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The degradation of patriotism - "Russian march" in lines - from McDonald's to "iPhone"

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That turn in 1990, I happened to see with my own eyes - and I never felt so ashamed of my country. Casual reading today about the sale by the "gang of Chechens" of places in the queue for "iPhone" and seeing the title pictures of skinny "loafers with a burning eye", I involuntarily compare this "highly intelligent" cattle with people in that line and I understand that in fact everything is as bad as it seems.

The degradation of patriotism - "Russian march" in lines - from McDonald's to "iPhone"


First of all, they were actually two orders of magnitude smaller:



Somehow I got a cadet from Moldova. Little, little black, all the notes kept in Moldovan. Apparently his entire intellectual potential was just to translate from Russian and went away, because he was not able, in principle, to learn English, even in the truncated framework of the course required for OSNAZ. I suffered with him for about four months, until somehow, having exhausted all reasonable arguments, I didn’t hit the high calm: “Don't you understand that you are responsible for the warning about a nuclear strike on your Motherland?” To which he received in response: "I am from a small Moldovan village, they will not bomb us."

In general ("montage, baby"), on this we parted. I went to Cuba, and he - ditches to dig into the construction battalion.

I remember, I was worried for a long time. Then, in the Caucasus, fate brought me together with Major Samoil Dmitrievich Bezhenar. The most intelligent Moldavian, deputy for the armament of the reconnaissance of the "Iranian" division. Who returned to me faith in the people of Moldova. Years later, I realized that that cadet was alone in the squad. One to three dozen different, but still adequate young people. Understand where they serve and what they will have to do.

Similarly, the situation with these "waiting list." Yes, they are full of Peter and Moscow, the same Ekaterinburg. There is a lot of noise from them, because they are not only active in social networks, they are also abundant in the journalistic get-together. And on television, they are not the majority. Most of them are unprincipled, but they value true Western values ​​- status and money are above all for them.

And there is still a marginalized younger party of youngsters who dream of becoming the same - in green pants, with dreadlocks in the ear and the iPhone of the latest model. They are piling up bulk, promising a minute of glory and money for everything at once from the ECHR for hanging on a lamppost. How many are there? 10 thousand dollars? And how many have paid?

Plus, on the contrary, very ideological. "Russian nationalists" are called. They constantly find out among themselves which of them is “real” and who is like that - it went out for a walk. However, it became easy to separate this part after the Maidan in Ukraine - the real ones went to the “separatists”. And some simply left to fight first in the basements of the Kiev mayor's office, and then to the Donbass - some in the "Azov", some in other neo-Nazi divisions of the Kiev regime. Some, of course, turned out to be among ideologues - some with Saakashvili, some with Poroshenko.

Well, part, of course, remained to agitate at home. Who smarter. Or cowardly. These are not difficult to identify. They are waiting for "up to five minutes to midnight." And when "Putin’s regime staggered, they would seize power and lead Russia on the path to a great future." In the meantime, this “patiniutka” has not arrived, they are talking about “tens of millions of traitors in Ukraine” and “stupid bydl” in Russia, which supports the regime, preventing them from “swinging” it.

It’s just because of these tens of millions of "there" that the Russophobic regime could not strengthen itself. Well, he has no support inside, there is no that “stupid cattle”, which is in Russia and which is not any cattle.

But they are just, all these dozen or more than tens of millions, and there are true patriots of Russia. They do not stand in line for "iPhones" and do not go on pseudo-Russian marches - they have neither extra money nor extra time.

They work to feed their families and raise their children. And they almost every day criticize Putin and criticize the government. For bad roads, for the theft of officials, for the eternal everyday problems. But for them it is not an end in itself or a profession. And criticizing the government, they will come and vote for Putin or his successor, and not for gorlopanov.

Today (November 5), I looked at the Ministry of Defense website for congratulations to military intelligence and accidentally fell on the polls conducted by the Ministry.



These are the real numbers in the country. People see and more than 90 understand that roars take on the air, in the media, in their lives, too much space. Unreasonably much. And they consider that the state, headed by President Vladimir Putin of Russia, does not pay enough attention to the education of youth and patriotism.

Because in our real life, Russia is surviving thanks to simple and inconspicuous people. Who are building not just the Crimean Bridge day by day, they are building a bridge to the future. In the future of Russia. Do it yourself

Maybe it is pathetic, but true.
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  1. tasha
    tasha 7 November 2017 15: 28 New
    10
    And criticizing the authorities, they will come and vote for Putin or his successor, and not for the gorlopans.


