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Why "Patriots" could not bring down the "outdated" Yemeni "Scuds"

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4 November evening in the area of ​​the international airport King Khalid SAM "Patriot" fired one by one five missiles. An explosion followed in the area of ​​one of the terminals and flashes of smaller explosions were visible, which immediately caused panic among the population.

“At the airport of the capital of Saudi Arabia, Riyadh, on the evening of Saturday, November 4, an explosion occurred. Reported by Al Jazeera. It is noted that the explosion thundered in one of the terminals of the international airport named after King Khalid in 35 km from Riyadh. According to unconfirmed data from local media, the explosion was the result of the interception of Saudi air defense missiles fired from Yemen. ”
Al Jazeera.


Interesting implications of "interception", is not it?

A little later, the Saudis provided a fragment of the allegedly downed warhead, which, however, did not dispel the doubts of the skeptics.

Why "Patriots" could not bring down the "outdated" Yemeni "Scuds"


The fact is that today, during the period of conducting large-scale information wars, you should not take the word of the interested party. And the interest of the current Saudi authorities to hide the consequences of the disaster (and this is a real disaster for their air defense system) is the most direct.

The armed forces of the kingdom are headed by Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman, to whom, contrary to tradition, his father bequeathed power (and probably will transfer it very soon). The failure of the army beats primarily on the image of the heir to the throne, who began just on November 5 with the mass sweep of princes dissatisfied with the new order (who were already arrested for the 11 pieces along with 25 by very influential people of the Kingdom).

Including the king of the Kingdom of the National Guard under Prince Miteb was arrested. What immediately made the heir to the throne the only owner of a real armed force.

In general, there were many reasons to hide the failure of Prince Muhammad. And the facts - a stubborn thing. And so let's understand.

Three is no longer an accident

Talk about a random puncture of the Saudi air defense system is not necessary. This was the third successful shelling of Saudi Arabia since September 2016.

Yemenis began bombarding Saudi Arabia with ballistic missiles as early as 2015. And it turned out they have at first very unfortunate. In June, the KSA air defense system intercepted the first Scud launched through its territory, then, on August 26, the second. But on the third attempt, the Yemenis were lucky. The warhead of the missile struck the Saudi air base, located in the south-west of the country near the town of Khamis Mushayt.

And then the shelling suddenly stopped.



A bolt from the blue broke out in September 2016, when Yemenis attacked a military unit near Taif (1) with a ballistic missile. The fact is that earlier all Yemeni missiles were beating at a distance of 500 km, and the distance to the attacked Saudi military base from the launch point was at least 700 km.

It became clear that the Yemeni rebels in service had a new type of ballistic missiles.

The veil of "secrets" opened on February 6, when the Hussites struck another blow to Saudi Arabia (at the Mazahimi military base (2) located 20 km west of Riyadh) and uploaded videos to the network.



In the photo we see a very specific missile warhead ("bottleneck"), which is not similar to the standard conical shape of the warhead of the previously used "Syrian" Scuds.

It is obvious that a country torn apart for more than a decade by a civil war cannot produce such high-tech products. Someone obviously helped them. And there were only two such “helpers”: the DPRK and Iran. And, most likely, it was Tehran, and here is why.

Saudi Arabia - the site for Tehran

In Iran, Yemen has long been viewed as a second front in the fight against Saudi Arabia. It was Tehran that revolutionized 2014 in Sana'a, which forced Saudi Arabia to introduce troops into the long-suffering country. It is Iran that has been helping insurgents with instructors, weapons and volunteers from day one to this day. This helped the Huthis withstand the onslaught of the Saudi army for two years. And, most likely, it was Iran that delivered new ballistic missiles to Sana'a, which were then launched at Saudi military targets.

Judging by the very rare launches, the main goal of Iran is not to cause material damage to the enemy. The psychological factor here is no less important. It is also very possible that Tehran turned Yemen into its own fighting ground (like Russia, Syria), where it can safely test its new developments in a real combat situation.

This has its own logic, and in the place of Iranian engineers and the military, it was a sin not to take advantage of this opportunity.

Why "Patriots" did not shoot down Iranian "Scuds"

And now let's try to figure out why the very “Patriots” who quite successfully fought off the attacks of the Yemeni ballistic missiles in the 2015 year cannot just as effectively deal with the new Iranian missiles today.



It should be remembered here that several years ago, a split head for the Shahab-3D ballistic missile was tested in Iran. According to media reports, the new stuffing of Iranian ballistic missiles consists of five warheads, each weighing 220-230 kg. Sharply reduced damaging power was able to compensate for sharply increased accuracy.

Iranian sources claim that they are up to 30 meters, although they are likely to be injected. For the east, this is normal.

And if we assume that one of these units was put on a rocket instead of the 750-kg warhead of the "Syrian" Scud "(or another, but also light), then here is the answer to all the riddles right away. Of course, a new rocket with a lightweight warhead will fly farther and accordingly faster. That will reduce the likelihood of its interception. But the most important point in the physical interception of warheads are its size. The smaller the target, the harder it is to impose an antimissile on it and the more difficult it is to hit it.

