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Why did the Bolsheviks defeat

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“The October revolution cannot be considered only a revolution within the national framework. It is above all a revolution of an international, world order. ”
J. Stalin



Why did the Bolsheviks win? Because they gave the Russian civilization and the people a new development project. They created a new reality that was in the interests of the majority of the workers and peasants of Russia. "Old Russia" in the face of the nobility, the liberal intelligentsia, the bourgeoisie and the capitalists committed suicide - thinking that it is destroying the Russian autocracy.

The Bolsheviks did not intend to reanimate the old project: the state and society. On the contrary, they offered people a new reality, a completely different world (civilization), which was fundamentally different from the old world, which died before their eyes. The Bolsheviks beautifully used a brief moment in storieswhen the “old Russia” died (was killed by the Westernizers of the Februaryists), and the temporary revolutionaries of the Februaryists could not offer anything to the people, except for the power of the capitalists, the bourgeois owners and the increasing dependence on the West. At the same time without sacred royal power, which for a long time hid the flaws of the old world. A conceptual, ideological emptiness was formed. Russia had to die, torn apart by western and eastern "predators" into spheres of influence, semi-colonies and "independent" bantustans, or make a breakthrough into the future.

And the Bolsheviks themselves did not expect that there would be a revolution in Russia, and even in the country, in their opinion, not ready for a socialist revolution. Lenin wrote: “The endless pattern they have (among traditional Marxists. - Auth.) Is the one that they learned by heart during the development of Western European Social Democracy and which is that we didn’t reach socialism, that we don’t have various scholars of them, the objective economic prerequisites for socialism, are expressed. And it does not occur to anyone to ask oneself: could the people who met the revolutionary situation be like the first imperialist war, under the influence of the hopelessness of his position to rush to such a struggle, which at least offered him any chance to conquer for themselves is not in very ordinary conditions for the further growth of civilization "?

That is, the Bolsheviks used the historical chance to try to create a new better world on the rubble of the old. At the same time, the old world collapsed under the weight of objective reasons that sharpened the Romanov empire for centuries, as well as the subversive activities of the heterogeneous “fifth column”, where the main role was played by Western liberals, the bourgeoisie and the capitalists, led by Freemasons (the support of the West also played a role). It is clear that the Bolsheviks also sought to destroy the old world, but until February they were such a weak, small and marginal force that they themselves noted that there would be no revolution in Russia. Their leaders and activists hid abroad, or were in prisons, were in exile. Their structures were crushed, or went deep underground, having practically no influence on society, compared to such powerful parties as the Cadets or Social Revolutionaries. Only February opened the "window of opportunity" for the Bolsheviks. Fevralista-Westerners, in an effort to seize the desired power, themselves killed the "old Russia", destroyed all the foundations of statehood, began a great Russian unrest and laid a loophole for the Bolsheviks.

And the Bolsheviks found everything that was necessary for the Russian civilization and the Russian superethnos to create a new project and reality, where "the good will live" for the majority, and not just for small sections of the "chosen". The Bolsheviks had a bright image of a possible and desirable world. They had an idea, an iron will, energy and faith in their victory. Therefore, the people supported them and they won.

Why did the Bolsheviks defeat


Milestones of the Great October Socialist Revolution

It is worth noting that Lenin's ideas about the need to take power, expressed in the April Theses, caused misunderstanding in the ranks of the Bolsheviks. His demands to deepen the revolution, to go to the dictatorship of the proletariat were then incomprehensible to the comrades, frightened them. Lenin was in the minority. However, he was the most far-sighted. Within a few months, the situation in the country changed in the most radical way, the Februarylistists undermined all the foundations of power, the state, launched a distemper in the country. Now the majority was in revolt. The 6th Congress of the RSDLP (end of July - early August 1917 of the year) headed for an armed uprising.

October 23 held a meeting of the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b) (the Bolshevik Party) in a conspiratorial setting in Petrograd. The party leader, Vladimir Lenin, secured the adoption of a resolution on the need for a speedy armed uprising to seize power in the country of 10 with “for” votes while 2 is “against” (Lev Kamenev and Grigory Zinoviev). Kamenev and Zinoviev hoped that in these conditions the Bolsheviks could get power by mines, from the Constituent Assembly. October 25, on the initiative of the Chairman of the Petrograd Soviet, Lev Trotsky, created the Military Revolutionary Committee (WRC), which became one of the centers for the preparation of the uprising. The committee was controlled by the Bolsheviks and the Left Social Revolutionaries. It was established legally, under the pretext of protecting Petrograd from the advancing Germans and the Kornilov rebels. With a call to join him, the Council appealed to the soldiers of the capital garrison, the Red Guards and the Kronstadt sailors.

Meanwhile the country continued to fall apart and decompose. So, October 23 in Grozny was formed the so-called "Chechen Committee of the gains of the revolution." He declared himself the main authority in the Grozny and Vedeno districts, formed his own Chechen bank, food committees and introduced a compulsory court for Sharia. The criminal situation in Russia, where liberal-bourgeois “democracy” was victorious, was extremely difficult. On October 28, the newspaper Russkie Vedomosti (No. 236) reported on the atrocities perpetrated by soldiers on the railways and complaints about them by the railway workers. In Kremenchug, Voronezh and Lipetsk, soldiers looted cargo trains and passengers' luggage, attacking the passengers themselves. In Voronezh and Bologoy, they also trashed the cars themselves, breaking windows and breaking the roofs. “It’s impossible to work,” railroad workers complained. In Belgorod, pogrom spread to the city, where deserters and local residents who joined them defeated grocery stores and rich houses.

Deserters running from the front with weapons in their hands, not only went home, but also replenished and created bandit formations (sometimes whole “armies”), which became one of the threats to the existence of Russia. Only the Bolsheviks will be able to suppress this “green” danger and anarchy as a whole. They will have to solve the task of suppressing the criminal revolution, which began in Russia with the “light” hand of revolutionaries-Februaryists.

On October 31, a garrison meeting was held in Petrograd (representatives of the regiments stationed in the city), the majority of whose participants expressed support for an armed uprising against the Provisional Government, if it happens under the leadership of the Petrograd Soviet. On November 3, representatives of the regiments recognized the Petrograd Soviet as the sole legitimate authority. At the same time, the Military Revolutionary Committee began to appoint commissars to the military units, replacing the commissars of the Provisional Government with them. On the night of 4 in November, representatives of the Revolutionary Military Committee announced to Georgy Polkovnikov, Commander of the Petrograd Military District, about the appointment of their commissars and to the district headquarters. Colonels initially refused to cooperate with them, and only 5 in November agreed to a compromise - the creation at headquarters of an advisory body to coordinate with the WRC, which did not work in practice.

On November 5, the Revolutionary Command issued an order granting its commissioners the right to veto orders from commanders of military units. Also on this day, the garrison of the Peter and Paul Fortress moved to the side of the Bolsheviks, which was “propagandized” by one of the Bolshevik leaders and the actual leader of the Revolutionary Committee, Lev Trotsky (formally, the Revolutionary Committee was headed by the left SR Pavel Lazimir). The garrison of the fortress immediately seized the nearby Kronverksky arsenal and began distributing weapons to the Red Guard detachments.

On the night of November 5, the head of the Provisional Government, Alexander Kerensky, ordered the chief of staff of the Petrograd military district, General Yakov Bagratuni, to send an ultimatum to the Petrograd Soviet: either the Council recalls its commissars, or the military authorities will use force. On the same day, Bagratuni ordered the junkers of the military schools in Petrograd, students of the ensigns schools and other parts to arrive at the Palace Square.

November 6 (October 24) began an open armed struggle between the Military Revolutionary Committee and the Provisional Government. The Provisional Government issued a decree on the arrest of the circulation of the Bolshevik newspaper “Work Path” (previously closed “Pravda”), which was printed at the Trud printing house. Policemen and cadets went there and began to arrest the circulation. Upon learning of this, the leaders of the WRC contacted the Red Guard detachments and committees of military units. “The Petrograd Soviet is in direct danger,” said the Revolutionary Command of the Revolution, “at night, counterrevolutionary conspirators tried to call in from the neighborhood junkers and strike battalions to Petrograd. The newspapers "Soldier" and "Work Path" are closed. It is hereby ordered to put the regiment on alert. Wait for further orders. Any delay and confusion will be seen as a betrayal of the revolution. " By order of the Revolutionary Committee, a company of soldiers under his control arrived at the Trud printing house and ousted the junkers. The seal of Work Path was resumed.

The Provisional Government decided to strengthen its own security, but to protect the Winter Palace during the day it was possible to attract only about 100 war invalids from the St. George Cavaliers (many, including the squad commander, on prostheses), junior artillery battalions and the company of the shock battalion of women. It is worth noting that The Provisional Government, Kerensky themselves did everything so that the Bolsheviks did not meet with serious armed resistance. They were afraid of the fire of the “right” —the Cadets, the Kornilovites, the generals, the Cossacks — the forces that could overthrow them and establish a military dictatorship. Therefore, by October they suppressed all the forces that could offer real resistance to the Bolsheviks. Kerensky was afraid to create officer units and introduce Cossack regiments to the capital. And the generals, the army officers and the Cossacks hated Kerensky, who ruined the army and led to the failure of Kornilov’s speeches. On the other hand, hesitant attempts by Kerensky to get rid of the most unreliable parts of the Petrograd garrison only led to the fact that they drifted "to the left" and went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. At the same time, the temporary worker was carried away by the formation of national formations - Czechoslovakia, Polish, Ukrainian, which later would play a crucial role in unleashing the Civil War.


The head of the Provisional Government, Alexander F. Kerensky

By this time, a meeting of the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b) was held, at which it was decided to start an armed uprising. Kerensky went for support at the meeting of the Provisional Council of the Russian Republic held on the same day (Pre-Parliament, advisory body to the Provisional Government), asking him for support. But the Pre-Parliament refused to give extraordinary powers to Kerensky to suppress a rising insurrection, adopting a resolution criticizing the actions of the Provisional Government.

The revolutionary committee then appealed with an appeal "To the people of Petrograd," which said that the Petrograd Soviet took upon itself "the protection of the revolutionary order against the attempts of counter-revolutionary pogromists." Began an open confrontation. The Provisional Government ordered the bridges across the Neva to be erected in order to cut off the Red Guards in the northern half of the city from the Winter Palace. But the cadets who were sent to execute the order managed to dissolve only the Nikolayevsky Bridge (on Vasilyevsky Island) and for some time held the Palace (next to the Winter Palace). Already on the Liteiny Bridge they were met and disarmed by the Red Guards. Also in the late evening, the Red Guard units began to take control of the stations. The latter, Warsaw, was busy on the morning of 8 on November 7.

At about midnight, the Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin left the safe house and arrived in Smolny. He did not yet know that the enemy was not at all ready to resist, so he changed his appearance by shaving off his mustache and beard so that he would not be recognized. November 7 (October 25) at 2 in the morning hours a detachment of armed soldiers and sailors on behalf of the WRC took over the telegraph and the Petrograd Telegraph Agency. Right there, telegrams were sent to Kronstadt and Helsingfors (Helsinki) demanding that warships with sailors' detachments be pulled up to Petrograd. Red Guard detachments, meanwhile, occupied all the new main points of the city and by morning they controlled the printing house of the newspaper Birzhevye Vedomosti, the Astoria hotel, the power station and the telephone exchange. The cadets guarding them were disarmed. 9 hours 30 min. a detachment of sailors occupied the State Bank. Soon the police received a message that the Winter Palace was isolated and its telephone network was disconnected. An attempt by a small detachment of junkers led by the Provisional Government Commissioner Vladimir Stankevich to recapture the telephone station ended in failure, and the cadets of the school of ensigns (near 2000 bayonets) called by Kerensky in Petrograd could not be reached because the Baltic Station was already occupied by the rebels. The cruiser "Aurora" approached the Nikolaevsky bridge, the bridge itself was beaten off by the cadets and again reduced. Already early in the morning, sailors from Kronstadt, who landed on Vasilyevsky Island, began to arrive in the city. They were covered by the cruiser Aurora, the battleship Dawn of Freedom and two destroyers.


Armored cruiser "Aurora"

On the night of November 7, Kerensky moved between the headquarters of the Petrograd Military District, trying to pull up new units from there, and the Winter Palace, where the Provisional Government was meeting. The military district commander Georgy Polkovnikov read out a report to Kerensky, in which he assessed the situation as “critical” and informed that “there are no troops at the disposal of the government”. Then Kerensky dismissed Polkovnikov from office for indecision and personally appealed to 1, 4, and 14 Cossack regiments to take part in the defense of "revolutionary democracy." But most of the Cossacks showed "unconsciousness" and did not come out of the barracks, and only about 200 Cossacks arrived at the Winter Palace.

By 11 in the morning hours of November 7, Kerensky drove Petrograd to Pskov by car from the American embassy and flying the American flag, accompanied by several officers, where the headquarters of the Northern Front was located. Later, a legend will appear that Kerensky fled from the Winter Palace, dressing in a woman's dress, which was a complete fiction. Kerensky left Minister of Trade and Industry Alexander Konovalov to perform the duties of the head of government.

November 7 day was gone by the rebels to break up the Pre-Parliament meeting in the Mariinsky Palace not far from the already occupied Astoria. By noon, the building was cordoned off by revolutionary soldiers. From 12 hours 30 min. the soldiers began to go inside, demanding that the delegates disperse. A prominent politician, the foreign minister in the first composition of the Provisional Government, Pavel Milyukov later described the inglorious end of this institution: “No attempt was made to stop a group of members to react to events. This was reflected in the general consciousness of the powerlessness of this ephemeral institution and the impossibility for it, after the resolution adopted on the eve of the resolution, to take any kind of joint actions. ”

The capture of the Winter Palace proper began around 9 hours of the evening with a blank shot from the Peter and Paul Fortress and then also a blank shot from the Aurora cruiser. The detachments of revolutionary sailors and Red Guards actually just entered the Winter Palace from the side of the Hermitage. By two o'clock in the morning, the Provisional Government was arrested, defending the cadet’s palace, women and people with disabilities partially fled before the assault, partly they laid down their arms. Already in the USSR, artists created a beautiful myth about the storming of the Winter. But there was no need to storm the Winter Palace, temporary workers from the Provisional Government were so tired of everyone that almost no one defended them.

