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DPRK defectors talked about the consequences of nuclear testing

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After six underground tests, the territory in Kilju county of Hamgyon-Pukto province turns into a desert, reports RIA News report of the South Korean newspaper "Chosun Ilbo".




According to the newspaper, referring to defectors from the DPRK, in the region "80 percent of plantings died out, underground water reserves dried up, and children are born sick."

As one of the interlocutors told, babies in the province of Hamgön-Puktok began to be born with congenital malformations.

I spoke on the phone with my family, who stayed there (in the DPRK), and I was told that all the wells were dry,
said another defector.

According to the interlocutors, "the trees planted in the mountainous area in 80 percent of cases died, and the fish and mushrooms disappeared from the region even after the first test in the 2006 year."

They also reported that when the first two nuclear tests were carried out, "they evacuated only members of military families, while the locals were not even informed about what was happening."

Earlier, the Russian Federation and the PRC proposed to Pyongyang to declare a moratorium on nuclear and missile tests, and to South Korea and the United States to refrain from conducting exercises in the region to stabilize the situation, but in Washington they ignored this initiative.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 8 November 2017 08: 45 New
    38
    "Daughters of officers"? North Korean?
    1. Primoos
      Primoos 8 November 2017 08: 48 New
      29
      Defectors have no faith! These are traitors, traitors, mankurts. For a small solder, even their mother is ready to pour mud.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 8 November 2017 08: 49 New
        12
        According to a newspaper citing defectors from the DPRK, in the region, “80 percent of the stands have died out, underground water has run out, and children are born sick
        fake horrors began .. who would doubt ...
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 8 November 2017 09: 05 New
          19
          If the defector had two heads or four legs, yes)), and so, who knows what is happening there, but they need to be trusted in the last turn, and it is better not to believe at all. I recall a test tube of Powell ... they have perished the whole country.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 8 November 2017 09: 12 New
            +8
            Primoos
            Defectors have no faith! For a small solder, even their mother is ready to pour mud.

            Defectors will lie from three boxes to justify themselves in the eyes of the host! They really do not have much faith!
            For example, the Israeli special services were convinced of this, when Soviet Jews massively left the USSR supposedly to their historic homeland in Israel, saying that they were oppressed in the USSR! However, Soviet Jews traveled to Israel solely for mercantile reasons - mainly because of the legalization of increasing their welfare! And then many of them ended up almost directly in the United States. Only some of them turned out to be really with the military secrets of the USSR or with information of at least some strategic or tactical value ..
            1. japs
              japs 8 November 2017 10: 09 New
              14
              At Brest station I had a chance to contemplate and communicate with these "refugees" in the "promised" country. What dirt and swearing did not drive to the Soviet country. Through Brest, their route was to Vienna, there was temporary accommodation. And from there they brought down to Matrassia, Europe, who had the opportunity, and the rest to "Israel". My brother served the Czech Republic, he was strained with tickets, and he had to ride the "Vienna carriage" in the same compartment with the "unfortunate immigrants."
              He said if he had a gun, then ... They got it, apparently.
            2. Antianglosax
              Antianglosax 8 November 2017 11: 00 New
              +4
              Quote: Tatiana
              Soviet Jews massively left the USSR supposedly to their historic homeland in Israel, saying that they were oppressed in the USSR

              Only the majority of these clever men fell into real slavery, and a fierce hunt for Jews and their deportation to Israel was carried out throughout the geyropa. This is not customary to say, but it is written fairly. The "oppressed" in the USSR then cursed themselves and the whole World that they had chosen this wiring - to emigrate to Israel.
            3. brigadir
              brigadir 8 November 2017 15: 19 New
              +2
              And even here Jews were pulled by the ears.

              They left, dear, from anti-Semites, from people like you.
              People aged 40+ lost everything and many did not rise to their Soviet level - they did not learn the language, the profession is inappropriate ...
              The dairy rivers of kissel did not wait for anyone - but hard work and, at times, humiliation awaited.
              LEAVED NOT WHERE, but WHERE.
              1. Primoos
                Primoos 8 November 2017 17: 29 New
                +7
                Quote: brigadir
                And even here Jews were pulled by the ears.

                They left, dear, from anti-Semites, from people like you.
                People aged 40+ lost everything and many did not rise to their Soviet level - they did not learn the language, the profession is inappropriate ...
                The dairy rivers of kissel did not wait for anyone - but hard work and, at times, humiliation awaited.
                LEAVED NOT WHERE, but WHERE.

                For a satisfying JAVCHIK you went there. A thing of the past, why now lie? Did the "anti-Semites" kill those that remained? Not. Jews live with us in one country. But people like you, Provocateurs, constantly vomit from behind a hill. And the fact that you nomads were shitty met there and, horror, forced to work, so bring to those anti-Semites and claims. For cheating you, you cunning fool.
                1. brigadir
                  brigadir 8 November 2017 18: 06 New
                  +1
                  Yes, you, sir, are simply the god of discussion and the son of arguments.
                  So we talked.
                  What a blessing that I am not breathing the same air with you.
                  1. Primoos
                    Primoos 8 November 2017 18: 16 New
                    +3
                    Similarly.
                    1. brigadir
                      brigadir 8 November 2017 18: 21 New
                      0
                      I am glad.
                      The only thing I wanted to add about
                      Jews live with us in one country.