Even during the “Storm in the Desert” (in 1991 year) it turned out that the Patriot missile system was in most cases unable to destroy the Scud warhead. Therefore, during the modernization, the weight of the striking parts of the high-explosive fragmentation warhead was increased from 2 to 45 grams, which sharply reduced their numbers. At the same time, the third modernization of the complex to the level of “PAC-3” (namely, such “products” are in service with Saudi Arabia) allowed to increase its accuracy, which made it possible to retain the target probability parameters set within 0,4-0,6 for Scud missiles.

During one of the tests in 1999, it was even possible to knock down a full-time “medium-range” training target based on the second and third stages of the Mini-Man.

But, judging by today's events, it was nevertheless more of an accident than a regularity. Launching five missiles at a ballistic missile with a range of 1000 km and getting an explosion at a shielded airport is definitely a failure for the royal air defense and a great achievement for Iranian missilemen, with which you can congratulate them.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 November 2017 06: 54 New
    24
    this is definitely a failure for the royal air defense

    And another anti-advertisement of American weapons, which, according to Trump, "intercepts missiles in the air, which speaks of high technology not available to other countries," which already smacks of the president’s stupid stupidity. The Japanese managed to breed on the headstock for obsolete air defense systems.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 7 November 2017 10: 49 New
      +5
      If the king of the Saudis is not slipped by the sent dates, then he will last a long time. THAT - he started cleaning up the crown princes. lol
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 7 November 2017 11: 16 New
      13
      I do not argue about anti-advertising. But, I do not see ads in real (non-training) intercepts of our S-300 (400).
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 7 November 2017 12: 28 New
        18
        Quote: bandabas
        I do not argue about anti-advertising. But, I do not see ads in real (non-training) intercepts of our S-300 (400).

        Not so long ago, Americans fluttered "axes" at the Syrian air base in the province of Homs. Of the more than 50 Tamagavks, 36 disappeared along the way, which is equal to one volley of our division ... This is not advertising, just thought)))
        1. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 7 November 2017 20: 59 New
          +5
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          This is not advertising, just thinking)))

          And the Syrian air defense units in the tail and mane beat the Israeli Air Force - is this an advertisement for American technology? Not advertising, just thinking. There is no evidence of the operation of the S-300/400 in non-sterile conditions of the landfill. I think this can be the end of the conversation.
      2. raw174
        raw174 7 November 2017 13: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: bandabas
        But, I do not see ads in real (non-training) intercepts of our S-300 (400).

        So there is no one to intercept ... Or maybe to throw barmels of rockets?)))
    3. Just a man
      Just a man 7 November 2017 12: 34 New
      44
      Advertising is delivered to them what is necessary. But the public real-life shows of the possibilities of American technology are practically zero. Back in 93, at the IDEX-1993 arms exhibition in Abu Dhabi, twice Hero of Socialist Labor, general designer of NPO Almaz, B.V. BUNKIN invited the US air defense delegation to conduct competitive real firing, competitions for the best air defense system. The Americans refused. Moreover, during the firing period of the c300 complex, they interfered with their electronic warfare. Nevertheless, all the air targets that went to the positions of our S-300 division were shot down by our 48N6E missiles. After the success of rocket launches with 300, the Americans generally refused to demonstrate the capabilities of their vaunted Patriot system. These are facts, not drooling "witnesses of the infallible superiority of Western military equipment"
      1. Suhow
        Suhow 11 November 2017 01: 01 New
        0
        I put = + = but I heard this about tanks and not with 300
    4. raw174
      raw174 7 November 2017 13: 01 New
      +9
      Quote: rotmistr60
      that smacks of the president’s stupid stupidity

      And what is the stupidity? He is a businessman, first of all, and advertising is the engine of trade. You do not believe that Domestos kills 99% of known microbes? but the wife still buys yes
  2. Titsen
    Titsen 7 November 2017 06: 59 New
    11
    Success is success, but when will it all end?

    DPRK, Syria, Iran, Iraq ...

    When will these striped finish out?

    Already got to the full the whole world!

    It’s time for all those affected by Matrassia to unite and fight back on the dollar front!
  3. Just a man
    Just a man 7 November 2017 07: 36 New
    28
    No, it cannot be, this is nonsense. As the best air defense system in the world, the most kosher, not shoveling one, having the most modern and high-tech multifunctional radar with a phased array AN / MPQ-65, and the best missile in the PAC-3 complex variant, which does not give even the slightest chance to ours Iskander shooting down him at a distance of 80 km, how this air defense was not able to bring down 5 missiles flying trough.? No, this is a slander. It is confusing, however, that the complex shot down this Yemeni missile right at the airport, right at the aiming point, so to speak, this is probably an invention, since the minimum distance for destroying a target of a patriot air defense is 3 km. So, evil tongues begin to discuss American super weapons, and then some evil spirits start to have different bad doubts, like they don’t believe that the F-35 is 5, 10 goals are not better than Russian planes or that they cannot mash 2 storks over 7 kilometers with its beaks f 35, so that in the next six months it will be under repair. How long?
    1. raw174
      raw174 7 November 2017 13: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Just a man
      It is confusing, however, that the complex shot down this Yemeni rocket right at the airport, so to speak right at the aiming point

