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Development work on the creation of BRM based on the BMP-3

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Major-General Vladimir Marusin, Deputy Chief of the Main Staff of the Ground Forces for Intelligence, reports that intelligence forces should soon acquire a new combat reconnaissance vehicle based on the BMP-3. The press service of the main defense department of the country reports:
Development work is now open, and soon we will receive a combat reconnaissance vehicle based on the BMP-3, which fully meets our requirements. Of course, it differs from the BMP in its stuffing: there will be the newest technical reconnaissance equipment - radar, range finders, thermal sights, even unmanned aerial vehicle complexes there.


General Marusin noted that the non-fatal nature of the failure of the satellite navigation system will be a feature of the new BRM. The machine is able to operate in a completely autonomous mode, allowing you to determine your coordinates on the ground. Specific technological elements of determining the coordinates without a satellite component, implemented on the new BRM, are not called.

Development work on the creation of BRM based on the BMP-3


From the statement of the general:
After all, no one excludes that at some point the satellite consignment may refuse and will have to act offline.
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  1. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 6 November 2017 17: 01
    +2
    as I understand it, it will probably be the development of the PRG-4A "Argus" (mobile intelligence point)

    1. RASKAT
      RASKAT 6 November 2017 18: 15
      +2
      But the BRM-3k Lynx is no longer satisfied?
      1. okko077
        okko077 6 November 2017 23: 59
        0
        even complexes of unmanned aerial vehicles are provided there.
        Not even, but first of all they should work with UAVs ... And it should already be yesterday. This is a half measure, as the most primitive option for using target designation from UAVs .... But the control center for UAVs and the transfer of primary information to both their information system (in the near future) should be on a separate machine (Tiger). Combat Information systems will appear very soon and they will transmit direct targeting in real time to art means ,,, in the Coalition-SV and the Uragan-S MLRS such channels are already provided, but are not yet activated - there are no systems (ESU TK "Constellation-M" does not completely work in the target designation channel, as well as in general) ... With the development of BIS artillery systems and MLRS will be partially removed from the submission of artillery ... Where are Lopatov?
      2. bnm.99
        bnm.99 7 November 2017 21: 03
        -1
        Where is she?
  2. svp67
    svp67 6 November 2017 17: 02
    +2
    It’s strange, why have they been releasing BMP-3s for so many years and haven’t bothered with the creation of the BRM on its basis? With BMP-1, it all came out faster.

    Ah, yes then the country was called differently and treated this issue more responsibly. And yet, why on the basis of the BMP-3, and not the BMP-3M? It would be nevertheless necessary to look at the future and BMP-3M in this regard is much more promising, including with regard to export supplies.
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 6 November 2017 17: 55
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      Ah, yes then the country was called differently and treated this issue more responsibly. And yet, why on the basis of the BMP-3, and not the BMP-3M?

      ... in service since 1995 ... BRM-3K, also known as the Lynx, it is also the Object 501 ... don’t trick Granny ... wink
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 November 2017 18: 39
        0
        Quote: Inok10
        ... in service since 1995 ... BRM-3K, also known as the Lynx, also known as Object 501 ...

        Well then, everything will fall into place ... The new BRM is being developed on the basis of the BMP-3M.
        Quote: Inok10
        don’t trick Granny ...

        You know better ... I didn’t have to meet with the "Lynx", apparently a very rare "beast" in our "zoo"
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 6 November 2017 18: 45
          +7
          Quote: svp67
          You know better...

          ... brief TTX "BRM-3K":
          A special set of reconnaissance devices installed on the machine allows the crew to search, detect and identify targets at any time of the year or day, in conditions of limited optical visibility (rain, snow, fog, smoke curtains, interference from bright light sources), processing and transmission received intelligence information to reception centers at a distance of up to 100 km; if necessary, up to 350 km. On the BRM-3 machine, daylight and night observation devices 1PN71 "Benefit-2" and 1PN61 "Pecheneg", a laser rangefinder 1D14 "Fauna" and a radar reconnaissance station 1RL-133-1 "Kredo-M" were installed. The laser rangefinder is installed in a dome that rotates relative to the tower in the 60 ° sector. For operation, the radar rises on a boom about 1 m long. The machine commander or operator can deploy it in a sector of ± 240 ° from the “straight” position. The radar antenna can be removed and installed away from the car. The range of electronic optical reconnaissance at a range of up to 80 km. Received intelligence information is processed using the on-board computer.

