Brussels is preparing a "legal obstacle" to "Nord Stream-2"

The European Commission plans to extend the internal rules of the energy market to offshore gas pipelines. Thus, Brussels intends to regulate the laying of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in Germany, reports Expert Online with reference to Reuters.

The European Parliament believes that doubling the volume of gas supplied to Germany under the Baltic Sea, bypassing Ukraine, could interfere with Brussels' plans to reduce dependence on Russian supplies, as well as reduce EU support for Kiev.

“All supply pipelines, according to the new amendments to the gas directive, will have to comply with EU rules. They should not be owned directly by gas suppliers; provide equal prices and transparent transactions. Also, providers must provide 10% of bandwidth to third parties, ”the material says.

This proposal will be discussed at a meeting of European Commissioners in Brussels tomorrow.

According to the agency, European officials want the new rules to come into force by the end of 2018, when Nord Stream 2 will also fall under them.

Earlier, Moscow spoke out categorically against Brussels' interference in the Nord Stream project.

Comments

[newcomer]

this is called: lay a pipe and leave ... do not interfere! well look at it!!!

[St Petrov]

they are finished. This is fine.

[Going]

These attempts have been and will be, Germany will not allow Brussels to intermeddle in their business.

[Monos]

In Brussels, they want to pull off the same feint as with Bulgaria. But Germany is never Bulgaria. It seems the hamsters from the European Commission have forgotten this.

[Pivot]

The Germans will put this European Commission in cancer, and they will ask who else wants to interfere with our gas pipeline.

[jjj]

Especially if the Ukrainian valve is turned a little in December

[Lelek]

Quote: Monos

In Brussels, they want to pull off the same feint as with Bulgaria.

, Victor. And the "Brussels" intrigued me - 10% "third parties" who are they?

[notingem]

Those who. cabbage. eat in Brussels. Brussels

[Monos]

Good evening Leo!

Quote: Lelek

And the "Brussels" intrigued me - 10% "third parties" who are they?

I can only assume - perhaps the Norwegians want to get a place in the pipeline for free, or maybe the Lithuanians are fussing with their floating LNG terminal "Independence".

[Bourbon]

Quote: Going

Germany will not allow Brussels to intervene in their business.

and I am on the side of Brussels .... it is necessary to remove dependence on oil and gas pipes to zero! .... grandmas should not be in pipes, but in mechanical engineering - space-medicine-electronics invest .... even grain is easier to trade ... .one China and India can be fed for at least 200 years for currency

[Going]

Only without sharp turns, it just won’t work out at once, but I agree with you.

[Bourbon]

Quote: Going

Only without sharp turns,

4 years already under sanctions - but there are NO shifts!

[Zhelezyakin]

There are no shifts for the worse, it is worth noting ...

[Bourbon]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

There are no shifts for the worse, it is worth noting ...

this is not progress - but stagnation .... you always need to move forward ... well, we will build both in Turkey and Germany, and what? ... you will be connected to gas for 250-450 rubles .... trade through a pipe is the way going nowhere....

[Krabik]

If we "break the pipe" and do not supply gas, it is not a fact that mechanical engineering and electronics will take off in our country.

Everything must be done sensibly, and if it is profitable to trade hydrocarbons, then it must be done.

Moreover, they are endless, like a grain ...

[Bourbon]

Quote: Krabik

If we "break the pipe" and do not supply gas, it is not a fact that mechanical engineering and electronics will take off in our country.

fact, since there will be nothing to sell !!!

[Krabik]

Sorry, but mechanical engineering and electronics are not for you to pick holes in the ground;)

[not main]

Quote: Burbon

Quote: Zhelezyakin

There are no shifts for the worse, it is worth noting ...

this is not progress - but stagnation .... you always need to move forward ... well, we will build both in Turkey and Germany, and what? ... you will be connected to gas for 250-450 rubles .... trade through a pipe is the way going nowhere....

We must take into account the sanctions! But when taking into account the sanctions, then if there are no shifts for the worse, then this is progress!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Burbon

Quote: Going

Only without sharp turns,

4 years already under sanctions - but there are NO shifts!

that is, you wanted Russia to replace the entire volume of GDP in the field of oil and gas in 4 years with the industries you voiced??? here the Khokhlyat engines were replaced for several years, and you just wanted everything right off the bat .... and right away !!!

[BecmepH]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: Burbon

Quote: Going

Only without sharp turns,

4 years already under sanctions - but there are NO shifts!

that is, you wanted Russia to replace the entire volume of GDP in the field of oil and gas in 4 years with the industries you voiced??? here the Khokhlyat engines were replaced for several years, and you just wanted everything right off the bat .... and right away !!!

Stalin could

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: BecmepH

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: Burbon

Quote: Going

Only without sharp turns,

4 years already under sanctions - but there are NO shifts!

that is, you wanted Russia to replace the entire volume of GDP in the field of oil and gas in 4 years with the industries you voiced??? here the Khokhlyat engines were replaced for several years, and you just wanted everything right off the bat .... and right away !!!

Stalin could

I am sure that many will not like Stalin's methods today !!!!

