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One and a half billion Chinese dreaming of Russian lands - true or fiction?

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Quite a lot of the past few years have appeared in the media of materials in which the authors, if they don’t directly bang China and Russia for Siberian and Far Eastern territories and wealth, hint that the Chinese are sleeping and see themselves as the owners of these territories.

And as an argument / argument they say about the huge population of China and the fact that, if desired, China may well put up an army equal in number to the entire population of Russia. And such a huge crowd rush to capture Siberia and the Far East.

“Where will we bury you all?” Is a question of a completely different sense. Now, using data from a source that made an ambiguous impression on me, I will try to figure out, rather than a myth, whether those millions of Chinese who want to escape from overpopulated China to the expanses of Russia.

In general, if you look at it very carefully, you immediately feel a sense of surprise. Especially if you imagine this billion with a third, crowded on a strip along the coast.



A fair question arises, how is this even possible, with a density of about 400 people per square kilometer? And, most importantly, who provides them a normal life, because, in cities, rice does not seem to grow.

We immediately discard the average population density of China. 140 person / sq. km is about nothing, because everything is visible on the bourgeois map. There are areas with a huge population density, and there are absolutely uninhabited areas. This is normal for a country with such a relief as China.

Cities. Here lies a definite clue. According to statistics, in the 2011 year, the Chinese authorities for the first time stated that more than half (51,27%) of the country's population live in cities. 102 cities with a population of over 1 million people, of which 21 - more than two million.

According to the rules adopted in China, the urban population does not include those living in the suburbs.

If you use the calculator, then 21, the largest city in China, is home to about 82,5 million people. And about the same in the remaining million-plus cities.

According to the same statistics, in China, 228 cities have a population of over 200 thousand people, 462 cities - more than 100 thousand people. and 912 cities - over 53 thousands. Average numbers are overestimated (400, 150 and 70, respectively), and we find that approximately 248,34 million people live in these cities.

If you add up megacities, one million people and the rest of the city, we get the number in 413,8 million people. Very roughly.

Further miracles. If 413,8 million is 51,27%, then ... the number in 1 347 million people of the entire population does not work for any error. 800-850 million. Where are the 500 million more?

Were they?

In fact, it turns out that no one really counted the number of Chinese. The official WHO data are peppered with “asterisks” marked “according to unverified data”, “according to the PRC” and in the same spirit as pira zira. All estimates are based on information provided by the Chinese side.

Similarly, the initial figure, from which it is customary to push off, 594 million people (1953 year, the first census of communist China), is very controversial.

It would seem that something complicated: they took and counted all. But in the work I have indicated on China of our compatriots, the approach is somewhat different. They do not question the figures, they simply cite data on China, based on European and Chinese sources of the 19 century.

One and a half billion Chinese dreaming of Russian lands - true or fiction?


What do we see? We see that in the middle of the 19 century, China’s population sank heavily. On 80-90 millions. The reason was, and not one. Two Opium Wars and four major uprisings fit in this gap. 18 years there was a war with the Taiping, about the same time fought with Miao authorities.

Everything is very logical.

The second peak of the fall falls on the 20-40-s of the last century. And here almost everything is clear. The civil war in China from 1927, smoothly developing into World War II, which began for China in 1937. That is, another 18 years of losses.

And again, the numbers are very, very approximate. About civil war there is nothing definite at all, for World War II, China lost from 10 to 35 millions, depending on the appetites counted.

The main thing is that the initial figure of 430 millions was taken, if not from the ceiling, then somewhere near. But the fact seems to be the case - in 100 years from 1845 to 1945, the number of Chinese has not changed much. And this, I emphasize, according to the Chinese themselves.

What's next? And then the demographic miracle began. Otherwise, do not call. The Chinese rushed to "multiply and multiply," as in the bible. And over the years 70 has increased its population three times, to the modern figure. Actually, a billion.



What can be said here? Someone needs to applaud. Whether the creators of children, or compilers of reports. Otherwise - just a miracle. Despite the post-war reaction, the losses in the Korean War, the CCP's peculiar actions that led to the Great Famine 1958-61, when according to official Chinese government data, 15 million people died, and the “one family” artificial restriction conducted since 80. - one child ”, China is showing population growth, and what kind! The population is growing by 12 million per year.

Experts say that because of the large basic (initial) figures.

The basic figure, I remind you, we had 430 million people. And for 100 years, it actually has not changed. War, rebellion, war again and not the most advanced level of medicine. China, by the way, was one of the leaders in infant mortality in the world.

And suddenly, at the 1944-45 level, a population explosion starts. It is illogical, for war is going on, men are fighting, the Japanese diligently reduce the population of China, however.

I would understand if in the year 1947-49 everything started. When the war was more or less withdrawn, the men returned from the front, and so on. By analogy with 1946-50-m with us.

No, in the 1949 year, in the year of the founding of the People's Republic of China, the figure was already 551 million, and at the first official census in the 1953 year - 582 million

Sense? Not really. Basic 430 million minus civil war, minus World War II (10-30 million), minus natural loss, minus indirect losses (I mean the loss of the male population in the war) will still yield + 120 million people in 1949 a year. Over the 22 of the year during which China fought 1927 on 1945. And 4 of the World.

Well, also + 30 millions for 4 of the year before the 1953 census of the year.

Then there was a cultural revolution with countless repressions, a Great Famine, another war (little things, yes, 150 of thousands of men), but the population grew faster and faster. And to Taiwan from the joys of communism, about 20 millions fled.

But the population continued to grow at the most rapid rate.

There is one more important aspect. This population is simply obliged to eat something. Otherwise, judging by the data of 1958-61, it begins to decline rapidly.

And here, too, not everything is clear to the end. Yes, China takes a lot of first places in terms of consumption.

I will start with cereals, as this is the most significant indicator.

In the USSR, per capita 1975-1990 consumed cereals per year 0,55 tons per person. Approximately the same figure today for Russia. Grain is not only bread and pasta, it is also meat. Figures of domestic grain consumption in Russia (about 75 million tons) correspond to reality.

Vietnam consumes about 60 million tons of cereals, with an official population of 91 million, that is, 0,66 tons per person per year. What is also real, in any case, in Asia more cereals are consumed historically. Rice is the head of everything.

Cereal production in China is officially 557 million tons. There is almost no import. Population 1370 million



Total 0,4 tons per person. in year. Are Chinese (prosperous) eating less Vietnamese? Which obviously live worse. And again, meat production has not gone anywhere. And his Chinese, too, eat heartily.



In 2016, China produced 53 million tons of pork. That is, 40 kg per person per year. A total meat production of the order - 80 million tons. That is, the Chinese officially consumes 60 kg of meat per year (in the Russian Federation, about 80 kg. Per year).

Questions again. To produce 1 kg of pork you need an equivalent of about 9 kg of cereals. That is, it turns out that the feed should go more than all of China’s cereal production, which is unrealistic.

There are global statistics that about 2 / 3 grain is used for meat, that is, about 370 million tons. This is in the 40 output of millions of tons of meat. That is, for 30 kg. per person. But the Chinese eat more!

In Vietnam consumption 50 kg. meat per year. To do this, you need 450 kg of cereals. 660 kg of cereals per person in Vietnam. 660-450 = 210 kg per person consumption, that is, the same proportion - 2 / 3 per animal and 1 / 3 per person.

So it turns out that through the meat, whether the Chinese have not so much meat, or there are not so many Chinese ...

Maybe the Chinese lie? And just do not show all their achievements? Are these 550 million tons of grain hidden from statistics just importing them from somewhere?

And to import such a grain through is simply nowhere. In 2017, Russia is projected to place 1-2 in the world in grain exports. And this is 38-40 million tons.

And the statistics says that the existing production in 557 million tons of grain occurs when the average yield in China is 59 centners per hectare (this is a high yield, as in the US, the yield of cereals 76 t / ha, in Vietnam, 56 t / ha, which is comparable to China, and in Russia in general 30 d / ha in 2017 year).

This is almost 100 million hectares of land or 1 million square meters. km Large areas. 10% of the territory of China. But according to the logic, in order to feed 1,4 billion mouths with such a crop, it is necessary to bring the acreage under grain to 20% of the country.

But man does not live by bread alone, right? China plants in thousands of square meters. km under the soy 67, under the potato 55, under the orchards 128, under the tea 20.

According to rough statistics, China produces half of the total world production of vegetables and melons, - 480 million tons. For this you need about 200 thousand square meters. km crops. Total 470 thousand square meters. km., that is, almost 5% of the country.

But in general, we have 15% of the territory of China under agricultural land. This figure also coincides with land statistics.

But the ambush is that a huge part of China’s territory is not so much for grain crops, but it’s generally not suitable for life, because it is either desert or mountain. With zero population density, because you can not live there at all.

Take a look at the administrative map of China. There are so-called autonomous regions in China (ARs). There are five of them, but now we are talking about three: Xinjiang Uygur, Inner Mongolia and Tibet.



These three APA on the territory occupy respectively 1,66 million square meters. km, 1,19 mln. km and 1,22 million square meters. km, only about 4 million square meters. km, almost half of the territory of the PRC. 19,6 mln. People, 23,8 mln. And 2,74 mln. Live in these territories, respectively, only about 46 mln. People, about 3% of the PRC population. Of course, these areas are not the most wonderful for living (mountains, deserts, steppes), but not worse than Outer Mongolia or our Tuva, or, for example, Kyrgyzstan or Kazakhstan.

About 10% of the territory is occupied (almost a million sq. Km.) By the megacities mentioned above. About the rest of the city silent for now.

100% -40-15-10 = 35% territory seems to be free. But on these 35% still lives, neither more nor less, but about a billion people. Those who are not included in the number 250 million residents of large cities. Plus rivers, lakes and other reliefs.



Is it possible to single out 15% of the entire territory from this number for a real doubling of production? But it does not seem real.

For comparison, in the same Vietnam, 90 thousand square meters were plowed for cereals. km, which is 27% of the country, and 10% of the territory - under the settlements, despite the fact that 50% of the territory is suitable for living in Vietnam (25% low hills and 25% plain). If we take a suitable territory for life for 100%, then half of them are already under grain, 20% is under cities, and everything else is 30%. That is close to the existing Chinese proportions, only more arable land and less cities and industry.
So it turns out that, judging by the numbers, there are not so many people in China. And if there is - then, to put it mildly, their life is not very full. But - live the same, and live normally. With this, too, do not argue.

It’s not at all that the conclusion has been asked for; people have been talking and writing about this for a long time. There are no billion inhabitants in China 1,3. In principle, there is a place for them, but the food is not prepared. So it turns out from figures of manufacture and import.

And I agree with those who claim that the real population of China ranges from 500 to 700 million people. Even with the figure in 700-800 million would agree. But not 1,3 billion

Another question is how and for what could these 500 millions be attributed. And who benefits.

It is beneficial, first of all, to China itself. The deterrent is not worse than the nuclear weapons. Who is going to fight with a country that can put the army in 100 millions? But this requires huge stocks of weapons.

There is a second nuance. And it is more effective as a puglock. Immigration "in case of anything." We all witnessed how the 2,8 pier, the official refugees (and around 1,8 unofficial) who arrived in Europe in the 2013-15 years, put it mildly, put this Europe in a very uncomfortable position.

But clever and cunning Chinese, (and after them Hindus, Indonesians, and indeed all of Asia) in the last century caught that the population is the same strategic weapon as bombs and missiles.

And the prospect of feeding and maintaining such a break through the people is a very difficult task. No less difficult than repulse from such a situation, as the population of India, China, Vietnam that has rattled in the style of Arabs towards the aggressor.

It is clear that the Pacific Ocean is not the Gulf of Mexico or the Mediterranean Sea. In Siberia, it seems easier.

But no less easier in the same Myanmar, where there are fewer people, and the climatic conditions are the same as in China. And there is no nuclear club.

In general, the result of this “study” was the conclusion: there is no reason for concern yet, since there is no one and a half billion people in China suffocating from hunger and lack of land.

Yes, the number in 700-800 of millions is impressive too. However, with such a scenario, there is no reason for concern. Now, if in China suddenly there is a swagger like our 90's, then yes. In the meantime, everything is calm in Beijing. No one is going anywhere, because there is no need and so far no one.

I like the Chinese government to draw huge numbers of people’s growth - well, who will forbid it? And who is against? Let them draw.


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  1. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 11 November 2017 09: 11 New
    +9
    The same story with India ..
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 11 November 2017 10: 04 New
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      But the Chinese and the army do not need to enter. There has long been a creeping annexation. By glanders, the number of Chinese in the Far East is constantly growing.
      1. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 11 November 2017 11: 22 New
        76
        I live in Blagoveshchensk, beyond Amur-China, in 15 years there were no more or less
        But the number of people from the Caucasus and Central Asia increased
        Hz?
        1. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 11 November 2017 11: 46 New
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          By the way, they love our Russian chocolate and honey, they buy gold in jewelry stores
          About food, they take out all-vegetable oil, pickles, alcohol, the aforementioned chocolate, other products, since I saw a whale that carried a dashirak for loading onto a bus (which surprised)
          Why, they say, better!
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 11 November 2017 16: 24 New
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            Whatever the author of the article says, but there is historical evidence of the forced protection of the Republic of Ingushetia from the Chinese penetration into Russia. This is the wall of China itself!
            Please note that, despite the well-established myth that the Chinese wall was allegedly built by the Chinese themselves, the loopholes on the wall are directed to the south, and not to the north!

            Look on which side of the sun is shining? See the line into the distance of the whole perspective of the direction of the Chinese wall itself? At the same time, local lighting of the looping Chinese wall is excluded and not taken into account. The lighting on the wall matches the general lighting of the mountains! And the east-west direction is shown by the perspective of the length of the Chinese wall itself. At the same time, loopholes in the wall are directed precisely to the south !!!
            And in the north was the state of the ancient Aryans - i.e. Russian? Here was the Russian Empire! And the wall, apparently, was built by the Russians, not the Chinese - from the penetration of the Chinese!
            See details - http://digitall-angell.livejournal.com/176332.htm
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            1. Setrac
              Setrac 11 November 2017 17: 36 New
              +8
              Quote: Tatiana
              Whatever the author of the article says, but there is historical evidence of the forced protection of the Republic of Ingushetia from the Chinese penetration into Russia. This is the wall of China itself!

              The surrender of Manchuria to the Chinese is one of the Communist crimes.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 11 November 2017 18: 21 New
                +6
                Here is more evidence that the stairs to the Chinese wall were also only on the north side. And that the Wall of China was built precisely by Rus!
                The Great Wall of China was built by Rus!
                1. Skywa1ker
                  Skywa1ker 24 November 2017 18: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  The Great Wall of China was built by Rus!

                  You see, my dear, after the ancient great civilizations, and not the great one is simply unable to erect such a structure, if not cultural artifacts in the form of the Iliad or Roman law, then ALWAYS be architectural. In addition to the western regions (Novgorod and Volyn) of Russia, most of the cities were wooden. Show me a similar structure, exactly erected by the Russians? Perhaps you can also call me 3-5 Russian scientists from pre-Petrine times? So far, in fact, we have south of the wall - a civilization with a minimum of 3.5 thousand years of history, experience in the stone building of cities and temples, writing, culture and history, and to the north ... traditional nomadic steppes, where no traces of any sluggish civilization have yet been found . You can think as you like, but for a long time I have not spent time on idle speculation.
              2. albert
                albert 11 November 2017 21: 20 New
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                Quote: Setrac
                The surrender of Manchuria to the Chinese is one of the Communist crimes.