The creation of the Soviet government

The uprising coincided in time with the II All-Russian Congress of Soviets, which opened on November 7 in 22 hours 40 minutes. in the building of the Smolny Institute. Deputies from among the right-wing Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks and Bundists, having learned of the coup that had begun, left the congress in protest. But by their departure they could not violate the quorum, and the Left Social Revolutionaries, part of the Mensheviks and anarchists, and delegates from national groups supported the actions of the Bolsheviks. As a result, Martov’s position on the need to create a government in which representatives of all socialist parties and democratic groups would be, was not supported. The words of the leader of the Bolsheviks, Vladimir Lenin - “The revolution, the necessity of which the Bolsheviks spoke for so long, came true!” - caused a standing ovation at the congress. Based on the victorious uprising, the Congress proclaimed “Workers, Soldiers and Peasants!” By calling out the transfer of power to the Soviets.

The victorious Bolsheviks immediately began legislative work. The first laws were the so-called "Decree on Peace" - a call to all belligerent countries and peoples to immediately begin negotiations on concluding a universal peace without annexations and indemnities, to cancel secret diplomacy, to publish secret treaties of the tsarist and Provisional Governments; and the “Land Decree” —the landlord's land was subject to confiscation and transfer for processing to the peasants, but at the same time all the lands, forests, waters and subsoil were nationalized. Private land ownership was canceled free of charge. These decrees were approved by the November 8 Congress of the Soviets (October 26).

The Congress of Soviets formed the first so-called "workers 'and peasants' government" - the Council of People's Commissars headed by Vladimir Lenin. The government included the Bolsheviks and the Left Social Revolutionaries. Leonid D. Trotsky became People’s Commissar of Foreign Affairs, A. I. Rykov became Commissioner of Internal Affairs, Lunacharsky Commissar of Education, Skvortsov-Stepanov of Finance, Stalin etc. for Nationalities Affairs. The Committee on Naval Affairs included Antonov-Ovseenko, Krylenko and Dybenko. The All-Russian Central Executive Committee (VTSIK), headed by Chairman Lev Kamenev, became the supreme body of Soviet power (in two weeks Yakov Sverdlov will succeed him).

Already on November 8, the decree of the Revolutionary Military Committee also closed down the first "counter-revolutionary and bourgeois" newspapers - the Exchange News, the Cadet Rech, the Menshevik Day, and several others. The Decree on the Press, published on 9 in November, said that only the press, "calling for open resistance or disobedience to the Workers 'and Peasants' Government," and "sowing distemper by clearly slanderous distortion of facts, are subject to closure. It was pointed out the temporary nature of the closure of newspapers until the situation normalized. November 10 was formed a new, so-called "working" police. On November 11, the Council of People's Commissars adopted a decree on the 8-hour working day and the regulation “On workers 'control”, which was introduced in all enterprises that had hired workers (the owners of the enterprises were obliged to fulfill the requirements of the “workers' control bodies”).


V.I. Lenin, First Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Republic

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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 8 November 2017 07: 28 New
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    The author did not begin to use the "matrix" in the article and other husk and sensible article turned out ...
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 8 November 2017 09: 18 New
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      The author is in the * trend * of trends.
      It is fashionable now to ask questions stupidly, so that the respondent or the reader feels like a fool.
      By October, the temporary and destroyed the state of the Russian Empire and managed to decompose the army and police. So they still began to document the zones of occupation by the Entente countries of the territory of RUSSIA.
      The people in RUSSIA, although illiterate, realized that they were preparing to divide the country into colonies. The ideology of whites was in surrendering RUSSIA to anyone for the opportunity to remain in power, at least as managers. * The whites * were not embarrassed by this idea and even quite themselves discussed which country would be * more convenient * to colonize a particular part of RUSSIA.
      It is also striking that even today scholars from jurisprudence with the ideology of a liberalist with foam at the mouth talk about * legality * temporary and about the * constituent assembly * convened by them *. Those. the conspirators were elevated to the rank of * legal successors * or heirs of the tsarist government, but those who overthrew the conspirators are branded as illegal.
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      2. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 09: 45 New
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        [quote = Basil50] So they still began to document the zones of occupation by the Entente countries of the territory of RUSSIA. [/ quote]
        Curious myth. Maybe you will bring the corresponding document or a link to the archive where it is stored?

        [quote = Basil50] White * were not embarrassed by this idea, and they even quite discussed to themselves which country would be * more convenient * to colonize one or another part of RUSSIA. [quote]
        When and with whom could White discuss such nonsense? With the Martians?
        [quote = Basil50] That is conspirators elevated to the rank of * legal successors * or heirs of the tsarist government, but those who overthrew the conspirators are branded as illegal. [/ quote]
        The conspirators, unlike the Bolshevik invaders, at least took care of the appearance of the legitimacy of their power in the form of two acts: the abdication of the Emperor in favor of V.K. Michael, and Michael himself denied in favor of the upcoming Constituent Assembly.
        As for the stigmatization of the overthrown conspirators of the Bolsheviks ... then, will you extol the robber who will kill the thief who has climbed into your house, but besides burning half of his property, will beat you half to death and abuse your spouse?
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 8 November 2017 21: 50 New
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          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Curious myth. Maybe you will bring the corresponding document or a link to the archive where it is stored?

          What document do you still need ?! No link will replace our ability to analyze the facts that we read!
          As you, for example, such a "myth" as an avid monarchist, this fact will be interesting to you. By the way, not one, even the frostbitten “historian” did not even try to refute him, because - THIS IS THE TRUTH!
          This is when Nicholas II decided to hold a “plebiscite” among the commanders of the fronts and fleets - “abdicate him from the throne or not” and sent the corresponding telegrams.
          The leaders of the fronts at that time:
          Commanders-in-Chief:
          Northern Front - Adjutant General Nikolai Vladimirovich Ruzsky.
          Western - General Adjutant Alexei Ermolaevich Ever
          South West - Adjutant General Alexei Alekseevich Brusilov.
          Romanian - General Vladimir Viktorovich Sakharov.
          Caucasus Front - Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich.
          And all “unanimously told him that“ he dumped to hell, ”even the Grand Duke !!! Only one person“ abstained ”- this is the commander of the Black Sea Fleet Kolchak. He did not send a response telegram, there must have been a zapad ...
          Does this mean anything to you ??!
          This speaks only about one thing - even at the time of the reign of the “innocently killed” Nikolai the Bloody RUSSIA, HOW THE STATE HAS ALREADY BEEN! And the abdication of Nicholas is an attempt to throw a straw of a sinking Russian empire. What then did the Westernist-Westernists during 9 months do with our state - this is not even funny! And it is not surprising that these gentlemen sold the Entente "for parts" to Russia! A roe deer would be mortally wounded, and jackals will always be found - you already believe it!
          Well, everything is naturally GUILTY Bolsheviks, who had to tear this shit out for a long time and tediously!
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 9 November 2017 12: 07 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            Nicholas II decided to hold a “plebiscite” among the commanders of the fronts and fleets - “abdicate him or not” and sent the corresponding telegrams.

            All your pathos collapses from a simple fact. The emperor of such telegramsDid NOT send. hi
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 9 November 2017 12: 13 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              The emperor didn’t send such telegrams

              How did the renunciation go?

              Evgeny Spitsyn: It was all within the framework of the Russian legislation of that time. A number of articles of the Code of Basic State Laws of the Russian Empire, in particular the 37th, 38th and 43rd articles clearly indicated that the sovereign emperor had the right to abdicate not only for himself, but also for his minor son, and then Alexei Nikolaevich was only 12,5 years old. There are memoirs of the Minister of the imperial court and the inheritances of Count Fredericks, where he also confirms that there was an act of renunciation for himself and his son. There are also diary entries of Nicholas II himself, in which he also confirms that he signed the act of abdication. Http: //www.yuri-kuzovkov.ru/journalism/m
              irrow / 33_nikolai2 /
              Do not sign Olgovich again, in your absolute ignorance in a matter in which you do not understand anything.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 10 November 2017 10: 48 New
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                Quote: badens1111
                Quote: Olgovich
                The emperor didn’t send such telegrams

                How did the renunciation go?

                Evgeny Spitsyn: It was all within the framework of the Russian legislation of that time. A number of articles of the Code of Basic State Laws of the Russian Empire, in particular the 37th, 38th and 43rd articles clearly indicated that the sovereign emperor had the right to abdicate not only for himself, but also for his minor son, and then Alexei Nikolaevich was only 12,5 years old. There are memoirs of the Minister of the imperial court and the inheritances of Count Fredericks, where he also confirms that there was an act of renunciation for himself and his son. There are also diary entries of Nicholas II himself, in which he also confirms that he signed the act of abdication. Http: //www.yuri-kuzovkov.ru/journalism/m
                irrow / 33_nikolai2 /
                Do not sign Olgovich again, in your absolute ignorance in a matter in which you do not understand anything.

                What are you about?! fool
                And I'm on TV.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 10 November 2017 11: 29 New
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                  Do not sign Olgovich again, in your absolute ignorance in a matter in which you do not understand anything.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 10 November 2017 12: 12 New
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                    Comrade Biden, once again, the telegram Nikolai did NOT write. this is about. And you substitute the knitting needle. Oh no no no!
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 10 November 2017 16: 24 New
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                      Quote: Olgovich
                      this is about

                      badens1111 7 Today, 11:35 ↑
                      It is a fact.
                      Telegram of Nicholas II to General Alekseev.
                      “To the chief of staff. Rate.
                      1865. You can declare a submitted manifest by marking it with Pskov. 1223. Nikolay. March 2, 5 h. 15 m. "
                      Do not distort nickname, illiterate fake writer.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 11 November 2017 09: 19 New
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                        Quote: badens1111
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        this is about

                        badens1111 7 Today, 11:35 ↑
                        It is a fact.
                        Telegram of Nicholas II to General Alekseev.
                        “To the chief of staff. Rate.
                        1865. You can declare a submitted manifest by marking it with Pskov. 1223. Nikolay. March 2, 5 h. 15 m. "
                        Do not distort nickname, illiterate fake writer.

                        Learn the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, comrade. beedens!
                        we are talking about telegrams sent to Aleksey comforces about their opinions on renunciation. ALEXEEV sent them, not Nikolai! When will it come ?! fool
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 11 November 2017 10: 11 New
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                        The third time I repeat for the rude ignoramus.
                        It is a fact.
                        Telegram of Nicholas II to General Alekseev.
                        “To the chief of staff. Rate.
                        1865. You can declare the submitted manifest by marking it with Pskov. 1223. Nikolay. March 2, 5 h. 15 m. "
            2. Proxima
              Proxima 9 November 2017 16: 03 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: Proxima
              Nicholas II decided to hold a “plebiscite” among the commanders of the fronts and fleets - “abdicate him or not” and sent the corresponding telegrams.

              All your pathos collapses from a simple fact. The emperor of such telegramsDid NOT send. hi

              WHY DO YOU THINK SO!? Well, think a little, if two people participate in the document (the sender and the receiver), then you can somehow hide it, but if there is a “distribution”, that is, tens of people can confirm (or refute) the document, then IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HIDE! Read the notes of the above gentlemen, in particular, A.A. Brusilova.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 10 November 2017 10: 47 New
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                Quote: Proxima
                WHY DO YOU THINK SO!? Well, think a little, if two people participate in the document (the sender and the receiver), then you can somehow hide it, but if there is a “distribution”, that is, tens of people can confirm (or refute) the document, then IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HIDE! Read the notes of the above gentlemen, in particular, A.A. Brusilova.

                Once again: Nikolai did NOT send these telegrams. It is a fact.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 10 November 2017 11: 35 New
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                  It is a fact.
                  Telegram of Nicholas II to General Alekseev.
                  “To the chief of staff. Rate.
                  1865. You can declare a submitted manifest by marking it with Pskov. 1223. Nikolay. March 2, 5 h. 15 m. "
                  Manifesto of the abdication of Nicholas II.
                  Bet.
                  TO THE HEAD OF THE STAFF.
                  In the days of the great struggle with the external enemy, who was striving for almost three years to enslave our homeland, the Lord God was pleased to send Russia a new ordeal. The ongoing internal unrest threatens to adversely affect the further conduct of a stubborn war. The fate of Russia, the honor of the heroic of our army, the good of the people, the whole future of our dear Fatherland require bringing the war at all costs to a victorious end. The cruel enemy strains the last forces, and the hour is near when our valiant army, together with our glorious allies, can finally defeat the enemy. In these decisive days in the life of Russia, we thought it a duty of conscience to facilitate our people close unity and rallying of all the people's forces for the speedy achievement of victory and, in accordance with the State Duma, we recognized for the benefit of renouncing the Throne of the Russian State and resigning the supreme power. Not wanting to part with our beloved son, we pass on the legacy to our brother, our grand duke Mikhail Alexandrovich, and bless him to enter the Throne of the Russian State. We command our brother to rule over state affairs in complete and unbroken unity with representatives of the people in legislative institutions, on the basis that they will be established by taking an unbreakable oath. In the name of our beloved homeland, we urge all the faithful sons of the Fatherland to fulfill their holy duty to him, obey the tsar in a difficult moment of nationwide trials and help him, along with representatives of the people, bring the Russian State onto the path of victory, prosperity and glory. May God help God in Russia.
                  Nikolay G. Pskov.
                  March 2, 15 p.m. 5 minutes. 1917
                  Minister of the Imperial Court General Adjutant Count Fredericks.
                  The telegram of General Alekseev to Nicholas II, transmitted on March 2, 1917, at 14.
                  “I fully submit to your imperial majesty the telegrams I received in the name of your imperial majesty:
                  From the Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich:
                  “Adjutant General Alekseev informs me of an unprecedented fateful situation and asks me to support his view that the victorious end of the war, so necessary for the good and future of Russia and the salvation of the dynasty, is taking super-measure.
                  I, as a loyal subject, consider it my duty of oath and the spirit of oath to kneelfully pray for your Imperial Majesty to save Russia and your heir, knowing your holy love for Russia and him.
                  Having consecrated yourself with the sign of the Cross, pass on to him - your legacy. There is no other way. Like never before in my life, with a particularly ardent prayer I pray to God to strengthen and guide you. Adjutant General Nicholas. ”
                  From Adjutant General Brusilov:
                  “I ask you to report to the Emperor my ever-present request, based on my devotion and love for the homeland and the royal throne, that, at this moment, the only outcome that can save the situation and give the opportunity to continue to fight the external enemy, without which Russia will disappear, refuse from the throne in favor of the sovereign the heir to the Crown Prince under the regency of Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich. There is no other outcome; it is necessary to hurry so that the popular fire that has flared up and has become large has been put out more quickly, otherwise it will entail innumerable catastrophic consequences. This act will also save the dynasty in the person of a legitimate heir. Adjutant General Brusilov. "
                  http://litresp.ru/chitat/ru/%D0%B1/bez-avtora/otr
                  echenie-nikolaya-ii-vospominaniya-ochevidcev / 4
                2. Bastinda
                  Bastinda 18 March 2018 17: 20 New
                  0
                  Yes! He did not know how to work on the telegraph apparatus! So I definitely didn’t send ...
                  Tell me, did you vote for Putin? Interesting?
            3. free
              free 10 March 2018 08: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: Proxima
              Nicholas II decided to hold a “plebiscite” among the commanders of the fronts and fleets - “abdicate him or not” and sent the corresponding telegrams.

