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And we warned. A new non-nuclear strategic deterrence system has been created in Russia

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How was Vladimir Ilyich there in the famous Soviet film about the socialist revolution? "Comrades, the socialist revolution, the necessity of which the Bolsheviks spoke for so long, has been accomplished"? I am writing purely from memory, so I apologize if I have distorted the text somewhere. The essence remained precisely the one about which Lenin spoke. And the article about a completely different revolution. Not about the socialist, not about the bourgeois and not even about the scientific and technical. An article about the revolution in the Russian defense system.


And we warned. A new non-nuclear strategic deterrence system has been created in Russia


Yes, 7 in November 2017 of the Year "Lenin" in the person of the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Valery Gerasimov announced a revolution in the defense system of our country! So, exactly 100 years after the social revolution, we got a revolution in the army.

I will not intrigue. Yesterday, the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation announced the creation of a full-fledged group of high-precision weaponsable to use missiles at a distance of 4000 kilometers. This was reported by Interfax-AVN.

"Formed controls and special units that plan the use of high-precision long-range weapons and the preparation of flight missions of all types of cruise missiles".

The fact that our missiles have repeatedly demonstrated their capabilities in applying them to targets in Syria is well known to all. The rush after the next launch of rockets from any carrier in Russia is long gone. On the contrary, the majority of Russians would be very surprised if such a launch took place in a non-standard mode. You quickly get used to good things.

In a short period of time, which was given to our defense and military personnel, Russia has managed to create what most of the states only dream of today. The head of the General Staff in his speech even called the deadline for such a task: 5 years! "Over the past five years, a breakthrough has been made in equipping the armed forces with long-range precision weapons."

What is really done in such a short time? Why is this event really akin to revolution? And what is this system that allows you to solve problems not only with the use of nuclear weapons, but also with conventional high-precision weapons. How does this happen in Syria?

In fact, we received a new format of military relations with our neighbors. If earlier, before the official statement of the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, most military analysts and specialists referred to the presence of nuclear deterrence in Russia, today we can safely say about the emergence of a non-nuclear deterrence system!

What elements did this system come from? Enemy spies will ask to postpone the pen, I will not say anything new. In fact, the elements of this system have long been known to most readers of the Military Review. Who has not heard of the Iskander-M operational tactical missile system? Maybe for someone of a curiosity, Caliber, sea-based missile systems? Or maybe we did not write about the new X-101 cruise missiles that are used by our "strategists"?

As you can see, every element of this system is known. Moreover, each element was repeatedly checked. This happened during the "classical" tests, and during the military conflict in Syria. But the system only consists of elements. And the presence of these notorious elements does not mean the creation of a coherent system.

And it is here that something pops up that our specialists didn’t particularly extend to yesterday. Weapons, however good they are, require respect for oneself. And modern weapons also require the creation of many services that will actually send these weapons to the right place.

This is what Valery Gerasimov said. For specialists, one phrase is enough: "... the hardware-software complexes for planning, information support and the preparation of combat data were adopted for supply." Simply put, Russian precision weapons now have no less modern means of control. And this is a completely different level.

I foresee the skepticism of some readers who, according to the old worn-out scheme, will now begin to talk about the quantity of such weapons. Any specialist has repeatedly come across such skeptics. "Well, yes. We created it ... so what? There are no such weapons in Tmutarakansk! There are still old Soviet guns (Tanks, planes, rockets ...)! "Isn't that a familiar picture?

I agree about "Tmutarakansk". Why are there X-101 rockets? In the taiga, where there are almost ten thousand kilometers in a straight line to the likely enemy? Nobody ever saw strategic bombers at the local airfield. Yes, and do not fit such an aircraft on takeoff.

The answer sounded again in the speech of General Gerasimov. Over the past 5 years, "... serial deliveries of Iskander-M tactical missile systems, submarines and surface ships with the Caliber missile system were launched, and the modernization of Far aviation under the use of the new X-101 cruise missile. "I specifically focus readers on" serial "! These are not piece products.

And for those who are good news increase vitality, I will inform one more figure. For a complete set of "healthy lifestyle" from HE. More precisely, personally from the chief of the General Staff. "As a result, the number of land-based, sea-based and airborne carriers increased by more than 12 times, and high-precision cruise missiles - more than 30 times."

The usual kind of speech of one of the leaders of the Armed Forces of Russia. The military is not at all inclined to lyrics. Accurately, briefly and without too much pathos, he reported on the creation of an almost new “shield” for our country. It seems to be a common thing. On that stand. And in fact...

The emergence of a new shield from Russia is fundamentally changing the balance of power in Europe and Asia. We talked at various sites about containment systems. We have long warned about the possibility of an asymmetric response to the encroachment of the block. It remains only to congratulate our Western "partners" and recall the words of V. I. Lenin with which I began this article ...
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  2. Grandfather
    Grandfather 8 November 2017 06: 52 New
    +6
    Yesterday, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation announced the creation in Russia of a full-fledged group of carriers of high-precision weapons capable of using missiles at ranges up to 4000 kilometers.
    belay Is this the true range of the OTRK and the "caliber"? or sho? what
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 8 November 2017 07: 00 New
      15
      Well, it’s one thing the range of one missile and the other the possibility of a quick, accurate strike in large numbers. These are not targeted attacks on militants anymore, but the possibility, for example, after ordering in a short time to suppress all air defenses, for example, of a country from this distance. I exaggerate of course, but I think the meaning is clear.
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 08: 22 New
      11
      Quote: Dead Day
      true OTRK range

      Rather, the true range of the X-101.
      Quote: kuznec
      And this is very difficult, there are your computers, and your special software, and trained calculations and commanders. This time.

      Gerasimov said a new department has appeared in his establishment. Actually, nothing but this is said.
    3. venik
      venik 8 November 2017 08: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Dead Day
      capable of using missiles at ranges up to 4000 kilometers.
      belay is the true range of the OTRK and the "caliber"? or sho?

      ==========
      "Or sho" !! This is the X-101 range in the "conventional" (non-nuclear) version ..... Although I think, if necessary, the Iskander can also be converted to missiles of a "longer" range .....
      1. drunkram
        drunkram 8 November 2017 14: 33 New
        +8
        X-101 does not happen in a nuclear version, and in a nuclear one it would fly like a similar X-102 with a nuclear b / h, about 1000 km more. Not only the Iskander, with minimal modifications, the coastal bastion complex can theoretically shoot Caliber family missiles, and the Onyx range will obviously be in reality bigger than that allowed by the INF Treaty and approximately equal to 800-900 km and despite being an anti-ship missile, can ground targets as demonstrated in Syria.
        And do not forget about the possible return and the beginning of production in the event of a conflict of any Soviet infantry and infantry ballistic missiles, for example the same S-10 Grenade and do not forget about container clubs
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 15: 28 New
          +4
          Quote: drunkram
          do not forget about the possible return and start of production in case of conflict

          In case of conflict there will be no time for production. And even long before the conflict there will be no time for production.
          1. myobius59
            myobius59 8 November 2017 18: 58 New
            +5
            That's it. Many do not understand this. Well, they say, if something happens ...
            There will be no such case now. This is not the 41st, when the Germans could not reach the Urals.
            1. Sasha71
              Sasha71 8 November 2017 20: 07 New
              +1
              You miss that the counteraction to any aggression will be in power incomparable to that which (with the betrayal and sabotage of the general) was in the 41st. Calculation for a new plan “Barbarossa” unsteady. Or has the potential grown for everyone except Russia? lol
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 12 November 2017 02: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: myobius59
              This is not the 41st when the Germans could not reach the Urals

              what what what right now and even more so no one will fly to the Urals !!! fool fool fool laughing laughing
    4. zulusuluz
      zulusuluz 8 November 2017 09: 45 New
      +6
      This is the true range of the Iskander if its sensors detect water under all wheels. (In order not to violate the INF Treaty).
    5. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 8 November 2017 13: 24 New
      +1
      I think X-101
    6. opus
      opus 8 November 2017 15: 23 New
      13
      Quote: Dead Day
      Is this the true range of the OTRK and the "caliber"?

      no.
      This is for aerial platforms.
      Quote: Dead Day
      or sho?

      or sho
      Quote: personally from the Chief of General Staff
      As a result, the number of land, sea and air-based carriers increased by more than 12 times, and high-precision cruise missiles - more than 30 times

      there was a 2 carrier on PM-14, it became the 24 unit.
      cool.
      12 times?
      Everything is correct in 12 times.
      there were 5 pieces X-101 on the balance, it became 150 pieces.
      30 times?
      Everything is correct in 30 times.
      / numbers of conventions /
      ===================
      Baklava?
      Yes.
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 8 November 2017 19: 03 New
        +8
        Anton, welcome hi Cool with the calculations. good I have only one question - the starting point where?
        / numbers of conventions /
        Maybe still more? wink
        1. opus
          opus 8 November 2017 21: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Svarog51
          Maybe still more?

          prvt.
          Yes, I took it from the ceiling /
          just to show the absurdity of the statements
          "As a result, the number of land, sea and airborne carriers has increased more than 12 times, and high-precision cruise missiles - more than 30 times".


          Quote: Svarog51
          I have only one question - the starting point where?

          This question must be asked to those (those) who sing about 12 times and 30 times

          Maybe this one?
          h in 2011, planned purchases 20 CBDB airborne.

          2015 pulted 3 16 times
          2017 pulted 2 4 times
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 9 November 2017 00: 31 New
            +4
            Yeah, okay. I’m still thinking about something. This entire arsenal has a certain shelf life. After it, either for consumption or for disposal. The cost of production and storage is very high. Perhaps this factor is taken into account?
        2. leonid-zherebtcov
          leonid-zherebtcov 10 November 2017 16: 09 New
          0
          That's right ..., each "philosopher" has their own "shields", but the fact, I think all the same, is specific information ...
    7. Alex777
      Alex777 8 November 2017 19: 18 New
      +2
      X-101 was added. Shtob was worse.
      50 Tu-160 will be built after all? bully
    8. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 9 November 2017 09: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Dead Day
      Yesterday, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation announced the creation in Russia of a full-fledged group of carriers of high-precision weapons capable of using missiles at ranges up to 4000 kilometers.
      belay Is this the true range of the OTRK and the "caliber"? or sho? what

      X-101.
    9. Vladislav_2
      Vladislav_2 10 November 2017 05: 55 New
      0
      If you upload to the Sevastopol ferry and turn the key, the restrictive bolt installed under the INF agreement :)
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 November 2017 06: 56 New
    18
    Come bourgeois, poke an eye out!
    I’ll stick out the eye, the other will remain,
    What would the guno know
    To whom to bow!

    we got a new format of military relations with our neighbors
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 11: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Come bourgeois

      According to data for 2015, the US population is 330 million people, the number of trunks on hand is 350 million. In some states, heavy weapons are allowed up to and including howitzers in civilian possession.
      Just for reference.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 8 November 2017 13: 14 New
        26
        And will they all come to us with their weapons? wassat
        Kujyzh to bury them ....
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 8 November 2017 16: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Mestny
          And will they all come to us with their weapons? wassat
          Kujyzh to bury them ....


          Yes, they have two hooks on their sides repeat
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 10 November 2017 12: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Mestny
          Kujyzh to bury them ....

          There is a place for them in the fields of Russia
          Among the coffins not alien to them ...
        3. faridg7
          faridg7 10 November 2017 16: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Mestny
          And will they all come to us with their weapons? wassat
          Kujyzh to bury them ....

          So they are burned, we will heat boiler rooms
        4. passerby5
          passerby5 6 January 2018 10: 10 New
          0
          and we are captured. how many construction sites are planned)))
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 November 2017 13: 33 New
        +9
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        trunks on hand - 350 million

        Will “Poplar” and “Governor” be shot down? angry
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 15: 35 New
          10
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And will they all come to us with their weapons?

          From Miami to Omsk? Have you been to Omsk?
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Poplars "and" Governor "will be shot down?

          And these things fly only one way? And people who with a button, according to their grandchildren, will definitely launch them?
          1. Uryukc
            Uryukc 8 November 2017 18: 22 New
            +6
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            And people who with a button, according to their grandchildren, will definitely launch them?

