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26 people died in Texas at the hands of a former US Air Force soldier

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According to the latest data, the number of victims as a result of the shooting in Texas has grown to 26 people. More over 20 people were injured. The shooting was opened by Devin Patrick Kelly, who, as reported by the American press, previously served in the US Air Force (from 2010 to 2014).


Kelly opened fire on the parishioners and pastoral composition of the Baptist church in the city of Sutherland Springs. Texas Governor Greg Abbott said it was “the bloodiest incident in the state in all his latest history».

CBS reports that the gunman Kelly was fired from military service and went to court. At the moment it is not known for what reason a criminal case was initiated against this person. It is known that Kelly was deprived of military rank and awards.

Witness:
He started shooting at the approach to the church. He was young. He is up to 30 years old.


Another eyewitness to what happened:
In it, one of the locals fired back. A man ran into the church and started shooting inside.


26 people died in Texas at the hands of a former US Air Force soldier


It is reported that after the shooting, he ran out onto the street and got into the car and tried to leave, but was eventually killed. According to others, Kelly shot himself.

Donald Trump, making the East Asian tour, expressed his condolences to the families of the victims and said that he was “following the situation.”
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  1. Primoos
    Primoos 6 November 2017 05: 49 New
    18
    Sectarians shot. It is a pity Turchinov was not there. It looks like the guy oversaw religious opium, or the Baptists cheated on him, what they know how to do virtuoso.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 6 November 2017 06: 58 New
      19
      Quote: Primoos
      Sectarians shot. It is a pity Turchinov was not there. It looks like the guy oversaw religious opium, or the Baptists cheated on him, what they know how to do virtuoso.


      not worthy words.

      people shot in the cervix.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 6 November 2017 09: 59 New
        +1
        Donald Trump on an East Asian tour expresses condolences to the families of the victims and stated that he was “monitoring the situation”.

        As follows. belay Well, like, everything is going according to plan, under my strict control? belay Tram blurt out of place ... or is it the journalists with my translation difficulties .... repeat
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 6 November 2017 11: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Maki Avellevich

        9
        Maki Avellyevich Today, 06:58 ↑ New
        Quote: Primoos
        Sectarians shot. It is a pity Turchinov was not there. It looks like the guy oversaw religious opium, or the Baptists cheated on him, what they know how to do virtuoso.


        not worthy words.

        people shot in the cervix.

        If they go to church with guns, then they think that the church is the place where you can shoot at will? After all, parishioners fired from the trunks in this adversary ...
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 6 November 2017 14: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          they go to church with weapons

          "God save America," is not all of America praying for it? Some kill in the name of God, others vice versa. to the glory of democracy. Something rotted in the "Danish kingdom." It seems to me that the events in Las Vegas, the nowadays in Texas and the regular executions throughout America (starting from schools and universities, ending with concerts and churches), this is only the beginning of a big schucher. For that fought for it and ran.
        2. Warlock_r
          Warlock_r 7 November 2017 08: 26 New
          0
          So they didn’t shoot at him from the church. He rushed into the church after they started shooting at him. Read carefully.
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 6 November 2017 17: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        people shot in the cervix.

        The Baptists do not have churches, temples ... A religious building, a temple, no more. Yes, and the Baptists themselves are still parasites.
      4. Primoos
        Primoos 7 November 2017 17: 16 New
        +2
        You are a cynical hypocrite. Machiavelli.
    2. Moskovit
      Moskovit 6 November 2017 07: 21 New
      13
      You can clearly overeaten overeat, since you are so happy about the execution of innocent people. They also dragged Turchaninov here. You have the same cannibalistic logic as that of this Ukrainian madman - since they think and pray differently, that means they are no longer people and are not worthy of life.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 6 November 2017 11: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Moskovit

        4
        Moskovit Today, 07:21 ↑ New
        You can clearly overeaten overeat, since you are so happy about the execution of innocent people. They also dragged Turchaninov here. You have the same cannibalistic logic as that of this Ukrainian madman - since they think and pray differently, that means they are no longer people and are not worthy of life

        They not only pray differently, they also go to church differently - with weapons. Is it that no one would interfere when they read the psalms?
        1. Moskovit
          Moskovit 6 November 2017 11: 58 New
          +2
          Firstly, they shot him outside the church, and who went there with weapons is not known. Maybe those who just didn’t want to enter the church with weapons. He was not met by a pastor with a machine gun. Secondly, knowing the Baptists, I’ll say that these people are very peaceful, and the possessed Turkish people are simply blocked by this mask in order to gain US encouragement, since the Baptists' positions are still strong there. It is strange why the Baptists still have not excommunicated him. In Russia, the Baptists served in construction battalions and railway forces, so as not to hold weapons in their hands. By the way, they turned out to be excellent captors, because they did not steal or thump.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 6 November 2017 11: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Moskovit
        You can clearly overeaten overeat, since you are so happy about the execution of innocent people. They also dragged Turchaninov here. You have the same cannibalistic logic as that of this Ukrainian madman - since they think and pray differently, that means they are no longer people and are not worthy of life.

