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Why Sobchak, Poklonskaya and Kadyrov want to bury Lenin

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Why Sobchak, Poklonskaya and Kadyrov want to bury Lenin

K. Sobchak, N. Poklonskaya and R. Kadyrov opposed Vladimir Lenin, proposing to remove the leader of the world and Russian revolution from Red Square. Obviously, this is due to two factors. First, the public needs to be blown up again, to divert from more pressing, serious problems that cause all of humanity and Russia to be corroded.


Secondly, after the 1985 counterrevolution - 1993. in Russia, “new nobles” —the masters of the country who seized people's property and power — matured and took shape. And they want to remove the symbols of Soviet civilization remaining in the Russian Federation, including the Mausoleum, in abundance. They believe that they took revenge. The first wave of de-Sovietization, under the cover of de-Stalinization, and in fact, de-Russification and Russophobia, took place back in 1990 - 2000-s. We saw a similar, but more terrible picture in the Baltic States, where the dwarf Nazi regimes were born, in Ukraine, where it came to civil war, in Georgia, in the republics of Central Asia. Trying to get rid of the "damned Soviet past," in the republics of the former Soviet Union (in fact, Great Russia, the Russian Empire), it is extremely harsh somewhere, like in Georgia, the Baltic States and Ukraine, gently, somewhat, in fact, encourages to all Russian people stories, language and culture.

State Duma Deputy Natalya Poklonskaya said: “To look at a corpse in the center of the capital is at least inhumane and not human. Is finding the dead as an exhibit for mass viewing can bring joy and bright feelings to someone's hearts? If the decision on burial is made, it means that a new stage in the development of our Motherland will come, with the page of the past turned over and the willingness to go further, remembering the lessons of history. ”

She was supported by the head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov: “I am personally convinced that it is enough to stare at Lenin’s corpse. And it is high time to bury the leader of the revolution — this is both rational and humane. A whole research institute is working on the body of Lenin. Near his body is on duty round the clock security. It is wrong that in the heart of Russia, on Red Square, there is a coffin with a dead man. If the decision to bury Lenin’s body is made, it will be the most accurate from a historical point of view. In this case, the decision on the disposal should not be selective. Both the body of Lenin and the Naib of Imam Shamil Hadji Murad, whose head is still kept in the Museum of St. Petersburg, must be turned over to the earth. ”

On the one hand, This is a distraction of the public from the real, fundamental problems that are again facing Russia and the Russian people. In a similar situation, Russia was already 100 years ago. There is already a terrible and bloody world war on the planet. It has already killed hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people were injured and became refugees. Entire states were destroyed - Libya, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan. Next in line are the new states. The masters of the West again, as in 1914 and 1941. they unleashed a global slaughter to hide their managerial mistakes, set religion, civilization, countries, nations and cultures together, go into the shadows, and then on the ruins of the old world get all the gesheft.

Russia is already a participant in this war. We are fighting in Syria. Shoot Russian cities in the Ukraine-Ukraine. In the ancient Russian capital, Kiev, a bloody, gangster-oligarchic regime established itself that unleashed a civil war, Russians were set against the Russians, who were told that they were “Ukrainians”. This regime serves the masters of the West, fulfilling the role of a “ram”, which must draw the rest of Russian civilization into an endless, exhausting slaughter. Meanwhile, the United States, NATO, and the West are preparing military bridgeheads in the Baltic States, Scandinavia, Poland and Romania, and already in Ukraine for throwing into the rest of Russia. The signal should be the “Russian Maidan”, an attempt by the oligarchy and the Westernizers to “negotiate” with the West by surrendering the Crimea, Kaliningrad, the Kuriles, and the nuclear arsenal.

At the same time, in Russia itself, as well as at the beginning of the 20th, the core issues were ripe and over-ripe. Their essence is To be or not to be. Russian civilization, Russian superethnos need a goal of being. We cannot simply exist, slide into empty consumption, leading to the complete degeneration of human essence, like Western societies. If materialism and a consumer society prevail in Russia, hedonism (in fact, a society of extermination and self-destruction), there will be no Russia-Russia and a Rus-superethnos. In the genetic code, the program-matrix of the Russian super-ethnos, social justice, truth and ethics of conscience (participation in the highest truth and justice) are laid. Hence all the other issues and problems - the consistent destruction of the education and health care systems, demography, physical and mental degradation of the nation, the issue of property (justice), the need for new industrialization, a breakthrough into the future with a new titanic program of space exploration, the question of relations with the West - we “Junior partner” to run errands, semi-colony reservation, with a fading great nation or an independent civilization and superpower, etc.

On the other hand, we see the will of three representatives of the “new nobility” of Russia. Ksenia Sobchak is a typical representative of the ultra-liberal wing of the Russian Westernizers-liberals and the new bourgeoisie. They owned all the power in 1990-2000-s. Sobchak, Gaidar, Chubais, Yeltsin plundered (privatized) the country, the government and the national wealth. Lost almost all positions on foreign policy lines. They brought tremendous wealth — they could have spent more than one shock five-year plan, making Russia one of the most prosperous countries in the world. Destroyed the best education in the world. Under their rule, millions of Russian people died out, even more were not born (the so-called depopulation, in fact, the extinction of the superethnos). The national economy was turned into a "pipe economy". The overwhelming majority of the people were put on the brink of survival. The greatest culture in the world is successfully dumped in a cesspool. You can list for a very long time. This is a topic for the modern history of Russia - the volume of unpunished crimes and the betrayal of a great nation and state.

Now, this “new nobility” detachment, against the background of world war and the reluctance of the “power wing” of the Russian top to finally bend before the masters of the West, wants to launch a new wave of de-Sovietisation (at the same time, de-Russification, because the Russians are the “genetic scum”). That is, to cause a sharp split in Russian society against the backdrop of the outbreak of world war. It should be remembered that our people are based on workers and peasants, and after a total stupor of the people in 1990-2000-s, there is now a rollback. More and more people are beginning to understand and appreciate the achievements of October, the Soviet civilization and the mighty Soviet Union. To recall that then a society of justice was built for all, and not just a narrow circle of “chosen ones,” a society of service and creation, where there is no place for parasitizing a narrow social stratum over the masses. That then we were a superpower, we had the best armed forces in the world, the best education in the world, we were the most reading nation in the world. People, having devoured the “charms” of capitalism, the consumer society and the pursuit of pleasures with the gradual abandonment of humanity, seeing the gradual introduction of “monetary relations” in kindergartens, schools, universities, medical institutions, begin to realize that in the USSR people were really protected.

Another squad of the current “new nobility” is the new monarchists, Nicholas the Second's fan club, like N. Poklonskaya. They are immersed in the myth of the crunch of the French roll. Ostensibly, the Russian Empire was the most prosperous and spiritual nation in the world. But evil red commissars (bribed by the Kaiser or American bankers) came and crushed the great empire. They slaughtered the best part of the society - aristocrats, noblemen, officers, clergy, intellectuals, junkers, gymnasium students, etc. It remains only "genetic trash". The Bolsheviks built a "prison of nations" and there they rotted out and destroyed the rest of the best people of Russia, the rest of the people turned into "hereditary slaves." In general, the myth on the myth.

These gentlemen fiercely hate the Soviet past, in this they are similar to Western liberals. They want to destroy all traces of the Soviet civilization, in fact, to destroy the highest achievements of the Russian people. What this road leads to, we see very well in Ukraine-Ukraine. Neo-Nazi Bandera is the next level of neo-monarchists. In their fierce hatred of everything Soviet, they will destroy all the best Russian. There will be "the economy of the pipe" - with the king drove agricultural raw materials, now - hydrocarbons, metals, timber, again grain, diamonds. People will try to drive in churches and mosques, with the total fall of the spirituality of society - against the background of strip clubs, army of prostitutes, drug addicts, organized crime, abomination, flourishing on TV, etc. The contenders are ready. Part of the Russian elite rush, receives noble titles, various awards. He is preparing for the Renaissance, where the "nobles" have their own separate, elite neighborhoods, villages, schools for children, etc.

Another detachment, represented by the head of Chechnya R. Kadyrov, is ethnocracy. It flourishes with every weakening of the empire. For ethnocracy, social justice, the Soviet project is death. Her path is an archaic, an attempt to drive a person into the dense past, into neo-feudalism and even deeper into primitiveness. We can again see the most vivid examples on the fragments of the USSR. In almost all the republics of the USSR, which gained independence in the 1991 year, nationalism flourished, right up to the most cave forms. In the Baltics, these are the Nazi regimes, in Turkestan - Islamization, de-Sovietisation, de-Russification, with the power of the new khans and bais. And the hatred of the Russian (Soviet) "invaders" who led these margins from the tribal and feudal relations to common prosperity, within the framework of a single multinational Russian civilization. Hatred of a common development project aimed at all people, not excluding their racial, national, tribal, religious or socio-economic basis. All the problems of separatist Bantustans are blamed on Russians and Soviet ones. Like, looted, occupied, destroyed, forced to abandon the national and religious identity.

In general, the policy of ethnocracy leads to a new collapse of the Russian civilization into “independent” Bantustans. ” Hence, the problem of the Russian language in Tatarstan, etc. The enemies of the Russian people "need to rock the boat," push the Russians against the Tatars and other ethnic groups. All this we have already passed, it is enough to read the history of the Civil War. The national question is one of the doors to inferno, to darkness and the sea of ​​blood.

The new Soviet society of service and creation, social justice, destroyed the archaic, the desire to become a caste of "chosen", "new nobles" ruling "genetic scum". Hence the hatred of the current "elected" to Lenin, Stalin, the Soviet project as a whole and the desire to bury them once and for all.
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  1. mavrus
    mavrus 6 November 2017 09: 51 New
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    Well, here Poklonskaya and Kadyrov in one connection with Sobchachki and maydaunami were ... Interesting, and who else wants ...
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 6 November 2017 09: 53 New
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      The answer is given in the article why l \ they are at war with Lenin.
      “Russian civilization, the Russian superethnos, needs a goal of being. We cannot simply exist, slide into empty consumption, leading to the complete degeneration of the human essence, like Western societies. If materialism and consumer society, hedonism (in essence, a society of extermination and self-destruction) prevails ), Russia-Russia and the superethnos of the Russians will not be. The genetic code, the matrix program of the Russian superethnos are based on social justice, truth and ethics of conscience (participation in the highest truth and justice). "
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      The new Soviet society of service and creation, social justice, destroyed the archaic, the desire to become a caste of "chosen", "new nobles" ruling "genetic scum". Hence the hatred of the current "elected" to Lenin, Stalin, the Soviet project as a whole and the desire to bury them once and for all.
      1. Zibelew
        Zibelew 6 November 2017 10: 20 New
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        The deranged tsarism of the brain. The astral lover of Nikolai the Bloody and Sobchak, the daddy who stripped Russia like a stick, apparently wants to wake the Russian bear. But it would be better if they did not. After all, they will do it.
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          1. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 12: 54 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            And this is an hour, not "beyond good and evil"? A drunk, absolutely immoral shala wah marks for the presidency.


            The lass became bored, they began to forget, and so decided to "try something new." She herself perfectly understands that she will gain a percentage at the level of statistical error, but there will be conversations for that! And then, and look, it converts this "popularity" into a denyuzhku - "who wants to sleep with a presidential candidate! Expensive!"
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 November 2017 17: 03 New
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              To the devil to the peoples of Russia in the country's leadership drunk d.ury in the form of a second drunk Yeltsin in a skirt!
              Drunk in umat Ksenia Sobchak. Posted September 13 2012 year
            2. weksha50
              weksha50 6 November 2017 19: 13 New
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              Quote: EwgenyZ
              converts this "popularity" into denyuzhku - "someone wants to sleep with a presidential candidate! expensive!"


              Will Maxim sell tickets?
          2. Mackiawelly
            Mackiawelly 6 November 2017 17: 58 New
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            For the first time in Russian history, an explicit slut for president! Well this is what freedom! And a whole squad of prostitutes flooded her, cool !!
            1. iouris
              iouris 6 November 2017 22: 37 New
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              Well, EBN was not sober. From the bridge fell. But they were friends with America. Sucking. In conquered Germany, he conducted. If Vittorgan becomes the first lady of the Russian Federation, then the fun will continue. Gender again. The Russian Federation will become a normal Eastern European country. The Department of Defense can be trusted with Gordon, she loves boys. The General Staff will laugh.
        2. Mikhail Zubkov
          Mikhail Zubkov 6 November 2017 13: 57 New
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          Lenin is a Russophobe and a Germanophile, and even at least an agent of Germany’s influence, if not an instrument of its general staff for the collapse of Great Russia, using the Soviet form of local self-government and state HOLD that arose at the behest of the people in the interests of the cosmopolitan clique of the "Bolsheviks" hostile to the Russian and other peoples of the Russian Empire -Internationalists, "who established in the country with TERRORIST METHODS the brutal dictatorship of the party apparatus, under the cover of lies about the" dictatorship of the proletariat ", about" proletarian internationalism "and" world proletarian revolution "! So I think, in the past 17 years, a member of the CPSU, passing the CPSU history three times by 5, moreover, in the best Soviet universities, including MGIMO, the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and even made a career thanks to membership in the party - sincerely, from pioneering and Komsomol years, having parents - sincere communist front-line soldiers, mistaken in relation to V.I. Lenin and his CRIMINAL Bolshevik elite. At the same time, I despise Nikolai the Bloody for 4/5 of the Germans for not being able to defend Great Russia from a terrible Bolshevik affliction (it turned out to be not just “bloody”), and all the more so I despise the political and generally God forgive secular the puppet Ksyushka Sobchak, whom our Russian POWERFUL start and fortune abhor and threaten. And do not confuse the Georgian Russophile Joseph Dzhugashvili-Stalin, with the semi-German Ulyanov-Lenin, and even more so with Russophobes such as Bronstein-Trotsky and Dzerzhinsky, from whom he managed to wrest party and state power with TERRORIST methods and POLITICAL intrigues. all its peoples from national disasters in a hostile environment, wars and conspiracies. And I, MANY, are deeply convinced that it’s time to remove Lenin’s mummy from
          1. tracer
            tracer 6 November 2017 15: 02 New
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            I sincerely agree with you, I myself could not express my thoughts clearer than you.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 November 2017 16: 29 New
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              Mikhail Zubkov
              And I, MANY, are deeply convinced that it’s time to remove Lenin’s mummy from
              You think nearsightedly - not in the state! Not in the interests of national security of the country and its peoples!
              The time will come - and Lenin will be removed from the Mausoleum, when the consent of the majority of the people!
              In addition, you personally do not know everything about Lenin. Bad, scary, but he did make the first socialist revolution in the world! Without Lenin, there would be no Stalin! You would not have a socialist homeland with its economic opportunities for universal human capital, as they say now.
              So do not rush corpses to please the new nouveau riches, religious denominations and Western colonialists of the Russian Federation !!
              1. MOSKVITYANIN
                MOSKVITYANIN 6 November 2017 18: 07 New
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                Tatyana You think nearsightedly - not in the state! Not in the interests of national security of the country and its peoples!

                She herself would have gone to a cemetery after death, where parades are held once a year and cultural events are constantly held ...
                It’s better to bring him to the Butovo training ground so that he will be tormented forever, for his deeds, I’ll go to hell when I meet him, I will surely fill his face ...
                1. Freeman
                  Freeman 6 November 2017 19: 53 New
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                  MOSKVITYANIN Today, 18: 07
                  She herself would lie down after death in a cemetery, where parades are held once a year.

                  Well, for example, the French (some kind of entertainers lol ) did so.
                  Unkown soldiers grave (Fr. Tombe du Soldat inconnu), which fell during the First World War, is located under the arches of the Paris Triumphal Arch.
                  It was initially decided (in November 1919, the first anniversary of the armistice) to bury the Unknown Soldier in the Pantheon, however under public pressure, it was decided to place a grave under the Arc de Triomphe. On January 28, 1921, a solemn burial took place. / wiki /

                  And the July 14 parade (Bastille Day) begins there.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 7 November 2017 05: 19 New
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                    MOSKVITYANIN
                    Tatyana You think nearsightedly - not in the state! Not in the interests of national security of the country and its peoples!

                    She herself would have gone to a cemetery after death, where parades are held once a year and cultural events are constantly held ...
                    Would lay down. Why not?
                    Firstly, every year I would have been involved in these glorious parades, and secondly, also involved in the well-being of my people, who gloriously live and have fun in peacetime. Moreover, the grave is under state protection.
                    Only nobody will bother me with such an honor!
                    And you personally, Sergey, under a plausible pretext just want oblivion of Ilyich and our entire history of the Soviet period - and no less! As the saying goes, "Out of sight, out of mind!" Cleverly - for the enemies of Russia!
                    If you, Sergei, do not like the parades near the graves, then you can even get to the failure of the guard of honor and salute at the funeral of the fallen heroes! And then later it will be possible to refuse pensions to their relatives. Etc.
                    1. MOSKVITYANIN
                      MOSKVITYANIN 7 November 2017 23: 34 New
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                      Tatyana just want oblivion of Ilyich and our entire history of the Soviet period

                      Let’s say “Flies separately, cutlets separately”, I owe my life to the Soviet people, Lenin, by his comrades, destroyed RI ....
                      If you, Sergei, do not like the parades near the graves, then you can even get to the failure of the guard of honor and salute at the funeral of the fallen heroes!