      Better late than never! Remember how in the film on a barrel of alcohol, the hero of Evdokimov shot in the hat of the bookkeeper?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 7 November 2017 15: 34 New
        +5
        or maybe the wise Saudis used a cunning ..... wise "dynamic defense" (DZ)? Well .... like ... "like on tanks"? And what? They took the mus .... that is, "DZ containers" and put them on the roof of the buildings (airport, terminals ......)! Go and try to shoot a ball. Rocket capable of getting to any place of the "circle" with a diameter (or maybe a radius?) 10 km? And then .... DZ "like on tanks" (!) ... Well, what, what roof collapsed ?! But in a split second before the roof collapsed, DZ "destroyed" the enemy rocket! That should be said in the Saudi media! And the image of the prince is saved! What is Riyadh terminal? The terminal is nothing (!) .... the image is "EVERYTHING!"
    2. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 7 November 2017 13: 46 New
      +1
      Storks at an altitude of 7 km. ??? belay belay belay

      Please explain.
      1. Black sniper
        Black sniper 7 November 2017 18: 46 New
        +2
        These are the planes of the Russians, the secret name is “White Swan”. bully
      2. pvs512
        pvs512 7 November 2017 19: 12 New
        +9
        This is a statement by the IDF on October 16 on the day of the F-35 strike on the Syrian S-200 battery 50 km from Damascus. "Bird damaged stealth skin." The jet stork must have flown :)
        1. Mikhail Feldman
          Mikhail Feldman 7 November 2017 19: 32 New
          +2
          Is this the first time you hear of bird collisions with airplanes? What is the highest level of competence! ..
      3. psel
        psel 7 November 2017 19: 39 New
        +4
        Siberian cranes fly over the Himalayas for 7 km. This is a record.
      4. Mih1974
        Mih1974 12 November 2017 08: 36 New
        +2
        Izrailtyans themselves are balabolyut such, they got there such "evil storks" that "disable" the infallible Fu-35 for several weeks (And there, in general, everyone will forget that he was tongue ) And of course, of course, this did not coincide in any way with the raid on Syria and the retaliatory shelling of Fu by the Syrians from S-200 laughing laughing
    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit 7 November 2017 19: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Just a man
      Confuses the truth that the complex shot down this Yemeni rocket right at the airport

      It is embarrassing that they generally shot down something (if they shot down of course). And the point here is not even the “boasted” “Patriot” (this also needs to be dealt with), but the Saudis themselves. As my father’s classmate at a military school used to say, who by the way was a military adviser in Yemen in the 80s, “If even the most modern weapons fall into the hands of the Arabs, it either does not work or works very poorly.” This, by the way, explains the fact that the Hussite partisans, for several years now, have successfully opposed one of the most equipped in technical terms, the army of Saudi Arabia.
      1. seal78
        seal78 7 November 2017 22: 54 New
        +4
        But are the Hussites not Arabs?
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 8 November 2017 13: 11 New
          +4
          Arabs, basically. The mentality is different, fingers do not fan out, unlike the Saudis, who at the end snickered.
  4. vlad007
    vlad007 7 November 2017 07: 51 New
    +3
    Stupid note. Why should Yemenis shoot at an international airport? What for? What other goals, for example, an air defense airfield, with airplanes, aren't there?
    From the article it is not clear what all the same happened. It seems that the missile was discovered before the warhead was divided into several, but could not be shot down, because by the time of the meeting with the missile defense, it was already divided into several. So that’s normal. And how to shoot down missiles with multiple warheads? The author did not note that dividing the warhead by several reduces the striking ability of each warhead - it was 750 kg, and it became 5 by 250 kg, feel the difference. Given accuracy, etc. not the fact that it was better than it was before the division. It depends on the goal, etc.
    1. Yurasumy
      7 November 2017 08: 37 New
      10
      What? What is the division? What are you talking about? Do you actually imagine Scud? Nobody ever put an RGM there. YES and judging by the commentary you read the article oooooochen inattentively. Why the hell did you hook the 5 warhead on 250 kg there? It’s on the Iranian BR.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 7 November 2017 15: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: yurasumy
        What? What is the division? What are you talking about? Do you actually imagine Scud? Nobody ever put an RGM there.

        But did the author of the article assert “categorically” that “tama was a“ scud ”(Scud-B)? request
    2. Alex 2016
      Alex 2016 7 November 2017 08: 46 New
      +6
      5x250 = 1250, so, for information)
      1. Yurasumy
        7 November 2017 23: 18 New
        +1
        Read the article again.
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 7 November 2017 09: 05 New
      +9
      Vlad, you read carefully: "Iran’s main goal is not to inflict material damage on the enemy. The psychological factor is no less important here." It is possible that they wanted to show the Saudis: we will get you where we want. They know better than us how the impression on the Saudis will lead that their future king cannot protect his subjects.
      Fig knows them, and maybe the next missile will be directed towards the palace. This will show that the king will get in bed and in need. Let the rocket go 800 meters to the side - it does not matter
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 7 November 2017 11: 36 New
        +1
        This will show that the king will get in bed and in need.

        how stupid death will be, however .. what
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 12 November 2017 08: 39 New
          +2
          Well, compared to "the crown prince died of THirst when moving from city A to city B" belay . And nothing like that, no one "asked too many questions", well, he died and died, well, from thirst, well, as if "it's hot there" laughing
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 12 November 2017 17: 56 New
            +1
            They have more Crown Princes there than in Brazil there are Pedros - and not to count! fellow wink one more, one less - can be attributed to statistics request drinks and for some reason I do not want to feel sorry for this Kodlu hereditary, fattening and preparing barmaley .. soldier
    4. Setrac
      Setrac 7 November 2017 18: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: vlad007
      was 750 kg, and it became 5 to 250 kg,