            Tell me a flag next to the nickname, only matches the IP or also with the place of residence?
            And then, long ago, top officials of the Russian Federation were forbidden to send their offspring for cardon, a family in Russia is one of the conditions for career growth. And I need investigations of "jellyfish", "bulk", foreign magazines, they cost nothing.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 20: 33 New
              +5
              Quote: Uryukc
              And then, for a long time already top officials of the Russian Federation were forbidden to send their offspring for cardon

              1. Oh, and someone even in such did you believe?
              2. "Prohibited." It will not be difficult to find the number and date of this document of the era?
              1. Uryukc
                Uryukc 8 November 2017 20: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                It will not be difficult to find the number and date of this document of the era?

                It will be difficult. I have already seen on TV.
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Oh, and did someone even believe that?

                Quote: Cherry Nine
                And people who with a button, according to their grandchildren, will definitely launch them?

                Take the risk of health checking?
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 22: 43 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Uryukc
                  It will be difficult. I have already seen on TV.

                  Are you banned in Google? I will help.
                  Conversations on this topic pop up regularly. Here six months ago, for example
                  The State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption recommended that the lower house of parliament reject a bill prohibiting officials and employees of state enterprises from sending children to study abroad. It is reported by RIA Novosti on Thursday, 13 April.

                  Quote: Uryukc
                  Take the risk of health checking?

                  I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.

                  From the movie Patton, 1970 Year.
                  1. Uryukc
                    Uryukc 9 November 2017 02: 12 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.

                    This is all Americans. As I understand it, you live in Europe; for you this "quote" is especially relevant.
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    I will help.

                    Really did not find the law of the project, there is reason to doubt the determination of the leadership. I hope top officials at least have the brains not to settle a family in the United States. Surely there is even an unspoken rule, because the risks are too obvious.
                    BUT suppose it happened worse and the USA, having delivered a preemptive strike, destroyed any hope of resistance in the Russian Federation, because vast territories are infected, there are no more cities of millionaires, as well as housekeepers, infrastructure.
                    But the weapons will not go anywhere, and we will have nothing more to lose. In such circumstances, I think we will go to Europe to visit you, we will condense the population with American litter, so angry that all Western tales about the bloody Mordor will turn into a "civilized" and cozy. And in such circumstances, would it be surprising if Russian terror revives, in its nuclear and biological designs? And he will be reborn in the USA. In the last war, overseas creatures will not be able to sit out, and little will not seem to anyone.
                    Due to the danger of the development of similar processes in other nuclear powers, no one wants to contact them. And even Hegemon, cannot tame the obstinate North Korea.
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 9 November 2017 02: 35 New
                      0
                      Quote: Uryukc
                      As I understand it, you live in Europe; for you this "quote" is especially relevant.

                      Yeah. By the way, the Germans were originally meant. Although from your point of view, it is true for citizens of the USSR, it seems.
                      Quote: Uryukc
                      and the USA delivering a preemptive strike destroyed any hope of resistance in the Russian Federation

                      Hmm, why? Does the RF really hinder someone?
                      Quote: Uryukc
                      I think we will go to Europe to visit you

                      Do you think it will be possible to break through under the guise of war victims, like the Arabs? Unfortunately, the Arabs pissed all the raspberries, the doors closed.
                      1. Uryukc
                        Uryukc 9 November 2017 02: 44 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        break through under the guise of war victims,

                        More carefully please
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        But the weapons will not go anywhere, and we will have nothing more to lose.

                        My people have never been a victim)) and those who think so are mistaken.
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Does the RF really hinder someone?

                        Judging by the Western media of the Russian Federation, the main problem of this planet. Judging by the actions of Hegemon, we interfere with him.
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 9 November 2017 08: 25 New
                        0
                        Quote: Uryukc
                        My people have never been a victim

                        Sorry for the national question, are you Vainakh? But even if so, then you, unfortunately, are mistaken.
                        Quote: Uryukc
                        Judging by the Western media of the Russian Federation, the main problem of this planet

                        The main problem of the planet according to the progressive part of the Western media is, of course, D. Trump. The fact that he slept on tricks with the Russians is a secondary detail. He would have slept on a youngster, like Signor Berlusconi or Spacey - CNN with NYT would have wet pedophiles.
                        Quote: Uryukc
                        Judging by the actions of Hegemon, we interfere with him.

                        In the United States, there is now a war between the heads of the Serpent Gorynych. Europeans have been building the hippie commune for 70 years. The current Russian Federation annoys both those and others, mainly because it crawls into its own affairs.
                        Google to help

                        He writes that there are no official statements about this missile. Even worse, such a range is a sign of a high-altitude missile with a ballistic trajectory. Forget about AWACS - it won’t happen.
                  2. Barmal
                    Barmal 13 November 2017 19: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Quote: Uryukc
                    It will be difficult. I have already seen on TV.

                    Are you banned in Google? I will help.
                    Conversations on this topic pop up regularly. Here six months ago, for example
                    The State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption recommended that the lower house of parliament reject a bill prohibiting officials and employees of state enterprises from sending children to study abroad. It is reported by RIA Novosti on Thursday, 13 April.

                    Quote: Uryukc
                    Take the risk of health checking?

                    I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.

                    From the movie Patton, 1970 Year.


                    Translation:
                    I want you to remember that not a single bastard has ever won a war, dying for his country. He won, forcing another poor, stupid bastard to die for his country.
                    This is a quotation about what kind of observers were there? And, actually, who won the WWII? Patton with his bastards called him? Darago, go through the woods with your Pattonian bastards and with the children of the Russian liberal clan living on the unsinkable continent of North America.
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 13 November 2017 21: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: Barmal
                      And, actually, who won the WWII?

                      No one, of course. The neutrals are more or less at their own. Of the participants, the United States won a lot and lost a lot. The rest just lost. What’s the question?
                      Quote: Barmal
                      This is a quote about what kind of observers were there?

                      Patton is a simple man. He spoke only about the Germans. Although the real Patton did not say that at all.
            2. passerby5
              passerby5 6 January 2018 10: 13 New
              0
              Well, it’s kind of like the fact that the Peskov’s offspring are there. Or one, well, that everything in the instagram writes to everybody, like, to live in Russia west .... and you say banned.
      3. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 10 November 2017 12: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        According to data for 2015, the US population is 330 million people, the number of trunks on hand is 350 million. In some states, heavy weapons are allowed up to and including howitzers in civilian possession.
        Just for reference.

        So what? Compared to Switzerland - kindergarten ....
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 10 November 2017 18: 39 New
          0
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          Compared to Switzerland - kindergarten ....

          If you look purely at the number of trunks on the nose - in Switzerland less than half. Another thing is that in Switzerland, users are noticeably better trained.
      4. Muammar
        Muammar 10 November 2017 20: 22 New
        +1
        350 million trunks is their big problem, and nobody else, if these trunks start shooting, then you can forget about the United States forever.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 10 November 2017 22: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Muammar
          350 million trunks is their big problem

          The number of killings per 100 thousand people, according to the UN, 2011.
          Hong Kong 0,2, Japan, Singapore 0,3, Norway, Austria (the best in continental Europe) 0,6.
          Switzerland (many weapons) - 0,7
          France. Great Britain (no weapons) 1,1, 1,2, respectively.
          Canada 1,6
          Israel (all polls with trunks + Arabs) 2,1
          Ukraine - 4,3
          USA - 4,6
          It's a lot. In Europe, it is 2-3 times lower, worse only in Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia (in ascending order). Moreover, in other countries of the Anglo-Saxon culture - Canada, Australia, N.Zelandia - the level is very low, from 0,9 to 1,6.
          .
          Russia - 9,2
          Costa Rica (army prohibited by constitution) - 10,0
          Greenland 19,2
          Puerto Rico (American South Ossetia) - 26,2
          Jamaica - 52,2
          El Salvador - 104,2

          The problem is not weapons, you know.
  4. MadCat
    MadCat 8 November 2017 07: 20 New
    +8
    And what's new here? learned to hit the goals?
    PS I have a carriage of bonnets for the parade here, enthusiastic tossers, where to unload? Bonus caps with earflaps laughing
    1. venik
      venik 8 November 2017 08: 56 New
      17
      Quote: MadCat
      And what's new here? learned to hit the goals?
      PS I have a carriage of bonnets for the parade here, enthusiastic tossers, where to unload? Bonus caps with earflaps laughing

      ========
      Well if you take "a crowd of 100 boys", put on their uniforms, boots (or berets), stick them in your hands, you will get ....... No, not a motorized rifle company, but"A crowd of 100 boys with but! In uniform and with assault rifles "..... They will become a company if and only when they are trained, soldered by discipline, clearly know their place and tasks in battle, and they will have commanders clearly aware of their tasks and responsibilities .....
      If you do not understand such a simple truth, then explain the meaning of the article to you just useless........
    2. serriy
      serriy 8 November 2017 10: 04 New
      +2
      The Americans fired more than 80 cruise missiles at one (!) Syrian airfield, more than 20 (!!!) flew, exploded where necessary. The Syrians quickly brought the airfield into working condition.
      This is to whether this non-nuclear system can be just strategic.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 8 November 2017 10: 54 New
        0
        But it's the Americans ...
      2. domokl
        8 November 2017 11: 17 New
        +7
        Quote: serriy
        The Americans fired over one (!) Syrian airfield over 80 cruise missiles

        Hmm ... intelligence OBS? As I understand. Have you ever watched American sources about the use of Russian cruise missiles? More precisely about the results? I strongly advise ... And what you write about, to put it mildly ... You can’t write here with obscenities. Only one rocket hit the taxiing! one! finger rest in the ass. Hangars with 21 Migami beat ...
        It is clear that for you the message of the Russian Defense Ministry is fake. Therefore, I refer to the American sites ...
        1. Blind sentinel
          Blind sentinel 8 November 2017 14: 29 New
          +2
          to which they reported that taxiing was not among the targets for the strike
          1. your1970
            your1970 8 November 2017 17: 06 New
            0
            and? means STILL less (at least one) hit the target?
        2. serriy
          serriy 8 November 2017 17: 58 New
          +1
          The venerable domokl, no tips needed. Excited, you know our, - "a finger in the ass")))
          You have to be more careful. What is it about - Can this non-nuclear system be called strategic?.
      3. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 8 November 2017 16: 10 New
        0
        Quote: serriy
        The Americans fired more than 80 cruise missiles at one (!) Syrian airfield, more than 20 (!!!) flew, exploded where necessary. The Syrians quickly brought the airfield into working condition.
        This is to whether this non-nuclear system can be just strategic.