                      The ashes of an unknown soldier will be in centuries since he defended the honor and freedom of my homeland - the RSFSR (I was born in it), and Vova Ulyanov will be damned forever ....
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 10 November 2017 16: 14 New
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                        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                        The ashes of an unknown soldier will be in centuries since he defended honor and freedom of my homeland - RSFSR (I was born in it), and Vova Ulyanov will be cursed forever ....
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                        Lord, what sawdust in your head !!! Logic WHERE ??
                        If V.I. Lenin is cursed - all the more damned is the state that arose solely thanks to him - the RSFSR (and nothing else) - and what honor (from the state you cursed) was protected by the soldier then ???

                        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                        Let’s say “Flies separately, cutlets separately”, I owe my life to the Soviet people, Lenin, by his comrades, destroyed RI ....
                        - or RI - or the Soviet people - and they could not cross at all. It was impossible to build the Soviet state - without destroying the RI. So either you are grateful to the USSR or cry for RI - an attempt to reconcile them among themselves looks simply stupid ... They are antagonists ..
          2. SERGUS
            SERGUS 6 November 2017 16: 50 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            Lenin - Russophobe and Germanophile

            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            At the same time, I despise "Nicholas the Bloody", 4/5 German

            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            do not confuse the Georgian Russophile Joseph Dzhugashvili-Stalin with the semi-German Ulyanov-Lenin, and even more so with Russophobes like Bronstein-Trotsky and Dzerzhinsky

            Yes, you directly branded everyone, already hurts your eyes, but give the justification for the fact that Lenin is an agent of Germany, do we have factories that were crumbling at the command of the Germans?
            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            So I think in the past 17 years member of the CPSU, three times passing the "history of the CPSU" by 5, moreover, in the best Soviet universities, including MGIMO, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, and even made a career thanks to membership in the party - sincerelysince pioneering and Komsomol years, having parents - sincere communist front-line soldiers, mistaken in respect of V.I. Lenin

            For 17 years you sincerely served the ideas of communism, and then you suddenly realized that you were mistaken! It was because of these that we asked ... whether the country, they also wanted to build communism, and then they realized that they were mistaken, and they wanted not to build communism but money and wealth. Sorry for being rude, but you are defaming yourself, you are saying that you were a member of the CPSU, a pioneer, i.e. they took an oath to fight as Lenin bequeathed and all that, and emphasize that you did it sincerely, and then you were suddenly mistaken. And what if the war? Can you also understand that you were mistaken and go over to the side of the Americans?
          3. Per se.
            Per se. 6 November 2017 17: 13 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            So I think, in the past 17 years a member of the CPSU, who passed the “history of the CPSU” three times on 5, and in the best Soviet universities, including the MGIMO of the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and even made a career thanks to membership in the party - sincerely, from pioneering and Komsomol years
            Who sincerely made a career? ... This, however, is strongly said, directly, - the "confession" of a werewolf-opportunist. Now another power, capitalism, worldview has changed for technical reasons ... So socialist morality was trashed, and the Communists were discredited, and ultimately such “members” destroyed a great country that would never have been created under tsarism or pro-Western puppets, such as Sashka Kerensky. Were it not for the Bolsheviks, in Russia Chubais, Gaidars and Yeltsins would have appeared not after 1991, but after 1917, and not having inherited a nuclear and space superpower, but a semi-literate country exhausted by the war for the interests of the Entente, and all in debt to this Entente . No one would allow Russia to become a superpower, the Anglo-Saxons would not destroy in Europe the competitors for the world throne of capitalism, in particular, the Russian Empire. The West does not need a strong Russia, neither with the tsar, nor with the Communists, nor with the Democrats, it is not needed with anyone at all. We are alive now only because we have not yet eaten the Soviet margin of safety, the Soviet legacy of a superpower, which took place only thanks to the communists, socialism, an independent power pole, in which nothing shone on every Rothschild and Rockefeller. Farewell, "the daughter of an officer", in the past 17 years in the CPSU, "Stirlitz" from capitalism and monarchism.
          4. E_V_N
            E_V_N 6 November 2017 20: 00 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            Lenin is a Russophobe and a Germanophile, and even at least an agent of Germany’s influence, if not an instrument of its general staff for the collapse of Great Russia, using the Soviet form of local self-government and state HOLD that arose at the behest of the people in the interests of the cosmopolitan clique of the "Bolsheviks" hostile to the Russian and other peoples of the Russian Empire -Internationalists, "who established in the country with TERRORIST METHODS the brutal dictatorship of the party apparatus, under the cover of lies about the" dictatorship of the proletariat ", about" proletarian internationalism "and" world proletarian revolution "! So I think, in the past 17 years, a member of the CPSU, three times passing the "history of the CPSU" by 5, moreover, in the best Soviet universities, including MGIMO, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, and even made a career thanks to party membership


            Mr. Mikhail Zubkov, I read you an opus and don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Personally, I also handed over scientific communism at the institute, but unlike you, observing how the words of the party elite of the CPSU diverge from real affairs, I refused to join the party, even for the sake of a career. Well, I could not cheat as you did. Have you really been so naive (or unreasonable) that you believed these slogans and are talkative and so illegible in your means.
            Now about your statements. To begin with, Lenin died in 1924, before that he was seriously wounded in 1918 and for the next 6 years he was physically unable to do what you accuse him of. The civil war ended only in 1922, and the last 2 years of life, it was from 1922 that Lenin was generally in a state of insanity. Lenin was a theorist, not a practitioner, the practitioners were just Stalin, Trotsky, Dzerzhinsky and others. And as a theoretician, he could well believe in the "world revolution" and in the "world proletariat." And the fact that Lenin made the Idol was not his fault, but his misfortune. But everyone else clung to this “Idol of Communism”, both Stalin adored by you, and Trotsky damned, and all the following from Khrushchev and Brezhnev, to Gorbachev called themselves Leninists. And you yourself joining the ranks of the CPSU vowed to be faithful to the cause of Lenin.
            1. ver_
              ver_ 13 November 2017 08: 39 New
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              ... he was wounded by * order * of the closest associate, also a Jew, Jacob Sverdlov, Fani Kaplan didn’t see a damn thing 3 meters away, Yasha * was persuaded * at the rally by hard workers - he did not live 3 days from this thanks, almost like Leo Bronstein, who was thanked by an ice ax .., and the dead of Ulyanov = Lenin = Blank from chronic syphilis, which * earned * in exile ..
              1. your1970
                your1970 13 November 2017 11: 10 New
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                Quote: ver_
                and the Ulyanov’s death = Lenin = Blank from chronic syphilis, which * earned * in exile ..
                - you won’t believe it: gentlemen in the royal family (uncles, nephews) were also with a "love sickness" ...
          5. iouris
            iouris 6 November 2017 22: 45 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            three times passed the "history of the CPSU" by 5,

            We all learned a bit of something and somehow. Slow down, you are not diplomatic, or else, the hour is uneven, there is enough konfrashka. Drink something soon. Though water.
          6. wax
            wax 6 November 2017 23: 20 New
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            You set yourself up as an example of a person who “studied”, “passed” exams at 5, “consisted”, but were a real device and remained essentially illiterate.


          7. AA17
            AA17 7 November 2017 14: 13 New
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            Dear Mikhail Zubkov. Why did you torture yourself like that for 17 years? Why at once, “into the eyes”, the admissions committee did not say everything that they thought about V.I. Lenin, entering the MGIMO of the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs ???
          8. skullcap
            skullcap 7 November 2017 15: 47 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            Lenin is a Russophobe and Germanophile, and even at least an agent of influence ...

            ... of the West. I agree.
            Fundamentally, it can be considered another Lzhedmitry, which the West managed to put on the Russian throne under the popular slogans about justice: the land - the peasants, the plants - the workers, who deceived the people and turned it into slavery for the benefit of the "thinnest" professional revolutionaries.
            Despite this, the Russian people managed not only to defeat Nazism, but also to digest the grafted Western teaching, to build the world's greatest and most humane state — the Soviet Union.
          9. Manul
            Manul 8 November 2017 03: 34 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            Lenin is a Russophobe and a Germanophile, and even at least an agent of Germany’s influence, if not an instrument of its General Staff for the collapse of Great Russia, which used the will of the people

            Lenin is a great man who managed to correct the all-win situation against Russia, to correct it. And your big words of a training manual turn into a tube and do further as usual. You don’t have to roll bags.
          10. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 9 November 2017 16: 17 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
            So I think, in the past 17 years, a member of the CPSU, passing the CPSU history three times by 5, moreover, in the best Soviet universities, including MGIMO, the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and even made a career thanks to membership in the party - sincerely, from pioneering and Komsomol years, having parents - sincere communist front-line soldiers, mistaken in relation to V.I. Lenin and his CRIMINAL Bolshevik elite.

            Now it’s clear why the counter-revolution won in 1991. There are no enemies with party members like you. 17 years in the party 3 times passed the history of the CPSU, and reasoning at the graduate level of the kindergarten. Ndaaa, Russia is rich in stupid people.
        3. Dart2027
          Dart2027 7 November 2017 19: 43 New
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          Quote: Zibelew
          The deranged tsarism of the brain.

          Given the fact that Ukraine was created precisely at the request of Lenin, it would be strange to especially love him.
          1. Manul
            Manul 8 November 2017 03: 36 New
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            Quote: Dart2027
            Given the fact that Ukraine was created precisely at the request of Lenin, it would be strange to especially love him.

            The country was ruined before him. He did everything he could to keep what was already bursting at the seams. And more than that, he embodied the Real idea of ​​Socialism. Before that, it was just a theory, including the dreamer theorists Marx and Engels (Tsiolkovsky was also a similar theorist, this is not a neglect of their genius, but sympathy .. It’s a pity they all did not live to see embodiment of their ideas and understanding of everything that is known at the moment). You can’t even imagine what you are talking about. To such clever people as you need to go through a couple more levels on the console, and here you were reveling.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 8 November 2017 19: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: Manul
              The country was ruined before him. He did everything he could to keep what was already bursting at the seams.

              I know very well that it was not the Bolsheviks who overthrew the tsar, if you are talking about this, but the creation of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people is entirely their merit.
              Quote: Manul
              And more than that, he embodied the Real idea of ​​Socialism.
              So where is he?
              Quote: Manul
              You can’t even imagine what you are talking about. To such clever people as you need to go through a couple more levels on the console, and here you were reveling.
              That is, in principle, do you agree?
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 9 November 2017 10: 48 New
                +3
                Quote: Dart2027
                I know very well that it was not the Bolsheviks who overthrew the tsar, if you are talking about this, but the creation of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people is entirely their merit


                You also need to know that the Emperor of the Russian Empire was called "Tsar and Grand Duke Great (Great Russia -" Russians ") and Small (Little Russia -" Ukraine ") and Belaya (Belarus -" Belarusians) Russia and more. " Kerin malorosy not abolished. So, Lenin did not create anything new. He simply gave Malorosia the status of a republic equal with the RSFSR.

                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Manul
                And more than that, he embodied the Real idea of ​​Socialism.

                So where is he?

                I lived under real socialism and I can not reason from other people's words, but you lived?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 9 November 2017 19: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  You must also know that
                  Little Russia is about like some kind of region, and not a separate state that never existed. So it was Lenin who created it.
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  I lived under real socialism
                  I managed to catch the USSR and I don’t remember any socialism.
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 10 November 2017 09: 13 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Quote: E_V_N
                    You must also know that
                    Little Russia is about like some kind of region, and not a separate state that never existed. So it was Lenin who created it.
                    Quote: E_V_N
                    I lived under real socialism
                    I managed to catch the USSR and I don’t remember any socialism.

                    The emperor of the Republic of Ingushetia would not list in his title the insignificant “some areas”. The title lists the most important. This does not mean that malorosiya was then a separate state, but that there were "Lands of Little Russia" this is unequivocal. The only question is the boundaries of these lands.

                    You "managed to catch the USSR", and I lived in it at a very conscious age. And what do you think of socialism? How should you remember socialism, by what criteria?
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 10 November 2017 18: 35 New
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                      Quote: E_V_N
                      This does not mean that malorosiya was then a separate state, but that there were "Lands of Little Russia" this is unequivocal.
                      It’s very interesting. “By God's gracious mercy,
                      We, NN, Emperor and Samoderzhets of All-Russia, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimirovsk, Novogorodsk; Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Poland, Tsar of Siberia, Tsar of Khersonis of Taurida, Tsar of Gruzinski; Sovereign Pskov and Great Prince Smolensk, Litovsk, Volyn, Podolsk and Finland; Prince of Estonia, Livonian, Kurland and Semigalsky, Samogitsky, Bulostoksky, Korelsky, Tversky, Yugorsk, Perm, Vyatsky, Bulgarian and others; The Sovereign and Grand Prince of Novgorod in the lower lands, Chernigov, Ryazansk, Polotsk, Rostov, Yaroslavsk, Bulozersk, Udorsk, Obdorsk, Konstantin and Iver lands and all the lands of the country Cherkassky and Gorsky princes and other heirs to the Sovereign and Possessor; Sovereign Turkestanskiy, Naslednik Norwegian, Herzog Schleswig-Golstinskiy, Stormarnskiy, Ditmarsenskiy and Oldenburgskiy and others, and so on and so on. ”
                      In Russia, then, as now, there were and are, for example, Novgorod deputies - will we declare Novgorod as a special people who have the right to the status of a republic equal to Russia? Lenin created Ukraine, no matter how much you would like the opposite.
                      Quote: E_V_N
                      And what do you think of socialism?
                      Well, this is at least when the power elites do not pursue a policy aimed at consciously destroying their own country.
        4. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 7 November 2017 20: 14 New
          +3
          Ah, Lenin prevented, and they say dearly! And to build here and there all sorts of places of sorrow, isn’t it right and expensive? Do you want someone to mourn --- go to the burial place! There are also monuments to enemies and traitors !!!!!
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      3. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 11: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: badens1111
        If materialism and consumer society will prevail in Russia, hedonism (in fact, a society of extermination and self-destruction), Russia-Russia, and the superethnos of Russians will not exist.
        Quote:

        Do not tell me who put materialism "at the forefront"? Not really "stubborn crystal bakers"? Do not confuse anything?
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 6 November 2017 11: 39 New
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          Quote: EwgenyZ
          Not really "stubborn crystal bakers"? Do not confuse anything?

          You sir do not seem to understand much in the question that you are asking. IDEOLOGY of consumption, whose? Your crisp and liberal and liberal, you want to argue?
          Challenge.
          https://unixone.ru/?p=1270
          1. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 12: 03 New
            +7
            Well, actually, materialism is one of the pillars of communism. I am wrong? Any materialism leads to a consumer society, which happened to us “safely” in the 70-80s, and then a logical ending followed - the collapse of the country. The USSR was destroyed not by the “traitor Gorbachev” and “Alkasheltsin,” but by the dullness and poverty of Soviet life, people wanted to live “as there”, “beyond the hill”.

            Quote: badens1111
            https://unixone.ru/?p=1270

            Are you distributing Kramolu?)))
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 6 November 2017 12: 21 New
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              Quote: EwgenyZ
              Any materialism leads to a consumer society,

              priests with crunches on rounded bellies, religion does not particularly interfere with riding armored limousines.
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              and the dullness and poverty of Soviet life,

              Dullness and poverty of mind, but rather artificially imposed money-grubbing moods.
              "If there is a Devil in the world, then he is not a goat-horned stag, but a Dragon with three heads, and these heads are Cunning, Greed, Betrayal"
              1. EwgenyZ
                EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 13: 10 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                priests with crunches on rounded bellies, religion does not particularly interfere with riding armored limousines.

                Should they ride donkeys? By the way, comrade Stalin, too, did not move on a bicycle.

                Quote: Stroporez
                Dullness and poverty of mind, but rather artificially imposed money-grubbing moods.