                Did the Communists lose the war of 1904-1905? belay
                1. your1970
                  your1970 13 November 2017 13: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: albert
                  Did the Communists lose the war of 1904-1905?
                  -ah, they also gave half of Sakhalin lol lol lol Witte - clearly our man was, was a member of the RSDLP, not otherwise ....
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 14 November 2017 10: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: your1970
                    yeah, they also gave half of Sakhalin to Witte - obviously our man was, was a member of the RSDLP, not otherwise ....

                    I’ll clarify - the communists told you this.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 14 November 2017 12: 22 New
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Quote: your1970
                      yeah, they also gave half of Sakhalin to Witte - obviously our man was, was a member of the RSDLP, not otherwise ....

                      I’ll clarify - the communists told you this.

                      belay belay
                      so all the same - WHEN Manchuria was given ??? a little earlier than 1917, not ???? fool fool
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 14 November 2017 18: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        so all the same - WHEN they gave Manchuria ??? a little earlier than 1917, not ????

                        Manchuria was given to the JAPANESE, lost according to the results of the war, the Communists lost to the MANZHURA CHINESE, do you feel the difference?
                2. SPQR1977
                  SPQR1977 23 November 2017 21: 29 New
                  0
                  Well, that's too much !!!
              3. myobius59
                myobius59 13 November 2017 21: 29 New
                +3
                Quote: Setrac
                Quote: Tatiana
                Whatever the author of the article says, but there is historical evidence of the forced protection of the Republic of Ingushetia from the Chinese penetration into Russia. This is the wall of China itself!

                The surrender of Manchuria to the Chinese is one of the Communist crimes.

                The shoulder straps you have here do not match your knowledge of history. About
                Quote: demo
                He lived in Shenyang (Liaoning Province).
                The population is officially 7.4 million.
                During the day, during working hours the streets are empty.
                I ask the translator - where are the people?
                She answers - they work.
                But in the evening and early in the morning the city turns into an anthill. Tinkering, honking, stirring.
                At 22.00 - peace and quiet. The Chinese like birds on a twig and fell asleep.
                And this is for 1200-1300 yuan per month. Despite the fact that our labor was paid twice as high. ( compared).
                And God forbid the intensity of labor among the Chinese.
                He lived in an apartment on the 27th floor.
                I go out at night to the loggia. Time 0.00. And city construction projects are all flooded with welding and spotlights.
                There is arable land 24 hours a day.
                We must thank Putin and his sidekick and bow at the feet for concern.

                Yes, without a problem I will give a similar example in mask. For example, Welton Park, New gangway. The construction of houses there goes around the clock. "The lights of electric welding and spotlights burn 24 hours a day." Just like you described in China.
              4. andrew42
                andrew42 14 November 2017 15: 54 New
                +2
                Something completely obscure. The communists may have destroyed the chapel of the 12th century, too, but Manchuria ... I must say thanks to Stalin that after 1945 the "collective west" did not create a new shock column on the basis of China instead of Nazi Germany. The struggle for influence in China was serious. The Kuomintang would have won, then a campaign to the north would have been a reality already in the 50s. During the Eisenhower Presidency, the question "How did we lose China?" was a shock to the US administration.
                1. Kirill Popov
                  Kirill Popov 15 November 2017 21: 12 New
                  0
                  "The" collective west "did not create a new strike column on the basis of China instead of Nazi Germany."

                  An interesting word choice, because now most of the investment in the Chinese economy comes from Western countries and America is the # 1 trading partner for China.

                  They just create this shock convoy methodically. After 2020, China will already have a full-fledged satellite constellation and updated missile defense based on our own technologies.
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 23 November 2017 12: 59 New
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                    Quote: Kirill Popov
                    An interesting word choice, because now most of the investment in the Chinese economy comes from Western countries and America is the # 1 trading partner for China.

                    And Mao read vlom? By the way, it closely resembles the policy of young Stalin.
            2. protoss
              protoss 13 November 2017 14: 09 New
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              And in the north was the state of the ancient Aryans - i.e. Russians

              in the north was the Mongolian People’s Republic, before it the Mongol Khanate, before it the Mongol Empire, before it the Khitan Empire, before it the Kyrgyz Haganate, before it the Uyghur Haganate, before it the Turk Haganates, before them the Jujan Haganate, before it the Tabagan Aymaks, before They are the Syanbi state, and it is the Hunnish state. it was from these comrades that the Chinese built their wall.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 13 November 2017 14: 25 New
                0
                protoss
                the Mongolian People’s Republic was located and is located in the north ...., the Chinese built these walls from these comrades.
                Reason alogically and therefore you yourself are mistaken!
                You are told that loopholes on the Chinese wall are located on the SOUTH side, i.e. defense is directed from North to South. And the stairs to the wall are also located exactly from the north side, not from the south! Those. the defenders from the invasion of enemies were located precisely in the north of the wall, and not in the south, and they defended the NORTHERN territories from the "Chinese wall"!
                You inattentively read and watched the video in my posts! If at all read and looked.
                In addition, in your opinion, besides, it also turns out that the Chinese could not build the Chinese wall, because this contradicts the very construction of the "Chinese wall"!
                1. protoss
                  protoss 13 November 2017 17: 19 New
                  +4
                  on your video a remake built for tourists. defensive functions the wall has already lost 800 years. from that old wall there are only ruins and earthen ramparts. so there’s no point in discussing any loopholes at all.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 13 November 2017 17: 34 New
                    +1
                    Watch the attached video! It says about the stairs.
                    And this, in your opinion, “remake” is simply restoration without any political manipulations on their part by the restorers. They restored the wall as it actually was. Otherwise, it would not be a restoration, but a political restructuring
                    which requires significantly more money. The Chinese authorities simply did not think about the political consequences of a simple restoration!
              2. sogdy
                sogdy 23 November 2017 13: 03 New
                0
                Quote: protoss
                located and located in the north

                It’s the same, of course, yes, only it is a different territory, and not all of them are in the north.
                Yes, Hunnu - 40-10 t.let day. The spike wall is younger.
        2. R-140
          R-140 11 November 2017 14: 03 New
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          I agree with you, because I live near Blagoveshchensk. The Chinese will not climb into the Far East for one simple reason, COLD ONE! They don’t want to come to us from Western Russia because of the cold, people asked me.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 11 November 2017 14: 27 New
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            It would not be so sloppy, they would have settled there 2000 years ago. However, Russians, like white people, raked all of Eurasia northeastern, just because they were white. And they did it in a couple of hundred years. Asians do not climb anywhere, sitting at their rice fields.
            1. Yura Yakovlev
              Yura Yakovlev 12 November 2017 05: 57 New
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              Today, in our yard, in accordance with the reckoning of the Slavs, summer 7522 from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple. Thus, after the defeat in the war, the Chinese made peace, on which they pledged to build a wall, which, in fact, was done. Siberia has always been Russian, which is confirmed by the 19th century English encyclopedia in its article on Tartaria.
              1. Sanreeder
                Sanreeder 13 November 2017 06: 13 New
                +2
                Today (13.11.2017/18/00 to 12:2 p.m.) is the 7526th day of the XNUMXth centenary of the year XNUMX from SMZH.
                1. Yura Yakovlev
                  Yura Yakovlev 13 November 2017 08: 19 New
                  +4
                  Now, if each of us knew how our ancestors knew that there was a different countdown, and not the one introduced by Peter I, then historical events would be perceived completely differently
                2. your1970
                  your1970 13 November 2017 13: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sanreeder
                  12 number 2 of the fortieth year 7526 from SMZH.
                  - Looks like the name of a tractor, or some other agricultural machinery ...
                  1. Yura Yakovlev
                    Yura Yakovlev 13 November 2017 16: 18 New
                    +5
                    Slavic calendar is even more accurate than the one we use. A month is forty days, a week is nine days, hence the wake on the ninth and fortieth day. Forty-forty is the period from birth, during which a person gains memory and becomes a learner. Instant and whitefish are generally unique things that are more precise minutes and seconds. Nine circles of life of sixteen years - there must be a life expectancy. It is unfortunate that we have almost lost all this.
                    1. V
                      V 14 November 2017 15: 22 New
                      +1
                      A full circle of life - 144 summers (16 years for 9 elements). There are opinions that a person could live up to three full circles of life.
                      Including, there was no such season as “summer”. Summer = year. We even have this in vocabulary. For example, in the form of a question: "how old are you?"
                      1. Yura Yakovlev
                        Yura Yakovlev 14 November 2017 16: 43 New
                        +1
                        Our vocabulary has left a lot since then, and this only confirms that the calendar was, and therefore there was an event, which is the starting point of the calendar. If our ancestors defeated the Chinese and forced them to build a wall with loopholes inward on their border (established by the agreement in the Star Temple), then the conclusion suggests itself that the Chinese are gradually taking our territory from the wall to the north. So there is no difference what their population size is. They will continue to occupy our territories.
        3. Amurets
          Amurets 11 November 2017 16: 36 New
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          Quote: kot28.ru
          I live in Blagoveshchensk, beyond Amur-China, in 15 years there were no more or less

          Countryman! I fully support. I just want to add that added Koreans from the DPRK.
          It seems that according to BAM, the forest is being prepared
        4. Ural resident
          Ural resident 11 November 2017 17: 00 New
          +6
          the number of people from the Caucasus has increased everywhere - that's where the remaining 700 million
        5. ibirus
          ibirus 11 November 2017 17: 54 New
          +1
          And you ask Hetaya9977, they are so apparently hiding behind, shouting - aah, the Chinese. And they themselves are populated by silent glanders.
        6. ammunition
          ammunition 12 November 2017 02: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: kot28.ru
          I live in Blagoveshchensk, beyond Amur-China, in 15 years there were no more or less


          China. Yunnan Province.


          Area - 388 km. sq. The population is 45 million people.
          The climate is paradise. Soil - climatic conditions give three crops a year.
          ------------------------------
          For comparison -
          Switzerland! The climate is immeasurably worse for human habitation. The population density in Switzerland is 1,6 times higher than in Yunnan. The land and climate in Switzerland give 1 (one!) A crop per year.
          --------------------
          And now QUESTION - Where will the Chinese go if he wants to change his place of residence? To your Yunnan province, where the climate is truly paradise, or to permafrost ... in the same Blagoveshchensk? .. Okay -)) Blagoveshchensk is on the Amur River. And on the Amur floodplain, the permafrost is retreating. But!! literally 100 km to the north, and frozen.
          ---------------------
          And the author’s conclusions that the Chinese are not 1388 000 million people are sucked out of their fingers. The land of China is able to feed 3 (three!) And even 4 (four) billion people.
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 13 November 2017 22: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: ammunition
            Switzerland! The climate is immeasurably worse for human habitation. The population density in Switzerland is 1,6 times higher than in Yunnan. The land and climate in Switzerland give 1 (one!) A crop per year.

            Quote: ammunition
            Switzerland! The climate is immeasurably worse for human habitation. The population density in Switzerland is 1,6 times higher than in Yunnan. The land and climate in Switzerland give 1 (one!) A crop per year.


            Is it just 1 crop a year?)) In Switzerland, only their own are eaten, with rare exceptions, and farmers, despite the fact that part of their land is almost gold in value, especially in villages, towns and between them, their land They’re not in a hurry to sell, even though they will immediately make them multimillionaires. So they harvest crops on the same field several times a year. They sowed wheat, gathered, then corn, gathered, grub for cows, etc., in a circle and all this for a year. You were misinformed about 1 crop per year, all this is a matter of logistics, technology and technical support. The climate in Switzerland is hot summers, up to 35+ (the sun is like the sea, you sunbathe quickly, unlike Germany, which would seem close), winters are mostly on average -5 at night and 0 in the afternoon (December-February), sometimes temperatures hold -10 a couple of weeks.
          2. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 13 November 2017 23: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: ammunition
            And now QUESTION - Where will the Chinese go if he wants to change his place of residence? To your Yunnan province, where the climate is truly paradise, or to permafrost ... in the same Blagoveshchensk? .. Okay -)) Blagoveshchensk is on the Amur River. And on the Amur floodplain, the permafrost is retreating. But!! literally 100 km north and frozen


            The Chinese will go where there are prospects, where he can raise his standard of living and will not think about the weather in the first place. In the Russian Federation, thanks to self-serving officials and state programs of the PRC, the Chinese have created excellent conditions and prospects. Knowing the Chinese attitude to nature and ecology, for the indigenous population of Siberia and the Far East and its nature, the prospects are already terrible. Those responsible officials who want to allow the Chinese to pump water from Lake Baikal, who can cut down Taigu in huge areas, who turn a blind eye to mass poaching for the needs of Chinese "medicine" must be given a life sentence as traitors to the country and people.
        7. yehat
          yehat 13 November 2017 14: 19 New
          +2
          in the Far East did not, but other communities grow - in Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, St. Petersburg and other cities
          11 years ago, according to unofficial estimates, about 100-150k Chinese already lived in Krasnoyarsk.
          Personally, I think that if you collect everyone in the province, more than 200.000 will come out. And so throughout Siberia.
        8. Sverdlov
          Sverdlov 14 November 2017 17: 10 New
          +1
          If so further, then full hello!
          Soon the end of our era.
          These Chinese in a few years
          Earth will be deprived of the atmosphere ....
      2. max702
        max702 11 November 2017 11: 29 New
        19
        Quote: xetai9977
        But the Chinese and the army do not need to enter. There has long been a creeping annexation. By glanders, the number of Chinese in the Far East is constantly growing.

        Rave! There were quite a lot of them in the early 2000s today everyone went home for more satisfying than in Russia and the climate is milder ... Do not believe, take a ticket to Vladik and see for yourself ..
        1. Barshchik-M
          Barshchik-M 11 November 2017 11: 54 New
          16
          Quote: max702
          Quote: xetai9977
          But the Chinese and the army do not need to enter. There has long been a creeping annexation. By glanders, the number of Chinese in the Far East is constantly growing.

          Rave! There were quite a lot of them in the early 2000s today everyone went home for more satisfying than in Russia and the climate is milder ... Do not believe, take a ticket to Vladik and see for yourself ..

          Hetai is Azerbaijani and sings to the tune of Israel and the USA!
          I have known him for a long time .. It’s better to lie under the USA and Israel than under China he he he I got the essence of Hetai correctly? (all liberalism scares us with this ..))))
          China is not a threat to us, cunning of course .. But they simply will not survive in Russia! Too small .. wassat

          Russian women just beat them with a shovel .. hehe

          That's how the men live!
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 12 November 2017 01: 23 New
            +6
            "Hope for the women, but don’t be fooled by yourself"
            Xi Jinping
          2. your1970
            your1970 13 November 2017 13: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
            Barshchik-M
            -Meehanbanned again?
          3. Siban
            Siban 21 November 2017 10: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
            Russian women just shovel their ar
            Pgavda lol?! "A candidate for mayor of Omsk proposed to import men from Kazakhstan to increase the birth rate".
            The election of the mayor of Omsk in the city is gaining momentum. The details of the program of one of the candidates, the 44-year-old pensioner Dmitry Perevalsky, became known. The applicant for the chair of the mayor plans to seriously engage in demographic policy, and men from Kazakhstan will help him in this.

            So, judging by the program of Perevalsky, the population of Omsk is clearly depressing - there are a lot of women of childbearing age in the city, but there are almost no normal men - either in the zone or on the watch.

            “There are significantly more women in Omsk in absolute terms, and in this regard, their desire to start a family runs into an insurmountable barrier: some men are in prison, others work on a rotational basis, others are alcoholics, parasites, drug addicts,” Perevalsky believes .