          To accurately determine their own location and the location of targets on the machine installed navigation equipment TNA-4, 1G50 and 1T129. The basis of the navigation system is the Trona-1 topographic orientation system. This system receives data from several sensors, including a satellite navigation receiver. The initial orientation of the machine is done using the 1T25-1 sighting device.
          ... With respect ... when the Country was called differently - the Materiel was known by heart, as a multiplication table Etc. hi
          P. S and a very interesting video ... on the chassis of the BRM-3K 57-mm uninhabited combat module AU-220M Baikal ... pay attention to the screen saver at whose training ground passes the action ... this is how the robot is taught to shoot ... wink
          1. okko077
            okko077 7 November 2017 00: 10
            0
            And What does it mean: Range of electronic optical reconnaissance at a range up to 80 km. ??? Clarify ... Is that a new term like a fairy tale? Maybe the letter "and" lost?
  3. NIKNN
    NIKNN 6 November 2017 17: 02
    +5
    After all, no one excludes that at some point the satellite consignment may refuse and will have to act offline.
    Moreover, with a serious kneading, 100% satellite constellation is the goal, if not number 1, then in the first three ...
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 6 November 2017 17: 20
      +6
      A new BRM feature will be the non-fatality of the failure of the satellite navigation system. The machine is able to operate in a fully autonomous mode, allowing you to determine your coordinates on the ground.

      I wonder how this will be implemented.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 6 November 2017 17: 33
        +4
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        I wonder how this will be implemented.

        wait and see
        1. Alexander 3
          Alexander 3 6 November 2017 17: 43
          +1
          There is an inertial coordinate system, thanks to which our missiles flew earlier, I fully admit that this system even now exists as a backup.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 6 November 2017 18: 04
            +3
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            I wonder how this will be implemented.

            ... Hello Pash ... hi ... what difference does a satellite or ground marker station ... the essence doesn’t change, it’s just that more terrestrial ones are needed and the network is stretched ... I will fully admit the airborne binding site ... hi
            Quote: LSA57
            wait and see

            ... it was all up to the satellites ... now, as I understand it, they are moving to a new technological level ... The Navy also didn’t go by the sextant until the 70s ... there it had its own coordinate determination system, it was given if it does not change memory twice a day ...
            Quote: Alexander 3
            There is an inertial coordinate system, thanks to which our missiles flew earlier, I fully admit that this system even now exists as a backup.

            ... rather, one of the components will be in the new system ... correction is required on the ground, otherwise an error accumulates ... hi
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 November 2017 20: 15
              +2
              Hello my friend! hi
              Quote: Inok10
              I will admit the air anchor node ...

              Here I am about the same thing - we can only build assumptions on the meager information that we have.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 6 November 2017 20: 55
                +4
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                we can only build assumptions on the meager information that we have.

                ... Pash ... they haven’t gone anywhere ... everything is simply being transferred to a new qualitative level ... if it was previously 0,2-2 km. (mid-80s) ... it will now be up to 0,1 m. ... both worked and work ... RSDN-20 “Route”, RSDN “Chaika” ... one of the “base” ones you in n.p. Slonim subsystem RSDN-3/10, included in the "Seagull" ... and, about mobile just a song - RSDN-10 - North Caucasian, South Ural, Transbaikal, Far Eastern ... hi
                ... Aviation, where are you? ... you know very well "The Seagull" and depending on the region ... RSDN-3/10, RSDN-4, RSDN-5 ... wink
                ... and the "river guys" also do not hope for "shpuntiki" and space ... USA - "Loran-C", Europe - "Eurofix" ... hi
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 6 November 2017 21: 13
                  +2
                  Actually, I kept a lot of the things you listed in my mind. Indescribably glad that we think in parallel. soldier
        2. Anarchist
          Anarchist 6 November 2017 17: 45
          12
          Quote: LSA57
          wait and see

          If the teeth do not fall out lol otherwise you don’t have to chew ...
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 6 November 2017 17: 53
            +4
            Quote: Anarchist
            otherwise you don’t have to chew ...