[nemec55]

and I am on the side of Brussels .... it is necessary to remove dependence on oil and gas pipes to zero! .... grandmas should not be in pipes, but in mechanical engineering - space-medicine-electronics invest .... even grain is easier to trade ... .one China and India can be fed for at least 200 years for currency

I agree, since it’s already painful to look at Soviet roads in the village, which you like it or not, but turn into impassable pits, and after the collapse of the USSR, the great and powerful Russia, which got up from its knees with the help of UNITED RUSSIA, does not want to repair them, since the hope is only for local hamsters from the site which one argument like this is ENOUGH TO DROP AND LIE ON THE SOFA AND GO PATCH YOURSELF

[Krabik]

Here I watched a video about a Canadian who came to our outback.

He needed a bridge - he built a bridge.

Here's a real man...

[Slovak]

To turn on the mind, you should wait for frosts and stop supplies for a month.

[DanSabaka]

or maybe it is worth laying a pipeline to the Kaliningrad region. and from there, let these "finished" (or finished?) themselves lay SP2 in Germany? ....

[Anarchist]

Leave them for one winter without gas, then they will become Silk!
Especially after the financial losses that Germany will suffer...

[Going]

The Germans will not allow, their patience is at the limit.

[79807420129]

Quote: Going

The Germans will not allow, their patience is at the limit.

And on the old woman Merkel sits a hole across the ocean. Why is she dezhat there, but she licked up Obezyanych, now she licks up at the trampadour.

[Anarchist]

Vlad, Greetings!
So the old Merkel is already starting to bend business. German business! They tell her to look for a successor ... Inside her party, the same moods are walking!

[Going]

She is not eternal, and even the United States is looking for a replacement for her, painfully frankly, she does everything at their behest.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: Going

She is not eternal, and even the United States is looking for a replacement for her, painfully frankly, she does everything at their behest.

Well, Duc, my aunt is not a complete fool, so that later you could say: "These pigs forced me"

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: 79807420129

Quote: Going

The Germans will not allow, their patience is at the limit.

And on the old woman Merkel sits a hole across the ocean. Why is she dezhat there, but she licked up Obezyanych, now she licks up at the trampadour.

in fact, the Germans hold her in power ... you see, they don’t care that they are sucking up the whole country !!!

[Berber]

If they are left without gas, such a howl about undemocratic Russia will rise. They just need a reason. Let them adopt these laws, and they themselves will cancel them. We just need to run a pipe. It was the same story for the OPAL gas pipeline. Need pressed - canceled

[Separ DNR]

Quote: newbie

this is called: lay a pipe and leave ... do not interfere! well look at it!!!

Unfortunately, as they say, Russia itself allows itself to be addressed in such a tone.
Alas, it is...

[St Petrov]

Russia sells - the buyer is capricious. But you have to sell. So everything is like in the market, only big

[serriy]

WHY "SHOULD BE SOLD"!? Closed on gas-oil-metals-wood...
Need to stop!
To engage in production, AND NOT TO BE A WORLD COMMODITY ADDITION!

[St Petrov]

it's fantasy. we've kind of grown up here. we don’t study at school and have been ill with idealism

Appendices do not build nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power stations around the world, do not lift MS-21 and Su-57 into the air and do not have a constellation of navigation satellites in orbit, and there is much more to write about our "appendage".

[Azim77]

All right. It would be foolish to sell oil and gas with such reserves later, when the need for them subsides (which is very likely in the future). Since there is demand now, then you need to sell now. A lot of European countries, if they had such stocks, would have been hard selling them without any complexes. Norway example. And the development of industry should go in parallel, i.e. it is necessary to receive and develop the benefit in all directions.

[serriy]

Well, yes, we puff up as best we can. We still remember the former power. We raise MS 21, but we fly Boeings and Airbuses.
А raw material appendage - an accomplished fact.
By the way, "nuclear power plants around the world" - and waste to yourself. Proud!? (((
We build for our own loans! USUALLY!!! For your money, to someone! What are we proud of!?
Well, is the automation at those "nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power plants around the world" ours? )))
IT'S BETTER TO DEVELOP YOURSELF, YOUR COUNTRY. IT'S TIME TO CHANGE AND CHANGE, INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT! ENOUGH LIBERALISM!

[St Petrov]

By the way, "nuclear power plants around the world" - and waste to yourself. Proud!?

Russia has a closed recycling cycle. We will send them back processed waste for cash

We build for our own loans! USUALLY!!! For your money, to someone! What are we proud of!?

you've simplified it too much.

IT'S BETTER TO DEVELOP YOURSELF, YOUR COUNTRY. IT'S TIME TO CHANGE AND CHANGE

compare photos of Ekb for 98 and 2017. And so in any city with a million people. For the sake of interest.

Look at Moscow, Krasnodar, Volgograd, Vladivostok, Sochi and so on.

Compare the infrastructure before and after the World Cup - later, for fun

Well, all major cities with embankments are already being transformed too

[serriy]

Russia has a closed recycling cycle. We will send them back processed waste for cash

To whom to return, for what cash!? We keep this shit!
We build everything "all over the world" with our own money. What is simplified!?
What to see in cities? Showcase picture!? All is well, beautiful marquise!
I repeat: the country as a raw material appendage is an accomplished fact
Patriot? Me too. But not a liberal. But not with rose-colored glasses.

[St Petrov]

To whom to return, for what cash!? We keep this shit!

broaden your horizons. While you are standing still, the country is moving forward and has already begun to process nuclear waste

What to see in cities? Showcase picture!? All is well, beautiful marquise!