    Some part because there is no one else for it and it would not be worse ... But what if everything is built on this? request
    1. Lnglr
      Lnglr 7 November 2017 15: 32 New
      15
      the whole essence of the elections in Russia. Through the grotesquely moronic opposition to deprive the alternative.
      Incidentally, "with dreadlock in the ear" - What is it like? What does the author write about? wassat
      1. 210ox
        210ox 7 November 2017 16: 09 New
        11
        Well, he probably knows that the dreadlock is on his head .. And the ear is there .. It’s not in these rubbish, but why they brought these people to the trash .. The state lacks ideology. But the consumer society has an ideology, and they live by it ..
        Quote: Lnglr
        the whole essence of the elections in Russia. Through the grotesquely moronic opposition to deprive the alternative.
        Incidentally, "with dreadlock in the ear" - What is it like? What does the author write about? wassat
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 7 November 2017 16: 15 New
        +8
        Quote: Lnglr
        "with dreadlocks in the ear" - how is it?
        You make tunnels in your ears and put a couple of dreadlocks in them. Business something. wassat Stylish trendy youth! lol
      3. bk316
        bk316 7 November 2017 19: 10 New
        +7
        the whole essence of elections in Russia

        All over the world, elections are a fiction, where through a moronic opposition (Russia), where through populism (Ukraine), where through the illusion of rivalry (USA), etc. etc. Nowhere is there any elected authority, and indeed it was not.
    2. Vasily Krylov
      Vasily Krylov 7 November 2017 15: 49 New
      +6
      I am the very part that is described in the article. And the fears expressed by you have repeatedly crossed my mind. When I think about this topic, I conclude that this is manipulation, but when it was different. The main thing is that there was hope, and not that hopelessness that was in the 90s. And most importantly. They do not choose their homeland and parents. Regards.
    3. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 7 November 2017 21: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: tasha
      But what if everything is built on this?

      Do you still doubt it? ...
    4. dSK
      dSK 8 November 2017 00: 22 New
      11
      Metropolitan Gorlovsky and Slavic Mitrofan | November 6, 2017
      “From a legal point of view, Prince Dimitry Pozharsky rebelled against the lawful rulers, against the legitimate sovereign who was in Moscow and seemed to have all the rights to rule the people. The prince gathered around himself a militia and went to free the city from his“ rule. ”Pozharsky was called a traitor and a traitor at that time, but today he’s a national hero and monuments are erected to him. This example shows very clearly that the Motherland is not the president and not the government, not the majority in the Verkhovna Rada or any other parliament. The motherland is the land on which we live according to which we walk, which we love, from which we can never refuse, how impossible it is to abandon parents.
      To love the Motherland does not mean to love some party, left or right, any politician or ruler. To love the Motherland is to love the land on which you live, and to do everything so that this land does not go bankrupt, but flourishes, so that life on it becomes better. It’s not the one who waves the flag or shouts patriotic slogans who loves his homeland, but the one who does not steal, does not rob, does not deceive, who has compassion, helps those who are next to him, build and build this land, and not destroy, do not make it lifeless desert. " Two hands for! hi
      1. Cat Marquis
        Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 07: 26 New
        +8
        Yes, it’s as if the author were not right in the type that they would “vote for Putin” because here they are “simple”, “unpretentious” people, “the salt of the earth” and all that .... yes it’s not they’ll only vote because the GDP has set itself up with such “rivals” that only a sick person will vote for them wholeheartedly ... although this is speaking of middle age ... here we have a lot of young people in the company and judging by their conversations, they will go and vote precisely for the Horse, for Berkova and Anal — some do not hide why- "out of harm" ... By the way, I will also vote for the Horse and also "out of harm", since this gentleman (GDP) for so many years the authorities did not bother to worry about the "state ideology" ....
      2. aleksandrs95
        aleksandrs95 11 November 2017 23: 13 New
        0
        golden words and essence.
    5. Arkady Gaidar
      Arkady Gaidar 8 November 2017 08: 22 New
      +3
      And there is. This is the basis for many methods of persuasion: "worthy man and clowns." Those who understand the methods of propaganda immediately see these tricks. The Communists had, Nicholas the Bloody, "Bloody Sunday". And about the bloody Novocherkask, the times of Khrushchev and now keep quiet. After all, the bourgeois are liars and clowns, and the Communists, they are good))
  2. Greenwood
    Greenwood 7 November 2017 15: 41 New
    12
    And criticizing the authorities, they will come and vote for Putin or his successor, and not for the gorlopans.
    God, are you fed up with this balcony agitation? If I do not like the situation in the country, and I scold Putin, then why should I continue to vote for him? The logic of the author is hard to understand.
    That turn in 1990 I had a chance to see with my own eyes - and I have never been so ashamed of my country. Reading casually today about the sale by the “gang of Chechens” of places in the line behind the “iPhone” and seeing the title photographs of the skinny “young men with burning eyes”, I involuntarily compare this “highly intellectual” with the people in that line
    The considerable Russian population often continues to reason and reflect in the style of "everything Russian sucks, ours don’t know how to do anything; but America, Europe, Japan, Korea are cool" and they buy everything imported. Even the study was carried out: release the same product with an emblem in Russian and with an emblem in English, and eventually buy the one in English. Both China and Japan, for the most part, overcame mentally reverence for America and mostly preferred domestic goods. We are still far from this.
    1. tasha
      tasha 7 November 2017 15: 51 New
      +2
      If I do not like the situation in the country, and I scold Putin, then why should I continue to vote for him? The logic of the author is hard to understand.