                Well, I agree with you.
                I live in Yekaterinburg, in Soviet times there was a shoe factory - Uralobuv, it made good, high-quality shoes, but for some reason people didn’t like it (shoes), they called Urallapot. Well, duck, when a new THINKING came with him, the era of cooperatives and “lumps” came (remember this term?). Here in these "lumps" styles appear in the public domain the well-worn sneakers "Adidas", "Nike", etc. Well, the people went to buy these beautiful, albeit worn-out sneakers, but didn’t look at the “ural shoes”, although they were made in good quality, but didn’t look ... Well, that's what I wrote all about: “urallapot” - a sentence To the Soviet Union. We, like the Papuans, were bought for various beautiful cheap firtlushki (Coca-Cola, bubblegum, Levyce, McDonald's, etc.). Tell me, dear man, didn’t we have talented designers who could make this “urallapot” beautiful and comfortable?
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 6 November 2017 14: 20 New
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                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  Should they ride donkeys? By the way, comrade Stalin, too, did not move on a bicycle.

                  Comrade Stalin is the head of the country, and who are the cassockers? And why are those who call to live according to the commandments themselves violate them around and around? Few examples?
                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  We, like the Papuans, were bought for various beautiful cheap firtlushki (Coca-Cola, bubblegum, Levyce, McDonald's, etc.). Tell me, dear man, didn’t we have talented designers who could make this “urallapot” beautiful and comfortable?

                  You were bought not by us, but by YOU as the very ones ... with the help of demagogues, such as Olgovich, who generously throws all kinds of lies here.
                  Yes, there was a bias in the production of consumer goods, but this was not a reason for the country to be torn to pieces by an American economist of Russian descent V. Leontyev, world-wide by the way, he offered the stigmatized misunderstanding a way out of the situation, all you had to do was reconfigure the economy for good and there was a lot of money to release the fact that the fans of the "well-worn" adidas suffered so much, but they didn’t listen to him, and since they didn’t, it’s understandable why the goal was different, the collapse of the country through the enrichment and seizure of property was rather narrow a bunch of faces.
                  Stalin’s engineers knew how the economy worked and knew its shortcomings, and the next generation of “Komsomol members” and Gorbachev had an idea only about the functioning of the party, and only knew how to obey orders and obey their elders. Old engineers knew that a market economy would kill the system, and Gorbachev did not understand the economy at all and was not interested in it.
                  In 1992, the scientist made a completely discouraging Russian radical reformers statement: “Cutting a tree is much easier than planting a seedling and growing it. The political, economic and social order in Russia was quickly and spontaneously destroyed. Tough but effective centralized planning allowed Russia to quickly turn from a relatively backward agrarian country into a powerful, albeit ineffective, industrial power. In the end, Russia was able to compete with the US in an arms race! ... Now Russia will need at least 70 years to build an effective market economy. It is very easy to destroy the market by replacing it with a command and administrative system. It’s much harder to build an efficient market. It took Western countries seven centuries to reach the current level of development of society. Although Russia has found its role in the global division of labor, this role is limited to the supply of raw materials ... The main problem that Russia has encountered is the poor quality of management. ”

                  The Russian authorities chose not to hear Leontief. It was much more profitable to continue the course of “shock therapy”, promising citizens an early increase in welfare as a result of the “triumph of a market economy”.
                  http://mamlas.livejournal.com/3167782.html
                  1. EwgenyZ
                    EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 15: 01 New
                    +2
                    Quote: badens1111
                    And why are those who call to live according to the commandments, themselves violate them all around and around? Few examples?

                    You will name a couple dozen such examples, and there are many more priests, and most of them live by the commandments.


                    Quote: badens1111
                    Yes, there was a bias in the production of consumer goods, but this is not the reason for tearing the country to shreds

                    It was not a bias, but a conscious policy and philosophy - "they will take it like that, there’s no other," since the days of the "Stalinist engineers" who "knew how the economy works."
                    1. E_V_N
                      E_V_N 7 November 2017 13: 51 New
                      +3
                      Quote: EwgenyZ

                      You will name a couple dozen such examples, and there are many more priests, and most of them live by the commandments.

                      Rather, you can name a dozen living on the commandments.
                      Don’t you remember the story of the patriarch’s watch, what is it for him, time to know, or watch for several millions better time shows? And the story of "dust penetration" into the apartment of the patriarch, as a result, the doctor gave his apartment to cover the "damage" to the property of the patriarch. And the story of the leasing of premises in the patriarchal courtyard, and the story of duty-free importation of cigarettes by our church, and the drunken accidents of uncles in robes. And the stories of sodomy in the seminaries, and ... a ... etc.
                      But in essence, what is the Church in relation to God, LLC for the organization of theatrical rituals, and these rituals themselves come up with. Or do you think that God who created the World in 7 days needs these prayers, candles, gilt robes, incense and other ritual tinsel? Or do you think that God, who kind of created man “in his own image and likeness” and considers all people equal, needs these humiliations ... “forgive the servant of God”? So that there is nothing sacred and honest in the priests.

                      Quote: EwgenyZ
                      It was not a bias, but a conscious policy and philosophy - "they will take it like that, there’s no other," since the days of the "Stalinist engineers" who "knew how the economy works."

                      What are you making such strange conclusions? In the days of the "Stalinist engineers" the task was to feed and clothe the population. If you have a kilogram of flour and a piece of cloth, will you bake bread or start to bother with cakes, will you eat a sweatshirt or a tuxedo?
                  2. EwgenyZ
                    EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 15: 06 New
                    +2
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Not us, but YOU bought as those very ...

                    Well, and you, as an ideological communist, "got under arms" and defended Soviet power to the end!
                2. silver169
                  silver169 6 November 2017 15: 21 New
                  +1
                  So it wasn’t! Yes and no, if people still prefer Adidas and Nike.
                  1. seal78
                    seal78 7 November 2017 23: 41 New
                    +2
                    I don’t know who prefers them there. Adidas and Nike have long turned into Chinese shit, for which for some reason they require space money, like for the real ones.
                3. a.sirin
                  a.sirin 6 November 2017 19: 10 New
                  +2
                  "Didn't we have talented designers,"
                  - no, it was not. The thing is that a talented designer (that is, a person whose specialty is the formation and creation of an attractive external image of a product) cannot be “born” (as a specialist) in the gray, miserable monotonous everyday life of Owls. Union.
                  Well, it didn’t work out in any way, and when some particularly talented people appeared, they quickly either found themselves in the West, or stopped creatively by themselves.
                  Separate, very punchy guys did something, but overall there was no chance.
                  It is impossible to come up with Notre Dame Cathedral somewhere in Africa, by no means. You’ll do something of your own, but it will not be a work of claim., But "exotic."
                  There were many attempts to “make life beautiful”, but if the country has a goal that is not real, that is, Now, improving the quality of life of people, and some projects of a "bright future", nothing will work
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 6 November 2017 19: 19 New
                    +7
                    Quote: a.sirin
                    no, it was not.

                    Lord in a lie then ...
                    What's this?
                    http://ussrlife.blogspot.ru/2013/11/blog-post_24.
                    html
                    It
                    https://kak2z.ru/index.php?topic=283048.0
                    Quote: a.sirin
                    There were many attempts to “make life beautiful”, but if the country has a goal that is not real, that is, Now, improving the quality of life of people, and some projects of a "bright future", nothing will work

                    Is it with you?
                    What is the "bright future" of the liberals, a village with a bathhouse and Fenka and Manka in a bathhouse while Vanka is in the field? To steal a couple of millions to London? That is your whole "dream"
                    In general, you are from the population an "ordinary consumer" - but in such, you never succeeded in anything elevated and suitable.
                    1. a.sirin
                      a.sirin 7 November 2017 17: 32 New
                      +1
                      That's just it for me. Because I work for myself, and not for the idea of ​​a "bright future". Life is now. And your links - the first one I didn’t understand at all - only say that there were really talented people in the USSR. However, they lived in the ugly "Khrushchev" and put on "Skorokhod".
                  2. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 7 November 2017 14: 07 New
                    +3
                    Quote: a.sirin
                    - no, it was not. The thing is that a talented designer (that is, a person whose specialty is the formation and creation of an attractive external image of a product) cannot be “born” (as a specialist) in the gray, miserable monotonous everyday life of Owls. Union.

                    Design delights are DEMANDED only if there is a lot of free time and a certain amount of money. Until the 70s, the USSR was simply forced to build, fight, restore the destroyed. Designer things began to appear in the late USSR, though even then they were not in demand by wide sections of society. I think for 30 years everything would fall into place ... but then Gorbachev and Yeltsin came ... now for another 30 years, designer things will not be in demand by everyone.
                    Although you apparently go to work exclusively in a tuxedo, and your wife in an evening dress from Dolce Gabana.
                    1. a.sirin
                      a.sirin 7 November 2017 17: 35 New
                      +2
                      No, not right! You can make cheap, affordable things comfortable and beautiful. "Search" is important for understanding the limits of integrating the form of things into people's lives. this is an important part of finding a combination of form and content.
                      So then you wrote everything in essence, but only neglecting the readiness to scold any "not your point of view is strange
                      1. E_V_N
                        E_V_N 9 November 2017 09: 48 New
                        +2
                        Quote: a.sirin
                        No, not right! You can make cheap, affordable things comfortable and beautiful. "Search" is important for understanding the limits of integrating the form of things into people's lives. this is an important part of finding a combination of form and content.
                        So then you wrote everything in essence, but only neglecting the readiness to scold any "not your point of view is strange

                        Yes, they ask the “artist” what you painted - a girl with a flower ...- and where is the girl and the flower, here is just a blue blot ...- but I see so ..
                        From this area, your delights in seeking "the limits of integrating the form of things into people's lives"? Take a look at Zverev, the “famous designer”, for me, so it’s not possible to look at him without tears, and you probably like his “work”. Or an “embedded fashion” for ripped jeans, when girls and boys have anything sticking out of holes ... what is the utility and beauty of these limits of integration into life?

                        Well ... I didn’t scold someone else’s point of view, I just expressed my own, but you, apparently, perceive any disagreement with you as an insult.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 6 November 2017 13: 08 New
              +3
              Interestingly, for seventeen (!) Years of existence, at least one of those present made at least one DONATION in "Charitable Public Organization for the Preservation of the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin"? recourse lol
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 6 November 2017 20: 22 New
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                Interestingly, for seventeen (!) Years of existence, at least one of those present made at least one DONATION in "Charitable Public Organization for the Preservation of the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin"? recourse lol

                Помнится Остап Бендер тоже взимал плату <<С целью ремонта Провала. — Чтобы не слишком проваливался!>>
                And on the topic of "fund", here:
                http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1224658.html
            3. badens1111
              badens1111 6 November 2017 14: 03 New
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              Quote: EwgenyZ
              https://unixone.ru/?p=1270

              This is not sedition, these are facts. Do you have anything to say against it?
              You seem to have no idea what materialism is, reducing everything to consumerism.
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              then followed a logical ending - the collapse of the country. The USSR was destroyed not by the “traitor Gorbachev” and “Alkasheltsin”

              Lie.
              http://cprfspb.ru/6022.html Этот страшный и ужасный «советский дефицит»… В камментах есть воспоминания/ссылки на репортажи Невзорова «600 секунд» о специально порченных продуктах, зарываемых на свалках. (Свалки мяса, колбасы). http://www.kprf.org/showthread.php?t=15260
              Yuri Prokofiev, in 1989-1991. - I-secretary of the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU: “There is a document: Popov’s speech at the Interregional Deputy Group, where he said that it is necessary to create such a situation with food so that the products are issued by coupons. So that this arouses indignation of the workers and their actions against the Soviet regime. ” And quite clearly: in the summer of 91, trains on the access roads to Moscow were full of butter, cheese, meat, and refrigerated trucks were not allowed into Moscow. But then economic power was no longer in the hands of party organizations. ”
              Well, Gavrila Popov, as the ideologist of the deficit still smokes air, although it would be worth using the Criminal Code for his affairs.
              Read, he already understood what he was writing and how everything happened.
              Poltoranin M.N. “Power in TNT equivalent. The legacy of Tsar Boris. " M .: Eksmo: Algorithm, 2011.S. 71). http://www.e-reading.ws/chapter.php/1006208/14/Po
              ltoranin _-_ Vlast_v_trotilovom_ekvivalente._Nasled
              ie_carya_Borisa.html -data pages of this book Poltoranin.
              1. EwgenyZ
                EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 14: 31 New
                +6
                Quote: badens1111
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                https://unixone.ru/?p=1270

                This is not sedition, these are facts. Do you have anything to say against it?

                Maybe you forgot about the relationship of the Soviets and Ilyin? At the time of the blessed Soviet power, article 70 would have "shone" for such links.

                Quote: badens1111
                Lie.

                Yeah, nonsense. That philistine ideology, which was cultivated under Leonid Ilyich, gave its “berries” in the late 80s. People hung out at video shows and looked at "that life abroad." And here came kirdyk "the power of the peasants and workers." When they saw that the Zhiguli car was not the ultimate dream, but an outdated copy of the Fiat the day before yesterday, when they saw that you can live not in a “smart three-ruble note”, but in a separate comfortable house with a garage and a swimming pool, when your eyes were run up from abundance in “their grocery stores” , and on our shelves there was a hodgepodge and baby food. After all the stories about the poor in the New York subway, people saw another life, sparkling and abundant. And it didn’t care that cinema and life were two big differences. People wanted to go to where there are forty varieties of sausages (how did we know then that there is 1% meat), where is the eternal Oktoberfest with 100 beers, where the streets sparkle at night like in a fairy tale. What was difficult for the Soviet Government to do something like this here, so that the people would not dream of a “rotting West”?
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 6 November 2017 19: 22 New
                  +4
                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  Maybe you forgot about the relationship of the Soviets and Ilyin? At the time of the blessed Soviet power, article 70 would have "shone" for such links.

                  Good to lie.
                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  What was difficult for the Soviet Government to do something like this here, so that the people would not dream of a “rotting West”?

                  No, it’s not difficult, you didn’t want to, but you rushed for a hundred varieties, let's say, not meat sausages, low-quality beer and alcohol Royal and consumer goods. So, what’s there with you?
              2. Tsoy
                Tsoy 6 November 2017 16: 14 New
                +7
                Quote: badens1111
                This terrible and terrible “Soviet shortage” ... There are memoirs / links to Nevzorov's “600 seconds” reports about specially damaged products buried in dumps. (Meat dumps, sausages).


                I remember the transfer of cigarettes. The store is not, and in warehouses, whole heaps of finished goods were sent to the garbage.
            4. E_V_N
              E_V_N 6 November 2017 20: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              Well, actually, materialism is one of the pillars of communism. I am wrong?


              Of course they are not right, communism is a political and economic formation, and materialism is the antipode of religiosity. What is the relationship between economics and religion? Do you personally go to church OR do you believe in God?
        2. iouris
          iouris 6 November 2017 22: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          If materialism and consumer society will prevail in Russia

          Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs, but materialism with the vulgar pursuit of scarcity.
          Let me remind you the basics. The main question of philosophy is what is primary: spirit or matter. Depending on the answer to this question, philosophers of materialists and philosophers of idealists are distinguished. Philosophers divided into materialists and idealists already in Dr. Greece.
          There has never been and never will be a consumer society in our country, because a consumer society is an exclusively North American phenomenon based on government regulation of private business. Cargo civilization has been created and is developing in the Russian Federation. We do not know how it works and how it works, but we pretend that we are doing the same.
          So your fears are groundless.
      4. tractor driver
        tractor driver 6 November 2017 12: 10 New
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        Lenin was a great joker. He came to power, promising the peasants land. But they never saw her ... But the peasants were also big jokers. Therefore, Lenin still does not see the earth ...
        1. kaban7
          kaban7 6 November 2017 12: 29 New
          +2
          Cruel ... but true!
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 6 November 2017 14: 21 New
            +8
            Absolutely stupid.
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 6 November 2017 12: 48 New
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          You just don’t trash me comrade Lenin! I am for such talk!
          Bear in mind, Nekrasov, I was a comrade, and now demoted to the rank-and-file because I am a bastard - a military specialist, a colonel who had flicked this hand with his own hand.
          So my eye on the enemies of the revolution is very keen.
          Understand what I'm telling you!
          1. stas-xnumx
            stas-xnumx 7 November 2017 11: 37 New
            +1
            Great movie))) Classic.
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 6 November 2017 13: 15 New
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          came to power, promising
          Does everyone remember what the Yeltsin-Putin promised us? For example, the struggle with privileges. Now there are no privileges, but some have permissiveness. And nobody promised us capitalism, so socialism with a market face. It turned out not socialism, nor the market.
        4. E_V_N
          E_V_N 6 November 2017 20: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: tractor driver
          Lenin was a great joker. He came to power, promising the peasants land. But they never saw her ... But the peasants were also big jokers. Therefore, Lenin still does not see the earth ...

          Funny but not true. The first decree of the Soviet Government in 1917 was the Leninist decree on land. transferring all landowner land to peasants.
        5. stas
          stas 6 November 2017 20: 53 New
          +2
          Tractor driver, where did you learn to joke so swagger, to see the true liberal from the cradle and from the baby pot on anti-Sovietism?
          You should jump on the Maidan just a goat.
          Or you have already returned from there.
        6. Manul
          Manul 8 November 2017 03: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: tractor driver
          Lenin was a great joker. He came to power, promising the peasants land. But they never saw her ... But the peasants were also big jokers. Therefore, Lenin still does not see the earth ...

