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The government will capitalize STLC for the purchase of L-410 aircraft and helicopters

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The state transport leasing company (STLC) will receive 5,3 billion rubles to replenish the fleet of Russian airlines. Funds will be allocated for the purchase of five regional aircraft L-410 and 31 helicopter as a contribution to the authorized capital, reports bmpd with reference to the resource ATO.ru.




According to ATO.ru, GTLK will receive 1 billion rubles. for the purchase of five regional L-410 aircraft assembled at the Ural Civil Plant aviation (UZGA) and 4,3 billion rubles. for the acquisition of 19 Mi-8 helicopters and 12 Ansat helicopters.

Of the extrabudgetary funds for the purchase of aircraft, it is planned to raise an additional 1 billion rubles, and for the purchase of helicopters - 5,734 billion rubles.

The acquired equipment will be leased to Russian operators.

The company explained that now "we are talking about the second stage of capitalization of the project L-410 (program renewal) and deliveries until the end of 2018 year." This year, the lessor receives aircraft as part of the first phase of capitalization (the previous decree on the allocation of the company 1 billion rubles for the acquisition of L-410 was issued on November 24 2016).



Bmpd comment: “According to the contract concluded in November 2016 between GTLK and UZGA worth 2 billion rubles, GTLK should receive five L-410UVP-E20 aircraft.

It should be noted that the assembly of the L-4100 aircraft at UZGA is not really carried out yet, and in fact, UZGA actually acts only as an intermediary for the delivery of ready-made aircraft from the Czech company Aircraft Industries. In particular, the first two aircraft for the airline Siberian Light Aviation LLC (CILA, Magadan) were not only fully built by Aircraft Industries, but also received a corresponding coloring in the colors of the airline, and in this form were distilled from the Czech Republic to Ekaterinburg in October of the current year.

The third aircraft, intended for the supply of UZGA for GTLK under the contract 2016 of the year, made the first flight at the Czech enterprise 30 of October 2017 of the year. "

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J. Lekeš / www.facebook.com/Turbolet.L410
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  1. complete zero
    complete zero 7 November 2017 16: 58 New
    15
    and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 7 November 2017 16: 59 New
      20
      Quote: full zero
      and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?

      Import substitution where kickbacks are small ...
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 7 November 2017 17: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: Anarchist
        Import substitution where kickbacks are small ...

        golden words good drinks
        1. Going
          Going 7 November 2017 17: 31 New
          11
          Import substitution where kickbacks are small ...


          Ours will be found everywhere.
      2. Chestnut
        Chestnut 7 November 2017 18: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Anarchist
        Quote: full zero
        and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?

        Import substitution where kickbacks are small ...

        It is not enough to say “import substitution”, it is necessary to develop a long-term program and create a new public service to achieve the goal.
        In fact, import substitution was found in isolated cases when a separate politician decided to score points for himself.
      3. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 7 November 2017 20: 56 New
        +3
        and this is the real import substitution ....
        this is what wika writes:
        In the 1990s, after the collapse of the USSR and CMEA, the demand for L-410 aircraft fell, and their production rate fell by more than 10 times (from 50 aircraft a year to 2-5). The plant changed owners several times and went through bankruptcy proceedings. In 2005, the plant after another bankruptcy was acquired by Aircraft Industries. The situation has improved significantly since 2008, when 51% of the shares in Aircraft Industries were bought by the Russian OJSC Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company. [5] In 2009-2013, 60 cars were produced. In 2015, it was planned to assemble 20 cars. [6].

        In 2011, an incident involving the use of firearms occurred at the plant, as a result of which 3 people were killed and the director general of the plant, Ilona Plshkova, was injured.
        In September 2013, OJSC Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company acquired another 49% stake in Aircraft Industries. Thus, UMMC became the sole owner of Aircraft Indistries, bringing its stake to 100%. [


        simply, it’s not realistic to translate pr-in at the click of a finger, those flashcards and train personnel ... time is required ....
        but it’s easier to criticize than to establish production, I don’t argue ......
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2017 17: 05 New
      +8
      Quote: full zero
      and what to replace "Czech" with Russian counterparts is weak ... but what about then "import substitution"

      You hurried with comments. The company is in the Czech Republic, but the sole owner is UMMC (Russian OJSC Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company)
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 November 2017 17: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        You hurried with comments. The company is in the Czech Republic, but the sole owner is UMMC (Russian OJSC Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company)

        And what does that change?
        Siemens AG is registered in Russia and lives according to German laws. Now it’s very fashionable to break the laws and rewrite the rules for Russians, so there are no guarantees. That would transfer part of the main production to Russia and then you could reason
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 November 2017 17: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          And what does that change?