      Math is our everything!
      1. Yurasumy
        7 November 2017 23: 21 New
        +1
        Counting as we want? The author writes about one block on the Yemeni rocket. In the EU, either 250 kg or 500 kg. What the hell did you get hold of for the 5 * 250 RCGs that are on the Iranian SD SD? Can you imagine how warheads work at all? Do you understand that they can be used separately? Or are you not considering such an option?
    5. pvs512
      pvs512 7 November 2017 19: 00 New
      0
      The note writes that the goal is to catch the fear of the Saudis, the civil international airport is quite suitable for this purpose.
    6. Alexanast
      Alexanast 8 November 2017 11: 19 New
      +6
      what happened


      Provocation, I think so ... Because ...

      Why should Yemenis shoot at an international airport?
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 November 2017 08: 04 New
    +4
    It is important that five rockets were fired, but the result is either not, or it is not obvious. And our S-400s will not get to the Saudis soon ... That's because what a bad luck!
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 7 November 2017 08: 28 New
      +4
      It is clear that the Patriots - this is nonsense in vegetable oil, otherwise Israel would not have begun to develop and implement its missile defense.

      But the most valuable thing in this article is different: the Saudis also use coil tiles! ;)
  6. faiver
    faiver 7 November 2017 08: 26 New
    +7
    there is still a question in the preparation of Saudi warriors - as I understand it there are more show-offs than professionalism ...
    1. Yurasumy
      7 November 2017 08: 38 New
      +1
      Well, as if there is such a moment. Shooting five missiles at such a goal is stupidly pointless.
      1. andj61
        andj61 7 November 2017 09: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: yurasumy
        Well, as if there is such a moment. Shooting five missiles at such a goal is stupidly pointless.

        Why is it pointless? If they couldn’t get into the first two, three, then they could release more ... In Vietnam, the average missile consumption on the B-52 was even more than five - and this was considered an excellent result.
        There are many questions here: How many missiles were launched by the Hussites? Were there any missiles with rgch and how many warheads were on them? Have you hit the warheads or not? Was the explosion near the airport ground (that is, a warhead explosion) or air (from a missile defense)?
        And so - too many speculations on very insignificant and insufficient information. hi
        1. bnm.99
          bnm.99 7 November 2017 19: 28 New
          +3
          5 missiles or more on the B-52 were obtained due to the fact that they were covered by EW aircraft and this example is inappropriate here.
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 7 November 2017 19: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: andj61
          In Vietnam, the average consumption of missiles on the B-52 was even more than five - and this was considered an excellent result.

          Vietnam, was 50 years ago and the S-75, is the second generation air defense system. Over the past time, a lot of things have been invented to compare what was then and what is now, is somewhat incorrect.
          1. andj61
            andj61 8 November 2017 08: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: bnm.99
            5 missiles or more on the B-52 were obtained due to the fact that they were covered by EW aircraft and this example is inappropriate here.

            That's all right - but they did not immediately begin to cover them with special EW aircraft, there were EW funds on the bomber itself. In this case, the triangulation method was used - they shot at the point of location of the greatest interference. When using special EW aircraft, the missile consumption was even more than 5-6. Only here the speed of the B-52 can not be compared with the speed of a warhead - it flies much faster. So it’s quite possible to compare - the reaction time of both air defense systems and the people who control them makes the task of destroying a rocket or its warhead very difficult.
            Quote: Orionvit
            Quote: andj61
            In Vietnam, the average consumption of missiles on the B-52 was even more than five - and this was considered an excellent result.

            Vietnam, was 50 years ago and the S-75, is the second generation air defense system. Over the past time, a lot of things have been invented to compare what was then and what is now, is somewhat incorrect.

            Of course, a lot of things were invented. That's just a missile per 1000 km flies a few minutes (probably 4-7 minutes). During this time, it is necessary to detect the launch, take the target for tracking, give target designation to the air defense system, capture the target, launch and destroy the target. Practice shows that the Arabs simply do not have time to work out in these tough deadlines, although ours, and the Vietnamese, and the Cubans successfully coped with this. And the type of technology, its generation has nothing to do with it - that on the S-75, that on the Patriot - you still need to work it out. As they say, it was not a bobbin - the hollow was in the cab. hi
      2. IL-18
        IL-18 7 November 2017 09: 59 New
        +5
        Another point is that the Saudis will drag the anti-aircraft defense to Riyadh, etc., and the Yemenis will start firing on the closer targets “Points-U” or “Moon”. Something tells me that these devices exist in Yemen.
      3. 9griffon
        9griffon 8 November 2017 20: 45 New
        +3
        according to the S-300 Air Defense System, we have 4 missiles assigned to a ballistic target. the most shitty target, by the way, its capture officers really do not like. and, as more knowledgeable comrades told me, a good result is simply the deviation of the BR from the target, they don’t particularly dream of destruction
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist 7 November 2017 09: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: faiver
    there is still a question in the preparation of Saudi warriors - as I understand it there are more show-offs than professionalism ...