I wish your city not to update the "showcase" and live with what has been left since 98.

I repeat: the country as a raw material appendage is an accomplished fact

On the echo of Matza and not such facts will be voiced

[serriy]

You are a demagogue, my friend. This is first. Empty demagogue. In fact, you have nothing to answer, you are talking nonsense. This is second.
To wish Moscow to "live with what's left since 98" is vile. True, I don’t know exactly why you have “since 98”. I guess. )))

[St Petrov]

You are a demagogue, my friend. This is first. Empty demagogue. In fact, you have nothing to answer, you are talking nonsense. This is second.

if there are moments - which you have not even heard of - this does not mean that I am a demagogue.

So that you wash yourself, I give you a DIRECTION in the search for analysis. So that they don't look like they look now.

During operation in a reactor with fast neutrons, secondary elements are formed due to the fission reaction, which, when absorbed by the uranium mass, form the newly created nuclear material plutonium-239, capable of continuing the process of further fission. The main advantage of this reaction is the production of plutonium neutrons, which is used as fuel for nuclear reactors at nuclear power plants. Its presence makes it possible to reduce the production of uranium, the reserves of which are limited. From a kilogram of uranium-235, a little more than a kilogram of plutonium-239 can be obtained, thereby ensuring the reproduction of fuel.

As a result, energy production in nuclear power units with the lowest consumption of scarce uranium and the absence of restrictions on production will increase hundreds of times. It is estimated that in this case, uranium reserves will be enough for mankind for several tens of centuries. The best option in the nuclear power industry to maintain a balance in terms of the minimum consumption of uranium will be a ratio of 4 to 1, where four thermal reactors will use one fast neutron reactor.

To wish Moscow to "live with what's left since 98" is vile. True, I don’t know exactly why you have “since 98”. I guess. )))

not to understand where the changes are, living in Moscow is the height of blindness.
I expected that you would bring me a counterargument from some village of Teriberka - they say little has changed - and you are also from Moscow. Ugh

Only an actor from the circus will say that Moscow 98 = Moscow 2017. I take the year 98 - as a PIK of all the shit that our Motherland experienced after the events of the 90s

[Bearded]

And not large ones are transformed with a minus sign .....

[Andrey Panov]

WHAT are you going to produce? What item will the queue line up for?

[Orionvit]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Russia sells - the buyer is capricious. But you have to sell.

The buyer is not capricious, but simply arrogant. All by the fact that this buyer has not "starved" for a long time, so he is furious with fat.

[newcomer]

yeah, that's not the case here. this is already what kind of attempt to settle SP2? and this will lead to nothing. there is an alternative_ winter geiropoarmageddon ala frost.

[Finches]

Turn off gas to Europe - yes, we will lose money, but if all the top managers of Gazprom, including Miller (it is interesting that he has Israeli citizenship), have their salaries cut, then the people of Russia will not notice this ...

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Finches

if all the top managers of Gazprom, including Miller (interestingly, he has Israeli citizenship), cut their salaries, then the people of Russia will not notice this ...

The people won't notice. Those to whom "top managers" bring in "a small fraction" will notice. And they, the people, will not forgive this.

[d ^ Amir]

everything is so much funnier!!!!! this is called "do not interfere with the hegemon to make money on suckers" !!!!!! edge of cynicism...

and a link to go ... separately ....
https://vz.ru/news/2017/11/6/894038.html

[Shurik70]

Well, WADA had such a ride. We found out what drugs (harmless, non-doping, useful) Russian athletes use and before the Olympics announced meldonium as doping.
The same principle. Find out which pipes Russia uses and strictly declare them forbidden.
It is clear that in the end the gas pipeline will be built (in Ukraine, if horses do not steal it, then they will blow it up), but Europe does not want to freeze. But they want to get on their nerves. Fie on them. Maybe let them buy from America in three years and persuade us to resume the project?

[d ^ Amir]

Maybe let them buy from America in three ways

forced to repeat...

[Zhelezyakin]

Well, well, they will be third parties, in the person of Amer tankers. There was news today about the supply of LNG by Amer and the origin of that gas ... They are dripping a hole for themselves.

[d ^ Amir]

Good afternoon "!!! Are you talking about deliveries from Ust-Luga ???? complete tin ...

[Mountain shooter]

Well, stock up on popcorn. If Germany is ZAEST, she will turn this Brussels into a ram's horn. After the removal of Britain, Brussels has nothing to "play", Germany will not allow anyone to get into her ... PURSE.

[exo]

It makes sense to simply stop selling gas to Europe through Ukraine. Yes, we will lose a lot of money. But, we will leave this humiliation.

[faridg7]

I have been saying for a long time that it is necessary to stop selling gas to Europe altogether. Our country is practically non-gasified, and we are lamenting - ah brussels ah brussels. Well, of course, we want currency, but inside the country they will only pay in rubles - this is not included in the plans of the Russian elite.

[ando_bor]

Quote: faridg7

it is necessary to stop selling gas to Europe altogether. Our country is practically non-gasified

This is what America is striving for, even their LNG, which is 2-3 times more expensive than Russian gas, will go to Europe because the end consumer still pays more than LNG costs - slightly reduce the appetites of distributors and there will be practically no price increase, and Russia will be out of the market thrown out.
Gasification in Russia is 66%, and where the population density is close to European or at least 2-3 times lower, close to 100%, there is no gas where the density is 10-100 times lower than European, the gas pipe to the house is 100 times more expensive than in Europe is worth it, at such a gasification price, it doesn’t matter how much the gas itself will cost and in what currency.