        Was there Kelly?
        It is reported that after the shooting, he ran out onto the street and got into the car and tried to leave, but was eventually killed. According to others, Kelly shot himself.
        No one knows exactly what happened to Kelly))) And this is in the USA, where everyone is under the hood of the state. Maybe Kelly, having a tarnished reputation, was simply “sentenced” by the special services to the role of a shooter, and during the shooting, this Kelly for some reason already lay in the car for a couple of three hours as inanimate? With the shooter who recently shot the festival of country lovers, too, not everything is clear. One of the witnesses claimed that the shooting was conducted from several directions, but after a couple of such interviews, for some reason she suddenly died. If you were silent, you look and would live longer. Why do the authorities need this? Maybe for the fact that there was a reason in order to remove the trunks from the population, against the background of an approaching financial collapse?
      3. Primoos
        Primoos 7 November 2017 17: 20 New
        +2
        Why did you get that I'm happy? I just do not care about the misfortunes of an exceptional nation, and especially the Baptists. Had the opportunity to talk with them. Recommend. Will vomit for a long time.
    3. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 07: 35 New
      10
      this shooter could be overwhelmed. And when you need to give the command to kill. Pay attention, after all these maniacs are killed, that would cover up the traces of influence on him.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 6 November 2017 08: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
        this shooter could be overwhelmed. And when you need to give the command to kill. Pay attention, after all these maniacs are killed, that would cover up the traces of influence on him.
        It seems that this has already been settled for the flow in the states, the question is why do this ..... request
        1. ukoft
          ukoft 6 November 2017 09: 23 New
          +7
          this is done to limit the weapons of inheritance. anyone can buy a gun, a rifle, etc. from them. they want to ban it. they are afraid of their population, however, like all other governments.
          Is it not humane? yes, but they believe that in the interests of the country or society as a whole, this is entirely justified. they did so more than once: they blew up their cruiser in the port of Cuba, arranged on September 11, and so on. all in the interests of the country.
          By the way, the Boston attack, a very large resolution, many of the victims are actually actors. here the same thing is possible
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 6 November 2017 11: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: ukoft
            this is done to limit the weapons of inheritance. anyone can buy a gun, a rifle, etc. from them. they want to ban it. they are afraid of their population, however, like all other governments.

            In general, after such frenzy, they have seen a surge in arms sales.
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 6 November 2017 20: 50 New
              0
              The population is preparing for defense. By the way, in the United States, citizens are constitutionally allowed to confront the state with weapons in their hands! True, those who tried were destroyed immediately or crammed into prisons a little later.
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 6 November 2017 09: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: XXXIII
          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          this shooter could be overwhelmed. And when you need to give the command to kill. Pay attention, after all these maniacs are killed, that would cover up the traces of influence on him.
          It seems that this has already been settled for the flow in the states, the question is why do this ..... request

          Why? Run-in technology in the field. And now imagine a thousand of these at the elections in Russia ... Or ten thousand, at once in different cities. Well, it’s understandable, to the accompaniment of screaming liberotas and regime shockers. Who will be appointed guilty? Right, Darkest.
          1. oldzek
            oldzek 6 November 2017 10: 14 New
            +4
            was there during the war in Vietnam some lieutenant Kelly who destroyed the village of Songmi. is this not his relative interesting? is also not a psycho from the last.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 6 November 2017 15: 05 New
              0
              Quote: oldzek
              some lieutenant Kelly who destroyed the village of Songmi. is this interesting to him not a relative?

              Perhaps mental illness is inherited.
        3. Orionvit
          Orionvit 6 November 2017 15: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: XXXIII
          It seems that it has already been settled for the flow in the states, the question is why they are doing it.

          The removal of trunks. It will not give anything, since there are an order of magnitude more non-legal weapons in the states. In my opinion, this is done in order to distract people's attention. from problems in the states themselves. Economic, political, social, ethnic, etc. Only a far from distant person will argue that in the USA, everything is fine. Previously, "very competent political scientists" from the USA compared the USSR with a colossus with clay feet, now the "boomerang" has returned back from where it was launched.
        4. Fkjydjckfrgh
          Fkjydjckfrgh 7 November 2017 19: 17 New
          0
          Shatter the situation. Trump in the campaign program is a fighter for the rights of "squires". Now the situation: either go backward - "wags like a Markitan boat", will "stand on its own" - "soulless cattle - looking at how children die." Neither step will add "popularity". I like kayitsa.
      2. Moskovit
        Moskovit 6 November 2017 10: 21 New
        0
        It seems to me that they are being killed, because they are armed and can shoot someone else. And what would you do at the police station if you had an armed maniac in front of you.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 6 November 2017 20: 57 New
          0
          He would insert a syringe with sleeping pills and take the client to an electric chair.
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 6 November 2017 20: 58 New
            0
            Naturally, I would do it from a bulletproof vest of the highest protection class and in an armored helmet with a bulletproof visor.
    4. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 6 November 2017 11: 29 New
      0
      Former classmates and acquaintances of Devin Kelly, who opened fire at a church in Texas, called him weird, crazy, and also an outcast and an atheist. This is written by Daily Mail and BuzzFeed.
      As one of the Daily Mail's interlocutors said, Kelly “always spoke of those who believe in God, as fools and tried to preach their atheism.”
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 6 November 2017 06: 03 New
    11
    In the U.S., former military personnel quite often shoot civilians using skills gained in the U.S. Army ... as we can see, shooters choose places (churches, schools, concerts, etc.) where civilians do not have weapons with them and they can not fight back the attackers. ..that is an unarmed man a tasty prey for such scumbags ... the police, as always, come to count the number of corpses.
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 6 November 2017 06: 07 New
      +6
      The article says that one of the local returned fire .. Without him, there would have been more victims ..
      SchA will begin - who is for the firearm, who is against ..
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 6 November 2017 06: 17 New
        +3
        SchA will begin - who is for the firearm, who is against ..