        And how many total did our Caliber release? how quickly did the barmalei recover there? winked
  5. parma
    parma 8 November 2017 07: 20 New
    +5
    It's all great, but there are no real numbers (in the sense of a piece), hence the skepticism .... An increase in 12 and 30 since it is just great, but in pieces how much? For 12 pieces are indeed more 1 12 times, but these are 12 pieces! I’d just say the 100-200-1000 missiles are there and then everything is clear .... And it’s difficult to call missiles with conventional non-nuclear warheads .. How many missiles are needed to deactivate the plant / airfield / HF out of operation, even not the biggest? Consider the example of my Yekaterinburg, we have a factory UMEKON (this is not advertising, just it is not far) - a small factory of metal structures, takes about a quarter 2x2, how much do you need for it? 4-5 rockets? and in Yekaterinburg there are a dozen of such plants! And in the Sverdlovsk region? And in the country? And these are just plants! These missiles need THOUSANDS to be a real holding shield! Well, in the event of a war, we will level up the missile with Poland, and there are still a lot of countries in NATO .. ​​But there is still a missile defense (even if the Patriot can only be brought down in 10% of cases) ... Too in general this is all optimistic , the next URYa shout to a beautiful date as for me, rather like a shield except for events like 08.08.08, and then the brigade / division’s attack will not be answered by hammering into the Stone Age ...
    1. kuznec
      kuznec 8 November 2017 07: 35 New
      10
      "The governing bodies and special units have been formed that plan the use of high-precision long-range weapons and prepare flight missions for cruise missiles of all types of basing." And this is very difficult, there are your computers, and your special software, and trained calculations and commanders. This time.
      The missiles are riveted in series, so production is cheaper. Do as much as necessary. These are two.
      Special warhead has not been canceled. These are three.
      1. parma
        parma 8 November 2017 07: 52 New
        +9
        The controls are great and happy, I wrote above! this time
        We have a lot of production equipment, but how much can not be done, no money (no money, but do you hold on to hear?)! These are two
        And with Special Warheads this is a NUCLEAR SHIELD, and here they’re fooling us about NON-NUCLEAR! These are three
        Yesterday there was an article about Sev. Korea and their ballistic missiles that they are effective and without WMD, showing on the example of the Hussites, APU and so on. Yes, ballistic missiles are effective in a certain situation and without specials. Warhead, but only SOMETIMES and only at a tactical level! Look at Syria, how many same Caliber released in 2 years? And the bearded are still fighting! Or have the Hussites already kicked the Saudis out of their country? And how many axes flew to Iraq in 1991 and in 2003? THOUSANDS are needed, otherwise it is one of the elements of the Armed Forces, and not a shield ...
        1. zulusuluz
          zulusuluz 8 November 2017 09: 48 New
          +4
          To incapacitate a person, it is enough to injure the leg. So the "dozens of factories" will be without electricity, water and sanitation. Or workers will not go to work without food.
        2. kuznec
          kuznec 8 November 2017 11: 08 New
          +6
          That’s why the “strategic” deterrence is that without the “smart” target designation, guidance (laying the route) and the distribution of missiles for the most important goals - this will be exactly what you wrote about. In order to destroy a modern enterprise, one does not have to beat “over the areas” - it is enough to disable, for example, a computer (control) center. And in order to disable the Krasnoyarsk aluminum, Krastsvetmet, Krasmash and in general all the enterprises of the Krasnoyarsk agglomeration, a hydroelectric power station is enough. And not necessarily a dam, which, they say, nuclear weapons can withstand, but, for example, a couple of substations nearby or two power transmission towers on different banks of the Yenisei.
          Special warhead is not a strategic nuclear forces, not a charge of 100 megatons, but, for example, a tactical charge of 2 kilotons.
          1. your1970
            your1970 8 November 2017 17: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: kuznec
            And in order to disable the Krasnoyarsk aluminum, Krastsvetmet, Krasmash and in general all the enterprises of the Krasnoyarsk agglomeration, a hydroelectric power station is enough. And not necessarily a dam, which, they say, nuclear weapons can withstand, but, for example, a couple of substations nearby or two power transmission towers on different banks of the Yenisei.
            - Disappointed only 2 (two !!) supports at one time violated the supply of electricity to the Crimea. A blow to transformers / substations / large power lines will cause much more technically difficult to eliminate the consequences. Moreover, as a result of disconnecting them, a sharp increase in power in the networks can occur - which can lead to an energy collapse of the whole country (stupidly cut off everything and everything).
            A blow to water sources is also not enough fun for million-plus cities.

            Such a strike, for example, in Germany may turn out to be (in connection with a high concentration of objects and small areas of the country) - no less powerful than a strike from nuclear weapons (but with much smaller civilian casualties).
            The main goal is to choose the right ones, which will now be done by the new departments ...
            1. Pavel Koltunov
              Pavel Koltunov 13 November 2017 12: 11 New
              0
              Exactly. And why the heck these 12 ... 30 times the increase! Nothing at all. Absolutely. And in general, why blow up, bomb, shoot down, crave, fuck, when you can - "a bale on the dark." Oh, what is it with you ...)))
              No, brothers. Armies are not needed; they become useless. Then, when the proletarians are sitting at the computers.
      2. domokl
        8 November 2017 12: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: kuznec
        Specialist BC has not been canceled.

        fool We are peaceful people, but our armored train is on the siding ... drinks
    2. venik
      venik 8 November 2017 09: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: parma
      there are no real numbers (in the sense of pieces), hence skepticism .... An increase of 12 and 30 times is just great, but how much is it in pieces?

      ==========
      And you, excuse me, that "shpien" ?? What kind of intelligence are you working on, my friend ???
      PS Oh, this "democracy", "freedom of speech (and religion) spoiled the people wink ) ". Slightly that - Immediately classified information give them !!!
      1. parma
        parma 8 November 2017 09: 59 New
        +1
        But the wounded man cannot shoot back, direct artillery and planes, press the start button? Not a good example.
        Regarding energy supply, let me disagree. Remember WWII and carpet bombing of Germany, only somehow it didn’t paralyze the enterprises, or Leningrad and Stalingrad, there the factories worked under direct fire, and the power engineer himself was educated.
        And as for the spy, it’s not a spy, such data seems to be published openly, basing places, etc., it’s a military secret, but the quantity seems to be not really .... Yes and it’s not necessary to give exact numbers, it’s enough to say how many units / ships rearm ...
        1. domokl
          8 November 2017 11: 24 New
          +7
          Quote: parma
          And it is not necessary to give exact figures, suffice it to say how many units / ships were re-armed ...

          What do you think, if the Chief of General Staff is voiced in this version, he knows what a military secret is? Or from myself stupidly sculpts info?
        2. your1970
          your1970 8 November 2017 17: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: parma
          Remember WWII and carpet bombing of Germany, only somehow it didn’t paralyze the enterprises, or Leningrad and Stalingrad, there the factories worked under direct fire, and the power engineer himself was educated.
          - the amount of energy required to produce a unit of military equipment has increased hundreds of times. I hope you will not argue - that the complexity of the production of the most complex military apparatus of the Great Patriotic War such as T-34 / LA-5 is BELOW - than the complexity of the production of even ATGM / MANPADS banal (which is a one-time thing in a war).
          Carpet bombing of Germany by the Allies was carried out anywhere - just not at the factories. Who will destroy their property ???
    3. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 8 November 2017 11: 20 New
      +4
      Why flatten Poland or the steel plant in Yekaterinburg?
      But to disable the missile defense control center, launchers, air defense, fuel depots, the most important thermal power plants and transformer substations ... after this, the metalwork factory itself will be without raw materials and electricity. Is it really necessary to explain common truths?
      Decontamination is not the same as total annihilation.
      1. parma
        parma 8 November 2017 11: 52 New
        +2
        As for the chief of staff, what was ordered, he said, didn’t you hear about propaganda? How many generals / ministers and other bosses do we have there for about 6 years talking about the PAK FA, that he is about to go into the series?
        And as for energy, I already wrote, everything is not so simple there. The system that exists with us now, and the whole world knows how to redistribute very well! It is not enough to disable the substation, because there are relatively autonomous sources, and switching too. This can temporarily stop its operation, lead to a decrease in efficiency and many other things, but not to a complete stop! Unfortunately, to stop the plant there is nothing better than destroying the machine! Okay, the bombing of Germany during WWII, we can assume that the Allies wanted to drag out the war, remember our country-factories were evacuated to the Urals, to Siberia, where at that time there was no infrastructure for hundreds of new plants, but it was quickly established almost in the open ! Communication (and especially the power grid) is not too difficult to pull. You can bomb power lines, gas pipelines, etc., but it can be quickly restored, it would be a desire, and much easier than harming them ..
        1. domokl
          8 November 2017 12: 19 New
          +4
          Quote: parma
          As for the chief of staff, they were told, he said, they did not hear about propaganda

          Then there are really no questions for you. The right way go comrades! I won’t even argue ... Although Pinocchio won with the same head he achieved something in this life .. His own puppet theater opened ... It didn’t look like figli-migli ...
        2. kuznec
          kuznec 8 November 2017 12: 58 New
          +4
          Do you know what will happen to a power plant if the load is disconnected from it, all the more so and emergency?
          1. opus
            opus 8 November 2017 17: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: kuznec
            Do you know what will happen to the power plant if the load is disconnected from it

            Neither of which (if it is not a nuclear power plant).
            There certainly is not so simple, as in my household emergency generator:
            Which works both with the load and without.
            =========================
            On the pinch, you can even turn off the generator. Also emergency
    4. mac789
      mac789 8 November 2017 12: 51 New
      0
      Well, these missiles are not for factories, but for headquarters, communications centers, air defense systems. A kind of a welcome window to the enemy generals.
    5. rbt
      rbt 8 November 2017 17: 46 New
      +4
      ... oh, and I’ll put my 2 penny in it ... screaming is still more useful than the seemingly eternal liberal whining of the 90s, they say ... where are you scoops and bast shoes opposite to America itself ...
      Yes, and we’re screaming, then we have two times ... for today, dizziness is still far from success ... So let’s drink to cybernetics ...
    6. Yngvar
      Yngvar 10 November 2017 08: 06 New
      0
      One "Caliber" is enough for the failure of the parent enterprises of power supply, water supply to stop any plant for a long time! A 220kV or 110kV substation is destroyed under the “right” circumstances by two 200 gram TNT blocks (transformers or relay protection and automation systems) for several days or even weeks! At "Caliber" I guess the stock of explosives is much larger ...
    7. passerby5
      passerby5 6 January 2018 10: 46 New
      0
      what kind of thing do you want, piece by piece, then storage, duty, codes, goals)))) in general, they are needed to destroy command posts, centers or headquarters there, we can store weapons of mass destruction. but not how not to bullet factories. from what times it has been known: we take bridges, telegraph mail .... the rest is gradual
  6. dog breeder
    dog breeder 8 November 2017 07: 30 New
    +5
    You can, of course, going into details, discuss this or that from all sides, but it is good that Russia has not lost its progress in improving its defense. But we don’t know much. Someone will say that 4000 kilometers is far from defending their borders, however, what our "partners" will know about "far retaliation" is the defense of our borders.
  7. sania5791
    sania5791 8 November 2017 07: 41 New
    0
    Well, well, another flight, you need some money
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 8 November 2017 07: 55 New
      18
      Quote: sania5791
      Well, well, another flight, you need some money

      Reminded:
      - Ivanov, and when you look at a brick - what are you thinking about?
      - About the women, tashstarshina!
      -?
      - And I always think about them!
  8. shinobi
    shinobi 8 November 2017 07: 44 New
    +3
    As I understand it, this is our "Answer to Chamberlain"? Like, were you frightening us with an exit from the RMND? Well, don’t be offended now! We can beat the old woman and from beyond the Urals if that!
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 08: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: shinobi
      We can beat the old woman and from beyond the Urals if that!

      From NATO to the Kremlin - 700 km, EMNIP. From Sumy region - 450.
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        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 10: 05 New
          0
          Nothing is going to. Until the Americans went there in real life, and not just on Russian TV.

          However, they will not stop by. About NATO, I was wrong. From the border to Red Square 621 km, and by car, and not in a straight line. It’s easier to creatively approach the INF Treaty than to get into Ukrainian graters.
      2. Whaler
        Whaler 8 November 2017 17: 23 New
        +1
        to Bank Kukuev less than 200x)) "Zircon" 2 minutes
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 20: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Whaler
          Zircon 2 minutes

          Oh, does he exist? Adopted?
          Quote: Whaler
          to Bank Kukuev less than 200x

          From the Bryansk region. RCCs fly there rarely. From Sevastopol almost 700.
          To Latvia in a straight line - 587. If you betray the Old Man - there will be exactly 400.
      3. passerby5
        passerby5 6 January 2018 11: 12 New
        0
        and back so much the same)))
  9. ZVO
    ZVO 8 November 2017 08: 23 New
    +1
    "Formed controls and special units that plan the use of high-precision long-range weapons and the preparation of flight missions of all types of cruise missiles".


    Plin.
    Those. The history of our cruise missiles, which require the creation of a flight mission, has been around for 40 years.
    And who previously did this then?
    None?
    Those. rockets did - but didn’t do the "application"?

    And that says the chief of the General Staff ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2017 08: 44 New
      +6
      Previously, there was no need to urgently prepare flight missions for massive strikes on unplanned targets.

      You understand that there is a huge difference between catering establishments, one of which prepares dumplings for freezing, and the other has to prepare dinner for a hundred people in 10 minutes?
      1. Kibb
        Kibb 8 November 2017 11: 45 New
        +5
        Do you personally think that VO has slipped to the level of a newspaper?
        1. Savignon
          Savignon 8 November 2017 14: 58 New
          +1
          Right now, shkolota will have New Year holidays and VO will slide even lower. laughing
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 15: 46 New
            0
            It's just the holidays now. But not in all schools.
      2. ZVO
        ZVO 8 November 2017 20: 18 New
        0
        Quote: Spade

        You understand that there is a huge difference between catering establishments, one of which prepares dumplings for freezing, and the other has to prepare dinner for a hundred people in 10 minutes?