    The same true observation: Pontovy does not mean that they are professionals. In fact, all Arabs can talk more, and then fight
  8. svp67
    svp67 7 November 2017 09: 38 New
    +2
    And there could be only two such "assistants": the DPRK and Iran. And, most likely, it was Tehran, and that's why.
    And the option is when both of these countries work together, using Yemen as a training ground. Otherwise, such a breakthrough in the DPRK rocket technology is difficult to explain ...
    Why "Patriots" could not bring down the "outdated" Yemeni "Scuds"
    Well, they didn’t, they didn’t. Although they tried very hard.
  9. Professor
    Professor 7 November 2017 10: 40 New
    11
    Why "Patriots" could not bring down the "outdated" Yemeni "Scuds"

    And right away:
    The fact is that today, during the period of conducting large-scale information wars, one should not take the word for the interested party.

    So why should we believe the author? request

    And now let's try to figure out why the very “Patriots” who quite successfully fought off the attacks of the Yemeni ballistic missiles in the 2015 year cannot just as effectively deal with the new Iranian missiles today.

    We are waiting for evidence of the author's allegations.

    It should be recalled here that several years ago, a multiple warhead for the Shahab-3D ballistic missile was tested in Iran.

    Well, what's the connection? Shiab 3Д has a range of 2000 km, and here the rocket flew as far as 700 km.

    Even during the Desert Storm (in 1991 year) it became clear that the Patriot air defense missiles in most cases were not able to destroy the Scud warhead.

    ... since they were not intended for this.

    To launch five missiles at a ballistic missile with a range of 1000 km and get an explosion at a covered airport is definitely a failure for the Royal Air Defense and a great achievement for Iranian missile launchers, which you can congratulate them on.

    I read the article to the very end, but did not understand where the author dug up these statistics.

    Administration, return the opportunity to put cons on articles.
    1. shans2
      shans2 7 November 2017 19: 09 New
      +5
      you’ll manage, your sect of Jews, so collectively slaughtered the whole site, right now you are here raiding and from the propaganda department you will begin to minus hundreds of bots, dreaming ...
      1. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 7 November 2017 21: 02 New
        0
        Quote: shans2
        right now you are here raiding and from the propaganda department you start to minus hundreds of bots, dreaming ...

        Hah, funny of course, but only the "ardent patriots" on VO were noticed in the era of minuses. The slightest disagreement with the party line and any dissent was drowned in "Patriotic" anger.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 7 November 2017 23: 11 New
          +1
          I don’t consider the option that you wrote nonsense?) I consider the cons to be definitely returned.
    2. Yurasumy
      7 November 2017 23: 22 New
      +4
      Do you want a formal report? then, you messed up the address. Here the media, not the CIA and not the GRU
  10. turbris
    turbris 7 November 2017 11: 35 New
    0
    The situation is certainly not clear, but again I want to disappoint our "cheers of patriots." SAM "Patriot" - this is not "bullshit in vegetable oil", as some have noted, but a completely effective system, though much depends on the calculation and the specialists who service this system. Soviet air defense systems in the Arab countries were not effective enough, precisely for this reason.
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 7 November 2017 20: 10 New
      +1
      And not for that they introduce homing heads in the Patriots to compensate for the human factor?
      1. alexxxz
        alexxxz 7 November 2017 20: 25 New
        +2
        Apparently, the principle of "shot-and-forget" is also for "not a bang" of patriots ...
  11. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 7 November 2017 12: 19 New
    +5
    During the shelling, the air traffic of the international civil airport was not even interrupted, what is the article about?
    Does the author really think that a ballistic missile hit even nearby would go unnoticed ??
    At the same time, the fragments of 6 missiles (5 missiles launched and 1 missile target) simply had to fall somewhere, nothing surprising.

    He invented stupidity, then, on the basis of the same stupidity, he also concocted an article with "deep" analytics ...
    1. Just a man
      Just a man 7 November 2017 12: 35 New
      +2
      And what, religion does not allow you to watch the video?
      1. Großer feldherr
        Großer feldherr 7 November 2017 12: 42 New
        +2
        Where is the video?
  12. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 7 November 2017 16: 12 New
    12
    Quote: Großer Feldherr
    During the shelling, the air communication of the international civil airport was not even interrupted, what is the article about? Does the author really think that a ballistic missile hit even nearby would go unnoticed ?? At the same time, fragments of 6 missiles (5 missiles launched and 1 target missile ) just had to fall somewhere, nothing surprising. He invented stupidity, then, on the basis of the same stupidity, he also concocted an article with "deep" analytics ...

    If you watched CNN this evening, then everything was clear. First, the start of the Patriots and then a big fire in the area of ​​the airport. They shot everything from a place close to the airport on a smartphone. This picture lasted at least 2-3 hours when the news was reported. By the way, the text accompanying the picture beat that the Saudi missile defense intercepted the Burkan-2N BR. So, they not only noticed the penetration of the BR, but also photographed and showed. Everyone can look at a CNN news feed record on November 4. I think that the whole of Riyadh UTB saw.
    Of course, it will not be possible to destroy a large airport or stop its operation with a single BR with a non-nuclear warhead for a long time. But the fact that 5 Patriots did not bring down one BR is a fact for me.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2017 20: 07 New
      +2
      Neither facts nor rocket debris - so the article, from scratch.
  13. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 7 November 2017 16: 40 New
    +7
    Quote: Großer Feldherr
    Where is the video?

