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Radar "Caste 2-2", capable of detecting "Stealth", entered the radio engineering regiment of ZVO

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In service of the radio engineering regiment of the Western Military District (ZVO), stationed in the Leningrad region, a new radar station (RLS), "Caste 2-2", arrived, the press service of the district reports


Radar "Caste 2-2", capable of detecting "Stealth", entered the radio engineering regiment of ZVO


Radar "Caste 2-2" - a mobile radar station with a circular view of the standby mode. It is designed to control the airspace, determine the range, azimuth, flight altitude level, and the route characteristics of air objects - airplanes, helicopters, remotely piloted aircraft and cruise missiles, including those flying at low and extremely low altitudes. The station detects targets made using Stealth technology, as well as moving objects on the sea surface.
- said in a statement.

The Defense Ministry notes that “Caste 2-2” possesses high reliability, convenience and safety in operation, ease of maintenance, the set of characteristics has no analogues in the world.

In addition to the stations themselves, the ZVO units are equipped with radio-transparent shelters, remote operator workstations and automation facilities.
- added to the press service
Photos used:
Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. svp67
    svp67 4 November 2017 13: 04 New
    +4
    Interestingly, this specially new station was shown against the background of the P-14 antenna, so that the difference would become clear ...?
    1. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 4 November 2017 13: 14 New
      11
      Quote: svp67
      Interestingly, this specially new station was shown against the background of the P-14 antenna, so that the difference would become clear ...?

      Don’t be naive Sergey! Right here the photos will lay out real Russian EW!
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 November 2017 13: 25 New
        10
        Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
        Don’t be naive Sergey! Right here the photos will lay out real Russian EW!

        Well, first of all, it's a radar. Secondly, our country puts them up for sale, which means it shows at all kinds of international exhibitions ...
        Kasta-2E2 (39N6) is the Russian mobile three-coordinate radar station of the decimeter range of the round-the-clock standby mode.
        The composition of the radar station includes:
        Hardware machine number 1;
        Antenna machine number 2;
        Diesel power station (car number 3);
        Cable management trailer.

        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 4 November 2017 13: 35 New
          +7
          It’s a very good station, it’s a pity that single deliveries are delivered to the troops. Such radars must be delivered to the troops at least 20 units annually. Only in this case can we talk about the reliability of the defense of an air defense system against cruise missiles.
          1. 23424636
            23424636 4 November 2017 17: 22 New
            +1
            in Donetsk, Kalchugu M was made, which is probably no worse if it worked in addition to the decimeter but also in the centimeter and meter ranges. and was poorly detectable. , but Moscow is probably not interested, but I would like specialists to compare their characteristics. No wonder Negrostan was excited when Tipo Kuchma sold them to Iran
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 4 November 2017 20: 02 New
              +3
              Quote: 23424636
              in Donetsk, Kalchugu M was made, which is probably no worse if it worked in addition to the decimeter but also in the centimeter and meter ranges. and was poorly detectable. , but Moscow is probably not interested, but I would like specialists to compare their characteristics.

              ... I am sorry that you, our Estonian Friend, have nicely mixed up the RTR Kolchuga station and the Kasta radar station ... there’s nothing to compare ... the radio intelligence and the radar are still a few different things ... laughing
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 4 November 2017 18: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: Vita VKO
            Such radars must be delivered to the troops at least 20 units annually.

            The General Staff will listen to you and take action. Accurately counted? Maybe 18 a year is enough?
        2. Timofey Cherepov
          Timofey Cherepov 4 November 2017 13: 46 New
          +3
          Selling these radars, we make the unprofitable and useless Stealth program, while weld
          1. serriy
            serriy 4 November 2017 16: 43 New
            10
            A little explanation.
            The detection range of the "stealth" by this station is comparable to the flight range of the planning bomb launched by this "stealth". yes Therefore, the ability to detect stealth at ranges less than 100 km is not the main advantage of the station.
            It is important that the station is capable of detecting and tracking low-flying objects (at altitudes from 0 to 6 km). Somehow cruise missiles, helicopters, ... good
            Those. the station is necessary for us, our country, in large quantities. good
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 4 November 2017 18: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: Timothy Cherepov
            Selling these radars, we make the unprofitable and useless Stealth program, while weld

            Does anyone else believe in invisible planes? Apparently, the stealth program, promoted by the Pindocs, has long ordered a long life, like their Star Wars program. No more than pumping money out of the budget. It’s totally impossible for a modern radar how they call their airplanes if they can already spot a tennis ball in flight ..
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 4 November 2017 20: 06 New
              +4
              Quote: Piramidon
              Does anyone else believe in invisible planes?

