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What will the Syrian Kurds stand for: autonomy in the SAR or a Turkish colony?

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After the final defeat of ISIL (* prohibited in the Russian Federation), the Syrian government is expected to convene a conciliation congress in the region of Abu Kemal. According to the Syrian journalist Riyadh Farid Hijab, the main purpose of convening the congress is the beginning of a comprehensive political dialogue between the various parties to the conflict in Syria, excluding terrorist groups recognized as such at the international level.


One of the parties invited to participate in the congress is the Kurdish side. According to Riyadh Farid Hijab, it is likely to be about creating full-fledged Kurdish autonomy in northern Syria.

What will the Syrian Kurds stand for: autonomy in the SAR or a Turkish colony?


However, the difficulty is that the creation of Kurdish autonomy on its borders will clearly oppose Turkey. It is to ensure that the Kurds could not consolidate in the north of Syria in the form of broad autonomy, the Turkish army concentrates forces on its southern borders and strengthens the borders with the use of heavy machinery.

From the material of Riyadh Farid Hijab:
Since the beginning of the civil war (in the SAR), Turkish media regularly published materials about the infringement of ethnic Turks in the border area of ​​Afrin. Public figures, journalists, politicians in Ankara have repeatedly come up with the idea of ​​incorporating this Syrian city into Turkey. Apparently, President Erdogan and his inner circle support this initiative.

The journalist writes:
Recently, it became known about the large-scale exercises of the Turkish army at the northern borders of Syria. Social network users are actively posting “pictorial maneuvers” of Turkish military equipment on their blogs exactly between the cities of Mumbridge and Afrin. Their purpose is clear and understandable. In the event that the armed Kurdish units, as well as the self-defense units formed in Mambidge move towards their comrades in Afrin, they will meet numerous Turkish armored units on the way. So, according to official information, today almost 3 thousand foot soldiers are concentrated in the north of Syria, about 150 tanks Turks, as well as armored vehicles and self-propelled artillery.


The Kurds living in the north of Syria have only one solution in this situation - to recognize the integrity of Syria, to stop the confrontation with the Syrian government army and sit down at the negotiating table for the possibility of obtaining broad autonomy. Otherwise, the Turkish army may well decide on aggressive actions against the Kurdish troops in the SAR, especially given the contradictions between these groups and the United States.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 7 November 2017 06: 34 New
    +1
    What will they stand for? Rather, what they will be told in Washington ... Although, of course, they need to conduct a dialogue with them. They are a certain force and cannot be ignored ..
    1. Smog
      Smog 7 November 2017 06: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: 210ox
      for what they say in Washington ..

      Not a fact. After the Americans surrendered the most insolent manner to Iraqi Kurds.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 7 November 2017 07: 21 New
        +1
        Americans, entire states betray, and you are about some Kurds!
      2. PalBor
        PalBor 7 November 2017 09: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Smog
        Quote: 210ox
        for what they say in Washington ..

        Not a fact. After the Americans surrendered the most insolent manner to Iraqi Kurds.

        At least Kurds Afrin. They have nowhere to go from Damascus (read - Russia).
        Our military police will leave from there - Erdogan will come.
        But Rozhava, barzanists, PKK, Talabanists ... There are all of them who are not too lazy to pull in different directions ... Lavrov will break his head what
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 7 November 2017 07: 21 New
      0
      And more recently, we drove the Kurds weapons .. funny huh?
      1. kolyhalovs
        kolyhalovs 7 November 2017 08: 18 New
        +5
        Well, why is it funny. These are all links of pressure on Turkey. "Tomatoes" so to speak. The delegation of Kurds Lavrov in Moscow received, also for a reason. I remind you that Turkey pursued its policy in Syria, co-directed with the United States and supported their puppets (but this is not accurate) from ISIS. But now there is a non-zero probability that Turkey and the United States will push their foreheads on the subject of Kurds, and they are NATO damn and both. Well isn't that funny?
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 7 November 2017 06: 35 New
    +2
    Whatever the Kurds would like, they have only two options — to agree with what Assad will offer, or to be destroyed by the Turks! !!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 November 2017 06: 38 New
      +2
      Well, the Turks have not yet destroyed them. Although they tried more than once. And ran into the horns ..
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Whatever the Kurds would like, they have only two options — to agree with what Assad will offer, or to be destroyed by the Turks! !!
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 7 November 2017 07: 05 New
        +1
        So far, the Turks are simply chasing the Kurds, because the Kurds along the entire Turkish border with Syria, Iraq, and Iran cannot be killed! But patting their money is another matter. Erdogad just understands that he cannot defeat all Kurds, so with some Kurdish formations he will have to conclude a temporary non-serving pact! !!
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 7 November 2017 07: 23 New
        +3
        What horns ..? Erdogan will beat the Kurds when he needs it! Without the support of either yours or Moscow ... no Kurds ..
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon 7 November 2017 08: 09 New
          +3
          Yeah, he’ll score, what will he score? The army that saw him in the coffin and is fighting through the stump of a deck.
          1. Viktor.12.71
            Viktor.12.71 7 November 2017 10: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Cartalon
            Yeah, he’ll score, what will he score? The army that saw him in the coffin and is fighting through the stump of a deck.