            In order to fix the “demographic hole”, the mayoral candidate intends to arrange high-speed dates, thematic discos and even import men from Northern Kazakhstan. It is on their “shoulders” that the obligation to increase the birth rate of Omsk residents will fall.

            “Our young people need to be taught to build a family, they do not know how. Therefore, it is worth paying attention to Northern Kazakhstan - there are a lot of men who want to Omsk, but they are not called. City officials should conduct courses, organize youth camps and discos where young people from Omsk will be represented by Kazakhstan people, ”Perevalsky said to SuperOmsk.
      3. Maxim73
        Maxim73 11 November 2017 12: 15 New
        27
        A month ago I was in Khabarovsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur - there is no Chinese dominance there, and this, according to local residents, part-time of my relatives. But if you want to scare everyone and be scared yourself - let there be a creeping annexation =)
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2017 12: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: xetai9977
        By glanders, the number of Chinese in the Far East is constantly growing.

        personal observations or statistics ?!
      5. g1v2
        g1v2 11 November 2017 12: 57 New
        26
        Here are just statistics that refute it. And the locals too. The number of Chinese in the Russian Federation can not be compared with migration from the same Central Asia. Why what there. Last year, 24100 people came from your Azerbaijan to the Russian Federation, and from China three times less - 3. It’s much more logical to scare the creeping annexation from Azeri then. hi
        Well, as a third of all migrants gives Ukraine - 178274 people over the past year. Further, with a wide margin, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan - 69356, 60977 and 52676, respectively. As we can see, there is no comparison with the number of Chinese. Scare either someone else or someone else.
      6. Greenwood
        Greenwood 11 November 2017 13: 27 New
        17
        Quote: xetai9977
        By glanders, the number of Chinese in the Far East is constantly growing.
        Have you ever been to the Far East at all? There's no such thing. I live in Vladivostok. In the past few years, the number of Chinese tourists has greatly increased, with hundreds walking around the city center, filling up central department stores, buying up chocolate, gold, jewelry, souvenirs, etc. Due to the cheaper ruble, it became very profitable for them to ride to Russia. But the poor merchants, who were many in the 90s and early 00s, were noticeably reduced (they were successfully replaced by citizens of the former Soviet republics).
        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 11 November 2017 14: 03 New
          +2
          We also have units in Novosibirsk, but comrades from Central Asia angry But the ear must be kept sharp! These are friends until the first intersection. My opinion is that China will first of all pick up Mongolia, but this is how I said my opinion and I certainly can be wrong hi
          1. khalkaman
            khalkaman 14 November 2017 14: 25 New
            0
            You are not mistaken.
      7. demo
        demo 11 November 2017 14: 02 New
        10
        You are not right.
        Read the statistical reports of the FMS of the Russian Federation for the last 5-7 years.
        The number of Chinese has declined. The number of Koreans (northern) Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc. increased.
        Even the Vietnamese and other related peoples do not seek in the Russian Federation.
        I’ll keep silent about the reasons.
      8. EvilLion
        EvilLion 11 November 2017 14: 25 New
        0
        The same thing was written in the 19 century, there are no white people, some are Chinese.
      9. rexby63
        rexby63 11 November 2017 17: 14 New
        +3
        Relatives live in the Khabarovsk Territory. They say that the number of Chinese is approximately constant and almost all do not live permanently, i.e. actually at the shift. But the Russians are really leaving
      10. would
        would 13 November 2017 06: 38 New
        +2
        But we who live in the Khabarovsk Territory do not notice this. There are no crowds of Chinese in the streets, but here are all sorts of Tajiks and Uzbeks in appearance really much more than the Chinese or Vietnamese.

        Plus, it’s worth remembering that a very large part of the Chinese come to the Far East on a rotational basis, that is, they have worked and left. They don’t even plan to stay here living.
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 13 November 2017 23: 32 New
          +4
          In my debate about whether the number of Chinese in Siberia and the Far East is growing, or not, by the cash register. It is necessary to discuss the Chinese state programs for the development of these regions and there are already, in my opinion, terrible consequences! They cut down the forest with hectares, but not in a civilized way, planting equal areas with equivalent tree species, but barely, with hectares, destroying the ecological balance and animal habitat. Now cedar is in demand. Previously, they bought wood, for $ 30 a cubic meter, sawed and for $ 300 further, sold around the world, or made high-quality paper, which was already a crime of responsible officials. And now they themselves are cutting it, with the hands of poor Russians from the region who cannot find work. Now they also want to pump water from Baikal, from which only environmental problems will remain for the indigenous population. What claims can there be to the Chinese when all questions to the authorities should be ?! In the West, the Chinese, who are ready to buy everything for any loot, are sent in 3 letters because they understand the consequences, understand their philosophy, in which there is no place for all others, non-Chinese, this should be understood by the Russians. It must be understood that for the Chinese, that Russian, that German, that Greek, all in one face and nothing in common with the mentality and perception of the world they have with the Russians, unlike Western countries. The Chinese may be the only people who do not assimilate anywhere by a millimeter, no matter where, the United States or Russia, in the first place they create their own mini-Chinas. So all this nonsense, friendship and alliance with China, they spat on it.
          1. your1970
            your1970 14 November 2017 09: 51 New
            0
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Previously, they bought wood, for $ 30 a cubic meter, sawed and for $ 300 further, sold around the world, or made high-quality paper, which was already a crime of responsible officials.
            - officials are to blame - that the Chinese were making quality paper ????
            the price of $ 30 was formed at that time, the stock exchange - there were no more expensive fools to buy round timber.
            Processing? There has always been a problem with this - both in the Republic of Ingushetia, and the USSR, and the Russian Federation. Well, it doesn’t work out, alas ...
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 17 November 2017 01: 13 New
              0
              Quote: your1970
              - officials are to blame - that the Chinese were making quality paper ????

              You do not understand what I wrote? To make paper out of taiga pines and cedars is a crime !!! For a long time they have been using waste wood and other substances, because trees translate blasphemy on paper! If they cut down their trees, in China, on paper, that would be their problem, but they use Russian wood and precisely for the reason that it costs them so cheaply, and that’s all with the light, hairy and thieving hand of Russian officials ! Even if the Russians, the Russian company, were to do this, it would be a crime against their native land, and then the Chinese come, cut down the taiga, and the Russians have a cookie and environmental consequences from this. I hope you


              Quote: your1970
              the price of $ 30 was formed at that time, the stock exchange - there were no more expensive fools to buy round timber.


              What are you talking about?! You can’t buy a tree of the highest quality for $ 30 (it’s about 10-5 years ago), $ 30 is a corruption price and nowhere except for the Russian Federation would anyone sell to the Chinese for such a price. It is known that the Chinese sawed on boards and a cubic meter was already leaving for $ 300. There was a journalistic investigation of the Germans on this subject, they talked with rangers and people who at least somehow tried to stop lawlessness, because then it was semi-legal, and now the Chinese are openly being cut down and taken out.

              Quote: your1970
              Processing? There has always been a problem with this - both in the Republic of Ingushetia, and the USSR, and the Russian Federation. Well, it doesn’t work out, alas ...


              Have you thought about the reasons? Why, having a beautiful tree, Europe is not littered with saunas, furniture and others made in Russia? Why, having so much black soil, space, low cost, do farmers not compete with their western counterparts? And so on on the list. After all, it is no worse than a tractor and, in fact, the same people as in the west, even more entrepreneurial. The whole problem is in the system, officials and authorities and the conditions created by them.
              1. your1970
                your1970 17 November 2017 17: 19 New
                0
                1) I am a former customs officer, therefore I am aware of this issue, including exchange forest prices (including ours), predatory cuts, forest theft and smuggling
                2) processing
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                After all, it is no worse than a tractor and, in fact, the same people as in the west, even more entrepreneurial. The whole problem is in the system, officials and authorities and the conditions created by them.
                -those. the capitalists under the kings could not - "the system, officials and authorities and the conditions created by them interfered", during the USSR they couldn’t - "the system, officials and authorities and the conditions created by them interfered", now again the capitalists cannot - "the system, officials and authorities and the conditions created by them interfered"....
                Strange not?
                Maybe the "grenades of the wrong system" © BSP?
                Maybe we cannot, for some other reasons, arrange recycling - except for "officials !!"
                Finns in the heyday of the USSR made paper the best in the world from our there, too, terrible "officials" prevented doing it at home? And corruption / kickbacks / trade / roofing purely their own / budget sharing / .... - you won’t fall down, there wasn’t such then ...

                Z.Y. clogging a nail in a log AUTOMATICALLY makes it non-compliant with GOST and non-graded. And oak sleepers belay I also saw ..
      11. Dimmedroll
        Dimmedroll 16 November 2017 12: 51 New
        0
        Not quite as you write here.
    2. Mikhail Zubkov
      Mikhail Zubkov 11 November 2017 14: 11 New
      +8
      How many Chinese were, are and will be (as well as Indians, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Bangladeshis, Brazilians, etc.) in what respect are we interested? geographic or geopolitical? Big nations are the joy of the earth (only Americans are in doubt)! But small for us - often grief, for example, the Baltic states. It would be reasonable to analyze their population in the first place, because we can really do something real with them. And we need to be friends with large nations - with everyone. Only with the Americans - at least get along.
    3. ammunition
      ammunition 12 November 2017 12: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      The same story with India ..


      Yes, the author of the article Noodle hangs on the ears!
      In 2015, the grain harvest in China was 621,435 million tons. Now for sure more.
      And in India, grain harvest in 2017 year - 307,25 million tons,
      ------------------
      The population in India and China is practically SAME! Che Indians do not die of hunger.
      The main thing! In tropical countries pigs are not fed grain !!! And cows do not feed grain !!! There you are not Siberia! .. And not even near Moscow. ((( angry
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      How to get such sucked-up articles.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 12: 53 New
        +4
        the article is far from exhausted and the question of the number of Chinese people has been raised for a long time
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 12 November 2017 14: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          the article is far from exhausted and the question of the number of Chinese people has been raised for a long time


          The fact of the matter is that it is sucked from the finger.
          You did not read, probably carefully. Otherwise, they would have noticed a lot of gross fraud .. and direct swindle. Well, for example -
          quote - " 102 cities with a population of over 1 million people, of which 21 - over two million."
          and right there -
          "If you use the calculator, then in 21-m the largest city in China, there are about 82,5 million people. And about the same in the remaining million-plus cities. "
          -----------------------
          Here are 20 of China's largest cities -


          No. City Population Province
          1 Shanghai 22,315,426 Shanghai
          2 Beijing 18,827,000 Beijing
          3 Chongqing 15,294,255 Chongqing
          Xnumx Tianjin Xnumx Tianjin
          5 Guangzhou 11,070,654 Guangdong
          6 Shenzhen 10,357,938 Guangdong
          7 Wuhan 10,120,000 Hubei
          8 Dongguan 8,220,937 Guangdong
          9 Chengdu 7,123,697 Sichuan
          10 Hong Kong 7,055,071 Hong Kong
          11 Nanjing 6,852,984 Jiangsu
          12 Shenyang 5,743,718 Liaoning
          13 Hangzhou 5,695,313 Zhejiang
          14 Harbin 4,517,549 Heilongjiang
          15 Suzhou 4,074,000 Jiangsu
          16 Jinan 3,922,180 Shandong
          17 Xi'an 3,890,098 Shaanxi
          18 Wuxi 3,542,319 Jiangsu
          19 Hefei 3,352,076 Anhui
          20 Changchun 3,341,700 Jilin
          This is for the same year !! don't think it's fresh.
          We use the calculator - we get 160 millions. And the author writes that 82,5 million.
          rude swindle TWICE TIMES,
          -----------------
          Further, the author writes that in 102 cities with populations from 1 to 2 million (that is, one and a half on average), ALSO 82 million. And there are 156 millions. Again, almost twice inflated.
          ------------
          Yes edrit his leg !! What a mockery!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 15: 19 New
            0
            rude swindle TWICE TIMES,
            Quote: ammunition
            rude swindle TWICE TIMES,

            in that, firstly, I can give you other numbers, and secondly, many cities in terms of numbers count with the suburbs
            the question is not in numbers, but in that the population was taken off there wasn’t there, but after 1,5 times and lard, and this despite the fact that they have one family, one child
            1. ammunition
              ammunition 12 November 2017 15: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              many cities reckon with the suburbs in numbers

              Firstly, they do not count with the suburbs .-)) This is noted in the article .-))
              And what does the suburbs have to do with it? If the author claims that there are millionaires in 102 cities, 82 million people live. Well, nonsense and only! Even if in these cities there would be exactly 1 (one) million, then even exactly would be 102 million.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 16: 33 New
                0
                Quote: ammunition
                Firstly - do not reckon with the suburbs

                it is considered that there is no and stat data not only you know how to use
                Quote: ammunition
                And what does the suburbs have to do with it?

                while
                the Chinese are very cunning ... wise
                "if you are weak, pretend to be strong"
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 12 November 2017 17: 54 New
              +1
              A VILLAGE LESS THAN 1 MILLION PEOPLE A CITY DOESN'T BE CONSIDERED - Chinese saying
            3. yehat
              yehat 13 November 2017 14: 27 New
              +3
              this is propaganda. The average family in China has never been below 2 children.
              as for the author’s calculations, he did not take into account imports from China’s overseas assets belonging to China — Ukraine, Africa, the Russian Federation, Belarus, France, Romania (for example, there is the largest Chinese poultry farm in Europe) —they’re taking them everywhere
              and I think that by 20 percent due to the import of YOUR overseas products increase the total consumption. And there is also Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Australia. Do not forget that China has become the world leader in fishing and the manufacture of fishing / coastal fleets. What can I say, China even carries food from Japan.
              In general, the author was unable to identify the entire gross product of the havchik.
      2. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx 12 November 2017 19: 15 New
        +1
        and what feed the animal in tropical countries?
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 13 November 2017 07: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Fil743
          and what feed the animal in tropical countries?

          Zootechnics claims to be exactly the same. Variations due to the availability of feed, mineral composition (which they have long learned to compensate for).
          1. your1970
            your1970 13 November 2017 13: 41 New
            0
            and what feed pigs in Ulyanovsk / Penza or in Saratov? In the first - with potatoes (which is like shoe polish), and in the second - with grain (because there are no potatoes, all imported)
    4. Buffet
      Buffet 13 November 2017 16: 44 New
      +1
      Just in India, in China, so many people are working for a bowl of rice. This is how in Russia they consider the average salary. And someone in the countryside generally lives on what he himself raised and sold.
  2. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 11 November 2017 09: 12 New
    14
    Well done Roman! Excellent and timely article.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 11 November 2017 17: 24 New
      16
      Yes, Roman often writes interesting articles, however, he would say here, “Amicus Plato, sed magis arnica Veritas”. What I wanted to prove in the article is that China is not a potential aggressor, but a white and fluffy "friend and brother." What is taken as the main evidence, population density over the territory, suspicion of overstating the population. Here, just, it has nothing to do with the issue of war and peace. The Japanese have the island of Hokkaido almost empty, but this does not prevent them from persistently seeking the return of "disputed islands" by Russia. In addition, according to the logic of this article, the Third Reich would have had enough land in Europe, and the Americans in their North America. So no, everything is not explained by empty lands. I understand that the article was ordered to Roman, he fulfilled his journalistic duty. Somehow I don’t want to believe that an experienced journalist will sincerely follow, “it’s not difficult to deceive you, I’m glad to be deceived myself” ... In China, there is a problem with clean drinking water for a long time, soils are poisoned with gigantic doses of chemicals and fertilizers, and the forced economy of China needs colossal natural resources. A powerful army of China, not at the bottom of the coast of the United States, but near our deserted borders. Why do people believe that China will fight with America, a powerful nuclear and space superpower distant by the ocean, and with a weakened Russia, around which the noose is tightened, no ... As you wish, blissful who believes, but if you choose between hope for the best , with readiness for the worst, and with pink snot of complacency, with complete non-acceptance and not readiness for problems, I would choose the first option. Nobody calls to quarrel with China, but one June 1941 of the year, with friendship with the German National Socialists, is enough for us, we must respect ourselves and not lose our vigilance.
      1. Kirill Popov
        Kirill Popov 11 November 2017 23: 01 New
        +4
        It is necessary to replenish Pacific Fleet with submarines, which in today's state would simply be swept away by the Chinese fleet, which is concentrated only in this region. Plus, our shipbuilding potential in the Pacific is dwarfed compared to Chinese shipyards. So from the sea, support for our ground forces in the Far East should not be expected in the event of a large-scale war.