                      There are no "normal" Jews in your country. Doctors, teachers, musicians, scientists, engineers, simple hard workers - all left. All you have left are the oligarchs and krivlyavki on TV, which are just your eyesore. But they will soon end, there’s no new ones, and the Armenians are pressing.
                      1. Primoos
                        Primoos 8 November 2017 18: 29 New
                        +3
                        Yes, you are the most terrible anti-Semite. After all, it’s necessary to condemn all the Russian Jews in such a mass. Although, not surprised, you envy them with black envy for your stupidity. And the Nazi is excellent. Armenians too crap. What other nations have stolen matzah from you? Feel free to list.
                      2. zadorin1974
                        zadorin1974 8 November 2017 23: 54 New
                        +1
                        Yes, thank God such wealth as you dumped — my friends stayed — Evgen a couple of times. A student, went to work, and tries to solve something at home. Uncle Zhora also lives at home and practices in the Central District Hospital (Sarapionych-Scorpionych is also not from goys) I still regret skulls - opponents like you are not a fountain - even with the Professor the dialogue is interesting and enjoyable!
              2. Zefr
                Zefr 9 November 2017 18: 30 New
                +1
                "waiting for hard work and, at times, humiliation."
                "they lost everything and many never rose to their Soviet level"

                So what were you leaving? Humiliated you? Made to work hard?
                Well done, that they left. And by the way, that's what you need.
          2. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 8 November 2017 09: 18 New
            +6
            Aha ha ha, four legs and two head ... Plus for you .. I would believe too.
          3. NordOst16
            NordOst16 8 November 2017 09: 37 New
            0
            And I recall the May Day procession in 1986.
            1. japs
              japs 8 November 2017 10: 11 New
              +6
              You will regretfully regret that you were not in the Nord Ost ...
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 8 November 2017 10: 21 New
                0
                Knowledge was given, but apparently there was no increase in education.
          4. NIKNN
            NIKNN 8 November 2017 11: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: maxim947
            If the defector had two heads or four legs tady yes))

            Exactly... laughing And in my opinion, in addition to jackal habits, they don’t have anything, even brains, but I think these are not the consequences of tests ...
            trees planted in mountainous areas died in 80 percent of cases, and fish and mushrooms disappeared from the region after the first test in 2006
            Actually, it’s not experts who let fake, after radiation and mushrooms more and the trees are big ...
            There Chernobyl plantain even heals open fractures ... lol
            1. Dashout
              Dashout 8 November 2017 11: 24 New
              +5
              Well, of course, there is no faith in the traitors! Justify the "terrible" atmosphere of their vile deed
            2. spech
              spech 8 November 2017 12: 45 New
              +4
              There Chernobyl plantain even heals open fractures ...

              Only it is necessary to catch and still plantain laughing
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN 8 November 2017 13: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: spech
                Only it is necessary to catch and still plantain

                Well, I forgot ... laughing
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        3. NordOst16
          NordOst16 8 November 2017 09: 37 New
          +3
          Those. Do you completely exclude the possibility of infection by groundwater fission products and the fact that the government might not inform people of the threat (as we did in 1986)? The French already had punctures with the release of fission products to the surface.
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 8 November 2017 10: 54 New
            +5
            Now turn on head 16 yourself. How many satellites, ships and planes are reconnaissance in the DPRK circle. If the background had risen in the test area, the entire "democratic" press would scream about destroying the planet. Yes and South Korea is in the tens, and not in hundreds and thousands of kilometers — do you think there are tracking systems there? And do you think they would hide this data? Yes, then the noise would already be up to heaven,. So it turns out that you are NordOst16 or who is trying to put under an airship, or a paid troll .
            1. NordOst16
              NordOst16 8 November 2017 11: 46 New
              0
              It is not always possible to determine remotely the presence / absence of radioactive contamination because the nature of the infection plays a large role (if groundwater has been contaminated, then there are no options left but to take water samples.) Well, when trying to muffle a well (a Fakel nuclear explosion), a certain number of radionuclides was selected or when creating an artificial Chagan reservoir, but only after direct measurements on the spot (in the case of Lake Chagan) it was possible to determine the presence of pollution and its nature.
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 8 November 2017 12: 53 New
                +3
                You, do not direct a shadow on the fence ... Trying, drowning out the torch and conducting tests, in a specially prepared adit, are two different things wink . You, more than once, different people, wrote about the same thing ... Don’t Piss Bullshit .. !!! The location of the landfill, the composition of the breed, do you even know anything? Mattresses do not even know how powerful were the explosions? The same charge at 100m and 1000m, shakes differently ..
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 8 November 2017 15: 13 New
                  0
                  The last explosion was much stronger than the previous ones (and yes, the USA, Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation know the approximate thickness and depth because seismographs both scientific and working on MSM are located all over the world. So the whole world knows not only about the fact of testing, but also about the approximate power) so that
                  For North Korean engineers, the charge power could be underestimated (as happened on Ivy Mike) and the adit could be insufficient for this power. Design errors could have occurred. Because of what the migration of radionuclides could begin. Or do you think this is completely impossible?
              2. zadorin1974
                zadorin1974 8 November 2017 13: 21 New
                +1
                Do not consider the rest as stupid. All the same, a troll. If there is pollution of groundwater, the background on the surface of nature studies of class 5 will jump accordingly. The background jump of several sievert with modern equipment is detected over several thousand km.
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 8 November 2017 15: 29 New
                  0
                  Mmm ... hurry with the conclusions. If you already took up the school course, then at least understand the units and learn to distinguish the effective / equivalent dose of radiation from the exposure.
                  This is the first. Secondly, it is not necessary that the area shines like an exploded reactor, it is not enough to infect the ground water and the radiation effect will have a cumulative effect (therefore, it is undesirable to fish near Fukushima nuclear power plants because you cannot determine the presence of isotopes in this product with a dosimeter).
                  And the third - the fission products are overwhelmingly beta and alpha radioactive. So take a physics textbook for grades 10 or 11 and look at the penetration of these types of radiation (for air) and only then hang the troll label on the rest
                  1. LiSiCyn
                    LiSiCyn 8 November 2017 19: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: NordOst16
                    look at the penetration of these types of radiation (for air) and