      Pros - Because 90 is still not so far ..
      Against - because the dollar at 30 rubles is very close wink
    2. max702
      max702 8 November 2017 00: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Greenwood
      Both China and Japan, for the most part, overcame mentally reverence for America and mostly preferred domestic goods. We are still far from this.

      Here you are somewhat mistaken, reverence is also very strong because America has given them nothing of their own, but what they buy "their own" is already a competent policy of the authorities of these countries .. This is stupidly economically beneficial .. Ours have not yet reached this understanding. .
  3. HAM
    HAM 7 November 2017 15: 47 New
    14
    The whole point is in this rhyme.
  4. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 7 November 2017 18: 05 New
    17
    Dear author! I am one of those who have no time to stand in lines for iPhones, go to rallies of EdRa or Navalny, attend McDonald's. I am almost 45 and I have not even been to McDonald's! It is just important for me to feed, dress, put on shoes, raise children. And that is precisely why neither I nor my relatives go to vote for Putin. It is thanks to him that similar exorcises take place in my country!
    1. Cadet
      Cadet 7 November 2017 18: 24 New
      10
      I agree with you, most of my peers were not in the McDuck and they don’t have the money to buy an iPhone, although people work as operators on CNC machines, because they pay a mortgage and think which carriage to buy for a child, or the fact that a person wears pigtails or something else a hairstyle is not an indicator of patriotism and love for the motherland. Knowing many retired military colonels at work, I can say that rarely one of their sons and sons-in-law served in our army, as they squandered through communications. written in the article is nonsense.
      1. bk316
        bk316 7 November 2017 19: 06 New
        +2
        the majority of my peers were not in the McDuck

        Why?
        1. Cadet
          Cadet 7 November 2017 19: 10 New
          +1
          and what to do there, the youth is different
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 7 November 2017 19: 41 New
          0
          What to do there? If it will be necessary to prosrat health, it is easier in other ways, at least it will be free.
        3. gm9019
          gm9019 11 November 2017 23: 58 New
          0
          Quote: bk316
          Why?

          and the food is harmful there! stop such a blow to the stomach, liver, and pancreas, that mom is not grieving! belay It’s a joke to say that for two months the local french fries are in the jar and do not mold and do not rot. Netushki, we don’t need this kind of good! negative
      2. astronom1973n
        astronom1973n 8 November 2017 06: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Cadet
        Knowing many retired military colonels at work, I can say that rarely one of their sons and sons-in-law served in our army, as they squandered through communications. written in the article is nonsense.

        I myself belong to the category
        Quote: Cadet
        retired military colonels

        but the child served, everyone served my comrades. And your words are your vision of the problem. It’s good that most people don’t think so. And they took a nickname that didn’t suit you as a “cadet.” Change, don’t get dirty!
    2. bk316
      bk316 7 November 2017 19: 04 New
      +2
      country like exorcises

      Who happens thanks to Putin?
      Explain your point, please.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 7 November 2017 19: 15 New
        0
        Do you know the words sarcasm and humor?
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 November 2017 06: 43 New
      0
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      exorcises

      I understood everything, except for this last mysterious word. what
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 08: 29 New
        +1
        :-) Well, still easy! This is a remake of the word excesses in relation to the prefix exo.
    4. Soho
      Soho 8 November 2017 06: 55 New
      0
      And that is precisely why neither I nor my relatives go to vote for Putin.

      very stupid position. People go to the polls to vote for a worthy candidate on the basis of their own point of view, and not for or against Putin.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 08: 30 New
        +5
        Do you see a decent person there? See-vote! I do not see any worthy ones in this booth. Your position is no less stupid.
        1. Soho
          Soho 8 November 2017 09: 54 New
          0
          I do not see any worthy ones in this booth. Your position is no less stupid.