          Have you earned a lot of advantages? "Congratulations" ... The fact that there are no cons right now is not the decision of the site administration. I’m sure of that. Because you would choke on your phrase when you see the number of cons. So, "enjoy." You are the troll of modern power and the bourgeois blessed you. And "for the idea." Oh, these students.
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        1. badens1111
          badens1111 7 November 2017 18: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Sharapov
          I have not read such nonsense for a long time ..
          Obscurantist

          Well, you then showed how much more obscurantism and delirium in a completely empty comment. You did not try to learn?
        2. Andrew67
          Andrew67 8 November 2017 01: 26 New
          +2
          [b] [/ b] The man did not break up the Russian Empire (Tsarist), but took power from Nepoymichy led by the Provisional Government (Kerensky). But it's still a bit different things, don’t you?
        3. Manul
          Manul 8 November 2017 03: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Sharapov
          Man made Maidan in 1917, destroyed the largest empire

          Before you take such a nickname, go learn the textbooks. Already all overthrown a couple of times before, ignoramus.
          1. Sharapov
            Sharapov 8 November 2017 06: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Manul
            Already all overthrown a couple of times before, ignoramus.

            I will answer the socialist utopians that history is on my side:
            1. Kerensky- yes, he was "temporary", but at least he did not start a fratricidal civil war, the result of which was a complete collapse of industry and 5-6 million corpses of Russians.
            2. And it would not have occurred to Kerensky or anyone else to conclude the Brest Peace by giving away territories, paying trains of gold and other good to the Germans.
            3. But about the “masterpiece” decrees on land, etc.- on paper the land is for the peasants, but in reality all private traders (now farmers) are dispossessed, and the poor half-starved peasants are forced to work for sticks (that is, almost for free) on the collective farm field. And call it all a great achievement .....
            To crank this up is a great talent. Until now, the people, as I look, have powdered brains.
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N 9 November 2017 10: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Sharapov
              Quote: Manul
              Already all overthrown a couple of times before, ignoramus.

              I will answer the socialist utopians that history is on my side:
              1. Kerensky- yes, he was "temporary", but at least he did not start a fratricidal civil war, the result of which was a complete collapse of industry and 5-6 million corpses of Russians.
              2. And it would not have occurred to Kerensky or anyone else to conclude the Brest Peace by giving away territories, paying trains of gold and other good to the Germans.
              3. But about the “masterpiece” decrees on land, etc.- on paper the land is for the peasants, but in reality all private traders (now farmers) are dispossessed, and the poor half-starved peasants are forced to work for sticks (that is, almost for free) on the collective farm field. And call it all a great achievement .....
              To crank this up is a great talent. Until now, the people, as I look, have powdered brains.

              Sharapov, you are wandering.
              1. But what about Kerensky’s slogan “War to a victorious end”? I understand everything, the Patriotic War, the Germans attacked the Motherland, but the First World War for us, what side? Nobody attacked RI, Nikolai himself climbed in due to the murder of some Crown Prince alien to the Russians, by the way, from 1914 to 1917 almost 4 million people died on the fronts, don’t understand why. But now, Nicholas is already the Holy Bearer.
              2. Well, you give, but nothing that the army was already gone, the front fell apart, no one wanted to fight, a civil war began. Yes, the Brest peace was shameful, had it not been concluded, the Germans would have simply marched to St. Petersburg and Moscow without encountering any organized resistance. Well, Lenin didn’t start the Civil War, it’s dissatisfied that the Soviets came to power, started armed resistance. The Soviet Government and Lenin had absolutely nothing to do with the civil war.
              3. Have you even managed to learn numbers at school ?. The "Decree about the Earth" was published in 1917, and the formation of collective farms began in 1933, Lenin was dead for 9 years. The land decree really passed the land of the landowners to the peasants, the problem is that after the First World War and the Civil, this land was essentially no one to cultivate. For 9 years of a continuous war, agricultural tools remained. They began to build tractor factories, and tractors on peasant shreds could not turn around.
              And in other matters to whom I explain this, you still do not want to know the truth, since it does not fit into your virtual reality.
              1. Sharapov
                Sharapov 9 November 2017 18: 47 New
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                Quote: E_V_N
                "Decree of the Earth" was published in 1917

                I will repeat once again to a member of the Utopian socialists that the vaunted decrees cost less paper on which they were printed, since the publisher who issued them immediately after the decrees sent a surplus appraisal and tax in the village, which were collected by armed food detachments. And then he drove the peasants into collective farms, so that it was easier to seize everything. And it doesn’t matter at all when this happened under Lenin or Stalin. FREEDOM EQUALITY BROTHERHOOD!!! your slogans, utopians. and after their proclamation in 1917, a bloody squabble for power within the party begins - an armed uprising of the SRs, then the Mensheviks, Trotskyists, Zinovievites ...... In short, a complete social-utopian democracy. Well, in the 30s - the heyday of freedom of speech and free thought ...
                Enchantingly wrote TOVARISCH about the tractor. .
                Quote: E_V_N
                They began to build tractor factories, and tractors on peasant shreds could not turn around.
                need to add. that soon there were no peasant allotments at all - they called all the individual farmers with fists and sent them to the far end. Tractors appeared. only in the fields of communes, as in the song "everything around is collective-farm - everything around is mine."
                Before the revolution, Russia fed half the world bread without tractors, and under TARVARISCH with tractors, famine claimed millions of lives.
                Well, as for the First World War - so history says that Nikolai did the right thing by joining the war as part of the Entente. separately, the Fritzes and their allies would have done everything in 1-2 years. And they don’t need to look for an excuse for war at all - ask Stalin how he put on his pants in June of the 41st, hoping that there would be no war, and what the USSR was worth.
                1. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 10 November 2017 11: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Sharapov

                  I will repeat once again to a member of the Utopian socialists that the vaunted decrees cost less paper on which they were printed, since the one who issued them immediately after the decrees sent a surplus appraisal and a tax in the village, which were collected by armed food detachments. And then he drove the peasants into collective farms, so that it was easier to seize everything. And it doesn’t matter at all when this happened under Lenin or Stalin. FREEDOM EQUALITY BROTHERHOOD!!! your slogans, utopians


                  Sharapov, when you distort the words, do you think this is a funny, smart or powerful argument?
                  And you yourself for whom, well, you hate the USSR, you need to understand the current aligarchic market is the limit of your dreams? Have you lived in the USSR yourself, or do you know from “smart” books about “horrors”?
                  You put the dates before the events that you list, you may understand that the sequence of events does not grow together with you. "immediately after the decrees he sent a surplus appraisal and a tax deductible to the village, which were collected by armed food detachments." What surplus appraisal in 1917 and even 1918, what are you talking about? By the way, "surplus-appraisal and" tax-deductible "are mutually exclusive concepts, the surplus-appraisal has been replaced by the tax deductible and never existed together. Do you have any idea what events you are trying to discuss?
                  Quote: Sharapov
                  need to add. that soon there were no peasant allotments at all - they called all the individual farmers with fists and sent them to the far end. Tractors appeared. only in the fields of communes

                  If there were no peasant allotments left, then what lands were united into collective farms? What again, just to blurt out?
                  And where should the tractor appear, on shreds of private traders? Do you plow your garden beds at the dacha, and harvest the harvest with a combine?

                  Quote: Sharapov
                  Before the revolution, Russia fed half the world bread without tractors, and under TARVARISCH with tractors, famine claimed millions of lives.

                  Do you think the landless peasants before the revolution sold bread abroad, or did the merchants go around the yards and buy a bag of grain from the yard? Bread was sold from large landowners' lands, on which landowners did not work, but at first serfs, later landless laborers. In essence, landowners' lands were the same "collective farms" only in the private hands of landowners. As in the rest of modern Russia.

                  Quote: Sharapov
                  Well, as for the First World War - so history says that Nikolai did the right thing by joining the war as part of the Entente. separately, the Fritzes and their allies would have done everything in 1-2 years. And they don’t need to look for an excuse for war at all - ask Stalin how he put on his pants in June of the 41st, hoping that there would be no war, and what the USSR was worth.

                  What such a story says that Nikolai did the right thing? There is no subjunctive mood in history, if only yes. If Nikolay hadn’t got into World War I, hadn’t killed millions of Russian lives, there would have been no revolution in 1917. The story would have been completely different. Well, about the "Fritzes and their allies would have done everything in 1-2 years." the grandmother said in two, in 1920 the Entente, along with the Germans, Turks and whites, could not devote Soviet power and in 1941 the united Hitler Europe could not defeat the USSR.
                  Sharapov, study history, otherwise your statements are more like first-grader compositions.
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                2. your1970
                  your1970 10 November 2017 16: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Sharapov
                  Once again I will repeat to a member of the Utopian socialists that decrees vaunted cost less paper on which they were printed, since they were published right after sent for decrees to the village surplus-appraisal and the tax deductible, which were collected by armed food detachments.
                  - But nothing that the surplus was introduced ....December 2, 1916 !!!!!!.Tsar -batyushka was still in place and did not renounce anything, and there was another year before the decrees- and the surplus-appraisal was already ...
                  Complete nonsense fool fool hungover !!!!
                  1. Sharapov
                    Sharapov 11 November 2017 07: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: your1970
                    . December 2, 1916 !!!!!!. The tsar-priest was still there and did not renounce anything, and there was another year before the decrees, and the surplus-surplus was already ...

                    I’m not even going to argue, I’ll only add that before the Utopians this was a form of government procurement of food from the population by the state at quite reasonable prices, and the Utopians began to seize food at the sight of armed food detachments, giving in exchange peasants worthless pieces of paper. There is almost no difference, I agree, because the helm of the country was utopianism ..
                    The surplus apportionment became part of a complex of measures known as the policy of "war communism." In the procurement campaign of the 1919-20 business year, the surplus spread also spread to potatoes and meat, and by the end of 1920 - almost all agricultural products.

                    The methods used during harvesting during the food dictatorship caused an increase in peasant discontent, which turned into armed action by the peasants. On March 21, 1921, the surplus appraisal was replaced by a tax deductible, which was the main measure of the transition to the NEP policy.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 11 November 2017 17: 52 New
                      0
                      Quote: Sharapov
                      giving in exchange peasants worthless pieces of paper.

                      - That's right, after the Provisional Government came to power, it was precisely these worthless pieces of paper ("kerenki") that they sucked into the peasants all summer and autumn of 1917. By October, massive grain purchases had long been made ....
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 9 November 2017 19: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: E_V_N
                but nothing that the army was already gone, the front fell apart, no one wanted to fight

                That's for this and thanks to Kerensky, who completely ruined the state apparatus in general and the army in particular.
    2. stas
      stas 6 November 2017 11: 29 New
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      It is clear to everyone who wants this, because Kadyrov is a loyal infantryman of the Tsar. And the Tsar greatly respected the father of Sobchak and baptized Ksyusha.
      The tsar feels the opinion of the people and drapes a mausoleum on the 9 of May, although it is indicated on the banner of Victory - For our Soviet Motherland.
      And the king is building a capitalist paradise with his own face.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 6 November 2017 12: 14 New
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        Quote: stas
        with your face.

        And his face, in my opinion, is ugly laughing
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 6 November 2017 12: 01 New
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      1. Every soldier in Putin has his own role !! laughing
      2. While VI Lenin is in the mausoleum in full view, justice and hope are hovering in the Russian world.
      3. V. And Lenin in the mausoleum does not let the new Russians sleep peacefully: - oligarchs and other pop-ups
      4. Talk about the removal of Ilyich’s body and the controversy surrounding this is a distraction of the people from more significant problems.
      1. stas
        stas 6 November 2017 13: 14 New
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        Lenin and Stalin are taller than the Tsar, and this is what makes him nervous. And he was a communist to get to the Office, now the very first capitalist.
        These clerks did not defend our Soviet Motherland, and capitalist Russia is a paradise for them, and not for the people.
        The king has been cunning for a long time.
        1. dSK
          dSK 6 November 2017 13: 59 New
          +7
          Quote: Olgovich
          Interestingly, for seventeen (!) Years of existence, at least one of those present contributed at least one DONATION to the "Charitable Public Organization for the Preservation of the Lenin Mausoleum"?

          Communism is also a "religion", idolaters; take an example from other faiths - keep your mummy at your own expense!
          1. stas
            stas 6 November 2017 14: 31 New
            +9
            dsk, we do not want to contain the fatlique mummies of capitalism in the Kremlin, at our own expense.
            And the people donate a lot of money to the mausoleum.
            Ask anyone who is now in Russia an idol who is sculpted on TV. The answer is known.
            So, the King and United Russia is not the conscience and honor of our people.
            And capitalism is not our bright future. But does the King have his own plans?
            Therefore, the Tsar is afraid to hold a referendum on the future of Russia and is silent about his plans.
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 6 November 2017 15: 07 New
              +5
              Why Sobchak, Poklonskaya and Kadyrov want to bury Lenin
              from "nothing to do" ...
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 6 November 2017 19: 59 New
            +3
            and why then do ebn be kept at the state’s expense? the man who killed the country's economy with you New Liberans is held in high esteem? and thanks to the Great Lenin, a great country has been built that you still use.
      2. tracer
        tracer 6 November 2017 15: 04 New
        0
        Nobody distracts anything. You don’t read shit.
    4. Stepan Kudinov
      Stepan Kudinov 7 November 2017 10: 15 New
      0
      They have no numbers: the Jewish liberals of our country and those who are beyond its borders are shorter than the descendants of all those who survived the extermination of the fifth column in 1937. As an example, this is sent to us for the continuation of the crazy dill "idea" - to get rid of VI Lenin Crimean prosecutor, who is more dill than the roller.
    5. Baloo
      Baloo 8 November 2017 12: 59 New
      +2
      mavrus [quote] Well, here Poklonskaya and Kadyrov in one connection with Sobchachki and maydaunami were ... I wonder who else wants ... [/ quote]
      [/ Quote]
      [quote] Ramzan Kadyrov: “I am personally convinced that it is enough to stare at the corpse of Lenin. And it’s high time to bury the leader of the revolution — it’s both rational and human. [/ Quote]

      Kadyrov is right. The body of Lenin is a symbol of the political era that has gone forever.
      It is strange that no one is interested in the opinions of the descendants of the Ulyanov family, their word should be decisive.
    6. w70
      w70 10 November 2017 07: 08 New
      0
      They put Lenin in the mausoleum in order to revive under communism. Well, now it’s clear that this is stupid, so you have to bury the old man
    7. ROM1077
      ROM1077 12 November 2017 09: 42 New
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      I, too, why do we need corpses in the center of the capital? corpse worship is already black magic
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 November 2017 09: 54 New
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    It’s clear that the fight will be scary. The enemy does not want to give Russia the future. And we are not going to ask him about it. And even more so Poklonskaya and Sobchak. Yes, and Ramzan ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 November 2017 10: 07 New
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      And we are not going to ask him about it. And even more so Poklonskaya and Sobchak. Yes, and Ramzan ...
      This is the infantry. At the head of this army are completely different.
    2. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 6 November 2017 20: 33 New
      +9
      This whole story with the burial is on a par with Gorbachev's betrayal and the collapse of the country. It all began in 1991 at the Extraordinary Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR. Gorbachev gave the floor to deputy A. Sobchak. Quote:
      “Dear President, dear Congress! I propose that we finish our work with dignity by making the following decision: to fulfill the last will of Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov Lenin, burying him in accordance with the religious and national customs of our people and in accordance with his will and with all appropriate honors at the Volkov Cemetery in Leningrad. "
      The fact that such a will has long been recognized by all known historians as fake, Mr. Lawyer did not bother to mention. All this was broadcast. After that, the Kremlin and the Supreme Soviet of the USSR were flooded with telegrams and letters of protest. Here are some of them published:
      “Urgent. Moscow, the commandant of the Mausoleum, Vladimir Kamenny. Shoot in the place of anyone who thinks of touching the body of Lenin for reburial. Anatoly Sobchak will die a painful death. All the same, Sobchak must be buried in a Christian way. Tolstoy. Kaliningrad ".
      "Moscow. The headquarters of the defense of the Mausoleum and the Museum of Lenin. Count us three in your chain of defense of the Mausoleum and the Lenin Museum. Kundyukov family. Murmansk ".
      “On the banners of the guards, a portrait of Lenin, with his name we went into battle and won, although all of Europe came to us. I, an old soldier, say: hands off Lenin! B. D. Shachin, Chusovoy, Perm Region. ”
      “I ask you to defend the watch for me in the chain to protect the Lenin Mausoleum. Milan Nikolic, Krashevac, Yugoslavia. "
      Further attempts to bury Lenin were very many. Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Moscow Mayor Gabriel Popov spoke for this. The most significant attempt was made by Yeltsin in the year 1997. However, on 17 of March 1997 of the year, the State Duma adopted a Statement "regarding the statements of the President of the Russian Federation B.N. Yeltsin on the reburial of V.I. Lenin." Quote:
      “The arguments about the appropriateness of the reburial of V.I. Lenin are outright unlawful vandalism, the arguments are devoid of historical, legal, moral and aesthetic validity. They pursue political goals - to distract the attention of Russian citizens from the economic, social, spiritual problems that our Russian society is in pain ... There is a political bias in the statements of the President. They reflect the intention of some influential circles to re-orient the history of Russia, to erase from the people's memory everything that is connected with its Soviet period, its relics, monuments and shrines. ”
      Did not work out. Hitler, Sobchak, Gorbachev, Yeltsin. And now it will not work.
      1. iouris
        iouris 6 November 2017 23: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Reserve officer
        And now it will not work.