[faridg7]

Is the population density in Vladivostok and its suburbs so far from European? Ussuriysk, Nakhodka, Arseniev, Dalnerechensk, Khabarovsk, what are these, small villages? or do not our citizens live in them, to whom the guarantor tells that the subsoil belongs to them as well? Why, with all this, I pay almost a kilowatt 6 rubles, and in neighboring Suifenhe, a Chinese locksmith pays 25 cents per kilowatt produced at Bureyskaya HPP

[S-kerrigan]

Damn, you seem to be, at first glance, an adult, but the logic here is at the kindergarten level.
Well, more than 25% of the population of the Russian Federation does not live in the Far East (if I suddenly have very outdated data, I ask for a proof in response). And the distances are, "Mom, don't worry." "My" Tomsk region "is like the whole of France". And this is not the largest part of our country. Distances! Gas pipelines need compression through N-kilometers. In short, the supply lines themselves are too expensive. Yes, they all pull. But far from being a priority - there are more important concerns. During my life in the Russian Federation, the Tomsk region was mostly gasified. And this despite the fact that both oil and gas are produced right there on the spot.

As for China and electricity, there is a lot of things that need to be explained and told in theory. But here's the paradox - an adult, and so all this, in theory, is obliged to understand / know himself, if he does not live "in his little world."

Damn, I didn’t want to write like that, but it was already bombed from the “hysterical squirrels”.

[faridg7]

The logic may be at the level of a kindergarten (I do not pretend to be awarded the Nobel Prize), BUT, let it be known to you that gas is supplied to the south of Primorsky Territory through a gas pipeline, and it has been carried out to Russky Island for three years already. The Vladivostok CHPP1 and the boiler house of the University in Russky were supplied with gas. EVERYTHING, the gasification of Primorsky Krai is over. This is a word about the necessary compression stations - they already exist,
Secondly, I am just outraged that the gasification of the Far East is not a priority (in your own words), and against the background of the fact that we are trumpeting the whole country about the need to make the Far East attractive for life. And if you understand in this context, then the gasification of the region is only a small fad of the necessary.
Well, in the end, I don’t understand in my right mind (although you think that you must understand) on what basis the electricity produced in Russia is sold to China many times cheaper than it enters the internal networks of Russia.

[S-kerrigan]

Well, in the end, I don’t understand in my right mind (although you think that you must understand) on what basis the electricity produced in Russia is sold to China many times cheaper than it enters the internal networks of Russia.

I could try to talk about this topic in detail. But alas, I unfortunately work without holidays. Morally a little "under pressure". And in detail to state "why so" I stupidly do not have the strength, sorry.

this is just a small point

I disagree a little - this is still an important point. As well as trunk communication lines (BBA). With this in the Far East, everything is still not so hot. And yes, I don’t like the situation with China, that the alignment with our Far East is with you. I completely agree that it is "necessary" and "important". However, there are two main factors:
- more important tasks (which are entrusted to one person, thereby taking away their "resource" ... you will agree with me that the tasks are solved by personnel, and with this "resource" we are not so rosy)
- less important tasks that are already on the ground consciously or unconsciously footballed / distorted (by other personnel).
In fact, we have what we have.

PS In physics, one of the most difficult tasks is modeling the interaction of a group of particles. And when there are "many" of them, the task becomes difficult (or not at all) solvable. The situation in the field of interaction, coordination and management in the country resembles this - very complex mutual influences.

[faridg7]

That's why, I am against liberals and democrats and for the executions of officials (start shooting officials and the task with the behavior of many particles will be simplified from unsolvable to multiplication table).

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: ando_bor

slightly reduce the appetites of distributors and there will be practically no price increase

This is especially evident in the example of LNG for Psheks ... something, and the Americans could indicatively sell it to them at a low price ... but they didn’t !!! and you are talking about huge volumes for the EU!!!

[tihonmarine]

Officials do not need rubles, give them dollars.

[Sergey-8848]

Here, too, the reverent attitude of European bureaucrats to the current freebie (money, positions, nomenclature) manifests itself as a desire to regulate everything and everything. They are still trying to scold our State Planning Commission. And for themselves - potatoes are only oval with two eyes, carrots are conical at 12 degrees, etc., etc. Yes, we did not even dream of such a madhouse! No wonder the islanders fled from there, as the most sensitive.
But the main thing, of course, is the desire to spoil Russia.

[Masya masya]

as well as reduce EU support for Kyiv.

They took up feeding the country, so feed ... otherwise it turns out now, you also need to support your panties ...

[newcomer]

so the geyropians want to dance Ukrland, and feed it at our expense. I can't even find the words to express it.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: newbie

so the geyropians want to dance Ukrland, and feed it at our expense. I can't even find the words to express it.

Yes, what are the Euros there ... here ours offer to save Hohland !!!