              All your pathos collapses from a simple fact. The emperor of such telegramsDid NOT send. hi

              Whether he sent or not one thing was clear, it was necessary to drive the White Guard trash into his neck, which he did, and for that many thanks to the Bolsheviks. And to say that the established power of the people is supposedly illegal because there is no act of transferring power from the tsar / temporary workers is generally stupid. The people threw off his neck centuries-old exploiters what kind of gear in FIG, what are you talking about? fool
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 9 November 2017 12: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Proxima
            This is when Nicholas II decided to hold a “plebiscite” among the commanders of the fronts and fleets - “abdicate him from the throne or not” and sent the corresponding telegrams.

            Read the Multatuli. The man analyzed in detail what was happening during February 21 - March 6, 1917. The test telegrams of the commanders cast a strong doubt on their authenticity. And with a high degree of probability, they were faked by Alekseev at Headquarters or by Ruzsky at the headquarters of the Northern Front.
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 9 November 2017 19: 03 New
              +3
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              The test telegrams of the commanders cast a strong doubt on their authenticity. And with a high degree of probability, they were faked by Alekseev at Headquarters or Ruzsky at the headquarters of the Northern Front.

              You already somehow decide with Olgovich! He claims that:
              Quote: Olgovich
              The emperor of such telegrams isDid NOT send. hi

              You say that telegrams were sent, but the answers were faked belay
              How simple it is for you. You should write scripts for soap operas. And then housewives would not believe you. Do you have any idea in how many instances a telegram of government communication should pass confirmation (in this case, dozens of telegrams)? Ruzsky glued letters on his knee, and the fool Nikolai believed him?request
              winked You yourself are not funny?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 10 November 2017 10: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: Proxima
                You already somehow decide with Olgovich! He claims that:
                Quote: Olgovich
                The emperor didn’t send such telegrams. You say that the telegrams were sent, but the answers were falsified

                Not I say, but history. The answers are not fake. This is also a fact.
                There are pictures of ALL telegrams to and from Stavka, I read them.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 10 November 2017 11: 45 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  There are pictures of ALL telegrams to and from Stavka, I read them.

                  Across and across the leaf?
                  And this is the answer to you from youth.

                  Mariana Naumova wrote well on Echo of Moscow on the occasion of the approaching date.

                  "The Russians had better things to do ...

                  These days, the Great October Socialist Revolution happened a hundred years ago. Ordinary Russian people made history with their own hands. And they did it with the name of Lenin.
                  Therefore, Ilyich is not only a body in the mausoleum.
                  Ilyich is justice. Ilyich is a reminder to all of us that we, the Russians, had more important things to do, much more important than the line for the iPhone, a credit car, Matilda, House-2 in the elections and fairy tales of Navalny.
                  For those who stole these important matters from us, for their daughters, sons, mothers, dads, their babies, for the guard, for the servants and for other goats - Lenin is a personal, personal enemy. After all, all their yachts, planes, servants, banks, offshore and billions - one day everything can turn into a pumpkin, and the huge palaces on Rublevka will become pioneer camps. As already once happened then, in November, a hundred years ago. "
                  https://aloban75.livejournal.com/3734762.html
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 8 November 2017 23: 12 New
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          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          As for the stigmatization of the overthrown conspirators of the Bolsheviks ... then, will you extol the robber who will kill the thief who has climbed into your house, but besides burning half of his property, will beat you half to death and abuse your spouse?

          Lieutenant, are you all right? belay I'm already starting to worry about you. You are a monarchical Troll. wassat
          And whose will you be with emirators? what
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri 9 November 2017 10: 18 New
            +8
            Quote: Stroporez
            And whose will you be with emirators?

            Senior Assistant Junior Janitor! laughing
    2. BAI
      BAI 8 November 2017 10: 57 New
      +6
      The author did not use "matrices" in the article

      What's new here? All the long-known stamps.
      Now, if after the words
      Detachments of revolutionary sailors and Red Guards actually simply entered the Winter Palace from the Hermitage. By two o’clock in the morning, the Provisional Government was arrested, defending the cadet’s palace, women and the disabled partially fled before the assault, and partly laid down their arms.

      it would be added: “And the looting of the palace began, accompanied by acts of vandalism (eyes were cut out from the portraits, leather upholstery was cut out, etc.). Trotsky recalled:“ Wine flowed in streams in the snow ”- a unique collection of wine, worth several MILLION rubles (at that time!). They managed to return the soldiers to the barracks after promising to give out 2 bottles of wine per person. " That would be something new.
      And here it is
      On October 31, a garrison meeting was held in Petrograd (representatives of regiments stationed in the city), most of whose participants spoke in favor of supporting an armed uprising against the Provisional Government if it took place under the leadership of the Petrograd Council. On November 3, representatives of the regiments recognized the Petrograd Soviet as the only legitimate authority.

      it should be added that the decision was not made for ideological reasons, but because the soldiers did not want to comply with Kerensky’s order - "units of the Petrograd garrison should go to the front."
      Now there are a lot of sources of information, on the 100th anniversary of the revolution, a lot of new, previously unknown materials have been published. It was possible to somehow update the standard view of history.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 12: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: BAI
        a unique collection of wine worth several MILLION rubles (that was at that time!) was plundered and destroyed. The soldier was able to return to the barracks after the promise to issue bottles of wine per person by 2. "That would be something new.

        You are not quite right .... although on the principle: "one, two and miscalculated ..."; but such infa still appeared in some places.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 8 November 2017 14: 33 New
          +1
          And about Svechnikov something appeared somewhere?
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 15: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: mat-vey
            And about Svechnikov something appeared somewhere?

            It may have appeared ... but I probably didn’t meet (after all, it’s a “Finnish footprint” - I would remember ...) But 17 was able to read about the massive drunkenness of “revolutionary” soldiers, sailors, and the looting of wine depots ...
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 8 November 2017 15: 31 New
              +1
              Well, if Mikhail Stepanovich Svechnikov “appeared”, then there’s nothing to talk about ... but why the “Finnish trace”? Osovets Hero and the Finnish Trail? squiggle ...
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 15: 56 New
                +1
                I already said that the "17" is a troubled period and therefore difficult to correctly comprehend (a lot of "white spots", "rumors" and silence ...): here are the "Finnish huntsmen" who stormed the Winter ... and their commanders ... then Cheremisov, then Svechnikov M.S.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 8 November 2017 16: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  difficult to comprehend

                  and it depends on what is right ..
            2. badens1111
              badens1111 11 November 2017 10: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              But in the 17th I was able to read about the mass drunkenness of "revolutionary" soldiers, sailors, and the looting of wine depots ...

              Well it is necessary, and read about it?
              Or is the data similar to that given by the historian displeasing you and you do not see them point blank?
              Is it possible to equate the religiosity of the traditional and peasant?

              - Yes.

              - Then how could the peasants participate in the 1917 revolution? After all, it was the peasant majority who supported the Bolsheviks ...
              And just during the First World War, traditional peasant religiosity began to rapidly disappear. She simply does not stand the test of a long, difficult war. When the war lasts three years, the peasants want only one thing - to return home, and we can say that it was these armed people who made the revolution.

              When it’s not clear why people are dying around you, this greatly affects your worldview
              We are talking about all this with a candidate of historical sciences, a senior researcher at the Institute of Russian History of the Russian Academy of Sciences, an employee of the Department of Church History of the History Department of Moscow State University. Lomonosov Elena Belyakova.
              https://cont.ws/@lapsha71/765087
    3. dSK
      dSK 8 November 2017 17: 03 New
      +2
      Every day publication: revolution - the mummy of Lenin, the mummy of Lenin - revolution;
      Who benefits from this?
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 8 November 2017 17: 14 New
        +2
        maybe Kadyrov? Something he perked up ...
    4. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 8 November 2017 21: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      The author did not begin to use the "matrix" in the article and other husk and sensible article turned out ...

      I liked the article, like many other articles by this author. My favorite, about the Stalin Falcons.
      But as for articles that mention paganism and some obscure "" esoteric "" topics, often contradictory (I stop reading them, immediately, practically) ---- I thought this. After all, it may be the articles of some graduate students, students, etc., which the author publishes. After all, such a practice takes place. ????? Or, perhaps, the author is simply trying to study other topics from time to time. ??????
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 8 November 2017 07: 55 New
    +6
    Therefore, the people supported them and they won.

    In no election have the Bolshevik People ever and nowheredid not support.
    Historians know this.
    II All-Russian Congress of Soviets, which opened on November 7 at 22 hours and 40 minutes. in the building of the Smolny Institute. From the ranks of the Deputies, the right-wing Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks and Bundists, having learned of the coup that had begun, left the congress in protest.

    Why not write the TRUTH?
    LEGAL VTSIK appointed by the 1st Congress of Soviets, after he saw HOW the Bolsheviks gathered the 2nd Congress, officially called it "MEETING OF THE Bolsheviks"
    The Bolsheviks were NOT instructed to assemble a congress. This is the business of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, but they collected it. They collected their Bolsheviks, so the All-Russian Central Executive Committee refused to recognize him as a Congress. Such are the "tricks"
    A month later, in Kiev, they tried to crank out the same combination at the Council of Soviets, but people were already in the know and sent their representatives themselves.
    Naturally, the Bolsheviks ended up in MINORITY and were expelled and fled to Kharkov.
    In St. Petersburg, their focus was recognized too late ....
    The Congress of Soviets formed the first so-called "workers 'and peasants' government"

    And again, unbelievingly was created TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT- doUS
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 8 November 2017 08: 29 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      In no elections has the PEOPLE of the Bolsheviks ever supported anywhere.

      So big, but still believe in the sanctity and infallibility of the election? laughing
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 09: 33 New
        +5
        You know, there are rumors among the people that there are countries where there are elections, during which citizens honestly choose their representatives - they exist. Those who live, for example, in Switzerland talk about this. It seems they don’t lie.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 8 November 2017 09: 41 New
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          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          during which citizens honestly choose their representatives - there are

          Are the elections secret? Citizens can and honestly choose, but only citizens have no way to check how their votes are counted - the ballots are faceless and getting into the ballot box it is no longer possible to determine where whose ballot is and who voted. The crowd is given the illusion of elections without a choice.
          This applies to elections both here and not here. The powers that be will never allow a managerially illiterate people to decide both the fate of the country and their fate in particular.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 09: 52 New
            +9
            Quote: Boris55
            This applies to elections both here and not here. The powers that be will never allow a managerially illiterate people to decide both the fate of the country and their fate in particular.

            That's just in Switzerland for some reason it turns out. All important questions of the state’s existence are submitted to referenda, and you know, the Swiss government has never ignored the results of referenda, even those that were not beneficial for the government itself.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 8 November 2017 09: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              and you know, the Swiss government has never ignored the results of referenda

              Secret vote? If so, re-read my post above.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 10: 02 New
                +4
                In other words, you, in the name of your belief in the impossibility of an objective secret ballot, especially with independent observers, prefer to deny the facts of reality that I cited above?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 8 November 2017 10: 41 New
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                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  In other words, you, in the name of your belief in the impossibility of an objective secret ballot, especially with independent observers, prefer to deny the facts of reality that I cited above?

                  You probably go to the polls. At the polling stations there are observers, cameras, and police. Everything is fair here. But tell me, do you know how your vote was personally counted? Can you go to the CEC and check to whom your vote has been cast? No, and I can’t - the ballots are faceless. Well, and how can one believe that it is impossible to verify?
                  We have no political prisoners. We are not persecuted for political beliefs. We do not have any discrimination about this when applying for a job, when traveling abroad, etc. So why is voting secret and secret from whom?
                  Only shoemakers can choose the best shoemaker. The best baker is only bakers. An illiterate people in management cannot choose a competent manager. If people are given management knowledge, then it will become impossible for them to rule. Therefore, the illiterate in the management of the people is given the illusion of choice, but not as the right to choose.
                  And this is not yet considering the role of the media in all this ...
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 12: 23 New
            +7
            Quote: Boris55
            Citizens can and honestly choose, but only citizens have no way to check how their votes are counted - the ballots are faceless and getting into the ballot box it is no longer possible to determine where whose ballot is and who voted. The crowd is given the illusion of elections without a choice.
            This applies to elections both here and not here. The powers that be will never allow a managerially illiterate people to decide both the fate of the country and their fate in particular.

            It's right ! It’s possible to go nearby ... in a year ... commercials, 1996. E.B.N.go's rating was, on the eve of the election, somewhere 2% ... and suddenly .... "a crushing victory"!?!?!? Zyuganov once said that the Communists demanded to show them a dump with ballots; but they were refused, and soon the crypto with ballots was destroyed ...
      2. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 8 November 2017 10: 06 New
        +6
        So big, but still believe in the sanctity and infallibility of the election?

        Elections are not an ideal mechanism. Much vicious. But he has one extremely important function: he allows to achieve public consensus, to avoid bloodshed and civil war.
        This is the oldest form of social interaction, designed to resolve social contradictions without self-destruction.
    2. A.V.S.
      A.V.S. 8 November 2017 08: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      A month later, in Kiev, they tried to crank out the same combination at the Council of Soviets, but people were already in the know and sent their representatives themselves.