        In 2020, it is necessary to refuse to renew the Moscow agreement with the PRC of 1997, so as not to have any restrictions on the deployment of its military 100km from the border and to actively engage engineering troops to strengthen the border. Otherwise, if China cuts the BAM with tank armies, then it will be able to cut off the Far East from both the sea and land.

        And will Russia bring nuclear weapons into action to save the Far East and / or Baikal? China is also a powerful nuclear power. Should I risk the destruction of the whole country for the sake of several regions? And we gave them another S-400, su-30, Warsaw, calibers .. and much more .. maybe we will give them another s-500 so that they could shoot down our ballistic missiles? Although they themselves probably carry out large-scale scientific work in this area and are among the leaders in space with their own station.

        A rabbit cannot be friends with a tiger. To be friends with China, we need our fangs. And our border is empty. In 1941, at least the army was at the border, although they did not have time to gain a foothold after the capture of Poland. And now, under the guise of a friendly agreement, they tied their hands to themselves.
      2. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 15 November 2017 14: 13 New
        +2
        The most reasonable point of view is precisely in your comment. Whoever says anything, China is potentially dangerous for all neighbors. And the fact that he is not expanding the territory now does not say that he will not do this in the future. And something tells me that through a puddle to the United States, he will not climb for these purposes.
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      2. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 12 November 2017 13: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: ammunition
        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
        A great and timely article.


        Moronic article.
        The author is generally illiterate. Generally does not understand what he writes.

        I don’t know where the moron is, but the fact that the Chinese will attack the Russians is, at the very least, an axiom. And then it can only be tried when the rest of the Earth is already Chinese! Of course, it’s not worth relaxing, but all the agitation that China is a threat to Russia is liberal-Anglo-Zionist nonsense for complete morons.
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 13 November 2017 23: 50 New
          0
          [/ Quote]
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          I don’t know where the moron is, but the fact that the Chinese will attack the Russians is, at the very least, an axiom.


          Axiom straight? Why?

          [quote = Anti-Anglo-Sax] China's threat to Russia is a liberal-Anglo-Zionist delirium for complete morons.


          Something finished European morons not to rush to launch Chinese investors, they just see paranoia, absolutely baseless, right?)) And their activities in Siberia and the Far East cost them only bribes to responsible bureaucrats, who, unlike European ones, never for anything they do not bear any responsibility, no matter for what abomination. So prala, why did the Sinists attack Russia, when they were given everything so that they would ask and were allowed to do everything, without regard to the consequences.
          1. your1970
            your1970 14 November 2017 10: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Something over European morons do not rush to run to yourself Chinese investors,
            -
            1) for fun, take an interest in who owns Volvo, Telefunken and Philips - there will be a surprise .... IBM - became Lenovo ......
            And these are those who I just heard, in reality there are much more
            2)
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            only bribes to responsible officials, which, unlike European
            -just hammer in the search for "Corruption in Germany / USA / Sweden / Belgium / France / etc." - you will also be very surprised at the quantity / quality of corruption there ...
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 17 November 2017 01: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              just hammer in the search for "Corruption in Germany / USA / Sweden / Belgium / France / etc." - you will also be very surprised at the quantity / quality of corruption there ...

              I don’t have to hammer anything in order to find out about corruption both in the West and in Russia, as I am interested in politics, society and in general understand sources. What do I know from hearing about life both in the Russian Federation and in the West. In Germany, France, shorter than Western Europe, corruption is a rare exception, and the amounts there are ridiculous, in the Russian sense, and the consequences are irreversible and harsh. In Russia, the system and corruption are so impudent and banal that it’s just stupid theft. It is impossible to imagine that some high-ranking official suddenly acquired a Porsche 911, the wife of MB C class, and built a house, more expensive than usual, and that it would not interest anyone. So this is chatter about nothing, when Russian realities try to try on Western ones, they say there is also corruption. There, this is not even a tenth problem, unlike the Russian Federation, where corruption threatens to drive the country into the abyss

              Quote: your1970
              1) out of sports interest, take an interest in who owns Volvo, Telefunken and Philips - there will be a surprise .... IVM - became Lenovo ......
              And these are those who I just heard, in reality there are much more


              Having a stake and acting as an investor is not the same thing as owning and managing a company. After the experience with the Kiais in the 2000s, they began to cautiously respond to them and the Chinese would never control the concerns of the Western automobile industry. [quote] [/ quote]
              1. your1970
                your1970 17 November 2017 17: 37 New
                0
                1)
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                In Germany, France, shorter than Western Europe, corruption is a rare exception, and the amounts there are ridiculous
                -
                France-
                "Former French President Nicolas Sarkozy has been charged in the case of illegal financing of the election campaign in 2012. We are talking about financial fraud of 10 million euros.
                Ex-President of France Nicolas Sarkozy became a defendant in the next criminal case. This time, he was charged in the case of the Bygmalion PR agency, which was involved in informational support of his election campaign, BFMTV reports citing French prosecutor Francois Molens.
                According to the investigation, part of the payment for the agency’s services was carried out on fake accounts in order to hide the excess of the maximum budget allowed by law for the presidential candidate. The channel notes that according to this scheme, the PR agency spent about 10 million euros. "- 2016 year....
                "In early July, Sarkozy was charged with corruption, bribery, personal use of his official position and concealment of a violation of professional secrets. His former lawyer Thierry Erzog is charged with the same points, as well as directly with violation of professional secrets. In addition, the general the lawyer of the Court of Cassation (Supreme) Court Gilbert Aziber is accused of receiving a bribe, passive "trade in influence" (obtaining illegal benefits from someone else's official position) and hiding the fact of violation of professional secrets. "- 2011 year...
                How did things end? Zilch? " the consequences are irreversible and harsh"-sits Sarkozy apparently on the bunk ....
                Germany
                "The latest information provided by the Federal Office for the Disclosure of Criminal Cases may appear frightening for many. Literally in 2007 year in the territory of Germany was recorded about ten thousand cases of bribery, embezzlement or abuse of employment. However, already in 2011 year number of similar crimes increased to 47 thousand."- apparently everything 47 000 (!!!!!) per year (!!!!!) cases of corruption in Germany - it took a chocolate bar on his paw, or a bunch ... Not?
                Germany again
                Berlin airport. "Initially, the completion of the construction and opening of the airport was planned in 2010, then the opening date was postponed to 2011, then to 2012, finally to March 2013. Recently, German authorities again said that this time nothing will prevent the opening of the airport in October 2013 The authorities hastened to announce the exact date: October 27, 2013. However, the vast majority of Germany is sure that the airport will not appear at the end of 2013. The local authorities in Berlin began to share pessimism. The new airport may go bankrupt before the opening, because the authorities have recognized that more than 1 billion euros are not enough to complete the work. This is despite the fact that serious infrastructural problems have been discovered related to wiring, and the fire extinguishing system, and to contractors, and to management. At the same time, instead of being fired, the head of the construction complex, Rainer Schwartz, was given a fantastic salary of 550 thousand euros per year. According to estimates by the head of the Bundestag Committee on Transport, Anton Hofreiter, each month of downtime costs developers 20 million euros. And the next transfer will cost 120 million euros. According to experts from the anti-corruption organization Business Under Control in the case of the Berlin airport, corruption is 3 billion euros."" -nothing reminds ?? funny 3 000 000 000 Euro......

                2) "It is impossible to imagine that some high-ranking official suddenly acquired a Porsche 911, the wife of MB S," is you 20th century jammed ... then yesEuropean officials in Europe they were afraid that it’s glowing, but now they’re on the drum
                Here is the wife of one of the presidential candidates in France LEFT s / n received for LIP work- and silence ... They planted his wife for embezzlement of budget funds ?? Yeah, schaz .....

                3) "March 29, 2010 Chinese the company officially announced the signing of documents Acquisition of Volvo Personvagnar and rights to the Ford brand from Volvo Motor for 1,8 billion dollars. On August 2, 2010, the transaction was completed "- the entire division producing Volvo cars is completely owned by the Chinese.NOT FOR INVESTORSto the owners ..
                1. karabas-barabas
                  karabas-barabas 19 November 2017 14: 55 New
                  0
                  You yourself are not amused by the financing of the election campaign and the mistakes in designing the Berlin airport to expose here as examples of corruption and theft, as we know it in Russia?))) Although you generally showed the difference with your comments.

                  Volvo, as it was in Sweden, doesn’t have a single blueprint, not a single technical document, patent, technology, etc., got to China.
  3. Karen
    Karen 11 November 2017 09: 36 New
    +4
    I recall how in the distant 82nd I listened to the broadcast of the Voice of America radio show. It claimed that the name "Siberia" comes from the Chinese "permafrost," and the Chinese’s requests for this territory did not evaporate. :)
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 11 November 2017 10: 27 New
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      Quote: Karen
      I recall how in the distant 82nd I listened to the broadcast of the Voice of America radio show. It claimed that the name "Siberia" comes from the Chinese "permafrost," and the Chinese’s requests for this territory did not evaporate. :)

      They froze. With the fall of the ruble, the share of Chinese working for our "businessmen" plummeted. It is simply not profitable to become m work in Russia.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 11 November 2017 17: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Karen
      I recall how in the distant 82nd I listened to the broadcast of the Voice of America radio show

      Quote: Karen
      and the Chinese’s requests for this territory did not evaporate. :)

      Nothing confused? Where is the voice of America, and where are the requests of the Chinese? Call things yourselves - Anglo-Saxon requests to Siberia.
      1. Karen
        Karen 11 November 2017 19: 27 New
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        Quote: Setrac
        Quote: Karen
        I recall how in the distant 82nd I listened to the broadcast of the Voice of America radio show

        Quote: Karen
        and the Chinese’s requests for this territory did not evaporate. :)

        Nothing confused? Where is the voice of America, and where are the requests of the Chinese? Call things yourselves - Anglo-Saxon requests to Siberia.

        Nothing beguiled.
        I even remember where the radio was then, and the time - the Black Sea Fleet was passing ...
        So they didn’t have to talk to themselves, but we and the Chinese had to pit for themselves ...
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 November 2017 20: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Karen
          Nothing beguiled.

          I got it, don’t do it. The voice of America is the voice of the Anglo-Saxons, it has nothing to do with the Chinese.
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 13 November 2017 07: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Karen
          I got nothing

          The Chinese call Siberia "China" - the north.
          Even the Chinese call Northern China "Mongolia." Again, our Mongolia does not even coincide closely.
          And the lands west of Beijing are called "Kushan" - Central India. This is where the "great kung fu masters" and other Buddhist monks came from. This is never India.
          But the word "Siberia" in Chinese is of foreign origin. If you do not include the Tofalars, Tuvans, Udege, and a dozen other peoples living in Siberia among the Chinese.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 November 2017 09: 37 New
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    Earnestly. Many elements of China statistics are not available for verification. Census not conducted or? Or its results - the same propaganda as “supersonic submarines” and 5th generation fighters with engines from IL-76 ...
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 13 November 2017 07: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      the same propaganda as "supersonic submarines"

      Come on, boots will leave problems for boots. For the "mode".
  5. Masya masya
    Masya masya 11 November 2017 09: 38 New
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    Good calculations ... but no one is waiting for them here ... I won’t lie, they started their production ... the population didn’t want to buy, their "products" were curtailed ... maybe where it’s not like ours.? ... complete nonsense, tell the Siberians ... I can not vouch for the consequences ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 11 November 2017 10: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Masya Masya
      but no one is waiting for them here ... I won’t lie, my production was launched ...

      Alas. To know more about relations between China and Russia, there is the "East of Russia" news agency.
      https://www.eastrussia.ru/material/rossiya-i-kita
      y-kto-komu-nuzhnee /
      https://www.eastrussia.ru/news/glava-kabmina-dmit
      riy-medvedev-otpravlyaetsya-v-kitay /
      Here are the last two articles on GDP and DAM in China
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 11 November 2017 14: 07 New
        +6
        Nikolay, I judge by what I see and know .. love as they say on the ground ...
  6. avia12005
    avia12005 11 November 2017 09: 39 New
    +7
    This would be our liberals. They would have said for sure that 1,3 billion Chinese because they did not have Stalin ... Although Mao was also not a gift.
    1. San Sanych
      San Sanych 11 November 2017 12: 43 New
      +3
      Be that as it may, neither Stalin nor Mao, the last emperor of China, Pu Yi, was executed. There is something to ponder.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 13 November 2017 07: 45 New
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        Quote: San Sanych
        the last emperor of China Pu Yi was not executed

        Well, yes, he himself fulfilled the duty of honor ... Well, then shake something nonsense!
    2. demo
      demo 11 November 2017 14: 06 New
      +5
      He lived in China several times for three to four months.
      Communicated with one professor at Liaoning University (head of the department of linguistics of the Russian language).
      Hit the millstone of the cultural revolution.
      According to Chinese researchers, the result of the revolution is about 100 million people.
      So Mao is still that gift.
      1. San Sanych
        San Sanych 11 November 2017 17: 38 New
        +3
        /// about 100 million people. /// and why not 150 billion? and yet, specifically, what kind of "Chinese researchers" are these? and are they really chinese? maybe they are SALZHENitsensky.
        1. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 12 November 2017 18: 50 New
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          On the orders of the party, the Chinese people cleaned out all the sparrows from the country and could arrange with their own. Although the numbers are much smaller anyway
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 13 November 2017 07: 52 New
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            Yes. And delayed bird flu for 50 years.
            The cultural revolution is equivalent to the Red Vsevobuch.
            Those who fled to us from the cultural revolution (as agreed by the countries!) Did not look very bright.
        2. yehat
          yehat 13 November 2017 14: 35 New
          0
          you underestimate the hunweibins. It did the same thing that ardent patriots like Khrushchev or Hungarian "activists" like Bel Kun did in Ukraine.
          Rivers of blood, a huge amount of ruined heritage and labor. Hunger. Decline.
          As a result, Mao deals with them in the same way as Hitler and Rem's stormtroopers.
  7. Lganhi
    Lganhi 11 November 2017 10: 20 New
    +4
    I fully agree with the article. You can also watch a video on this topic in YouTube:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkQ4axSoDiY&t
    = 22s
    The Chinese are still storytellers. If you believe them, almost everything was invented in China, right up to the sea mines in the 15th century in the form of wooden barrels (I neighing because of this, imagining how they achieved complete tightness, and most importantly, what kind of fuse was this mines, really a capsule detonator wassat ) They allegedly sailed to Africa in 1400 under the leadership of Admiral Jae He, however, for some reason, Arab and Indian sources do not mention this at all.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 13 November 2017 07: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Lgankhi
      however, for some reason, Arab and Indian sources do not mention this at all.

