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Brussels is preparing a "legal obstacle" to "Nord Stream-2"

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The European Commission plans to extend the internal rules of the energy market to offshore gas pipelines. Thus, Brussels intends to regulate the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline in Germany, reports Expert Online with reference to the Reuters agency.




The European Parliament believes that doubling the volume of gas supplied to Germany under the Baltic Sea, bypassing Ukraine, may hinder Brussels' plans to reduce dependence on Russian supplies, as well as reduce EU support for Kiev.

“All supply pipelines, according to the new amendments to the gas directive, will have to comply with EU rules. They should not be owned directly by gas suppliers; provide the same prices and transparent transactions. Suppliers must also provide 10% bandwidth to third parties, ”the report says.

This proposal will be discussed at a meeting of European Commissioners in Brussels tomorrow.

According to the agency, European officials want the new rules to take effect by the end of 2018, then Nord Stream-2 will fall under them.

Earlier, Moscow strongly opposed the intervention of Brussels in the Nord Stream project.
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 7 November 2017 13: 32 New
    19
    This is called: lay the pipe and leave ... do not bother! Well, and bragging !!!
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 7 November 2017 13: 36 New
      +9
      they are finished. this is normal.
      1. Going
        Going 7 November 2017 13: 40 New
        12
        These attempts have been and will be; Germany will not allow Brussels to interfere in their business.
        1. Monos
          Monos 7 November 2017 13: 50 New
          21
          In Brussels, they want to crank up the same feint as with Bulgaria. That's just Germany has never Bulgaria. It seems that the hamsters from the European Commission have forgotten this. smile
          1. Pivot
            Pivot 7 November 2017 15: 52 New
            +2
            The Germans will put this European Commission in cancer, and will ask who else wants to interfere with our gas pipeline.
            1. jjj
              jjj 7 November 2017 16: 01 New
              +4
              Especially if in December the Ukrainian valve is tightened a little
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 7 November 2017 19: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Monos
            In Brussels, they want to crank up the same feint as with Bulgaria.


            hi Victor. And I was intrigued by the "Brussels" - 10% "third parties" who is this?
            1. notingem
              notingem 7 November 2017 19: 34 New
              +2
              Those who. cabbage. in Brussels they eat. Brussels
            2. Monos
              Monos 7 November 2017 20: 55 New
              +4
              Good evening, Leo! hi
              Quote: Lelek
              And the Brussels intrigued me - 10%; "third parties" who is this?

              I can only guess - maybe the Norwegians want a freebie for a place in the pipe, or maybe the Lithuanians are scurrying around with their floating LNG terminal "Independence".
        2. Burbon
          Burbon 7 November 2017 13: 53 New
          10
          Quote: Going
          Germany will not allow Brussels to interfere in their business.

          and I’m on the side of Brussels .... it’s necessary to remove dependence on oil and gas pipes to zero! .... grandmas should be invested not in pipes but in engineering, space-medicine, electronics .... even it’s easier to trade grain ... .one China and India can feed for the currency at least 200 years
          1. Going
            Going 7 November 2017 13: 56 New
            13
            Only without sharp turns, it just won’t work out at once, but I agree with you.
            1. Burbon
              Burbon 7 November 2017 13: 57 New
              10
              Quote: Going
              Only without sharp turns,

              for 4 years now as under sanctions - but there are NO shifts!
              1. Zhelezyakin
                Zhelezyakin 7 November 2017 14: 12 New
                11
                There are no shifts for the worse, it’s worth noting ...
                1. Burbon
                  Burbon 7 November 2017 14: 24 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Zhelezyakin
                  There are no shifts for the worse, it’s worth noting ...

                  it’s not progress - but stagnation .... you always need to move in front ... well, we’ll lay it in Turkey and Germany, so what? ... you will get gas for 250-450 000 rubles .... trade through the pipe is the way going nowhere....
                  1. Krabik
                    Krabik 7 November 2017 20: 42 New
                    +3
                    If we “break the pipe” and don’t supply gas, it’s not a fact that mechanical engineering and electronics will take off.

                    Everything needs to be done meaningfully and if it is profitable to trade in hydrocarbons, then it must be done.

                    Moreover, they are endless, like a grain ...
                    1. Burbon
                      Burbon 7 November 2017 20: 54 New
                      0
                      Quote: Krabik
                      If we “break the pipe” and don’t supply gas, it’s not a fact that mechanical engineering and electronics will take off.

                      fact, since there will be nothing to sell !!!
                      1. Krabik
                        Krabik 7 November 2017 21: 43 New
                        0
                        Sorry, but engineering and electronics - this is not for you to dig holes in the ground;)
                  2. not main
                    not main 7 November 2017 22: 00 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Burbon
                    Quote: Zhelezyakin
                    There are no shifts for the worse, it’s worth noting ...

                    it’s not progress - but stagnation .... you always need to move in front ... well, we’ll lay it in Turkey and Germany, so what? ... you will get gas for 250-450 000 rubles .... trade through the pipe is the way going nowhere....

                    Sanctions must be taken into account! But when taking into account sanctions, then if there are no shifts for the worse, then this is progress!
              2. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 14 New
                +4
                Quote: Burbon
                Quote: Going
                Only without sharp turns,

                for 4 years now as under sanctions - but there are NO shifts!

                that is, you want Russia to replace the entire volume of GDP in the oil and gas sector over the past 4 years ??? wassat wassat wassat Here Hohlyatsky engines were replaced for several years, and you wanted everything straight away .... and immediately !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
                1. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 8 November 2017 06: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolai Grek
                  Quote: Burbon
                  Quote: Going
                  Only without sharp turns,

                  for 4 years now as under sanctions - but there are NO shifts!

                  that is, you want Russia to replace the entire volume of GDP in the oil and gas sector over the past 4 years ??? wassat wassat wassat Here Hohlyatsky engines were replaced for several years, and you wanted everything straight away .... and immediately !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing

                  Stalin could
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 8 November 2017 14: 19 New
                    +2
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    Quote: Burbon
                    Quote: Going
                    Only without sharp turns,

                    for 4 years now as under sanctions - but there are NO shifts!

                    that is, you want Russia to replace the entire volume of GDP in the oil and gas sector over the past 4 years ??? wassat wassat wassat Here Hohlyatsky engines were replaced for several years, and you wanted everything straight away .... and immediately !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing

                    Stalin could

                    I am sure that many will not like the methods of Stalin today !!!! wink yes yes
          2. nemec55
            nemec55 7 November 2017 21: 16 New
            +2
            and I’m on the side of Brussels .... it’s necessary to remove dependence on oil and gas pipes to zero! .... grandmas should be invested not in pipes but in engineering, space-medicine, electronics .... even it’s easier to trade grain ... .one China and India can feed for the currency at least 200 years

            I agree, since it’s already painful to look at Soviet roads in the village that you don’t want but turn into impassable pits, and after the collapse of the USSR, the great and powerful Russia that rose from its knees with the help of UNITED RUSSIA does not want to repair them, since the only hope is for local hamsters from the site of which one argument of the type SUITS TO DRINK AND LAY ON THE SOFA AND GO TO TAKE YOURSELF
            1. Krabik
              Krabik 7 November 2017 21: 46 New
              0
              Then the video looked about a Canadian who came to our outback.

              He needed a bridge - he built a bridge.

              Here is a real man ...
        3. Slovak
          Slovak 7 November 2017 18: 11 New
          +1
          To turn on the mind, you should wait for frosts and stop deliveries for a month.
      2. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 7 November 2017 18: 39 New
        0
        maybe it’s worth laying a pipeline to the Kaliningrad region. and from there let these "finished" (or obkonchatye?) themselves lay SP2 in Germany? ....
    2. Anarchist
      Anarchist 7 November 2017 13: 37 New
      21
      Leave them for one winter without gas, then how the Silk will become!
      Especially after financial losses that Germany will suffer ...
      1. Going
        Going 7 November 2017 13: 41 New
        12
        The Germans will not allow their patience to the limit.
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 7 November 2017 13: 48 New
          12
          Quote: Going
          The Germans will not allow their patience to the limit.

          And on the old woman Merkel sits a hole in the ocean. request For which she was on duty there, but she licked the Monkey, now she also licks at the trampadur. yes hi
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 7 November 2017 13: 51 New
            10
            Vlad, Greetings!
            So the old Merkel is already starting to bend the business. German business! They tell her to look for a successor ... Inside her party, the same mood is walking!
            1. Going
              Going 7 November 2017 14: 02 New
              +9
              It is not eternal, and even the USA is looking for a replacement, it is painfully frankly she does everything at their direction.
              1. Fkjydjckfrgh
                Fkjydjckfrgh 8 November 2017 14: 52 New
                0
                Quote: Going
                It is not eternal, and even the USA is looking for a replacement, it is painfully frankly she does everything at their direction.

                Well so, my aunt is not a complete fool, it would be something later to say: "These pigs forced me"
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: 79807420129
            Quote: Going
            The Germans will not allow their patience to the limit.

            And on the old woman Merkel sits a hole in the ocean. request For which she was on duty there, but she licked the Monkey, now she also licks at the trampadur. yes hi

            actually the Germans are holding her in power ... you see, it makes no difference to them that they are licking the whole country !!! wassat wassat
      2. Berber
        Berber 7 November 2017 13: 42 New
        +3
        If left without gas, such a howl about undemocratic Russia will rise. They only need a reason. Let them adopt these laws, and they themselves will cancel. We only need to hold the pipe. On the OPAL gas pipeline, the same story was. Pressed need - canceled
    3. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 7 November 2017 13: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: newbie
      This is called: lay the pipe and leave ... do not bother! Well, and bragging !!!

      Unfortunately, as they say, Russia itself allows itself to be addressed in such a tone.
      Alas, this is so ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 7 November 2017 13: 40 New
        0
        Russia is selling - the customer is moody. But it is necessary to sell. So everything is as in the market, only big
        1. serriy
          serriy 7 November 2017 14: 34 New
          +3
          WHY "SELL NECESSARY" !? Locked on gas-oil-metals-forest ...fool
          It is necessary to stop! angry
          To engage in production, NOT TO BE THE WORLD RAW MATERIAL ADDITION! hi
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 7 November 2017 14: 39 New
            10
            these are fantasies. here we have matured already sort of. not at school we study and fell ill with idealism

            The appendages do not build nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power plants around the world, they do not fly the MS-21 and Su-57 into the air and do not have a constellation of navigation satellites in orbit and there is still much to be written about our "appendage".


            1. Azim77
              Azim77 7 November 2017 15: 02 New
              +6
              All right. It would be foolish to have such reserves selling oil and gas later, when the demand for them decreases (which is very likely in the future). Once there is demand now, then you need to sell now. Very many European countries, if they had such stocks, without any complexes, they would have been selling them intensively. Norway example. And the development of industry should go in parallel, i.e. one needs to receive and develop all-purpose benefits.
            2. serriy
              serriy 7 November 2017 15: 12 New
              +3
              Well, yes, we fumble as we can. We also remember the former power. We raise MC 21, but fly on Boeing, and airbus. fool
              А raw materials appendage - an accomplished fact. hi
              By the way, "nuclear power plants around the world" - and waste to themselves. Proud !? fool ((( negative
              We build for our loans! USUALLY!!! For my money, someone! What are we proud of !? fool fool fool
              Well, is the automation at those "nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power plants around the world" ours? ))) negative
              BETTER - YOURSELF BUILD YOUR OWN COUNTRY. TIME TO CHANGE AND CHANGE, INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT! ENOUGH LIBERALISM!
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 7 November 2017 16: 09 New
                +6
                By the way, "nuclear power plants around the world" - and waste to themselves. Proud !?


                Russia has a closed recycling cycle. We will send them the waste processed for cash back

                We build for our loans! USUALLY!!! For my money, someone! What are we proud of !?


                you have simplified it all too much.

                BETTER - YOURSELF BUILD YOUR OWN COUNTRY. TIME TO CHANGE AND CHANGE


                Compare the ECB photos for 98 and 2017. And so, in any city, a millionaire. For fun.

                Look at Moscow, Krasnodar, Volgograd, Vladivostok, Sochi and so on.