        Unfortunately, it will work out now. For this, our Moses has been driving us through the desert for forty years already.
      2. Andrew67
        Andrew67 8 November 2017 01: 43 New
        +1
        Neither King, nor matchmaker, nor brother. Only Veche, tobish people’s referendum (my opinion) has the right to decide whether or not the body of V.I. Lenin is buried. All a happy holiday
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    1. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 6 November 2017 10: 45 New
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      Rare nonsense

      No, this nonsense is not rare. Usually here is all about “superethnos”, “special role and mission”, etc.

      and then don’t have to laugh at the Ukrainians about their idiocy with the ancient Ukrainians - can it be contagious?
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 6 November 2017 11: 43 New
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        Quote: vlad_vlad
        then don’t have to laugh at the Ukrainians about their idiocy with the ancient Ukrainians - can it be contagious?

        Infectious, you likened to ancient ukras along with
        Quote: Captain Nemo
        Under the long-overdue issue of the burial of the gutted mummy of a syphilitic executioner, the theory of the restoration of the monarchy and the emergence of a new nobility were brought.

        The best minds of the country, for example K. Shakhnazarov, V. Bortko, V. Tretyakov, do not carry such nonsense, but all sorts of Ksyusha, Nyusha and other sandizas with Brewers and Sytins persistently repeat it.
        1. Captain Nemo
          Captain Nemo 6 November 2017 19: 53 New
          +3
          And what do you disagree with? With a medical diagnosis of V.I. Leniya, with the fact that his mummy was gutted or that he was an executioner?
          1. wax
            wax 6 November 2017 22: 23 New
            0
            You would have been the place of the Attorney General at the 1937 trials. IMHO.
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N 6 November 2017 20: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: vlad_vlad
        Rare nonsense

        No, this nonsense is not rare. Usually here is all about “superethnos”, “special role and mission”, etc.

        and then don’t have to laugh at the Ukrainians about their idiocy with the ancient Ukrainians - can it be contagious?

        Well, they certainly know better than those who live in Germany; they have written and taught the history of Russia since the time of Perth I and the history of Russia. The Germans know better who on earth is Super, and who walked like that
        1. vlad_vlad
          vlad_vlad 7 November 2017 15: 04 New
          +1
          that is, in fact, you agree with me - you are confused what UTB German tells you?

          well, do not want to learn - you will be unlearned.
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 9 November 2017 10: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: vlad_vlad
            that is, in fact, you agree with me - you are confused what UTB German tells you?

            well, do not want to learn - you will be unlearned.

            No, what exactly the German says doesn’t bother me, it bothers me that it’s the foreigners who have been trying to betray the truth for 300 years, trying to prove that the Russians are nothing but “barbarians”. For 300 years, they have been carrying civilization to the Russians with fire and sword, and these "ungrateful" Russians kick home civilizators. They just didn’t come up with it, and Rurik turned out to be a Scandinavian, and the Russian Mongols turned into Tatars and the horde.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 6 November 2017 11: 15 New
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      Quote: Captain Nemo
      Under the long-overdue issue of the burial of the gutted mummy of a syphilitic executioner, the theory of the restoration of the monarchy and the emergence of a new nobility were brought. Rare nonsense

      Bullshit is your koment!
      1. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 6 November 2017 19: 54 New
        +2
        Выход => там
      2. Manul
        Manul 8 November 2017 04: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        Bullshit is your koment!

        Man, thanks for the video! It’s very useful for me to fight with bodies that think they are enlightened by the bright idea of ​​a better life, but in fact the same ones who threw bombs under the feet of the kings, shouted — Anarchy was the mother of order, and they became Makhnovists — it makes no difference. Brains zero - just give "freedom." Only neither by sleep nor by spirit - in what is it.
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    4. 18rus
      18rus 6 November 2017 12: 31 New
      +5
      A typical person who knows neither the clan nor the tribe, has absorbed the anti-Soviet tales of Solzhenitsyn and Svanidze.
      1. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 6 November 2017 19: 56 New
        +2
        I know my great-great-grandfather, and you?
        1. Manul
          Manul 8 November 2017 04: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Captain Nemo
          I know my great-great-grandfather, and you?

          We heard about the way out - we can indicate it ourselves. Your answer is not registered. We are waiting for arguments, or look for yourself - where is the door. Arguments Read the VO archives. Much has already been discussed here. Want like-minded people - this is not here.
        2. 18rus
          18rus 8 November 2017 20: 28 New
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          You understood me too literally.
    5. Bechtin
      Bechtin 6 November 2017 13: 14 New
      +9
      Here is what A. Tolstoy wrote about the nobility - "the Russian wild, illiterate, reeked of vodka and dogs, the nobility, not knowing how to store neither Zeel, nor honor, nor the splendor of names .."
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 November 2017 09: 58 New
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    And who knows that in the center of the country, in the center of Moscow, in the Kremlin, the corpses of kings still lie? Archangel Cathedral, Necropolis of the Archangel Cathedral.
    1. SERGUS
      SERGUS 6 November 2017 10: 28 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      And who knows that in the center of the country, in the center of Moscow, in the Kremlin, the corpses of kings still lie?

      And how many relics in the temples, all this, too, according to the logic of Sobchak and Co., must be buried?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 6 November 2017 10: 31 New
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        [quote] [is this all according to the logic of Sobchak and Co. it is necessary to bury? / quote] Either dig ALL, no one will agree. Then do not touch, everyone has their saints. Under Nicholas, 2 people died no less than under Stalin, but for these saints ...
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 6 November 2017 11: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          .Nikolay 2 people died no less than under Stalin, but for these saints ...

          Falling ..... belay fool request
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 6 November 2017 11: 43 New
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            A set of emoticons demonstrates your intelligence?
        2. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 12: 23 New
          +5
          Quote: Gardamir
          Under Nicholas, 2 people died no less than under Stalin, but for these saints ...

          Can you link? And then somehow it turns out unfounded ... And all sorts of bad thoughts go into your head about your evidence base. Take the example with "badens1111".
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 6 November 2017 12: 32 New
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            Quote: EwgenyZ
            Can you link? And then somehow it turns out unfounded ... And all sorts of bad thoughts go into your head about your evidence base.

            Drive your thoughts from your head yes
            1890s famine this time
            Russian-Japanese war-2.
            Revolution of 1905-eta-3
            Imperialist war-this 4
            Lena events and the Bloody Resurrection (here I am summarizing the many, many victims of the tsarist regime) -5
            Well, Khodynka on the little things! yes
            Google and a calculator to help)))))
            1. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 13: 16 New
              +6

              Sling cutter:
              1890s famine this time
              Russian-Japanese war-2.
              Revolution of 1905-eta-3
              Imperialist war-this 4
              Lena events and the Bloody Resurrection (here I am summarizing the many, many victims of the tsarist regime) -5
              Well, Khodynka on the little things!


              Those. personal conclusions. I understood you. I, too, can "throw" you about 60 million killed by Stalin (by the way, I don’t believe in this nonsense), and in the terminal I wish Google to help.
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 6 November 2017 20: 32 New
                +5
                Quote: EwgenyZ


                Those. personal conclusions. I understood you. I, too, can "throw" you about 60 million killed by Stalin (by the way, I don’t believe in this nonsense), and in the terminal I wish Google to help.

                You need to understand about all these events for the first time you hear, if you make such big eyes?
                Let’s even take the fact that in 1914 no one attacked or even intended to, Russia, Nicholas II climbed into a global mess and, as a result, several million people who died in the First World War and another tens of millions who died in the revolution and civil war. And do not twist it all on the conscience of the "saint" Nicholas II.
              2. Manul
                Manul 8 November 2017 04: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                Those. personal conclusions. I understood you. I, too, can "throw" you about 60 million killed by Stalin (by the way, I don’t believe in this nonsense), and in the terminal I wish Google to help.

                But no one told you that all historians will sign it to you. We have literate conclusions here, in fact, are held in high esteem. And just send it - you risk losing confidence in your arguments. They gave you information - you refused to provide it. So most likely you do not own ANY information and use EXCLUSIVELY YOUR inferences (like everything here, but it’s not accepted to send us this way. Justify, or free)
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 6 November 2017 13: 19 New
              +3
              Google and a calculator to help)))))
              all of the above and had in mind.
            3. vik669
              vik669 6 November 2017 14: 46 New
              +1
              Googal and a calculator to help - better than brains at least "chicken" and a mirror!
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 6 November 2017 13: 18 New
            +4
            Can you link?
            Yes please. You only vote for me, even in Magadan, wherever you say, I will send there.
            1. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 13: 24 New
              +6
              Quote: Gardamir
              Can you link?
              Yes please. You only vote for me, even in Magadan, wherever you say, I will send there.

              I understand that the faithful Leninist "will not get sick."
          3. weksha50
            weksha50 6 November 2017 20: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            Quote: Gardamir
            Under Nicholas, 2 people died no less than under Stalin, but for these saints ...
            Can you link? And then somehow unfounded ...


            Probably, he (Gardamir) had in mind the Russo-Japanese War, the 1st World War, and the 1905 revolution ...
            In general, I haven’t seen any special statistics anywhere (accumulated), but, if you wish, you can scrape "by gouges" ...
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 6 November 2017 15: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: SERGUS
        And how many relics in the temples, all this, too, according to the logic of Sobchak and Co., must be buried?

        And what to pray for them or something?
        Pieces of dead people!
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 6 November 2017 17: 00 New
          +7
          Quote: Setrac
          And what to pray for them or something?
          Pieces of dead people!

          In this case, why listen to you, you are just a set of molecules and atoms emitting sound waves with a frequency in the range of 85-155 Hz!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 6 November 2017 19: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: SERGUS
            In this case, why listen to you, you are just a set of molecules and atoms emitting sound waves with a frequency in the range of 85-155 Hz!

            Yes, you learn the basic principles of your own faith first!
            They were people while they lived, while they had a soul, and now these are just pieces of dead people, as you said - just a set of molecules and atoms.
            But you don’t need to listen to me, you need to think for yourself and understand, people need to be understood, and you will listen to mom and dad.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 6 November 2017 11: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      And who knows that in the center of the country, in the center of Moscow, in the Kremlin, the corpses of kings still lie? Archangel Cathedral, Necropolis of the Archangel Cathedral.

      So you Mausoleum-Cathedral?
      What religion?
      And then we do not know ...request
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 6 November 2017 13: 21 New
        10
        And then we are not in the know.
        What do you pay for trollism or so out of love for art? My religion SOCIALISM arranges?
        1. dSK
          dSK 6 November 2017 14: 15 New
          +4
          Take an example from other faiths - keep the mummy at your own expense!
          1. stas
            stas 6 November 2017 16: 23 New
            10
            dsk, well, you ate something completely, but for what money does the EBN Center contain where the liberals of Satan walk and the Tsar rewards him for "great merit" for the destruction of the Soviet Motherland.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 6 November 2017 16: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          And then we are not in the know.
          What do you pay for trollism or so out of love for art? My religion SOCIALISM arranges?

          Comrade, "Mausoleum = Church Council" - YOUR trolling wording. Forgot already?
          My question about the religion of this cult construction stems from it.
          Your answer is amazing!
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 6 November 2017 09: 58 New
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    The author should not interfere in one heap of Lenin-Blanca and Stalin, he set the topic himself — Lenin’s burial ... So leave Stalin alone and talk only about Lenin’s mummy! And if you ask all those who support the worship of a mummy in an Orthodox country in the same words that the author cited: "..Looking at a corpse in the center of the capital is at least inhumane and not humanly ...", "..It’s wrong that in the very heart of Russia, on Red Square, there is a coffin with a dead man ... "- did they say the truth? Or are we idolaters? What is the crime in Christian burial? After all, Jew Blank was baptized and married, so this is all right! Squealing about some kind of schism in connection with the burial, support Zionism, which its fellow tribesman put on Red Square and carefully guards! Something those moral deprived people who shout that the Russian Federation spends too much money on the Army and it would be better to give it to pensioners, state employees, etc. etc. they hypocritically keep quiet about those means (considerable, by the way, that have been allocated for this Zionist ritual for many decades! Well, for those who do not understand this, I want to wish - sit on, quietly with your noodles on your ears!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 6 November 2017 10: 42 New
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      Quote: Evrodav
      The author should not interfere in one heap of Lenin-Blanca and Stalin,

      Do not show your ignorance, you will look funny.
      And for yourself, remember that Lenin and Stalin left the same party and Stalin until his death was a Marxist-Leninist!
      And your Yakolev-Eltsin training manual no longer rolls! stop
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 6 November 2017 11: 47 New
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        Quote: Stroporez
        And your Yakolev-Eltsin training manual no longer rolls!

        As we see the lies of Yakovlev and others, some of the individuals who do not particularly bother themselves with the mental labor have an impact, the paradox is that all these crying about burial do not even know the RF Law on the form of burial.
        So the question of their cries is completely different, namely that hucksters of various kinds, criminals in the form of the existing oligarchy, even though it is in the shadows, understand the meaning of Lenin and are terribly afraid of even the dead, because behind him is an Idea that they fear.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 November 2017 12: 10 New
          15
          Quote: badens1111
          namely, that hucksters of various kinds, criminality in the form of the existing oligarchy, even though it is in the shadows, understands the meaning of Lenin and is terribly afraid of even the dead, because behind him is an Idea that they fear.

          You hit the nail on the head! The fact is that if it were hucksters, but these were hucksters with a Soviet education, Ilyich’s works were outlined and they knew for sure what threatened Lenin’s ideas with them.
          In the easy case, this is the construction of the national economy, and in an even better, green forehead. yes
    2. grin.obuhov203
      grin.obuhov203 6 November 2017 11: 44 New
      +7
      These funds are a penny, for the country, and you are either stupid, or one of those who managed to bite off the common fund in the 90s, which is even worse.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 November 2017 13: 23 New
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      , about those means (considerable, by the way, to

      1. wei
        wei 6 November 2017 14: 27 New
        +1
        All right! Cui podest malum? you don’t cut from the mausoleum laughing
    4. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 6 November 2017 16: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: Evrodav
      "..It is wrong that in the very heart of Russia, on Red Square, there is a coffin with a dead man ..." - they said that the truth was not? Or are we idolaters?

      Read the law on the burial of Lenin from the 1996 year. Zadolbali grave diggers are bad. Go to the dug bones, bow down, which they drag along the churches almost every year! There are no idolaters.
  6. Molot1979
    Molot1979 6 November 2017 09: 58 New
    15
    Poklonskaya and Sobchak are simply trying to replay the war, lost a hundred years ago. Why is it for Kadyrov - but who knows. He’s generally an unpredictable guy.
    And burying is stupid. Not even the kaayas that a significant part of the country does not want this, the mummy of Lenin brings a good income. The same Chinese Communists gladly go to bow to the ashes of Vladimir Ilyich. Along the way, leaving the yuan in the Russian treasury. So why deprive them of a reason to spend money on the territory of Russia once again? Money should be extracted from such things, and not be like stupid Ukrainians and Americans. which at home they demolish all historical monuments only because some black man feels offended.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 November 2017 10: 10 New
      +9
      Why is it for Kadyrov
      infantryman faithfully serves
    2. SERGUS
      SERGUS 6 November 2017 10: 32 New
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      Quote: Molot1979
      Why is it for Kadyrov

      But he has nothing to do, his poor unfortunate region sits on grants, he has no problems, and out of boredom he gives us his "brilliant" thoughts!
    3. creak
      creak 6 November 2017 10: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Molot1979
      The same Chinese Communists gladly go to bow to the ashes of Vladimir Ilyich. Along the way, leaving the yuan in the Russian treasury. So why deprive them of a reason to spend money on the territory of Russia once again? Money must be extracted from such things and not be like stupid Ukrainians and Ukrainians.