            I’ll wait. even with prostheses, but I’ll wait!
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 6 November 2017 17: 44
        +3
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        I wonder how this will be implemented.

        Well, without a satellite, you can limit where the cell phone is and attach to the card. You can use the terrain mapping, like on airplanes (it is written that "the latest intelligence equipment will be there - Radar rangefinders, thermal imaging sights, even toUnmanned Aerial Vehicle Complexes provided there), with correction and reference to the map ..., yes, I think our scientists will come up with options, especially since the technical capabilities now allow ... hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 6 November 2017 20: 18
          +2
          Kohl, I suspect that the term "autonomy" meant independence from technical means in their electronic design. But I do not think that this implies a return to sextants.
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 6 November 2017 21: 31
            +4
            Pash, I mean that attention is focused on positioning, when the satellite constellation is destroyed, that is, the absence of Glonas, GPS.
            General Marusin noted that a feature of the new BRM will be the fatality of the failure of the satellite navigation system. The machine is able to operate in a fully autonomous mode, allowing you to determine your coordinates on the ground.
            It doesn’t scare me, they taught me to fly with a card on my knee. wink And here is America Without these devices, Moscow will definitely be confused with London ... lol
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 November 2017 21: 39
              +2
              So after all, I'm used to a map / croc and a compass. wink These GPS and Glonass are like a hedgehog - a boot for me.
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN 6 November 2017 21: 41
                +2
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                So after all, I'm used to a map / croc and a compass. wink These GPS and Glonass are like a hedgehog - a boot for me.

                I’m talking about the same thing, I can still wander around the navigator, especially in Russia, but I’ll go with the map ... laughing
              2. NIKNN
                NIKNN 6 November 2017 21: 45
                +2
                Only here is how to find the enemy if he is a poor fellow lost his way and does not understand where he is ... (and they will have a non-GPS service), then you need to develop the skills of a pathfinder ... laughing
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 6 November 2017 21: 55
                  +2
                  Kolya, I don’t know how they implemented it there. But Comrade Susanin will fully help them. yes
                  1. NIKNN
                    NIKNN 6 November 2017 21: 57
                    +2
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    But Comrade Susanin will fully help them.

                    The Poles remember, now in NATO, I think they shared their experience. wink
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 6 November 2017 22: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: NIKNN
                      Now in NATO, I think they shared their experience.

                      And this is what? One bolt-they will not fight with Russia themselves. And they themselves will rake other people's results.
            2. okko077
              okko077 7 November 2017 00: 30
              +1
              One card is not enough, how did you lag behind? .... And the adjustment with the help of a landmark and on-board means is the most primitive example to refresh your memory ....
            3. tracer
              tracer 7 November 2017 01: 40
              +1
              Satellites will fill up one hundred pounds. This is where the mechanics will triumph again.
              Here I was somehow proudly showing my compass from the army, stolen to one former marine in Minnesota. He praised, he liked how it was made with high quality. Measured ... class all says GUT GUT. ....... Just then asked where is the second hand?
        2. okko077
          okko077 7 November 2017 00: 20
          +1
          No need to reinvent the wheel. If the work is going on in the position area, you can pre-select the most convenient positions, mark them and store them in the computer’s memory, and when you really arrive at the place, so as not to maneuver for a long time, use geometrical adjustment according to the previously set benchmarks ...
  4. Holoy
    Holoy 6 November 2017 17: 03
    0
    It’s time to pass the Airborne Forces to the Ground Forces!
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 6 November 2017 17: 12
      +9
      Quote: Holoy
      It’s time to pass the Airborne Forces to the Ground Forces!