                Compare the infrastructure before and after the World Cup - then, for the sake of prikola

                Well, all major cities with embankments are already being transformed too
                1. serriy
                  serriy 7 November 2017 16: 32 New
                  +2
                  Russia has a closed recycling cycle. We will send them the waste processed for cash back
                  To whom to return, for what cash !? We keep this shit!
                  We build everything "around the world" precisely for our money. What is simplified !?
                  What to watch in the cities? Showcase picture !? All is well, beautiful marquise!
                  I repeat: country as a raw materials appendage - an accomplished fact
                  Patriot? So do I. But not a liberal. But not in pink glasses.
                  1. St Petrov
                    St Petrov 7 November 2017 17: 08 New
                    +2
                    To whom to return, for what cash !? We keep this shit!


                    broaden your horizons. While you stand still, the country is moving forward and has already begun to process nuclear waste


                    What to watch in the cities? Showcase picture !? All is well, beautiful marquise!


                    I wish your city not to renew the "window" and live with what is left from '98.

                    I repeat: the country as a raw materials appendage is an accomplished fact


                    On echo Matzah and not such facts will be voiced
                    1. serriy
                      serriy 7 November 2017 17: 42 New
                      +2
                      You are a demagogue, my friend. This is the first. Empty demagogue. You in fact have nothing to answer, you are talking nonsense. This is the second.
                      To wish Moscow “to live with what has remained since '98” is vile. True, I don’t know exactly why you have it - since '98. I guess. ))) bully
                      1. St Petrov
                        St Petrov 7 November 2017 17: 44 New
                        +2
                        You are a demagogue, my friend. This is the first. Empty demagogue. You in fact have nothing to answer, you are talking nonsense. This is the second.


                        if there are moments - about which you have not even heard of - this does not mean that I am a demagogue.

                        So that you wash, I give you DIRECTION in the search for analysis. So that you don’t look like you look now.

                        During operation in the fast neutron reactor, secondary elements are formed due to the fission reaction, which, when absorbed by the uranium mass, form the newly created plutonium-239 nuclear material, capable of continuing the process of further fission. The main advantage of this reaction is the production of plutonium neutrons, which is used as fuel for nuclear reactors in nuclear power plants. Its presence reduces the production of uranium, whose reserves are limited. From a kilogram of uranium-235, a little more than a kilogram of plutonium-239 can be obtained, thereby ensuring the reproduction of fuel.

                        As a result, energy production in nuclear power units at the lowest costs of scarce uranium and the absence of restrictions on production will increase hundreds of times. It is estimated that in this case, mankind will last for several tens of centuries. The best option in nuclear energy for maintaining a balance on the minimum uranium consumption would be a 4 to 1 ratio, where one using fast neutrons would be used for four thermal reactors.


                        To wish Moscow “to live with what has remained since '98” is vile. True, I don’t know exactly why you have it - since '98. I guess. )))


                        not to understand where the changes, living in Moscow - this is the height of zashorennost.
                        I expected that you would bring me a counterargument from some village of Teriberka - they say little has changed - and you are also from Moscow. Pah

                        Only an actor from the circus will say that Moscow is 98 years old = Moscow in 2017. I take 98 years - as a pic of the whole g * vna that our Motherland survived after the events of 90s
                2. Barbudo
                  Barbudo 7 November 2017 19: 08 New
                  +1
                  And not large ones are transformed with a minus sign .....
          2. Andrey Panov
            Andrey Panov 7 November 2017 19: 56 New
            +1
            WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PRODUCE? What product line up?
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 7 November 2017 15: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: c-Petrov
          Russia is selling - the customer is moody. But it is necessary to sell.

          The buyer is not moody, but simply arrogant. All by the fact that this buyer has not been “starving” for a long time, and now he is mad with fat.
      2. newcomer
        newcomer 7 November 2017 13: 42 New
        +3
        Yes, this is not the case. Is this already an attempt to settle SP2? and this will not lead to anything. an alternative is_ winter geyropoarmageddon ala frost.
    4. Finches
      Finches 7 November 2017 13: 40 New
      +6
      Turn off gas to Europe - yes, we’ll lose money, but if all top managers of Gazprom including Miller (he is interested in Israeli citizenship) cut their salaries, then the people of Russia will not notice this ... laughing
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 7 November 2017 13: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        if the entire top manager of Gazprom, including Miller (interestingly, he has Israeli citizenship) cut his salary, then the people of Russia will not notice this ...

        The people will not notice. Notice those to whom the "top managers" put a "small fraction". And they, the people, will not forgive this.
    5. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 7 November 2017 14: 03 New
      +3
      everything is much funnier !!!!! this is called "do not stop the hegemon from making money on suckers" !!!!!! the edge of cynicism ...

      and a link to go ... separately ....
      https://vz.ru/news/2017/11/6/894038.html
  2. Shurik70
    Shurik70 7 November 2017 13: 36 New
    +7
    Well, WADA did it. They found out which drugs (harmless, non-doping, useful) are used by Russian athletes and before the Olympics announced meldonium doping.
    The same principle. To find out which pipes are used by Russia and strictly declare them to be prohibited.
    It is clear that in the end the pipeline will be carried out (in Ukraine, if the horses do not steal it, they will blow it up), and Europe does not want to freeze. But they want to pat their nerves. Ugh on them. Maybe they should buy from America in three ways and persuade us to resume the project?
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 7 November 2017 14: 05 New
      +2
      Maybe let America buy in three

      I have to repeat myself ....
  3. Zhelezyakin
    Zhelezyakin 7 November 2017 13: 38 New
    +8
    Well, they will be third parties, in the person of Amer tankers. There was news today about the supply of LNG by Ameri and the origin of that gas ... They are dropping a hole for themselves.
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 7 November 2017 14: 06 New
      +1
      Good afternoon! !!! You are talking about deliveries from Ust-Luga ????
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 November 2017 13: 40 New
    0
    Well, stock up on popcorn. If Germany is ZAEST, she will turn this Brussels into a ram’s horn. After the removal of Britain, Brussels has nothing to "play", Germany will not allow anyone to get into her ... WALLET.
  5. exo
    exo 7 November 2017 13: 40 New
    +1
    It makes sense to simply stop selling gas to Europe, through Ukraine. Yes, a lot of money, we will lose. But, from this humiliation, we will leave.
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 7 November 2017 13: 47 New
      +5
      I’ve been saying for a long time that we must completely stop selling gas to Europe. Our country is practically non-gasified, and we are sorry, ah, Brussels, ah, Brussels. Well, well, we want currencies, and inside the country they will only pay in rubles, this is not included in the plans of the Russian elite.
      1. ando_bor
        ando_bor 7 November 2017 15: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: faridg7
        we must stop selling gas to Europe altogether. Our country is practically non-gasified