      They arrived ... Yeah, where did the Americans and Ukrainians go before Molota1979, even they hadn’t even thought of that before, they have bad imagination because they are stupid, and Molot1979 is "smart." Should you turn the mausoleum into an attraction in an amusement park?
      Indeed, stupidity is not a lack of mind, it is such a mind and in this case it is not about Americans and Ukrainians ... fool
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 6 November 2017 12: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Molot1979
      And burying is stupid. Lenin's mummy brings a good income.

      The costs are covered by the STATE in the amount of $ 2 million.
      transfer to the balance sheet of the Communist Party, and she herself .......
    5. kaban7
      kaban7 6 November 2017 12: 24 New
      0
      Interestingly, would you like such a deal yourself?
    6. Black sniper
      Black sniper 6 November 2017 12: 54 New
      +1
      Are you clinging to Kadyrov? This is his personal opinion to bury. The author stupidly stuck it on a par with these fools and you are being led. He is Muslim and has nothing to do with the topic of the article!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 6 November 2017 15: 13 New
        +7
        Quote: Black Sniper
        .He is a Muslim and has no relation to the topic of the article!

        and would be silent in a rag ...
      2. ty60
        ty60 6 November 2017 17: 10 New
        +1
        Kadyrov’s own goal is to bury the head of Imam Shamil from the St. Petersburg Museum.
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 6 November 2017 20: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Black Sniper
        He is a Muslim and has nothing to do with the topic of the article!


        Well, what is there to understand? He has his own interest - to pick up the head of Shamil and bury him ...
        And Lenin to him, like these two "Madame" - to a light bulb ...
  7. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 6 November 2017 10: 02 New
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    Leave already Lenin alone! am For most, Lenin is a man who tried to build a prosperous and just society and he did this not only for himself. And all lamentations about Christian customs are hypocrisy, we have a multi-confessional country, there are Muslims, Jews and Buddhists, as well as many atheists. The goal of all this raised hype is extremely simple: - Distract people from real problems. yes
    1. SERGUS
      SERGUS 6 November 2017 10: 55 New
      17
      Quote: Sergey-svs
      For most, Lenin is a man who tried to build a prosperous and just society and he did this not only for himself.

      Have you tried? Finance ministers are trying now! And he took and did! This man is really a genius! It is a pity that not all his followers and students were conscientious and true to his ideas ... As a result, now we have what we have sad
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 6 November 2017 11: 26 New
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        Only Stalin can be compared with him. And no one else. The rest are worms ...
      2. kaban7
        kaban7 6 November 2017 12: 21 New
        +1
        And when did this state flourish?
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 6 November 2017 15: 24 New
          +8
          Quote: kaban7
          And when did this state flourish?

          This state was so prosperous that its (state) wealth could not be dismissed even by such figures as Chubais with his position:
          Anatoly Chubais: “We did not collect money, but the destruction of communism. We knew that every factory sold was a nail in the lid of the coffin of communism. Expensive. Cheap. Free. With surcharge - this is all twentieth question.

          The internal enemy is the most dangerous, but even he failed to erase the achievements of that country! Our entire defense industry today is a groundwork for that state! In that state, when an ambulance came to a person badly, now if you live in a village you need to call a taxi! In that state, the whole country did not have to collect the girl Lisa for the operation so that she would not die! If chewing gum and jeans are more important to you than what I said above, you can continue to consider that the state did not flourish.
    2. kaban7
      kaban7 6 November 2017 12: 27 New
      +1
      ... and they all put people in mausoleums and mummify?
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 6 November 2017 15: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: kaban7
        ... and they all put people in mausoleums and mummify?

        Quote: kaban7
        And when did this state flourish?

        where are you crawling from, juveniles without a brain ...? History is not to smoke, but it was necessary to Teach.
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N 6 November 2017 20: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: kaban7
        ... and they all put people in mausoleums and mummify?

        Are you seriously asking? But is it nothing that among many peoples and in many religions all the time, people were not only buried in the earth? The Egyptian pharaohs, Mounds, and in the cemeteries who could be financed by crypts (if you don’t know, these are houses where they’re not buried in the ground and put in special niches. And they didn’t burst kings in Russia, but they left them in the cathedrals in tombs, some kings and princes there for thousands of years have been unlodged.
        Learn history and think with your head, and if you don’t know something, better keep silent - you will look smarter.
  8. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 6 November 2017 10: 04 New
    +2
    It is not clear what to do ... the author, in the article, said nothing
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 11: 37 New
      +9
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      It is not clear what to do ... the author, in the article, said nothing

      "Fight" in komenty, precisely for this purpose an article is posted)))
      1. sds87
        sds87 6 November 2017 15: 13 New
        +7
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        It is not clear what to do ... the author, in the article, said nothing

        "Fight" in komenty, precisely for this purpose an article is posted)))

        Your truth. The reburial of Lenin - this topic is constantly thrown out before various "elections" in order to distract the people from real problems.
        And where are your election programs, gentlemen, candidates for the presidency of the Russian Federation? No them? Only kneeling concocted slogans? Here is the whole circus and hide behind reburials.
  9. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 10: 16 New
    +9
    Frankly, let everyone say to himself: does the Mausoleum with VI Lenin bring life-giving positive energy? Or doesn’t it carry it? If it doesn’t carry it, bury it, as it should the body, so that the soul calms down. You need to think not only about your memory, you also need to think about Lenin’s Soul. How is she better. I think it’s necessary to act humanly, and to glorify the USSR in more humane ways.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 6 November 2017 11: 29 New
      18
      Carries. His presence somehow reassures me. It feels like once demolished, the country will disappear. I also remember when LENIN and STALIN were written there. As soon as Stalin was carried out, the country was sloping downhill ... This is not an accidental campaign. These megavors want to steal the rest after the USSR and hide the ends at the cost of civil strife.
  10. Ural resident
    Ural resident 6 November 2017 10: 23 New
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    Lenin should be buried only if the vast majority of the population speaks out for. in this case, the mausoleum in any case must be left - this is the history and part of the Kremlin.
    And so - yes - a premature debate about the body of Lenin, apart from a split in society, will not cause anything. Personally, I don’t care whether he is there or not. Although I clearly do not belong to the "ardent Leninists", it’s better to leave everything as it is for now. This is our story.
    If you follow the logic of such statements - then Egypt also needs to demolish the pyramids.
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 11: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      And so - yes - a premature debate about the body of Lenin, apart from a split in society, will not cause anything.


      Well, yes, the burial of Lenin is an act of disrespect for our fathers and grandfathers. A generation is still alive for which Ilyich meant a lot. It is necessary to postpone the discussion by forty years, when a generation grows up and matures, for which Ulyanov is only a person in history, and not "Our - Everything". Then we’ll bury him. And so, let him lie, He has not yet atoned for sins.
    2. kaban7
      kaban7 6 November 2017 12: 19 New
      +2
      It would be interesting to know the opinion of his descendants.
  11. free
    free 6 November 2017 10: 40 New
    +1
    I agree with the author!
    1. Sergey Krotov
      Sergey Krotov 9 November 2017 11: 10 New
      0
      So what?
      1. free
        free 9 November 2017 14: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergey Krotov
        So what?

        But what about the fact that you wrote something?
  12. BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 6 November 2017 10: 47 New
    +6
    These gentlemen fiercely hate the Soviet past, in this they are similar to liberal Westerners. They want to destroy all traces of Soviet civilization, in fact, destroy the highest achievements of the Russian people.

    But hate everything that was before October 1917? Is this a worthy state building?
    Unfortunately, stubborn liberals and the same communists and monarchists are similar in this. I hope that those are in the minority.
    The strengths and weaknesses of the era must be recognized. This does not mean putting up with flaws.
    Soviet civilization did not arise from scratch. The desire for justice is not a genetic quality (what kind of Nazism is this? Well, gentlemen, do not be like A. Hitler with his bullshit!) That is, this desire was laid down, if you like, vaccinated in past generations and is a product of education, spiritual growth of our ancestors. This quality is not received by a person by right of birth, but is absorbed with “mother’s milk”. And alas, it is very easy to lose it!
    That is why it is extremely important. Do not break, do not lose this connection of many generations!
    It is especially dangerous to fall away from the source! Cut the root of the tree and it will perish!
    PS. All with the past holiday!
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 6 November 2017 11: 25 New
      16
      What makes you think that the Bolsheviks "hated everything pre-revolutionary"? You are simply a victim of white propaganda. And who really led the Red Army? By chance, is not the tsarist General Staff almost at full strength?
      Who in the 18th issued a decree on the formation of TsAGI and put Zhukovsky at the head of the tsarist official? Who supported and implemented the pre-revolutionary GOELRO plan? Etc...
    2. Caretaker
      Caretaker 6 November 2017 11: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
      But hate everything that was before October 1917? Is this a worthy state building?
      Unfortunately, stubborn liberals and the same communists and monarchists are similar in this. I hope that those are in the minority.

      Is it in the article or in the comments that it is proposed to destroy the burial sites made before 1917? Where did you see "hatred of everything that was before October 1917"?
    3. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 6 November 2017 12: 31 New
      +1
      One and the same question- "where does it come from that the Bolsheviks hated everything pre-revolutionary?"
      How can you not see this?
      And they also call me "the victim of white propaganda."
      This is the same as for stubborn fighters with the Soviet past, the whole history of the USSR is a solid gulag. So for no less stubborn communists, all that was before the 17th year is entirely darkness, oppression, exploitation.
  13. ochakow703
    ochakow703 6 November 2017 10: 52 New
    15
    Oops, a trinity of prominent figures formed, one even counted the costs of maintaining the Mausoleum, and the whole country plows on the very cost. About the other two ... generally kirdyk. They were silent and did not shine. Maybe they went for smart ones. Although, these are no longer treated.
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker 6 November 2017 11: 50 New
      +6
      Poklonskaya in conjunction with Sobchak!
      Something similar was during the Great Patriotic War. Opponents of the Soviet Government of various directions collaborated with the Nazis, often "not liking" each other. .
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 November 2017 11: 01 New
    10
    T.N. the "new nobles" and the "new monarchists" are really annoying with an attempt to build everyone and everything for themselves. Some sing odes to Gaidar and EBN, others "God save the king", but in a new way. It is too early to talk about trying on even more so with an audience that, give them power, will hang up dissenters with three times zeal and drive the ideas of liberalism and monarchy with a stick.
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker 6 November 2017 12: 10 New
      +1
      Sobchak does not belong to the "new nobles." This is an erroneous term. In modern Russia, the class of "nobles" are absent. In tsarist Russia there were also subjects who achieved fame or fortune in one way or another. A wealthy entrepreneur did not automatically become a nobleman. Matilda Kshesinskaya, despite her success on stage, did not become a noblewoman.
      Poklonskaya is a fan of Nicholas 2 and an anti-Soviet, and not a "new monarchist." Perhaps it can be called "as if a monarchist."
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 6 November 2017 14: 57 New
        +2
        The Ranger Today, 12:10
        Matilda Kshesinskaya, despite her success on stage, did not become a noblewoman.

        And she didn’t have to, she was already so - according to "family traditions".
        Because, if in Georgia every second is a prince, then in Poland - a count, least. laughing
        The Kshesinsky family distributed the following version about their “pedigree”:
        The Kshesinsky descended from the Polish counts Krasinsky, who had innumerable treasures and a huge estate: the great-great-grandfather of Matilda Feliksovna was forced to flee Warsaw to Paris in the middle of the XNUMXth century, hiding from the assassins sent by her uncle. And when his son returned to Poland, he could not prove his origin.

        Threat. No documents confirming the Kshesinsky family tradition about their descent from the Counts of Krasinsky were found.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 6 November 2017 15: 11 New
          0
          The Ranger Today, 12:10
          Matilda Kshesinskaya, despite her success on stage, did not become a noblewoman.

          Addition -
          In 1921 she married the Grand Duke Andrei Vladimirovich, after which she received title of Princess Krasinskaya (1926) then Serene Princess Romanovskaya-Krasinskaya (1935) ./ wiki /
          1. Caretaker
            Caretaker 6 November 2017 18: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Freeman
            Addition -

            She became a "noblewoman" not for "success on stage."
            We are talking about the absence in modern Russia of nobles, both "old" and "new."
  15. 23rus
    23rus 6 November 2017 11: 03 New
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    Lenin lived, Lenin lives, Lenin will live! While people believe in a brighter future and hope for justice.
    1. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 6 November 2017 16: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: 23rus
      Lenin lived, Lenin lives, Lenin will live!


      Lenin died
      But the thing lives
      it would be better
      conversely

      wink
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 7 November 2017 16: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: vlad_vlad
        Lenin died
        But the thing lives
        it would be better
        conversely

        If you don’t like this thing
        Agent of German Ampralism
        Let him ask Dr. Gena
        Put a huge warm enema.
        No constipation -
        Nope and anger:
        Here is the best way
        Forget about the graveyard.
  16. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 6 November 2017 11: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: Captain Nemo
    Chota VO at all with the authors it became bad that this was published .... Under the long-overdue issue of the burial of the gutted mummy of the syphilitic executioner, the theory of the restoration of the monarchy and the emergence of a new nobility were summed up. Rare nonsense

    I fully support. It is necessary to bury the body, and then leave the wax mummy. BUT, every year they allocate 3 million dollars to maintain the body. And how many people will be left without work. That's where the dog rummaged .. drinks
    1. 23rus
      23rus 6 November 2017 11: 30 New
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      Right! And you have to repent by sprinkling ashes on your head. Introduce serfdom and corvee, play the balalaika on the wall and plump with a bear.
      1. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 11: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: 23rus
        Right! And you have to repent by sprinkling ashes on your head. Introduce serfdom and corvee, play the balalaika on the wall and plump with a bear.

        She, it’s better to return the workdays, adopt the new law "On the Three Spikelets", and send the dissatisfied to dig the new "Belomorkanal Channel".
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 6 November 2017 11: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          She, it’s better to return the workdays, adopt the new law "On the Three Spikelets", and send the dissatisfied to dig the new "Belomorkanal Channel".

          For some, prone to chatter and lies, probably worth it, there will be less negative in the country. At the same time, thieves will decrease.
          And physical labor, for especially annoying talkers on historical and other topics, makes you think better, not scratch your tongue anyway and for the sake of understanding why. More precisely, it’s understandable, for which all the talk about the notorious spikelets, workdays and so on, against the background of the minimum wage from which is dying and other delights of capitalism.
          1. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 12: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: badens1111
            And physical labor, for especially annoying talkers on historical and other topics

            Well, duck who is against something? You will go?

            Quote: badens1111
            More precisely, it is understandable, for the sake of which all the chatter about the notorious spikelets, workdays, etc.