        I do not agree with this statement of the variation of the answer.
        The system itself and the concept of using the RC and preparing flight missions for it - initially had to be universal, multifactorial, and standardized.
        She should have been no matter where and from where to send missiles and how to formulate a flight mission.
        You need to take satellite mapping - and process it. According to the inherent algorithms for determining reference points, taking into account the terrain, the location of posts belonging to air defense, etc.
        And no matter where to "bullet", in fact, that of Durban, Sydney. Osaka, Dallas, Islamabad, etc.
        And this is not the destiny of the "elect" - this is a stupid action. Dumb miscalculation.
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 November 2017 08: 57 New
    +5
    How can such a non-nuclear weapon be strategic if even thousands of missiles cannot be fired in one salvo? Still, they saw the use of these "Caliber" in Syria --- there was a house and no house, but for a strategic one this is not enough to deter NATO. For some This will be enough for a small hostile country with weak opposition and no answer, it will be a strategic factor for them. However, I can be glad that they are engaged in this business, they created a department. This is right, because it is a very promising business. You just need to build up a volley.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2017 09: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      even if thousands of missiles in one salvo fail?

      But why?
      How much does it take for a “warning strike” on the same Ukraine or Georgia? As for me, a dozen are enough. In order to realize.
      And on the enemy, for which thousands are needed, more serious things will be used. In the form of all three components of the "nuclear triad"
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 8 November 2017 09: 43 New
        +1
        Actually, I also think that this is for the spite of especially violently violent dwarfs, I also wanted to write specifically about Ukraine, but then changed my mind. I do not want to escalate, because.
        one gets the impression that they can soon climb to Novorossia again, right before our elections they can start a major operation there.
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        .For some small hostile country with weak opposition and lack of response this will be enough, for them it will be a strategic factor.
    2. Uryukc
      Uryukc 8 November 2017 10: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      How such a non-nuclear weapon can be strategic

      Yes, like this, conducting a strategic bombardment, strategic weapons do not have to lead to the destruction of civilization.
      - Some missiles will demolish the railway bridges paralyzing the railway supply,
      - a power station will be struck by a friend, incapacitating the power grids of entire countries, and if you can gasp at a hydroelectric power station and wash away cities,
      - the third will fly onto the runways, there are not so many of them at the airdrome, it’s enough to damage them before the enemy aviation takes off, the VKS will fly after ... it takes everything that’s left,
      - rockets with high-explosive incendiary will land in large warehouses depriving the enemy of stocks,
      - control points and over-the-radar radars will be hit.
      And for all this, thousands of missiles are not needed at all, although the more the better of course.
      1. parma
        parma 8 November 2017 11: 01 New
        0
        You probably only saw rocket attacks in American films and computer games (although I do too), and you don’t really know how the world works.
        Firstly, the blow will not be dealt unexpectedly, so it clicked on the PVV or someone else in the head and the missiles flew, no. The voltage will increase gradually, although it is possible quickly! So the enemy at the time of the strike will be in a state of alert, disperse aircraft, armored vehicles, air defense and missile defense. (And if we take into account our current strategy, then only the RESPONSE will be hit!).
        Secondly, we take energy (it is closer to me by profession) you will find out how much in Russia, for example, thermal power plants / state district power plants and other things (I'm not talking about small boiler houses with gas turbines and the possibility of electricity generation, although they are few because of our legislation, the state does not want to deprive ESO monopolies)? In our country there are about 400 (FOUR-HUNDRED !!!) thermal stations (by the way in the Sverdlovsk region only 14), + hydroelectric power stations + nuclear power plants. Moreover, the building of the boiler-turbine workshop at the CHPP is designed for EXPLOSION OF THE BOILER! And one rocket is not enough! I’m not sure that 10 is enough (given the size of the boiler-turbine workshop, but let it be 10. TE to destroy the main energy system of Russia you need 4000 missiles WITHOUT COUNTERPRESSURE and 100% fault tolerance and with an accurate hit! But even 4000 missiles will not be enough for you to completely destroy the power system! There are also gas turbines (including mobile ones, based on vehicles), small boiler houses, other types of stations (nuclear power plants, HYDRO, SOLAR, WINDS!) ...
        Thirdly: about the blows of axes on the airfield of the Syrian Air Force? How many missiles flew, how many flew, and how badly damaged the base? The atomic charge is good (in the sense of the damaging effect) not only by the shock wave, but by its radioactive contamination, EMP pulse. One blow is enough to if you do not completely level the TPP with the ground, so at least burn out all the electronics, also with airfields .. Do you also know about the protective structures for warehouses / headquarters / hangars?
        For these reasons, strategic missiles without WMD cannot be called a deterrence weapon for a large country, especially an alliance like NATO! A pair of missiles, even with chemical / biological weapons, in the perimeter of any object will be more effective than a dozen hits with a conventional warhead.
        1. domokl
          8 November 2017 11: 45 New
          +6
          Parma, no offense, well, do not write nonsense. "The voltage will increase gradually, although perhaps quickly!" Voltage will increase only among power engineers. strike cruise missiles applied without tension. Just destroyed infrastructure.
          According to your second point, there is one nuance .. and what, other weapons have disappeared? And then, on non-nuclear weapons, from those that are listed, stick a normal warhead like two fingers on asphalt. Moreover, the weapon was originally invented in this version ...
          But most importantly, why do you think that the weapon of deterrence must leave behind the desert? Imagine parts and compounds prepared for a DB that are subject to a serious blow. Can they go on the offensive after such a strike? And what kind of morale will these soldiers have ...
        2. Uryukc
          Uryukc 8 November 2017 11: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: parma
          and you don’t really know how the world works.

          Well then you tell me, now, explain how life works, yes))
          1.
          Quote: parma
          the blow will not be dealt unexpectedly, then clicked at the UIP

          We do not know how the blow will be struck, perhaps even by a click.
          Quote: parma
          disperse aviation, armored vehicles, air defense and missile defense.

          As you do not disperse aviation, there are not so many aerodromes capable of accepting strategic bombers, and we are only interested in those that are suitable for attacking the Russian Federation, and there are not so many bases where nuclear weapons are stored.
          And how to disperse power plants, stationary radars, bridges, warehouses for the millions of tons that I wrote about in a previous post, do not tell me?
          2.
          Quote: parma
          We have about 400 (FOUR-HUNDRED !!!) thermal stations in our country

          In 2003, due to release one US power plants and power grid imperfections 50 million people were left without electricity.
          Quote: parma
          And one rocket is not enough!

          Well, it depends on what kind of rocket, there are high-explosive incendiary rockets that not only destroy the target with the help of an explosion, but also scatter the pyrophoric mixture that continues to burn with a temperature of more than 1000 degrees, igniting even what seems to be unable to burn. As a result, one rocket produces a fire with many fire sources, I think that at the thermal power plant you can find especially interesting targets, gas storages for example. Or it can be a missile with an EMP warhead, I wonder what will happen to the power plant if it crashes over it. In general, if briefly you need to beat in weak places and not "wipe off the face of the earth"
          3. They attacked Shairat, so that they would not be damaged much, the main runway would not be damaged, so this is more a political action than a strategic bombardment. However, the airfield did not work for 36 hours, what do you think will be enough time for the multi-purpose workers to fly and finish the work? Do you understand what value this delay may have at time X?
          4.
          Quote: parma
          WMD cannot be called a deterrence weapon for a large country

          How else can it be, because any modern developed economy has an extremely fragile structure and the more developed it is, the more fragile it is. If necessary, you need to hit these vulnerabilities. Awareness of this threat by partners and should restrain them. They must understand that we can answer not only nuclear weapons, which remains not even the last resort, but an instrument of retaliation.
          1. parma
            parma 8 November 2017 12: 10 New
            0
            A missile strike is delivered during or before the outbreak of hostilities, and is not so simple. And this is already tension (mobilization, pulling troops to the border, etc.). I understand that installing special warheads is not a problem, but if the article proposes to write off our nuclear weapons in the list of retaliation weapons (i.e., die, since we don’t have life), and conventional missiles as a holding shield, we don’t take nuclear forces into account . The war of attrition cannot be won without superiority in the economy, which means without destroying the alien industry, hence the desert (or rather, the ruins from industrial enterprises). And as for houses without electricity, did I say somewhere that in cases of war and the defeat of the power grid, houses will be with light? No, I said that we have a large number of stations, and that it is very difficult to incapacitate the industry (due to industry) due to energy. There will be no light in neighboring houses, but the plants will work. For this reason, this is a shield from very greyhound unfinished people who cannot tie their own shoelaces, and with which there is no war and can not be war with the last soldier and for our future.
            1. Uryukc
              Uryukc 8 November 2017 12: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: parma
              The war of attrition cannot be won without economic superiority

              Tell me, what kind of economic superiority did the Mongols conquer China, who defeated the Persian Empire in Aleksand, and helped the superiority of the United States in the "blue gulf"? But why go so far, the USSR from 1941-1943 alone exported confrontation with all of Europe.
              Quote: parma
              but the factories will work

              It is assumed that the first blow only gives a head start, then aviation will come into effect and the factories will not be able to work.
        3. bk316
          bk316 8 November 2017 11: 58 New
          +8
          not really imagine how the world works.

          No, it’s you can’t imagine how the world works.
          Is it in Syria or in the Russian Federation that you have to hit with thousands of axes (in Syria because the infrastructure is old and already beaten in the Russian Federation because it is huge)
          Have you rode around Europe?
          Well, let's start with energy. It’s not necessary to hammer all generating capacities, remember the blackouts, what is American, what is Moscow? Everything was all right with the generation, it was enough to get out a couple of TP. I am sure that if you correctly strike at power lines and transformer substations in the Rhone Valley, then all nuclear power plants in the central part of the Russian Federation themselves will shut off.

          Now the railway junctions and bridges, the same Austria and Switzerland, railway are built so that there are no duplicate branches (because of the mountains) a few blows and everything fell.

          Then, a few demonstrative blows, in order to cause a panic, everyone rushes at the car, we destroy only payment points (not even the autobahns themselves!) And millions of cars in France, Spain, Switzerland, Austria are in traffic jams.
          All complete chaos.

          Conclusion. You are mistaken, citing the example of the Russian Federation. Europe built a crystal house and to destroy it does not need a nuclear club.
          1. viktorch
            viktorch 8 November 2017 12: 09 New
            0
            all this is true exactly until martial law is introduced, then you can bomb at least until blue in the face.
          2. parma
            parma 8 November 2017 13: 04 New
            0
            In vain you laugh, the Mongols had an advantage! They did not have pronounced economic centers, for the nomads carried their entire economy with them! It was impossible to strike in one place, paralyzing their entire "economy". And in China there were, there were big cities, without which the rest of the country could not oppose anything! And Alexander had a great superiority - look at what the Persians were mainly armed with! The simplest kind of weapons, while each Greek (except for the support units) had lenotrex, helmet, sarissa, shield and sword, was excellently trained. Later, the history of the Persian empire was repeated by the Spaniards (having huge wealth from America, they invested it unsuccessfully and thoughtlessly). The USSR did not receive assistance in Lend-Lease? Especially in 1941 and 1942 this supply did not play a role? Where did high-octane gas come from? Gunpowder and explosives? Machines on which in the 43rd began to make 57-mm guns? Yes, at least look at product launches, at least in tons at least in pieces!
            He traveled to Europe more than once, including his studies. In one thing, you are right, some things (in the same energy sector) that are almost regular in our country, are considered emergency in Germany, you need to stop the station block, but they have a different mentality. And about the chaos, have you heard about martial law? About curfew? And are you so sure that the same thing will not start in Russia? You can cut down the substation, but this will only put the management in front of a choice — using the available bandwidth, either leave the house without light or stop the plants.
            1. Uryukc
              Uryukc 8 November 2017 13: 39 New
              +3
              Quote: parma
              In vain you laugh, the Mongols had an advantage!