      belay What for? belay
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 6 November 2017 17: 57
        0
        Quote: LSA57
        Quote: Holoy
        It’s time to pass the Airborne Forces to the Ground Forces!

        belay What for? belay

        Probably because among the empirialists they are part of the SV ...
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 6 November 2017 18: 29
          +3
          Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
          Probably because among the empirialists they are part of

          Well then, to redo everything under the bourgeois? belay
          1. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 6 November 2017 22: 34
            0
            Quote: LSA57
            Well then, to redo everything under the bourgeois? belay

            Well, I would still combine the YES Command and Strategic Missile Forces into the Strategic Air Command, as in the United States, and I transferred most of the ICBMs to SSBNs ....
      2. Holoy
        Holoy 6 November 2017 19: 02
        +1
        In order to reduce the Generals and increase the combat capabilities. During the war, all the same, everyone will come under the command of the Ground Forces, so why produce the Generals and Staffs in peace?
        1. okko077
          okko077 7 November 2017 00: 25
          0
          No, you are behind! Everything passes under the command of the departments as part of the Combat Information Systems .. Everything except nuclear weapons ... And you no longer need to throw the airborne forces into the meat grinder, they have other very important functions ... It should be so, but not with our general staff ....
          1. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 7 November 2017 00: 43
            0
            Quote: okko077
            No, you are behind! Everything passes under the command of the departments as part of the Combat Information Systems .. Everything except nuclear weapons ... And you no longer need to throw the airborne forces into the meat grinder, they have other very important functions ... It should be so, but not with our general staff ....

            Who assigned you Art. Well, on this forum with such anti-Soviet views, you are just my young friend behind the times, you haven’t read the periodicals and don’t understand the whole current political moment ...
          2. Holoy
            Holoy 7 November 2017 12: 11
            0
            Quote: okko077
            . And you no longer need to throw the airborne forces into the meat grinder, they have other very important functions ...

            They have one function, to seize bridgeheads for the Ground Forces in the first place! So let it be done under the command of the Ground Forces!
            1. okko077
              okko077 7 November 2017 18: 03
              0
              That was yesterday, and today such tactics will turn them into meat. Why lay elite fighters, they are needed for another in a modern war ... Now there is no direct clash, there is no battlefield, there is no fire contact .... People are not even in the second echelon ... Otherwise, scouts are used to the old, to the rear, to the meat grinder - to provide coordinates to modern high-precision weapons and VKS. What kind of degenerate could come up with this? Although there is such an article on the forum for the holiday of scouts ... Well, how much should you take to chest to carry such a blizzard .... And who needs such weapons and such VKS?
              1. Holoy
                Holoy 7 November 2017 22: 07
                0
                The use of fronts has not been canceled. It's a misconception that such tactics are yesterday. No, not yesterday! Look at the strength of the PLA, the Turkish army, the army of Iran and the IRGC ... And they also have the Air Force, the PLA Air Force is generally stronger than ours ... Just yesterday, the war with Turkey almost started ... So you can’t avoid a meat grinder!
                Your theory is relevant only in the fight against terror ...
                1. okko077
                  okko077 8 November 2017 17: 49
                  0
                  A war zone, consisting of positional areas, which in turn consist of temporary bases, and combat strong positions or points, the last two categories can quickly change their position .... Command down to positional areas is at a distance ... Combat contact with the enemy is a forced short-term situation and is considered as an exception .... Rules for conducting a network-centric or modern war ... Remember ...
                  1. Holoy
                    Holoy 8 November 2017 18: 50
                    0
                    Say it to the PLA. With your tactics, the PLA will be in Moscow in two weeks along the good roads of Kazakhstan ...
    2. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 6 November 2017 22: 36
      0
      Quote: Holoy
      It’s time to pass the Airborne Forces to the Ground Forces!