        And what's so ... dozens of people were shot ... where was the power in the United States ???
        How to look for the Russian trace of hackers allegedly getting into the US elections so they dig everything there with their nose ... but then they couldn't close some kind of nuthouse ... puncture.


        Why in ISRAEL, for example, with such excesses, an attacker on civilians lives only a few seconds before return fire (although there are plenty of weapons in the hands of civilians) ... and so the thing is in the state system of permitting possession and use of weapons ....
        1. Settlement Oparyshev
          Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 06: 52 New
          15
          We cannot introduce a short-barreled people. Matriarchy reigns among the people and the appearance of a pistol in-law, radically changes the balance of power. And this is fraught with revolution.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 6 November 2017 06: 57 New
            +4
            We cannot introduce a short-barreled people. Matriarchy reigns among the people and the appearance of a pistol in-law, radically changes the balance of power. And this is fraught with revolution.


            Then how to protect defenseless citizens of RUSSIA from scumbags and loonies?

            A man armed with a knife burst into a local store in the village of Kedrovka. She stabbed a 57-year-old saleswoman with multiple blows, as well as an involuntary 54-year-old witness of the incident in a similar way, said police chief Valery Gorelykh.


            The police, of course, received rewards for the detention of a psycho ... but women can’t be returned what
            1. Settlement Oparyshev
              Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 07: 13 New
              0
              Our people have a marginal way of life. Nobody learns to protect themselves. The country is not frightened. In one word. Did the saleswoman have an ax or a knife? Everything was there, but they are sheep and are always ready to lay under the knife.
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              2. Same lech
                Same lech 6 November 2017 07: 21 New
                +6
                Interesting thing ... and you tried to protect yourself from a psycho who does not feel pain ... you beat him and he rushes a bull ...
                here's the video ... it hurts to look at the local police ...
                1. Settlement Oparyshev
                  Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 07: 26 New
                  +1
                  I tried, tricked him and survived. Strangled, I pretended to be dead and he let go. Self-control and the ability to fight outside the box, all that is needed.
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 6 November 2017 07: 27 New
                    +3
                    I tried, tricked him and survived. Strangled, I pretended to be dead and he let go.


                    Lucky you hi ... and you probably have a guardian angel ... others are less fortunate.
                    1. Settlement Oparyshev
                      Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 07: 32 New
                      +2
                      The same angel is not timothy, I understand, but panic and loss of self-control are death in such situations.
                  2. LSA57
                    LSA57 6 November 2017 07: 48 New
                    +7
                    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                    Choked, I pretended to be dead and he let go.

                    why didn’t you have a knife or an ax under your hand? or traumatism?
                    1. Settlement Oparyshev
                      Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 08: 25 New
                      0
                      We fooled around, fought, but the psychos are much stronger, I was captured and the strangulation began. Then I miraculously got out, in response, of course I drove my fist.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 6 November 2017 09: 23 New
                        +4
                        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                        . Then miraculously got out,

                        voooot. you should always carry an ax or a knife with you.
                        The saleswoman, didn’t there be an ax at hand or a knife?

                        they had
                2. cariperpaint
                  cariperpaint 6 November 2017 07: 36 New
                  +4
                  Oh well. it’s as if the saleswoman had a short barrel that would change something ... rather, a psycho with a knife would also have a barrel. The presence of a weapon does not change the essence of what is, deciding to shoot another person is one of the most difficult choices that can be imagined in life . you say it’s painful to look at the police. can you shoot a person yourself?
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 6 November 2017 07: 40 New
                    +3
                    can you shoot a person yourself?


                    If he rushes to kill my family ... take the life of an attacker without any hesitation ... for their life is more precious to me than mine ...

                    I understand the truth that they will put me after this ... but let three judge better than six bear.

                    If danger threatens only me smile I do not see anything shameful hands in the legs and run.
                    1. cariperpaint
                      cariperpaint 6 November 2017 07: 42 New
                      +3
                      I do not dispute this. I’m just saying that not everyone will be able to go through this Rubicon.
                    2. Settlement Oparyshev
                      Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 08: 32 New
                      +2
                      Why is it so tough? The attacker has legs, arms, dry his leg and he is motionless. There are several options for neutralizing the enemy, it’s not only necessary to kill him.
                      1. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 6 November 2017 10: 40 New
                        +3
                        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                        Why is it so tough? The attacker has legs, arms, dry his leg and he is motionless. There are several options for neutralizing the enemy, it’s not only necessary to kill him.