    Watch the November 4, 2017 CNN and Al Jazeera news. The video from the smartphone that shows the start of the Patriots is good, then it exploded and burned in the vicinity of the airport. The fire beat such that in Riyadh they could see.
    Of course, this "fragments" that exploded and made a fire.
    1. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 7 November 2017 16: 59 New
      +1
      Something like this should look like a tactical ballistic missile.
      https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/2016111
      81437-tn39.htm
      And the small fires captured in the video are nothing but the burning of those
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Of course, this is "fragments"

      I repeat, in the sky above Riyadh 6 large missiles exploded, their burning debris could not leave a trace.
      1. viktorR
        viktorR 7 November 2017 18: 27 New
        +2
        Wow small fires ...
  14. Ricardo Dorticos
    Ricardo Dorticos 7 November 2017 17: 00 New
    +1
    Well, the Americans! ------ Well, the bitches of children! ------ Offered the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad such nonsense, and even exorbitantly! ----- And what kind of "crap" did they give to other vassals, for example, former “superhuman” Germans? --------- Or new applicants for the role of “superhuman” Poles? --------- Europinches, they are Europinches! -------- They are all " gobble up "--------- And their" narrow-eyed "" partners "? -------- And they gobble up! ---------- They tremble before the power of CHINA! - -----AND? ------ And they also eat! --------- They definitely eat it! -------- Well then? --------- "SPOP"! --- ----- Gentlemen! ------- And?
    ------- And learn Chinese!
  15. Babalaykin
    Babalaykin 7 November 2017 18: 32 New
    +9
    Yes, they shot her down, shot down the airport.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 7 November 2017 20: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Babalaykin
      Yes, they shot her down, shot down the airport.

      laughing laughing laughing
  16. Black sniper
    Black sniper 7 November 2017 18: 34 New
    +3
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: bandabas
    I do not argue about anti-advertising. But, I do not see ads in real (non-training) intercepts of our S-300 (400).

    Not so long ago, Americans fluttered "axes" at the Syrian air base in the province of Homs. Of the more than 50 Tamagavks, 36 disappeared along the way, which is equal to one volley of our division ... This is not advertising, just thought)))

    Of course, if even one S-300/400 shot, the next day the whole world would know.
  17. Whaler
    Whaler 7 November 2017 18: 46 New
    +2
    The general conclusion is that just one type of MRAU (without an air component) for Riyadh and oil terminals is enough and intermediate goals will be achieved, chaos may well reign in the SA ... and slurry will go to the horizon for 100)) it's all probing, reconnaissance - in battle .... if there are such problems with the interception of a single launch .... and if it is a massive missile strike, in several stages?
  18. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 7 November 2017 18: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: yurasumy
    Well, as if there is such a moment. Shooting five missiles at such a goal is stupidly pointless.

    It would be nice to compare the cost of the ancient Korean Scud with inertial guidance with the cost of 5 US Patriot missiles. There one little thing costs 5 Scuds with smuggling to Yemen! But most likely, it’s just an Amer’s fake - for Trump’s reason to launch “rabid dogs” to Iran FOR THE ATTACK OF A PEACEFUL AIRPORT. In fact, they simply collected some Korean pieces of iron and rushed at the airport, and began to happily take pictures of evidence, spewing fake threats in the direction of Iran and Eun-Korea. Trump needed proofs to extend sanctions against Iran and to press Europe in order to steal the "nuclear deal" with Iran, which Europe has not yet agreed to. But her trump will squeeze! There is our interest here - the more abruptly Trump and his "rabid dogs" are shoving Iran, the more we need him - the ayatolastic security forces are still working against us in Iran. But the dogs will drive them to us! But it’s appropriate to ask our experts - did our Skudas accidentally not roll over somewhere? Perhaps it would be worthwhile to launch them under the name of a Korean brand as a result of the consumption of Amer’s missiles. In a neighborly way, stampers will put us on the most prominent places - and what is the demand from Eun Koreans? Wherever they want, there they put it! And yet - about these amerides: I quote a specialist: "during the firing of the c300 complex, they interfered with their electronic warfare. Nevertheless, all the air targets that went to the positions of our S-300 division were hit by our 48N6E missiles." You have to pay for such an arabazar - so Trump needs to be said right in his arrogant little eyes! And the price somewhere in lard green demand for meanness! At the talks in Vietnam?
    1. bnm.99
      bnm.99 7 November 2017 19: 34 New
      +1
      and have Skudas accidentally not been lying around somewhere? - most likely not - production ceased in 1988, shelf life 25 years.
  19. Black sniper
    Black sniper 7 November 2017 19: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Administration, return the opportunity to put cons on articles.

    RETURN THE MINUS so that garbage on the VO decreases.
  20. Mikhail Feldman
    Mikhail Feldman 7 November 2017 19: 28 New
    +5
    Well, very convincing! Brilliantly! Judging by the quantity and quality of the information provided in the article, the conclusions convince in much the same way as fortunetelling on coffee grounds.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2017 20: 09 New
      +1
      And this article is a fortune-telling on coffee grounds, in general about nothing - so la, la, la.
  21. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 7 November 2017 19: 57 New
    0
    And what kind of reports about the converted missiles of the S-75 complex, used as ballistic missiles ?? Or am I confusing something?
  22. turcom
    turcom 7 November 2017 20: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
    There one little thing costs 5 Scuds with smuggling to Yemen! But most likely, it’s just an Amer’s fake - for Trump’s reason to launch “rabid dogs” to Iran FOR THE ATTACK OF A PEACEFUL AIRPORT. In fact, they simply collected some Korean pieces of iron and rushed at the airport, and began to happily take pictures of evidence, spewing fake threats in the direction of Iran and Eun-Korea.