        This is what America is seeking, even their LNG, which will be 2–3 times more expensive than Russian gas to Europe because the end consumer still pays more than LNG costs, will slightly reduce the appetite of distributors and there will be practically no increase in prices, but Russia will be out of the market thrown out.
        Gasification in Russia is 66%, and where the population density is close to European, or at least 2-3 times lower, close to 100%, there is no gas where the density is 10-100 times lower than European, a gas pipe to the house is 100 times more expensive than Europe is worth it, at such a price of gasification, it doesn’t matter how much gas itself will cost and in what currency.
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 7 November 2017 15: 31 New
          +4
          Is the population density in Vladivostok and its suburbs so far from European? Ussuriysk, Nakhodka, Arsenyev, Dalnerechensk, Khabarovsk, is that small villages? or do not our citizens live in them, to whom the guarantor says that the bowels belong to them as well? Why with all this, I pay almost a kilowatt 6 rublesand in nearby Suifenh a Chinese locksmith pays 25 cents per kilowatt produced at the Bureyskaya hydroelectric station
          1. S-kerrigan
            S-kerrigan 8 November 2017 09: 46 New
            +1
            Damn, you seem to be, at first glance, an adult, but the logic here is at the kindergarten level.
            Well, more than 25% of the population of the Russian Federation in the Far East do not live (if I suddenly have very outdated data, I ask in response with a proof). And the distances are, "Mama Do not Cry." "My" Tomsk region "as the whole of France." And this is not the largest part of our country. Distances! Gas pipelines need compression through N-kilometers. In short, the supply lines themselves are too expensive. Yes, it all pulls. But far from a priority - there are important cares. During my life in the Russian Federation, the Tomsk region was for the most part still gasified. And this despite the fact that right there they produce both oil and gas.

            As for China and electricity, there is a lot to be explained and told. But here’s the paradox - an adult and so all this in theory is obliged to understand / know himself, if he does not live "in his own world."

            Damn, I didn’t want to write like that, but I was already bombarded by "hysterical squirrels."
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 8 November 2017 13: 27 New
              +3
              The logic may be at the level of the kindergarten (I do not pretend to be a Nobel Prize), BUT, let it be known that gas flows to the south of Primorsky Krai through a gas pipeline, and it has already been delivered to the Russian Island for three years now. The Vladivostok TPP1 and the university boiler room in Russian were gasified. EVERYTHING, the gasification of the Primorsky Territory ended there. This is by the way about the necessary compression stations - they already exist,
              Second, I am just indignant that the gasification of the Far East is not a priority (according to your own words), and against the background of the fact that we are trumpeting the whole country about the need to make the Far East attractive for life. And if you understand this context, the gasification of the region is just a small fad of what is needed.
              Well, in the end, in my right mind I do not understand (although you think you must understand) on what basis the electricity generated in Russia is sold to China many times cheaper than it goes to the internal networks of Russia.
              1. S-kerrigan
                S-kerrigan 13 November 2017 07: 41 New
                0
                Well, in the end, in my right mind I do not understand (although you think you must understand) on what basis the electricity generated in Russia is sold to China many times cheaper than it goes to the internal networks of Russia.

                I could try to talk on this topic in detail. But alas, I unfortunately work without holidays. Morally a little "under pressure". And to explain in detail "why so" I stupidly have no strength, sorry.

                this is just a small fad

                I do not agree a bit - this is still an important point. As well as trunk communication lines (BBA). With this in the Far East, it is still not so hot. And yes, I don’t like the situation with China, that the situation is with our far east. I fully agree that "necessary" and "important". However, there are two main factors:
                - more important tasks (which entrust one people, thereby taking away their "resource" ... you will agree with me that the tasks are solved by personnel, and with this "resource" we are not all happy)
                - less important tasks that are already consciously or unconsciously footballing / distorting on the ground (by other frames).
                In fact, we have what we have.

                PS In physics, one of the difficult tasks is to model the interaction of a group of particles. And when there are a lot of them, then the task becomes difficult (or not at all) solvable. The situation in the field of interaction, coordination and management in the country recalls this - very complex mutual influences.
                1. faridg7
                  faridg7 13 November 2017 10: 21 New
                  +1
                  That's why I am against liberals and democrats and for executing officials (start shooting officials and the task with the behavior of many particles will be simplified from insoluble into the multiplication table).
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: ando_bor
          to slightly reduce the appetites of distributors and there will be practically no increase in prices

          this is especially evident in the example of LNG for psheks ... something really, and the Americans could show them cheaply for them ... but they didn’t! wassat wassat wassat and you are talking about huge volumes for the EU !!! laughing laughing laughing tongue tongue tongue
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 November 2017 16: 11 New
        +4
        Officials do not need rubles, give them dollars.
  6. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 7 November 2017 13: 40 New
    +3
    There is also a reverent attitude of the European bureaucrats to the existing freebie (money, positions, nomenclature) manifests itself as a desire to regulate everything and everything. It’s they who are still trying to gasp our Gosplan. And for themselves - only oval potatoes with two eyes, conical carrots at 12 degrees, etc., etc. Yes, we did not even dream of such a madhouse! No wonder the islanders fled from there, as the most sensitive.
    But the main thing, of course, is the desire to spoil Russia.
  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya 7 November 2017 13: 42 New
    +8
    and also reduce the support of Kiev from the EU.