                    Do not be fooled, so tough ... You, then about the breakthrough of radiation, through the rock, then about Fukushima ... But not once, specifically on the topic .. Enough, throw ..... on the fan.
                    1. NordOst16
                      NordOst16 8 November 2017 20: 39 New
                      +1
                      I explained some basics to a person and gave examples indicating that the radioactive contamination may be weak enough so that it could not be determined remotely, but powerful enough to harm health. The French already had a precedent for the Beryl test, when French engineers incorrectly calculated power and fission products came to the surface (their last explosion was much more powerful than the previous ones, so this cannot be ruled out). Again, the French formed cracks during tests on the Murooro Atoll.
                      Perhaps this is a common misinformation, but, as many here do, immediately rejecting the fact that this could be true is also not worth it.
                      1. LiSiCyn
                        LiSiCyn 8 November 2017 23: 13 New
                        +1
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        cracks formed on Murooro Atoll.

                        Can you imagine what an atoll is? As a rule, the vent of a volcano, in the form of a group of islands. Sintered lava, covered from the top, with a thousand-year-old layer of dead corals ... And the DPRK, hills, mountains, a rock base ... Granite !!! There, they are grazed from all sides ... And no one, ever, did not seriously, seriously ... Even they doubted at the beginning, the mattresses said that the first explosions ... It's just that Koreans, they pulled dynamite into the mine, before. ... and blew up lol
                      2. zadorin1974
                        zadorin1974 8 November 2017 23: 17 New
                        +1
                        I came and read. I agree with something, there is a problem of particle accumulation. But with the condition of modern technologies (even in our Urals, every day there are as many as three specialized automated laboratories — driver and security guard — all information goes to Maskvobat- there’s no way to get inside — seals and automatics! Do you think loshars are watching DPRK? It’s good to be smart, or admit that you are paid, or not very smart, BUT VERY WANTED !!!
      2. Anarchist
        Anarchist 8 November 2017 08: 59 New
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        Quote: Primoos
        Defectors have no faith! These are traitors, traitors, mankurts. For a small solder, even their mother is ready to pour mud.

        What are the defectors? They are also invented! Only the tests passed and immediately `` these '' took!?!
        Old songs about ...
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 8 November 2017 09: 09 New
          10
          According to interlocutors, “trees planted in mountainous areas died in 80 percent of cases, and fish and mushrooms disappeared from the region after the first test in 2006».


          M-nda .... I liked it about mushrooms .... wassat And in Chernobyl they don’t know .... what happens laughing

          From such messages, the whole of Seoul was scared of fear ... wassat
          1. Cat Marquis
            Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 10: 05 New
            16
            mushrooms already seen marching somewhere in the suburbs of Seoul. Some of them were dug in and built wood-earthen fortifications .... wassat
        2. The black
          The black 8 November 2017 09: 11 New
          +6
          We are waiting for a confession: "I am the daughter of a North Korean nuclear physicist. Believe me, there is not so simple" ..... wassat
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 8 November 2017 09: 38 New
            +3
            Those. Do you completely exclude the possibility of groundwater contamination by fission products?
            1. Dorren
              Dorren 8 November 2017 10: 47 New
              +4
              Opportunity is not a reality. Do you consider real evidence of groundwater contamination by dividing the testimony of “unknown defectors”? Especially considering the "mortar shootings" and other stories.

              It seems that the Western world has already forgotten what logic, the process of proof, and real facts are.
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 8 November 2017 11: 53 New
                0
                I agree that the opportunity is not a reality, but it’s worth taking into account that the DPRK government can hide the fact of infection itself (as we had during the Kyshtym disaster and in 1986 - if, in the second case, no one had raised a howl in Europe I wouldn’t know about this accident). Maybe they went too far about the dead forests (but this may be due to the desire to obtain refugee status), I do not say to believe in everything at once, but I would not call it in absentia either.
                1. lance
                  lance 8 November 2017 12: 47 New
                  0
                  so liberal 16 do not touch the Kyshtys, you were not there, and I served. and the fact that it’s loose from three boxes I know
                  1. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 9 November 2017 12: 05 New
                    0
                    Yeah, of course, misinformation. There was no accident, infection, too, only:
                    “Last Sunday evening ... many Chelyabinsk residents observed a special glow of the starry sky. This rather rare glow in our latitudes had all the signs of aurora. Intense red, sometimes turning into a faint pink and light blue glow initially covered a significant part of the southwest and north "the tail surface of the sky. At about 11 o’clock it could be observed in a northwestern direction ... Comparatively large colored areas and at times calm bands appeared at the last stage of the radiance, having a meridional direction."
                  2. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 9 November 2017 12: 19 New
                    0
                    Comrade Lancer, apparently, that B1, people from nearby settlements were not notified about the radioactive contamination of the area, which I consider a crime and hid this information for a long time. That's why I believe that the DPRK authorities can also hide the fact of a radioactive infection.
                2. Zefr
                  Zefr 9 November 2017 18: 39 New
                  +1
                  Yes you got it. Let the Japanese first clear the ocean of infection after Fukushima. And then they open their mouths.
                  1. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 9 November 2017 19: 38 New
                    0
                    One is not connected with the other
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      4. Same lech
        Same lech 8 November 2017 09: 13 New
        +4
        Defectors have no faith! These are traitors, traitors, mankurts. For a small solder, even their mother is ready to pour mud.
        A typical example of our Rodchenkov ... scum sale.
      5. Burbon
        Burbon 8 November 2017 09: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Primoos
        Defectors have no faith!