      But wherever the brave expeditionaries sailed, they met Chinatowns everywhere.
    2. your1970
      your1970 13 November 2017 13: 55 New
      +2
      have you ever seen wooden barrels? or doesn’t know that they used to ferment cabbage and that the brine did not flow out - i.e. was there any tightness? And when squeezing the outside of the rivets (in the water) was it also densely consolidated?
      Here with fuses, yes, an ambush ....
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 14 November 2017 00: 03 New
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        And what, flint was not think? Or did not know about such a stone? Actually, as a rar, flint has been using mankind since pre-civilization times to stupidly fire. Gunpowder among the Chinese has also been available for at least 800 years, although it has been used for centuries for fireworks and crackers, and not for military purposes. Equip on all sides a barrel with protruding blades that enter the barrel to create friction sufficient to create sparks, which in turn ignite the powder.
        1. your1970
          your1970 14 November 2017 08: 20 New
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          the force required to create a spark - exceeds the force required to simply repel a sufficiently light barrel
  8. Rostislav
    Rostislav 11 November 2017 10: 21 New
    +7
    Thank! First of all, for reminding you, the question should be considered from different angles and analyze the information that they are trying to feed you.
  9. Lex.
    Lex. 11 November 2017 10: 24 New
    +1
    Why Russian how many Chinese have lost territories in the Far East, for example
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 11 November 2017 17: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Lex.
      Why Russian how many Chinese have lost territories in the Far East, for example

      Specify your statement, what territories have the Chinese lost?
  10. antivirus
    antivirus 11 November 2017 10: 30 New
    +7
    FOR ALL - LAUGH
    prim in 2012, a friend said in the garages. under the stack.
    in 07, he went to Ekater-g with a check of St. Railway. back in a compartment with the Chinese rode.
    "We can have 1 child, others in no law.
    without a passport, honey and education, and a fine for a larger number of children, but still give birth, they are not shown to inspectors. "(Is it in the village?) The time comes and you need to put a person somewhere (not verbatim) - you have to pay for crossing the border border-m. There, he claims the loss of a passport and a new man is obtained (officer birth? and life?) "Give birth to a heir boy" (peasant psychology).
    "I (a Chinese) from the beginning of the 90s have been alive in Ekater-e 2 shops in the markets, here I go to Moscow, to Cherkiz-th - --- I can still open a shop, /////// I’m happy with life, no matter where I'm not going to leave-- not verbatim /////////
    NOBODY KNOWS THE NUMBER OF CHINESE AND AUTHORITY.
    CHILDREN ARE HIDDEN. NUMBER OF POPULATION WILL BE APPROXIMATELY EXACTLY EXPRESSED, WHEN 2 \ 3 POPULATIONS WILL LIVE - WORK IN LARGE INDUSTRY AND CITIES.
    how in the USSR peasants gave birth to workers + assistants for the old age.
    WATCH THE DATA ON PENSIONS + LABOR PRODUCTIVITY IN PROM-TI AND S \ HOZ-E, AND GRAIN, MEAT-- CAN BE GROWED ON THE BALCONY
    no answer about the number of Chinese
    1. already a Muscovite
      already a Muscovite 12 November 2017 16: 58 New
      0
      Cherkizon was closed in 2009 ...
    2. your1970
      your1970 13 November 2017 13: 57 New
      0
      Quote: antivirus
      ON PENSIONS
      -NOT all Chinese are paid pensions to a fairly limited circle of people ...
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 13 November 2017 18: 46 New
        0
        when they start massively, then it will be possible to count. INDEPENDENT STATE STATISTICS WILL BE IMF OR DR HUMAN RIGHTS WILL BEGIN - "you oppress 700 or 1200 million people with a very small salary and they will have an abusive pension"
  11. anatoly57
    anatoly57 11 November 2017 10: 45 New
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    During my military service, the 70s, there was a joke that the Chinese did not need to fight the USSR, just declare war and immediately surrender and surrender. And then we'll see who is in captivity.
    But seriously, my daughter now lives and works in China, in Foshan, near Guangzhou, so in the photographs of city streets the question always begs: Where is the billion? The streets are half empty!
    1. Professor
      Professor 11 November 2017 13: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: anatoly57
      But seriously, my daughter now lives and works in China, in Foshan, near Guangzhou, so in the photographs of city streets the question always begs: Where is the billion? The streets are half empty!

      In the afternoon, everyone is at work, but try to go out on Saturday night to Nanjing Street in Shanghai ...
    2. demo
      demo 11 November 2017 14: 16 New
      +9
      He lived in Shenyang (Liaoning Province).
      The population is officially 7.4 million.
      During the day, during working hours the streets are empty.
      I ask the translator - where are the people?
      She answers - they work.
      But in the evening and early in the morning the city turns into an anthill. Tinkering, honking, stirring.
      At 22.00 - peace and quiet. The Chinese like birds on a twig and fell asleep.
      And this is for 1200-1300 yuan per month. Despite the fact that our labor was paid twice as high. ( compared).
      And God forbid the intensity of labor among the Chinese.
      He lived in an apartment on the 27th floor.
      I go out at night to the loggia. Time 0.00. And city construction projects are all flooded with welding and spotlights.
      There is arable land 24 hours a day.
      We must thank Putin and his sidekick and bow at the feet for concern.
  12. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 11 November 2017 11: 15 New
    +5
    An interesting look, but could scientists dealing with these issues professionally be 2 times mistaken? Although ... where to go far for examples, our losses in the Second World War as soon as they do not distort and recount.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2017 12: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Vasya Vassin
      but could scientists dealing with these issues professionally be 2 times mistaken?

      and they were dealing with this issue?
  13. Nemesis
    Nemesis 11 November 2017 11: 15 New
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    The points. 1) It is obvious that China needs living space and oil, no one argues with this, but not so simple. 2) Siberia is not a very pleasant place to live, oil in Siberia is of poor quality, and its production is expensive due to harsh climatic conditions. 3) The Russian army, in spite of all its problems, is still a serious opponent and to fight with the Russian Federation, this is pulling death for a mustache. 4) China is actively building a fleet and significantly reduced its land army, and China does not need a fleet for war with the Russian Federation. It is obvious that oil is cheaper and easier to produce on the disputed islands and the shelf with Japan and China will fight for it. For this, China needs a fleet. 5) The expansion of the borders of China is possible, but for this, it is not necessary for China to capture Russian Baikal and run into Russian missiles. Near China, Vietnam and Thailand, rich in water resources, whose armies have nothing more serious than the antediluvian Soviet and American tanks T-55 and M60, respectively, which are not a serious obstacle to the Chinese army. It has a mild climate, comfortable for living, and not icy Siberia. In addition, there is Kazakhstan, with its weak army and very complicated relations with the Russian Federation, which can also become the object of expanding the borders of China. .... Conclusion: Russia should not relax, but a war with China today is unlikely. Rather, Russia will have to fight with Japan than with China.
    1. max702
      max702 11 November 2017 11: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: Nemesis
      . Rather, Russia will have to fight with Japan than with China.

      This is generally fantastic! how do you imagine that? The population density of Japan will not allow any war with a technologically advanced power, you will forgive me, but with the Japanese we and nuclear weapons will not need a couple of hundred cruise missiles and the whole country will disappear in man-made disasters .. There are 130 million of them on tiny islands, the slightest movements and all hello to the 19th century. We’ll demolish nuclear power plants, chemical enterprises, other especially dangerous facilities and the entire finish line ... Well, if the US type fits in, then the northern fox will come to everyone without exception ...
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 11 November 2017 11: 58 New
        +4
        In Japan, nationalism is traditionally strong, the Japanese army is rebuilding, and today Japan has a huge fleet and an ally in the person of the United States, which, in case of war, will take over the air defense of Japan. There are Yankees in Japan, but the United States and its allies increasingly believe in their missile defense, permissiveness and impunity.
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon 11 November 2017 12: 28 New
          +5
          The Japanese are dying faster than Europeans, work ethic without a samurai spirit has broken the nation.
        2. R-140
          R-140 11 November 2017 14: 15 New
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          Are you sure? The United States never forgets anything. They remember Vietnam and how they lost.
      2. Conrad
        Conrad 11 November 2017 20: 04 New
        +1
        In a first approximation, all of the factors you listed were also valid in '41. Nevertheless, no one prevented Japan from starting a war with a "technologically advanced power"
        1. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 12 November 2017 18: 56 New
          +1
          And you do not compare the Japanese who put on death row belts were torn by Soviet tanks, climbed on airplanes one-day in order to drown the Yankees, massively killed themselves together with civilians so that modern Japanese would not be captured.
          And even then, a number of Japanese soldiers understood that they would not withstand the war with the United States if they did not make concessions after their gambit.
        2. max702
          max702 13 November 2017 22: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Conrad
          In a first approximation, all of the factors you listed were also valid in '41. Nevertheless, no one prevented Japan from starting a war with a "technologically advanced power"

          Oh wei ... Nothing that times have changed a lot? What then could a bomber squadron break through Japan’s air defense and what now? In our country, nothing has changed the vast territory and the smallest population .. And Japan? everything became sadder ... More people, more values, different objects of paramount importance an order of magnitude more .. It seems to me that this modern squadron will suit, for example, Tokyo, the Stone Age and without nuclear weapons .. The world has become very fragile, the slightest problem and that's it .. Everything will go in distribution ..
    2. Karen
      Karen 11 November 2017 11: 39 New
      +2
      Sakhalin is sweet for everyone ... Both for the Japanese and the Chinese ... And if you also remember that the Yankees invested in Sakhalin-1 at the very beginning, then it's time for outside observers to buy popcorn.
    3. San Sanych
      San Sanych 11 November 2017 12: 07 New
      +1
      The Japanese also should not rock the boat, even if they acquire nuclear weapons, which they currently do not have.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 11 November 2017 12: 20 New
        +3
        It and the United States should not rock the boat, but they rock the boat ...
    4. Kirill Popov
      Kirill Popov 11 November 2017 23: 16 New
      +2
      "China is actively building a fleet and significantly reduced its land army"

      The size of the army was reduced, while its technological effectiveness and combat effectiveness were increased significantly. We have three strategic directions on land, and they have only one, to the north. They can concentrate their entire fleet against our Pacific Fleet and send their entire army to Baikal and block BAM.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 12 November 2017 10: 15 New
        +6
        They can, but why !? The Chinese BAM’s capture of Russian missiles launched around China will not stop .... Why should China fight the nuclear missile RF when there are such nishtyaks nearby as Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Kazakhstan .... whose armies do not pose a threat to China from words AT ALL ?!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 12 November 2017 10: 23 New
          +8
          Quote: Nemesis
          Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Kazakhstan .... whose armies do not pose a threat to China from the word AT ALL

          But I forgot - Kazakhstan, is it, for an hour, not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization? wink
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 12 November 2017 10: 26 New
            +5
            Among my friends there are two families of Russian refugees, from Alma-Ata and I’d better go to jail than go to Kazakhstan to fight ... I don’t consider the republic of the former Soviet Union as allies of the Russian Federation, they are all sick with Russophobia. There are so many of me ... So that you are going to the front yourself ... This is not for you to cling to people on the site, as you like here ...
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              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 12 November 2017 10: 40 New
                +6
                It’s bad that the Kremlin now has a lot of people like you who feed at the expense and expense of Russia independent states like Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan ... having scored on problems in Russia itself ... The bottom line: I won’t go to fight for foreigners, your opinion it’s interesting that you are nobody for me, no matter how you love yourself and how smart you consider yourself to be ... You’re constantly getting into the mind of everyone, considering yourself the smartest ... Don’t praise yourself like that, wait for others to praise ...
                1. your1970
                  your1970 13 November 2017 14: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  The dry residue: I won’t go to fight for foreigners, your opinion is not interesting, you are nobody for me, no matter how you love yourself and no matter how smart you consider yourself
                  -you are strongly called into the army ??? Right here they cry- "without you in any way !!! it’s bad for us here in the army without you !! urgently to us !!" ??

                  And for the RK have to fight, if-God forbid! China is about to fight with him. Otherwise, in a month the Chinese army will be within walking distance from Astrakhan / Volgograd / Saratov / Samara / Orenburg / and further along most the world's longest land border ...
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 13 November 2017 14: 11 New
                    +1
                    Russia has its own borders and an attack on a foreign state, this is not an attack on the Russian Federation
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 13 November 2017 14: 42 New
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                      correctly!!!
                      only how will we react in the event of a breakthrough to the listed cities? Will we fire in our territory? Or in Beijing? so then the Chinese army will be FORCED to advance forward inland, away from the infected areas ...
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 13 November 2017 14: 43 New
                        +1
                        According to Beijing, an army without supplies is not an army ...
                      2. karabas-barabas
                        karabas-barabas 14 November 2017 00: 28 New
                        0
                        If China decides to seize the Russian lands, then most likely parts of Siberia and the Far East, where it will gain a foothold. This can happen if there are, say, “turbulent times” in the Russian Federation, due to the economic situation, separatist movements. Here under a similar pretext, supposedly to ensure their own security, they can come in. Everything else is not clear from any considerations, since, due to resources and territories, until recently, in 1945 they finally stopped fighting. And nothing to the regret of the Russian Federation will be able to do them, there will be nothing to knock them out, neither specialist people, nor even so much equipment in the Russian Federation. What are they afraid of when 90% of the Russian army is deployed in the west? The use of nuclear weapons in this case of schizophrenia. Where to apply it? In captured cities ?? That is, in its territory ?? Or hit Beijing and risk a retaliatory strike on the western part of the Russian Federation, after which the Russian state will disappear? They are not fanatics in the Kremlin, they are kamikazes, they didn’t equip Rublevka for anyone with anybody, they will hand over what they need when they press it.
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    5. antivirus
      antivirus 12 November 2017 07: 11 New
      +2
      In addition, there is Kazakhstan, with its weak army and very complicated relations with the Russian Federation, which can also become the object of expanding the borders of China.


      - Next Prime Minister of China - Uyghur ?? -for "caring" for his brothers in the steppes of Kazakhstan and after the death of Nazarbayev?
    6. Anatoly Morozov
      Anatoly Morozov 13 November 2017 09: 51 New
      +2
      (Oil in Siberia is of poor quality, and its production is expensive due to harsh climatic conditions.) Where does this data come from? In the late 80s, the Lena Geological Expedition discovered many deposits of very high-quality oil that is already being pumped. He worked there. I agree that not everything is taken into account in the article, but in general - it’s not worth scolding the author. Zeros can be attributed to us. And this activity is not always useless.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 16 November 2017 04: 16 New
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        Do you even read about the prices of oil of different grades and its quality on the Internet before writing this
  14. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 11 November 2017 11: 27 New
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    The fattest and most gorgeous plus !!! good fellow
    I personally am always for a sound mind, for logical and simple explanations. Let it be economics, politics or demography.
    This article by Comrade Skomorokhov showed why it is not worth believing in certain statements that we are forced to believe in. AU, HISTORIANS, YOU ARE CONCERNING !!!!
    And if this method is applied to the search for answers in history, then many awkward things will become quite understandable and explainable. request But so many people who official historians show their "fi" and the evidence of which is declared heresy argue like this yes
    Bravo, Roman! good hi
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 13 November 2017 00: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Bravo, Roman!

      Indeed, Bravo. A man in the 21 largest city of China has 82,5 million people.
      In reality, in Shanghai alone, according to the 2010 census, there were 23 million people, now, of course, more.
      That is, what is written in the article is not just a lie, it is a lie of a cosmic scale.
      Quote: Rurikovich
      This article by Comrade Skomorokhov showed why it is not worth believing in certain statements that we are forced to believe in. AU, HISTORIANS, YOU ARE CONCERNING !!!!