    They decided to feed Krajina, so feed ... and now it turns out, you also have to support panties ...
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 7 November 2017 13: 48 New
      +6
      so geyroptsy want Ukland to dance, and feed her at our expense. I don’t even find words to put it.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: newbie
        so geyroptsy want Ukland to dance, and feed her at our expense. I don’t even find words to put it.

        yes there Euros ... here ours offer to save hohland! negative negative negative wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
  8. antivirus
    antivirus 7 November 2017 13: 45 New
    +1
    written for other reasons - but to the point.
    you can’t put two pipes in one place ... everything flows (the brains of partners), everything changes (China's requests) - DAM already asked a question on the Zap route, through Altai to China.
    all on the notes. without improvisation-- we will be driven out of Europe.
    A FREEBEL ENDS (2-3 YEARS MORE)
    THE WEAKNESS OF DIPLOMACY (NOT ONE MID) in the 7-10th century is heard. Delivery (km) from the USA = delivery from Western Siberia + Western bankers want to loop money at home) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - this is the main thing.
    Lost Gref and Kostin (in friendship with the Germans and Swiss against the Amer), and the GDP and DAM will not pay us pensions and roads will not be built
    apparently a second oil pipeline is also needed in China - time ????

    antivirus 3 Today, 11:10 | In Riyadh, they believe that Lebanon declared war on them
    THIS IS NOT BAD.
    BAD LIFE WILL TURN WHEN THE camels WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO FEED.
    I’ve been asking friends from Israel for a year, what will you do ... when ..?
    BBV is changing and demography + finances + external forces (ASIA GOING).
    everything flows, everything changes ... and sand too.
    you can’t climb the same dune twice
  9. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 7 November 2017 13: 51 New
    +1
    And what prevents, on an equal footing, from extending Russian legislation to neutral waters, in which there is no third package or thirty-third? laughing
  10. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 7 November 2017 13: 51 New
    +7
    All supply pipelines, according to the new amendments to the gas directive, will have to comply with EU rules. They should not be directly owned by gas suppliers; Provide the same prices and transparent operations. Suppliers must also provide 10% of bandwidth to third parties.

    Gorgeous. It is strange why these rules did not apply, for example, to branded car dealerships?
    Car dealerships should not be directly owned by car suppliers; Provide the same prices and transparent operations. Also, owners of branded car dealerships must provide 10% of the interior to third parties.
    And what kind of space opens up if you use the same principles for airlines ... for example, force Qatar Airlines to provide 10% of the seats for Ryanair passengers. smile
  11. Eurodav
    Eurodav 7 November 2017 13: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    Turn off gas to Europe - yes, we’ll lose money, but if all top managers of Gazprom including Miller (he is interested in Israeli citizenship) cut their salaries, then the people of Russia will not notice this ... laughing

    You are interested? So why did it get up? At the very bottom about him, but about citizenship ... At any time, as soon as he decides to get off ...

    Zhirinovsky on the Jews - Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qDJXHyu_o
    Of course, Zhirinovsky admits some fiction in his discourse.
    But for a person who knows the history of Jews in the New Age, and who knows how they seized power in America and European countries - there is nothing improbable in this story by Zhirinovsky. Just the details and figures may be wrong, but the trend is indicated - apparently correctly
    Process goes
    And what is the Jews doing with our country?
    They take away and steal from under our noses our Motherland, sprinkled with the blood of our ancestors. Whatever question you begin to explore, what destructive action against Russia or begin to study, you will come across a Jew standing behind this. Commissions, committees, advisory groups, bankers, chairmen of boards of directors , deputy ministers - everywhere Jews Lawyers, directors of television and radio stations, chief editors of newspapers - Jews
    But the main thing is not in the fact that they are Jews - but in what these Jews do
    Jews purposefully and methodically take away our country from the Russians Starting from the "perestroika" and beyond - when the Jews Chubais, Gaidar, Nemtsov and others were at the helm - a policy was pursued of transferring public property into Jewish hands
    Jewish oligarchs Alexander Smolensky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Boris Berezovsky and Vladimir Gusinsky celebrate their triumph

    And it continues to this day
    This process accelerated again, it acquired an avalanche-like character - with the advent of Medvedev Even if we leave aside the question - what percentage of Jewish blood is in Medvedev himself, his wife is reliably Jewish. Medvedev’s pro-Jewish and pro-Israeli sympathies cannot be denied. He says a lot about creating the best conditions for Jews in Russia - but I don’t know a single speech where Medvedev would use the expression “Russian people”
    The introduction of a visa-free regime with Israel - despite the fact that Israel acted on the side of Georgia in a military conflict with Russia At meetings with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu Medvedev to show that he uses his might and main words in Hebrew Medvedev's most recent appointment is the mayor Moscow Sobyanin - wife of a Jew, Jew Mikhail Fedotov in October 2010 was appointed adviser to the president on promoting the development of civil society institutions and human rights
    In the field of economic policy, Medvedev relies on Jew Dvorkovich, an assistant to the president, and on Yevgeny Shlemovich Gontmakher, a member of the board of the Institute for Contemporary Development
    Details of the Medvedev clan are placed at the end ...

    Many Jews already feel like kings in Russia
    A Jew Alexei Borisovich Miller, head of Gazprom, constructs a palace on the banks of the Istra Reservoir according to the plans of Peter the Great - on the model of the Tsar’s residence of Petrodvrts (in the summer the news went around the media) ...... (taken from here - http: // ros-sea -ru.livejournal.com/530982.html)
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Evrodav
      Of course, Zhirinovsky admits

      after the tricks of Zhirik around Turkey, he finally does not deserve attention !!! negative negative negative did not expect him to fall so low laughing laughing laughing
  12. demo
    demo 7 November 2017 13: 55 New
    +4
    The European Parliament believes that doubling the volume of gas supplied to Germany under the Baltic Sea, bypassing Ukraine, may hinder Brussels' plans to reduce dependence on Russian supplies, as well as reduce EU support for Kiev.

    And if gas continued to flow through Ukraine, then dependence would be less
    Or the transit of Russian gas through an unfriendly country, with the facts of unauthorized selection (theft) adds stability to the EU?
    Sergey Viktorovich! Aw! Where are you with your winged expression ?!
  13. rudolff
    rudolff 7 November 2017 13: 58 New
    +3
    In early June 2015, Miller stated that: “After the end of the transit contract with Ukraine, there will be no extension or conclusion of a new transit contract under any circumstances. Due to economic, commercial, technological, investment and political risks for gas transit, there are more Ukrainian transit will not, even if the sun swaps with the moon. " And already at the end of June, Putin instructed to hold negotiations with Ukraine on the extension of the transit of Russian gas through this country after 2019, which Miller also announced. Since then, the transit issue has been covered in darkness, whether it will or will not. There is no certainty. Hence Brussels’s attempts to unscrew its hands. If at one time they spoke more specifically, maybe the South Stream could have taken place through Bulgaria.
  14. Piramidon
    Piramidon 7 November 2017 14: 04 New
    +2
    ... suppliers must provide 10% of the bandwidth to third parties

    Since 2011, the OPAL gas pipeline (the onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline across Germany) has held 50% of the throughput for such “third parties”. Why not a single face was found. And only now the EU has graciously allowed to fill this reserve with Russian gas. Well, "DB"!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 November 2017 17: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Piramidon
      Since 2011, the OPAL gas pipeline (the onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline across Germany) has held 50% of the throughput for such “third parties”. Why not a single face was found.