                        John Rambo, are you this? Long time no see! But let me ask you a question, but if an attacker dries your leg, how will you run away from him, in your arms?
                      2. Dedall
                        Dedall 6 November 2017 17: 57 New
                        +3
                        Yeah, like a kick in the balls. I had such a case when I worked on an ambulance. Then the old compassionate woman called up with the standard pretext: "It became bad." We arrive, and there is a peasant under the "squirrel" with an ax cleaver. It’s good that I was the first to go to him and there was a metal box in my hands. The ax is stuck in it. So the peasant then flew by half a meter from my blow. And then the blanket went into action, and we packed the “hot” into it. Then they called me to the department, but I showed them a photo of the box and fell behind. So it was all thirty-three years ago, and since then such an event is almost every day and for some reason all humanities are required of doctors.
                      3. sharp-lad
                        sharp-lad 6 November 2017 21: 11 New
                        +1
                        It is better to dry the attacking liver, it will not only immobilize, but also make you spend the last hours of your life thinking about your own idiocy.
                3. zivXP
                  zivXP 6 November 2017 09: 12 New
                  +4
                  We have no less crazy people among the cops, although they pass constant medical commissions. What is characteristic is friendship and still cover them.
              3. LSA57
                LSA57 6 November 2017 07: 43 New
                11
                Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                . At the saleswoman, didn’t there be an ax at hand or a knife?

                every day I go to the store and have never seen a saleswoman, or a cashier with an ax at hand
                Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                but they are sheep and are always ready to lie under the knife.

                Good opinions you have about ALL affected by the hands of maniacs. but to insult the dead PEOPLE, this is real rudeness. say more specifically on give site rules
                1. Settlement Oparyshev
                  Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 08: 30 New
                  0
                  "To be more specific, they don’t give the site’s rules" is not the rule, but it’s not your ability and your misunderstanding of the situations. Before the people and the saleswomen were stabbed to death, they were not ready for self-defense and were sheep. After they certainly became respected corpses.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 6 November 2017 09: 28 New
                    +5
                    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                    Before people and saleswomen were slaughtered, they were not ready for self-defense and were sheep.

                    First of all, they were WOMEN. and not very young. and nobody taught their self-defense techniques
                2. Settlement Oparyshev
                  Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 08: 39 New
                  0
                  And here is the ax? If a person is not subject to panic, he is armed with self-control, he has a cash register, a knife must be cut into sausage, a trifle in his hand or at the box office, you can not stun a little with a tin can, but the bottom line is that sheep are not able to break out. A man is either a predator or a prey. And for what I can’t imagine the victims, the sheep. Help.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 6 November 2017 09: 31 New
                    +6
                    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                    a knife must eat cut sausage

                    in all departments of course there is sausage
                    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                    But the bottom line is that the sheep are not able to break out. Wolves can defend. A person is either a predator or a victim. And for what I can not imagine victims, sheep. Help.

                    I help. mean children in your "sheep"? and all the rest who are not armed and do not expect subhuman attacks? not far from the Nazis you left !!!! angry
                    1. Settlement Oparyshev
                      Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 09: 47 New
                      0
                      You have misconceptions about children. At IS, at the age of 12, already with weapons, they are standing at the checkpoint and doing other work. Our sons and henchmen, 30 years old, are not all of course.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 6 November 2017 10: 03 New
                        +4
                        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                        . At IS at the age of 12, already with weapons, they stand at the checkpoint and do other work

                        that's why the IG and the terrorist organization that are being destroyed around the world
              4. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 6 November 2017 09: 52 New
                +9
                Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                Our people have a marginal way of life

                Yours is what kind of people? Whose will you be? What kind of people are these? Maybe you were stuck in the 90s? Here I have 5 units of firearms. I own them legally. I can judge the ownership of weapons very disciplined. All my friends and acquaintances are also armed. These are normal, law-abiding Russian men, hard workers. Marginals from the 90s and zero are already in the cemetery .And the drunkards have no access, except to the axes ... but that's another story. So it may be enough to obsess the Russian peasants and "margelize" them. Find out how many legitimate owners of firearms are in Russia, and the state’s control is very tight. In short, I am for a short barrel. I do not consider myself cattle and inadequate, incapable and unworthy of self-defense. Any aggression is based on impunity. And change the laws. A person and his property are inviolable.
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 6 November 2017 10: 06 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Barkhan
                  But the propots have no access except to the axes.

                  according to statistics, much more people die from kitchen knives than from a Kalashnikov assault rifle. I'm not talking about war
                  1. BARKHAN
                    BARKHAN 6 November 2017 10: 19 New
                    +6
                    Quote: LSA57
                    according to statistics, much more people die from kitchen knives than from a Kalashnikov assault rifle. I'm not talking about war

                    Here. And it does not occur to anyone to ban knives and axes.
                    1. LSA57
                      LSA57 6 November 2017 10: 29 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Barkhan
                      Here. And it does not occur to anyone to ban knives and axes.

                      here I am about it. long before the appearance of nuclear weapons, mankind learned to massively destroy similar objects at hand
                      1. sharp-lad
                        sharp-lad 6 November 2017 21: 23 New
                        +1
                        And continues in the same vein as far as strength and fiction. So an extra pistol with a cartridge reduced in comparison with the army, the power in the hand of a normal person certainly will not be superfluous.
              5. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 6 November 2017 10: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                Our people have a marginal way of life

                Yours? What is this?
            2. Orionvit
              Orionvit 6 November 2017 15: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: The same Lech
              Then how to protect defenseless citizens of RUSSIA from scumbags and loonies?