          Everything changes.
          Quote: APASUS
          Here is Siemens AG

          Here, in principle, a different situation. Simmens came with his technology.
          UMMC to the Czech Republic - with its money and the opportunity to enter the Russian market.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 7 November 2017 18: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Everything changes.

            You are naive as a child!
            Quote: Spade
            Here, in principle, a different situation. Simmens came with his technology.
            UMMC to the Czech Republic - with its money and the opportunity to enter the Russian market.

            Once you make a purchase or convert money into dollars, you can run into the fiscal services of the United States. Tell me unfairly and they will clearly indicate where your place is.
            All the same with business with Europe, which is practically turning into a colony.
            I remember our company was transferred to a new bank and new salary cards were opened to us, so we were all asked about the availability of accounts in the USA
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 November 2017 18: 40 New
              +3
              Quote: APASUS
              Once you make a purchase or convert money into dollars, you can run into the US fiscal services

              And?
              All this, of course, is wonderful, but then from which budun are our patriots so excited when foreign owners buy enterprises from us? In your words, this is absolutely safe, and the state can completely control such enterprises.
    3. Shura Perm
      Shura Perm 7 November 2017 17: 07 New
      +4
      full zero, just Dima Medvedev is trying very hard that we have no aviation industry left, otherwise the iPhone 8 will not be presented to a small one as a present ...
    4. Baloo
      Baloo 7 November 2017 17: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: full zero
      and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?

      Good bird. The only drawback is the noise level in the cabin. And the rest ... Once upon a time, flew in the winter from Kazan to Samara. Strong gusty wind across the strip, blowing snow. We went from the second circle of 45 degrees with the right wing forward to the axis of the strip. Throw be healthy. And near the ground the pilot leveled the car and exactly three points !!! good good good I applaud while standing. A lot of time has passed, and I remember that landing. Well, for those who create planes, and for those who are in the sky, so that the number of takeoffs is equal to the number of landings! drinks of course for crews, especially for stewardesses laughing
      1. Barshchik-M
        Barshchik-M 7 November 2017 17: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: Balu
        Good bird

        Also flew a long time ago .. Great impressions! Small, nimble, comfortable, in the steppe landing was .. good For our vast territories, the most ..
        1. Burbon
          Burbon 7 November 2017 17: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
          comfortable,

          wassat belay ... where did you find comfort vital ?? ?? maybe did not fly on it ??? belay
          1. Barshchik-M
            Barshchik-M 7 November 2017 17: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: Burbon
            Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
            comfortable,

            wassat belay ... where did you find comfort vital ?? ?? maybe did not fly on it ??? belay

            In those days, my friend and I flew there (there were no passengers anymore), soft chairs, rugs ... The general secretaries felt ha ha ha. You are now shkolota, accustomed to the benefits of civilization and still whine .. hi
            1. Burbon
              Burbon 7 November 2017 18: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
              In those days, my friend and I flew there

              belay .... oh and the storyteller ... well, Vitalka .... go on ...
              1. Barshchik-M
                Barshchik-M 7 November 2017 18: 24 New
                +6
                Quote: Burbon
                Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
                In those days, my friend and I flew there

                belay .... oh and the storyteller ... well, Vitalka .... go on ...

                In my days, traveling around the country was accessible to almost the entire population and by various means of transport and aviation, including all movements were strictly on schedule regardless of the number of passengers .. The fuel was cheap and the aircraft plants worked for the people and for the good
                Fly anywhere in the country ..
                I remember in one organization there was such a privilege on any type of transport anywhere in the country (free of charge there and back ..) Eh so wanted to fly across the country to the North or the Far East, land to smoke a cigarette to breathe the air of a huge and powerful country and back home to work .... Alas! But the dream has remained so far, and now it’s a different time. This is already inaccessible to the majority of the population of the country.
                1. Burbon
                  Burbon 7 November 2017 18: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
                  I remember in one organization there was such a benefit on any type of transport to anywhere in the country (free of charge there and back ..)

                  and now so ... didn’t know? ... and not only to the beneficiary but also to members of his family ..
                  Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
                  In my time

                  what is such a time ??? lol morder or what? ..... or Stalin? ... of course maybe Nikolai ??
                  1. Barshchik-M
                    Barshchik-M 7 November 2017 20: 37 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Burbon
                    what is such a time ??? lol morder or what? ..... or Stalin? ... of course maybe Nicholas ??