              Quote: parma
              A war of attrition cannot be won without excellence in economics

              Yes, but the fact that they carried the economy with them does not make them economically more powerful. Or do you say that Macedonia was economically more powerful than Persia and the Mongols more powerful than China?
              Quote: parma
              The USSR did not receive assistance in Lend-Lease?

              Do you know the share of Lend-Lease in the volume of CA support? He is scanty. In addition, our country paid for it with its resources, it was not a free gift. Or do you think, for example, commercial insurance is a present, and arms purchases from foreigners are support?
              Quote: parma
              You can cut down the substation, but this will only put the management in front of a choice — using the available bandwidth, either leave the house without light or stop the plants.

              Quote: Uryukc
              It is assumed that the first blow only gives a head start, then aviation will come into effect and the factories will not be able to work.

              I already wrote about this, please read my comment before last, otherwise I wrote there for a long time. Through a search on the page you will find the phrase:
              In 2003, due
              Quote: parma
              And are you so sure that the same thing will not start in Russia?

              If we rake the stroke I described, it will certainly begin. It's about parity, NOT about invulnerability.
            2. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 16: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: parma
              USSR did not receive assistance in Lend-Lease

              In vain you remembered about it. Even on much more adult sites, a 20-page flame is on this subject.
              But in short,
              Quote: Uryukc
              But why go so far, the USSR from 1941-1943 alone exported confrontation with all of Europe.

              Lies, of course. Not a single day of the USSR was not one. And especially Europe was not all
              1. your1970
                your1970 8 November 2017 17: 45 New
                +4
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Quote: Uryukc
                But why go so far, the USSR from 1941-1943 alone exported confrontation with all of Europe.
                Lies, of course. Not a single day of the USSR was not one. And especially Europe was not all
                -list of those who fought against the USSR (including the method of manufacturing weapons and equipment)? You yourself find?
                Who didn’t fight there? Switzerland?
                “For Germany’s military production, economic ties with neutral countries were of great importance. Sweden, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal and Turkey continued to systematically supply strategic raw materials, machine tools, equipment, ball bearings, high-quality steel, tools, ferroalloys, cellulose, cars, locomotives, and radio equipment. , optical instruments, ships, armaments and ammunition. In 1942, Sweden, Switzerland and Spain accounted for 50,3 percent of all German imports of iron ore, Sweden accounted for 33,8 percent of lead and 28,2 percent of zinc ore. The total value of tangible assets received from neutral countries for the year exceeded 1,2 billion marks 2. In addition, these states provided Germany with military and commercial transportation services. "- and IT neutrals !!!

                "Every 7th sapper blade was released in Switzerland" ......

                "DH - (Deutsches Heer - German) - German Army. Letters DH produced in Switzerland by military order for Germany during the Second World War. For the Germans, such watches were produced by ARSA (Auguste Reimond), Alpina, Mulco, Titus, Minerva, Record, Zenith, Silvana, Helvetia, Longines, as well as (mixed with German ones): Buren, Doxa, Dogma, Glycine, Mimo, Phenix, Record watch Co., Recta, Para, Leonidas, Revue, Tritona, Wagner, BWC, Grana, Helios, Moeris, Helma, Siegerin, Vogele, Zentra, Laco, Stowa, Wempe, IWC, A. Lange & Sohne, Hanhart, Glashutte. In addition, there were produced watches marked on the dial KM (KM) (Kriegsmarine - German) - the naval forces, RLM (Reichs-Luftfahrt-Ministerium - German) - the air force "- in my opinion too much firms supplying watches to the Germans, not?

                “Many well-known Swiss companies tried not to put their name on the dial, and most of the time they signed products with unknown invented brands. Some companies (for example, Omega) didn’t take a German order at all, and they only produced watches for the British army. In contrast to Omega, factories Longines made chronometers like for the UK (WWW brand) and for Germany (DH brand). "- This is to the question of who Fought - who pretended what fought. How are they through occupied Europe watches in the army of small-shavens dragged, eh?

                such Non-warriors I also had to call to Nuremberg (and not as a guest!)
              2. Uryukc
                Uryukc 8 November 2017 18: 07 New
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                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Not a single day of the USSR was not one.

                Until 43, the Naglichs and other Allies were not interested in anything other than their African colonies. The States during this period only fought with the Japanese.
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                And especially Europe was not all

                Well, it’s clear that I generalize! In principle, his 1970 set out my other arguments.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 22: 09 New
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                  Quote: Uryukc
                  Up to 43 Naglitsy and other Allies

                  Received tanks in July-December 1941.
                  T-34 - 1 886 pcs. HF - 444 pcs. Matilda + Valentine - 466 pcs.
                  Quote: Uryukc
                  your1970

                  Svoy1970, as is characteristic of the patriots, recalled supplies from Switzerland, but forgot the supplies of the USSR to the Reich and Reich to the USSR in 39-41, as well as supplies from the USSR to Japan - until the summer of the 45th year.
                  Quote: your1970
                  In addition, these states provided military and commercial transportation services to Germany. "- AND THIS IS NEUTRAL !!!

                  Yes, they were neutral. Against the backdrop of neutral until December 41, the United States with its deal, destroyers-base, "neutral patrol" and Lend-Lease - just exemplary neutrals.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 8 November 2017 22: 39 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Svoy1970, as is characteristic of the patriots, recalled supplies from Switzerland, but forgot the supplies of the USSR to the Reich and Reich to the USSR in 39-41, as well as supplies from the USSR to Japan - until the summer of the 45th year.
                    - I am embarrassed to recall that until June 22.06.1941, XNUMX we did not participate in the war with Germany, from the word in general.
                    Like England / France during the “strange war” - they played football at the forefront ... It's hard to call it a war ...

                    You didn’t answer - just like a watch from Switzerland came to England - if Switzerland was lined on all sides: either occupied territories or Reich satellites?
                    Maybe it was not there REAL war (which by the way is hinted at by the size of the victims in the allied armies) ???
                    So somehow I don’t imagine technically how it is possible to drag a few cars (at least) with hours through several occupied states, past troops / Gestapo / SS / other, and even to the island ????
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 23: 48 New
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                      Quote: your1970
                      I am embarrassed to recall that until 22.06.1941 we did not participate in the war with Germany, from the word in general.

                      Unlike Daladier, you apparently do not consider the supplies to the Reich in the 40th year of a third of all oil imported by the Reich to the USSR’s participation in the war against France, and the supplies to Japan - to the participation in the war against the United States. In this case, your claims to the neutrals for the same thing in 41-45 are not very clear.
                      Quote: your1970
                      You didn’t answer - just like a watch from Switzerland came to England - if Switzerland was lined on all sides: either occupied territories or Reich satellites?

                      1. Exported to other neutral countries through the Reich / Italy. And what confuses you with this?
                      2. Until November 42, Switzerland had a border with the rep. Vichy, after September 44th - directly with the allies.
                      Quote: your1970
                      Maybe there was no REAL war (which, by the way, is hinted at by the size of the victims in the allied armies) ???

                      To such an extent it was not that Churchill had already written to Roosevelt at the end of the 40th that Britain had gone bankrupt and would not be able to buy weapons under the cache and carry scheme in the 41st year. This was the main reason for pushing the FDL law on LL: it would be better if the American defense industry spins on American money than does not spin at all. On the other hand, 3/4 of 38th German oil imports came from the USA, Venezuela and the Caribbean. Royal Navy fixed this topic.

                      And yes. One Tirpitz LC - 2 thousand T-3 tanks. Even pure in weight.
                      Quote: your1970
                      I somehow don’t imagine technically how it is possible to drag a few cars (at least) with hours through several occupied states, past troops / Gestapo / SS / other, and even to the island ????

                      It is immediately obvious that you did not deal with foreign trade operations. We send the watch to neutral Portugal or Sweden, and then how it goes.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 9 November 2017 08: 20 New
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                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        It is immediately obvious that you did not deal with foreign trade operations.
                        - belay customs officer with 12 years of service .... I just never repeat did not make out goods in trade between countries at war ....

                        According to your technology, they set the watch to other neutrals - and? Even from Sweden, even from Portugal, to the island you still need to swim - and there’s a blockade belay maritime england ...
                        But if this blockade was like that easily overcome for ships of neutral countries with cargo strategic goods - WHERE then war ??? "Nothing personal-business!", huh?
                        Then what are the questions for our supply of oil to the warring Germany with us?
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 9 November 2017 12: 48 New
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                        Quote: your1970
                        and there’s a type of blockade of the sea of ​​England ...

                        Germany blocked Britain?
                        Quote: your1970
                        overcome for ships of neutral countries with a cargo of strategic goods

                        Where did you get this strange idea that there was a blockade at all? From Doenitz?
                        There were loss of tonnage as a result of hostilities. A related deficit in a number of positions. This is not a blockade and close. Here Germany is tightly closed, which rubber was forced to carry on the submarine - yes, the blockade.

                        Quote: your1970
                        Then what are the questions for our supply of oil to the warring Germany with us?

                        Quote: your1970
                        such non-warriors had also to Nuremberg (and not as a guest!)

                        This seems to be your claim, not mine.
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          3. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 15: 52 New
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            Quote: bk316
            Europe built a crystal house

            I understand you correctly, that you offer a little shot at NATO countries And the main trading partner of the Russian Federation And the main trading partner of China? Can I find out why?
            1. Uryukc
              Uryukc 8 November 2017 17: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              You offer a little shoot at NATO countries

              This is a little bit enough for a lot. And we offer - to understand the partners that we can confront them in a conventional war.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 21: 58 New
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                Quote: Uryukc
                This is a little bit enough for a lot.

                Basically, the fact that figures like F. Steinmeier, the German president, who argue that negotiations are possible with Russia, will finally be imprisoned for treason. It is high time!
                As for the Kyrgyz Republic in Germany, the European NATO members have 16 AWACS aircraft. + 17 nationwide.
                1. Uryukc
                  Uryukc 8 November 2017 22: 06 New
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                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Basically, the fact that figures like F. Steinmeier ... are finally sent to treason. It is high time!

                  I understand correctly that in order to save Steinmeier, we have to dismantle all the missiles? We would also have to dissolve the army, so we will show NATO our peacefulness.
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  NATO 16 aircraft AWACS. + 17 nationwide.

                  Ah there DRLO, well, the guys will not work to put the European woman on her knees, we’re diverging.
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 22: 48 New
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                    Quote: Uryukc
                    do we have to take apart all the rockets?

                    No, on the contrary. Urgently need to groan Caliber along the Ruhr. And yet not everyone in Europe understood what they were dealing with.
                    Quote: Uryukc
                    Ah there DRLO, well, the guys can’t get the European girl on her knees

                    Of course. AWACS is specially for the Kyrgyz Republic and invented. Therefore, statements of Gerasimov may be of interest only to countries without AWACS. What bazaar station is about is completely unclear.
                    1. Uryukc
                      Uryukc 9 November 2017 01: 32 New
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                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Urgently need to groan Caliber along the Ruhr.

                      And who wrote that it is necessary to groan? Or are you talking to yourself? I wrote that, among other things, we need missiles to ensure parity in the conventional war.
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Therefore, statements of Gerasimov may be of interest only to countries without AWACS

                      You know, but we have air defense with a range of 400 km. it’s just convenient to plant AWACS from Kaliningrad and we have aviation and much more. But let's not argue about everything in the world.
                      1. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 9 November 2017 02: 23 New
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                        Quote: Uryukc
                        And who wrote that it is necessary to groan?