      Ukrainians turned out to be more arrogant than the Bolsheviks. Hundreds of delegates gathered from Kiev from the "death chickens", a vilty cossack and just tramps from the high road, they scuffed a mass of Bolshevik deputies. In St. Petersburg, it turned out the other way: a mass of muddy personalities packed in, it was not clear who they were, and a street rabble of sailors-soldiers of the Red Guards. They voted for "All power to the Soviets!"
    3. Finches
      Finches 8 November 2017 09: 14 New
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      Olgovich! My respect hi You must have been greatly offended by the pioneers? laughing Once again you are defending political losers from the Provisional Government - you seem to adhere to historical facts, but you are not interpreting them all the time correctly, or rather, as you would like it to be, but the objective reality is that even if you do not like it - the Bolsheviks they took power into their own hands and held it in spite of foreign intervention, and the unleashing, first of all, of the losers, of the civil war!
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 09: 31 New
        +8
        Hello, Mr. Zyablitsov! The Bolsheviks unleashed the civil war just by carrying out an armed seizure of power and shooting peaceful demonstrations in support of the Constituent Assembly. The Bolsheviks simply ignored the will of the people who voted for the deputies of the CSS. They behaved like natural gangsters, like Bandera in Ukraine in February 2014 - they also "took power into their own hands." Has power become legitimate from this?
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 8 November 2017 10: 50 New
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          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          The Bolsheviks unleashed the civil war just by carrying out an armed seizure of power and shooting peaceful demonstrations in support of the Constituent Assembly. The Bolsheviks simply ignored the will of the people who voted for the deputies of the CSS.

          Cool phrase. If you replace the word "Bolsheviks" with "democrats", the CSS - "preserving the integrity of the USSR", then this masterpiece can be knocked out without changes in granite letters at the Yeltsin Center))))))))))))))))))
          But as always, who cares about the affairs of bygone affairs of 25 years ago. It is much more interesting to wash the bones to the Bolsheviks from the year 1917, close and dear to us.
          Teterin, you are enchanting as always! I love you! laughing
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 11: 23 New
            +5
            Quote: Alex_59
            then this masterpiece without changes can be embossed in granite letters at the Yeltsin Center))))))))))))))))))

            As the people say: "Who is talking about, but lousy about the bath." The article is devoted to the Bolshevik coup, and not to acts member of the CPSU Yeltsin. Although, given the fact that the Bolsheviks, whose successor was the CPSU, were the first to practice the armed seizure of power and execution of the undesirable, Yeltsin was a worthy student of Bolshevik ideology.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 8 November 2017 11: 34 New
              +9
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              then Yeltsin is quite a worthy student of Bolshevik ideology.

              Like Lenin, a student of the tsarist system of educating man and the creation of pre-revolutionary society (like everyone who became Bolsheviks). The connection of times, the continuity of the course of history. Yes, I agree.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 11: 50 New
                +6
                Quote: Alex_59
                Like Lenin, a student of the tsarist system of education of man and the creation of pre-revolutionary society

                Funny joke. Only not quite true. Mr. Ulyanov violently hated both the tsarist education system and the society of Imperial Russia itself. And he did not hide this, nor did he hide the fact that he had learned far from Marxist nonsense in a gymnasium. So do not blame Imperial Russia for having given birth to Ulyanov. Ulyanov - the offspring of delusional Marxist ideology and the society and culture of old Russia was deeply alien. Unlike Yeltsin, who spent his whole life in the USSR, he grew up and studied in Soviet society and made a career in the CPSU, where, apparently, he acquired the trait traditional for all communists - indefatigable love of power and contempt for the interests of the people.
                1. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 8 November 2017 13: 39 New
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                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Mr. Ulyanov violently hated both the tsarist education system and the society of Imperial Russia itself.

                  You never know who there hated. They usually hate for something. For something bad, they usually hate it. Since I don’t read fantasy and don’t believe in fairy tales, most likely, since in tsarist Russia there are so many people who hate this very tsarist Russia, then tsarist Russia probably deserves it. Moreover, there a good part of these revolutionaries are quite nobles. And especially in this light the emperor looks lousy - the defender of the people. He did not master the defense of his state and his people from the evil troll Bolsheviks. Forgive me if the commander-in-chief built such a control and security system that they calmly remove him, and then some other Bolsheviks arrange a coup ... well, this is clearly the commander’s fault. Well, rest in peace, our hero. The result is predictable. Everything is logical.
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  So do not blame Imperial Russia for giving birth to Ulyanov

                  And who to blame? Lenin teleported to Russia from the planet Sirius or what? What nonsense ... And the rest, where did such a crowd come from? Hypocrisy! All yours, family! They themselves brought up. Sami received.
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Unlike Yeltsin, who spent his whole life in the USSR

                  Well, the Bolsheviks spent their whole lives in RI. Everything is different. Someone made a career, someone did not. Like the "democrats."
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 15: 03 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    And especially in this light the emperor looks lousy - the defender of the people. He did not master the defense of his state and his people from the evil troll Bolsheviks.

                    To begin with, the Emperor was overthrown by a group of conspirators within the elite of the Empire. Not his first and not his last. Julius Caesar also betrayed his own, he, in your opinion, "looks lousy"? And Dzhugashvili was abandoned for death without medical assistance. And he, too - "did not master the defense"?
                    In 1917, not a single adequate person could have foreseen betrayal by the army elite - people who owe everything to the Emperor personally. And Nicholas II was precisely that he was an adequate person, and not paranoid.
                    And they "cleaned" him not calmly, but with a large-scale conspiracy and tension of forces. If not for the bastard Ruzsky, then Guchkova and Co. would hang out on the gallows.
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Well, the Bolsheviks spent their whole lives in RI. Everything is different. Someone made a career, someone did not. Like the "democrats."

                    Yes, of course all my life. Especially Ulyanov, who had been in exile since 1900, Trotsky, who came from Canada, Kamenev, Zinoviev, Krupskaya — they just did not live in Russia, moreover, for ten or more years.
                    And further. There is no need to compare the educational systems of Russia and the USSR, since in Russia an ideologizing element like the "October", "pioneers" and "Komsomol" was absent completely.
                    1. Alex_59
                      Alex_59 8 November 2017 15: 32 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      To begin with, the Emperor was overthrown by a group of conspirators within the elite of the Empire.

                      The USSR also collapsed a group of conspirators. It happens. Nobody cares.
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      And he, too - "did not master the defense"?

                      Not. After him, the country did not fall apart.
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      No need to compare the training systems of Russia and the USSR

                      I am not talking about a training system. I am about society as a whole, more broadly. We are a product of our society. If it is customary to call "your highness", then you are brought up on this. If it is customary for sailors to be flogged for misconduct, then you are brought up on this. And then you are either against it, or for it. Society in tsarist Russia was organized in such a way that it developed its own foundations of foreign members who considered these foundations terrible, and decided to fight it. At the same time, there was no mechanism of protection against such members in society. Therefore, the Bolsheviks are an organic continuation of the culture and society of that era. Without this society, the Bolsheviks would not have appeared as a serious political phenomenon, as night is impossible, without day. Absolutely the same is true for the late USSR, in which society degraded to a similar position. In such cases, it is customary to remove the accumulated contradiction in timely reforms (for this, strong and understanding real problems of power are needed), after which there is simply no way for the revolutionaries to damn water, because everyone is happy and happy, and society rejects or assimilates such members. They turn into lumpen. Like today, for example, supporters of Navalny are lumpenes, because in our society social consensus has been reached on the problems that he raises and most people do not respond to his rhetoric. Neither Nikolai the second nor Gorbachev understood the essence of the contradictions taking place in their country and did not accept adequate reforms that could knock out the foundations for protest from the feet of possible conspirators.
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Especially Ulyanov, who was in exile hanging out with 1900

                      Until 1900, where did he hang out?
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Trotsky, who came from Canada, Kamenev, Zinoviev, Krupskaya
                      Will you list only those revolutionaries who are conveniently suited to your calculations because of some stay abroad? Or were there others, also Bolsheviks, but who didn’t leave anywhere?
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 17: 45 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        Until 1900, where did he hang out?

                        Obviously in Russia. But what he did in exile, on what people he worked there and what ideas he fed on, is a separate conversation.
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        Or were there others, also Bolsheviks, but who didn’t leave anywhere?

                        But doesn’t it bother you that for the most part these “not leaving” were young people who are characterized by maximalism and who are easy to fool?
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        Therefore, the Bolsheviks are an organic continuation of the culture and society of that era. Without this society, the Bolsheviks would not have appeared as a serious political phenomenon, as night is impossible, without day.

                        Chic excuse! In the spirit of a burglar declaring: “Citizen is the boss, he is guilty! Why is he wandering around the district at night with his wallet!”
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 9 November 2017 12: 18 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      To begin with, the Emperor was overthrown by a group of conspirators within the elite of the Empire.

                      Dear Lieutenant, study the chronology of events: on February 27, the Cabinet of Ministers was dispersed, the Petrosoviet was created, and then VKGD. The 28th power in the capital is near the Council and the committee. Railways are NOT subordinate to the Headquarters and the Sovereign.
                      И March 2 only Aleskeev asked the confrontations about abdication; it was NOT a conspiracy, but a REACTION to the situation in order to calm her down.
            2. Looking for
              Looking for 8 November 2017 16: 24 New
              +8
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Quote: Alex_59
              then this masterpiece without changes can be embossed in granite letters at the Yeltsin Center))))))))))))))))))

              As the people say: "Who is talking about, but lousy about the bath." The article is devoted to the Bolshevik coup, and not to acts member of the CPSU Yeltsin. Although, given the fact that the Bolsheviks, whose successor was the CPSU, were the first to practice the armed seizure of power and execution of the undesirable, Yeltsin was a worthy student of Bolshevik ideology.

              Well, this practice is rooted in the deep past of Russia. And it has been used repeatedly. And by the way, the "Red Terror" was only a forced response of the Bolsheviks to the "WHITE TERROR." Therefore, you would walk.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 17: 51 New
                +4
                Mr. Ham, I didn’t drink with you at Brudershaft, and I don’t intend to do this, so please be polite in the dialogue and not “poke” a stranger.
                Quote: Seeker
                And by the way, the "Red Terror" was only a forced response of the Bolsheviks.
                --This is a well-known lie, because "white terror" as an organized policy never existed, but the red terror, even before its execution by a corresponding "decree", was. Alekseev’s volunteer army was just forming on the Don in January-February 1918, and the blood of officers and all those who disagreed with the lawlessness of the Bolsheviks was already pouring in. https://rusk.ru/st.php?idar=70606
                And phrases like
                Quote: Seeker
                Therefore, you would walk.
                save for friends from the gateway. Military Review is a civilized forum, people don’t communicate like that here.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 10 November 2017 22: 13 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  "Military Review" - a civilized forum,

                  Well, yes, yes, yes ... that's why you are civilized so, calmly, they say that you are lying, distorting at every step and in every comment. The juggling of facts, to suit your conclusions, does not make your point of view true.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 8 November 2017 11: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        Olgovich! My respect hi You must have been greatly offended by the pioneers? laughing Once again you are defending political losers from the Provisional Government - you seem to adhere to historical facts, but you are not interpreting them all the time correctly, or rather, as you would like it to be, but the objective reality is that even if you do not like it - the Bolsheviks they took power into their own hands and held it in spite of foreign intervention, and the unleashing, first of all, of the losers, of the civil war!

        Good morning, Eugene! hi
        In the pioneers he was the chairman of the detachment council, squads, who could offend me? belay
        Interpreting the facts, both of us, not just me, this is natural. And the Bolsheviks took power, who argues?
        But this, like the dispersal of the US, Brest shame-led to Gr. the war.
        And so it was always and everywhere in the world-not only in Russia: the overthrow of some leads to the opposition of others ..
        The chance was in the CSS recognized by ALL, both domestically and abroad.
        The Bolsheviks spat on everyone: on millions of dissenting inside, on allies, on the country's obligations, on their governments.
        What is one reason why the Bolsheviks should not have received the same answer? request request
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 November 2017 12: 32 New
          12
          Olgovich! I don’t want to discuss and argue today, I’ll write a little abstract about yesterday, without any conclusions - I have a team, senior officers, reserve officers .., many past Afghanistan and Chechnya, all members of the CPSU, not a single renegade, like Yeltsin, all saved party cards. The men naturally laid the table in honor of the 100th Great Socialist October Revolution, there was among us a representative of military counterintelligence, who allegedly recited as a joke:"Comrade, believe it will pass, and democracy and publicity, and then the state security will remember your names." laughing
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 8 November 2017 13: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            Olgovich! I don’t want to discuss and argue today, I’ll write a little abstract about yesterday, without any conclusions - I have a team, senior officers, reserve officers .., many past Afghanistan and Chechnya, all members of the CPSU, not a single renegade, like Yeltsin, all saved party cards. The men naturally laid the table in honor of the 100th Great Socialist October Revolution, there was among us a representative of military counterintelligence, who allegedly recited as a joke:"Comrade, believe it will pass, and democracy and publicity, and then the state security will remember your names." laughing

            Eugene, there was such a holiday, it was! And very bright, which was believed with all my heart!
            The greater was the disappointment with the bitter truth.
            All the same, with the Holiday, since the fairy tale has remained! hi
            1. Finches
              Finches 8 November 2017 13: 28 New
              +9
              Thank you I will tell you so - not a fairy tale! The people, people, human civilization itself was not ready, and still is not ready to understand the essence of philosophical thought - Socialism and even more so Communism! We have not grown yet ... Human thought in this direction has gone far ahead, and people have not yet evolved in reality in order to understand the deep essence of this social doctrine. By the way, ordinary hard workers of the West and office plankton should go to Lenin twice a day — if he hadn’t shown the capitalists an alternative, they would still have slept under boilers without any social guarantees and good salaries ... So here it is, Olgovich! hi
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 8 November 2017 14: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                if he had not shown the capitalists an alternative, they would still not have slept under the boilers without any social guarantees and good salaries.

                Here they had nothing to fear: they had EVERYTHING better: and the workers ate better and earned more. A lot more. Is always.
                Here are the Cominterns-exporters of revolutions — yes, they were afraid — like the Isis today. hi
                1. Finches
                  Finches 8 November 2017 14: 28 New
                  +4
                  Yes, stop casting you. I don’t want to argue! They earned ... For a plate of pottage worked - even in their "Hollywood" films show this ... Okay, have a nice day!
                2. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 8 November 2017 15: 56 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Here they had nothing to fear: they had EVERYTHING better: and the workers ate better and earned more. A lot more. Is always.

                  Yeah, always. Pomnitsa, workers of the Ford plant were given the salary by lead - from the "Tommy Ghans" of the guard.
                  And how dashing MacArthur, Eisenhower and Patton broke up the march of American WWI veterans - with sabers, bayonets and adamsite. And after that, they also rolled out the veterans' camp near Washington with tanks.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 9 November 2017 12: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Yeah, always.