[antivirus]

written on other occasions - but to the point.
you can’t lay two pipes in one place ... everything flows (brains of partners), everything changes (China’s requests) - DAM has already asked a question about the Zap route, through Altai to China.
all by notes. without improvisation, we will be forced out of Europe.
THE FREEDOM IS ENDING (2-3 YEARS MORE)
WEAKNESS OF DIPLOMACY (NOT ONE Foreign Ministry) in 7-10 years comes around. Delivery (km) from the USA = delivery from western Siberia + western bankers want to loop money at home)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - this is the main thing.
Gref and Kostin lost (in friendship with the Germans and Swiss against the Amerians), and GDP and DAM will not pay us pensions and roads will not be built
apparently a second oil pipeline to China is also needed - time ????

antivirus 3 Today, 11:10 | Riyadh believes Lebanon has declared war on them
THIS IS NOT BAD.
BAD LIFE WILL COME WHEN THE CAMELS HAVE NOTHING TO FEED.
I have been asking my friends from Israel for a year, what will you do ... when ..?
GBB is changing and demographics + finances + external forces (ASIA IS GOING).
everything flows, everything changes ... and the sand too.
you can't climb the same dune twice

[Gormenghast]

And what prevents, on an equal footing, from extending Russian legislation to neutral waters, in which there is neither a third package nor a thirty-third one?

[Alexey RA]

All supply pipelines, according to the new amendments to the gas directive, will have to comply with EU rules. They should not be owned directly by gas suppliers; provide equal prices and transparent transactions. Also, providers must provide 10% bandwidth to third parties.

Gorgeous. It is strange why these rules were not extended, for example, to branded car dealerships?
Branded car dealerships should not be owned directly by car suppliers; provide equal prices and transparent transactions. Also, the owners of branded car dealerships must provide 10% of the salon to third parties.
And how much space opens up if you use the same principles in relation to airlines ... for example, force Qatar Airways to provide 10% of the seats for Rianair passengers.

[Eurodav]

Quote: Finches

Turn off gas to Europe - yes, we will lose money, but if all the top managers of Gazprom, including Miller (it is interesting that he has Israeli citizenship), have their salaries cut, then the people of Russia will not notice this ...

You are interested? So why did it come up? At the very bottom, about him, but about citizenship ... At any time, as soon as he decides to jump off ...

Zhirinovsky about Jews - part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qDJXHyu_o
Of course, Zhirinovsky admits a certain amount of fantasy in his reasoning.
But for a person who knows the history of the Jews in the New Age, and who knows how they seized power in America and European countries, there is nothing incredible in this story by Zhirinovsky. Just the details and numbers may be wrong, but the trend is indicated - apparently correct.
The process is underway
And what are the Jews doing with our country?
They take away and steal from us under our noses our Motherland, watered with the blood of our ancestors. , deputy ministers - everywhere Jews Lawyers, directors of TV channels and radio stations, chief editors of newspapers - Jews
But the main thing is not in the very fact that they are Jews - but in what these Jews do
Jews deliberately and methodically take away our country from the Russians.
Jewish oligarchs Alexander Smolensky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Boris Berezovsky and Vladimir Gusinsky celebrate their triumph

And it continues to this day
This process accelerated again, acquired a downright avalanche-like character - with the advent of Medvedev Even if we leave aside the question - what percentage of Jewish blood is in Medvedev himself, his wife is authentically Jewish in Russia - but I don’t know of a single speech where Medvedev used the expression - “Russian people”
The introduction of a visa-free regime with Israel - and this despite the fact that Israel was on the side of Georgia in a military conflict with Russia At meetings with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, Medvedev, in order to show that he is his own, uses Hebrew words with might and main The most recent appointments of Medvedev - mayor Moscow Sobyanin - Jewish wife, Jew Mikhail Fedotov in October 2010 was appointed presidential adviser to promote the development of civil society institutions and human rights
In the field of economic policy, Medvedev relies on the Jew Dvorkovich, an aide to the president, and on Yevgeny Shlyomovich Gontmakher, a member of the board of the Institute of Contemporary Development
More information about the Medvedev clan is placed at the end ...

Many Jews already feel like kings in Russia
The Jew Alexey Borisovich Miller, the head of Gazprom, is building a palace for himself on the shore of the Istra reservoir according to the plans of Peter the Great - modeled on the royal residence of Petrodvrets (in the summer the message about this bypassed the media) ...... (taken from here - http://ros-sea -ru.livejournal.com/530982.html)

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Evrodav

Of course, Zhirinovsky admits

after Zhirik's tricks around Turkey, he finally does not deserve attention !!! didn't expect him to fall so low

[demo]

The European Parliament believes that doubling the volume of gas supplied to Germany under the Baltic Sea, bypassing Ukraine, could interfere with Brussels' plans to reduce dependence on Russian supplies, as well as reduce EU support for Kiev.

And if gas continued to flow through Ukraine, then the dependence would be less
Or does the transit of Russian gas through an unfriendly country, with facts of unauthorized withdrawal (theft), add stability to the EU?
Sergei Viktorovich! Ay! Where are you, with your catchphrase?!

[Piramidon]

...providers must share 10% of bandwidth with third parties

Since 2011, the OPAL gas pipeline (the onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline through Germany) has kept 50% of the throughput capacity for such "third parties". For some reason, not a single person was found. And only now the EU has graciously allowed this reserve to be filled with Russian gas. Well, D.B.!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Piramidon

Since 2011, the OPAL gas pipeline (the onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline through Germany) has kept 50% of the throughput capacity for such "third parties". For some reason, not a single person was found.