          If you are not satisfied with any candidate, then why do you go to the polls in principle ??? And if you don’t go, then why precisely because of Putin. So you have already decided that it’s not nice for you, otherwise you have an elderberry in your garden, and an uncle in Kiev ....
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 10: 04 New
            +6
            Following the old Jewish tradition, I will answer the question with the question: And where does it say that I am not going to the polls because of Putin? I don’t go to the polls because I don’t see a worthy candidate! Fershteyn? And I criticize the authorities for the fact that in fact it is comprador. We are ruled by oligarchs in a compartment with neoliberals. By the way, neither elder nor uncle are in the head. Who I am thinking clearly is clearly stated.
            1. Soho
              Soho 8 November 2017 10: 33 New
              +1
              I have roofing felts with sight tight, roofing felts with your memory
              andrej-shironov Yesterday, 18:05
              Dear author! I am one of those who have no time to stand in lines for iPhones, go to rallies of EdRa or Navalny, attend McDonald's. I am almost 45 and I have not even been to McDonald's! It is just important for me to feed, dress, put on shoes, raise children. And that is precisely why neither I nor my relatives go to vote for Putin. It is thanks to him that similar exorcises take place in my country!

              By the way, about the clarity of thinking, the advice is: to understand whether a subject, phenomenon or event is bad or good, they usually analyze it on the basis of “it was-it’s”, and not on the principle of “I don’t have enough dough for an iPhone, just to feed the little ones”.
              Regarding oligarchic rule, the problem is not the presence of the oligarchs themselves (in the same States, in both houses of Congress people are far from poor and lobbying for interests primarily of big business). The problem of our oligarchy is different.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 8 November 2017 11: 01 New
                +4
                The problem of the whole planet is the very presence of these very aligarchs. General evil
                1. Soho
                  Soho 9 November 2017 04: 44 New
                  +1
                  in terms of sheep, wolves are always evil laughing
              2. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 16: 39 New
                +1
                It was written about Putin, because he was mentioned in the article. Do you really think that I did not analyze what happened and what is? Even in the rotten 90s, I lived better, and not because there were no families and children. They are not at all interested in the problems of the oligarchy, just as they do not care about my problems. I consider the existing system of oligarchic neoliberalism destructive for Russia.
                1. Soho
                  Soho 9 November 2017 04: 55 New
                  0
                  Even in the rotten 90s I lived better

                  as usual - an attempt to pass off personal failures as a fall in the standard of living of the whole country. Who knows what you were doing there in the dashing 90s, maybe the markets were roofing lol
                  you tell some fairy tales, as if the only one who survived from those years)) But I remember from that time a massive non-payment of salaries (at best it was given out by what the company produces), plant downtime (when the plant worked 2 days a week ), inflation is so frantic that wages depreciated before we received it. Banditry is such that wagons were taken for a gop-stop right in the center of the city ... and so on. etc. So do not whine about the happy time of the 90s negative
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 9 November 2017 09: 45 New
                    +2
                    No, God was merciful, was not connected with crime. I also did not receive a salary for half a year, but at the same time I had the opportunity to work on the side, I learned with that money, first got a college education and then the first higher education. Now I often can’t even earn extra money, because people barely make ends meet. And I never wrote about the happy time of the 90s. The cost of services in housing and communal services, and the cost of gasoline was not so ceiling.
  5. Sedoy
    Sedoy 7 November 2017 18: 25 New
    +4
    "Russian March"

  6. wei
    wei 7 November 2017 18: 28 New
    17
    We must not talk about patriotism, it must be done. what's the use of a patriarch reading a sermon on not acquiring, and then leaving for the Mercedes-Benz S-Klasse Pullman or Cadillac Escalade. Deputies whose children are studying in the West and living there. Even talking about sanctions products they eat cheeses and hams from Europe.
    How can one not recall Stalin, his own son who has not been exchanged for a "general" ....
    1. bk316
      bk316 7 November 2017 19: 18 New
      +4
      And what does the patriarch's money-grubbing and cadillac ride have to do with it?
      You would not write words whose meaning you do not understand.