            The Turks support Erdogan if it weren’t for the people’s coup to succeed. At the expense of the Turkish army, I have no idea. There are not a few Turks in Kazakhstan and everyone I know supports Erdogan.
            1. ando_bor
              ando_bor 7 November 2017 11: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Viktor.12.71
              and I don’t have a clue about the Turkish army. There are not a few Turks in Kazakhstan and everyone I know supports Erdogan.

              The army was like all Turks, but the army had a very powerful layer of agents of American influence, (there were agents everywhere - business, officials, journalists, professors right up to school teachers) all officers older than the captain underwent powerful NATO processing, they shot down and arranged a coup after which everyone cleaned up especially the army, right up to the partial loss of fighting efficiency, a hundred thousand were fired, thirty are sitting (this is not only in the army), for understanding - in Ukraine they rule.
              How effective will these measures be - time will tell.
              Putin says that traditional methods of dealing with this are not effective, and what Erdogan is doing can be considered traditional measures.
            2. Woland
              Woland 8 November 2017 13: 46 New
              0
              In the East, which side do not accept, you will always be in the minority! There is all against all. Therefore, the most reasonable thing is to stock up on popcorn, sit on the very top and wait for someone to win. Then it will be possible to talk with the WINNER.
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 7 November 2017 12: 25 New
            0
            Just something a military coup did not take place .. wink
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 7 November 2017 11: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: igorka357
          What horns ..? Erdogan will kill the Kurds when he needs it! Without the support of either yours or Moscow ..Kurds no one..

          What time! 40 million people living at the junction of three states, ready to supply tens of thousands of potential fighters, is this a "trifle"? Is it because of this “trifle” that the three armies came into motion, just to prevent Washington from creating an independent Kurdistan? A “trifle” because of which two NATO members, the US and Turkey, entered into an open confrontation and call into question the notorious “unity” of the bloc ?. Erdogan is much more profitable to agree to Kurdish autonomy within Syria, and ideally just recognize the integrity of Syria within the existing borders, rather than give hope to Turkish Kurds to resolve their issue in the same way that the Kurds went in Iraq and Syria. Now Edik just wants to solve the problem of the Turkoman who live in northern Syria so that they would not be subjected to ethnic cleansing in the event of autonomy.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 7 November 2017 12: 28 New
            0
            Yes, at least a billion .. Kurds are not an integral nation, you yourself have confirmed that. Kurds are fighting as partisans .. of course it will be difficult to kill them all, but Erdogan can easily put them on the brink of survival, and then Kurds will not have time for autonomy ..
        3. Uncle Sam
          Uncle Sam 7 November 2017 16: 06 New
          +1
          For almost a hundred years, the Turkish Republic has been killing Kurds, and Kurds are becoming more and more. Another hundred years and 70-80 percent of the population of Turkey will be Kurds.
          Kurds are waging a guerrilla war in Turkey. The loss ratio is one in ten in favor of the Kurds.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 7 November 2017 09: 07 New
      0
      But what does Assad offer them? Kurds are not even called for talks in Astana
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 7 November 2017 11: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        But what does Assad offer them?

        Offers nothing, Assad has already said that the territorial integrity of the ATS will not be violated.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 7 November 2017 06: 41 New
    +1
    The Kurds living in northern Syria have only one option in this situation - to recognize the integrity of Syria, stop the confrontation with the Syrian government army and sit down at the negotiating table on the possibility of obtaining wide autonomy.