Were. Only every time it was the third party of Gazprom.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Piramidon

Since 2011, the OPAL gas pipeline (the onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline through Germany) has kept 50% of the throughput capacity for such "third parties". For some reason, not a single person was found.

Were. Only every time it was the third party of Gazprom.

the hand of the Kremlin, the face of Gazprom!!!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Piramidon

...providers must share 10% of bandwidth with third parties

Since 2011, the OPAL gas pipeline (the onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline through Germany) has kept 50% of the throughput capacity for such "third parties". For some reason, not a single person was found. And only now the EU has graciously allowed this reserve to be filled with Russian gas. Well, D.B.!

it is necessary to study in detail the scheme of the opal ... there is a high probability that there is no one there to physically attach to the pipe !!!

[Zomanus]

Well then, let them pull the pipe from the Turks or the Chinese.
I think that these two pipelines, to China and Turkey, will definitely work by 2019.
And, you can still carry our gas to Europe with American gas carriers.
By the way, it will also be nice ... for us.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: Zomanus

Well then, let them pull the pipe from the Turks or the Chinese.
I think that these two pipelines, to China and Turkey, will definitely work by 2019.
And, you can still carry our gas to Europe with American gas carriers.
By the way, it will also be nice ... for us.

Only at the stage of the agreement to share THEIR (American) profits, so that life does not seem like raspberries

[Bronevick]

So Brussels does not pour gas.

[evil partisan]

Though a carcass, even a scarecrow, but to spoil Russia - that's the whole philosophy of the EU.

[Icarus]

Somehow it doesn't matter whether there will be SP-2 or not. Natural rent to Russian citizens is not paid from the gas sold abroad. Gazprom is a commercial organization (although 50% of the shares are controlled by the Russian government), with a clumsy and inefficient management. It is even better that SP-2 does not work, you see, more will be spent on gasification of villages in Russia.

[St Petrov]

Somehow it doesn't matter whether there will be SP-2 or not. Natural rent to Russian citizens is not paid from the gas sold abroad. Gazprom is a commercial organization (although 50% of the shares are controlled by the Russian government), with a clumsy and inefficient management.

normal such porridge in your head.

Nothing clicks from such theories in your head?

It is even better that SP-2 does not work, you see, more will be spent on gasification of villages in Russia.

I think it is necessary to somehow calculate everything and protect your family (and all relatives by wife) from paying pensions and other social benefits that are available in our country through the sale of natural resources. You look and which village will be connected to the gas sooner or later

[Icarus]

normal such porridge in your head

Don't confuse my porridge with yours.

I think it is necessary to somehow calculate everything and protect your family (and all relatives by wife) from paying pensions and other social benefits that are available in our country through the sale of natural resources. You look and which village will be connected to the gas sooner or later

.
I won’t mind, but first, the payment of rent to my family, including ALL family members, and we’ll figure out who gets the pension, and who gets what. And the villages will be connected to the gas, after the dismissal of all officials (including the FIU), who will have nothing to distribute and "cut".

[Icarus]

But relatives earned their pension by their own labor and they are entitled to rent on top of the pension.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Icarus

Somehow it doesn't matter whether there will be SP-2 or not. Natural rent to Russian citizens is not paid from the gas sold abroad. Gazprom is a commercial organization (although 50% of the shares are controlled by the Russian government), with a clumsy and inefficient management. It is even better that SP-2 does not work, you see, more will be spent on gasification of villages in Russia.

give your alignment on the rent lope, to whom and when should it fall according to your scheme ??? well, and immediately in parallel, the alignment in which to find funds in the budget to replace funds from natural rent !!!

[Icarus]

Only after you. First, you have your budget plan. And it is very desirable to indicate how much in rubles revenues from natural rent in the budget, for example, 2017 Just don't confuse rent with excise revenue.

[serriy]

Gazprom will lay pipes and sell gas on any terms.
Shriek in public and sell.
Policy. Not a business. But some people have enough.

[St Petrov]

Policy. Not a business. But some people have enough.

50 something to millions of pensioners in the Russian Federation? Or are they paid pensions from the sale of machine tools? Can we sell microelectronics for such amounts? Or was wheat sent abroad to pay pensions for a year?

Or maybe we have so much business (and most importantly it works without gray schemes) that there are enough taxes for social movements?

Maybe you pay trillions in taxes, but we just don't know everything. Everyone thought that with the help of the sale of oil we keep the social program

[serriy]

"... Ostap carried ..."
Here you will not receive answers to your questions, and you do not perceive them. you to a specialist. They won't help here.

[St Petrov]

Gazprom will lay pipes and sell gas on any terms. fool
Shriek in public and sell.

"... Ostap carried ..." - as for me. Can you refute my words?

What does the Russian Federation earn on to pay a pension to 50 million? Maybe I really don’t understand something, or is it like in the topic with a fast neutron reactor? You never answered. And I tried to convey to you the vector in which you need to look for information

[serriy]

You never answered. And I tried to convey to you the vector in which you need to look for information

As they say, no comment

You are in the image of a permanent right-wing liberal patriot.
Now you are proving that the country cannot live without the sale of gas and oil. I do not refute.
And before that, they splashed with saliva, proving that we have an industrialized country.
And why argue with that?
You won't feel better here. Once again: you to a specialist.