                    Do not make me angry bourbon .. hehe And do not write any nonsense ..
                    And then Makarevich will not come up .....

                    laughing wassat
                    1. Burbon
                      Burbon 7 November 2017 20: 53 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
                      Do not make me angry bourbon .. hehe And do not write any nonsense ..

                      wassat fool do you scare me vital? chtol? .... Yes, I myself am like your icon ... you probably only look at us from the pictures? ....
                2. okko077
                  okko077 7 November 2017 20: 18 New
                  +2
                  And I flew, I was lucky. In a big country, on a big IL-86 plane, across the whole country ... And ... even further, across the East ..
                  1. NKT
                    NKT 7 November 2017 20: 45 New
                    +1
                    Across the country on IL-86? Then probably with a landing
          2. Baloo
            Baloo 7 November 2017 19: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: Burbon
            Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
            comfortable,

            wassat belay ... where did you find comfort vital ?? ?? maybe did not fly on it ??? belay

            Buddy Burbon, L410 is not a cruise ship, it's a minibus. wink
            1. Barshchik-M
              Barshchik-M 7 November 2017 20: 27 New
              +4
              Quote: Balu
              Quote: Burbon
              Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
              comfortable,

              wassat belay ... where did you find comfort vital ?? ?? maybe did not fly on it ??? belay

              Buddy Burbon, L410 is not a cruise ship, it's a minibus. wink

              And he and Makarevich on a private jet diving periodically moves ..
              They communicate with the fish there! So she’s malicious, from anger .. She’s afraid that they will block the channels and will not come back. Hehe ..
            2. Burbon
              Burbon 7 November 2017 20: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: Balu
              Buddy Burbon, L410 is not a cruise ship, it's a minibus

              Yes, I know, I flew on a crazy stool more than once)) drinks
    5. 210ox
      210ox 7 November 2017 17: 09 New
      +2
      Yes, how can I say. In the days of the USSR, these planes and An aircraft were the basis of our short-haul aviation. Everything is clear with Anom. Since then, several aircraft factories have been killed. What should I produce? And where? Everything else about import substitution is from the evil one. .
      Quote: full zero
      and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?
    6. stas
      stas 7 November 2017 17: 17 New
      +1
      There is no Stalin for these purchasers, but a pity.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 7 November 2017 17: 31 New
        +2
        he would first put alarmists from the VO forum and other media sites against the wall and instructed to carry out the work and find out whether it is disinterested or on the instructions of the situation is being pumped up to please the Saxons.

        So you have to be afraid of your desires
      2. Burbon
        Burbon 7 November 2017 17: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: stas
        There is no Stalin for these purchasers, but a pity.

        Better Trotsky or Sverdlov .... they buried more than our citizens in the ground ....
        1. stas
          stas 7 November 2017 19: 11 New
          +2
          Bourbon, do not confuse Stalin with the Jews.
          Stalin is Russian of Georgian descent.
          And the enemies of Russia should not be regretted, they only need to be taken care of so that they would not escape from prison.
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 7 November 2017 20: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Burbon
          Better Trotsky or Sverdlov .... they buried more than our citizens in the ground ...

          Indeed it is. With this unfortunate Kaplan there is still confusion. Shot, not shot ...
          The one who detained her at a tram stop for several blocks claimed that she was holding an umbrella in one hand and a bag in the other. I wonder how she loaded the gun and aimed with such baggage. Was she at the factory or not ... There is evidence that they saw. At the same time, the first words of Lenin, did you take him? I was very surprised that this is a woman, demanded a meeting, but did not wait. An interesting detail - on that day, the protection of Lenin was from the people of Sverdlov. Sverdlov’s man took Kaplan from the Cheka and took her to the Kremlin.
          And what an executioner Trotsky was ... I do not want to litter the air. hiA lot of trouble, why not tell the truth? Or is everything cleaned up?
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 7 November 2017 18: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: stas
        There is no Stalin for these purchasers, but a pity.