      Exactly what is wrong with studying in the West?

      And how many children of generals have died in recent years in the army?

      And yes, we must create, not speak. So suppose you are offered a good salary and the opportunity to do what you love in the USA, will you go?
      1. Alf
        Alf 7 November 2017 22: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: bk316
        And what does the patriarch's money-grubbing and cadillac ride have to do with it?

        Great. To teach one, but to do it yourself is the opposite.
        Quote: bk316
        Exactly what is wrong with studying in the West?

        If there was only TEACHED, then it’s okay. But the fact is that instead of studying there they instill their own psychology, Western way of thinking and Western values, and we see more and more agents of influence, "Ivanov, who don’t remember kinship."
        Quote: bk316
        So suppose you are offered a good salary and the opportunity to do what you love in the USA, will you go?

        No. Apparently, it is very difficult for you to understand that there are other values ​​besides money.
        1. bk316
          bk316 8 November 2017 17: 03 New
          +3
          Alf

          Why are you responsible for another?
          Is it your Bolsheviks so the brain collectively works?

          And now the points:
          - money-grubbing is an indefatigable passion for obtaining wealth, riding a good car has nothing to do with it;
          -if a person is inculcated with “values” and he is inculcated, that means he is already ready to become an agent of influence, that is, in other words, the Iron Curtain is ineffective, as you have seen from the Bolsheviks, but you have not learned lessons;
          - It’s not difficult for me to understand about other values, but I know for sure that THOSE WHO MORELY SCREAM VALUES YELLOW, FOR MONEY, MOTHER'S Native SELL. All our traitors are your members of the same party: humpbacked, ebn, boerboels, gaydarki and even Nemtsov. All of them at party meetings and political information spoke for hundreds of hours "about other values," your comments are very similar to their words ...
  7. Ganssh
    Ganssh 7 November 2017 19: 06 New
    +6
    Gentlemen, comrades, brothers, etc. etc.! Choose further by status - gentlemen, middle class, proletarians,, insurgents, provocateurs and simply traitors of the Country.
    I have been reading the site for a long time. Sometimes it causes indignation, sometimes a smile, sometimes other feelings. I must say right away, I voted for Putin ... yes I read and .... yes, as in the cartoon, "choose the best of the worst" ... do you have another choice? What do you drive this topic? And I’ll tell the truth ... if he comes again and I don’t know anyone else for this post ... but if I know then I won’t give my vote (but to me for 50), I will vote for him. Vote against. I must say right away that there would be no rumors, I know how the votes go (I was an observer in the 6th election), so I do not need to talk about them. The other has no chance yet. And who has what is against my opinion, I am ready on August 2, although not the Airborne Forces, but the PSS to meet and discuss everything that happens in Our country behind the bar.
    Respectfully to all ...
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 7 November 2017 19: 21 New
      +9
      There is always a choice! At least it’s not worth it to manipulate the authorities again! I am also almost 45, but neither I nor my relatives are going to vote for Putin. We decided to ignore this booth. Regards to you.
      1. Ganssh
        Ganssh 7 November 2017 19: 38 New
        +2
        nothing ... Your voices go away anyway. and I can also say - it’s like a tortoise - I’m inside - when they make soup, it doesn’t matter where you are ... No, I’m not against the count - against everyone, but she’s not. so that you choose anyway ...
        With respect ))
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 08: 33 New
          +1
          Perhaps my voices will be attached to someone, there is a chance, I do not exclude it. The main thing for me is that my conscience be clear. Tell me how you will feel if it turns out that you are being manipulated, no matter who?
      2. Alf
        Alf 7 November 2017 22: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        but neither I nor my relatives are going to vote for Putin.

        So it is impossible, EP only expects this from you. Do not want Putin, go vote for anyone, so your vote will not disappear and will not go for EP.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 08: 37 New
          +1
          But if I go to vote I will surely give my votes to a “worthy” candidate. And the authorities are interested in having more people come to the polls; this creates the illusion of a democratic election process. And this element of power is necessary to show the west that people are indifferent to power. And so I demonstrate that the current government is not interesting to me and its activities are not interesting to it.
      3. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 8 November 2017 13: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        There is always a choice! At least it’s not worth it to manipulate the authorities again! I am also almost 45, but neither I nor my relatives are going to vote for Putin. We decided to ignore this booth. Regards to you.