    This is probably the best way to avoid a new war ... wait and see ... if only the US CIA officers do not mischief there.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 7 November 2017 07: 24 New
      +1
      And they will do it stopudovo !!!
  4. alex-cn
    alex-cn 7 November 2017 06: 41 New
    +1
    These autonomies are a dark matter, the USSR has played enough with them; there isn’t either a separate state or a province. Cultural relief (the right to learn one’s own language and all that) is still possible. The Syrians lacked another civil war ...
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 7 November 2017 07: 00 New
      0
      Quote: alex-cn
      The dark matter is these autonomies, the USSR played enough with them

      Right Here you need to be careful with foreign autonomies. Something suspiciously they are drawn to us. recourse
  5. vlad007
    vlad007 7 November 2017 06: 43 New
    +1
    The first and main issue for Syria is the new (or updated) constitution. As far as I remember, it has already been written and submitted for approval to all participants in the process, the constitution of Syria, etc. should be spelled out in this constitution. The Turks cannot understand their Kurds, they are in a civil war and the intensity of this war depends, among other things, on the recognition of Kurdish autonomy in Syria. Everything there is not easy for the Turks and for the Kurds and for the Syrians.
  6. evil partisan
    evil partisan 7 November 2017 06: 44 New
    +1
    And what about the oil fields north of Deir ez Zora, which the Kurds crushed for themselves? Will they themselves leave them or will Assad have to knock them out of there?
    1. Stabilization
      Stabilization 7 November 2017 08: 35 New
      +1
      The main question with these fields ... How to sell the oil produced on them. Iran, Turks and Syrians obviously will not agree to this
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 7 November 2017 08: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Stabilization
        How to sell the oil produced on them.

        There would be oil, but there will be sales. Che, Turkey was very spat on the oil that ISIS sold it? So it will be here. yes
        1. Stabilization
          Stabilization 7 November 2017 09: 13 New
          +1
          Isil is one thing ... But with the Kurds, the Turks have different relations, so to speak. No one will allow mass marketing to the Kurds, it is not beneficial to anyone, and the Kurds by the way they themselves understand.
          1. Viktor.12.71
            Viktor.12.71 7 November 2017 10: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Stabilization
            Isil is one thing ... But with the Kurds, the Turks have different relations, so to speak. No one will allow mass marketing to the Kurds, it is not beneficial to anyone, and the Kurds by the way they themselves understand.

            Dollars don't smell.
            1. Stabilization
              Stabilization 7 November 2017 10: 25 New
              0
              Tell the Iranians and Syrians ... I'm not talking about the Russian Federation and Turechchin. The independent Kurdistan project in Syria can be considered closed.
              1. Viktor.12.71
                Viktor.12.71 7 November 2017 10: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Stabilization
                The independent Kurdistan project in Syria can be considered closed.

                The question will be closed when they agree or start to fight, and now the CAA and SDF are located almost 30 km from Abu Kemal. I did not see the news that the SDF would be eager to negotiate with Assad. And the Kurds can give the oil fields to the Americans as a fee for help and patronage.
    2. Uncle Sam
      Uncle Sam 7 November 2017 16: 10 New
      0
      That was where to start. This is the main thing, and this is a trump card in the hands of the Kurds.
  7. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 7 November 2017 06: 46 New
    +2
    The main thing is love. They love everything and everyone wherever they fall. It would be nice to stir up the conference.
  8. Observer2014
    Observer2014 7 November 2017 07: 11 New
    +3
    Syria, end the confrontation with the Syrian government army and sit down at the negotiating table on the possibility of obtaining wide autonomy. Otherwise, the Turkish army may well
    This is how the Kurds of Syria mastersly and cunningly used to be united within their former borders.
  9. axiles100682
    axiles100682 7 November 2017 08: 45 New
    0
    Broad autonomy without the right to secede from the republic and limited economic independence for the Kurds is now the very thing. They will not be allowed to create their own state either by Turkey or Iran.
    1. Uncle Sam
      Uncle Sam 7 November 2017 16: 13 New
      0
      May there be no one Kurdistan, may there be four. After all, the Arabs have dofiga states.
  10. axiles100682
    axiles100682 7 November 2017 08: 57 New
    0
    Assad needs to go directly to Kurdish rule and agree. It is normal for the clerical work to be preserved, including in its language. The culture of tradition is preserved and developed. It would also be nice if the Kurdish representatives were in the parliament and government
  11. Egorovich
    Egorovich 7 November 2017 10: 32 New
    +5
    No one will ever allow the creation of the state of Kurdistan in BV. This is a complete utopia. The best that awaits the Kurds is autonomy. If the state still wants to, there will be a big war to exterminate the Kurdish people.
  12. Livonetc
    Livonetc 7 November 2017 10: 58 New
    +1
    Step by step.
    Kurds like that frog whipping sour cream.
    They showed themselves not stupid.
    They are capable of both retreat and compromise and war.
    This water does not flow under a lying stone.
  13. Stabilization
    Stabilization 7 November 2017 10: 59 New
    0
    Well, if you didn’t see, it doesn’t mean that
  14. Vagarkov13 Agarkov
    Vagarkov13 Agarkov 8 November 2017 07: 58 New
    0
    what are Kurds in general, where did the disadvantaged come from?