                    Exactly what always.
                    And before the October coup, and only after it, it’s FUNNY to compare
          2. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 8 November 2017 20: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            The men naturally laid the table in honor of 100 - I was of the Great Socialist October Revolution, there was among us a representative of the military counterintelligence, who allegedly proclaimed jokingly: "Comrade, believe it will pass, and democracy and publicity, and then the state security will remember your names."

            good good good
            Yesterday at work I sent everyone home, with the words: "Today is a real holiday!" and also celebrated!
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 8 November 2017 09: 18 New
      +6
      Congress lol D. Soviets formed the first so-called "workers 'and peasants' government"

      The so-called-that's it for sure! For the "workers 'and peasants' government" consisted of 40% of .... nobles! And the workers, as many as 1 (one) Hatter.
      The rest of the members, never, anywhere, did not work for anyone, they did not manage to earn a living (in 40-50 years old) .....
      The career of the entire composition of the Council of People's Commissars of October 26 is absolutely deserved and logical: ALL of them in 1937 Stalin shot.

      PS is still a nuance: the Congress was workers 'and soldiers' deputies (without peasants it is 8% of the country), but created a working ...peasant lol government. Creative PR move
      The supreme body of Soviet power was the All-Russian Central Executive Committee (All-Russian Central Executive Committee), headed by chairman Lev Kamenev (two weeks later he will be replaced by Yakov Sverdlov).

      Another detail: the PRESIDIUM of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee was created as part of the following Russian Communists:
      Yeshua-Solomon Movshevich,
      Ovshiy Moiseevich Nakhamkis,
      Leo Rosenfeld,
      Dzerzhinsky
      Knock
      yes
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 8 November 2017 22: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        The congress was the workers 'and soldiers' deputies

        But did the soldiers and workers in Russia consist of Martians?
        Quote: Olgovich
        Another detail: the PRESIDIUM VTsiK was created as part of

        The All-Russian Central Executive Committee, elected by the Second All-Russian Congress of Soviets on October 25-27 (November 7-9), 1917, included 62 Bolsheviks, 29 Left Social Revolutionaries, 6 Social Democrats-Internationalists, 3 Ukrainian Socialists, 1 Socialist-Revolutionary Maximalist.
        Well, which of them is who, and in general, what does this have to do with the situation? Moldavian was not there, is that sadness or something?
        In November 1917, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets of Peasant Deputies merged. The united All-Russian Central Executive Committee included 108 members of the peasant Executive Committee: 82 Left Socialist Revolutionaries, 16 Bolsheviks, 3 Socialist-Revolutionary Socialist-Revolutionaries, 1 Menshevik-internationalist, 1 Anarchist, and 5 "others." As a result, the Left Socialist Revolutionaries in the Central Executive Committee turned out to be more than the Bolsheviks.

        According to a decision made back in June, 80 representatives of the army, 20 representatives of the fleet and 50 representatives of trade unions were additionally included in the All-Russian Central Executive Committee. Since November 25, the Bolsheviks again made up the majority of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee.

        In January 1918, the Third All-Russian Congress of Soviets of Workers, Soldiers, Peasants and Cossack Deputies elected the All-Russian Central Executive Committee consisting of 326 people, including 169 Bolsheviks, 132 Left Social Revolutionaries, 5 Socialist-Revolutionaries, Maximalists, 5 Right Socialist Revolutionaries, 4 Anarchists, 4 Menshevik-Internationalists, 2 Mensheviks
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 9 November 2017 12: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: badens1111
          But did the soldiers and workers in Russia consist of Martians?

          So who did WORKERS consist of? lol fool
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 10 November 2017 22: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            So who did WORKERS consist of?

            Of recent peasants, if you do not understand this.
            Even worse, you don’t understand how and what the society and its classes were in percentage and numerical terms.
  3. A.V.S.
    A.V.S. 8 November 2017 08: 21 New
    +8
    Why did the Communists win the Civil War:
    1)system of power, which they called the "dictatorship of the proletariat".This is the most brutal despotism, leaving the population only two choices: humble themselves or die.
    2) Punitive policy - "terror" - on a statewide scale. No one could be guaranteed from repression: neither the Tambov peasants, nor the Izhevsk workers, nor fanatical revolutionaries like Makhno, nor the red commanders like Dumenko and Mironov. The communist terror was merciless and unlimited.
    3) frantic all-at-once propaganda.The communists promised immediately all the benefits, without restrictions on resources and logic. The workers did not work hard and earn a lot, peasants land Cossacks, Cossacks landowners, Azerbaijanis the land of Armenians, Armenians respectively villages of Azerbaijanis. A man who believed that communism would come in ten years was insulted as hidden counterrevolutionary. Happiness was promised immediately; all that was needed was to kill the bourgeois, the “whites” and other opponents of the Soviet regime.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 8 November 2017 11: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: A.W.S.
      .The Communists promised immediately all the benefits, without restrictions on resources and logic. Workers have to work hard and earn a lot, peasants land Cossacks, Cossacks landowners, Azerbaijanis land Armenians, Armenians, respectively, villages of Azerbaijanis ..

      And even the peasant women you want (socialization of women)
      "
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 8 November 2017 22: 15 New
      +5
      Quote: A.W.S.
      Happiness was promised immediately, it was only necessary to kill the bourgeois, the “whites”

      Lying.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 9 November 2017 12: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: badens1111
        Quote: A.W.S.
        Happiness was promised immediately, it was only necessary to kill the bourgeois, the “whites”

        Lying.

        True, yes!
    3. free
      free 10 March 2018 08: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: A.W.S.
      Why did the Communists win the Civil War:
      1)system of power, which they called the "dictatorship of the proletariat".This is the most brutal despotism, leaving the population only two choices: humble themselves or die.
      2) Punitive policy - "terror" - on a statewide scale. No one could be guaranteed from repression: neither the Tambov peasants, nor the Izhevsk workers, nor fanatical revolutionaries like Makhno, nor the red commanders like Dumenko and Mironov. The communist terror was merciless and unlimited.
      3) frantic all-at-once propaganda.The communists promised immediately all the benefits, without restrictions on resources and logic. The workers did not work hard and earn a lot, peasants land Cossacks, Cossacks landowners, Azerbaijanis the land of Armenians, Armenians respectively villages of Azerbaijanis. A man who believed that communism would come in ten years was insulted as hidden counterrevolutionary. Happiness was promised immediately; all that was needed was to kill the bourgeois, the “whites” and other opponents of the Soviet regime.

      Bullshit!
  4. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 8 November 2017 08: 38 New
    +8
    Why did the Bolsheviks defeat

    Because they used such methods that others would disdain to seize and hold power: terror, massacres, taking and shooting hostages, using chemical weapons against their citizens. And all because being internationalists (more precisely, even internationalists will say) they did not spare either Russia or the Russian people - for them it is simply fuel for igniting the world revolution and building a zemshar republic of councils.
    And yes, it should be recalled that the Bolsheviks lost the election, no one elected them, they seized power by force of arms, and kept it with terror and mass killings.
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 November 2017 08: 43 New
    11
    This is not to the author, this is to commentators, But people criticizing the Bolsheviks, at least say a word in defense of the current government. All that the Bolsheviks reproach is now several times worse.
    Firstly, the current government came on a clear deception. Ah well, Lenin and Stalin are twins, and Yeltsin and Putin are from different galaxies. Well, no, Putin is a faithful Yeltsin.
    As for the elections, the current imitation is worse than that of the Communists.
    1. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 8 November 2017 08: 57 New
      +6
      This is not to the author, this is to commentators, But people criticizing the Bolsheviks, at least say a word in defense of the current government. All that the Bolsheviks reproach is now several times worse.

      Oh, and where did this current power come from? From the planet Nibiru? No. Through one come from the Communist Party or the KGB. The insanely talented Russian writer and publicist Ivan Lukyanovich Solonevich perfectly spoke about the genesis of this power:
      https://www.sakharov-center.ru/asfcd/auth/?t=page
      & num = 12253
      So, to be a “Bolshevik revolutionary” in 2017 means to be a monarchist, Black Hundred, sympathizer of the white cause and anti-communist.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 November 2017 11: 43 New
        +4
        where did this current power come from?
        Do not even try to find out how many people from the Duma from the tsarist generals were in the government and the Supreme Council of the Union.
        And then it’s ridiculous to blame the Communists for everything, you probably the Communists invited the Mongol-Tatars and Poles? And in 1945, the St. George troops of the Emperor Romanov defeated?
        1. Dzmicer
          Dzmicer 8 November 2017 12: 03 New
          +5
          Do not even try to find out how many people from the Duma from the tsarist generals were in the government and the Supreme Council of the Union.

          Do not make me laugh. The Soviet occupation power consistently destroyed the "former", preserving perhaps only the "specialists", without whom it was completely impossible.
          And then it’s ridiculous to blame the Communists for everything, you probably the Communists invited the Mongol-Tatars and Poles?

          Nobody “blames” the hogweeds for anything. Just something in the genocide of the Russian people.
          And in 1945, the St. George troops of the Emperor Romanov defeated?

          In 1945, the Russians defeated. Not thanks, but contrary to the Bolshevik dictatorship, at the cost of tremendous human losses.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 8 November 2017 12: 23 New
            +9
            Do not make me laugh.
            I’m not laughing, it seems the history of the country you learned from the Gorbachev perestroika press.
            Just something in the genocide of the Russian people.
            Under the Soviets, the Russians bred and multiplied. But under democracy, it even declines without statistics, with the naked eye it is noticeable.
            Not thanks, but in spite of
            Yeah, yeah, that’s exactly how the Bolsheviks put machine guns, so that the Russians didn’t go to the front, and the Russians seeped in and won, although the Bolsheviks really resisted. Stalin even ordered five hundred million to be put in camps so that they would not go to the front, but alas ...
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 8 November 2017 12: 31 New
              +6
              He studies the history of the country according to Ukrainian patterns; there, too, the USSR attacked Ukraine. The thesis, “won against”, arose a little earlier, at the end of the 80's. Is it necessary to say where these pearls come from this conductor?
            2. Dzmicer
              Dzmicer 8 November 2017 12: 36 New
              +4
              Under the Soviets, the Russians bred and multiplied. But under democracy, it even declines without statistics, with the naked eye it is noticeable.

              The beginning of the 140th century - the population of the Republic of Ingushetia is 1 million people. The beginning of the 140st century - the population of the Russian Federation - XNUMX million people. Where is GROWTH? During the same time, the US population has tripled if memory serves.
              Yeah, yeah, that’s exactly how the Bolsheviks put machine guns, so that the Russians didn’t go to the front, and the Russians seeped in and won, although the Bolsheviks really resisted. Stalin even ordered five hundred million to be put in camps so that they would not go to the front, but alas ...

              The Russians began to fight after:
              - understood that German captivity is certain death (before that, 3,5 million people had been surrendered in the first months of the war);
              - the panicked Bolsheviks returned the epaulettes and allowed "great-power Russian chauvinism" with love for their Fatherland - Russia, which they began to identify with the USSR (according to the precepts of Trotsky-Bronstein, who wrote that the Russian soldier would not fight in the interests of the world revolution, so he needs to be convinced that he is fighting for Russia is the root, the core of National Bolshevism)
              After the victory, some had the illusory hope that the USSR was not an anti-Russian state and that the Russians could now even create their own, Russian, communist party. Dyrapakov was killed, having returned the abolished death penalty.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 8 November 2017 12: 44 New
                +7
                RI population is 140 million people. The beginning of the 1st century - the population of the Russian Federation - 140 million people.
                I will reveal a terrible secret, only shhh, to anyone. The Russian Empire and the Union, both in area and population, are one state, but Russia is a financial stub from those territories.
                Russians started to fight
                As you famously ALL Russian mud then smeared.
                1. Dzmicer
                  Dzmicer 8 November 2017 12: 50 New
                  +3
                  I will reveal a terrible secret, only shhh, to anyone. The Russian Empire and the Union, both in area and population, are one state, but Russia is a financial stub from those territories.

                  The population of the RSFSR - the forerunner of the resource federation - not to say that it grew significantly.
                  As you famously ALL Russian mud then smeared.

                  What is shameful that the Russians did not want to die for an anti-Russian state that robbed and tormented them in every way?
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 8 November 2017 13: 29 New
                    +3
                    The population of the RSFSR - the predecessor of the resource federation
                    define an empire predecessor or something else.
                    Russians didn’t want to die for an anti-Russian state,
                    Obviously our Syria and die there is not shameful? And that under the current government, the country has become more Russian?
                    1. Dzmicer
                      Dzmicer 8 November 2017 13: 53 New
                      +4
                      define an empire predecessor or something else.

                      The Russian Federation is a state within the administrative borders of the RSFSR, and therefore its successor. It is self-calling Russia, not being such (well, what can Russia be without Little Russia and Belarus, but with South Ossetia or Dagestan? Ingushetia is originally Russian land, but Mogilev Oblast is not? Funny)
                      Obviously our Syria and die there is not shameful?

                      It’s not ours, it’s not shameful to die - because there is nothing shameful in being a mercenary. You just need to be honest and not pretend that you are defending your homeland when you just work out the money)
                      And that under the current government, the country has become more Russian?

                      The Russian Federation (like Ukraine with Belarus and all post-Soviet countries) is a huge monument to Ilyich and his crazy (if you consider him the ruler of Russia) or brilliant (if you consider him as a spy of a foreign state and wrecker) national policy. And this policy is more alive than all living things. Even today, she continues to kill Russians in Donetsk and Lugansk, a hundred years after the enemies of Russia and all Russian came to power.
                  2. badens1111
                    badens1111 8 November 2017 13: 43 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Dzmicer
                    What is shameful that the Russians did not want to die for an anti-Russian state that robbed and tormented them in every way?

                    Is this your type of Vlasov and Krasnodar, Bandera? Well, yes, these Judas, the USSR was not nice, but the trouble is, the USSR defeated their masters at that time, and a little earlier than any whites from among ANTANTA’s servants.
                    1. Dzmicer
                      Dzmicer 8 November 2017 13: 56 New
                      +5
                      This is yours .. type of Vlasov and Krasnovites, Bandera?

                      Where did you get the idea that these are "mine"? Especially the Soviet General Vlasov, a participant in the civil war on the side of the enemies of Russia?
                      Mine is Drozdovsky. Mine is Keller. Mine - this is the last legitimate ruler of Russia, the Sovereign Emperor All-Russian Nicholas II.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 8 November 2017 13: 59 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Dzmicer
                        Mine is Drozdovsky. Mine is Keller. Mine - this is the last legitimate ruler of Russia, the Sovereign Emperor All-Russian Nicholas II.