              The most important defense is to identify such loonies, even in childhood, and then specialized structures should work with them. Spit in such cases on the frantic howl of "human rights defenders."
          2. Kelwin
            Kelwin 7 November 2017 16: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: pp to Oparyshev
            We can’t introduce a short barrel

            It’s just not necessary, it’s a pointless thing, but not the point, I agree. and here
            Quote: pp to Oparyshev
            the appearance of a gun in the son-in-law radically changes the balance of power

            yah. a hammer, screwdriver or fist is even enough. the main thing is not what is in the hand, but what is in the head ...
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 6 November 2017 14: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Razvedka_Boem

        5
        Razvedka_Boem Today, 06: 07 ↑
        The article says that one of the local returned fire .. Without him, there would have been more victims ..

        It is not clear how many people were fired in all directions. And who in general began to shoot first.
        How did this Kelly get there if he was looking for a car to leave?
        Muddy business ...
      3. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 6 November 2017 16: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Razvedka_Boem
        The article says that one of the local returned fire .. Without him, there would have been more victims ..
        SchA will begin - who is for the firearm, who is against ..

        Video topic:
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 6 November 2017 07: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      the police, as always, come to count the number of corpses.

      and in all other countries even before the shooting?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 6 November 2017 07: 40 New
        +2
        and in all other countries even before the shooting?


        Learn from ISRAEL in this regard, they work very quickly.
        1. Razvedka_Boem
          Razvedka_Boem 6 November 2017 08: 16 New
          +2
          The example of Israel is incorrect, as they live in an atmosphere of constant threat.
          You can recall Switzerland, where the reservist keeps weapons at home and at the same time, the law-abiding population does not at all try to shoot and kill random people, and if the neighboring driver exceeds the speed, they call the police ..
          But they also did not immediately become such.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 6 November 2017 08: 20 New
            0
            But they also did not immediately become such.

            Yes, you are right ... the absence of wars, revolutions, disasters, mass migration of foreigners have formed a special mentality among the Swiss for weapons and for life in their country ... common sense and a calm future are a guarantee of security.
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 6 November 2017 09: 19 New
              +1
              If five years of owning smooth-bore weapons do not form the mentality and skills of possessing CCW, then Russians, in principle, are not trained.
              1. MOSKVITYANIN
                MOSKVITYANIN 6 November 2017 17: 24 New
                0
                Quote: strannik1985
                If five years of owning smooth-bore weapons do not form the mentality and skills of possessing CCW, then Russians, in principle, are not trained.

                Have you decided to be clever? Owning and gaining handling skills are two different things ...
                1. strannik1985
                  strannik1985 8 November 2017 07: 58 New
                  0
                  Clever is to indicate that the word clever is written together, and in this case strictly on the merits. Is the presence of a certain “weapons culture” not a necessary condition for the possession of CCW?
                  1. MOSKVITYANIN
                    MOSKVITYANIN 8 November 2017 20: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: strannik1985
                    Is the presence of a certain “weapons culture” not a necessary condition for the possession of CCW?

                    Need conditions (availability) to receive
                    "weapons culture"
                    1. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 9 November 2017 18: 59 New
                      0
                      I got a license, I bought a gun, the security requirements are the same. 5 years you own, you can get rifled. Do you think for 5 years the skills will not take root?
                      1. MOSKVITYANIN
                        MOSKVITYANIN 9 November 2017 19: 48 New
                        0
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        I got a license, I bought a gun, the security requirements are the same. 5 years you own, you can get rifled. Do you think for 5 years the skills will not take root?

                        I bought a carbine, made a shot, cleaned it, poured oil into the barrel, put it in a safe for 5 years ...
            2. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 6 November 2017 14: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: The same Lech

              0
              The same LECHA Today, 08:20 ↑
              But they also did not immediately become such.

              Yes, you are right ... the absence of wars, revolutions, disasters, mass migration of foreigners have formed a special mentality for weapons in the Swiss

              Well yes. They are all completely military-liable, basements of houses are equipped for long-term defensive installations with installed weapons and ammunition, from the absolute absence of any wars on its territory and because of the innate peacefulness.
              Until the 19th century, no one was swaying around Switzerland ... So they prepared the country for defense in such a way that at one time even Hitler decided not to meddle there.
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 6 November 2017 15: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Razvedka_Boem
            You can recall Switzerland

            So I say that the weapon has nothing to do with it. Just in the states, the system has rotted away, both political and social. Society is always keenly responding to the collapse of the system, at least in similar incidents.
            1. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem 6 November 2017 16: 35 New
              +2
              So I say that the weapon has nothing to do with it.

