but I completely agree with it. What hurt the phrase? You see how well sometimes words add up to the very point.

    You didn’t understand what I had in mind, but rather you pretended - in the previous comments you were hurt that I took you to the followers, and gave your words as an example. Now you have once again confirmed that you are an adept, and so what was “wagging” - adults don’t behave like that ... wassat tongue And by the way, it’s convenient to borrow other people's thoughts on the forum, if your own deficit? laughing
    1. turbris
      turbris 16 November 2017 10: 10
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      That's why the forum, to read the thoughts of others, and to borrow the phrases you like is not at all embarrassing, everyone does it, even such "thinkers" as you. If you want to call me an adept, then I have no choice but to answer with the common phrase "myself ...........". It doesn’t hurt me, do you think it’s just a pity that you don’t know what this phrase means, look into the dearest dictionary. I repeat to you again, I have my own position and I freely express it, but you don’t have it, so there’s no point in further discussing with you.
  46. Radikal
    Radikal 16 November 2017 12: 01
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    Quote: turbris
    That's why the forum, to read the thoughts of others, and to borrow the phrases you like is not at all embarrassing, everyone does it, even such "thinkers" as you. If you want to call me an adept, then I have no choice but to answer with the common phrase "myself ...........". It doesn’t hurt me, do you think it’s just a pity that you don’t know what this phrase means, look into the dearest dictionary. I repeat to you again, I have my own position and I freely express it, but you don’t have it, so there’s no point in further discussing with you.

    I have already figured out your “position” in your profile a long time ago - it’s like the one that was announced yesterday in the Kremlin by one of the allegedly awarded workers. Now he will be a deputy, like his predecessor from Uralvagonzavod! Returning to the comments from your profile, I can say that it would not hurt you to refresh your memory with a dictionary yourself! By the way, throughout your “highly intellectual” dialogue with me, they didn’t answer anything on the case, all the answers came down to a level like “myself”. However, you have a limited lexicon, and the forum "doesn't help" is already visible, so you ask me - maybe I'll tell you! wassat