                        Go to school.
                        He who surrendered the throne as a stool that no one needs, and the empire as a squadron, is not the king, but a rag no one needs, and your Drozdovskys, Kellers and the like are the murderers of the Russian working people.
  6. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 8 November 2017 09: 24 New
    +8
    In 1917, the Bolsheviks won because they were supported by the popular masses either actively or silently approving. They had clear, understandable goals. In general, there are objective laws of the development of society. The law of the revolutionary situation: the tops cannot live the old way, the lower classes do not want. This situation was in 1917.
    1. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 8 November 2017 09: 48 New
      +7
      In 1917, the Bolsheviks won because they were supported by the popular masses either actively or silently approving.

      Very funny. If the "popular masses" supported them, then why did the Bolsheviks lose the constituent assembly elections?
      The masses supported the Socialist-Revolutionaries. Which the hogweeds have plucked out. Like everyone who stood in their way, be it Russian officers, merchants, clergy or the peasantry.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 8 November 2017 13: 42 New
        +6
        Quote: Dzmicer
        The masses supported the Socialist-Revolutionaries. Which the hogweeds have plucked out. Like everyone who stood in their way, be it Russian officers, merchants, clergy or the peasantry.

        Oh, well ... is that right? And why didn’t the country go for the Socialist-Revolutionaries? Not for the long-mannered and officers officers from the Constituent School and Komuch?
        That's why she went. That for the Bolsheviks she saw the Truth.
        1. Dzmicer
          Dzmicer 8 November 2017 13: 58 New
          +4
          What truth, mane? That there is no god? What is no Sin? What is all allowed?
          Burn it in hellfire so true. Together with its carriers.
          It’s good that there is no King.
          It’s good that there is no Russia.
          It’s good that there is no God.

          Only the yellow dawn
          Only icy stars
          Only millions of years.

          Well - that nobody
          Well - that’s nothing,
          So black and so dead

          What can't be dead
          And never be blacker
          That no one will help us
          And do not help.
  7. Alex_59
    Alex_59 8 November 2017 09: 26 New
    +5
    The Soviet project is considered failed, forgetting in what conditions its implementation took place. This constant pressure from the outside, accompanied by attempts to complete destruction. This is the second world war, it is a cold war imposed from the outside with exhausting the economy of the USSR. This is ideological pressure. In fact, the USSR proposed to mankind a development model that caused a sharp rejection of the leading economies of the world, and which with all their strength fell on the USSR. What do we see in the end? The USSR lasted 70 years, survived the most terrible war in the history of mankind, and in a number of areas became the leader of world scientific and cultural thought. Tell me, is it possible that something like that would be done with some other country (WWII, the Cold War, the constant pressure of the world's strongest economies), and this country would not only withstand 70 years, but also become a leader? There are no such countries.
    Yes, in Sweden or Belgium life is much better arranged, it is comfortable to live there, there is real socialism that has taken place. But they have not been tried for 70 years to constantly destroy! If the USSR existed in the same conditions in which Sweden exists? What would happen then?
    Indirectly, this is confirmed by another example. Behind the shoulders of the USSR, a socialist heir grew up - China. Its formation was supported by the USSR, and occurred in an era when the tip of pressure was directed at the USSR. Those. in fact, the USSR provided the period of maturation of the Chinese model of socialism, drawing the main attention and forces of the adversaries onto itself. We see the result. China has broken into world leaders. On all fronts, including the well-being of its citizens, which will soon be no worse than in the United States. And now, on the whole, it’s no worse than ours. What would happen if the USSR had such an opportunity to develop without shocks? I think the answer is clear.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 8 November 2017 11: 12 New
      +2
      China grew by 90% of the world's REM stocks! The USSR also provided them to China?
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 8 November 2017 13: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        China grew by 90% of the world's REM stocks! The USSR also provided them to China?

        The USSR TEACHED how to use resources, learned the initial number of engineers and scientists, are you not in the middle of it?
      2. Seal
        Seal 9 November 2017 14: 38 New
        +2
        China grew up because by the end of the 20th century it came up with huge and very disciplined "labor reserves" of one billion people, ready to work 24 hours a day for mere pennies. For under Mao Tse Dong they didn’t get even these cents. But the fact that China managed to survive during 1949-1979 - This is entirely our merit. It was the USSR that first liberated China, and then covered China at first with its nuclear umbrella, and then transferred to China the technology of manufacturing nuclear weapons.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 8 November 2017 11: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Alex_59
      The Soviet project is considered failed, forgetting in what conditions its implementation took place. This constant pressure from the outside, accompanied by attempts to complete destruction.

      NOBODY of these "sufferers" who can’t build, did NOT ask FOR ANYTHING.
      The people said their word, giving power NOT to them!
      You yourself wouldn’t even trust them to build a courtyard toilet: they NEVER built ANYTHING and did NOT know ANYTHING (never worked by anyone)!

      They say: "So something did happen!"
      Yeah ...
      So the peasant will be able to transplant hearts: he will kill ten people and get .....
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 8 November 2017 12: 12 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        NOBODY of these "sufferers" who can’t build, did NOT ask FOR ANYTHING.

        Ahahahaha !! Olgovich, admit that you built in life?
        What have you made remarkable in life?
        What, apart from your libels here, will remain after you?
        And after the USSR, you with 91 cannot eat what the USSR built.
        Quote: Olgovich
        The people said their word, giving power NOT to them!

        What kind of people and whom they did not give power to, in 1922 it was firmly told, not to you. The counter-revolution 91-93-not the people decided the fate of the country.
        Quote: Olgovich
        You yourself wouldn’t even trust them to build a courtyard toilet: they NEVER built ANYTHING and did NOT know ANYTHING (never worked by anyone)!

        Oh ... Olgovich ... here you would be allowed to build, however, a closet next to it. To serve it, you would have provided the same, because of your passion, delve into black and give it up the mountain.
        Quote: Olgovich
        So the peasant will be able to transplant hearts: he will kill ten people and get .....

        This is what you described yourself .. yes, there’s nowhere more self-critical. But the trouble, like that notorious peasant, you even performed hundreds of thousands of times as you think the “operation”, as you were illiterate in business, so they will remain, for such a CASE you need talent and knowledge, and you have neither one nor the other. Just a passion to lie, distort, pull various rubbish out of long-abandoned garbage dumps and creak with clave giving all this as dubious revelations
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 8 November 2017 13: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: badens1111
          Ahahahaha !! Olgovich, admit that you built in life?
          What have you made remarkable in life?
          What, apart from your libels here, will remain after you?

          My friend! You, as always. finger hit the sky! lol .
          I am an officer-military builder: the list of TAM that I built and on a civilian is extremely long. A small town in total, with all the coms I have and will last a long time! As well as communication nodes (space too), controls, paths, boxes, etc. yes
          Quote: badens1111
          What people and to whom did not give power,

          RUSSIAN people, friend, Russian! In 1918, you-ride. There were NOT more choices.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 8 November 2017 13: 16 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            My friend!

            Among my friends, you like nothing to do, disdain.
            Quote: Olgovich
            I am an officer-military builder: the list of TAM that I built and on a civilian is extremely long. A small town in total, with all the coms I have and will last a long time! As well as communication, control nodes, paths, boxes, etc.

            Base on Triton not built?
            Quote: Olgovich
            RUSSIAN people, friend, Russian! In 1918, you-ride. There were NOT more choices.

            Whim. The people chose the truth in 1922, and in 1924 founded their own country, which traitors like you destroyed.
            You still tell the tale for the 1996 elections, about their dubious legitimacy in the "choice" of Yeltsin.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 8 November 2017 13: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: badens1111
              Among my friends, you like nothing to do, disdain.

              Not communist, my friend! request
              Quote: badens1111
              Base on Triton not built?

              Yes!
              Quote: badens1111
              Whim: The people chose in 1922 the truth behind whom, and in 1924 founded their own country, which traitors like you destroyed

              There were NO elections in 1922! In 1924, you don’t know history!
              I defended the USSR, yes.
              As a form (ugly) of Russia, with the hope of a return to the former.
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 8 November 2017 16: 33 New
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                Quote: Olgovich
                I defended the USSR, yes.

                Olgovich, my mother did not tell you in childhood. What is lying is disgusting?
                Especially here on the site, where anyone familiar with you in the slightest degree, will confidently say that you are a notorious anti-Soviet Russophobe.
                Quote: Olgovich
                There were NO elections in 1922! In 1924, you don’t know history!

                And why? In 1922, unaware of history, the CIVIL, in which RED won, ended, the country made a choice.
                December 30, 1922 created by the USSR
                By 1924, during the creation of the USSR, the frame of the country took shape, so to speak, you don’t even know that?
                Quote: Olgovich
                As a form (ugly) of Russia, with the hope of a return to the former.

                To which one? Do you sometimes even think about what to write about, which one is Nikolka 2? And does the country need this?
                Was the USSR ugly for you? And is your present Moldova beautiful? How does the shifter live in the country he sold and betrayed, remaining in its fragment?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 9 November 2017 12: 39 New
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                  Quote: badens1111
                  , and in 1924 founded his country

                  You wrote this nonsense: you don’t know stories.
                  Quote: badens1111
                  And why? In 1922, unaware of history, the CIVIL, in which RED won, ended, the country made a choice.

                  In gr. the massacre arranged by you - 5 (!)% of the population participated. Which choice?! fool
                  Quote: badens1111
                  you are a notorious anti-Soviet Russophobe.

                  I am Russophile, unlike you
                  Quote: badens1111
                  Was the USSR ugly for you? And is your present Moldova beautiful? How does the shifter live in the country he sold and betrayed, remaining in its fragment?

                  Great Russia In the USSR, it was cut into a national government against the will of the Russian people
                  mono-ethnic MSSR-YOUR creation, criminal against Russia, created WITHOUT any requests and desires of residents from the multinational Bessarabian Province of the RSFSR in 1940
                  Teach the history of the motherland, dvoeshnik.
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 8 November 2017 17: 03 New
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                Ide? belay Defended the USSR ?! Well, now some oddities are clear. Plus a construction battalion.
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 8 November 2017 15: 56 New
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            Such as you, depending on the circumstances, become either Afghan paratroopers, sea wolves, or fearless pilots. Balabol, in a word.
          3. Curious
            Curious 8 November 2017 18: 06 New
            +4
            "I'm a military builder officer." I'll try and get my finger in the sky. You are a “pinjack” - a two-year-old who graduated from a construction university with a military department. There is as much in common between you and the officer as there is between a chicken and a falcon. However, this and that is a bird.
      2. Alex_59
        Alex_59 8 November 2017 13: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        NOBODY of these "sufferers" who can’t build, did NOT ask FOR ANYTHING.

        I consider this nonsense to be inadvisable due to the lack of a constructive component.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 8 November 2017 14: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex_59
          Quote: Olgovich
          NOBODY of these "sufferers" who can’t build, did NOT ask FOR ANYTHING.

          I consider this nonsense to be inadvisable due to the lack of a constructive component.

          Your comment is not needed. What can you say more new? Nothing.... request
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 8 November 2017 14: 47 New
          +3
          The same is not clear - but who built it all?
  8. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 09: 27 New
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    The article is a fat minus for juggling the facts. February did not kill Old Russia, but plunged it into a serious illness similar to the Time of Troubles of the early 17th century. Then, too, everything was like 1917 - the absence of the lawful Sovereign, the separatism of the outskirts, the invasion of an external enemy, hunger, robber gangs on the roads ... but the people coped with this disaster. Under the leadership of the Russian elite (which also included ambiguous personalities), the Zemsky Sobor was convened, which determined the further fate of Russia. In 1917, the Zemsky Sobor was analogous to the Constituent Assembly, to which national elections were to be held. These elections, in November 1917, the Bolsheviks miserably lost to the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks. And before the Bolsheviks came to power, Russia, even if it was sick but was Russia, the laws of Imperial Russia were in force, its awards were presented, there was a police, judicial and educational system. And it was the Bolsheviks who successively abolished imperial legislation, defeated the police, education, persecuted the Church and launched the wildest repressions against the bearers of the old Russian culture, when people were killed only because they were born in the family of a priest, officer or professor. And for the fact that a man in the difficult years of the war stood up for Russia, having received officer epaulets or honestly served in the provincial institution.
    The author - a deuce for not knowing the history of the motherland and juggling the facts.
    1. venaya
      venaya 8 November 2017 15: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      These elections, in November 1917, the Bolsheviks miserably lost to the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks.

      In July 1917, after V.I. Lenin was expelled from Petrograd, the RSDLP (b) was formed - that is, it was already a party, and not some kind of tat fraction within the party, of which there were several and not two. So where did the “Mensheviks" go in this case? What party did they lean against? What are you writing here, moreover, blaming the author for:
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      To the author - a deuce for not knowing the history of the motherland and juggling the facts

      Maybe all the same a fat deuce needs to be put to you, and not to the author of the article. Yes, and about the party of eSeRs - you just need to look at the granddaughter of the founder of this party, TV presenter of the 1st channel V. Povzner, to understand that this party did not set any monarchist or other statist tasks. By the way, the true organizer of the October coup, A.F. Kerensky, the one on whom the bankers there put up because of the "puddle" was actually the true organizer of this coup. After all, he was not put before the head of the Provisional Government just in the silt of the month, at the same time when V.I. Lenin was removed from the capital and the party of the Bolsheviks was already appointed Wall Street protector Y. Sverdlov - that is, they began real preparations for the coup. Before criticizing the author, at first it is better to understand the events of those days, otherwise it doesn’t work out well.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 17: 58 New
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        Quote: venaya
        RSDLP (b) - that is, it is already a party, and not some kind of faction within the party, of which there were several and not two. So where did the “Mensheviks" go in this case? What party did they lean against? What are you writing here, moreover, blaming the author for:

        Sorry, but you do not seem to be like the history of Russia, but you don’t even know the RSDLP close to you.
        MENSHEVIKI - representatives of the political current (fraction) of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party, with 1917 - an independent political party that retained its original name - RSDLP.
        http://ponjatija.ru/node/3396
        And the Bolsheviks lost outright the elections, which they themselves admit:
        More complete data did not in the least shake the conclusions made by V.I. Lenin at the end of 1919, did not fundamentally change the statistical reflection of the correlation of party and class forces that took place in Russia at the end of 1917 — beginning of 1918. An additional survey conducted we, too, did not change the overall picture. 169 Without taking into account the numbers obtained by indirect calculations, we can operate on the following data: in 68 districts (data are partial in 4 districts), 44443 thousand voters voted, including 10649 thousand for Bolsheviks (24%), for the petty-bourgeois parties (including nationalist) - 26 thousand (374%), for the bourgeois-landlord parties (including nationalist) - 59 thousand (7420%). 17
        http://leninism.su/books/4314-vserossijskoe-uchre
        ditelno-sobranie-istoriya-sozyva-i-krusheniya.htm
        l? showall = & start = 13
  9. MoJloT
    MoJloT 8 November 2017 10: 52 New
    +2
    Why did the Bolsheviks defeat