              Here it’s hard to disagree with you .. Because it’s not the weapon that kills .. A man presses the trigger.
              Psychologically, it’s easier to kill from a firearm, since there is no direct contact with the body .. I think this is the only reason for all obstacles to owning a firearm. In my opinion - all this garbage .. It's all a matter of man and his attitude to life.
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 6 November 2017 09: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: The same Lech
          Learn from ISRAEL in this regard, they work very quickly.

          how fast? 10 minutes, 5 minutes, one minute before shooting?
        3. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 6 November 2017 21: 31 New
          +1
          In Israel, on the streets of almost every second or military or reservist. And by the way, armed.
  3. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 6 November 2017 06: 04 New
    +2
    These are the great American wars glorified by Trump squealing from high stands.
    Well, who would doubt it!
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 6 November 2017 07: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      These are the great American wars glorified by Trump squealing from high stands.
      Well, who would doubt it!


      how did he get his face in the army? in the place of the psychiatric ward they took into the infantry.
      1. Cutter
        Cutter 6 November 2017 07: 24 New
        +9
        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        Quote: Retvizan 8
        These are the great American wars glorified by Trump squealing from high stands.
        Well, who would doubt it!


        how did he get his face in the army? in the place of the psychiatric ward they took into the infantry.

        This is nothing! They and with a face much more moronic in the senators take ... yes laughing
    2. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 08: 42 New
      +1
      There is no particular difference for all more than 45 days on the front end, "Military Syndrome" appears. But the way out of it depends on the mentality of society or on psychic intervention.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 6 November 2017 15: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
        everyone has more than 45 days on the front end, there is a "Military Syndrome". But the way out of it depends on the mentality of society or on psychic intervention

        Something our grandfathers, who went through a terrible war, then rebuilt the country, and they gave birth to children, and that neither one nor anyone massively shot on the streets. There was a surge of crime, I agree, but do not confuse criminals and ordinary men who went through the war, who continued to live an ordinary life.
  4. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 6 November 2017 06: 32 New
    +2
    US state ideology (exclusivity, market, homocracy, etc.) cultivates Satanism. Satanist was shooting. And people feel sorry.
    1. Bat
      Bat 6 November 2017 07: 44 New
      +2
      Why do you feel sorry for them? Surely, among them (the vast majority), they were happy to hear news of the bombing of Syrian villages, the shooting of Afghan weddings, and the bombings of Russian houses. In 2016, I talked with such. Average American laymen.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 6 November 2017 08: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: Bat
        The average American inhabitants.

        and you have to kill for it? and in Russia, are there really few "average inhabitants" and them too?
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 6 November 2017 15: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: LSA57
          and you have to kill for it?

          And who killed them? Uncle Vasya from Kostroma? This is their American showdown, and I do not care. They wanted “freedom and democracy,” let them now eat in full. It seems that they have already eaten and such food has already burped, in the form of mass executions, bandit wars and the rest of lawlessness. Before you teach the whole world, let them put things in order for a start.
      2. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 6 November 2017 10: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Bat
        Why do you feel sorry for them? Surely, among them (the vast majority), they were happy to hear news of the bombing of Syrian villages, the shooting of Afghan weddings, and the bombings of Russian houses. In 2016, I talked with such. Average American laymen.

        The average American inhabitants, unlike the Khokhloskakuas, do not know and are not interested in either Syria or Afghanistan, and they treat Russia with caution only because they said so to them. So it's still a pity.
  5. Molot1979
    Molot1979 6 November 2017 06: 38 New
    +8
    Free sale of weapons implies. As rightly noted about the previous shooter, from Las Vegas, guns are not acquired to hang on a wall, but to shoot people. There can be no other purpose. Supporters of the legalization of trunks note: in this case, someone still used a gun for self-defense. But did not hit. And almost 30 corpses did not cancel. The killer went to kill and was ready, the self-defender went to pray and was not ready for battle. The result is obvious: the offender is always in a better position than the victim. And the victim’s presence of his trunk does not change anything.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 6 November 2017 06: 45 New
      +5
      Supporters of the legalization of trunks note: in this case, someone still used a gun for self-defense. But did not hit. And almost 30 corpses did not cancel. The killer went to kill and was ready, the self-defender went to pray and was not ready for battle.


      For proponents of a civilian weapons ban for a note ... 26 corpses on the conscience of the Texas state authorities did not properly protect civilians ... that is, the state ...
      and while the state is not able to protect the life and health of law-abiding citizens, these citizens should have the legal right to weapons and self-defense against thugs.
      1. The black
        The black 6 November 2017 06: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        and while the state is not able to protect the life and health of law-abiding citizens, these citizens should have the legal right to weapons and self-defense against thugs.