        mean Kim Philby ?? .... and he has no faith? fool fool
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        2. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 8 November 2017 10: 49 New
          +6
          Burbon
          mean Kim Philby ??

          Do not confuse intelligence on an ideological basis with the babble of those who run for a "better life."
          1. Burbon
            Burbon 8 November 2017 13: 02 New
            0
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Do not confuse intelligence on an ideological basis with the babble of those who run for a "better life."

            laughing and who told you that these defectors ran for the loot? .... this is your imagination so decided .. and where did you see the scouts - who for the idea without the dough ???? .... usually the dough just covers the idea. ... Rezun, after all, was ideological? !!!!
        3. AID.S
          AID.S 8 November 2017 13: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Burbon
          mean Kim Philby ?? .... and he has no faith?

          For information, he has been working for intelligence for almost 30 years, and this is his value, but what is the value of the Koreans who escaped (I agree that it’s not from heavenly conditions) —washing mud with their former homeland? And what else remains for them? You need to live somehow. Who will pay for positive or neutral reviews. Well, if the secret services found out something valuable for themselves, they won’t merge it into the press.
      6. NordOst16
        NordOst16 8 November 2017 09: 35 New
        +5
        Well, I would not say that. If all technological processes are not followed during nuclear tests, then it is quite possible for fission products to reach the surface or into groundwater (the French already had this, so it cannot be ruled out). And as for the traitors to the motherland - a person simply saves his life, this is his legal right and if the government does not report a threat (as we had in 1986), then saving the drowning people becomes the work of the drowning people themselves and in this case no one has the right to call their traitors.
        1. Dorren
          Dorren 8 November 2017 10: 51 New
          +4
          Your logic is lame again, double standards. He has the right to save (like the Vlasovites and others like them), and we have the right to consider and call him (them) traitors. And relate accordingly.
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 8 November 2017 11: 55 New
            0
            Those. if your government does not consider you to be a person, then I see the point in escaping from this country. Or does a person have no right to leave the country if there he is ill?
            1. lance
              lance 8 November 2017 12: 50 New
              0
              and you do not have time to leave her?
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 8 November 2017 20: 41 New
                0
                No, not yet intended. And, with luck, I would not want to leave. Although in countries of decaying capitalism it is much more interesting with grants and lab equipment
            2. AID.S
              AID.S 8 November 2017 14: 00 New
              0
              Quote: NordOst16
              Or does a person have no right to leave the country if there he is ill?

              It’s bad with a hangover.
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 8 November 2017 20: 42 New
                0
                Or from hunger (the latter was relatively recent, in the 2000s)
                1. AID.S
                  AID.S 9 November 2017 15: 25 New
                  0
                  Or at the front .. than not a legitimate reason to blame.
                  "Betrayal is a matter of date. Time to betray is to anticipate."
                  1. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 9 November 2017 15: 41 New
                    0
                    Well, as for me, the state should give its citizens the opportunity to leave the country. There is no such thing in the DPRK
                    1. AID.S
                      AID.S 9 November 2017 18: 37 New
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                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Well, as for me, the state should give its citizens the opportunity to leave the country.

                      There is no point in arguing with the Declaration of Human Rights, but more often those who refer to it provide citizens of other countries with the opportunity to exercise their rights as refugees, destroying their bad states.
      7. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 8 November 2017 10: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Primoos
        Defectors have no faith! These are traitors, traitors, mankurts. For a small soldering even mother’s mother is ready to pour mud


        No desire to live at the Semipalatinsk test site? They haven’t been blown up there for a long time ...
        1. lance
          lance 8 November 2017 12: 52 New
          +2
          but the grass grows, butterflies fly and there are no radionuclides on the surface in 2001.
          1. Black5Raven
            Black5Raven 8 November 2017 15: 45 New
            0
            Then why not move to this wonderful place? You can also to our south, where you can’t grow because the dosimeter beeps like a cut one. And people of oncology, I really don’t know why, grass grows, birds and butterflies fly three-headed.
            1. lance
              lance 8 November 2017 18: 25 New
              0
              Do not kick, it was the same under Chernobyl. lay out a photo of at least one triceps; you can put together a symposium.
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 8 November 2017 20: 43 New
                +1
                The man joked above - they just die quickly. And it’s so interesting, why else is the territory of the exclusion zone not populated or the territory of the Wurs?
              2. Black5Raven
                Black5Raven 10 November 2017 11: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Lance
                Do not kick, it was the same under Chernobyl.