[St Petrov]

Now you are proving that the country cannot live without the sale of gas and oil. I do not refute.

you misunderstood everything

The country can live - it cannot pay pensions. Because pensioners, beneficiaries and state employees are a third of the population or more. And the added value of the product is created by only 15 million for the whole country.

Therefore, before you shout, you need to understand why.

[St Petrov]

As they say, no comment smile lol laughing
You are in the image permanently right liberal patriot.

maybe everything is simpler and you just broadcast here from your circus? And I'm trying to convey something to the actor, I give chewed information. quotes. But there are those who do not invest anything - all empty space. saw such.

Maybe a video for you? Well, to get better? The test is probably hard to understand. And here are the pictures, the video. For the most gifted

Listen to the Deputy Chief Engineer of the Beloyarsk NPP. Well, so as not to draw emoticons after a ridiculous joke

And before that, they splashed with saliva, proving that we have an industrialized country.

only a clown would think otherwise.

[zulusuluz]

In the winter from 2019 to 2020, they will change their minds abruptly. And the necessary laws will be introduced, and permits.

[Piramidon]

Quote: zulusuluz

In the winter from 2019 to 2020, they will change their minds abruptly. And the necessary laws will be introduced, and permits.

Until the ukrotruba finally rots and its systematic breaks begin, they will not change their minds. Even after 2019, Gazprom does not intend to completely block transit through Ukraine. Just cut. And, what the hell is not joking, maybe the EU will buy a pipe from jerboas and invest in its modernization.

[Severok]

Four-fifths of Russia is sitting on wood and coal with fuel oil, but b-i, "northern stream" and "the power of siberia." To fill a 40 kg propane cylinder, the trickster leaves, and they, this Moscow thieves, joyfully squealing gas to the enemies of Russia, send it!

Enemy of the people OAO Gazprom.

[ZVO]

Quote: Severok

Four-fifths of Russia is sitting on wood and coal with fuel oil, but b-i, "northern stream" and "the power of siberia." To fill a 40 kg propane cylinder, the trickster leaves, and they, this Moscow thieves, joyfully squealing gas to the enemies of Russia, send it!

Enemy of the people OAO Gazprom.

To be honest, it is.
Connecting to gas costs hundreds of thousands of rubles. some go into the millions.
And all the offices of Gazprom, all these MezhRegionGas, OblGas are like palaces filled with the masters of life. Where the most low-skilled secretary goes to a business lunch in a Japanese restaurant and nothing else.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Severok

Four-fifths of Russia sits on wood and coal with fuel oil,

where did you learn to manipulate so mediocre???

[Piramidon]

Quote: Severok

Four-fifths of Russia sits on wood and coal with fuel oil,

Well, why lie so brazenly? After all, anyone who knows how to search the Internet can see that the level of gasification with natural gas in Russia in 2017 reached 67,2%. The remaining 33% is not 4/5.
Even inveterate liberals moan that ONE-THIRD of Russia is sitting without gas, citing the level of gasification of European countries as an example, but they do not compare the area of ​​these countries with the area of ​​Russia.

[ZVO]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Severok

Four-fifths of Russia sits on wood and coal with fuel oil,

Well, why lie so brazenly? After all, anyone who knows how to search the Internet can see that the level of gasification with natural gas in Russia in 2017 reached 67,2%. The remaining 33% is not 4/5.
Even inveterate liberals moan that ONE-THIRD of Russia is sitting without gas, citing the level of gasification of European countries as an example, but they do not compare the area of ​​these countries with the area of ​​Russia.

Now look at the share of urban and rural population...

[Piramidon]

Quote: ZVO

Now look at the share of urban and rural population...

If you live in a village of three houses, why should you pull a pipe to you? I lived in a village of 50 inhabitants, all my life under the USSR I used bottled gas, and 7 years ago all our houses were gasified. So sell your liberal theses to other suckers, Maybe they will believe and sing along to you

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: ZVO

Now look at the share of urban and rural population...

and the share of the rural population is somehow taken into account in a privileged manner ??? well, there will be a thousand villages not gasified with a population of a million ... so what, yelling that half of Russia is sitting without gas ???

[ZVO]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: ZVO

Now look at the share of urban and rural population...

and the share of the rural population is somehow taken into account in a privileged manner ??? well, there will be a thousand villages not gasified with a population of a million ... so what, yelling that half of Russia is sitting without gas ???

And the fact that there is no gas - there are no amenities for life.
There are no amenities for life in the countryside - there is migration to the cities.
There is a migration to the cities - agriculture is dying.
Agriculture is dying - there is a purchase of food abroad.
The country's food security is being disrupted.
And the money, as it were, from Gazprom, the proceeds from the export of gas - remain in the same west - go to the purchase of products.
End up in the west with money. and we are without gas and with shit.
And in the case of sanctions, we will have no one to even "import substitution" to "invent" ...
For there will be no more labor resources for agriculture.
Everyone will be in the cities - and 1 out of 1000 is already returning from the cities.

But you don't have the brains to understand even such simple logic.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: ZVO

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: ZVO

Now look at the share of urban and rural population...

and the share of the rural population is somehow taken into account in a privileged manner ??? well, there will be a thousand villages not gasified with a population of a million ... so what, yelling that half of Russia is sitting without gas ???