        Under comrade Stalin, Aeroflot, for example, acquired 5 Italian flying boats S.55. wink
        1. stas
          stas 7 November 2017 19: 14 New
          +1
          So it was acquired for development, then flying boats did at the Taganrog Aircraft Plant.
          So do not confuse eggs with rotten liberals. .
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 7 November 2017 19: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: stas
            So it was acquired for development, then flying boats did at the Taganrog Aircraft Plant.

            For what development? These boats were bought just to use. This design has not received any further development.
            For development, they bought PBY-1, subsequently degrading it to the GTS.
    7. Andrey K
      Andrey K 7 November 2017 17: 56 New
      +9
      Quote: full zero
      and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?

      There is something to replace - TVS-2DTS, developed, put on the wing ...
      The heir to the legendary AN-2, Novosibirsk is ready to produce, but again, but ...
      Suddenly out of nowhere, sticks flew into the wheels ...

      The most glider is gorgeous, our engine, without any Czechs and Ukrainians ...
      For inside regional passenger traffic - you can’t imagine a better idea ... good

      1. 210ox
        210ox 7 November 2017 18: 01 New
        0
        And by the way, from whom are the sticks? Are not koi lobbying for the interests of the same Boeing and Airbus from our leaders?
        Quote: Andrey K
        Quote: full zero
        and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?

        There is something to replace - TVS-2DTS, developed, put on the wing ...
        The heir to the legendary AN-2, Novosibirsk is ready to produce, but again, but ...
        Suddenly out of nowhere, sticks flew into the wheels ...

        The most glider is gorgeous, our engine, without any Czechs and Ukrainians ...
        For inside regional passenger traffic - you can’t imagine a better idea ... good

        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 7 November 2017 18: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          ... And by the way, from whom are the sticks? Are not koi lobbying for the interests of the same Boeing and Airbus from our leaders? ...

          From whom I can’t say sticks, but I know for sure who to ask for this sabotage - the name of this state official is Manturov, his name is Denis Valentinovich and he receives it salary from our taxes, working already as Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.
          This hired manager, for sure, can clarify the situation with the purchase of foreign trash and with the "sticks in the wheels" of our short-haul ...
        2. lazy
          lazy 8 November 2017 17: 04 New
          0
          rather, from the owner of the Czech company, how then will it be explained why the state buys from the Czechs
    8. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 7 November 2017 18: 32 New
      0
      The Czech is quite a thing for himself ... You can’t design better in this size. The L-410 was specially made for the realities of the USSR .... It is necessary to localize ... The most problem is the American theater of military operations.
    9. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 8 November 2017 01: 59 New
      +2
      In September 2013, the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company acquired the remaining 49% stake in Let Kunovice (Aircraft Industries). Thus, UMMC became the sole owner of Aircraft Indistries, bringing its stake to 100%.
    10. svp67
      svp67 8 November 2017 05: 47 New
      0
      Quote: full zero
      and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?

      L-410 is produced at the RUSSIAN plant in Russia and now this is a normal solution, as it gives time to create something new, replacing all other aircraft. It is also worth recalling that this aircraft was created to meet the requirements of the USSR, which means it is quite suitable for today's Russia.
      Now the vast majority of L-410 rise in the sky in this color
      1. lazy
        lazy 8 November 2017 17: 06 New
        0
        what Russian plant? where on the territory of Russia? literally from the article “It should be noted that the assembly of L-4100 aircraft on UZGA is not yet really carried out and in fact UZGA acts only as an intermediary for the supply of finished aircraft from the Czech company Aircraft Industries.” and in my opinion, they will not produce the wrong dude to withdraw their capital from Russia
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 November 2017 19: 49 New
          0
          Quote: lazy
          what Russian plant?