            Do you think that the "Decree of the CEC and the Council of People's Commissars of August 7, 1932" On the Protection of Property of State Enterprises, Collective Farms and Cooperation and the Strengthening of Public (Socialist) Property "and the" Model Charter of the Agricultural Artel ", approved by the Decree of the CEC and the Council of People's Commissars of April 13 1930 and the resolution of the Collective Farm Center of the USSR of June 7, 1930 "- the ravings of" stubborn crystal bakers ". Well, for you, this is probably - yes, empty talk, and people were destined for people to break on the basis of these decisions.
            1. your1970
              your1970 11 November 2017 19: 30 New
              +1
              Here are some points from the OGPU reports for the summer of 1932:
              “In the village of Lipetsk on July 25 several groups of peasants - 10 or more people in each group - went to the nearby crops of the neighboring village of Alexandrovka and began to cut ears and, thus, collected 25 bags of ears of corn ...”
              “Mass thefts of bread were noted on most collective farms. In the village of Vodyanoye, about 20 poods of wheat were found in one individual farmer. In the village of Pogromnoye, 40 sole farmers and about 100 collective farmers participated in the theft of bread. 200 poods were found at the mill. "bread brought by individual farmers (stolen on the collective farm) ..."
              “In Tulovka, among some collective farmers and individual farmers ... 15–20 poods of stolen bread were found ... Theft of bread is carried out mainly by cutting ears from sheaves and threshing them ...”
              “On the Letoshsky collective farm ... no brigade went out to harvest bread for two days, collective farmers, along with family members, massively cut ears of rye for personal consumption (in two days it was cut from an area of ​​10 hectares) ".
              As you can see, the cutting of spikelets is not a woman with scissors, but a predatory harvest of bread, when only the tops are taken away, leaving empty straw in the fields. Take the last summary. If, for example, the rye yield was 5 centners per hectare (low), then in two days the collective farm harvest was facilitated by 5 tons. In the Russian pre-collective farm village, such tricks on a foreign field were not approved until the murder.
              The OGPU notes that sole traders, natives of collective farms and collective farmers who have few workdays were engaged in this fishery. By the way, that year there was a curious kind of kulak agitation: the individual farmers should not sow bread so as not to donate grain, and the bread needed for food can be stolen on the collective farm.
              “In Berezovka every day, 50 collective farmers, going from the harvest, take with them a large sheaf. The stolen bread is ground in specially designed hand mills, of which 8 pieces have been seized in recent days. For the construction of these mills, in some cases, gears from reapers are stolen, incapacitating them. ”
              Here it is not so much the sheaves - how much bread is there in that sheaf? Well, a kilogram is ten to twenty. Here, something else is remarkable - in order to bungle a penny mill, expensive agricultural machines are easily broken. Himself have to wave braids. Or do some cars bust and others wave their braids? Recall: mainly collective farmers who have few workdays, that is, they didn’t break their backs at work, mostly bread.
              As is usually the case in a crowd, the crowd drags little by little, and under its cover serious people do serious business.
              From the OGPU reports:
              “In the village of Grimm, a group of kulaks (19 people) systematically engaged in organized theft of bread. Over 6 thousand poods were plundered. Bread was sold ... at speculative prices ... "
              “... Massive theft of bread engulfed many villages. In the villages of Vyazovka and B. Moretz, theft was carried out in whole groups, the stolen bread was sold by them or sheltered. Some of the looters found 150 poods each. of bread. Among the participants in the theft are relatives of dispossessed and former. gendarme…"
              “In the village of Dvoenka, bread was stolen near 1,5 тыс. pood. Bread was taken away by collective farmers and individual farmers. Prosperous group (9 people) organized and systematically plundered collective farm bread ... "
              "In the village of Fedorovka a pit was discovered on 1 thousand. pood., in the village of Doktorovka - 2 holes on 2,4 тыс. pood., in the village of Lyubavino - 1 pit per 493 pounds., the initiators of the shelter of bread were fists and prosperous (13 people). "
              “In the Bogodukhov district, a group of 14 people. (6 kulaks, 6 middle peasants and 2 poor people), which, with the assistance of the pom. manager, buster and foreman plundered from the state farm of beetroot from above 300 pood. of bread. During the search, a ton of stolen bread was discovered. ”
              and then more fun
              But the most interesting is yet to come. It turns out that the GPU of Ukraine has revealed many secret mills, whose work was generally not accountable to anyone.
              “... In most regions, a number of mills that are not part of the Selkhozmukomolye system were arbitrarily put into operation, as follows:
              - In the Odessa region. revealed 264 mills producing secret grinding.
              - According to one D / Petrovsky region. 29 secret mills were identified and 346 mills were approved for use without the permission of the Procurement Committee.
              - In the Vinnytsia region 38 secret mills were discovered and, moreover, 43 mills were put into operation without the permission of the Procurement Committee.
              - In the Kharkov region. 13 mills that produced secret grinding of grain were identified and, in addition, 18 mills were put into operation without the permission of the Procurement Committee.
              This circumstance primarily affected to a large extent the fulfillment of planned targets for merchandise, since not a single one of the secret mills or the mills put into operation without the permission of the Procurement Committee was handed over to merchuk. ”
              So, only in these areas, the authorities of the GPU only 20 days detected more 750 secret and unaccounted mills.
              WHERE DOES THE GRAIN FOR PROCESSING AT SECRET MILLS ???
              and you- "For three ears of wheat !!!" ... there the underground millionaires worked - to manipulate such volumes of bread in the hungry years ...
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 6 November 2017 13: 29 New
          +7
          it’s better to return the workdays, adopt the new law “On the Three Spikelets”, and send the dissatisfied to dig the new “Belomorkanal Channel”.
          Yes, it doesn’t have any workdays, you don’t even know what it is, but in Gorbachev’s times they explained to you that this is ay-yay. However, many now live on ten thousand.
          Three spikelets, now there is a law on three SMSs.
          Maybe Kvachkov and many others who are repressed do not build, but what to build now. But people are sitting simply because the authorities did not like it.
          1. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 13: 44 New
            +1
            [quote = Gardamir] [quote] Yes, there are no workdays, you don’t even know what it is, but in Gorbachev’s times they explained to you that it was ay-yay. [/ quote]
            Well, thank God that I do not know. I think you do not know either.

            [quote = Guardamir] [quote] Maybe Kvachkov and many others who are repressed do not build, but what to build now. [/ quote]
            Yes, there’s a lot of things that can be built now, won the “construction of the century” all over the country, to this, damn it, the football championship. You can after all. But I’m not talking about this, citizen 23rus "blurted out" without thinking, I answered him in the same style ...
        3. ty60
          ty60 6 November 2017 17: 20 New
          +2
          Candidates for sending: Nabiulina, Siluanov, Golikova, Chubais, and Navalny and his comrades at the same time with Serdyukov and his passion. And Sobchak is the foreman to them.
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 6 November 2017 11: 38 New
      +8
      And the meaning of the wax mummy? They look not at the body, but at the one who is SMOG. Then I suggest digging up Yeltsin’s body, and earning money on those who want to spit on him. This almost made it possible to ruin everything that ten generations of Russian rulers had done before him.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 6 November 2017 11: 59 New
        +9
        Цитата: Сергей Кожокарь
        Then I suggest digging out Yeltsin’s body, and earning money on those who want to spit on him.

        140 million if they gather, then the wave, the remaining 3% of the nouveau riche, crime and other lovers of liberalism will be washed off somewhere in the States .. or else where ..
        Цитата: Сергей Кожокарь
        This one could almost ruin everything that ten generations of Russian rulers had done before him.

        That’s for sure, the labors, blood and sweat of generations of the people, this drunken ghoul just threw the dog down the drain, along with the Tagged ...
    3. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 6 November 2017 20: 06 New
      +1
      But then, a second warning slapped me for this koment. It is even interesting who personally knocked. Or do admins clean the ranks?
    4. Sergey Krotov
      Sergey Krotov 9 November 2017 11: 23 New
      +1
      The dog rummaged in the place where clever people live, wishing to shout all sorts of nonsense from the fence. Who are you by profession, if you even have a profession? The builder is a system. Teacher - Teach. Doctor - heal. Or are you just a network talker? Well then, all you have to do is talk about smart topics and you will grow up in your own eyes. And what is a wax mummy? What do you still want - a mummy or a wax figure? Or do you propose to arrange a mini-wax museum near the walls of the Kremlin? Go get some water, cool your sore forehead.
  17. meandr51
    meandr51 6 November 2017 11: 19 New
    12
    As soon as the next hap of the USSR’s national property is planned, the lamentations about reburial, Gulag and deficits in the USSR immediately begin. It remains to grab 50%. This is already a military man, heavy weight and basic structures. Metro, for example. And then they plan to tear the country apart so that there is no one to return, if that.
    The people, of course, will be reduced at times. And no one is to blame ...
  18. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 6 November 2017 11: 29 New
    +7
    Remember the joke about the three letters? The current boss at the third stage of the development of events and, in turn, writes "three letters" to his successor. He himself had already spoken out that he was "tired of rowing," "worked as an oar like NOBODY was the other of the Soviet leaders." As a result of his rowing, Russia was again in the ring of enemies and without allies. Well, I’ll have to repeat the phrase, “Brothers and Sisters" ... He, I think, initiated a discussion on the subject of the burial of Lenin’s body. A distraction before throwing in the name of the successor. Judoka Figley.
  19. Caretaker
    Caretaker 6 November 2017 11: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Molot1979
    Why is it for Kadyrov - but who knows.

    For Kadyrov, it’s important to bury the head of Hadji Murad,
    and the proposal for the burial of Lenin’s body is an attempt to search for supporters in Hadji Murad.
    The question of the mausoleum on Red Square is secondary for him.
    1. Sergey Krotov
      Sergey Krotov 9 November 2017 11: 32 New
      +1
      I agree that the issue with the mausoleum is not important for Kadyrov, a guy from the village. But about the motivating reasons - I can not agree. Kadyrov is a provincial and former bandit. It is important for him to pose as a major political figure, fully inscribed in the Moscow political tusnyak. So he sticks to significant topics.
      What is the mausoleum? Nobody is going to seriously touch him.
      This vanity is trying to distract attention from something else. So it would be possible for everyone to figure it out - from what exactly.
  20. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 November 2017 11: 35 New
    +8
    Why Sobchak, Poklonskaya and Kadyrov want to bury Lenin

    1) This is a good PR, all media will crack about the next bury.
    2.) Lenin has to be periodically "buried" in order for the people to discuss precisely this, and not acute economic and domestic political issues.
    3.) The body of Lenin splits the opposition into red and white and prevents them from uniting for creative purposes.
    4.) Lenin is a lump, a political giant, and encroaching on his peace represents himself only as an equal with him. And this is a personal psychological subtext, without any ideology.
    5.) 5.) 5.) And about the main thing ... who else but Lenin should be afraid of and hate the ruling bourgeoisie?
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 6 November 2017 11: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      The body of Lenin splits the opposition into red and white and prevents their unification for the sake of creative goals.

      It’s not possible to harness a horse, a bull and a quivering doe into one cart.
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Lenin is a lump, a political giant, and encroaching on his peace represents himself only as an equal with him.

      Well, yes .. they pose as something, but to the level and in comparison, there is some kind of small fry. It resembles an omnipresent and annoying vile.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 6 November 2017 12: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: badens1111
        It’s not possible to harness a horse, a bull and a quivering doe into one cart.

        A single platform for changing the system can be developed, so the NBP was officially banned at one time. As it was a raw party, but it contained very dangerous rudiments.
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    2. Sergey Krotov
      Sergey Krotov 9 November 2017 11: 39 New
      +1
      I agree with you. The question is much deeper than just burying / not burying. The Lenin Mausoleum is one of the symbols of the state. So they are trying to inflict blows on values ​​with such throws (still conscious or unconscious). A word about humanism. "Christian", etc. - The usual smoke screen of the "new nobles." It’s like a discussion on how hygienic to wash the floor in the barracks with the banner of the unit.
  22. Cop
    Cop 6 November 2017 11: 39 New
    +2
    K. Sobchak, N. Poklonskaya and R. Kadyrov opposed Vladimir Lenin, offering to remove the leader of the world and Russian revolution from Red Square.

    So it’s kind of like Lenin’s testament exists that he would be buried at the Volkovsky cemetery in St. Petersburg near the grave of his mother. Well, the mausoleum can be left in the form of a historical and cultural object. Foreigners will pose against his background, but the "Leninist Guard" will lay flowers. And that, and the sheep are safe and the wolves are full. Yes, and it will be purely humanly logical that the mother and son are lying next to each other.
    ..... the "new nobles", the masters of the country, who seized the people's property and power, matured and took shape.

    Secretary General, member of the Politburo, member of the Central Committee, chairman of the CPC, 1st, 2nd, 3rd secretaries, chairman of the party committee ..... What are the positions than the "new nobles". And the power and property ...
    We cannot simply exist, slide into empty consumption, leading to the complete degeneration of the human essence, like Western societies.
    [
    / B]
    I think the starving peasants of Ukraine, the Volga region, Kazakhstan and other regions. Mr. author would not agree with you. Remember the Soviet joke: "the west certainly rots, but it smells good" ...
    [B]
    In the genetic code, the matrix program of the Russian superethnos, social justice, truth and the ethics of conscience (involvement in the highest truth and justice) are embedded.

    Would you, Mr. author, list the Russian leaders of the country. And then we would decide if there is social justice here?
    .... make Russia one of the most prosperous countries in the world ...

    And what prevented this from happening before 1990?
    More and more people are beginning to understand and appreciate the achievements of October, Soviet civilization and the mighty Soviet Union.

    Again, repeat .... that the Chechens, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, Koreans, Finns, etc. I would not agree with you ....

    PS If this topic is so painful for the citizens of Russia, then why not ask them on this, for example during the election, but at least the next presidential .....
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker 6 November 2017 12: 17 New
      +6
      ".... make Russia one of the most prosperous countries in the world ..."
      Quote: Cop
      And what prevented this from happening before 1990?

      The USSR was already one of the most prosperous countries in the world.
      1. Cop
        Cop 6 November 2017 13: 33 New
        +2
        USSR and so was one of the most prosperous countries in the world
        .

        And what was it expressed in?
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker 6 November 2017 14: 07 New
          +3
          In short:
          standard of living,
          social guarantees,
          security guarantees
          equal opportunity
          and as a result - confidence in the future.
          1. Cop
            Cop 7 November 2017 09: 30 New
            +1
            standard of living.

            Well, tell us about him, how big or small he is, thick or thin .....
            social guarantees.

            Which ones? Wage - 80 rubles? Or a pension of 12?
            security guarantees. [
            /I]

            Ask the Russians living at that time in the Ferghana Valley. Or the inhabitants of Novocherkassk.
            [I]
            equal opportunity.

            Is it like with a limited residence permit and sixth column?
            and as a result - confidence in the future.

            But this is true, I always wanted to say thank you to the party for my happy childhood .....
    2. Caretaker
      Caretaker 6 November 2017 14: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Cop
      More and more people are beginning to understand and appreciate the achievements of October, Soviet civilization and the mighty Soviet Union.
      Again, repeat .... that the Chechens, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, Koreans, Finns, etc. I would not agree with you ....

      If you are talking about Finnish citizens (judging by the flag), then only those who are not interested in the history of their state can disagree. Without Soviet Russia, there would have been no Finland as a state.
      Unfortunately, after the victory of the counter-revolution in Finland, a series of wars unleashed by Finnish nationalists followed, which ended only in 1944-1945 (depending on what is considered to be completion).

      By the way, in the territories occupied by Finns (in 1941-1944), all civilians (old people, women, children) who did not belong to the so-called “kindred” Finns to the peoples were imprisoned in camps. Imagine - everything!
      Mortality in the Finnish concentration camps for prisoners of war, in the winter of 1941-1942, was higher than in Germany!
      1. Cop
        Cop 7 November 2017 09: 57 New
        +1
        If you're talking about Finnish citizens (judging by the flag)

        So, if you register on this site through a Somali server, you will be a citizen of Somalia ....
        Without Soviet Russia, there would be no Finland ....

        Most likely this is so .... And the act on recognition of Finland’s independence signed by Lenin and Trotsky is in their museum behind armored glass .....
        ..... followed by a series of wars unleashed by Finnish nationalists ....

        Are you talking about how insidious white Finns attacked the peacefully plowing Soviet T-26 tractor?
        Mortality in the Finnish concentration camps for prisoners of war, in the winter of 1941-1942, was higher than in Germany!

        It seems that you have visited both those and these and now you know exactly which balanda was tastier .......
    3. Old warrior
      Old warrior 6 November 2017 23: 27 New
      +1
      There is no testament, the idiots-intellectuals came up with it, because all the stupid people, yes ....
      1. Cop
        Cop 7 November 2017 10: 01 New
        +1
        There is no testament, the idiots-intellectuals came up with it, for most stupid people, yes ...
        .

        Ne, people of Georgian nationality are hiding him in Russian ...
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 November 2017 16: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Cop
      Again, repeat .... that the Chechens, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, Koreans, Finns, etc. I would not agree with you ....

      Are you talking on behalf of all of the above?
      1. Cop
        Cop 11 November 2017 03: 53 New
        +1
        Are you talking on behalf of all of the above?

        Why are you asking this?
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 14 November 2017 10: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Cop
          Why are you asking this?

          Because nefig give out their opinion for the opinion of the above. Although perhaps in relation to the "Crimean Tatars" I agree with you. Rats they are.
          1. Cop
            Cop 20 November 2017 12: 03 New
            +1
            Because nefig give out their opinion for the opinion of the above.