      Were. Only each time it was the third person of Gazprom. smile
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Piramidon
        Since 2011, the OPAL gas pipeline (the onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline across Germany) has held 50% of the throughput for such “third parties”. Why not a single face was found.

        Were. Only each time it was the third person of Gazprom. smile

        Kremlin’s hand, Gazprom’s face !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Piramidon
      ... suppliers must provide 10% of the bandwidth to third parties

      Since 2011, the OPAL gas pipeline (the onshore continuation of the Nord Stream gas pipeline across Germany) has held 50% of the throughput for such “third parties”. Why not a single face was found. And only now the EU has graciously allowed to fill this reserve with Russian gas. Well, "DB"!

      it is necessary to study in detail the scheme of opal ... there is a high probability that there is no one physically attached to the pipe !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 7 November 2017 14: 16 New
    +2
    Well then, let them pull the pipe from the Turks or the Chinese.
    I think that these two pipelines, to China and Turkey, will definitely work for 2019.
    And, you can still carry our gas to Europe with American gas carriers.
    It’ll also be nice by the way ... to us.
    1. Fkjydjckfrgh
      Fkjydjckfrgh 9 November 2017 10: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      Well then, let them pull the pipe from the Turks or the Chinese.
      I think that these two pipelines, to China and Turkey, will definitely work for 2019.
      And, you can still carry our gas to Europe with American gas carriers.
      It’ll also be nice by the way ... to us.

      Only at the stage of the contract to share their (American) profit, so that life does not seem raspberry smile
  16. Bronevick
    Bronevick 7 November 2017 14: 24 New
    +2
    So Brussels does not pour gas.
  17. evil partisan
    evil partisan 7 November 2017 14: 24 New
    +2
    Though carcass, even a scarecrow, but to spoil Russia - that’s the whole philosophy of the EU.
  18. Icarus
    Icarus 7 November 2017 14: 28 New
    +1
    Somehow it doesn’t matter whether there will be a SP-2 or not. Natural gas is not paid to Russian citizens from the sold gas sold abroad. Gazprom is a commercial organization (even though 50% of the shares are managed by the Russian government), with slow and inefficient management. It is even better that SP-2 does not work, you see, more will be spent on gasification of villages in Russia.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 7 November 2017 18: 05 New
      +2
      Somehow it doesn’t matter whether there will be SP-2 or not. Natural gas is not paid to Russian citizens from the sold gas sold abroad. Gazprom is a commercial organization (even though 50% of the shares are managed by the Russian government), with slow and inefficient management.


      such a normal porridge in your head.

      Nothing clicks from such theories in the head?

      It is even better that SP-2 does not work, you see, more will be spent on gasification of villages in Russia.


      I think it’s necessary to somehow calculate everything and protect your family (and all your relatives by wife) from paying pensions and other social benefits that are available in our country due to the sale of natural wealth. You look and the village which will be connected to the gas sooner or later
      1. Icarus
        Icarus 9 November 2017 07: 26 New
        0
        such a normal porridge in your head

        You do not confuse my porridge with yours. smile
        I think it’s necessary to somehow calculate everything and protect your family (and all your relatives by wife) from paying pensions and other social benefits that are available in our country due to the sale of natural wealth. You look and the village which will be connected to the gas sooner or later
        .
        I will not mind, but first, the payment of rent to my family, including ALL members of the family, and we will figure out who will receive the pension, and to whom what. And the villages will be connected to the gas, after the dismissal of all officials (including the FIU) who have nothing to distribute and "cut."
        1. Icarus
          Icarus 9 November 2017 09: 26 New
          0
          That's just the relatives earned their pension with their labor and the rent is supposed to be on top of them.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Icarus
      Somehow it doesn’t matter whether there will be a SP-2 or not. Natural gas is not paid to Russian citizens from the sold gas sold abroad. Gazprom is a commercial organization (even though 50% of the shares are managed by the Russian government), with slow and inefficient management. It is even better that SP-2 does not work, you see, more will be spent on gasification of villages in Russia.

      give your alignment on the lope rent, to whom and when should it fall according to your scheme ??? wassat wassat lol lol lol Well, immediately parallel to the alignment, in which seek funds in the budget to replace funds from natural rent !!! laughing laughing laughing
      1. Icarus
        Icarus 9 November 2017 09: 34 New
        0
        Only after you. First you have your budget. And it is very desirable to indicate how much in rubles the revenues from natural rent in the budget, for example, 2017 laughing Just do not confuse the rent with excise taxes.
  19. serriy
    serriy 7 November 2017 14: 28 New
    +1
    Gazprom will lay pipes and sell gas under any conditions. fool
    Screaming at the public and selling. fool
    Policy. Not a business. But some people have enough. hi
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 7 November 2017 18: 05 New
      +2
      Policy. Not a business. But some people have enough.


      50 with something to millions of pensioners in the Russian Federation? Or are they paid pensions from the sale of machine tools? Can we sell microelectronics for such amounts? Or wheat sent abroad to pay pensions for a year?

      Or maybe we have so much business (and most importantly, it works without gray schemes) that there are enough taxes for social movements? wassat

      Maybe you pay trillions of taxes, but we’re just unknowingly everything. Everyone thought that by selling oil we keep the social program
      1. serriy
        serriy 7 November 2017 18: 23 New
        0
        "... Ostap carried ..."
        Here you will not receive answers to your questions, but you do not perceive them. To you to the specialist. They won’t help here.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 7 November 2017 18: 30 New
          +2
          Gazprom will lay pipes and sell gas under any conditions. fool
          Screaming at the public and selling.


          "... Ostap carried ..." - as for me. Can you refute my words?