        .... yes, but then you can say so ..
        the matter is in the state system of permitting possession and use of weapons ....
        ..... so long as there is no 100% certainty that corrupt officials will not give permission to a psychopath, there can be no question of any free sale of a short-barrel ....
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 6 November 2017 07: 10 New
          +4
          there can be no talk of any free sale of a short barrel ....

          Free weapons sold only in Afghan bazaars smile still registered in the USA ...

          Pistols can usually be purchased only for people over 21 years old, guns - after reaching 18 years. When buying a weapon in a store, the buyer fills out a special form where his home address, place of work, etc. is entered, signs a number of documents (thus declaring that all the information he provides is accurate) and in some states leaves a thumbprint on his right hand. The buyer is also required to present their documents to the seller, in some states, before buying weapons, you must undergo a special training course.

          Federal law states that weapons sold must have certain characteristics. Since 1986, the United States has banned the sale of fully automatic weapons (however, machine guns, machine guns, etc., issued before 1986, may remain in the possession of people and sold by them privately). In 1994, another restriction was introduced - stores of rapid-fire rifles should not hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition (respectively, it is allowed to own and resell privately acquired stores purchased before 1994).

          Of course, there should be control over the circulation of weapons by the state throughout its life until re-melting in the open-hearth furnace.

          But this is not the main thing ... again, if the state cannot protect the life of citizens, it does not have any moral right to prohibit citizens from saving their lives by all available means.
          1. The black
            The black 6 November 2017 07: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: The same Lech
            But this is not the main thing ... again, if the state cannot protect the life of citizens, it does not have any moral right to prohibit citizens from saving their lives by all available means.

            Well, the American state doesn’t forbid having weapons ... did it help like these 50 people ... or those 80 in Vegas?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 6 November 2017 07: 37 New
              +3
              Well, the American state doesn’t forbid having weapons ... did it help like these 50 people ... or those 80 in Vegas?

              A ban does it help ??? from nutty military men and criminals of all stripes who have weapons without any prohibitions?
          2. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 7 November 2017 18: 56 New
            0
            Quote: The same Lech
            The same LEKHA Yesterday, 07:10 ↑
            there can be no talk of any free sale of a short barrel ....

            Guns are freely sold only at Afghan bazaars smile in the USA, nevertheless, it is registered

            In the states, weapons can be bought by mail. Anyone can buy it: a respectable citizen, a psychopath, a criminal, a drug addict, a teenager with a fake driver’s license, and generally anyone. Those. absolute neglect.
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 6 November 2017 09: 57 New
          +6
          Quote: Black
          .here until there is 100% certainty that corrupt officials will not give permission to a psychopath, there can be no question of any free sale of a short-barrel ....

          A psychopath can always acquire weapons bypassing the state, and citizens will remain unarmed slaves. Only slaves are forbidden to have weapons.
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 6 November 2017 15: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        citizens must have the legal right to weapons and self-defense against thugs

        The fact is that in order to get permission for a legal trunk, you need to go through some instances, including a psychiatric examination. In addition, legal trunks trunks are "shot off" by the police and all weapons data are stored in a special file cabinet. Only the latter will go to commit a crime with his registered trunk. But you can buy a "left" trunk in the states on "every corner", especially in the blocks where the police are afraid to drop in.
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    3. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 07: 15 New
      0
      Las Vegas is the same politician, but at least two shot there.
    4. Same lech
      Same lech 6 November 2017 08: 13 New
      0
      the self-defender went to pray and was not ready for battle. The result is obvious: the offender is always in a better position than the victim. And the victim’s presence of his trunk does not change anything.


      You are not right...

      The local resident tried to prevent the criminal, who began to shoot at the attacker. Kelly tried to hide from him in a car in which his body was later found. But it is still unknown whether he died from a bullet of a city dweller or committed suicide.
      hi
    5. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 6 November 2017 21: 37 New
      0
      The 26 dead had no weapons, the one who had it - returned home to family and children!
    6. Weyland
      Weyland 8 November 2017 01: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Molot1979
      Supporters of the legalization of trunks note: in this case, someone still used a gun for self-defense. But did not hit.

      How do you know you didn’t hit? Do not forget - this scumbag, among other things, prudently put on an armor! And again: from what distance was the “honest duel” short-barrel against the rifle?
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 November 2017 06: 39 New
    +3
    SchA will begin - who is for the firearm, who is against ..