                Then you are welcome to move there, eat mushrooms and berries, it’s business to exceed n times the norms, breathe dust, swim in the cooler pond or trample down.
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 8 November 2017 16: 17 New
          0
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          No desire to live at the Semipalatinsk test site? They haven’t been blown up there for a long time ...

          Strange argumentation. And in the Kyzyl-Kum desert they didn’t blow it up at all, and it doesn’t pull there either. There is no feeling that nuclear testing was not just carried out not in the Moscow region?
      8. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 8 November 2017 11: 04 New
        +4
        I spoke on the phone with my family, who stayed there (in the DPRK), and I was told that all the wells were dry
        How was IT able to get through with his family, all the more so supposedly living in the test area? Like North Korea, a closed country and communication channels are very regulated. And here...
        After such a passage, you can safely send the "daughter of an officer" to ... a brothel.
      9. Orionvit
        Orionvit 8 November 2017 14: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Primoos
        Defectors have no faith!

        It’s not even a matter of defectors, it’s just a way to give “information” at least some “credibility”. As the saying goes, "The devil is hidden in the details." We look at what they write
        I spoke on the phone with my family who stayed there (in the DPRK), and I was told
        After all that the Western (and not only) press spoke about the terrible life in North Korea, where every resident is constantly watched by a "bloody gebnya" (in the person of local special services), interesting conclusions follow. It turns out that in the province where the nuclear tests are carried out, any peasant has a home telephone number by which he can freely communicate with the "traitors" who fled "west" to South Korea. How can one now believe in the South Korean newspaper Joseon Ilbo ?.laughing Tomorrow they will write that all the surrounding residents, out of sheer curiosity, regularly drive their own cars, watch nuclear tests, and then inform their relatives in "democratic South Korea" about this. To be honest, I got my home phone only 20 years ago, although I live in a very big city, and not in the outback of North Korea. Mobile phones were still exotic, but I was happy that I had a connection.
    2. Smog
      Smog 8 November 2017 09: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      "Daughters of officers"?

      I myself am the son of a rice grower .... Believe us, not everything is so simple .....
      Another storyteller. What can not be said for the green card. Or whatever they call it in South Korea.
      1. novel66
        novel66 8 November 2017 09: 27 New
        +4
        Does Eun have an ice pick? what
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 November 2017 10: 53 New
          0
          In the skull? belay Not yet, but it wouldn't hurt ...
          1. novel66
            novel66 8 November 2017 18: 09 New
            +3
            unjustified cruelty
      2. Cat Marquis
        Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 10: 11 New
        +7
        Well, the first question to the “defector” is if the wells dried up and even the mushrooms disappeared back in 2006 and you were from these places, what did you and your whole family eat there for 11 years? Why didn’t you die of hunger and thirst (well, without mushrooms, like doping)?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 November 2017 11: 09 New
          +2
          Do you blame a person for not starving?
          What managed to survive?
          1. Smog
            Smog 8 November 2017 11: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Do you blame a person for not starving?

            The fact that he breshet.
            True, maybe he is from the promised land gum. help sent ....
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 8 November 2017 11: 23 New
              +1
              In those places where the USSR conducted underground nuclear tests, until now
              impossible to live. And this is true for any country.
              1. Warrior-80
                Warrior-80 8 November 2017 12: 08 New
                +3
                You exaggerate something, in Siberia we carried out a series of ground explosions according to the river reversal program, recently they did surveys on the site of the funnels of the lake with clean water and the background does not exceed 16 mcg average on the earth, that is, it is much cleaner and safer there than in a large city
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 8 November 2017 12: 48 New
                +2
                In those places where the USSR conducted underground nuclear tests,
                And Cho Americans won nuclear tests in Japan ...
              3. lance
                lance 8 November 2017 13: 03 New
                +1
                wolf wow good to lie. 1979 top chebula, underground poison explosion 50kt in order to study the mineral resources of the area. half of the people living in the territory do not even know what he was. chemical protection exercises are taking place across the “infected” territories, there’s more than enough water, crayfish in lakes over the roof.
          2. Cat Marquis
            Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 11: 22 New
            +1
            Do you blame a person for not starving?

            "Uncle Petya, you -.......?" - a phrase from the movie "Seryozha" (1960). wink
            You do not know the difference between the “accusation” and the “question”? lol
          3. Guru
            Guru 8 November 2017 12: 40 New
            +1
            During the Second World War, there were also survivors in the Ghetto, they shoved their relatives into the cells, But what about the Good Guys - THEY JUST SURVIVED? Did I understand your logic correctly?
          4. The brightest
            The brightest 8 November 2017 14: 24 New
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Do you blame a person for not starving?
            What managed to survive?