        If you do not come to vote, your newsletter will "vote" for "who needs it." Do you need this? Come to the polls, draw extra. square “against all” and ticking it is not difficult, but there is a guarantee that your vote will not be stolen by the next .... (censorship), because the paper will be damaged.
        That’s how the beasts were arranged - they took and removed "against all", "shit" filthy.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 16: 40 New
          +1
          Sorry, but I wrote the answer to this question above.
  8. Antares
    Antares 7 November 2017 20: 05 New
    +2
    Society is disorganized, disoriented, and unprofitable.
    In troubled waters, it’s easier for someone to fish than to organize a people, it is still unknown what people can do.
    And here are 2 theories about people as a crowd, and people with ideological and talented leaders.
  9. igorra
    igorra 7 November 2017 20: 54 New
    +5
    In 2000, in my opinion, in our city of Ufa, the Turks reconstructed the Living Rooms and the authorities drove students out of universities to open them. During the ceremony, the Turks began a free distribution of cans of cola or Pepsi, I don’t remember, there was such a stampede and a fight, as if the students had been driven out of the hungry lands. The Turkish hard workers are standing, laughing, at the same time taking off the wild "Russians", here he took such a shame, although he would fall through the ground, he was ready to put these cans in the students' asses and open it there for a feeling of unearthly joy. It was especially murderous that this is our future damn thing, which a person laughs at, from a country 10% illiterate and which our ancestors periodically taught "mind-wisdom"
  10. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 7 November 2017 21: 08 New
    +3
    The author wants to "forbid and not let go" ??! ... But he did not think. why were there such lines in these McDonald's after decades of state propaganda of patriotism?
  11. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 7 November 2017 21: 46 New
    +5
    That's exactly how the union skipped a beat. And the army seemed to be strong and the Americans were almost caught up. But at the top they got tired of eating behind the curtain and decided to abolish state property so that you could hang out as you like. Now, apparently, a new round. Now, the boyars need an emperor to be at the trough forever, and the cooks will interrupt the children. Well, under Stalin there were no alternative elections, but now why is everything as always?
  12. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 7 November 2017 22: 52 New
    +3
    Under the USSR, enough time was devoted to youth and its upbringing, but this USSR did not save from the disintegration and betrayal of the elite that they brought up.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 7 November 2017 23: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      but this USSR did not save from the disintegration and betrayal of the elite that had been brought up.

      The fact of the matter is that the fish begins to rot - from the head ... And the scales are stripped from it - from the tail.
      1. dSK
        dSK 8 November 2017 04: 58 New
        +3
        "So anyone who hears these words of My and fulfills them, I will liken them to a prudent man who built his house on a stone; and it began to rain, and the rivers spilled, and the winds blew, and rushed upon that house, and he did not fall, because it was based on a stone.
        And everyone who hears these My words and does not fulfill them will be likened to a foolish man who built his house in the sand; and it began to rain, and the rivers spilled, and the winds blew, and lay upon that house; and he fell, and his great fall was. " And when Jesus he finished these words, the people marveled at his doctrine, for he taught them as having authority, and not as scribes and Pharisees. "