And the fact that there is no gas - there are no amenities for life.
There are no amenities for life in the countryside - there is migration to the cities.
There is a migration to the cities - agriculture is dying.
Agriculture is dying - there is a purchase of food abroad.
The country's food security is being disrupted.
And the money, as it were, from Gazprom, the proceeds from the export of gas - remain in the same west - go to the purchase of products.
End up in the west with money. and we are without gas and with shit.
And in the case of sanctions, we will have no one to even "import substitution" to "invent" ...
For there will be no more labor resources for agriculture.
Everyone will be in the cities - and 1 out of 1000 is already returning from the cities.

But you don't have the brains to understand even such simple logic.

you have problems with your brains ... you lied about one thing ... then you started spouting other nonsense in order to chat your lies !!!!

[ZVO]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: ZVO

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: ZVO

Now look at the share of urban and rural population...

and the share of the rural population is somehow taken into account in a privileged manner ??? well, there will be a thousand villages not gasified with a population of a million ... so what, yelling that half of Russia is sitting without gas ???

And the fact that there is no gas - there are no amenities for life.
There are no amenities for life in the countryside - there is migration to the cities.
There is a migration to the cities - agriculture is dying.
Agriculture is dying - there is a purchase of food abroad.
The country's food security is being disrupted.
And the money, as it were, from Gazprom, the proceeds from the export of gas - remain in the same west - go to the purchase of products.
End up in the west with money. and we are without gas and with shit.
And in the case of sanctions, we will have no one to even "import substitution" to "invent" ...
For there will be no more labor resources for agriculture.
Everyone will be in the cities - and 1 out of 1000 is already returning from the cities.

But you don't have the brains to understand even such simple logic.

you have problems with your brains ... you lied about one thing ... then you started spouting other nonsense in order to chat your lies !!!!

Those. normal human logic sorted out on the shelves - is incomprehensible to you ... Well, it's clear - you're writing that one yell. Thousands of you have already been specially recruited ...
You don’t need a head and brains - you write only that anyway. what they slip you in the training manuals.
Bring healthy patriotism - with your yelling to insanity. Then the word patriot, because of people like you, becomes abusive. And you are selling for the State Department loot ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: ZVO

Those. normal human logic

what is the logic??? when a question about the Crimea appeared, you immediately zatroil!!! and tie the State Department loot to write your nonsense here !!!

[ZVO]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: ZVO

Those. normal human logic

what is the logic??? when a question about the Crimea appeared, you immediately zatroil!!! and tie the State Department loot to write your nonsense here !!!

I do not see a question about the Crimea! To whom did you ask it?
Did you forget to re-login?

You are a fat troll, but dumb and funny... NVT...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: ZVO

I do not see a question about the Crimea! To whom did you ask it?
Did you forget to re-login?

no, just confused you with another troll!!! he zatroil in the Crimea !!! and you zatroil about counting the population "with gas" and began to give out spatial speeches !!!

[HMR333]

well, in fact, they don’t give a damn about what they stir up there, how they will complete the construction to Turkey, close the Ukrainian stream and will supply it through Turkey, and there whoever wants to buy, and knowing the need to buy them, these all law projects are fiction!

[Zhelezyakin]

Quote: Burbon

this is not progress - but stagnation

Taking into account external pressure (the notorious sanctions), to remain in the same positions!? Well, I disagree that it's a stalemate. Rather, this is an indicator of not bad resilience of the economy, or the low efficiency of that very impact. I would like to believe that the first factor has more weight.

Quote: Burbon

you always have to move forward

Completely in solidarity! So let's move on, shall we?

Quote: Burbon

you will be connected to gas for 250-450 rubles .... trading through a pipe is a road to nowhere ....

I didn't understand it at all. It is necessary not to trade in a pipe, but to trade differently or something?

[serriy]

s-t Petrov,
Yes... Well... You can't be stopped.
Do not answer. This is not for you. This is for you to a specialist.

[St Petrov]

My wife in such cases says: "Oh, that's it"

Well, she's a woman. She can. Our brains are wired differently.

[serriy]

Complete eccentric, who is interested in your invented wife? You are carrying nonsense. Delirium of the patient.
Complain to a specialist about your brain problems. Comments won't heal you. All.

[Nemesis]

Russia should not be led by Ukraine and the EU ... If you don’t like it, let them buy in the USA, let’s see how their businessmen sing from this news ... The US gas terminal in the Baltics has already proven its financial inefficiency.

[Sergey53]

Everyone wants to earn money for free on someone else's x.e without investing a penny. Why don't you build yourself, gentlemen?

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Separ DNR

Unfortunately, as they say, Russia itself allows itself to be addressed in such a tone. Alas, it is...

Do you propose launching a couple of rockets there to speed up the process?

[kaserog]

Quote: Severok

Fill up a 40 kg propane tank, the trickster leaves,

vashcheto 800 r goes to autogas refueling and connect gas read government decree 1314

[Troll]

On the one hand: To score on the pipe, not to build it and not to supply anything, they say, when gas is needed, they themselves will crawl. On the other hand, this is exactly what the Americans need, they will immediately enter the freed market.
It's hard for a campaign to be a manager and solve issues worth millions

[viach]

Why would they (Brussels) set out to dispose of other people's property? They cannot cope with the dictate of the Americans, they decided that they have the right to dictate to Russia. In vain!