            We blame a person for lying (like you) and for the fact that he has betrayed his people by insignificance.
  2. shans2
    shans2 8 November 2017 08: 45 New
    +1
    If they had conducted numerous ground tests, I might have believed in -

    "According to the interlocutors," trees planted in mountainous regions died in 80 percent of cases, and fish and mushrooms disappeared from the region after the first test in 2006. "
    1. NordOst16
      NordOst16 8 November 2017 09: 40 New
      0
      The French had a puncture in Algeria when the fission products hit the surface.
  3. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 8 November 2017 08: 45 New
    13
    "I spoke on the phone with my family, who stayed there (in the DPRK), and I was told that all the wells were dry," Strange, we have last year too! Is it really Eun's fault? belay
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 8 November 2017 08: 52 New
      10
      Hello, hello hi In my opinion, this is another “objective disinformation” commissioned by the United States.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 8 November 2017 08: 56 New
        +5
        Hi, Max! hi Who would doubt it! If you listen to them, Trump does not need to do anything with S. Korea: the people themselves will die out from nuclear tests. fool
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 8 November 2017 09: 03 New
          +7
          And they were not too lazy to scroll through the old trick with the “daughter of an officer”. I won’t be surprised if later it turns out that these pseudo-shippers have nothing to do with DPRK at all. yes
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 8 November 2017 09: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: Jedi
            I won’t be surprised if later it turns out that these pseudo-shippers have nothing to do with DPRK at all.

            And there were no defectors from the DPRK! yes
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 8 November 2017 09: 09 New
              +7
              And when did the US bother with the plausibility of its falsifications? In pursuit of their "Wishlist" they can introduce to the world representatives of the lunar or Martian community, begging the United States to "bring them democracy." wassat
              1. Anarchist
                Anarchist 8 November 2017 09: 18 New
                14
                Max, that there is no democracy on the moon? Why did the Yankees fly there?
                Got it: no oil, no democracy ...
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 8 November 2017 09: 22 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Anarchist
                  Got it: no oil, no democracy ...

                  Exactly. But if only Russia or China give a hint about the lunar program, the US will quickly concoct a plan for democratizing the moon. yes
                2. novel66
                  novel66 8 November 2017 09: 28 New
                  +3
                  where, where did they fly?
                  1. Redfox3k
                    Redfox3k 8 November 2017 09: 42 New
                    +2
                    To the moon! But there is no oil there ... Therefore, the program of flights to the moon has come to naught.
                    1. Cat Marquis
                      Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 10: 37 New
                      +1
                      There (on the moon) there is a little abruptly "tritium" oil. But it seems that he has already been "staked out" by other "democratizers" from another galaxy. wink
                  2. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 8 November 2017 12: 10 New
                    +1
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    where, where did they fly?


                    There, where we were going.
                    Boris Chertok Rockets and People Book 4

                    Chapter 2. The lunar program of the USA
                    Chapter 3. The lunar program H1-L3 under the Queen
                    Chapter 4. Difficult conversation with the Royal
                    Chapter 5. Management H1-L3
                    Chapter 6. Lagging, but not surrendering
                    Chapter 7. CORD and ATG
                    Chapter 8. We are again ahead of the rest
                    Chapter 9. “Understand and report events”
                    Chapter 10. Year 1969, first launch of H1
                    Chapter 11. After the accident H1 No. 3L
                    Chapter 12. Triumphs and crises of the lunar programs

                    Self-education is a useful thing.
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 8 November 2017 18: 11 New
                      +3
                      stop raving - they didn’t fly anywhere, unless there was a pot from the bed
    2. Dimachrus
      Dimachrus 8 November 2017 09: 06 New
      +3
      Yeah, from south to north he called by PHONE))) He even knows how many phones in the DPRK and who they have)))
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 8 November 2017 09: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Dimachrus
        Yeah, from south to north he called by PHONE))) He even knows how many phones in the DPRK and who they have)))

        So maybe this Eun ran away? belay laughing
      2. Redfox3k
        Redfox3k 8 November 2017 09: 50 New
        +1
        So he has relatives there ... all of the DPRK he has are relatives [media = https: //vk.com/video-34452608_
        169852917]
      3. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 8 November 2017 11: 09 New
        0
        Well, it’s for nothing that in DPRK there is even something similar to the Internet for wide use, not to mention mobile ones. Only this whole system works under serious supervision and does not allow access to other people's resources. For information, there are many factories and manufactures of large South Korean firms (and not only) are in the DPRK (cheap labor force, however). Moreover, producing and collecting electronics of the last generation.
        1. Cat Marquis
          Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 11: 47 New
          +2
          Not quite in the DPRK, but in the "demilitarized zone." By the way, a wonderful example of the duplicity of the Western capitalist model for which “money does not smell” —in the DPRK offshore, by the hands of poor workers from this country, they produce components for computers, laptops, smartphones, which will be sold, then, in the countries of “progressive humanity” "condemning the communist regime of the" bloody Un "..
    3. Sinbad
      Sinbad 8 November 2017 09: 27 New
      +2
      Wow, there is a direct telephone connection. Either they claim the absence of any contacts, then the phone is uncensored?
      1. Dorren
        Dorren 8 November 2017 10: 54 New
        0
        It also scratched - even against the background of the rest of the cranberries.
    4. ghby
      ghby 8 November 2017 10: 50 New
      0
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      "I spoke on the phone with my family, who stayed there (in the DPRK), and I was told that all the wells were dry," Strange, we had it last year too! Is it really Eun's fault?

      All the water we have wassat in the cellars the second year appears where they have not been seen since the 50s.
    5. Colonel
      Colonel 8 November 2017 12: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      we have last year too!