                        This was suggested by the user bk316, whose post has now been deleted.
                        Quote: Uryukc
                        and we have air defense with a range of 400 km

                        Is it 40H6E or what? You have official information, what is accepted for service? It seems like I’ve heard about 10 years ..
            2. bk316
              bk316 10 November 2017 10: 37 New
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              I understand you correctly that you offer a little shot at NATO countries and the main trading partner of the Russian Federation

              I do not propose to shoot. I say that the General Staff is right and we can cause unacceptable damage to any European country of NATO WITHOUT USING NW.
              And then read our doctrine and understand that for such an application there are much fewer restrictions than for a nuclear strike. THEREFORE, NATO COUNTRIES SHOULD KNOW THAT NOW DO NOT PROVIDE US.
        4. Indifferent
          Indifferent 8 November 2017 17: 05 New
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          Dear author. Your naivety touches me. Now in service with amers are warheads with graphite powder. In the event of an explosion on any power line, the powder adheres to the insulators and shortens this power line. It is very difficult to wash off the powder. So it turns out that your 400 CHP can be disabled by 400 Tomogavkas. It is enough to hammer not through the turbine hall, but through the electrical substation.
        5. ZVO
          ZVO 8 November 2017 20: 35 New
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          Quote: parma

          Secondly, we take energy (it is closer to me by profession) you will find out how much in Russia, for example, thermal power plants / state district power plants and other things (I'm not talking about small boiler houses with gas turbines and the possibility of electricity generation, although they are few because of our legislation, the state does not want to deprive ESO monopolies)? In our country there are about 400 (FOUR-HUNDRED !!!) thermal stations (by the way in the Sverdlovsk Region only 14), + hydroelectric power stations + nuclear power plants. Moreover, the building of the boiler-turbine workshop at the CHPP is designed for EXPLOSION OF THE BOILER! And one rocket is not enough!


          I repeat to you again.
          To remove 10 tanks from the battle, you need to destroy only 1 tanker.
          Is the analogy clear?

          According to your example.
          No need to undermine the boiler of a huge thermal power plant.
          It is only necessary to blow up the chimneys as low as possible - and prevent the boilers from working in the optimum mode required for them.
          If you are a power engineer, you must understand how precise and moody mechanisms are now.
          You can destroy a couple of cooling towers with one blow. Then there will be problems with cooling the water.
          No need to hit the dams of the hydroelectric power station - you need to hit the main transformers. They are very crowded and will be the target for just one rocket.

          No need to destroy the million-plus city - just destroy the water treatment plants (there are only one or two of them in such a city) - and the population will leave the city itself. Destroy the distribution centers of food retail chains (the same 1-2 in the region) - and in 2 days there will be hunger and chaos in the city with anarchy.
          and so on.
          So here. to completely disable a city like Samara, Novosibirsk, Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg - 15-20 missiles of the Caliber, Tomahawk type are enough ... In tactical execution. those. no atomic weapons.
          1. your1970
            your1970 8 November 2017 22: 47 New
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            and people don’t understand, for example, for a loaf of bread a day for a family of three in Moscow - 5 000 (!!!!) tons of bread per day (!!!!) Must be on sale.
            Destroy the bakery with several missiles (substations, warehouses, etc.) - and Moscow itself will beat the whole traffic jams to zero in an attempt to make up for the shortage of bread.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 November 2017 15: 37 New
      +2
      "Nevertheless, they saw the use of these" Caliber "in Syria --- there was a house and there is no house" ///

      And when you make a few video views, it’s clear that hits
      were not in the center of the building, and sometimes near the outer wall, and sometimes at the edge of the building.
      Not all buildings collapsed after being hit.
      QUO - usually not less than 10 m2 And sometimes there were more. Inertia is not enough for
      hits in the center of the target.
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 8 November 2017 18: 00 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        KVO - usually not less than 10 m2 And sometimes there were more

        Yes, I also noticed. Well, there is still much to strive for.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Inertia is not enough for
        hits in the center of the target.

        On calibers also GLONASS.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 November 2017 18: 08 New
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          The Americans have two options for the Tomogawks: regular and simplified.
          The simplified inertial guidance and GPS (also with 10 M QUO).
          And the usual also have an IR camcorder on the GOS. Here is the camera and let them hit
          on the centers of the ceilings of aircraft bunkers with MiGs.
    4. passerby5
      passerby5 6 January 2018 11: 16 New
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      Above, they wrote, five missiles, five substations of 110 kV, and the floor of a large millionaire, life was omanced. or in 2-3 places transib — not even a bridge, it’s easy to destroy the canvas, all 2-3 days to restore .... so think strategic or almost)))
  11. tchoni
    tchoni 8 November 2017 09: 43 New
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    Taki op! -) Fear the adversaries. We are you tapericha that. And Nitsche, that you have a similar system for thirty years exists .... we are a tapercha ogogo .... We, tapercha, have a clone of your "tamahawks". Tremble ....
    1. domokl
      8 November 2017 11: 46 New
      +1
      Here you are on the head of the General Staff a liar? Not?
    2. passerby5
      passerby5 8 November 2017 20: 37 New
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      they told you about the control system. not about availability
  12. viktorch
    viktorch 8 November 2017 10: 42 New
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    "let all our two planes into battle"

    article - burn and thrash
    1. domokl
      8 November 2017 11: 48 New
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      Why two? One on prevention ... And on the second one, the glass pilot got drunk ... I wonder what you wanted to say with your comment? Just for my own development ... In a sense, for my inner growth above myself ...
      1. viktorch
        viktorch 8 November 2017 11: 54 New
        +1
        Well, how to respond to articles in which it is bravuraly described how the chief of the general staff with a stroke of the pen created a new department that will strategically deter someone from there with non-nuclear weapons.
        while nothing is said at all how it will look in reality and not in pieces of paper.
        some kind of crazy numbers are given out - times, and the funniest thing to whom will we hold back?
        it’s not the impression that the pedals have overlaid us with their bases, but we have them.

        can create a death star management department, and an intergalactic strategic planning department?

        ps more trash articles for HE, more heat, more.
        1. In100gram
          In100gram 8 November 2017 13: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: viktorch
          Well, how to respond to articles in which it is bravuraly described how the chief of the general staff with a stroke of the pen created a new department that will strategically deter someone from there with non-nuclear weapons.
          while nothing is said at all how it will look in reality and not in pieces of paper.

          This is already a reality, a fact. And run in Syria. All of these missiles were used there in exactly the context that the NGS spoke about.
          1. viktorch
            viktorch 8 November 2017 13: 39 New
            +1
            are you talking about che?
            how does the bombardment of barmaley relate to strategic deterrence ???
            1. In100gram
              In100gram 8 November 2017 14: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: viktorch
              are you talking about

              I'm talking about the created system run in Syria
              1. viktorch
                viktorch 8 November 2017 17: 53 New
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                ? do not hint what kind of system? structure ? characteristics ?
                1. In100gram
                  In100gram 8 November 2017 17: 56 New
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                  Quote: viktorch
                  do not hint what kind of system? structure ? characteristics ?

                  This is to the NHS, upon request. When the basic characteristics are declassified, then we will find out.
                  1. viktorch
                    viktorch 8 November 2017 21: 33 New
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                    I realized that there was tested expired yogurt growth, and its carpet nest bombing.
                    ps seriously, you don’t know what’s going on in Syria; you don’t need to talk here with a mysterious look about certain systems, it was too late for all sorts of asymmetric answers, and now everything is with your pants down with missile defense
  13. Sergey Shatin
    Sergey Shatin 8 November 2017 11: 42 New
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    GOOD BASE FOR NEGOTIATIONS WITH TRUMP ...
  14. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 8 November 2017 11: 44 New
    +1
    This is good, but only how many high-precision CDs are on alert as a result? 200-300? The United States has several thousand, only with such a quantity it is a "non-nuclear system of strategic deterrence."
    As a result, the number of land, sea and air-based carriers increased by more than 12 times, and high-precision cruise missiles - more than 30 times

    More than 30 times relative to how many? Was 10, became 300?
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 8 November 2017 13: 37 New
      +4
      Well, you can count the famous part. For example, there are 10 Iskander-M brigades that have 360 ​​missiles ready for launch, and another 360 30 minutes after reloading. There are 13 divisions of the Ball and Bastion complexes: the ball has 64 missiles with reload, and the Bastion has 32. These are from 416 to 832 missiles in the volley with reload. Moreover - these are all universal CDs, capable of hitting any targets, both on land and on water. There are also about 420 fighters, each of which is capable of carrying from 2 to 5 CRs of various modifications. In particular, the Su-30SM, of which about 80 units are in the army, can carry up to 3 Onyxes. To this we must add attack helicopters capable of carrying the X-35 and X-31: only Ka-52 of various modifications have already produced more than 100 pieces, 32 of which Ka-32K are capable of carrying 4 X-35 / X-31. The result is a volley of 1000 KR and the next volley of 1000 KR after 30 minutes, approximately.
      The fleet can fire a salvo of 400 missiles, approximately, and long-range and bomber aircraft - up to 1500 missiles.
      1. viktorch
        viktorch 8 November 2017 14: 09 New
        +1
        Americans if you count it will be completely indecent
      2. _Jack_
        _Jack_ 8 November 2017 19: 30 New
        +1
        Now subtract all Balls, Bastions, X-35, X-31 from this number. The range of these missiles does not allow them to be attributed to the "strategic containment system." 100-200 km. what is strategic deterrence? Strategic deterrence includes the Kyrgyz Republic with a range of several thousand km., These include Caliber, Iskander with a stretch (only for Europe), and we have too few of them.
        Russia has created a new non-nuclear system of strategic deterrence

        This implies a guaranteed response anywhere in the world, not 200km. from the launch point.
        1. Tektor
          Tektor 8 November 2017 22: 18 New
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          Every rocket is good for the place: why spend strategic missiles on a target that is 300-400 km from our borders? In addition, the warhead masses of the X-35 and X-31 are 145 and 110 kg, respectively, which allows their special warheads to be equipped with 150 kW or more power. And while the enemy has no means of intercepting these missiles.
          By the way, if you wish, you can add to the list, of the order of 1950, PU launchers from the S-200 complex with a range of about 300 km on the ground: since we have restored them in Syria, we can also supply them in case of shortage. These missiles can be controlled along the entire path of the ground-to-ground, which makes their interception impossible. These PUs the enemy will have to destroy and spend rockets and resources on it, which will be deliberately devastating for him.
          1. _Jack_
            _Jack_ 8 November 2017 22: 39 New
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            What is the point of a "strategic containment system"? The fact that the enemy cannot launch an attack, because guaranteed to receive unacceptable damage in return. The United States, for example, hypothetically, will begin a massive attack with its tomahawks or nuclear weapons, and how will the Balls, Bastions, X-35, X-31, Iskander help in this case? Nothing, because there is no enemy within the range of destruction of these missiles; he attacks from afar. These are tactical missiles; they have nothing to do with the “strategic containment system”. And the article is about this, and not generally about all of our missiles.
  15. Mestny
    Mestny 8 November 2017 13: 19 New
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    Quote: parma
    Consider the example of my Yekaterinburg, we have a UMEKON plant (this is not an advertisement, it's just not far away) - a small factory of metal structures, takes about 2x2 blocks, how much is it needed? 4-5 missiles? and in Yekaterinburg there are dozens of such factories!