    Because the imperialists lost, everything else is guesswork and theory.
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 12: 59 New
    +3
    Well ..... The 17 year-year is vague and difficult to comprehend ... Be that as it may, the Bolsheviks won the 17 .... they won the civil war, which lasted at least three years. And why ? Indeed, they rose up against the Bolsheviks, as it became fashionable to say: “mind, honor, conscience” of that era! The decisive role was played by the factor that the Bolsheviks managed to establish their power in central Russia! Thus, the entire infrastructure (economic, industrial, financial, management
    parental, logistic ...) fell into the hands of the Bolsheviks. The stocks of military property were so great that they were enough for a civil war and, even, it remained with V.O.V. The developed railway structure was among the Bolsheviks, which made it possible to "widely and efficiently" maneuver troops. Plus, tough one-man management! The "whites" were forced to concentrate on the periphery and they got "crumbs from the tsar’s table": insufficient supplies, poorly developed production, poorly developed railway ... In addition, there is a disorder in political ideology: who is behind the assembly, the bourgeois republic; and who, for God save the king!
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 8 November 2017 14: 52 New
      +1
      Interestingly, “the Bolsheviks managed to establish their power in central Russia!” How did it happen and what is the difference between the “establishment” of power in Central Russia and other areas?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 15: 45 New
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        The Bolsheviks concentrated their forces (and efforts) in Moscow, Petrograd and in the "rounds" around them. Relying on the "revolutionary" troops, they achieved a situation where resistance to the Bolsheviks in this territory became impossible. This territory had great resources .... . etc. , etc. .. I don’t see any reason to "chew" ... read again (and carefully) at least the article under discussion.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 8 November 2017 16: 08 New
          +2
          But do not chew ... just about the "big resources" is ridiculous ...
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 November 2017 16: 32 New
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            Quote: mat-vey
            about "big resources" is funny

            Well, laugh, it’s not harmful ... Resources didn’t seem big to you? But this is all relatively relative (depending on what and where to compare ... and when). For someone, a hundred rubles is money, but for another, and a milen, a penny! We’d talk ... but it’s already night, and in the morning things are waiting. hi
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 8 November 2017 17: 21 New
              +3
              Yes, they are so .... So it’s ridiculous to not laugh at it ... But you can laugh at “big resources” ...
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 9 November 2017 00: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: mat-vey
                you can laugh at the voice ..

                I am sure that you have no real reason for the "rzhachki" .... and laughter without a reason is a sign .........! Your "disagreement" takes the form of a kindergarten showdown .... not really that! So .... Adyu hi
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 10 November 2017 17: 40 New
                  +2
                  Will you take away the toys and the pot? In addition to the type of smart stories about some resources, your thoughts didn’t move ... And ". The stocks of military property turned out to be so great that they were enough for a civil war and, even, left to V.O.V." quite suitable not only for laughter, but also that would doubt your adequacy ...
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 11 November 2017 16: 46 New
                    +1
                    Your behavior is clear: to blame everything from a bad mind to a healthy one ... Yes, instead of looking at the necessary information on the Internet, you are rude! Are you sure of your adequacy? In vain! Adequate people do not behave so boorishly.
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                    Supply of the Red Army during the Civil War.
                    Goat Report »03 Jun 2012, 18: 06

                    In the process of discussing the successes and failures of Russian industry during the WWII, I had a question: what measures were used and what role did the legacy of the Bolsheviks use, weapons and ammunition in the Civil War? In total, in 1919, the army received from the defense industry (including repairs) over 1 million rifles, over 6 thousand machine guns, 540 thousand guns, 357 million rounds, 184 thousand rounds-digits from TSB. I.Prochko “Artillery in the battles for the homeland.” From June 1918 until the end of 1919, according to the orders of the Main Artillery Directorate, it was sent to the Red Army: guns of various calibers - 3222; bombers - 1006; mortars - 451; machine guns - over 16000; rifles - more than 2 millions. During the same time, troops received 5,9 million shells of various calibers, including over 4,8 million shells of 3-inch caliber. It turns out quite a miserable shell, less than 4%, 1 / 6 for guns, more or less in the manufacture of small arms (although the new rifles were made 460tys.) At the expense of Tula. There were 1918 million tonnes of cartridges in St. Petersburg in March of 752year. . twice as much as was produced by industry in the 1919 year. By the time the SNK decree was issued, various valuable weapons were concentrated in Petrograd in quantities of about 14 000 000 pounds. The figure is colossal in both the size and value of the contents in it. Chief among these items were: heavy guns 75.000 pounds
                    light guns xnumx pounds
                    various items of material artillery 310.000 pounds
                    rifles 56 000 pounds, that is, about 220.000 pcs.
                    ammunition 772.000 pounds
                    rifle cartridges 977.000 pounds, or 752000.000 pcs.
                    shells of curb and unloaded 3800.000 pounds
                    gunpowder and charges of them 731.000 pounds
                    tubes and fuses 390.000 pounds, or 8000.000 pcs. Mikhailov VS Sketches on the development of industry.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 11 November 2017 17: 21 New
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                      You overestimate yourself to be rude ... These are your "colossal" stocks of crumbs for the 1,5 millionth warring army, and for the 5 millionth one there are doubts ... and even that was enough for the Second World War ....
                      1. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 12 November 2017 02: 21 New
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                        Overestimate yourself? I didn’t think about that! But your oddities are noteworthy. In my comment I pointed out Several reasons (but not all) of the Bolshevik victory: The stocks of military equipment of the tsarist army is just one of the reasons! Others were also indicated: the most economically developed and populated regions of Russia "inherited" by the Bolsheviks ... so to say: factories, factories, stations, post offices, telegraphs .... But you, like a sociopath, clung to "one fad"., And instead to "work" on the Internet (look for articles in which the authors cite data on stocks left to the Bolsheviks; data on how military stocks with 40MB were discovered during the audit of military depots at the end of the 50x-beginning of the 1x ...) "you carry" nonsense with the psychic manic. Why should I further "spend" my time on you?
                    2. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 12 November 2017 10: 49 New
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                      Have you once said goodbye?
                      Quote: Nikolaevich I
                      about how during the audit of military depots in the late 40s-early 50s, military stocks with 1MB were discovered ...)

                      And if you now rummage, then you can also find something with the PMA .. and what? Or do you have to razhevyvat that the military rearmament does not throw out old weapons, but sent for storage?
                      Quote: Nikolaevich I
                      Others were also indicated: the most economically developed and populated regions of Russia "inherited" by the Bolsheviks ... so to speak

                      Why did they "get" them? Chew pzhst? These areas are just as "got" by the white ... So, who didn’t last so long? And didn’t he have something with the army?
                      And over the "reserves" the rzhach caused that for such an Internet specialist it should be no secret that in the current army of the Republic of Ingushetia with "reserves" everything was far from perfect, and in the civilian these "reserves" were normal only from the outside and it was possible to replenish .. Or did the Bolsheviks deliveries to the Bolsheviks? And how did this get to the whites a big secret? What is the Internet broadcasting about this?
  11. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 8 November 2017 14: 10 New
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    badens1111,
    Go to school.

    I would also send you somewhere, but the rules of the site do not allow laughing
    He who surrendered the throne as a stool that no one needs, and the empire as a squadron, is not the king, but a rag no one needs, and your Drozdovskys, Kellers and the like are the murderers of the Russian working people.

    I like to watch how members of the anti-virus totalitarian sect of witnesses of homunism experience a seizure, foam comes out of their mouths, and their bodies twitch in convulsions at the mere mention of the name of the last legitimate ruler of Russia, Holy Tsar the martyr Nicholas II. The heat from your flaming ephedrons warms my soul. laughing
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 November 2017 15: 02 New
      +3
      there is a seizure, foam comes out of the mouth, and the body shudders in convulsions at the mere mention of the name of the last legitimate ruler of Russia, the Holy Tsar of the martyr Nicholas II.

      Yes, indeed, a hysterical seizure will happen, as you think, someone really believes in the sanctity of this "sufferer." Directly lose faith in the mental abilities of mankind.
      1. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 8 November 2017 15: 18 New
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        This is not a matter of faith, it is simply a fact - the last legitimate ruler of Russia and his family are officially recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church as holy martyrs.
        Passion-bearer - this is the name in the Orthodox Church in general of all Christian martyrs who suffered suffering (passion, Greek πάθος, πάθημα, lat. Passio) in the name of Jesus Christ. But mainly this name refers to persons who did not accept the martyrdom for the Christian faith, in contrast to the martyrs and great martyrs, perhaps even from their relatives and co-religionists - because of their malice, self-interest, treachery, conspiracy. Accordingly, in this case, the special character of their feat is emphasized - malice, which is one of the commandments of Jesus Christ. Thus, in particular, the holy martyrs Boris and Gleb, Saint Dimitry Uglichsky, the reverend Dula, who lived in the 2000th century, are often referred to. In 1918, the last Russian emperor Nicholas II and his family, who were shot by a decision of the Ural Council in 1, were canonized in the guise of martyrs [XNUMX]. As noted by a member of the Synodal Commission for the Canonization of Saints, Archpriest George Mitrofanov, “the rank of martyrs from antiquity has been applied only to representatives of the princely and royal families”
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 8 November 2017 16: 36 New
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          Quote: Dzmicer
          This is not a matter of faith, it is simply a fact - the last legitimate ruler of Russia and his family are officially recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church as holy martyrs.

          With the filing of the ROCA throughout the war, Hitler, who sang hosanna and wished the Nazis victory?
          Well, thank you ... we still didn’t have enough of this, to the saints ...
          Nicholas 2 was NOT king at the time of death. He surrendered the country and himself, through his own actions as a weakling and mediocrity, destroyed the family.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 8 November 2017 17: 22 New
            +2
            Well Duc, he didn’t deserve another oath. ..
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 18: 15 New
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            Quote: badens1111
            With the filing of the ROCA throughout the war, Hitler, who sang hosanna and wished the Nazis victory?

            Frank lie, enlighten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej_yPJxOroU
            Quote: badens1111
            He surrendered the country and himself, with his own actions as a weakling and mediocrity, destroyed the family.

            Well, yes, such a weakling that under him there was an economic growth of 7% per year, and he himself had to be blocked by the forces of a whole plot of conspirators and break the day for renunciation. And the king was so "weak in spirit" that he was not afraid to take command of the army during the grave retreat of 1915. But he perfectly understood that if the Germans could not be stopped, “all dogs would be hanged” on him, he would be blamed for everything. But the “wimp” was not afraid to take a chance. And the Germans were stopped.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 8 November 2017 21: 58 New
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              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Outright lie

              Yours.
              The Bishops' Council of the Russian Church Abroad in 1981 already recognized the entire royal family and even its servants as “full-fledged” martyrs, among them the Catholic valet Aloysius Trupp and the Lutheran gooflectress Ekaterina Schneider. The latter died not with the royal family in Yekaterinburg, but two months later in Perm . History does not know other examples of the canonization of Catholics and Protestants by the Orthodox Church.
              “None of the canonized holy new martyrs of Russia — Patriarch Tikhon, Metropolitan Benjamin of St. Petersburg, Archbishop Thaddeus (Uspensky), Metropolitan Peter (Polyansky), Metropolitan Seraphim (Chichagov), the same Illarion Troitsky - none of them called the Tsar’s holy passion. But they could. Moreover, the decision of the Holy Synod regarding the abdication of the sovereign does not express the slightest regret, ”concludes Alexei Osipov. Https: //www.ridus.ru/news/258954
          3. dSK
            dSK 8 November 2017 19: 22 New
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            On the morning of June 22, 1941, the first appeal to the people was the Primate of the Orthodox Church Sergius, who called for a fight against the invaders. A few hours later, Molotov spoke: "Dear brothers and sisters"- his speech began. By December 1941, the surviving churches were opened, divine services were allowed - the former seminarian Stalin realized that without God's help, the country could not be saved. Forty-year-old, baptized men pulled out the war. Twenty-year-olds were killed or in" cauldrons "in captivity Then when it was “relieved”, the faithful “Leninist” Khrushchev began to blow up temples again, promised to show the people the last “priest” and build communism in 1980 (I remember that well). In 1964, when he was removed, at the plenum “for” 1 (one) person voted - his brother-in-law, where does Khrushchev’s son live and bow to whom?
            Christianity is 2000 years old, Orthodoxy is 1000 years old, what kind of persecution it experienced in the first 300 years of early Christianity - it was crucified, burned, poisoned by animals. Borders will change, new parties will appear - the Orthodox will meet the second coming of Jesus Christ. "I am with you and no one at you."
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 9 November 2017 02: 38 New
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              "Dear brothers and sisters," said JV Stalin in his address a month later.
              And then, the question arises for people, “where did they get the information from?”, From here, from the howling of the interaural space. Well, but about what was first, “appeal ....”, I won’t even comment. The appeal, apparently, passed through YouTube. The bloody Bolsheviks forgot to turn off the Internet, so they were distracted from the attack.
          4. dSK
            dSK 9 November 2017 02: 25 New
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            Passion-bearer - this is the name in the Orthodox Church in general of all Christian martyrs who suffered suffering (passion, Greek πάθος, πάθημα, lat. Passio) in the name of Jesus Christ. But mainly this name refers to persons who did not accept the martyrdom for the Christian faith, in contrast to the martyrs and great martyrs, perhaps even from their relatives and co-religionists - because of their malice, self-interest, treachery, conspiracy. Accordingly, in this case, the special character of their feat is emphasized - malice, which is one of the commandments of Jesus Christ. Thus, in particular, the holy martyrs Boris and Gleb, Saint Dimitry Uglichsky, the reverend Dula, who lived in the 2000th century, are often referred to. In 1918, the last Russian emperor Nicholas II and his family, who were shot by decision of the Ural Council in XNUMX, were canonized in the guise of martyrs. As noted by a member of the Synodal Commission for the Canonization of Saints, Archpriest George Mitrofanov, “the rank of martyrs from antiquity has been applied only to representatives of the princely and royal families”

            Nicholas II was repeatedly predicted how he would die, but he did not run away, remained with his people. Could call his supporters, Cossacks and arrange a massacre worse than the civil war, a sea of ​​blood would have shed. They killed meanly, without trial or investigation, did not spare the children, their spouse (they would take an example from England). At the front, the captured Germans were not shot. They canonized not for their life, but for a worthy death. He was recorded in the book of "life" in the temples commemorate every day.
            Time will pass and only certain historians will know the names of his executioners.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 9 November 2017 06: 04 New
              +3
              Nicholas II was repeatedly predicted how he would die, but he did not run away, remained with his people.