              ... normal people do not believe, they just know that they need to choose the right means of detection ... there are no invisible aircraft ... hi
              1. Ace Tambourine
                Ace Tambourine 4 November 2017 21: 49 New
                0
                Your untruth, they exist .... PACK-YES for example ...
        3. 210ox
          210ox 4 November 2017 15: 29 New
          +5
          Again, this is "unparalleled in the world" .. Well, if so. And if there is still having better characteristics?
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
          Don’t be naive Sergey! Right here the photos will lay out real Russian EW!

          Well, first of all, it's a radar. Secondly, our country puts them up for sale, which means it shows at all kinds of international exhibitions ...
          Kasta-2E2 (39N6) is the Russian mobile three-coordinate radar station of the decimeter range of the round-the-clock standby mode.
          The composition of the radar station includes:
          Hardware machine number 1;
          Antenna machine number 2;
          Diesel power station (car number 3);
          Cable management trailer.

        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 November 2017 16: 03 New
          +1
          And what is the minimum height of the detected targets?
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 4 November 2017 18: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            And what is the minimum height of the detected targets?

            They say that at a distance of 40 km they can see the target at an altitude of 100 m. In other words, for objects at a speed of 1000 km / h, flying time in the 2,5 region is min. Pretty decent. You can both pass to someone and bring someone. (and again, in which case, time will remain to run off meters on 100-150 laughing Just kidding! No offense! drinks )
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 4 November 2017 20: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Quote: Vadim237
              And what is the minimum height of the detected targets?

              They say that at a distance of 40 km they can see the target at an altitude of 100 m. In other words, for objects at a speed of 1000 km / h, flying time in the 2,5 region is min. Pretty decent. You can both pass to someone and bring someone. (and again, in which case, time will remain to run off meters on 100-150 laughing Just kidding! No offense! drinks )

              ... you have data about the beginning of the 70s ... laughing ... P-18 ... clearly with a 0,3 m2 EOC at a height of 100 m and an antenna post height of 10,35 m ... from the P-18 manual clearly ... hi
          2. shans2
            shans2 4 November 2017 18: 44 New
            0
            Well, you yourself think if it detects surface objects, and if other radars see ground targets at airfields ....
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 13: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
        Right here the photos will lay out real Russian EW!

        Well, with the photo on VO there are always some kind of plug-ins ...
      3. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 4 November 2017 14: 56 New
        +2
        Joint-stock company
        Concern VKO "Almaz - Antey"
        The performance characteristics .... Radar Casta-2E2 "(39N6E)
        http://www.almaz-antey.ru/catalogue/millitary_cat
        alogue / 53/281/646
        pysy..RLS “Kasta-2-2” (export designation “Kasta-2E2”)
  2. Barshchik-M
    Barshchik-M 4 November 2017 13: 06 New
    14
    Well, I think they will not reach us ... soldier

    Catch them on the way to our borders ..
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 4 November 2017 13: 26 New
      11
      Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
      Catch them on the way to our borders ..

      Yeah, at first they will hammer a shoe (slipper), and then they will trample the cooling corpse
  3. cedar
    cedar 4 November 2017 13: 12 New
    0
    One must hope for the best, and prepare for the worst ...
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 4 November 2017 13: 18 New
    +4
    ABOUT! Good afternoon! Something, finally, can detect stealth. And shoot them
    to accompany the target, to direct missiles this radar can? smile
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 4 November 2017 13: 21 New
      +4
      S-400 is able to.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 November 2017 13: 42 New
        +2
        If he could, then these new inventions would not be needed.
        Why are they feverishly being developed? Because the radars of anti-aircraft air defense systems
        unable to shoot stealth.
        1. poquello
          poquello 4 November 2017 13: 53 New
          11
          Quote: voyaka uh
          If he could, then these new inventions would not be needed.
          Why are they feverishly being developed? Because the radars of anti-aircraft air defense systems
          unable to shoot stealth.

          don't forget to write the most important thing on board - the rocket will fly read, believe and fly away
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 4 November 2017 20: 25 New
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Why are they feverishly being developed? Because the radars of anti-aircraft air defense systems
            unable to shoot stealth.

            ... they know how, they know how and even ... Alexey, my Revered ... hi ... but in this case there is no question of any fever ... still, the material needs to be read ... the talk about the radar - STANDBY MODE ... but not about the radar - GUIDANCE AND GOALS ... we don’t confuse the subject and the finger ... and even the military will be different ... RTV in one case and air defense in another case ... hi
            Quote: poquello
            don't forget to write the most important thing on board - the rocket will fly read, believe and fly away

            ... Hey Ya ... hi ... I almost choked with beer ... laughing drinks
            1. poquello
              poquello 4 November 2017 22: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Inok10
              Zdarova ... hi ... I almost drowned in beer ... laughing drinks

              and it’s even healthier for you, comrades with the gear worry about the money spent, to hell with it with stealth, on board the F35 software is modern - it means they connect the network center and can use them globally in the database, which generally justifies the investments
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 5 November 2017 01: 02 New
                +6
                Quote: poquello
                comrades with gear worry for the money spent