          The city of Aramil of the Sverdlovsk region.
          Quote: lazy
          and in my opinion, they will not produce the wrong dude to withdraw their capital from Russia

          No, you're wrong. Production is getting better.
          1. lazy
            lazy 10 November 2017 12: 16 New
            0
            well this case when I will be glad to be wrong
  2. Piramidon
    Piramidon 7 November 2017 16: 59 New
    +1
    And what kind of fairings on his wingtips?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 7 November 2017 17: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Piramidon
      And what kind of fairings on his wingtips?

      Fuel tanks.
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 7 November 2017 17: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: Piramidon
      And what kind of fairings on his wingtips?

      Khibiny, I guess.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 7 November 2017 18: 34 New
        0
        Tanks with fuel, but with modern electronics and optics, a completely tactical reconnaissance or PP can be done.
  3. complete zero
    complete zero 7 November 2017 17: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: full zero
    and what to replace "Czech" with Russian counterparts is weak ... but what about then "import substitution"

    You hurried with comments. A company in the Czech Republic, but the sole owner is UMMC

    why is she respected in the Czech Republic ... but not in Voronezh, Samara, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, etc.?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2017 17: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: full zero
      why is she respected in the Czech Republic .. but not in Voronezh

      Type it was necessary to disassemble and transport after its purchase? And the local experts in the pillars under guard and in Voronezh?
    2. Burbon
      Burbon 7 November 2017 17: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: full zero
      why is she respected in the Czech Republic ... but not in Voronezh, Samara, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, etc.?

      much cheaper to do there ... because here you get tired of paying kickbacks and taxes ... everything is much cleaner and softer there ....
  4. complete zero
    complete zero 7 November 2017 17: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: full zero
    why is she respected in the Czech Republic .. but not in Voronezh

    Type it was necessary to disassemble and transport after its purchase? And the local experts in the pillars under guard and in Voronezh?

    type it is necessary to create YOURSELF (those who CREATED are still alive) ... and then all the "types" will disappear .. the country will receive its own industry ... and the population will WORK
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2017 17: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: full zero
      type need to create your

      If you have not started growing pineapples and bananas on your own beds, it is better not to start talking about it.
      Quote: full zero
      the good are still alive those who CREATED

      ?
      Czechs? Maybe alive.
      In Russia, such production will have to be deployed from scratch. At the same time, creating a design school from scratch. We have never developed aircraft of this class.
      1. lazy
        lazy 7 November 2017 17: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: full zero
        type need to create your

        If you have not started growing pineapples and bananas on your own beds, it is better not to start talking about it.
        Quote: full zero
        the good are still alive those who CREATED

        ?
        Czechs? Maybe alive.
        In Russia, such production will have to be deployed from scratch. At the same time, creating a design school from scratch. We have never developed aircraft of this class.

        Well, you’re probably lying, and the motorized An-3, and the Be-32, and finally there was a completely flying Su-80. It was just that the Russian billionaire had to withdraw capital abroad, bought a Czech company that was on the verge of bankruptcy because nobody needed these planes besides the Soviet Union, then he lobbied for the purchase of L410 by government agencies (as one can only guess). as a result, the Czech aviation industry remained afloat, the Czech worker has his European salary, and the Russian billionaire has his own cash and everything from the Russian budget. Applause.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 November 2017 18: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: lazy
          Well, you’re probably lying

          Uh ... Dear, you would be more careful with such statements ...
          Well, give an example of at least one production aircraft of this class, developed on the territory of the RSFSR / Russia.
          Better not to mention Antonov’s design bureau; with them, here’s the word, it’s much more difficult to agree than with the Czechs.
          1. lazy
            lazy 8 November 2017 17: 00 New
            0
            Do you need serial? The superjet was not serial until it was launched in a series. And so, for example, the su-80, instead of the be-103, it could have been riveted in Komsomolsk, especially with such a small series. or is our industry so weak that, say, it was impossible to deploy an airplane from Novosibirsk (based on the An-3) at the deceased Saratov plant? it was just not interesting to the billionaire.
  5. assa67
    assa67 7 November 2017 17: 22 New
    +3
    Well, the full paragraph ....... again the loot disappeared .... when the death penalty is already returned !!!! ?????????
  6. fa2998
    fa2998 7 November 2017 17: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: full zero
    and what to replace "Czech" with Russian counterparts is weak ... but what about then "import substitution"

    You hurried with comments. The company is in the Czech Republic, but the sole owner is UMMC (Russian OJSC Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company)

    And what does the owner have to do with it! Czech aircraft manufacturers paid their salaries home, and suppliers are also likely to be in the Czech Republic. And the profit we have got will be hidden in offshore companies. But this is not the main thing - THIS CHECK IS ALREADY FOR FORTY YEARS!, Where are our developments, where there are no analogues! angry hi
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2017 17: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      Where are our developments, where there are no analogues!