        "A body without a soul is a corpse, a soul without a body is a ghost."
        1. dSK
          dSK 8 November 2017 05: 27 New
          +2
          Jesus Christ healed, raised the dead, cast out devils, performed miracles and said: "Go and sin, your faith has saved you". Read the Gospel, they are not large, but very capacious, they do not have" empty "words. Http://days.pravoslavie.ru/Bible/Index.htm
    2. Arkady Gaidar
      Arkady Gaidar 8 November 2017 08: 14 New
      +3
      Therefore, it did not save the USSR from collapse, that the Communists had morality, but MORALITY, as a concept, in principle, did not exist. That is why renegades were born inside them, betraying and correcting everything and everyone.
      A couple of years ago I had a conversation with young Komsomol members who were ready for a new socialist revolution. I ask: "Tell me, now how can God exist?" They firmly answer: "There is no God!" I further clarify: "But what about goodness, morality, justice of actions?" And they cheerfully like this: "There is nothing of this! All these are illusions and human inventions!" Here I was already tensed, as in Bulgakov’s way: “It turns out you have nothing bright! But then it turns out that there is no evil ?! I did something to someone and say, it’s not considered bad! I did nothing wrong.” And Their answer did not surprise me, but puzzled: "Well, yes. There is no evil! The same human inventions. There are legal and criminal laws."
      Then it dawned on me why the Communist Party of the USSR rotted from the inside out and the Soviet Union destroyed these personalities. This was the result of their immorality! hi
      1. Maalkavianin
        Maalkavianin 9 November 2017 09: 32 New
        +1
        In my opinion, they were just kidding you. :-)
      2. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 10 November 2017 22: 03 New
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        Hello, the Komsomolets answered you quite logically, this suggests that he can think, his head is cooking, but he doesn’t feel with his heart. There is just no upbringing of feelings, and the concept of such complex structures that you can not immediately explain using logic.
  13. misti1973
    misti1973 7 November 2017 23: 38 New
    +3
    Who is this deer that writes? What kind of person is he, does he have the right to condemn people only because they are standing in line for something? I never get in such lines, but this is only the presence of common sense. And here the next propagandist is trying to set one part of society on another! Patriotism has nothing to do with it. I’m bending all this, and such people are bastards!
  14. Arkady Gaidar
    Arkady Gaidar 8 November 2017 08: 00 New
    +3
    It’s not just an article, but a cry of some kind of soul. And now in order. Times have changed and now people do not "peck" at naked patriotism. Everyone needs money and good living conditions. Just yesterday, I argued about the religion of communism, trying to explain that people no longer need such a "candy". But to admit, the fanatics always faintly reach the simple logic of things that does not fit into their picture of the worldview.
    The fact is that as long as weapons exist, those abusing them will exist, which means threats to the state and society. Previously, they patched patriotism (as the author describes here) in all possible ways. They talked about the great Soviet Motherland, which has done a lot for humanity, bringing bright ideas to all people, having won the greatest war, ever been on earth, launched the first person into space, built the Mir space station and much more. Such methods of influence on the brain are being operated on now, but less frequently. Because people already understand that for these stories about a great power, you can’t buy sausages in a store, and you won’t spread them on your bread to make it tasty. Therefore, more and more often people line up for full shares.
    Bottom line: As long as there is a weapon, threats to states will remain. But the motives of people have changed and will continue to change further. True, now, apparently, they will not go far from the trough.
    1. Cat Marquis
      Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 08: 50 New
      +3
      "Morality" .... what nonsense. By this word is meant the self-restriction of personality associated with the prevailing "being." “Being” defines consciousness (of course, there are always “blessed” ones — an exception to the rule) is an axiom. Somewhere it’s moral to eat a person, somewhere absolutely moral to cohabit with your children, somewhere moral to cut the throat of Gentiles and so on and so forth .... For “morality” imprisoned for a specific “being” that has developed in society, it is necessary to form consciousness under the influence ideology, and this is also an axiom. There is no ideology, there is no "morality" - everything is allowed ..... but within the framework of the "law" ... wink
      1. Arkady Gaidar
        Arkady Gaidar 8 November 2017 09: 43 New
        +2
        With what a fright morality is self-restraint of personality? If you do not understand Russian spiritual philosophy (as one of the directions of Christian philosophy). Well, at least do not make people laugh by calling the nonsense unknown to you. And pouring such axioms, too, is somehow out of place. Because they are from another "opera", about materialism. But let's use your definition of Genesis)) The process of determining consciousness is always individual. Genesis tells one to abandon God, another to believe deeply. And there is no contradiction with the axiom you quoted here. Your subsequent reasoning only confirms complete unfamiliarity with Russian Christian thought (not to say complete ignorance in this matter winked ) And it’s more correct to say that consciousness is formed and changed not under the influence of ideology (this is a special case), but under the influence of information in general. Information (in simple terms) is a set of information (often intangible) intended to influence others (it was originally intended for this). Studying at school, an educational book, an incident on the street and ideology are all different types of the same thing - information!
        Well, to infer morality from ideology logically, this is already something with something. If you want to challenge the Christian definition of morality, conscience, justice, you probably first need to find out how it is defined in the Orthodox Good Philosophy, to trace the logical chains, and only after that try to open the mistakes and convey your lol
        1. Cat Marquis
          Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 09: 50 New
          +2
          “Russian spiritual philosophy” is “self-restriction of personality” based on Christian ideology (its “Orthodox” version). wink Simply put, accept religious dogmas as “truth” and rebuild your worldview to follow these dogmas. In the process of following these dogmas, a certain behavior of the individual is developed, which can be characterized by the words "morality", "morality", etc.
          1. Arkady Gaidar
            Arkady Gaidar 8 November 2017 10: 00 New
            +1
            In fact, morality is a person’s choice. And also spiritual philosophy and ideology so loved by you are defined. This is all a personality choice. The simplest example, a person can profess some form of spiritual philosophy (for example, Islam), but not completely limit himself to its prohibitions, moral standards, and rules of behavior. Performing them only for show, so that there are fewer problems with co-religionists.
            So your thesis is initially wrong laughing
            1. Cat Marquis
              Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 10: 31 New
              +2
              Well, clearly .... "Morality" is not a choice, it is a characteristic of one (of many) personality traits. As I understand it, in your "psychological" "research" you rely on "spiritual" literature, and I on scientific-applied. Hence the difference in understanding the issue. hi
              1. Arkady Gaidar
                Arkady Gaidar 8 November 2017 13: 31 New
                +1
                I don’t know what kind of literature you rely on, but perceive the information crookedly)) I write “morality is the choice of the person”, you answered “well understood, morality is not the choice”))) It’s called, write whatever you want, it’ll understand otherwise wassat Here you have the scientific and applied literature laughing Why even start a dialogue if you were not going to a different point of view? lol Hence the difference in understanding issues wassat
                1. Cat Marquis
                  Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 15: 13 New
                  +2
                  Do I "perceive" information "crookedly"? Oh well. I wrote “clearly” because it became clear to me “with whom” I am conducting a dialogue. If a person claims that "morality" is a "choice" and not a "personality trait" and does not understand that it is an absolutely abstract "quantity", depending on "where you live and" with whom you will be led, then I there’s nothing more to talk about with him — we really don’t understand each other. sad
                  1. Arkady Gaidar
                    Arkady Gaidar 8 November 2017 23: 24 New
                    +1
                    Cat Marquis! If you rely on science, you will argue within the framework of scientific logic, which is still taught at school in the sections of mathematics and geometry. You, without any logical explanation, rush phrases. How can one perceive such discreteness, except for bayonets ?! I can agree that morality is self-restraint. But you see, morality is not the main thing. In order for these self-restrictions to be able to exist, first a person must make a choice and gain a foothold in it. Are such simple things really not clear ?! All the best hi
      2. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 10 November 2017 22: 05 New
        0
        That's right. Without one, there is no other.
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 8 November 2017 11: 19 New
      0
      And so it sees a trough, twisted ponytails in a spiral and a satisfied chwak. Want to say, give up right away? For delicious grub and catchy blotches on clothes, all, how many of us in the country are?
      1. Arkady Gaidar
        Arkady Gaidar 8 November 2017 13: 36 New
        +2
        Why surrender right away? Did I write about this? I wrote about motives that have changed very much from the Soviet ones. Now people want to live with dignity and fullness! But there is still a definition of the homeland, decency, devotion.
        You are already second today, after Kota Marquis, who draws other conclusions from what has been written. Kingdom of crooked mirrors, damn it wassat
  15. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 8 November 2017 20: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Fedya2017
    Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
    but this USSR did not save from the disintegration and betrayal of the elite that had been brought up.