    Ideally - one, to strike a power substation. And the plant will stop. And if it falls into the same object in the city of Yekaterinburg (or any other), then Yekaterinburg will stop. And there is also water supply, communication centers, key road junctions. What do you think - how many high-precision missiles are needed to destroy these objects, and how much will your city stop then?
  16. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 8 November 2017 13: 28 New
    +1
    Such articles warm the soul. Russia has created for itself a new high-tech shield, and not a nuclear one ..... I think further our power and weapons (for protection) will only increase.
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  18. alexandrastafiev
    alexandrastafiev 8 November 2017 14: 53 New
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    And officials stole and steal. Of course, two shields are always better than one, even a nuclear one. So the people are sitting behind these shields and counting a penny from paycheck to paycheck. When the leadership begins to think about people. And it can happen like in October 100 years ago. Lenin, by the way, has much to quote on this subject. But who needs this Russian revolt "senseless and merciless" !?
  19. Savignon
    Savignon 8 November 2017 14: 55 New
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    The author of something was overexcited, ate mushrooms, or something. Not a revolution in defense, but an evolutionary stage of development. A revolution is called any recovery from a nonexistent position (resuscitation), where "re" indicates this function of recovery. Animation is animation, and resuscitation is animation from non-existence. Despite its difficult times, our defense industry in the integral never went into a state of non-existence, and even in the dashing nineties it put on combat alert new weapons of the next - evolutionary - generation. That is, the author is clearly not only with the language of the problem.
    The indicated breakthrough in equipping with high-precision weapons during an allegedly five-year period has never been accomplished, this development (evolution) process was laid down in fundamental science to study new materials and weapons technologies in the 60s of the last century, and this R&D process was never interrupted. Simply put, in order to get the Onyx, Caliber, Iskander and other new products, they were preceded by many decades of scientific research, training and military tests, and the arming of previous generations of weapons.
    We are talking about the creation of five years old is actually about creating a new generation of controls for these weapons, and not some kind of sudden technological breakthrough.
    The author, you have more dislikes, pickled mushrooms.
  20. Sergey53
    Sergey53 8 November 2017 16: 27 New
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    Well, 12 times or more than 30 times still does not say anything. The main thing is how much the countdown begins.
  21. mss001
    mss001 8 November 2017 16: 42 New
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    It would be nice to try our new system on our “partners” from the USA and NATO. They were really carried away by yapping at Russia in the form of offensive and unreasonable attacks and accusations. It’s time for a long time ago to show the presumptuous villains their place under the bench, and preferably in the cesspool.
  22. Macross
    Macross 8 November 2017 16: 45 New
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    We should already develop protection against American missile bases, which no longer have a place where they do not exist.
  23. Whaler
    Whaler 8 November 2017 17: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: parma
    In vain you laugh, the Mongols had an advantage! They did not have pronounced economic centers, for the nomads carried their entire economy with them! It was impossible to strike in one place, paralyzing their entire "economy". And in China there were, there were big cities, without which the rest of the country could not oppose anything! And Alexander had a great superiority - look at what the Persians were mainly armed with! The simplest kind of weapons, while each Greek (except for the support units) had lenotrex, helmet, sarissa, shield and sword, was excellently trained. Later, the history of the Persian empire was repeated by the Spaniards (having huge wealth from America, they invested it unsuccessfully and thoughtlessly). The USSR did not receive assistance in Lend-Lease? Especially in 1941 and 1942 this supply did not play a role? Where did high-octane gas come from? Gunpowder and explosives? Machines on which in the 43rd began to make 57-mm guns? Yes, at least look at product launches, at least in tons at least in pieces!
    He traveled to Europe more than once, including his studies. In one thing, you are right, some things (in the same energy sector) that are almost regular in our country, are considered emergency in Germany, you need to stop the station block, but they have a different mentality. And about the chaos, have you heard about martial law? About curfew? And are you so sure that the same thing will not start in Russia? You can cut down the substation, but this will only put the management in front of a choice — using the available bandwidth, either leave the house without light or stop the plants.

    57mm ZiS-2 guns, you know ours (LOL) were SERIAL since the year 40, in the second half of the 41st, it was decided to stop the intake as excessively powerful ... the factory director, at your own peril and risk, a decision was made to preserve the equipment and storage already released "pipes" - trunks, which later came in handy at 43m .... so in WHAT year did Lend-Lease machines appear ?? Twice LOL - only ready-made products were delivered by lend-lease, but not technology and equipment .... So you are a FULL (albeit militant) layman, with which I congratulate you hi
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 8 November 2017 22: 30 New
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      Quote: Whaler
      on lend-lease, only finished products were supplied, but not technologies and equipment

      Sorry what?
    2. opus
      opus 9 November 2017 00: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Whaler
      on lend-lease, only finished products were supplied, but not technologies and equipment

      In all, 38100 machine tools were supplied from the USA to the USSR during the war, 6500 machines and 104 presses from the UK were supplied.

      Productivity upgrades and the introduction of new automatic welding machines, as well as electric nut-wrenches, electric screwdrivers, deburring pneumatic machines and surface cleaning helped to increase productivity. and other lend-lease tools. For the manufacture of gearbox and gearbox mechanisms Multi-tool aggregate machines and automatic machines "Reed", "Fay", "MT-30" and "Spire" were obtained. In addition, for the production of tank parts in 1943, imported multi-spindle Bullard and New Britten machines that have never been used in tank building before. Be that as it may, the 5-speed checkpoints, which the plant previously received in cooperation with ChKZ, now came out of the hands of the “Clapboard” workers and their quality fully corresponded to the requirements of the customer.


      and MikhailO Baryatinsky writes
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 9 November 2017 00: 22 New
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        Quote: opus
        and to a large extent electric wrenches, electric screwdrivers, pneumatic deburring and surface cleaning machines and other tools obtained by Lend-Lease

        Well, wrenches are still trifles.
        Foreign policy of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War. - T.2: Documents and materials January 1 - December 31, 1944. - M: OGIZ, State Political Publishing House, 1946 - P.142 - 147
        I. DELIVERY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE SOVIET UNION, PRODUCED FOR THE PERIOD FROM OCTOBER 1, 1941 TO APRIL 30, 1944 BASED ON THE LOAN TRANSFER LAW AND FOR ARMENIA-LOAN (ON LENA)
        .
        For the needs of the defense industry delivered:
        metal cutting machines - 20 380. various industrial equipment in the amount of $ 257,2 million, including power equipment for a total capacity of 288 thousand kW., including 263 mobile power plants with a total capacity of 39 thousand kW., equipment of 4 oil refineries and aluminum rolling plant4 marine engines. With a total capacity of 138 thousand horsepower, 2718 presses and hammers, 524 cranes, 209 excavators and for the needs of the railway transport of locomotives 241, platforms — 1154, tanks for the transportation of acids — 80 units.


        The number on the machines is lower than yours, because the period is not complete. Just in 44-45, the share of equipment was maximum.
    3. passerby5
      passerby5 6 January 2018 13: 43 New
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      Allow me to agree with you about the "influence" of lendlization and equipment. technology - I won’t say, BUT: in the collective farm villages, the United States 42-43 years turning and milling machines are still preserved and WORK. Of course, they were delivered not to collective farms, but to factories, but after working there, they were sent to "raise" agriculture ... and in the automotive industry, there are a lot of what engines, let’s say reincarnation))) went to our cars .... that you are sweeping everything in vain. do not think that I praise. I do not want to exaggerate, but Lend.Liz helped well then.
  24. Eflintuk
    Eflintuk 8 November 2017 17: 59 New
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    Is there anything they write about anything but one, what is there for magical ultraprecise guidance systems that we have hitherto unknown to anyone? Or are they all the same satellite navigators and suicide bombers with laser designators, which everyone has been using since the last century?
  25. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 8 November 2017 18: 19 New
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    To give an analysis, you need to know at least some TTX.
  26. SergF123
    SergF123 8 November 2017 18: 23 New
    +1
    P @ zdets soon to your America!)
  27. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 8 November 2017 18: 32 New
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    And that's great !!!!! Well done Russian scientists !!!!
  28. myobius59
    myobius59 8 November 2017 19: 22 New
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    Quote: venik
    Quote: parma
    there are no real numbers (in the sense of pieces), hence skepticism .... An increase of 12 and 30 times is just great, but how much is it in pieces?

    ==========
    And you, excuse me, that "shpien" ?? What kind of intelligence are you working on, my friend ???
    PS Oh, this "democracy", "freedom of speech (and religion) spoiled the people wink ) ". Slightly that - Immediately classified information give them !!!

    You are funny, however. Of course, we don’t need to know anything. But our "partners", be sure, know this perfectly.
    I recall in this connection such a story that occurred in the late 70s of the last century. Details have already been forgotten, I convey the meaning.
    Our latest warship on a long voyage went to a foreign port on a friendly visit. As always, (almost), in this case, a tour of the local population was organized on it. And our officers were interested in one such sightseer, pacing the deck with a colorful album, in which he looked. Ours approached him and asked. what kind of "guide" he has with him. He kindly showed them to him, and ours simply were crazy, seeing what was painted there. And there was painted their ship, in all details, and TTX. about which not even their crew were told. Well, just what anyone needs. And then EVERYTHING !!! .. All the secrets, all the secrets that are secrets and secrets only for their people.
    And in this American military journal, all these secrets were beautifully drawn with explanations and comments.
    Something like that. Think something has changed.? 100% has become even worse with our orders.
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 November 2017 18: 04 New
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      Jane worked diligently repeat
      Jane's Fighting Ships - Annually Published Handbook on warships of the world (there is an online version, versions on CDs and microfiches). Each publication contains information about all the warships of the world, sorted by country and includes information on ship names, dimensions, weapons, silhouettes, photographs and the like.
      Edition founded by John Frederick Thomas Jane and first published in 1898 year (they already printed pictures of the ships) as "Jane's All the World's Fighting Ships".
    2. passerby5
      passerby5 6 January 2018 14: 25 New
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      Well, maybe it didn’t become worse .. but debelism about this secrecy is more than enough. served in 88-90. in Cuba (air defense). so forbidden to take pictures !!!! although he already fought in Egypt, and was delivered as a "Quadrant" ... in general, yes, a lot of secret. but for the population of our country ANOTHER more !!!))))
  29. antiexpert
    antiexpert 8 November 2017 20: 24 New
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    Taking into account the fact that the appearance of nuclear weapons in Barmalei is just a matter of time, not far from that, such a system takes on the same archival significance!
  30. Evgeny Strygin
    Evgeny Strygin 8 November 2017 20: 51 New
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    Yeah. The containment system in the form of a warning.
  31. Clone
    Clone 8 November 2017 22: 36 New
    +1
    How pleasant it is to be proud that your Motherland has not only a great history, bright minds and natural resources, but also strong fists that can protect all this.
  32. Uryukc
    Uryukc 9 November 2017 02: 51 New
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    Cherry Nine,
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Is it 40H6E or what? Do you have official information about what is accepted for service? It seems like I’ve heard about 10 years ..

    As you say Google to help read about the C300 B4 and C400, missiles with a similar range are not even one type, though they are for different purposes. But suppose you do not find official confirmation that convinces you that these missiles are not? And we are not in a position to find control on AWACS?
  33. sgrabik
    sgrabik 9 November 2017 10: 13 New
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    In the next 2 to 3 years, we need to be fully armed and, if necessary, able to massively use comprehensively and simultaneously the entire arsenal of precision and long-range weapons to destroy all of NATO’s main facilities not only in the United States, but also in Europe, and for this we need to have not hundreds, but thousands of missiles of all the types listed, given the fact that some of our missiles will still be able to intercept the NATO air defense and missile defense systems, we still have work to do, and the range of 4000 km is far from limit, you need to create new high-precision low-visibility strike systems with a range of 6000 - 8000 km and hypersonic flight speed.
  34. albanian
    albanian 9 November 2017 11: 34 New
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    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Come bourgeois

    According to data for 2015, the US population is 330 million people, the number of trunks on hand is 350 million. In some states, heavy weapons are allowed up to and including howitzers in civilian possession.
    Just for reference.

    I’m afraid that we have a much larger cartridge than all possible ill-wishers, but if necessary, we’ll do it again.
  35. your1970
    your1970 9 November 2017 18: 00 New
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    Cherry Nine,
    if this not the blockade - why did Churchill hysteria about the ruined economy (as you say) ?? did the bombings really affect? ​​that is, both the British and Germans lie - that the Luftwaffe lost the Battle of England? That the industry did not cause serious damage to the bombing?
    Why is there then? There is no blockade, bombing is so-so, and for some reason the industry can’t work in normal mode, so the US has to beg for weapons and equipment?
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 9 November 2017 19: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: your1970
      hysteria about a ruined economy (

      He did not talk about a destroyed economy. He said that he ran out of money. Ended noticeably earlier than tonnage. Let me remind you that the "blockade" did not stop even the Arctic convoys.
      Quote: your1970
      Why then? There is no blockade, the bombing is so-so, and for some reason the industry cannot work in normal mode

      Yeah. And what do you see as a contradiction?
      Both the English and German economies were severely limited in resources, but not to a comparable extent. Even the Americans in 42-45 had coupons for a number of goods.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 November 2017 09: 18 New
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        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Both the English and German economies were strongly limited by resources
        - if there are no resources - does the blockade work ??
        about the Arctic convoys - if transport ships stamp like cars on a conveyor belt, then the only problem is to cover them, which was done with a sin in half
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 10 November 2017 11: 24 New
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          Quote: your1970
          if there are no resources - does the blockade work ??