          How does the Russian Federation earn money to pay a pension of 50 million? Maybe I really don’t understand something, or is it like in the topic with a fast neutron reactor? You never answered. And I tried to convey to you a vector in which to look for information
          1. serriy
            serriy 8 November 2017 09: 46 New
            0
            You never answered. And I tried to convey to you a vector in which to look for information

            As they say, no comment smile lol laughing

            You are in the image of a permanently right liberal patriot.
            Now you are proving that a country cannot live without the sale of gas-oil. I do not refute.
            And before that, they sprayed with saliva, they proved that we have an industrialized country.
            And why argue with that?
            You are not feeling better here. Once again: to your specialist.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 8 November 2017 13: 51 New
              0
              Now you are proving that a country cannot live without the sale of gas-oil. I do not refute.


              you misunderstood everything

              A country can live - it cannot pay pensions. Because senior citizens, beneficiaries and state employees are one third of the population or more. And the added value of the product creates only 15 million for the whole country.

              Therefore, before screaming, you need to understand why.
            2. St Petrov
              St Petrov 8 November 2017 14: 26 New
              0
              As the saying goes, no comment smile lol laughing
              You in the image permanently right liberal patriot.


              maybe everything is easier and you just broadcast here from your circus? And I'm trying to convey something to the actor, I give information chewed. quotes. But there are those who don’t invest what - all the empty space. I saw these.

              Maybe you need a video? Well, to be better absorbed? The test is probably hard to understand. And here are the pictures, the video. For the most gifted

              Listen to the deputy chief engineer of the Beloyarsk NPP. Well, so as not to draw emoticons after a ridiculous joke



              And before that, they sprayed with saliva, they proved that we have an industrialized country.


              only a clown can think otherwise.

  20. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 7 November 2017 14: 47 New
    +1
    In the winter from 2019 to 2020, they will dramatically change their minds. And the necessary laws will be introduced, and permissions.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 7 November 2017 15: 21 New
      0
      Quote: zulusuluz
      In the winter from 2019 to 2020, they will dramatically change their minds. And the necessary laws will be introduced, and permissions.

      Until the ukrotrub finally decays and its systematic breaks begin, they will not change their mind. Even after 2019, Gazprom does not intend to completely block transit through Ukraine. Only cut back. And, what the hell is not joking, maybe the EU will buy a pipe from jerboas and invest in its modernization.
  21. Severok
    Severok 7 November 2017 15: 55 New
    +4
    Four-fifths of Russia sits on wood and coal with fuel oil, but b-th, the "northern stream" and "the power of Siberia." To fill a propane cylinder 40 kg the item leaves, and they, this Moscow thief, send gas to the enemies of Russia joyfully screaming!

    Enemy of the people of Gazprom.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 7 November 2017 17: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Severok
      Four-fifths of Russia sits on wood and coal with fuel oil, but b-th, the "northern stream" and "the power of Siberia." To fill a propane cylinder 40 kg the item leaves, and they, this Moscow thief, send gas to the enemies of Russia joyfully screaming!

      Enemy of the people of Gazprom.


      Honestly, it is.
      Connecting to gas costs hundreds of thousands of rubles. some are millions.
      All the offices of Gazprom, all of these Inter-Region Gases, Regional Gases are like palaces filled with the masters of life. Where the most unskilled secretary goes to a lunch-business lunch in a Japanese restaurant and nothing else.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 7 November 2017 21: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Severok
      Four-fifths of Russia sits on wood and coal with fuel oil,

      what what what where have you been taught to manipulate so stupidly ??? wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 November 2017 14: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Severok
      Four-fifths of Russia sits on wood and coal with fuel oil,

      Well, why so brazenly lie? After all, anyone who owns a search on the Internet can see that the level of gasification with natural gas in Russia in 2017 reached 67,2%. The remaining 33% is not 4/5.
      Even inveterate liberals moan that ONE THIRD of Russia sits without gas, citing the level of gasification of European countries as an example, but they do not compare the area of ​​these countries with the area of ​​Russia.
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 8 November 2017 20: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Severok
        Four-fifths of Russia sits on wood and coal with fuel oil,

        Well, why so brazenly lie? After all, anyone who owns a search on the Internet can see that the level of gasification with natural gas in Russia in 2017 reached 67,2%. The remaining 33% is not 4/5.
        Even inveterate liberals moan that ONE THIRD of Russia sits without gas, citing the level of gasification of European countries as an example, but they do not compare the area of ​​these countries with the area of ​​Russia.


        Now look at the share of urban and rural population ...
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 8 November 2017 21: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: ZVO
          Now look at the share of urban and rural population ...

          If you live in a village of three houses, then you need to pull a pipe to you? I lived in a village with 50 thousand inhabitants, all my life with the USSR I used bottled gas, and 7 years ago all our houses were gasified. So vparivayte their liberal theses to other suckers, Maybe they will believe and sing you
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 14: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: ZVO
          Now look at the share of urban and rural population ...

          and the proportion of the rural population is somehow taken into account in a privileged manner ??? wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing Well, there will be a thousand villages not gasified with a population of a million ... so what, yelling that half of Russia are sitting without gas ??? laughing laughing laughing
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 9 November 2017 20: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            Quote: ZVO
            Now look at the share of urban and rural population ...

            and the proportion of the rural population is somehow taken into account in a privileged manner ??? wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing Well, there will be a thousand villages not gasified with a population of a million ... so what, yelling that half of Russia are sitting without gas ??? laughing laughing laughing


            And the fact that there is no gas is no amenities for life.
            There are no amenities for living in the countryside - there is a migration to the cities.
            There is a migration to the cities - agriculture is dying.
            Agriculture is dying - food is being purchased abroad.
            The food security of the country is being violated.
            And the money, as it were, of Gazprom, received for the export of gas - remain in the same west - goes to purchase products.
            As a result, in the west with money. and we are without gas and shit.
            And in the case of sanctions - we will have no one to even "import substitute" ...
            For labor resources for agriculture will be gone.
            Everyone will be in the cities - and 1 out of 1000 is already returning from the cities.

            But you don’t have enough brains to understand even such simple logic.
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 20: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: ZVO
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              Quote: ZVO
              Now look at the share of urban and rural population ...

              and the proportion of the rural population is somehow taken into account in a privileged manner ??? wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing Well, there will be a thousand villages not gasified with a population of a million ... so what, yelling that half of Russia are sitting without gas ??? laughing laughing laughing


              And the fact that there is no gas is no amenities for life.
              There are no amenities for living in the countryside - there is a migration to the cities.
              There is a migration to the cities - agriculture is dying.
              Agriculture is dying - food is being purchased abroad.
              The food security of the country is being violated.
              And the money, as it were, of Gazprom, received for the export of gas - remain in the same west - goes to purchase products.
              As a result, in the west with money. and we are without gas and shit.
              And in the case of sanctions - we will have no one to even "import substitute" ...
              For labor resources for agriculture will be gone.
              Everyone will be in the cities - and 1 out of 1000 is already returning from the cities.