    The possession of firearms is an almost inalienable right of Americans, especially in this state. Too often over the past year in the United States began to use this "right" for mass executions. I.Diotov is certainly enough everywhere, but when he is armed it is fraught with tragic consequences. Information for consideration. Families of the deceased condolences.
    1. bald
      bald 6 November 2017 09: 39 New
      +2
      Gennady calmly and correctly answered, but this is not a topic for military review, although it concerns the acquisition of weapons. Any normal can move out, and the trunk is already officially registered. It's all about the nature of society (social). Getting a weapon for permission is a pure formality (for what, a medical certificate, recommendations, etc.). Laughter, but when I made out in civilian life - I decided to pin it on the final honey of the commission - the doctor says and writes an official document (with watermarks) on which weapon the permission is - I list and she writes - smooth-bore, rifled, gas, and (and said so) a grenade launcher - and she wrote it down. The same thing happens in a psychiatric hospital, narcology, a district police officer and a solicitor.
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 6 November 2017 06: 48 New
    +1
    The child of the deceased is a pity! And what happened is the beginning of the return to the United States of the evil that they are spreading all over the world, that they deserve, and have received.
  8. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 06: 55 New
    0
    This is politics. And whose blow and by whom we will find out soon. There are either globalists by country people, or vice versa.
  9. andrewkor
    andrewkor 6 November 2017 06: 56 New
    +3
    The unfortunate Uzbek terrorist self-taught against this background is simply an amateur. Because of him, now the tribe will not receive a Green Card! Sanctions against the USF, urgently!
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 November 2017 06: 57 New
    +2
    However. From my point of view, the tension in American society is growing. And psychos are such indicators. Some grab onto the trunks, others - behind the wheel of a truck ... Just the easy accessibility of weapons of psychos will provoke. Well, there is simply MUCH.
    It is possible to get it from us, but for this it is necessary to significantly “bend gyrus", and the material costs will be required quite a bit ... Quite crazy - it will be difficult
    1. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 07: 16 New
      +1
      There is a struggle between globalists and countrymen, and psychos are just an instrument of this war.
  11. Bat
    Bat 6 November 2017 07: 16 New
    +1
    ..... and Putin’s profile on his left chest, and Lenin himself in full view on his right chest. Hand of Moscow. Definitely
  12. Eurodav
    Eurodav 6 November 2017 07: 34 New
    +1
    Another one has seen, albeit radically ...
  13. Going
    Going 6 November 2017 07: 35 New
    +9
    It is reported that after the shooting, he ran out onto the street and got into the car and tried to leave, but was eventually killed. According to others, Kelly shot himself.


    Interesting Russian trace will be found? , and condolences to the relatives of the dead and injured.
  14. ando_bor
    ando_bor 6 November 2017 08: 19 New
    0
    It is clear that the tolerasts are to blame for everything, they have broken the braces, and here are the demons, who are kicking the weak with the mind and spirit of the former US military personnel.
  15. Sergey53
    Sergey53 6 November 2017 08: 21 New
    0
    How they behave in other countries \ Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, etc. \ So they behave in their own country. People do not change.
  16. Million
    Million 6 November 2017 08: 36 New
    +2
    But if the parishioners were armed, then this would not have happened! Give weapons to the masses! (Sarcasm)
    PS Innocent people are always humanly sorry ...
  17. bald
    bald 6 November 2017 09: 20 New
    0
    Not a topic for the military - just the news. Now what, we will bury our heads offended?
  18. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 10: 00 New
    0
    You have misconceptions about children. At IS, at the age of 12, already with weapons, they are standing at the checkpoint and doing other work. Our sons and henchmen, 30 years old, are not all of course.LSA57,
  19. silver169
    silver169 6 November 2017 10: 09 New
    0
    Something is clearly not happening in the most democratic country in the world. Massacres are committed with enviable constancy almost every day.
  20. Egorovich
    Egorovich 6 November 2017 11: 02 New
    +5
    This can happen in any country in the world. You can kill with a weapon, a machine, a cleaver, etc. .. A person is practically not protected anywhere. And people are very sorry.
  21. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 6 November 2017 11: 34 New
    0
    And what will they do when the commander of a strategic bomber or missile submarine starts firing at some city he doesn’t like.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 6 November 2017 21: 46 New
      0
      Fortunately, this is easy to foresee; it is impossible to use such a powerful weapon alone and to use it.
      I would not want to be mistaken.
  22. prior
    prior 6 November 2017 11: 44 New
    +1
    How scary to live for ordinary Americans!
    Around the agents of the Kremlin, the Russian threat, Russian hackers, the KGB ....
    Inevitably, you will begin to shoot back.
    They brought themselves to hysteria, now they have what they have.
    And all Powell with his test tube .....
  23. Vard
    Vard 6 November 2017 13: 44 New
    0
    They go to church without weapons ... but still there was someone with a gun ... otherwise the victims would have been much more likely ...
  24. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 6 November 2017 15: 04 New
    +2
    Putin expressed his condolences to Trump ... The Ukrainian side fired on the Donbass from multiple launch rocket systems. Trump and Putin did not express condolences to anyone about this.
  25. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 6 November 2017 18: 06 New
    +6
    If a Russian former soldier shot in the Russian Federation, the stench would have been raised to heaven, and an article such as "Putin's bloody executioner arranged a massacre" would be called.

    And when this happens in America, it’s normal, you think people shot, and in general, everything that happens in the USA is the affairs of the USA, so do not meddle in our affairs, or is democracy not enough for you?
  26. Oznob
    Oznob 7 November 2017 17: 04 New
    +1
    Some savages. I am brushing.
  27. strannik1985
    strannik1985 10 November 2017 12: 37 New
    0
    MOSKVITYANIN,
    This is a personal matter, there are opportunities for mastering the "weapons culture", I could not, it’s my fault.