              Do you believe the predictions? If, yes, then this is your personal right, but unlike you, a leader of this level is deprived of many rights of an ordinary person and endowed with duties that we do not have. Accordingly, he is obliged to fulfill what is entrusted to him, even if he faces death. Those who served in the army gave The oath. Text to remind? So, Nicholas 2, not only took the Oath, but he was "crowned with the kingdom." A sacrament is performed over him, one of the few in Orthodoxy. And, therefore, he is obliged, despite the possibility of his own death, to go to the end. Otherwise, not fair. The soldier for the failure to fulfill the oath was executed at all times and in all countries, and the Monarch surrendered the country at a difficult moment for her, what should be declared a "saint"? A man who did not fulfill his duty (to everything else, he was an officer)? Children feel sorry for the pain, but you thought how many children doomed his betrayal / violation of the oath of painful death?
              1. dSK
                dSK 9 November 2017 09: 42 New
                +2
                Who betrayed whom? The chief of the General Staff Alekseev and a bunch of generals (who swore allegiance to the tsar and the fatherland), deputies, moneybags and even some relatives, grand dukes - believed the false Masonic agitation that Nicholas II was the main evil. He wrote in his diary "all around betrayal, lies and deceit ..." He gave in because he did not want the shedding of Russian blood. Remember how Judas ended his life? Where were the Rodzianki, Guchkovs, Morozovs - who financed the coup. They lost everything - fortunes, estates, factories ... After the abdication, the great princes, claiming the throne, did not "pick up" the crown, but "made legs" when everything flared up. How did Kornilov finish, who arrested the tsar’s children? How many officers were shot immediately and then during the repression? How many died in civilian life and emigrated?
                The 1917 coup was the first successful experience of modern color revolutions. Now the same thing, one in one, the foreign partners are howling at all voices - take Putin away and everything will be "good" ... The social revolution is always chaos, destruction, national disasters. We need social evolution - the development of positive qualities and the elimination of negative ones. Breaking does not build.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 9 November 2017 10: 58 New
                  +3
                  A series of bourgeois revolutions replaced feudalism. Blood, sacrifices, terror, but for some reason all the fighters for all the good versus all the bad, do not focus on this, unlike the revolution, which replaced the capitalist formation. Here it is, how a rag for a bull excites emotions. Maybe because it's all about ownership? Did private go public? I don’t know, riddles in the dark. The United States is pouring blood all that it reaches, but they are a democratic country, no matter that their authorities are bigots and murderers ready for anything for their own enrichment.
                  Was the Russian Empire a state of justice, a model of grandeur, non-possessiveness, universal justice? Where did all these Kornilovs, Alekseevs, Rodzian women, great and not very princes come from? Are they not flesh from the flesh of that system, rotten from top to bottom? I do not know. But it turns out that "around is betrayal, lies and deceit ...", and at the top there is a king in white and until the roasted rooster pecks at the crown, he did not notice these liars and traitors and they were all completely shaking hands. Sorry, but you, in the text, are trying to imagine the monarch as a kind of light sacrifice, a heavenly lamb, but the result is, in the final picture, either mentally retarded, or cynical, two-faced godfather of all this codes, which, at the first opportunity, betrayed. "What is pop, such is parish", ancient folk wisdom.
        2. free
          free 10 March 2018 08: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Dzmicer
          This is not a matter of faith, it is simply a fact - the last legitimate ruler of Russia and his family are officially recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church as holy martyrs.
          Passion-bearer - this is the name in the Orthodox Church in general of all Christian martyrs who suffered suffering (passion, Greek πάθος, πάθημα, lat. Passio) in the name of Jesus Christ. But mainly this name refers to persons who did not accept the martyrdom for the Christian faith, in contrast to the martyrs and great martyrs, perhaps even from their relatives and co-religionists - because of their malice, self-interest, treachery, conspiracy. Accordingly, in this case, the special character of their feat is emphasized - malice, which is one of the commandments of Jesus Christ. Thus, in particular, the holy martyrs Boris and Gleb, Saint Dimitry Uglichsky, the reverend Dula, who lived in the 2000th century, are often referred to. In 1918, the last Russian emperor Nicholas II and his family, who were shot by a decision of the Ural Council in 1, were canonized in the guise of martyrs [XNUMX]. As noted by a member of the Synodal Commission for the Canonization of Saints, Archpriest George Mitrofanov, “the rank of martyrs from antiquity has been applied only to representatives of the princely and royal families”

          Ahaha !!!!!!!!!!! lol Drop the song
  12. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 15: 12 New
    +5
    badens1111,
    It’s just funny to read you. "Who passed the throne" ... Yes, you at least know that the conspirators, placing the Emperor in an information blockade, intercepting telegrams, day persuaded him to abdicate, threatening the collapse of the rear and the collapse of the warring army?
    Drozdovsky, the man under whose command the soldiers recruited from captured Red Army soldiers - the killer of the working people? Are you serious? And Count Keller, who went on the attack with his cavalrymen, went along with simple peasant guys in the front ranks of the guards cavalry - too !? Badens, you either rave, saying this seriously, or unsuccessfully trying to troll.
    1. vitalm
      vitalm 8 November 2017 15: 43 New
      +2
      He is a sinner, not a saint. Abdicated the anointed of God. After Khodynka, he did not even express condolences when about a thousand people were crushed, etc.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 8 November 2017 16: 03 New
        +4
        On January 19, 1905, Emperor Nicholas II in his speech to the deputation declared: “I know that the life of a worker is not easy. Much needs to be improved and streamlined, but have patience. You yourself honestly understand that you should be fair to your owners and take into account the conditions of our industry. But in a rebellious crowd to declare to Me about my needs is criminal. <...> I believe in the honest feelings of working people and their unwavering devotion to Me, and therefore I forgive them their guilt. <...>
        in short - die and do not blather ..
      2. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 18: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: vitalm
        donkey Khodynka did not even make condolences when about a thousand people were crushed, etc.

        Excuse me, did all the heads of state speak with condolences when such tragedies happened? Queen Victoria in a similar situation just sent a telegram, but the Imperial family donated 90 thousand rubles in favor of the victims, sent a thousand bottles of Madeira for the victims to hospitals. On May 19, the imperial couple, together with the Governor-General Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich, visited the Old Catherine Hospital, where the wounded were placed on the Khodynsky field; May 20 visited the Mariinsky hospital. In your opinion, is this not a manifestation of condolences and concern for the fate of the victims? 90 thousand at that time are equivalent to 90 million current rubles.
        Quote: vitalm
        He is a sinner, not a saint

        But it is not up to you and me to decide. This is decided by people who are much closer to God and experienced in spiritual life. In this case, the Council of Bishops of the Church. And it’s not for us to condemn the decision of people who understand who can be holy and who is not much more experienced than us.
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 8 November 2017 15: 50 New
      +3
      How tired you are. Do you know who you are? You are WISDOMERS in the "TENTURE" And as ridiculous as the hero of the play by Moliere.
    3. badens1111
      badens1111 8 November 2017 16: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      ac just funny to read

      Teterin, how I laugh at your attempts, to mold from dullness and mediocrity, at least something magnificent, everything is the same at the exit — mediocrity, a rag and a worthless person turn out.
      Drozdovsky and Keller, the killers of the Russian working people.
      It’s not worth it to sculpt the icons from manure; not everyone stinks of them from incense, but with blood and something else, not everyone can stand it.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 18: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: badens1111
        everything is the same at the exit - mediocrity, a rag and worthless turns out.

        Oh, right word, I don’t understand why you describe the self-portrait so stubbornly in the comments. However, this is already a question for psychologists.
        Quote: badens1111
        Drozdovsky and Keller, the killers of the Russian working people.

        Tell me, Baden, why are you repeating the same thing, stubbornly arguing with reality? Hope your words become true? In vain. A lie repeated a thousand times does not become true. Count Keller led the “working people” into battle during the years of WWII, he himself rode in the front ranks, covering up with yesterday's peasants and workers called up for the guards cavalry. Is there a good "executioner" who overshadows the "victims"?
        At the end of September 1914, the 10th cavalry division was transferred to the 8th army of General Brusilov, after breaking through the Austrian defense, driving the enemy to the Carpathian mountains. Keller’s horsemen, who were at the forefront of the advancing forces, took control of the cities of Dobromil, Sanok and Rimanov, having fought stubbornly near the village of Zaluzh, and were the first to approach the Duklins Pass. And then starting up, at fifty-seven he did not stop personally leading the cavalry lava to the attack, he almost paid with his life for his daring and youth: on December 3, the count was wounded in the leg. Fortunately, the bullet that passed right through did not damage the bone.
        http://klin-demianovo.ru/http:/klin-demianovo.ru/
        analitika / 53821 / arhiv-pervaya-shashka-rossii-2 /
        And in the battles of the Civil War, Count Keller did not participate, since he was cowardly killed in the back by Petliurists in Kiev.
        The same thing with Mikhail Gordeevich Drozdovsky, in the ranks of his division captured Red Army soldiers fought. The same "working people".
        In the summer and autumn of 1918, the 3rd Division took part in the 2nd Kuban campaign, passing through fierce battles for Stavropol and Armavir. Already at the beginning of the 2nd Kuban campaign, the 2nd officer rifle regiment was substantially replenished by captured Red Army soldiers. In June alone, the 3rd Infantry Division captured more than 3000 people. A separate military unit was formed from prisoners of war: on June 21 (July 4), by order of the head of the 3rd Infantry Division, Colonel M.G. Drozdovsky was formed Soldier battalion of three-troop composition. Officers from the 2nd officer regiment were appointed to command posts in it. The regimental historian of Drozdov’s V. Kravchenko wrote about the Soldier’s regiment: “Among its composition there were no old soldiers from the Drozdovsky’s division, but some factory guys, laborers, peasants and Red Army soldiers.” In July, the 4th company was formed in the village of No-Donetsk, and the battalion was renamed the regiment (later the 5th and 6th companies were formed in it). The regiment was replenished, as a rule, by former Red Army men. On August 4 (27) in the village of Ust-Labinsk, the Soldier Regiment was connected with a battalion that had arrived from Stavropol, formed from officers and soldiers of the 83rd Samur Regiment (180 people), and was called the Samur Infantry Regiment. The size of his mouth increased to ten. In 1919, the regiment was part of the 1st, 3rd and Alekseevskaya infantry divisions. Later, after the evacuation of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia in Crimea on March 16 (29), 1920, it was disbanded, and its remains are poured into the regiments of the Drozdov division.
        http://wap.1918.borda.ru/?1-10-0-00000047-000-0-0
        What kind of executioner is this if the peasants and workers are fighting for him?
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 8 November 2017 22: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          why are you so hard in the comments describe the self-portrait. However, this is already a question for psychologists.

          Boldly, but not at the address, how long have you been at a doctor's appointment?
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          What kind of executioner is this if the peasants and workers are fighting for him?

          Executioner. Yesterday, under the threat of execution, the Red Army fought for the interests they did not need. As a result, all of your Drozdovsik bits and expelled.
          Keller, Petliurites-the destiny of those who betrayed to get a stab in the back, there was nothing to stir up trouble in February, and then got what you deserved. both that and another and the third.
          http://ru.vlab.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B5%D0%BB%
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  13. Looking for
    Looking for 8 November 2017 15: 45 New
    +1
    The Bolsheviks won because they boldly abolished the "holy of holies" - PRIVATE PROPERTY !!! and adopted the Decree on Earth. This was enough for the peasant Russian Empire.
  14. Looking for
    Looking for 8 November 2017 16: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex_59
    Well, the Bolsheviks spent their whole lives in RI. Everything is different. Someone made a career, someone did not. Like the "democrats."

    This is where did they make a career? When did they get the “Stolypin tie”? Or maybe when the stage went to hard labor and exile?
  15. Looking for
    Looking for 8 November 2017 16: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    In the pioneers he was the chairman of the detachment council, squads, who could offend me?

    so. what are you
    Quote: Alex_59
    Teterin, you are enchanting as always! I love you!

    But I despise people like Teterin. Monarchist.
    1. dSK
      dSK 8 November 2017 18: 20 New
      +2
      There is no faith for you gentlemen, you are seizing power, again, arrange the Red Terror.
  16. avva2012
    avva2012 8 November 2017 16: 51 New
    +1
    badens1111,
    Mister, I am sure, I did not read Drozdovsky. But like an officer, as an institute.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2017 18: 37 New
      +2
      If you mean me, then I read Drozdovsky and Turkul.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 November 2017 06: 19 New
        0
        No, not you, meant. But maybe it was Drozdovsky who just meant you (you, as it were, are also related to the people)?
        At 14 hour. a memorial service was held for 4-m killed officers and soldiers at their grave, there were many residents. We noticed, by the way, one old man who was crying all the funeral service ...
        At 19 hours, the Dvoichenko expedition returned - they found only one main participant in the killings, - they shot him, the rest fled; burned them at home, took away fodder, livestock, etc. From there we drove to Dolgorukovka, the detachment was greeted with bread and salt, white flags on all houses, complete and absolute submission everywhere ... Like people in fear of nasty things, zero dignity, zero decency, really scum, one contempt worthy people: arrogant, ruthless, full of bullying against the defenseless, with impunity he does not know the obstacles of wild unbridledness and anger, but before the strong is such a cowardly, obsequious and low-minded ...
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 8 November 2017 22: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: avva2012
      about like an officer, as an institute.

      There is such a breed that even reading the bragging of white officers, how they killed the Reds, they do not see sadism point blank but clearly see themselves with a chase and a saber, the worse their disappointment when they are refused to understand their preferences.
      This material is not about Drozdovites ... but it still shows what atrocities White did ..
      https://aloban75.livejournal.com/1803205.html
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 November 2017 06: 26 New
        +2
        Like them, they do not consider themselves people, and therefore any atrocities of their idols are justified. Ready-made occupiers, or rather Heavi, because those who come will not distinguish them from the rest of the people.
  17. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 8 November 2017 22: 09 New
    +1
    The temporary workers didn’t have enough intelligence for the Decree of the Sap, but only for Order No. 1. That’s the whole story.
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