      DShBr. at least return to the commander of VO in submission ...
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 November 2017 17: 07
    +2
    What can I say? Hands got to this. The skill of designers is growing, the element base is expanding. So to the BRM "matured".
  6. assa67
    assa67 6 November 2017 17: 13
    +3
    new threats, new technology ... preparing for the offensive?
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 6 November 2017 17: 16
    0
    Something is missing information. And who ordered this machine and is our MO ready to purchase this sample and in what quantity? As far as I understand the requirements should be set by the MO and R&D comes from here, then the customer chooses, and for now, only we should have one!
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 6 November 2017 17: 37
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      and is our MO ready to purchase this sample and in what quantity?

      "Development work is now open"
      how much can we talk about? and the rest too. There is not even a prototype yet. order a pig in a poke?
  8. san4es
    san4es 6 November 2017 17: 18
    +4
    [quote] ... the creation of an armored personnel carrier based on the BMP-3 .. [/ quote]

    request BRM-3K "Lynx" - a combat reconnaissance vehicle. Adopted by the Russian Federation in 1995. BRM-3K is based on the BMP-3. capable of operating behind enemy lines. It is distinguished by armament, consisting of 30 mm 2A72 guns and 4 ATGMs, an additional target detection and information transmission system, and navigation equipment. Appeared in 1995, the crew consists of 6 people. [/ Quote] soldier
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    2. Alex 2016
      Alex 2016 6 November 2017 17: 39
      +2
      So I wanted to recall the BRM Lynx, created on the basis of the BMP-3. I suspect that after receiving the money, the BRM Lynx will be presented as a new / newest machine that has no analogues) After all, it has not been shone anywhere for a long time. Well, then as always ...
  9. Herculesic
    Herculesic 6 November 2017 17: 33
    +1
    To create another BRM on the basis of Kurganets, the next on the basis of Almaty, then on the basis of t90, as an alternative to take MTLB as a basis fool - give only free rein, as always produce a variety of monotony! !!
  10. tchoni
    tchoni 6 November 2017 17: 40
    0
    It’s time to write it off, and they are trying to make candy out of it ... If my memory does not fail this device of the early 80s development ... almost the same age as the "Bradley" about the replacement of which in the matrasiland is not squeaky only lazy .....
  11. Going
    Going 6 November 2017 17: 50
    +9
    “After all, no one excludes that at some moment the satellite constellation may refuse and will have to operate offline.


    You must always consider this.
  12. Simon
    Simon 6 November 2017 18: 02
    +1
    Reconnaissance troops should soon acquire a new combat reconnaissance vehicle based on BMP-3. --- Good news! So soon a new, unique reconnaissance vehicle, a puzzle for our "partners" will appear. good
  13. Simon
    Simon 6 November 2017 18: 10
    0
    Quote: tchoni
    It’s time to write it off, and they are trying to make candy out of it ... If my memory does not fail this device of the early 80s development ... almost the same age as the "Bradley" about the replacement of which in the matrasiland is not squeaky only lazy .....

    My friend, if her tactical-technical and driving qualities are excellent, they accompany modern data, then when changing the old filling to the modern one, this machine will not be inferior, or even foreign analogues may ascend. Example LADA 2121, abroad and we have diverged by "cheers", and is available from the 70s, and only the filling has changedtongue
  14. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 6 November 2017 18: 49
    0
    Quote: Simon
    Reconnaissance troops should soon acquire a new combat reconnaissance vehicle based on BMP-3. --- Good news! So soon a new, unique reconnaissance vehicle, a puzzle for our "partners" will appear. good

    Universal is already there - there is a chemical, there is smoke, and artillery reconnaissance, and even something like a poise for drones, creeping, galloping and flying. And even on pillars and walls climbing.
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 7 November 2017 14: 11
    0
    An interesting car is plotting.
    I wonder which UAV is planned?
    A parasite on a "rope" or a copter?
    I immediately discard the plane, since mobility will interfere.
    And there it is to shut up and issue target designations for those who are behind.