    Why should they bother so much? Theirs SNN like this will publish everything, and the rest of the "whole world" all this burger and shavat
  23. Old26
    Old26 7 November 2017 20: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Quote: yurasumy
    What? What is the division? What are you talking about? Do you actually imagine Scud? Nobody ever put an RGM there.

    But did the author of the article assert “categorically” that “tama was a“ scud ”(Scud-B)? request

    What there was no one knows. For all the time, only once did the Yemeni voiced the type of rocket. Now, regarding the possibility of interception and not interception. The author says in vain that in the arsenal of Saudi Arabia there are only “Patriots” of the PAC-3 model. The bulk of the missiles they have is just PAC-2, and not PAC-3, which is adapted to intercept ballistic targets.
    What rockets the Hussites used - there is no information in this case. It’s one thing if it was a rocket with an inseparable warhead and PROshniks had to shoot at its body (getting easier, but knocking it off the track is harder) and completely different if the head is detachable. To hit the small speed target is an untreated task. In general, intercepting missiles of such a range is always a more difficult task. than intercepting missiles with a range of 1,5-2 thousand kilometers. Here the "lack of time" is at the forefront

    Quote: yurasumy
    What? What is the division? What are you talking about? Do you actually imagine Scud? Nobody ever put an RGM there. YES and judging by the commentary you read the article oooooochen inattentively. Why the hell did you hook the 5 warhead on 250 kg there? It’s on the Iranian BR.

    This is not about a “clean” SCADA, but about one of its Iranian versions equipped with 5 warheads (I suspect it is of a cluster type, that is, without individual guidance). There are no more "clean" SCADAS in that region. Yemen, and so there were not so many. And during the war years, part was destroyed, part was shot. Now there are likely Iranian "products"

    Quote: shans2
    you’ll manage, your sect of Jews, so collectively slaughtered the whole site, right now you are here raiding and from the propaganda department you will begin to minus hundreds of bots, dreaming ...

    Honestly for the articles, it would be worth returning the cons. Sometimes this blizzard happens ....
    1. Yurasumy
      8 November 2017 00: 59 New
      0
      STOP. This is an Iranian version equipped with ONE warhead (250 kg or 500 kg), not 5 * 250 kg. I am simply amazed at the commentators who attribute to the author what he did not write. Moreover, they love any ambiguity or incomprehensibility, for some reason they interpret aside "the author does not understand that 750 kg is lighter than 1250 kg. The author does not and he understands that 750 kg is lighter than 250 kg. It is strange that several brilliant commentators such a simple thought does not fit into the head.
  24. Morrrow
    Morrrow 7 November 2017 21: 32 New
    0
    Fingered article. Does the author have anything other than doubt?
  25. privateer2000
    privateer2000 7 November 2017 21: 53 New
    +1
    Haaaahaaaaa. Generally funny of course. Well, in general Yementsi youth. Guys. come on! come on! .. hahaaaaaa ... KC2000
  26. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 7 November 2017 22: 36 New
    0
    Nothing conclusive and concrete ... But a lot of bukoff. Another ... on the topic - "How everything is bad in Omeryg" ...
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 7 November 2017 22: 57 New
      +1
      Here recently in the Russian media, the Iron Dome was blamed. Competitors. Juggled with facts. But they didn’t say what kind of Russian system is very effective in a real combat clash.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 7 November 2017 23: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Shahno
        But they didn’t say what kind of Russian system is more effective in real combat

        Well, they just have nothing to say ... Any weapon and people with this weapon can only be verified in real war. The rest of the chatter in peacetime, just chatter ...
  27. Cetron
    Cetron 7 November 2017 22: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: Black Sniper
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: bandabas
    I do not argue about anti-advertising. But, I do not see ads in real (non-training) intercepts of our S-300 (400).

    Not so long ago, Americans fluttered "axes" at the Syrian air base in the province of Homs. Of the more than 50 Tamagavks, 36 disappeared along the way, which is equal to one volley of our division ... This is not advertising, just thought)))

    Of course, if even one S-300/400 shot, the next day the whole world would know.

    Recently there was a note that 36 axes were cut down by a link of fighter interceptors, one simply did not fly. 23 Tomahawk repulsed Syrian air defense, 10 turned off, the rest flocked to an empty airfield. Everyone is happy - the Americans showed the strength of the president’s decisiveness, the Syrians checked the old but workable air defense, Russian flyers in real conditions shot at a potential enemy in the Kyrgyz Republic. Everything is honest, no offense. I have the honor.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 7 November 2017 23: 01 New
      +3
      Wow, this should be recorded in the annals. And you are hiding everything. But what about photography. Installation?
    2. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 7 November 2017 23: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Cetron
      Everything is honest, no offense. I have the honor.