              But you don’t have enough brains to understand even such simple logic.

              this is your brain problem ... lied about one thing ... then I started to carry other nonsense so that I could chat my lies !!!! laughing laughing laughing
              1. ZVO
                ZVO 9 November 2017 21: 40 New
                0
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                Quote: ZVO
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                Quote: ZVO
                Now look at the share of urban and rural population ...

                and the proportion of the rural population is somehow taken into account in a privileged manner ??? wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing Well, there will be a thousand villages not gasified with a population of a million ... so what, yelling that half of Russia are sitting without gas ??? laughing laughing laughing


                And the fact that there is no gas is no amenities for life.
                There are no amenities for living in the countryside - there is a migration to the cities.
                There is a migration to the cities - agriculture is dying.
                Agriculture is dying - food is being purchased abroad.
                The food security of the country is being violated.
                And the money, as it were, of Gazprom, received for the export of gas - remain in the same west - goes to purchase products.
                As a result, in the west with money. and we are without gas and shit.
                And in the case of sanctions - we will have no one to even "import substitute" ...
                For labor resources for agriculture will be gone.
                Everyone will be in the cities - and 1 out of 1000 is already returning from the cities.

                But you don’t have enough brains to understand even such simple logic.

                this is your brain problem ... lied about one thing ... then I started to carry other nonsense so that I could chat my lies !!!! laughing laughing laughing


                Those. normal human logic laid out on shelves - is incomprehensible to you ... Well, it is clear - you write that one fuss. Thousands of you have specially picked them up ...
                You don’t need a head and brains - all the same you write only that. that they palm off on you in manuals
                Bring healthy patriotism - with your dulling to insanity. Then the word patriot, because of people like you, becomes abusive. And you are selling to the State Department loot write ...
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 21: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ZVO
                  Those. normal human logic

                  what what what what is the logic ??? when the question about the Crimea appears, you immediately set off !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing and tie up for the loot of the State Department to write here your nonsense !!! wink yes lol lol lol
                  1. ZVO
                    ZVO 9 November 2017 21: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    Quote: ZVO
                    Those. normal human logic

                    what what what what is the logic ??? when the question about the Crimea appears, you immediately set off !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing and tie up for the loot of the State Department to write here your nonsense !!! wink yes lol lol lol


                    I do not see a question about the Crimea! Who did you ask him to?
                    Did you forget to log in?

                    You're a greasy troll, but dumb and funny ... HBT ...
                    1. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 9 November 2017 22: 05 New
                      +1
                      Quote: ZVO
                      I do not see a question about the Crimea! Who did you ask him to?
                      Did you forget to log in?

                      No, I just confused you with another troll !!! the one in the Crimea built up !!! laughing laughing laughing and you spent about counting the population "with gas" and began to give out spatial speeches !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing
  22. HMR333
    HMR333 7 November 2017 16: 17 New
    0
    Well, in fact, they don’t give a damn what they stir up there, they will finish off the Ukrainian stream and send it through Turkey, and then whoever wants to buy it and knowing the need to buy it, all these legal projects are fiction!
  23. Zhelezyakin
    Zhelezyakin 7 November 2017 16: 31 New
    +5
    Quote: Burbon
    this is not progress - but stagnation

    Given the external pressure (the notorious sanctions), stay on the same positions !? Well, I do not agree that this is stagnation. Rather, it is an indicator of not bad economic co-adaptability, or low efficiency of the very impact. I want to believe that the first factor has more weight.
    Quote: Burbon
    always have to move in front

    I fully agree! So and we move, isn't it?
    Quote: Burbon
    you will be connected to gas for 250-450 000 rubles .... trade through the pipe - the path to nowhere ....

    I did not understand this at all. It is necessary not to trade in a pipe but to trade in something else?
  24. serriy
    serriy 7 November 2017 17: 51 New
    0
    St Petrov,
    Yes ... Oh ... you cannot be stopped.
    Do not answer. This is not for you to me. This is for you for a specialist.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 7 November 2017 18: 31 New
      +1
      My wife in such cases says: "Oh, that's it."

      Well, she is a woman. She can be. We have a different brain structure.
      1. serriy
        serriy 8 November 2017 09: 26 New
        0
        Complete eccentric, who is interested in your invented wife here? fool You carry nonsense. fool The delirium of the patient. fool
        Complain to a specialist about your brain problems. what Comments cannot cure you. All. hi
  25. Nemesis
    Nemesis 7 November 2017 17: 57 New
    +2
    Russia should not follow the lead of Ukraine and the EU ... I don’t like it, let them buy in the USA, see how their businessmen sing from this news ... The US gas terminal in the Baltic states has already proved its financial inefficiency.
  26. Sergey53
    Sergey53 7 November 2017 18: 39 New
    +1
    Everyone wants to earn money on a freebie by someone else’s by investing not a penny. Why don’t you build gentlemen yourself?
  27. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 7 November 2017 19: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Separ DNR
    Unfortunately, as they say, Russia itself allows itself to be addressed in such a tone. Alas, this is so ...

    Do you propose to launch a couple of rockets there to speed up the process?
  28. kaserog
    kaserog 7 November 2017 19: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Severok
    Fill a propane cylinder 40 kg piece leaves,

    Finally, 800 r goes to the gas station refueling and connect the gas, read government decree 1314
  29. Troll
    Troll 8 November 2017 18: 58 New
    0
    On the one hand: To hammer onto a pipe, not to build it and not supply anything, they say when they need gas, they will crawl themselves. And on the other: Americans need this, they will immediately enter the freed market.
    It's hard for a campaign to be a manager and solve issues worth millions
  30. viach
    viach 9 November 2017 10: 25 New
    0
    Why on earth did they (Brussels) intend to dispose of other people's property? The Americans cannot cope with the dictatorship, they decided that they have the right to dictate to Russia. In vain!