      Did you blow up too? Damn, Trump is not on you.
  4. Satum
    Satum 8 November 2017 08: 47 New
    +3
    It feels like they’re being paid for the article, so that Trump would free their country and give “divine” democracy. After the war, not only will their water disappear
  5. Masya masya
    Masya masya 8 November 2017 08: 52 New
    +8
    It reminds me of fairy tales about Russia, and of which we have already mentioned today ... wink now they have taken up the DPRK ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 8 November 2017 09: 30 New
      +3
      however, now we will buy Korean cabbage and carrots with a geiger counter
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 8 November 2017 09: 34 New
        +6
        Don’t ... make your own !!! wink
        1. novel66
          novel66 8 November 2017 09: 35 New
          +5
          well, under the carrot! drinks
  6. Smoked
    Smoked 8 November 2017 08: 54 New
    +1
    Last time, at least a deserter girl was dressed up in a national costume, but now they want to take naked text.
  7. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 8 November 2017 08: 54 New
    +5
    Well, yes, everything died out there, and on the facsimus the flowers are fragrant and nightingales sing
  8. SOF
    SOF 8 November 2017 08: 59 New
    +2
    Earlier RF and DPRK proposed Pyongyang declare a moratorium on nuclear and missile tests

    wink
    ... and the DPRK, by chance, did not join the sanctions regime against Pyongyang?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 09: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: SOF
      Earlier, the Russian Federation and the DPRK proposed to Pyongyang to declare a moratorium on nuclear and missile tests.

      Quote: SOF
      ... and the DPRK, by chance, did not join the sanctions regime against Pyongyang?

      Apparently, the author was too carried away by watching a certain Armenian cartoon, where a monster fish eaten itself with an appetite .... lol
      1. SOF
        SOF 8 November 2017 09: 19 New
        +1
        laughing
        But what ... It would be an ideal option to crawl out of a cooked situevina for meager hegemony ...
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 November 2017 09: 13 New
    +2
    And what should defectors say? They always say what the new "owners" want to hear!
    The main thing is that no one can check their words ...
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 November 2017 09: 22 New
    +4
    , in the province of Hamgyun-pukto, babies began to be born with birth defects.
    I suppose that instead of their first word “mother” these babies shout “Yankees, go home !!!”.)))
  11. Going
    Going 8 November 2017 09: 38 New
    13
    As one of the interlocutors told, babies in the province of Hamgön-Puktok began to be born with congenital malformations.


    The United States is preparing public opinion for aggression against the DPRK.
  12. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 8 November 2017 10: 19 New
    +1
    Wells dry up - the reason is a high fracture of the rock.
    An explosion increases the fracture by orders of magnitude - fission products can break to the surface, and groundwater goes below.
    Not much land in North Korea to find a deserted place to test
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 8 November 2017 10: 22 New
      +2
      Yes, no one thinks when developing nuclear weapons about the population.
      On the EURT – Muslumovo zone, for example, oncology is also common and deformities of children are not uncommon.
      Paying the population for a Soviet nuclear project.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 November 2017 12: 58 New
        0
        Paying the population for a Soviet nuclear project.
        acquainted, now tell us about the pay of the American population.
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 8 November 2017 11: 26 New
      +1
      What is the "crack"? laughing , in Korea, a skalnik .. The temperature of the explosion, such that the walls of the mine are sintered into glass ... What are the breakthroughs of gases ..? A cavity with monolithic walls is formed. The only way out is through the mine, where, in addition to shields and suppressors, ud. waves, a lot of traffic jam .. Do you have any idea how the underground tests are conducted ??
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 8 November 2017 12: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        What is the "crack"? , in Korea, a skalnik .. The temperature of the explosion, such that the walls of the mine are sintered into glass ... What are the breakthroughs of gases ..? A cavity with monolithic walls is formed. The only way out is through the mine, where, in addition to shields and suppressors, ud. waves, a lot of traffic jam .. Do you have any idea how the underground tests are conducted ??


        You apparently didn’t have anything to do with drilling and blasting.
        Fracturing of the rock is the most important parameter when choosing a testing ground for underground nuclear testing.
        The shock wave leads to cracking of the surrounding rock, underground waters go to great depths through cracks, and radioactive products gases burst


        It is very simple to get rid of radiation.
        To eliminate the consequences of thoughtless burials, accidents, tests is monstrously expensive, in many cases - it is impossible.
  13. mariusdeayeraleone
    mariusdeayeraleone 8 November 2017 10: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: Primoos
    Defectors have no faith! These are traitors, traitors, mankurts. For a small solder, even their mother is ready to pour mud.


    Do you even understand what conditions there people live in? By the way, just those ki cross to their
  14. Livonetc
    Livonetc 8 November 2017 10: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: NordOst16
    The French had a puncture in Algeria when the fission products hit the surface.