      He only showed how stupid the post-Soviet inhabitants became if they believed in such nonsense.
  15. ver_
    ver_ 11 November 2017 12: 12 New
    +5
    Quote: Lgankhi
    I fully agree with the article. You can also watch a video on this topic in YouTube:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkQ4axSoDiY&t
    = 22s
    The Chinese are still storytellers. If you believe them, almost everything was invented in China, right up to the sea mines in the 15th century in the form of wooden barrels (I neighing because of this, imagining how they achieved complete tightness, and most importantly, what kind of fuse was this mines, really a capsule detonator wassat ) They allegedly sailed to Africa in 1400 under the leadership of Admiral Jae He, however, for some reason, Arab and Indian sources do not mention this at all.

    ... all the antiquity of China was written in the 17th century .. All the information received from the caravaners was recorded in their achievements .. and silk and gunpowder (well, to hell with gunpowder, if there are no guns) ...
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 November 2017 14: 32 New
      +1
      Gunpowder was also used in rockets. Primitive MLRSs have long been known.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 13 November 2017 08: 45 New
        0
        .. don’t make a * hole * - it’s already funny ..
  16. Sergey824
    Sergey824 11 November 2017 12: 40 New
    +4
    Thanks to the author for the article. And then horror movies love everywhere, draw zeros, who is more. And indeed, such a number of “neighbors” does not add calmness to us.
  17. Professor
    Professor 11 November 2017 13: 11 New
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    One and a half billion Chinese dreaming of Russian lands - true or fiction?

    1. For more than 10 years I have been constantly in China. With some Chinese people are already on friendly terms. Friendships, and no more, although they call me "brother." A lot of fire water was drunk together ... drinks
    2. I can’t say about one and a half billion, but some Chinese in private conversations claim that the Far East is the original Chinese territories occupied by Russia. They showed me the map. They claimed that they would regain these territories.
    3. The true demographic picture of China (density and population) is top secret. The Chinese are much more than 1.5 billion. My "Chinese comrades" claim that the government deliberately underestimates all figures. "We paid a heavy price for the birth control policy. We all have one child each. The government cannot admit that this policy failed. In practice, the number of children outside the cities is unlimited."- from the speech of my Chinese colleague.
    4. In China, approximately 50 million (fifty million) more men than women. Something needs to be done with them otherwise this mass, which cannot physically find a woman, can do wonders. The Politburo would have been glad that these 50'000'000 men had disappeared or, say, died in the holy war.
    5. IMHO not so terrible Chinese military power as Chinese economic power. They will buy any corrupt power in any country.
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    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 November 2017 14: 31 New
      +4
      And I affirm that all of China is originally Russian territories occupied by some obscure Chinese. And Alaska and California all the more.
    3. demo
      demo 11 November 2017 14: 32 New
      11
      I will answer.
      I saw such cards. And I heard such conversations.
      I was in the city of Dalian (Far). Earlier there was Port Arthur.
      The Chinese declares to me that we are Russian occupiers.
      I read him an excerpt from our book "The family of fellow travelers. Dilogy."
      "- Gentlemen, allow me to dwell on the financial side of the issue raised. According to the estimates of the Ministry of Finance, our expenses in the Liaodong district as of January 1, 1901 amounted to 541 million gold rubles. This included rent for 25 years, investments in the construction of fortifications, and the costs of building a railway section to Port Arthur, the movement of troops and navy in Port Arthur.
      However, it is necessary to take into account a number of costs that the Russian state will incur in case of abandonment of the Liaodong district: these are the costs of the withdrawal of troops and armaments, the construction of housing for military personnel being withdrawn from this region, and the strengthening of the new border with China. As well as our losses from the termination of the use of the transferred railway, ports of Port Arthur and Dalniy, abandoned industrial enterprises.
      In general, the total losses of Russia, which should be compensated to us, amount to about 583 million gold rubles. "
      He declares to me that this is a kind of fiction.
      I had to find on the Internet an image of a contract and a receipt on receipt of money from the Russian government. (Stored in the Winter Palace). Calmed down after that.
      And then already brutalized.
      By the way - this happened after the very "Mount" of the Beijing flood.
      1. Gabriel
        Gabriel 15 November 2017 02: 23 New
        +3
        Then someone raised the question of the Chinese wall, saying that it is directed by loopholes towards China. Yes it is a fact. Simply, they do not know how to fight. By the way, Peter the Great, introducing the Gregorian calendar, canceled the Slavic calendar, which according to some sources began its reckoning, from the conclusion of a peace treaty with China. My chairman lived for about 30 years in Yakutia, constantly traveling to Vladivostok, then to Japan, then to China. So he told me, Chinese children are taught at school that the Far East, Vladivostok and Khabarovsk are occupied Chinese territories by Russia. By the way, these two cities in Chinese have their own names, which cannot be said for example about Novosibirsk, or Irkutsk, the same Moscow, which is also called (sounds) in Chinese, but in general they call them, "Northern Provinces". So with China we are still fighting, a matter of time!
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    5. Amurets
      Amurets 12 November 2017 00: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      2. I can’t say about one and a half billion, but some Chinese in private conversations claim that the Far East is the original Chinese territories occupied by Russia. They showed me the map. They claimed that they would regain these territories.

      Cupid never belonged to the Chinese. The Manchus, they lived on the banks of the Amur, but there were few of them. It is impossible to judge the history of these territories because nomadic peoples who did not have a written language lived here. The map that was shown to you, yes this is the map of the Nerchinsk Treaty of 1689
      years, but the Manchus never lived in these territories. Why do I rely on the Manchus, because the Qing dynasty came to power in China. "Remaining the dominant group in the Qing Empire, the Manchus soon adopted Chinese culture, but their historical homeland, Manchuria, was never fully integrated with the conquered inner China, preserving legal and ethnic differences. To control the access of ethnic Chinese (Han) to the central and northern Manchuria (that is, beyond the borders of Liaodong), for the settlement or collection of ginseng and other natural resources, a special Willow hedge was even built in the middle of the XNUMXth century. Only in the second half of the XNUMXth century, after the loss of Amur and Primorye, did the Qing leadership realize the need to settle "The eastern outskirts of the country and strengthen the state budget, and opened the way for the mass settlement of Manchuria by the Chinese."
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 13 November 2017 15: 19 New
        0
        We took Cupid from the Americans. And the agreement was upon the transfer of Alaska.
        American colonies were all over the "gray zone" to Khabarovsk.
        They were finally eliminated in the year 33.
  18. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 11 November 2017 13: 31 New
    10
    Uryazing Chinese less than we were told about this! Tucking the Russian Federation still wow. Kuzkina mother and all affairs. What do we get from the population of China, eh? You better tell me what the hell they have high-speed rail and motorways so much more than ours? Why do we pay so many taxes, and the roads are normal at the national level miserable? You need to think about your state and people, otherwise all Americans choose a presenter, the Chinese people think. Syria also needs to be restored. There are no towns and villages. It is necessary to lower the loot to nowhere, and then normally hang out in London with the wording is not us. These are all uncouth people. Ugh. I would still believe in all this propaganda with the union, but now. They drive resources for bucks and pretend that they are so miserable and miserable. What Trump offends them. And for me it’s so easy to fill the price. They cannot even finish how many of their own. But the Chinese definitely need to find a flaw so that our 140 million looks digestible against this background. It’s funny. Ha ha
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 November 2017 14: 29 New
      +4
      Probably because they have no more roads or bugs. Download further.
  19. radio operator
    radio operator 11 November 2017 13: 33 New
    +7
    I don’t think so. Although, if weakened and the Russian Federation disintegrates according to the liberal scenario, then China, do not be a fool, will take up a fragment of another former Russia. We will be strong, no one will touch us.
  20. Skywa1ker
    Skywa1ker 11 November 2017 13: 40 New
    +3
    Given the fact that the Chinese in the unofficial press call Siberia their "northern territories" - the threat is quite real. The Chinese are actively populating the Far East. I always thought - why the Chinese 5 tank armies? Against the USA? It’s funny. India? Tibet is ineffective. The Silk Road 2 initiative broadens the scope for this horde.
    Everyone knows that they, in the guise of our anti-American hysteria, have moved the deployment of medium-range missiles to our borders ?!
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 13 November 2017 15: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Skywa1ker
      Given the fact that the Chinese in the unofficial press call Siberia their "northern territories"

      The Chinese call Siberia "China", and themselves - "China." And yes, "China" is the land in the north. But where are the "friends" here?
      Just do not read newspapers with American sponsors, do not earn a dislocation of the brain (if there is one, for which I hope).
      1. Skywa1ker
        Skywa1ker 22 November 2017 19: 10 New
        0
        I read newspaper propaganda sites like this, so I think I have earned my right to read newspapers with "American sponsors." Not against newspapers with "Israeli" or even "New Guinean" sponsors. I like to compare points of view and verify information. Not everyone likes to strain the brain, some even consider its normal work - a dislocation ... Have a nice day.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 23 November 2017 13: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Skywa1ker
          I like to compare points of view and verify information.

          Not having basic knowledge?
          Quote: Skywa1ker
          Not everyone likes to strain the brain, some even consider its normal functioning a dislocation ...

          For the normal functioning of the brain, at least its presence is required. With what I congratulate you. 12 days to confirm.
          1. Skywa1ker
            Skywa1ker 23 November 2017 20: 10 New
            0
            Quote: sogdy
            Quote: Skywa1ker
            I like to compare points of view and verify information.
            Not having basic knowledge?
            Quote: Skywa1ker
            Not everyone likes to strain the brain, some even consider its normal functioning a dislocation ...
            For the normal functioning of the brain, at least its presence is required. With what I congratulate you. 12 days to confirm.

            Such clumsy attempts to subtly pin up cause only a good-natured smile and sympathy - there is an intellectual limit, and I am indulgent to the disabled. If you do not give a damn about my opinion, I just have to wipe yours. Have a good day.
  21. Skywa1ker
    Skywa1ker 11 November 2017 13: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: radio operator
    I don’t think so. Although, if weakened and the Russian Federation disintegrates according to the liberal scenario, then China, do not be a fool, will take up a fragment of another former Russia. We will be strong, no one will touch us.

    Strong is how? With a minus economy?
  22. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 11 November 2017 13: 50 New
    0
    The Chinese are our brothers !!!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2017 15: 15 New
      +7
      Quote: Kurochkin
      The Chinese are our brothers !!!
      ?
      And who are you?
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 12 November 2017 11: 55 New
        +2
        Apparently brother of a respected Israeli colleague
        Quote: Professor
        I have been in China for over 10 years. ... they call me "brother"
        and as you know, my brother’s brother is my brother
  23. olezenka1
    olezenka1 11 November 2017 13: 53 New
    +2
    The article is good. Soothing. In the most normal human sense, according to the author’s worthy calculations. I believe.
    1. staviator
      staviator 11 November 2017 16: 47 New
      +1
      You can find a lot of information in the internet about Chinese cities-ghosts, where they are completely empty. Somehow this does not fit very closely with the overpopulation of China. request
      [media = http: //fishki.net/42737-zagadka-kitajskih-
      gorodov-prizrakov-12-foto.html]
  24. iouris
    iouris 11 November 2017 13: 58 New
    +1
    140 million Chinese are enough to settle the Russian Federation.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 11 November 2017 14: 16 New
      12
      Quote: iouris
      140 million Chinese are enough to settle the Russian Federation.

      And how much does it take for you to stop bullshit? The Chinese, in the sense of how much?
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  25. EvilLion
    EvilLion 11 November 2017 14: 28 New
    0
    In all these numbers, I was surprised by the following: if in China 1.3 lard, and in the USA 300 million with equal GDP, then the chinas are living in 4 times worse, and this is a very serious difference.
    1. Vitaly
      Vitaly 11 November 2017 15: 15 New
      +2
      It is impossible to determine the standard of living by GDP. Especially compare!
    2. iouris
      iouris 12 November 2017 13: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      it turns out they live 4 times worse, and this is a very serious difference.

      Your reasoning is logical problems. No. 1 - such a country as China will never achieve a standard of living, in other words, the level of consumption achieved in the USA - there will not be enough resources, No. 2 - the Chinese work a lot and live better (not the standard of living is important, but dynamics), while many Americans living worse, No. 3 - it is necessary to take into account the difference in the level of consumption of the "upper" 1,5% and the "lower" 90% of the population.
      In the PRC, approximately 400 million people (and this is comparable to the EU population) have reached a level of consumption comparable to European.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 13 November 2017 15: 30 New
        0
        Quote: iouris
        reached consumption

        Here you have used the terminoid several times. Does this termoid have a qualitative (that is, measurable) expression? I don’t even ask about the meaning, because it was never found. By the way, since the time of Voltaire.
        1. iouris
          iouris 13 November 2017 15: 44 New
          0
          Quote: sogdy
          Does this termoid have a qualitative (that is, measurable) expression?

          You are, by and large, right. But in circulation there is also the concept of "quality of life." Nevertheless, generally accepted methods exist for measuring both quantitative and qualitative parameters of the existence of people in different countries. So comparing is permissible.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 14 November 2017 06: 06 New
            0
            Quote: iouris
            generally accepted methods exist for measuring both quantitative and qualitative parameters of the existence of people in different countries

            Surprise but no. There are European-colonialist methods. But they do not apply to the essence of _comparison_.
  26. korriphila
    korriphila 11 November 2017 14: 30 New
    +2
    Fuck the Chinese permafrost ...
    1. ver_
      ver_ 11 November 2017 16: 38 New
      0
      ... each race has its own diseases ..
    2. iouris
      iouris 12 November 2017 13: 10 New
      0
      Quote: korriphila
      Fuck the Chinese permafrost ...

      And us?
    3. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 12 November 2017 19: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: korriphila
      Ahren Chinese permafrost ...

      Resources, clear water, land. Few ?
  27. geologist
    geologist 11 November 2017 14: 50 New
    +5
    In the Far East, a very expensive life, and the prices are too high crime. The Chinese are not allowed to serious things, they mainly have a business in trade and minor car repairs. I repaired my “souf” from the Chinese and they took a miserable price while at our service station the fellow countrymen sought to tear off breathtaking money, and the Chinese behaved very modestly and politely, while our locksmith posing as Messi and Maradona. They are trying to start business in the field of geology, but without Russian specialists it is very difficult - local geologists are reluctant to go to work for them.
  28. Vitaly
    Vitaly 11 November 2017 15: 10 New
    0
    Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!
  29. Tektor
    Tektor 11 November 2017 15: 47 New
    +2
    Is it true that 1,5 billion Chinese people dream of Russian land?
    Truth. And I would dream in their place, because it is rational. But the article does not take into account one point. In some southern provinces, crops can be harvested 3 times a year. For example, in Sichuan, where the temperature drops lower in winter, January + February, +10 is extremely rare, and in the summer, in July - August, there is a heat of +35 at 100% humidity: if you stick a dry stick into the ground, it will bloom. There are cockroaches, like we have locusts and spiders with a frog.
  30. syndicalist
    syndicalist 11 November 2017 16: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    The same story with India ..