                ... they always worry about money, especially for their own ... wink
                Quote: poquello
                horseradish with him with stealth

                ... there are no invisibles, there are sometimes incorrectly selected means of detection ... the USSR / Russia does not have such problems ... the theory of "stealth" was created in the USSR ... hi
                Quote: poquello
                On board the F35 software is modern - it means they connect the network center and can use them globally in the database

                ... the wording mistake ... not globally, but tactically ... it's still a big difference ... tactically this is the level of front-line aviation ... globality still has an understanding of Strategic ... nor any strategic benefits from acquiring F- 35A, Israel did not acquire ... only tactical and highly dubious ...
                ... when the so-called tactical communication channel "link-16" is established, the Sinitsa RTR / EW will be detected and suppressed, respect the work of the authors ... Roman Skomorokhov wrote an excellent article and very balanced ... P-934U or Sinitsa proof: https://topwar.ru/128807-stanciya-reb-r-934u-sini
                ca-kogda-sinica-v-pole-zhuravlyam-v-nebe-tyazhko.
                html # comment-id-7521332 ... there are a lot of interesting things, I added something in the comments to the article ... it’s not pleasant that the majority simply ignored ... well, in vain ... with regards to "network-centricity" ... we give odds to our "river partners" years in 50 . tongue ... network-centricity We have been engaged and persistently developed since the 1960s under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics ... especially in the field of air defense, RTR, RER, REP / EW, IA ... the development chart of the KSA / ACS of the USSR Armed Forces ... clearly ...
                ... to the 90s of the last century, We had a functional and multi-level air defense control system, including all means of detection and destruction of all ranks combined into a single NETCENTRIC SYSTEM ... stationary and mobile execution ... We do not need to be taught this, We ourselves will teach whom we want! ... soldier
                1. poquello
                  poquello 5 November 2017 01: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Inok10
                  tactically this is the level of front-line aviation ... globality still has an understanding of Strategic

                  nesting classes do not take into account, the union of all units at the front will be global despite the fact that all operations will be tactical
                  Quote: Inok10
                  with regards to "network-centricity" ... we will give odds to our "river partners" in 50 years

                  Well, it’s not up to us to compete with them, the neighbors of Israel do not have this closely and it is unlikely that in the near future it will appear, there they will get an advantage
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 5 November 2017 19: 36 New
                    +4
                    Quote: poquello
                    nesting classes do not take into account, the union of all units at the front will be global despite the fact that all operations will be tactical

                    ... fiction ... a link from 4x F-35 has no strategic significance ... tactical unit of front-line aviation ... besides, one of the Syrian woodpeckers already "pecked" ... laughing

                    Quote: poquello
                    Well, it’s not him to compete with us

                    ... well, I’m also trying in the comments ... over there, they have already suppressed the S-400 ... wassat ... Jews, what to take from them ... Israel on a mustache! ... wink
                    Quote: poquello
                    Israel’s neighbors don’t have it and it’s unlikely that in the near future it will appear, there they will get an advantage

                    ... Syria and Egypt ... will already provide them with a "headache" ... yes the Lebanese Hazbolahs also ... I don’t even mention Iran ... Egypt has already bought S-300VM ... well, in Syria our two Bases, conclusions can already be made ... hi
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 5 November 2017 20: 02 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Inok10
                      .. well, I’m also trying in the comments ... over there they have already suppressed the S-400 ... wassat

                      I laughed and resented for a long time, spent a whole minute to watch this craft
                      Quote: Inok10
                      ... Jews, what to take from them ... Israel on a mustache! ... wink

                      here is 100500%))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN 4 November 2017 14: 21 New
          +9
          Quote: voyaka uh
          If he could, then these new inventions would not be needed.

          Why not needed? Do you think that if there are air defense systems, then there is no need for surveillance radars? Somehow it is not logical.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Why are they feverishly being developed? .