    Enough to spew out "fission products."
    Prepare a more burning term.
    Repetitions do not hold the attention of the audience.
  15. Bert
    Bert 8 November 2017 10: 39 New
    0
    As I recall, we spent our nuclear in the New Earth. Now take a look at the DPRK. Compare the scale. Where to conduct nuclear tests there?
  16. Rostislav
    Rostislav 8 November 2017 10: 40 New
    0
    So gardens at nuclear test sites are not planted.
  17. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 10: 46 New
    +2
    It seems like a typical treatment of the world electorate has begun on the topic of “protecting the suffering civilian population of the DPRK from the evil tyrant Un and his clique” before throwing the country with “democratic” bombs and missiles ...
  18. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2017 10: 52 New
    0
    and fish and mushrooms disappeared from the region after the first test in 2006

    this is not clear, the fish could die, but not disappear, but with mushrooms I did not understand at all
    1. Cat Marquis
      Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 11: 52 New
      +2
      I agree, of interest to many in VO, the "theme of mushrooms" is far from fully disclosed .... wink
    2. lance
      lance 8 November 2017 13: 33 New
      0
      This is an ancient and terrible tale that in a zone with increased radiation, the crayfish die, the mushrooms do not live. while serving in Kyshtym in1983 they both gathered and ate. everyone had dosimeters. in forbidden zones (on former settling tanks) apple trees grow. for all the time of service they encountered an “explosive” elk, which began to chase outfits. after his shooting they did find an elevated background, but where he found a place they didn’t find it. We saw interesting woodpeckers with a carcass over 40 cm, but that’s probably all. BTR ami traveled all the evil places. there is currently no threat to life
  19. Old26
    Old26 8 November 2017 10: 59 New
    0
    Quote: maxim947
    If the defector had two heads or four legs, yes)), and so, who knows what is happening there, but they need to be trusted in the last turn, and it is better not to believe at all. I recall a test tube of Powell ... they have perished the whole country.

    You're right. You can believe in the last turn. But it is also impossible to not use their information as the next puzzle mosaic.
    They don’t believe it like that, and then they start to wonder. And this is not only with regard to the DPRK.

    It is possible that the underground tests violated the hydrology of the area and the wells were dry, especially since this is a mountainous area. And the trees can die if the groundwater is gone.
    We then (like all others) tried to tear our charges in the desert, but the Koreans were unlucky in this regard. Yes, and at the very beginning of work on nuclear weapons, as a result of accidents, it was such that people were born with birth defects. After all, the local population was not informed about this.
  20. Des10
    Des10 8 November 2017 11: 48 New
    +1

    North Korea has an interest in South Korea, but these are their, Korean affairs.
    For the rest, North Korea did not wage wars outside its state.
    The United States is now shrinking from them as from the USSR.
  21. Makarov
    Makarov 8 November 2017 12: 38 New
    0
    Strange ... but in Chernobyl bison appeared and fish are darkness ... but the neighbors will not lie on the phone ...
  22. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 November 2017 12: 54 New
    +2
    Whether or not defectors were not the issue. The point is Russian oligarchic means of propaganda. You read and understand, they slandered the Union in the same way. And when Marked arrived, they began to voluntarily smear themselves with mud.
  23. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 November 2017 13: 18 New
    +1
    Here is the difficult childhood of Korean children.

  24. The brightest
    The brightest 8 November 2017 14: 28 New
    0
    According to the interlocutors, "the trees planted in the mountainous area in 80 percent of cases died, and the fish and mushrooms disappeared from the region even after the first test in the 2006 year."
    photos from a neighboring topic, see paint paint ...

    topwar.ru/129058-ssha-severnaya-koreya-vn
    ov-aktivizirovala-rabotu-na-poligone-pungi-ri.htm
    l
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  26. NordOst16
    NordOst16 8 November 2017 23: 35 New
    0
    LiSiCyn,
    Well, the last explosion created fluctuations that rated about 6 points - and this is not enough. The Phungeri Test Site is located next to an extinct volcano in the highlands. It is not known what kind of soil and rocks there are. The French also chose to test the Hoggar granite plateau. The site of the nuclear tests was the Taurirt-Tan-Afella granite mountain region, located on the western border of the Hogtar mountain range. And during one of the tests, the power was not calculated (the Beryl test) as a result, they received a mass release of radionuclides into the environment.
    Again, I repeat, perhaps the information is obviously false, but the history of the French trials showed that the granite mountain is not a panacea for incorrect calculations (and they could be).
    I want to stop this dialogue (due to the exhaustion of the topic), but once again I emphasize that everything can be.
  27. NordOst16
    NordOst16 8 November 2017 23: 41 New
    0
    zadorin1974,
    Notice, I'm not saying that this message is absolutely true and you need to believe it. I just want to say that maybe this message is true (and maybe not). It’s just that during the Kyshtym catastrophe they also did not inform the population of nearby territories and hid information about the infection. I don’t know about you, but I just share my own opinion and give arguments and want to stop this dialogue (due to the exhaustion of the topic), but I emphasize once again that everything can be. And everyone has their own opinion)))
    To the man above, I gave an example with French trials.
  28. Litvinov
    Litvinov 9 November 2017 02: 08 New
    +1
    From the traitors and you will not hear another. On the other hand, the authorities of the Republic of Kazakhstan are forcing them to defame the DPRK so that there is no temptation to return. Returnees who do not defame their homeland have the opportunity to return to normal life, but these do not.
  29. the same doctor
    the same doctor 9 November 2017 10: 25 New
    0
    The country the United States plans to attack has to make any sacrifices. Otherwise, the DPRK will be worse than in Iraq and one million victims will not get off.
  30. gromoboj
    gromoboj 9 November 2017 16: 38 New
    0
    ---
    I spoke on the phone with my family, who remained there (in the DPRK), and I was told that all the wells were dry.
    ---
    One question: "How?"
    How he spoke to them over the phone if, according to North Korean laws, the family was to be imprisoned. And if they didn’t put me in, I doubt that anyone is free to use international communications there.