    Isn’t it the same with us? If the results of the Soviet censuses can still be considered reliable, the censuses of 2002 and 2010 inspire more doubt than real information. I perfectly remember the censuses of the 70s and 79s, when preparations were underway for six months, when all the tenants were waiting for the census takers at the appointed time. Is this compare with the latest Russian? At my entrance, the scribes, besides my apartment, were allowed only one more. Yes, and there where they let go, half called themselves elves and goblins. More reliable figures could be obtained using data from the registry offices and the migration service. However, you are unlikely to find this data on the net. Is it because these data will show much sadder statistics? Are there at least 100 million of us? I doubt it.
  31. Monarchist
    Monarchist 11 November 2017 16: 49 New
    +4
    Roman, thank you for the informative work.
    I thought that all the Chinese are the same for Europeans, but the Chinese themselves do not distinguish each other.
    I imagined such a picture: the statistics consider “well, counted to the left, but not counted to the right”, if so, can it somehow work out?
    Roman is right: suspiciously there were a lot of publications with a goal: to embroil us and China. And for some reason, it seems to me that the articles, if they don’t write in Washington, at least dictate: “Aloe, is this Benedict? You need to add a couple of articles this quarter that China will start to fight now, or“ China and US friends forever "Yes. Tell Analnoy to add revelations about the Kremlin.
  32. Monarchist
    Monarchist 11 November 2017 17: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: olezenka1
    The article is good. Soothing. In the most normal human sense, according to the author’s worthy calculations. I believe.

    I agree: the author’s calculations are convincing. And that the Chinese think so, I see several reasons: 1 "window dressing, it is also window dressing in China" Mao had to show that thanks to his wise leadership and so on. This, like Roman, said: “they take arapa: if we fart together we will trindets” 2.can they be so similar that they think one or two or three times or are they illiterate?
  33. DimanC
    DimanC 11 November 2017 17: 11 New
    +8
    The same V.M. Zaznobin talked about his conversation with a senior Chinese man. The Chinese warned that they would scare us with this very "settlement" of Siberia and the Pacific region of Russia. But, according to this Chinese, they are a southern people, and they do not like our Russian climate at all. Come, work - yes, you can. Relocate - no, brrrr, it's cold. Well, in the same place: could the Chinese not have been able to populate our present Pacific region before the Russians arrived there? Of course they could, but they didn’t.
    And if now relate to current realities? Where is the attention of the current Chinese? That's right - to Southeast Asia. And the territory of China itself is mainly populated in the southeast, which confirms the words of this very Chinese.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 11 November 2017 17: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: DimanC
      And if now relate to current realities?

      Absolutely right.
      Five thousand years, they did not meddle in the north, and now they convince us that China has that desire .. well, they would rather look at those frightened by their myths against whom the Chinese Armed Forces are now imprisoned, when the naval forces are reduced with emphasis on deploying the forces of the Navy in that including the Marine Corps .. And this is the South, Southeast, Africa.
    2. iouris
      iouris 12 November 2017 13: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: DimanC
      they are the southern people, and they do not like our Russian climate at all.

      1) Ukrainians are also not a northern people, however, according to statistics, many worked for the "northern allowance". 2) Clothes and shoes produced in which country is 80% of the population of the Russian Federation wearing?
      What is needed is not so much territory in general, but natural resources, communications and fertile land. The problem of water resources is also very acute. Therefore, the dissolution of the USSR is a gift both for the West and for China.
  34. dDYHA
    dDYHA 11 November 2017 17: 38 New
    +8
    China needs Baikal. Rather, everyone will need it. With water, it seems that there really will be a problem in the near future.
  35. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 11 November 2017 17: 38 New
    +8
    Yeah, when the Chinese attack, we will show them such articles. As in 1941, the Wehrmacht said that the workers and peasants were brothers forever. So they drove to Moscow.
    China is preparing for war with us - this is understandable to any fool (except for those already completely frostbitten, descendants of those who shouted in the late 30s that "the German proletariat is the USSR’s best ally"). "The best ally of the USSR" quickly reached Moscow and Leningrad. And those who shouted this nonsense, for the most part, died a terrible death. History does not teach us anything Slavs. Now the Chinas have been recorded, from some Budun, as allies. But they don’t think so. And they are preparing to fight in a harsh winter. (probably with Vietnam)
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 11 November 2017 17: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      China is preparing for war with us

      Brad.
      China is preparing its forces to defeat the enemy in its most turbulent region, the Xinjiang Uyghur region, and there are no tropics at all.
      In the second case, it will prevent the United States and Japan if they decide to chop off the Russian Far East. I hope you understand why?
    2. Old Horseradish
      Old Horseradish 11 November 2017 17: 48 New
      +6
      "There will be no war!" - TASS stated on June 13, 1941. And before the war, a little more than a week remained.
      "TASS report dated June 13, 1941

      Even before the arrival of the English ambassador to the USSR, Mr. Cripps, in London, especially after his arrival, rumors about the "proximity of the war between the USSR and Germany" began to be circulated in the English and foreign press in general. According to these rumors:
      1. Germany allegedly presented claims of a territorial and economic nature to the USSR and negotiations are now underway between Germany and the USSR to conclude a new, closer agreement between them;
      2. The USSR allegedly rejected these claims, in connection with which Germany began to concentrate its troops near the borders of the USSR with the aim of attacking the USSR;
      3. The Soviet Union, in turn, began to intensely prepare for war with Germany and is concentrating troops near the borders of the latter.
      Despite the obvious senselessness of these rumors, responsible circles in Moscow nevertheless considered it necessary, in view of the persistent exaggeration of these rumors, to authorize TASS to declare that these rumors are a clumsy concocted propaganda of forces hostile to the USSR and Germany, interested in further expanding and unleashing a war.
      TASS states that:
      1. Germany did not make any claims to the USSR and does not propose any new, closer agreement, which is why negotiations on this subject could not take place;
      2. According to the USSR, Germany is also steadily complying with the terms of the Soviet-German non-aggression pact, as is the Soviet Union, which is why, according to Soviet circles, rumors about Germany’s intention to break the pact and launch an attack on the USSR are devoid of any soil, and the recent the time of the transfer of German troops freed from operations in the Balkans to the eastern and northeastern regions of Germany is connected, presumably, with other motives that have no relation to Soviet-German relations;
      3. The USSR, as it follows from its peace policy, has observed and intends to abide by the terms of the Soviet-German non-aggression pact, which is why the rumors that the USSR is preparing for war with Germany are false and provocative;
      4. The summer gatherings of the Red Army’s spare time and the upcoming maneuvers are now aimed at training the spare and checking the operation of the railway apparatus, which is known to be carried out every year, which is why it’s ridiculous to portray these activities of the Red Army as hostile to Germany .
      Izvestia, June 14, 1941 "
      History teaches nothing!
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 11 November 2017 20: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Old Horseradish
        History teaches nothing!

        You do not teach anything.
        The friction with the PRC, the merit of Khrushchev, are you still like this corn activist. Are you trying in the interests of the USA?
        1. Kirill Popov
          Kirill Popov 11 November 2017 23: 35 New
          +5
          Friction with the PRC is inevitable if we continue to extend the Yeltsin Treaty on the non-deployment of troops 100km from the border. We can’t catch up with China in terms of industrial potential, there is only one way out of avoiding a full-scale war - strengthening the border.
    3. Gabriel
      Gabriel 15 November 2017 02: 36 New
      +1
      I completely agree with you, for all 100! Being in a military hospital in the early 2000s, I took a book from the local library, the name of the book is "Resident", I don’t remember the author. So, it was about some kind of secret intelligence service, above the FSO in terms of authority. In general, periodically distracting from the main intrigues and games of the special services, the author described the war with China, and their approximate maneuvers. That is, the aviation echelon consisting of old MiGs will be thrown first, then more serious ones, etc. As a result, Russian and Chinese are brothers forever, but at the intersection of the Ural Mountains, they do not need European territory, they need Siberia.
  36. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 11 November 2017 19: 04 New
    +5
    The author is well done already for collecting such an array of statistics! I will only say what I think; paraphrasing a good expression, if you do not have paranoia, this does not mean that no one is following you. So: as soon as the Chinese feel the weakness of Russia, be sure 1,5 billion will come to our lands! There are no allies in politics, there are only those with whom the paths coincide at this stage.
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2017 19: 27 New
    +4
    I like the Chinese government to draw huge numbers of people’s growth - well, who will forbid it? And who is against? Let them draw.
    Yes of course! Let them out! However, they still draw maps where some of our Far Eastern regions are painted in the same color as Chinese territory! But what about this? hi bully
  38. kig
    kig 11 November 2017 19: 40 New
    +2
    Where did the 500 million go? We went around the world. And they continue to count.
  39. Sige
    Sige 11 November 2017 19: 55 New
    +2
    Half a billion is also more than fucking ...
  40. kiprei
    kiprei 11 November 2017 21: 04 New
    +2
    The Americans did a long time ago that there was no Primorsky Territory in Russia, even bribed their neighbors, so that they fought with very few Russians at that time. The Uyghur district would also be part of Russia, if it were not for the Moscow officials of those times, who, not knowing the real situation, would give stupid orders.
  41. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 11 November 2017 22: 13 New
    +4
    Well, yes, the Chinese are waiting if they do not populate the northern part of their country, where the climate is much milder. How warm it is, but in Siberia and the Far East. Hot summers, cold winters, swamps, huge snowdrifts, yes, it’s a paradise for life. I’m living in Tomsk, I’ve never seen the Chinese, I often wound up in Khabarovsk the same thing, it’s funny when people from the Russian Federation from Central Russia tell me that the Chinese have already captured Siberia and the Far East by population, I immediately understand that they never been here. And about the population, I agree, to feed 1.3 mlr, uh, I understand if they have most of the territory was suitable for weapons, and how much they grow and import is enough up to 700 million, in the best cases, and in the worst not more than 500. And yes , if they would move to us, first of all assimilate Mongolia, as closest as possible, but there as it was 1 lam, it remained. I have been telling these tales from the beginning of 00, every year the same thing, but the Chinese have not been able for 17 years, or they are dying like flies with us, or just a few units. Many Ukrainians go to Siberia, how often do I hear the Ukrainian dialect, or even their mov, MB, Ukrainians will capture the Far East and Siberia?
  42. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 11 November 2017 22: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Old Horseradish
    Yeah, when the Chinese attack, we will show them such articles. As in 1941, the Wehrmacht said that the workers and peasants were brothers forever. So they drove to Moscow.
    China is preparing for war with us - this is understandable to any fool (except for those already completely frostbitten, descendants of those who shouted in the late 30s that "the German proletariat is the USSR’s best ally"). "The best ally of the USSR" quickly reached Moscow and Leningrad. And those who shouted this nonsense, for the most part, died a terrible death. History does not teach us anything Slavs. Now the Chinas have been recorded, from some Budun, as allies. But they don’t think so. And they are preparing to fight in a harsh winter. (probably with Vietnam)

    Therefore, they are reducing ground forces and building up the IMF? We remind you in which year they received lyuley from the USSR, huh? In those days, even the USSR and the Far East had an army tens of times smaller in number than the Chinese. But they put the Chineses in thousands, and the Chinese then realized that we won’t be taken by war. Please stop telling tales. Or just look what group they have on our border, in cases of war of one artillery, we will burn them.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 12 November 2017 00: 36 New
      0
      Choose what you want to get lyuley?
  43. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 11 November 2017 22: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: dDYHA
    Д

    Lol, they take 0.005 of water, you know how much water from Baikal to go to the Arctic Ocean, huh? Compared to this, they pick up a small drop.
  44. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 11 November 2017 22: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: syndicalist
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    The same story with India ..

    Isn’t it the same with us? If the results of the Soviet censuses can still be considered reliable, the censuses of 2002 and 2010 inspire more doubt than real information. I perfectly remember the censuses of the 70s and 79s, when preparations were underway for six months, when all the tenants were waiting for the census takers at the appointed time. Is this compare with the latest Russian? At my entrance, the scribes, besides my apartment, were allowed only one more. Yes, and there where they let go, half called themselves elves and goblins. More reliable figures could be obtained using data from the registry offices and the migration service. However, you are unlikely to find this data on the net. Is it because these data will show much sadder statistics? Are there at least 100 million of us? I doubt it.

    If there were 100 lyamas, firstly, there were ghost towns in which there lived less than 100k. There are none, there are a lot of abandoned villages, as it is said about a loss of 50 Lyam, this is a huge figure, but only such villages, my city of Tomsk, grew by 12k in 100 years, 4 new districts, the city grows by leaps and bounds . And you will say to me that we are 100 lyamas? Lol sholi
  45. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 11 November 2017 22: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: Skywa1ker
    Given the fact that the Chinese in the unofficial press call Siberia their "northern territories" - the threat is quite real. The Chinese are actively populating the Far East. I always thought - why the Chinese 5 tank armies? Against the USA? It’s funny. India? Tibet is ineffective. The Silk Road 2 initiative broadens the scope for this horde.
    Everyone knows that they, in the guise of our anti-American hysteria, have moved the deployment of medium-range missiles to our borders ?!

    Lol, obviously the person does not understand, this year they reduced their equipment and the number of land groups and are building up the Navy to fight with the Russian Federation? You vkurse that the Russian Federation has the most powerful land group in the world, huh?
    1. Kirill Popov
      Kirill Popov 11 November 2017 23: 49 New
      +3
      It may be the most powerful, but it is scattered in several strategic directions. And we have much more obsolete equipment in the ground forces. The Chinese produce their BMPs with armor calculated against 30mm on our BMP-2s, which are in no hurry to upgrade. Our Pacific Fleet is simply not comparable to the Chinese fleet. They have updated infrastructure along the entire border. As long as we transfer our forces, they can already cut the BAM with their tank armies. And in the event of a full-scale war, their industrial potential is much more powerful than ours. Our only hope is for ballistic missiles, and we hope that they will not improve our S-400s and will not learn how to shoot them down. If our leadership were wiser and bolder, they would refuse the Yeltsin Treaty of 1997 and strengthen the border.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 12 November 2017 05: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: Kirill Popov
        If our leadership were wiser and bolder, they would refuse the Yeltsin Treaty of 1997 and strengthen the border.

        Stop shaking with fear, we do not shake, but live next door to them. Can determine where Hehe and where Blagoveshchensk.
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 12 November 2017 09: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: Amurets
          Stop shaking with fear, we do not shake, but live next door to them. Can determine where Hehe and where Blagoveshchensk.


          Oh! Amurets.
          You can’t explain to them .., those who raise panic.
          They say that some Chinese map show where the Far East is Chinese. laughing So I show the map! Where is Alaska ours. And what ? Ugh!
          -----------------
          1) All Siberia is in a position to produce food in NO ONE more than on 70-80 of millions of people. At extreme stress. There is almost no agricultural land in Siberia !! Well, no. Frozen! Taiga - yes. And to sow and plow - No! There is a little arable land in the Amur. There is a wedge in the very south Western Siberia. And that’s it.
          2) The Chinese, by their centuries-old mentality, did NOT conquer at all. They are not warriors. They even have a proverb - "They do not make nails of good iron, soldiers do not make of good people!"
          No proverb has a similar proverb in the world.
          3) China has vast territory. Of this territory of China, half (that is, 4500 000 sq. Km) is much more favorable for living than the best places in Russia. Better Kuban, better Crimea. Of the remaining half .. another half - the land of which we can only dream of. And they are empty.
          4) Something overpopulated Moscow does not rush to populate the empty Komi. -))
          5) Even the samurai Japanese (that's where the cult of a warrior is) did not want to capture our lands. Not in 1919 year, when there was a favorable moment. Not in the 1941 year, when there was also a favorable moment!
          Why? Yes, because - Myself more expensive! Living in such conditions .. they did not smile.
          6) They say .. they don’t have much water .-)) Here is a map of the availability of water resources by country. Where there is a thick blue - there is a lot of water. Where brown is very little. Where yellow, there is enough water .. well, as in France or in Poland.


          And here is the map of permafrost. Where there is permafrost, it is impossible to grow food in the fields.
          1. Kirill Popov
            Kirill Popov 12 November 2017 14: 26 New
            +2
            6) They say .. they don’t have much water .-)) Here is a map of the availability of water resources by country. Where there is a thick blue - there is a lot of water. Where brown is very little. Where yellow, there is enough water .. well, as in France or in Poland.