    The fact of the matter is that the fish begins to rot - from the head ... And the scales are stripped from it - from the tail.

    But they were brought up from kindergarten.
  16. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 8 November 2017 20: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Arkady Gaidar
    Therefore, it did not save the USSR from collapse, that the Communists had morality, but MORALITY, as a concept, in principle, did not exist. That is why renegades were born inside them, betraying and correcting everything and everyone.
    A couple of years ago I had a conversation with young Komsomol members who were ready for a new socialist revolution. I ask: "Tell me, now how can God exist?" They firmly answer: "There is no God!" I further clarify: "But what about goodness, morality, justice of actions?" And they cheerfully like this: "There is nothing of this! All these are illusions and human inventions!" Here I was already tensed, as in Bulgakov’s way: “It turns out you have nothing bright! But then it turns out that there is no evil ?! I did something to someone and say, it’s not considered bad! I did nothing wrong.” And Their answer did not surprise me, but puzzled: "Well, yes. There is no evil! The same human inventions. There are legal and criminal laws."
    Then it dawned on me why the Communist Party of the USSR rotted from the inside out and the Soviet Union destroyed these personalities. This was the result of their immorality! hi

    I did not live in those days and I do not know how and what. I know only from History and from stories to parents. Not the best country was for human life, although there were many advantages in that system.