      Do not get carried away with the films “about White Guard officers”, the young man is military-romantic ... As for the note that you are talking about with childish naivety, it’s time to understand that without facts in the form of material evidence, documents, photos and videos with an assessment experts, the price of that note is just a laugh ... Do you want me to give you a bunch of links to articles about how flying saucers with aliens shoot down fighters? Even the video is stuck to such articles ... Believe me?
      1. Cetron
        Cetron 8 November 2017 00: 07 New
        +3
        1. I have not been a young man for years, although a romantic.
        2. The USSR took the oath and did not run from the war, but I have the honor.
        3. For what I bought - for what I sold. But how to explain the loss of 36 axes, just did not fly? S-300 and S-400 did not work, and the flyers of Syria and Russia have full control of the airspace of the ATS. In the video frames, the results of the strike at the airdrome are not impressive, even a dozen CRs should have blown everything to hell, but this is not.
        4. The aliens did not hit, did not see (I do not dabble with drugs - maximum cognac)
        5. Where did you read? If it’s very interesting, I can look for a link, but not now, it's time to sleep — tomorrow for work.
        1. Fedya2017
          Fedya2017 8 November 2017 00: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Cetron
          But how to explain the loss of 36 axes, just did not fly?

          Who told you that they didn’t fly? ... How and how is this confirmed? Here is the Minister of Defense Shoigu, I remember once said that - "The civil war in Syria is over" ... Three months have already passed after his statement, and there everyone is at war and at war ... But your link is not needed, dear. Well to hell with them all ...
  28. Old26
    Old26 8 November 2017 11: 13 New
    0
    Quote: yurasumy
    STOP. This is an Iranian version equipped with ONE warhead (250 kg or 500 kg), not 5 * 250 kg. I am simply amazed at the commentators who attribute to the author what he did not write. Moreover, they love any ambiguity or incomprehensibility, for some reason they interpret aside "the author does not understand that 750 kg is lighter than 1250 kg. The author does not and he understands that 750 kg is lighter than 250 kg. It is strange that several brilliant commentators such a simple thought does not fit into the head.

    The author did not state this. He only wrote that the firing ranges were different (indicating the distance) and this could be achieved by reducing the weight of the warhead. And he himself mentioned the Iranian “Shehab-3D” with the RGCh. What they shot at the airport is unknown. Maybe a monoblock, or maybe a missile with a rgc. For the area of ​​destruction of 5 charges of less power is greater than one large.

    Quote: Shahno
    Here recently in the Russian media, the Iron Dome was blamed. Competitors. Juggled with facts. But they didn’t say what kind of Russian system is very effective in a real combat clash.

    And they will not say. Since only complexes of the S-75, S-125, S-200 type took part in a real combat collision. Neither the “three hundred” nor the “four hundred” were in the battle yet. And it’s not possible to judge their effectiveness
  29. Protos
    Protos 8 November 2017 11: 27 New
    0
    Quote: raw174
    Quote: rotmistr60
    that smacks of the president’s stupid stupidity

    And what is the stupidity? He is a businessman, first of all, and advertising is the engine of trade. You do not believe that Domestos kills 99% of known microbes? but the wife still buys yes

    And it’s true - Domestos is chlorine-containing, and Chlorine is the best disinfector to date!
    Learn the materiel and read the inscriptions on the labels! laughing
  30. Old26
    Old26 8 November 2017 12: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Captain Nemo
    And what kind of reports about the converted missiles of the S-75 complex, used as ballistic missiles ?? Or am I confusing something?

    Well, in principle, the Iranians have such missiles. This is their version of the Chinese missile, created on the basis of the missile complex S-75. The Iranians have the designation "Tondar-69." But whether it was used this time or not is unknown
  31. Old26
    Old26 9 November 2017 07: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Bob57
    That's who can bring down the Patriot in the lung!

    Nonsense is not necessary to write
  32. Old26
    Old26 11 November 2017 19: 46 New
    0
    Quote: fake
    The goal is to cut off the "Shiite" power of Iran, its hands from Yemen, Lebanon and Iraq.

    Well, Iran is cut off from the first two. KSA blocks the coast along with the coalition, so the Hussites can fire at KSA only with what they have. The Israeli Navy can easily block, which makes the EMNIP the ability to transport missiles.

    Quote: fake
    We asked the Lebanese military expert for his opinion, and he believes that if Hezbollah and Hamas simultaneously launch thousands of modern missiles, the Iron Dome will be broken. What can Patriot missile defense do if Iran launches tens of thousands of such missiles? What will Syria do?
    Do they have these thousands of rockets? Hezbollah and Hamas? It is good if this quantity is measured in hundreds (missiles) and dozens of launchers. In addition to the Patriot, Israel also has its own missile defense systems. Well, Iran’s tens of thousands of rockets aren’t even science fiction. Sturgeon should be cut every 10 times, and the number of start-ups is even greater

    The expert pointed out that it took six Patriot interceptors to intercept the Burkan H2 missile over Riyadh Airport. How many such missiles are in the arsenals of Saudi Arabia and the UAE? It should be borne in mind that both states have at their disposal powerful air forces equipped with F-16 and F-15 fighters and Tornado and Eurofighter.

    So what? In principle, a completely normal outfit of anti-aircraft missiles. Even with a certain margin. How many such missiles are in the arsenals - so who will tell you. Usually consider launchers, not missiles.
  33. pvs512
    pvs512 12 November 2017 10: 23 New
    0
    Quote: psel
    Siberian cranes fly over the Himalayas for 7 km. This is a record.

    And Putin’s Siberian Cranes can launch bombing missiles :)