            Did you mean this card? It seems to contradict your argument more, as it shows that China is vulnerable to water shortages.

            Such a map is a little misleading, because the water resources of Russia are not evenly scattered throughout the country, but concentrated. For example, 95% of all lake freshwater reserves in Russia are located in Lake Baikal.
            1. Kirill Popov
              Kirill Popov 12 November 2017 20: 17 New
              +1
              By the way, an interesting article about water scarcity and about China’s attempts to supply water from Lake Baikal to itself:

              https://www.chita.ru/articles/53200/

              "In this regard, the efforts of the Chinese side to advance the project of transporting water from Lake Baikal to China are noteworthy. For the first time, this idea was" thrown "by one of the officials of the central government of the PRC at the beginning of the XNUMXs. The negative reaction from Russian officials and the public forced the Chinese government to disavow previously made statements as "the private opinion of the individual."

            2. sogdy
              sogdy 14 November 2017 06: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Kirill Popov
              Here is a map of water availability by country

              I would very much like to see the source - and what is said there about this map.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 07: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Kirill Popov
        And in the event of a full-scale war, their industrial potential is much more powerful than ours.

        in the event of a potential war, their numbers and concentration of human resources play against them, not counting the gamorra with Tibet and the SUAO
        1. Kirill Popov
          Kirill Popov 12 November 2017 15: 15 New
          +1
          Only they have an S-400 that can shoot down ballistic targets. Given their experience with reverse engineering, and the fact that they are one of the leaders in space, with their own station, we can assume that in the near future the characteristics of their missile defense will be better than that of the S-400.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 16: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: Kirill Popov
            Only they have an S-400 that can shoot down ballistic targets.

            do you know the law of large numbers?
            Quote: Kirill Popov
            and the fact that they are one of the leaders in space

            Who said?
            they have not yet learned how to make sewing machines
            Quote: Kirill Popov
            it can be assumed that in the near future the characteristics of their missile defense will be better than that of the S-400.

            sure sure
            had experience setting up Chinese technology
            1. Kirill Popov
              Kirill Popov 12 November 2017 18: 04 New
              +1
              "and the fact that they are one of the leaders in space"
              Who said?

              This year, China is in 3rd place in terms of the number of orbital launches, after America and Russia. They are the only country with their own orbital station and space laboratory. And they will soon have their full equivalent GLONASS and GPS called Beidou.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 19: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Kirill Popov
                They are the only country with their own orbital station and space laboratory.

                The first module of the station is planned to be put into orbit of the Earth in 2019, do not remind today's number
                1. Kirill Popov
                  Kirill Popov 12 November 2017 19: 57 New
                  0
                  My information is outdated)), I did not know that their first station had left orbit .. Well, then in 2019 they will be the same when they launch a new one. This does not change the essence of the argument, about the fact that they have the technology to achieve such results.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 20: 29 New
                    0
                    once again, for starters, they will need to learn how to make at least sewing machines, while all they do is sorry ...
  46. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 11 November 2017 22: 45 New
    18
    Once a journalist asked the Chinese: how many are you?
    He answered
    What else do you do? laughing
  47. bezymatik
    bezymatik 12 November 2017 06: 53 New
    +3
    Perhaps even most likely it is all right! But for the production of grain and meat, not only land and population are needed, but primarily fresh water and energy. But these resources are not unlimited and the closest they can be obtained from us.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 12 November 2017 09: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: bezymatik
      But for the production of grain and meat, not only land and population are needed, but primarily fresh water and energy.

      To do this, China has its own energy and I buy How much from us, I won’t say for sure, but power lines are going to China. In the photo, the transmission of power lines through the Amur River near Blagoveshchensk. Photos from the Internet.
  48. geologist
    geologist 12 November 2017 10: 57 New
    +4
    Recently, a Chinese called me and offered a job. I dreamed about an office in Beijing and started thinking where to spend millions of dollars and of course I gave my preliminary consent. A paper arrived in the mail - the Chinese proposed to lead a team somewhere in Magadan. I remembered how my feet were frozen in adits, passed in permafrost, my heart attack in the foothills of the Stanovoi Range and refused ...
    1. ihappy
      ihappy 13 November 2017 04: 32 New
      0
      That's right. I will sit in Ukraine ass ass facepalm
  49. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 12 November 2017 17: 14 New
    +8
    The Chinese are raising their soldiers in hatred of us. Here is a fact for you: a museum in Damansky - Russians are not allowed there !!! You can continue to come out with your pink snot about friendship with the Chinese.
    It's not a sin to repeat the old comment of Old Horseradish. Well, so: the Chinese people consider the Russian occupiers and are not allowed into the museum on Damansky !!!!!
    On the island of Daman is now a museum of military glory of the Chinese. Young Chinese come and learn how to fight for their native land (former Russian). RUSSIANS, AS OCCUPIERS, THERE DO NOT LAUNCH THIS (this is only in Putin's head the Chinese are our allies)
    Not only did Putin sell the most modern weapons to Russia to the Chinas, he also gave vast lands in Transbaikalia for 49 years (will Putin be knocked out of them in 49 years? Is it clear to any moron that they won’t leave there)
    In the event of a war with China, Medvedev will leave for his villa in the West to drink his wines. Question: what do we Slavs do? Well, something like this.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 17: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      The Chinese are raising their soldiers in hatred of us. Here is a fact for you: a museum in Damansky - Russians are not allowed there !!! You can continue to come out with your pink snot about friendship with the Chinese.

      and who speaks of friendship71
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 12 November 2017 19: 01 New
        +1
        And who is talking about preparing China for war? Any fool understands that Damansky is just the first step. So who is talking about the next steps?
      2. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 12 November 2017 19: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and who is talking about friendship

        Every second in. Eternal friendship with China and dreams of the joint collapse of the "hated hurricane" of the states. Those who fought with us are far less than we are with China.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2017 19: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Black5Raven
          Every second in

          163 comments in a thread at least 40 about friendship with China
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 14 November 2017 06: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Black5Raven
          the joint collapse of the "hated hurricane" of the states. Who fought with us so much less than we with China

          Masik, we have not fought with the Chinese (including up to 300 g and drilled). But with the amers - since 1901, three invasions and evictions of colonists who did not recognize themselves as citizens of the USSR. Apart from mass sabotage at enterprises in the years 28-32.
    2. Kirill Popov
      Kirill Popov 12 November 2017 21: 28 New
      +4
      They are not only raising their military in this way. They teach in schools that the Russian Empire stole their ancient territories, into which, oddly enough, Lake Baikal enters.

      Qing Empire (1644 - 1912):

      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 13 November 2017 00: 07 New
        +4
        It’s possible, although it’s stolen into the account, it’s a lie, of course ... However, even judging by this card, if China decides to expand its borders by force, Russia does not appear in the headquarters of China as target number 1 ....
        1. Kirill Popov
          Kirill Popov 13 November 2017 08: 45 New
          +1
          Have you been to the headquarters of China?
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 13 November 2017 08: 48 New
            +2
            No, I was just taught logic and taught well ... And I understand that China can, without much difficulty, capture the warm and well-fit territories: Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam and the relatively warm territories of Kazakhstan without the risk of falling under Russian nuclear warheads , and the development of these territories in China will take years ...
            1. Kirill Popov
              Kirill Popov 15 November 2017 21: 30 New
              0
              China already has warm and liveable territories. They have a shortage of fresh water.
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 16 November 2017 04: 19 New
                0
                There is plenty of fresh water in neighboring Vietnam and Thailand that do not have serious armed forces capable of competing with the Chinese army, there is nothing more serious than museum tanks T-55 and M-60, Soviet and American production, respectively
                1. Kirill Popov
                  Kirill Popov 21 November 2017 06: 08 New
                  0
                  Vietnam and Thailand are also overpopulated countries like China itself. They already begin to have problems with water, especially with its quality. There is simply no wealth like Baikal anywhere else.

                  The terrain in these countries does not require strong tank formations to provide defense. The population density in Vietnam is more than 90 times higher than that in Buryatia. In Vietnam, anti-Chinese protests are often staged where even the Chinese are killed. And the border in Vietnam is much more tightly protected.

                  Now it’s not the 90s anymore, it’s very stupid just to immediately rely on nuclear weapons. China is best prepared for nuclear war, with bunkers and dozens of new empty cities. Our ordinary forces should be able to defend the border against potential threats without escalating into a nuclear conflict.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 21 November 2017 10: 11 New
                    0
                    China’s air force is not a hindrance, just like the Vietnamese people, it’ll simply be destroyed. China needs habitable territories, not snow and a nuclear war with the Russian Federation ... It’s much easier to cover Vietnam, Thailand and Myanmar with bombs than to attack Siberia and meet the Russian nuclear warheads in Beijing ... Who told you that if China seizes territories, he will keep the local population on them? This is the east, where even ammunition will not be spent on prisoners ...
                    1. Kirill Popov
                      Kirill Popov 21 November 2017 12: 13 New
                      0
                      That's exactly what it is east, so you need to be pragmatic and not rely on “friendship” and not give the slightest chance of aggression. If other neighbors are weak, this does not mean that we can keep the border open.

                      Myanmar is already their satellite practically. Thailand is an ally of the United States. Only Vietnam remains. So until they attacked Vietnam, then we should not be afraid of anything? Not very soothing logic. Vietnam, by the way, has a S-300, so their airspace is well closed.
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 21 November 2017 12: 24 New
                        0
                        S-300 Vietnam will not save, just as the USA will not save Thailand. Substitute themselves under the Chinese nuclear warheads from behind Thailand will not in the USA ... Their own skin is more expensive ... So no one even says that Russia needs to relax. Because China and it doesn’t turn up that the Russian Federation is not Mongolia ... and you can’t bring the Russian Federation to the state of Thailand, but this is a matter for the Kremlin, and he has Abramovich’s yachts in the first place, and not defense capability ... of the Russian Federation
      2. sogdy
        sogdy 14 November 2017 06: 36 New
        0
        "The journal" Ojkumena. Regional studies ". Alexander ...
        Oikumena. Regional studies1040 × 720Search by image
        Wars of the Qing Empire in Inner Asia. Download full version 1040 x 720 "

        Ap chom, ballesky? Why is cheating?
    3. ihappy
      ihappy 13 November 2017 04: 32 New
      0
      And I wouldn’t let it go.
      Dear, you wrote nonsense.
      The Chinese love Russian.
      To do this, you need to go to China and just chat with ordinary people.
      Of course you didn’t communicate. On the sofa it’s convenient to judge. We know.
      So, there Russian is the best guest.
      If the owner of the institution knows Russian, he will certainly speak Russian.
      At the same time, with knowledge of English, they communicate in English less often, hardly communicate.


      Transbaikalia for 49 years (after 49 years, Putin will kick them out of there? Is it clear to any moron that they will not leave there)
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Transbaikalia for 49 years (after 49 years, Putin will kick them out of there? Is it clear to any moron that they will not leave there)

      To rent means to give for temporary use.
      This is a reference for you.
      Kick no need. You have to be with them in a good way and no more.

      Horror, what nonsense you write.
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 13 November 2017 10: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: ihappy
        To rent means to give for temporary use.

        So there is a version that Alaska was also leased ...
        1. ihappy
          ihappy 14 November 2017 00: 35 New
          +1
          There is a version that you need to read less nonsense on the Internet.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 14 November 2017 04: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: ihappy
            There is a version that you need to read less nonsense on the Internet.

            Can you provide Alaska kule sale documents?
            Link to the studio!
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 November 2017 05: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: ihappy
            There is a version that you need to read less nonsense on the Internet.

            Uh ... They released from the bathhouse, finally ... And there is also a version that Alaska became part of the United States in the 1959 year. And the steamboat where gold was allegedly transported was examined in the 1975 year, and they did not find a fig there. And Mr. Stekl never returned to Russia.
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 14 November 2017 13: 43 New
              0
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              And there is also a version that Alaska became part of the United States in 1959.

              This is not a version, it is a historical fact! January 3, 1959 Alaska became the 49th state of the United States.
              From 1912 to 1959 - the Territory of Alaska. Until 1912 - District of Alaska.
              So legally, as a state, Alaska became part of the United States in 1959.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 November 2017 19: 09 New
                +3
                I'm joking slowly. Everything else also takes place.
    4. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 13 November 2017 10: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Well, here: the Chinas consider the Russian occupiers

      Quote: Old Horseradish
      how to fight for their native land (former Russian). RUSSIAN AS OCCUPIORS

      And what are not the occupiers? How much territory was squeezed during the Second Opium?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 November 2017 12: 00 New
        0
        vyv either remove a cross, or put on shorts
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 14 November 2017 13: 48 New
        +1

        Modern Chinese official science treats almost all treaties concluded before 1949 (except for the Nerchinsk Treaty of 1689 and the Kyakhta Treaty of 1727) as unequal treaties - primarily the Aigun Treaty of 1858, the Tianjin Treaty of 1858, the Beijing Treaty of 1860 and the Qiqihar Treaty of 1911. In the understanding of Chinese historiography, an unequal treaty is a treaty imposed through diplomatic blackmail, military force, and in other ways that forced China to sign it. An unequal treaty violates and infringes on the rights and interests of China. In the interpretation of Russian historians, old treaties could include only certain unequal articles (for example, extraterritorial status, concessions, etc.).
        Prior to 1991, on a number of important sites (for example, on the Amur River), full-fledged demarcation work was never carried out. In the Aigun and Beijing Treaties, only a common line of delimitation was recorded. The Chinese representative, Grand Duke Gong, did not sign a map appendix to the Beijing Treaty containing the border line along the Chinese coast marked by Russian diplomats:

        As a result, a complete legal settlement of the problem of state ownership of the islands on the Amur was never carried out. Due to subsequent events, the demarcation and determination of the fairway, which were proposed by the border commissar of the Amur region N.A. Haste in 1915, dragged on until 1991.
    5. your1970
      your1970 14 November 2017 11: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      On the island of Daman is now a museum of military glory of the Chinese. Young Chinese come and learn how to fight for their native land (former Russian). RUSSIANS, AS OCCUPIERS, THERE DO NOT LAUNCH THIS (this is only in Putin's head the Chinese are our allies)
      - 1) Damansky island was ours - while it was on the fairway (the border runs along the fairway) - as soon as it turned out, due to physical reasons, actually to the peninsula from the Chinese side, it became not ours automatically
      2) And why is it ours (the USSR) so briskly rushed to China then to resolve the conflict, so in a hurry that they signed at the airport ??
      3)
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      He also gave vast lands in Transbaikalia for 49 years (will Putin drive them out of there in 49 years? Is it clear to any moron that they will not leave there)
      -
      a) according to the current legislation, foreign citizens can take land in the Russian Federation exclusively for rent, including long-term
      b) in accordance with applicable law, in the case of Violations terms of the lease - the lease is terminated in court. Violations include the non-use of land or its use with the deterioration of its properties. It is carried out in the usual manner by bailiffs ....
      c) the most point - land leases owner. In our country, according to our legislation, the owner of all land (except those owned by someone else) is local municipal authority.If someone is leased to land, then this is to local chapter - NOT to PUTIN !!!
      Z.Y. or do you think about "The cat threw kittens - ...." ??? then yes, then he is responsible for everything, even for your indigestion ......
  50. SEERforSEER
    SEERforSEER 13 November 2017 01: 01 New
    0
    Quote: already a Muscovite
    in 07 he went to Ekater-g

    "in 07 he went to Ekater-g ..."