          What does the blockade have to do with it? Not enough resources - therefore not enough resources, production capacities more than raw materials. Reich and Japan succeeded in blocking at the end of the war. Britain has never been blocked.
          Quote: your1970
          if transport ships are stamped like cars on an assembly line,

          The first Liberty was on September 27 of the 41st, the first convoy was on August 21. In the fall of the 41st, only those ships that "could not break" into England "blocked" by you went to the convoys.
          1. your1970
            your1970 10 November 2017 12: 00 New
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            Quote: Cherry Nine
            What does the blockade have to do with it? Not enough resources - therefore not enough resources, production capacities more than raw materials. Reich and Japan succeeded in blocking at the end of the war. Britain has never been blocked.
            -Do you hear yourself? if EARLIER lacked resources, and THEN sharply ceased to be enough at the same industrial capacities, which means that the influx of resources fell sharply. Resources could only reach the island by sea, which means supplies were sharply limited - and it doesn’t even matter: the blockade itself did it or the traders were afraid for their ships / goods / resources .
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 10 November 2017 19: 04 New
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              Quote: your1970
              -Do you hear yourself?

              It is quite
              Here are the numbers for the tonnage of the merchant fleet controlled by the UK (for ships of more than 1600 gross):
              September 3, 1939 - 17,784 mln.
              September 30, 1940 - 21,373 mln.
              September 30, 1941 - 20,552 mln.
              January 1, 1942 - 20,693 mln.
              The numbers speak for themselves about German "successes."
              And even at the peak of the greatest successes of German submarines - in 1942, when after the entry into the US war the total merchant fleet of the Allies increased to about 30 million gross tons, - the Axis countries sank 7,8 million gross tons of tonnage by all means and forces, and the Allies put into operation about 6,8 million tons of tonnage. Those. the union merchant fleet was reduced by only 1 mln. Well, there’s nothing to say about 3 - not only was the new shipbuilding firmly covering the losses, but the Kansyk submarine of Hansa had arrived in May.

              Yes, the loss of every fifth ship is a problem. But this is not a blockade, for my taste. Suppose that every fifth car would not reach Leningrad.
              1. your1970
                your1970 11 November 2017 19: 04 New
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                Yes, I do not care about the loss of their fleet - if the production falls if there is demand, it means either there are not enough resources or capacities. Choose for yourself where they put resources or capacities .........
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 11 November 2017 22: 45 New
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                  Quote: your1970
                  I don’t give a damn about the loss of their fleet - if production falls in the presence of demand - it means either there are not enough resources or capacities.

                  Colleague, how about your health?
                  Yes, naturally Britain lacks resources. Here it’s not even a matter of losses, but of the convoy system - ships go less frequently, the import of resources in the 40th as compared to the 38th year fell by half. However, I see no reason to call these problems “blockade”. Moreover, such a radical “blockade” that it would be difficult to drag a couple of tons of watches from Spain.
  36. Uryukc
    Uryukc 9 November 2017 18: 25 New
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    Cherry Nine,
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Sorry for the national question, are you Vainakh?

    There are a lot of bloods in me of different peoples inhabiting Russia, I define myself as Russian, according to the views of the internationalist.
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    The main problem of the planet according to the progressive part of the Western media is, of course, D. Trump. The fact that he slept on tricks with the Russians is a secondary detail. He would have slept on a youngster, like Signor Berlusconi or Spacey - CNN with NYT would have wet pedophiles.

    I need to be treated about the fact that Trump is not the main problem in the media, when I wanted to make an objective look, I was not too lazy and regularly read translations on inosmi.ru so much ate with your govojournalism that now it’s not enough to analyze foreign press, from the word completely. Naturally, inosmi.ru contains articles related to the Russian Federation. Trump and his pseudo-relationships with the Russian Federation are only one of the many plots, the essence of which boils down to the fact that there is a certain problem and Russia is to blame for it, and in general we are sleeping and see how you shit all democracy. With Trump the same story as with Oswald, it is enough for the staff to know that he lived in Minsk to be sure that he killed Kennedy and that he is a KGB agent.
    I didn’t hear about Berlusconi, Spacey just seemed to have been accused without any evidence, well, you obviously don’t need the media evidence either.
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    He writes that there are no official statements about this missile. Even worse, such a range is a sign of a high-altitude missile with a ballistic trajectory. Forget about AWACS - it won’t happen.

    As you say, the Aryan Wehrmacht is invincible))
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 9 November 2017 20: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Uryukc
      I have a lot of blood

      Apparently, you did not understand the question. Leave it alone.
      Quote: Uryukc
      inosmi.ru collected articles relating to the Russian Federation

      Inosmi is a Russophobic dump that sells stories about how the psi are afraid and hate us. The problem is not even that the selection of materials there is one-sided, but that the reader seems to have the impression that Russia in the Western media occupies more space than the ass of K. Kardashian (if you are not in the subject of American sights - Oh Buzova for their money). This is a false impression. Ms. Kardashian’s ass is overshadowing Russia with a large margin.
      Quote: Uryukc
      As you say, the Aryan Wehrmacht

      What does the Wehrmacht have to do with it? Does it somehow stop you from distinguishing facts about rumors? Is the product adopted? When? Whose order? What parts were received?
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 9 November 2017 23: 39 New
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        Quote: Cherry Nine
        The problem is not even that the selection of materials there is one-sided, but that the reader seems to have the impression that Russia occupies more space in the Western media

        Suppose one-sided selection. Is the translation correct? Are the editions releasing such articles as NT, WP, NI, GU, IN (German also full of Spiegels, etc.) leading? Are there many articles of reverse content in these publications?
        YES, YES and NO. Enemies are made of us, this is obvious ...
        Even national egocentrism does not prevent me from understanding that the material is published relating to the Russian Federation, which means that the abundance of articles does not indicate their relative weight in the information flow. So I do not dispute the leading role of Kardashian’s ass on American TV.
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        how n-ss are afraid and hate us

        1.https: //topwar.ru/97295-bridlav-rossiya-yavlyaets
        ya-ekzistencialnoy-ugrozoy-dlya-vsego-miroporyadk
        a.html
        2. https://utro.ru/articles/2016/04/15/1278727.shtml
        3.http: //www.bbc.com/russian/features-40441029
        4.https: //inforesist.org/putinskaya-rossiya-ugroza-
        tsivilizovannomu-miru /
        Do ss and their bedding constantly call us "the main exostantial threat", what is the diplomatic synonym for the "sworn enemy", are the FSB agents pulling them by their tongues?
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Is the product adopted? When? Whose order? What parts were received?

        You want a few, maybe you can also find the coordinates? You understand that not all samples have similar information, and this does not mean at all that they are not in the troops. The public characteristics of vryatli are reliable both in a positive and in a negative sense. If you are interested in this topic, I highly recommend militaryrussia.ru that contains everything that can be found in the public domain in great detail and structured with links to sources.
        Here's the C400 http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-593.html
        More on Rubella 2, also complicates the life of AWACS http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/index-938.html
        It is a pity there is no C300 B4 in this complex, too, there are such missiles, look for the details yourself, but I do not need to convince me of anything.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 10 November 2017 10: 58 New
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          Quote: Uryukc
          Here's the C400 http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-593.html

          Everything written about the product in the past tense is negative. Positive is only the future tense (promises).
          Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced the consideration of the results

          To declare the consideration of the results - do not toss the bags. Where are the pieces of iron?
          Quote: Uryukc
          You want a few, maybe you can also find the coordinates

          Enough parts. The site had a series of articles on google maps. Secrecy, as understood in the USSR, has long been gone and never will be.
          Quote: Uryukc
          constantly call us

          You see. For some reason, people of patriotic views, like you, are aware of the statements of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and “analysts” from such a garbage dump as an information resident. At the same time, I, a liberal, tolerance and atlantist, never visit such resources. From this we can conclude, due to which visitors these sites live. Caricature Russophobia is sold to the same people as caricature propaganda.
          Quote: Uryukc
          Publications issuing such articles as NT, WP, NI, GU, IN (German is also full of Spiegels, etc.)

          From the sample you gave, the real message is the Air Force. It says that men gathered and asked themselves a lot of money. No more and no less.
          1. Macross
            Macross 12 November 2017 13: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            To declare the consideration of the results - do not toss the bags. Where are the pieces of iron?

            You are like a woman, or nothing or all. hinted at this about the atlantist? Poland Strong is crying for you.
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            From the sample you gave, the real message is the Air Force. It says that men gathered and asked themselves a lot of money. No more and no less.

            Since when did the Air Force become a super duper source of world behind-the-scenes games? As far as I know, the Air Force asked for more money for propaganda, more than they allot on RT.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 12 November 2017 18: 37 New
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              Quote: Macross
              You are like a woman, or nothing or all

              The link http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-593.html states that 40H6 "passed the test and will go into service soon" in 2012. In 2017, Mr. Shoigu "announced the review of the results of state trials." Does that just cause me questions?
              Quote: Macross
              Since when did the Air Force

              Perhaps you should have read the texts from the Uryukc links before writing your thoughts.
              1. Macross
                Macross 13 November 2017 04: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                The link http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-593.html states that 40H6 "passed the test and will go into service soon" in 2012. In 2017, Mr. Shoigu "announced the review of the results of state trials." Does that just cause me questions?

                http://youinf.ru/40n6-zenitnaya-upravlyaemaya-rak
                eta-sverxbolshoj-dalnosti /
                Specifications have changed. Results of new modifications.
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Perhaps you should have read the texts from the Uryukc links before writing your thoughts.

                besides topwar there the rest is nonsense of officials and the thoughts of journalists. In a word Russophobia. (trend in world practice)
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 13 November 2017 22: 02 New
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                  Quote: Macross
                  http://youinf.ru/40n6-zenitnaya-upravlyaemaya-rak
                  eta-sverxbolshoj-dalnosti /

                  It says exactly the same thing. 2012 - the results of the tests are summarized, 2017 - the results of the tests are summarized. Not adopted.
                  Quote: Macross
                  except topwar

                  By reference to the ax, a military pensioner discusses vodka about international relations and the meaning of life.
  37. megadeth
    megadeth 9 November 2017 18: 36 New
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    Gerasimov already 3 years ago, was ready to fight with the whole world ...
  38. Victor Detective South
    Victor Detective South 9 November 2017 19: 39 New
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    As always modest, not reporting what is in stock.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 November 2017 22: 54 New
      +1
      It would not turn out that we have reserves, there was a minuscule.
  39. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 9 November 2017 22: 56 New
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    Quote: Victor Detective South
    As always modest, not reporting what is in stock.

    Yes, one should remember one slogan - "a chatterbox is a godsend for a spy!" hi
  40. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 10 November 2017 02: 52 New
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    You can not talk about the use in Syria, as a battle. Absolutely no resistance, i.e. from the word "completely". Neither electronic warfare, nor air defense .. What is on the ground, in Syria. You can only evaluate the effectiveness of the action on the target, but what are these huts for the goal? Here cover the system of underground shelters, wow. And so, full I would call a grouping with conditionally simultaneous launch of 3 ... 4 thousand units of the WTO (for example, in half an hour).
    1. Macross
      Macross 12 November 2017 13: 49 New
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      Homing bullets? it’s easier to launch gas in the catacombs and set fire, but there is a high probability of killing civilians.
  41. Egg
    Egg 10 November 2017 14: 37 New
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    Quote: Vlad.by
    But to disable the missile defense control center, launchers, air defense, fuel depots, the most important thermal power plants and transformer substations ... after this, the metalwork factory itself will be without raw materials and electricity. Is it really necessary to explain common truths?

    The rest will be completed by a panic ....
  42. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 11 November 2017 23: 12 New
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    The appearance of a ... new shield

    I didn’t understand a bit - is it still a “shield” or a punishing sword?
  43. Cuba
    Cuba 13 November 2017 13: 23 New
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    Quote: Dead Day
    Yesterday, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation announced the creation in Russia of a full-fledged group of carriers of high-precision weapons capable of using missiles at ranges up to 4000 kilometers.
    belay Is this the true range of the OTRK and the "caliber"? or sho? what

    So hto will tell you about the TRUE range ?? ... here the trouble begins, then you will find out! .. I won’t be surprised if not 4000 km is 6-7 tkm! ... Surprise, panimaesh !!
  44. vik669
    vik669 14 November 2017 16: 41 New
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    "If there are 38 snipers, then each sniper has a goal, the target moves, and he moves his eyes, constantly ..." - we had such and the results are known.