      Take and pay for development from your pocket. Given that this money, in principle, will not pay off.
      Money nowhere to go?
      1. lazy
        lazy 8 November 2017 17: 18 New
        0
        Yes, money was already spent and there were flying instances.
  7. complete zero
    complete zero 7 November 2017 17: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: full zero
    type need to create your

    If you have not started growing pineapples and bananas on your own beds, it is better not to start talking about it.
    Quote: full zero
    the good are still alive those who CREATED

    ?
    Czechs? Maybe alive.
    In Russia, such production will have to be deployed from scratch. At the same time, creating a design school from scratch. We have never developed aircraft of this class.

    but respected by half measures, you won’t have to achieve anything .. Yes, you have to create (or restore from scratch), but how else? .. otherwise you don’t have to stutter about some kind of "superpower" ... but stop at bananas (which you advise). ..in our case on hydrocarbons ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2017 17: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: full zero
      Yes, you have to create (or restore from scratch), but how else?

      How else? Buy an enterprise in the Czech Republic and use their production aircraft.
      You do not cause coffee rejection due to the fact that it is grown not in Russia?

      It is too expensive to create a design school and production from scratch for the sake of the power of several hundred machines that will not be in demand on foreign markets due to wild competition.
      1. stas
        stas 7 November 2017 23: 13 New
        +1
        We have our own achievements and not worse.
        Then there was CMEA, therefore, they bought from them, and now the ass is fucked, if there is a good button accordion.
  8. complete zero
    complete zero 7 November 2017 17: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Burbon
    Quote: full zero
    why is she respected in the Czech Republic ... but not in Voronezh, Samara, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, etc.?

    much cheaper to do there ... because here you get tired of paying kickbacks and taxes ... everything is much cleaner and softer there ....

    like that and in everything ... (without pathos) -For the Power it’s a shame .. it would be nice there is an iPhone androyd .. well, here is aviation ... take everything about .. now procure and create jobs for everyone .. besides themselves
    1. faiver
      faiver 7 November 2017 17: 50 New
      0
      what about ... you? we have never had an analogous Cheburashka in the visible 40 years (L-410)
  9. Sergei75
    Sergei75 7 November 2017 20: 04 New
    0
    It’s interesting somehow, capitalization ...., the words are tricky, but does the company itself have money?
    Does the government not want to capitalize on me?
    1. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 7 November 2017 23: 14 New
      0
      The company was created for the development of aviation. But what's the use of you still need to know.
      1. Sergei75
        Sergei75 8 November 2017 14: 07 New
        0
        Good question! What is the use of this company?
  10. complete zero
    complete zero 8 November 2017 14: 02 New
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: full zero
    and what to replace the "Czech" with Russian counterparts weakly ... but what about then the "import substitution" .. so they got it wrong, fled?

    L-410 is produced at the RUSSIAN plant in Russia and now this is a normal solution, as it gives time to create something new, replacing all other aircraft. It is also worth recalling that this aircraft was created to meet the requirements of the USSR, which means it is quite suitable for today's Russia.
    Now the vast majority of L-410 rise in the sky in this color

    well, if so ... (since you know this topic). I am an ordinary lay man and I’m a patriot of my country ... on this (initially) not knowing the situation I allowed myself to say so ... (I just knew L 410 Czechoslovakia)
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 8 November 2017 14: 08 New
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      The USSR has been around for more than 20 years, and the requirements for aircraft are even greater. We stand still, not to say even worse.
  11. complete zero
    complete zero 8 November 2017 14: 15 New
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    Quote: Sergei75
    The USSR has been around for more than 20 years, and the requirements for aircraft are even greater. We stand still, not to say even worse.

    and what do you think should be the NEW requirements for a short-haul aircraft ... capable of being operated from unprepared sites .. for me it’s quite a normal “pepelats” for myself?