            And then why did they all come back? Is this not a confirmation of my opinion?
  23. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 6 November 2017 11: 42 New
    +6
    Sobchak and Poklonskaya let them deal with the Russian economy and the pensions of Russians !!!! And let the heads of the regions work on how to stop being subsidized !!!!
  24. north
    north 6 November 2017 11: 54 New
    0
    The author of the article prepared such a vinaigrette, so as not to figure out what it was about, specifically ???
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 12: 18 New
      +1
      "Ill" in a person, here on emotions and wrote.
      1. north
        north 6 November 2017 14: 04 New
        0
        It was necessary to cool down and write clearly.
        1. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 14: 35 New
          +2
          I agree)))
  25. freddyk
    freddyk 6 November 2017 11: 58 New
    +3
    I think Lenin should be buried, but solemnly and with all the honors appropriate for the leader of the world proletariat, under a cannon salute, and leave the mausoleum as a historical monument and take parades from it, as our grandfathers should.
    1. wax
      wax 6 November 2017 22: 18 New
      +1
      He was also the presidential commission in the very difficult years of the formation of the world's first state of workers and peasants, and not nobles and oligarchs.
    2. Old warrior
      Old warrior 6 November 2017 23: 29 New
      +3
      They do not want to bury Lenin, but the Ideas of Communism. No need to go about the Enemies of the People. Grandfather is lying in the Mausoleum, even if he lies, do not touch, it will only get worse.
  26. Zacvasetskiy
    Zacvasetskiy 6 November 2017 11: 59 New
    +3
    Personally, I just don’t understand why this canned man lies there, no hostility for his affairs.
    WHY DOES IT LIKE THERE?!?!?! This is a corpse, corpses are usually stored in cemeteries and not in a shop window !!!
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 6 November 2017 23: 31 New
      +2
      It’s not your position, not yours to pull out. Do not dare to touch Grandpa!
    2. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 7 November 2017 16: 43 New
      +1
      Before the removal of Lenin, bury all the restless, such as the relics of saints, princes, grand dukes and tsars who ruled Russia in different eras (whatever the name, there were many of them). And at the same time, the mausoleums of other personalities, even clans - and only then Lenin, for according to chronology it is necessary, according to chronology!
  27. kaban7
    kaban7 6 November 2017 12: 08 New
    +5
    If the mausoleum, as you say, is a "symbol of Soviet civilization," then what kind of civilization is this where a human corpse is on display, like stuffed animals in a museum, like corpses of various freaks in a kunstkamera - how is the mausoleum different from a kunstkamera? Can you imagine how many people came there well if there was simply nothing to do, but there were and still are a huge number of people who are simply eager to come there in order to spit on the leader of the Russian Revolution, and they have their own personal reasons for it . In your opinion, it turns out that burying the remains humanly is not a civilization, it is a MUCH over the Soviet past. Mockery of the past, where sausage and meat were 2 rubles each (sorry, I don’t remember the exact numbers, but I remember exactly that they never were in the store)? Or, perhaps, over the past, when people did not know the word “buy,” but there was only the word “get it,” when a country that for decades provided half the world with bread was unable to provide bread for itself and bought it from Canada? Or it’s about that “civilization” when they broadcast on radio and television about the next victories and achievements in smelting pig iron and “tens of centners per hectare”, and people had nothing to eat except rotten potatoes and barley in Soviet stores. Everything was more or less decent to buy on the market, but the prices there were several times higher, of course. And everyone who traded there was called speculators, even if a person grew these tomatoes himself in his garden. And the Soviet “idea”, in particular, consisted in the fact that in villages where people densely and successfully engaged in their personal households (even without prejudice to the collective), schools forced children to write essays on the topic of how it turns out to be bad to grow in your garden tomatoes (cucumbers, keep a cow, etc.) and especially sell it all in the bazaar. But instead, you need to go to meetings and various political information and listen to how the party and the government carry out and overfulfill food and other programs, and be politically savvy so that no enemy can seduce you with a piece of sausage!
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker 6 November 2017 12: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: kaban7
      If the mausoleum, as you say, is “a symbol of Soviet civilization,” then what kind of civilization is this where the human corpse is on display, like in a museum stuffed with various animals.

      Be careful with the wording. Yours can be perceived as an insult to the feelings of believers worshiping holy relics in temples and are confusingly similar to the formulations of the enemies of Orthodoxy.
      Quote: kaban7
      be politically savvy so that no enemy can seduce you with a piece of sausage!

      Do you propose universal political illiteracy so that the enemy can seduce with a “piece of sausage”, chewing gum or a hamburger?
      Remember the great advertisement about Gorbachev’s reforms and the opportunity to eat pizza?
  28. Black sniper
    Black sniper 6 November 2017 12: 26 New
    +2
    Why did the author of a normal peasant put on a par with "stuffed" Fools !? I, too, for the burial although I can not stand these fools. They will not bury him, well, let him lie quietly on, he personally does not bother me. Pyramids, crypts, tombs, family cemeteries with coffins in the basements, so what? Any shameless rabble is promoted on the imine of Lenin. Nor is there any conscience, morality, only selfish, shameless PR.
  29. Old warrior
    Old warrior 6 November 2017 12: 34 New
    +6
    Yes, they do not want to bury Lenin, but the very idea of ​​Social Justice. Although, it would seem, wherever one could look for them, if not for the Soviet Power.
    1. Mikhail Feldman
      Mikhail Feldman 6 November 2017 12: 43 New
      +2
      In Soviet times, the idea of ​​social justice had to be sought in Kolyma, and in other similar places. In the distant, as well as not so remote.
      1. wax
        wax 6 November 2017 22: 15 New
        +2
        Wow! Michael Feldman on the Promised Land!
      2. Old warrior
        Old warrior 6 November 2017 23: 33 New
        +3
        Kolyma cleared the brains of the Enemies of the People well. It’s a pity that not all of them were exhausted. Now they would have lived under Communism.
  30. Mikhail Feldman
    Mikhail Feldman 6 November 2017 12: 39 New
    +1
    Comrade Suslov and Herr Goebbels would equally appreciate this article.
  31. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 6 November 2017 12: 45 New
    +6
    We need to create a new project for a renewed USSR, we need a patriotic elite and a strong state that will take all the best that was in the Soviet Union, and partly in pre-revolutionary Russia, and will go further. We have no other way but to revive the imperial project, to recreate the superpower. And the first thing to do is to finally get out of the influence of the USA, especially financial; the second is a sharp increase in the role of the state in the economy, the revival of the State. plan and the beginning of a new industrialization.
  32. ver_
    ver_ 6 November 2017 12: 55 New
    0
    Quote: EwgenyZ
    Quote: A resident of the Urals
    And so - yes - a premature debate about the body of Lenin, apart from a split in society, will not cause anything.


    Well, yes, the burial of Lenin is an act of disrespect for our fathers and grandfathers. A generation is still alive for which Ilyich meant a lot. It is necessary to postpone the discussion by forty years, when a generation grows up and matures, for which Ulyanov is only a person in history, and not "Our - Everything". Then we’ll bury him. And so, let him lie, He has not yet atoned for sins.

    ..do not sign for our ancestors ... in 1976, when after technical school I started working in production, the old man * a sweeper * said * the time will come and you will learn so much abomination about Lenin .. The time has come and I found out .. All of these remains of God's chosen revolutionaries - to Israel - to the Wailing Wall .. Let their fellow tribesmen worship them ..
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 6 November 2017 13: 59 New
      +3
      [quote = ver _] [quote = EwgenyZ] [quote = Resident of the Urals] .. do not sign for our ancestors .... [/ quote]
      But I don’t “sign”, it is worth holding a referendum on this problem and you will find that the majority for Lenin is in the mausoleum. We are from the “that” era and it should be clear to you that for the majority, not for everyone, but for the majority, Lenin was part of their life. Now we don’t need to “chop with a saber”, we must give time to a generational change and everything will be fine and they will bury Him, of which I have no doubt.
    2. Old warrior
      Old warrior 6 November 2017 23: 35 New
      0
      That's how fools are bred.
  33. al.pech
    al.pech 6 November 2017 12: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey-svs
    Leave already Lenin alone! am For most, Lenin is a man who tried to build a prosperous and just society and he did this not only for himself. And all lamentations about Christian customs are hypocrisy, we have a multi-confessional country, there are Muslims, Jews and Buddhists, as well as many atheists. The goal of all this raised hype is extremely simple: - Distract people from real problems. yes

    Quote: kaban7
    Cruel ... but true!
    1. al.pech
      al.pech 6 November 2017 13: 04 New
      +3
      As one movie hero_ corpse said, it should lie in the ground, and not in the window of a Russian state ... it is best to cremate it and immure it into a wall and we will have another weeping wall ... I think all sensible people have long wanted to put it to the ground.
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 7 November 2017 16: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: al.pech
        I think all sane people have long wanted to bring him to earth.

        Are they the same sane ones that offer full privatization? Oh well them ... to hell with the forest, in short. And they will kick out - well, how will Hell be privatized too?
  34. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 6 November 2017 12: 56 New
    +5
    But bury this demon rather, stop talking! All the troubles of Russia are precisely from this.
    1. ty60
      ty60 6 November 2017 17: 30 New
      +2
      Because it’s not for feng shui
    2. Old warrior
      Old warrior 6 November 2017 23: 37 New
      +1
      Holy himself? Enemy of the People, huh?
  35. Altona
    Altona 6 November 2017 13: 06 New
    +8

    Briefly on the money and grandeur of the necropolises, although Yeltsin is not physically there, he still has a necropolis.
    1. dSK
      dSK 6 November 2017 16: 18 New
      +4
      With two hands for the transfer to the "balance" of the mausoleum - the Communist Party, the Yeltsin Center - "United Russia"!
      For three years now, Siluanov has reduced the budget of countries with a deficit of 3%, and has been increasing public debt.
      And it will be seen in fact how much they will collect on entrance tickets, will they recoup their costs? How much they are needed by the people.
  36. Altona
    Altona 6 November 2017 13: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: panzerfaust
    But bury this demon rather, stop talking! All the troubles of Russia are precisely from this.

    ----------------------------
    He is buried, why are you raving, troll?
    1. silver169
      silver169 6 November 2017 15: 15 New
      +2
      He will be buried when his rotten corpse is burned and the ashes are dispelled in the wind.
      1. dSK
        dSK 6 November 2017 16: 26 New
        +4
        Why bury - pass the Communist Party, and they do with the "holy" mummy what they want. Let them take an example from the Orthodox. And there will be no swara.
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 7 November 2017 16: 50 New
          0
          Quote: dsk
          Let them take an example from the Orthodox.

          What, you need to tear the corpse into pieces and carry it around the country with worship in the Red Corners? Nah, let the worshipers do this.
  37. AKC
    AKC 6 November 2017 13: 15 New
    +5
    Thank you for the article!!! laughed !!!
    it means when wealth is being exported now it’s bad. and when Lenin and company plundered Russian peasants, they took out and sold the national treasure, when they drove philosophers and designers. creative people of economists and others, when they killed and shot, Cossacks, peasants, workers, priests, nobles, others, is that good ????
    When Lenin, Stalin and the company squandered Russian lands giving them to the new republics, is that good?
    Bury Lenin !!!! enough, the Communists drank blood from Russia !!!
    The most affected people from the rule of the Communists is the Russian people !!!!! in no other people of the former Soviet republics has been killed, devastated, starved how many in the Russian people !!!! It was a genocide of communists against the Russian people !!!!
    I can’t understand why Jews ruled our country. Georgians, Ukrainians and the guilty in the former social republics are looking in Russia! it is time to restore historical justice and send claims on the activities of the Soviet government to Israel, Ukraine, Georgia, Lithuania and others ...
    1. 23rus
      23rus 6 November 2017 14: 23 New
      +3
      Right! Plundered by the Bolsheviks, simple peasants and workers, who took the land and factories away from the impudent, squandering the Polish and Finnish countries to the right and left, desperate, built a mausoleum to the main ideologist of equality and brotherhood as a warning to posterity, that they would never do this and always remember: man to man is a wolf, and a rich man has become so by the will of God and we must take an example from him.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 6 November 2017 16: 08 New
      +1
      Well, do it! Write your suggestions to the presidential administration, the State Duma, the president, the prime minister!
  38. Black sniper
    Black sniper 6 November 2017 13: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: stas
    The tsar feels the opinion of the people and drapes a mausoleum on the 9 of May, although it is indicated on the banner of Victory - For our Soviet Motherland.
    And the king is building a capitalist paradise with his own face.

    And here is the banner of Pbeda? And you face to face? Maybe harya PARASHINKI? am
  39. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 6 November 2017 13: 39 New
    +4
    Russia will never again be communist, stepping on the same rake twice, so the Lenin Mausoleum should not be a symbol of the new statehood of the Russian Federation. The Communists themselves must decide the fate of the Lenin Mausoleum by financing its maintenance, by locating it in Lenin’s homeland in Ulyanovsk. I am convinced that the communists of foreign countries will also help in this financing.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 6 November 2017 16: 06 New
      +7
      Then I propose that all neoliberals take off and finance the Yeltsin Center and other anti-people projects themselves, and not finance them from different budgets.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 7 November 2017 05: 11 New
        +1
        ..and erect these very monuments in the United States ..
  40. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 6 November 2017 13: 57 New
    24
    Neither Sobchak, nor Kadyrov, nor Poklonskaya should be present in the history of Russia.
    They do not respect her story, they do not care about people's opinions. They did not even have the right to stutter about it.
    All three are overboard.
    It turned out to be a good litmus test good
    1. ver_
      ver_ 7 November 2017 05: 12 New
      0
      .. well, yes, the idea is there Stenka Razin? ..
  41. Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 6 November 2017 13: 59 New
    10
    I somehow involuntarily recalled ... in the 90s, when privatization was announced, conversations immediately began about whether to bury Lenin or not, how many victims of Stalin’s repressions, what kind of Stalin a tyrant ... while we were discussing all this (how it’s possible to speak of “closed” topics!) they seized our country silently, robbed us and our descendants, destroying a great country. Now and now ... five started talking about another wave of privatization, and right there, like in a training manual, the same questions have been raised ... I am very suspicious of all this ... We should have a closer look at the economic news on privatization
  42. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 6 November 2017 14: 02 New
    +2
    The communist idea will certainly be in demand in third world countries - Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, etc. Therefore, the Communists need a place of pilgrimage - the Lenin Mausoleum in Ulyanovsk.
    Soviet communists believed that their rule would be eternal, and treacherously surrendered Crimea to Ukraine. Crimea, under the occupation of Bandera, boiled in its own juice and independently developed ideological guidelines for itself, turning from the communists who betrayed them to the monarchy.
    The monarchy is serfdom, where the nobles are blue blood, and the rest are second-class people. But Russia was lucky. The Catholic Church supported the monarchy, and the Romanovs destroyed the Patriarchate in Russia, although Patriarch Filaret Romanov was the father of Tsar Mikhail. The patriarchate can only coexist with the presidential republic, for the monarch in Russia also leads the Orthodox Church. Poklonskaya is a true patriot of Russia, but Russia is old, not new. We will not blame her.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 7 November 2017 17: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Leonid Dymov
      Poklonskaya is a true patriot of Russia, but Russia is old, not new.

      And so she has no more pressing matters than running around with Nikolai with 2 Matilda. And what should she do in the Duma there? Well, let this be done, since a patriot.
  43. Sars
    Sars 6 November 2017 14: 05 New
    +3
    Maybe the satanic throne with the mummy with the name of the demon VIL is enough to stand in the heart of Moscow?
    What is social justice? People! Jewish Bolsheviks killed the entire gene pool of Russia, destroyed the country, planted time bombs in the form of Kazakhstan-Ukraine. I would have shot the ashes of Ulyanov-Blanca in Russian custom.
    1. 23rus
      23rus 6 November 2017 14: 28 New
      +2
      In the heart of Moscow should stand ... or rather - stick around!
    2. freddyk
      freddyk 7 November 2017 01: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: SarS
      the Bolsheviks killed the entire gene pool of Russia, destroyed the country

      So they killed and destroyed that the country has not been a quarter of a century, but we live on its heritage. Before the Bolsheviks, Russia was an illiterate agrarian country, and in three five-year periods it became a powerful industrial, educated power.
  44. silver169
    silver169 6 November 2017 15: 09 New
    +2
    This non-Russian tvar is guilty of the greatest geopolitical disaster in Russia, it is high time to bring to earth. Somewhere in the trash.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 7 November 2017 17: 03 New
      +2
      Are you talking about each of the German pack at the royal court? So already, and many since a century ago they were sent to their designated places in boilers with constant oil heating.
  45. Bind
    Bind 6 November 2017 15: 11 New
    0
    Very biased article. All under one comb. He who is not with me is against me.
  46. himanru
    himanru 6 November 2017 15: 33 New
    +1
    In my opinion, a completely normal desire is to bring the corpse to the ground. Why do we need a cadaver in the center of the capital?
  47. Mikhail Ezhikov
    Mikhail Ezhikov 6 November 2017 15: 34 New
    +1
    And the opinion of Lenin himself does not interest anyone ??? Ilyich wanted to be buried next to his mother ... maybe you need to fulfill the last will ???
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker 6 November 2017 18: 14 New
      +2
      Цитата: Михаил Ежиков
      And the opinion of Lenin himself does not interest anyone ???

      Are you sure you want all the precepts of Vladimir Ilyich to be fulfilled, or only beneficial to his enemies?
    2. wax
      wax 6 November 2017 22: 10 New
      +1
      And where did you get this opinion? Do Chubais? Or Sobchak herself?
  48. K-50
    K-50 6 November 2017 15: 37 New
    +7
    Leave you alone leader. Lies, doesn’t ask for a drink, and let him lie to himself. None of this is, by and large, neither hot nor cold. Only those raise this question that they want once again to be promoted on this. It would be better than useful for the country.
  49. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 6 November 2017 16: 00 New
    +2
    Very much the authorities are afraid of a real unification of the people! But all these talking heads are only in her service, and one should not expect anything else from them.
  50. peace
    peace 6 November 2017 16: 02 New
    +3
    Perfectly said! Everything is outlined for sure. Unfortunately, few people understand these personalities and trends themselves in the country. Not only that, they are even admired, even the "rabble" itself, ready to trust the devil knows whom - without thinking and not remembering what it was before the USSR and what it is being prepared for again ...