          Not feverishly, everything was planned, created, Always developed, but against STELS specifically, work is going on from Iraq when f117 was drawn. We plan to develop, while we created stations with these capabilities for air defense systems (the same C400), now we put the survey ones into service ..., Yes, and your stealth is not particularly scary, here the focus is on low-altitude STELS destruction systems (KR and other drones) together with protection against interference established by electronic warfare systems. Well, as for the F-35, 22, something like this if you do not rely on advertising tricks that they have an EPR with the area of ​​a tennis ball (which is more realistic), since the systems that see objects with such a ball in space have long been in service , this time with the development of technology and the study of the applied feint with "invisibility" more and more clearly and put into service systems with the characteristics necessary for work. Well, here, for a slight decrease in ambition:
          On November 8, 2009, their independent military-analytical agency APA (Air Power Australia) conducted a full comparison of 5th generation aircraft with the latest Russian models and the result of these studies was presented in the form of a letter to the head of the Pentagon, Robert Gates. In the comparison table, out of a multitude of criteria for matching the 5th generation, the F-22 scored 2 points, just like our Su-35, while the F-35 scored negative points at -8 points, not satisfying most of the criteria.
          And also:
          Radar in the L-band attracted the attention of Western experts and immediately provoked a violent reaction:
          “The JSF program is an example of the complete abstraction of the heady JSF community from the operational reality of the world. This technology [L-band detection] should have been foreseen ten years ago, given the development in the US of AESA L-band radars for systems like Wedgetail AEW & C / AWACS. .. Systems whose survivability depends almost entirely on reduced visibility for X-band radars, such as the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, F / A-18E / F Super Hornet and F-15SE Silent Eagle, are now visible. for fighters carrying L-band radars, and thus become highly vulnerable to air combat over long distances over the horizon. "
          Why do you consider not the possibility of escort and guidance? Do you reliably know all the performance characteristics and methods and means used? I believe that in the Combat mode (it is specific for the war, and not for export) the data of the air defense system did not shine yet ... request
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 November 2017 14: 27 New
            +2
            "November 8, 2009, their independent military analytical agency APA (Air Power Australia)" ////

            Yes, there is such an Australian. But he fell silent recently, since the apparent success of the F-35 among pilots denied his calculations. Fighter pilots from different countries F-35 praise.

            "have an EPR with an area of ​​a tennis ball (which is more realistic), so systems that see objects with such a ball in space" ///

            But the problem is that the radars of air defense systems are sharpened to a minimum EPR of 2 m2.
            And with a huge strain - up to 0.5 m2. And this is many, many times more than the EPR F-35 or F-22. Therefore: stealth sees some surveillance radars, but cannot direct missiles at them, while stealth simply does not see radars of air defense systems (they are beyond interference)
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 4 November 2017 14: 37 New
              11
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Fighter pilots from different countries F-35 praise.

              And what remains for them? And do the pilots praise? And how is it estimated to be praised? In the complex of silt according to individual characteristics?
              I don’t have anything against the F-35 because I have been with aviation all my life and I understand that the new is new and it should not be worse than the old. I do not take seriously the price component or the Kdetsky diseases of this device, all this is familiar and somehow does not require explanation. Moreover, I perfectly understand that more than one year will pass before the tactics of its BP are developed and worked out. It's not about the F-35. The question was
              Because the radars of anti-aircraft air defense systems
              unable to shoot stealth.
              I expressed my thoughts on this subject.
              PS: On the topic
              Fighter pilots from different countries F-35 praise.
              , A bad pilot who does not praise his plane. smile All my life, I flew on MiG 21, so I worship him even now ... wink Since then ... hi
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 4 November 2017 14: 50 New
                +2
                The F-35 replaces the F-16. No more. He is neither an interceptor nor a fighter for capturing air supremacy. And the pilots compared it precisely with the F-16, saying that it has more capabilities, both in close and medium combat, it is easier to control, it gives steeper turns, sharper braking. He has a kind of built-in autopilot, even in dangerous combat modes. What does not fall into a tailspin, make a disastrous feint. The pilot focuses on targets, weapons, and not piloting.
                1. NIKNN
                  NIKNN 4 November 2017 15: 05 New
                  +4
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  He has a kind of built-in autopilot, even in dangerous combat modes. What does not fall into a tailspin, make a disastrous feint.

                  Well, this is far from a new development ... We have the entire Sunachinaya series with 27 and the MiG with 29 applied ..., I didn’t go into it, but I’m sure that F-16, 18 too ...
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 4 November 2017 15: 45 New
                    +1
                    For the first time on F-16, the computer began to intervene in controlling the machine. Therefore, the F-16 did not like the 3rd generation pilots. But in the F-35 "autopilot" is developed much more. You can not keep the helm on a turn, but focus on the screen, looking for targets or threats. In option “B”, the pilot does not touch the helm nor the buttons during vertical landing / take-off.
                    1. NN52
                      NN52 4 November 2017 20: 53 New
                      +8
                      I want to clarify with you .. How did the first "comp" at 16 start interfering in management?

                      To beat off RUS?
                      1. NN52
                        NN52 4 November 2017 21: 20 New
                        +7
                        And about the helm specify pzhl.
                        If you are of course a specialist ...
                2. poquello
                  poquello 4 November 2017 15: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  The F-35 replaces the F-16. No more.

                  it’s better, it’s eating only more, well this is a necessity of the present
            2. sivuch
              sivuch 5 November 2017 09: 37 New
              +1
              But the problem is that the radars of air defense systems are sharpened to a minimum EPR of 2 m2.
              -------------------------------------------------
              -----------
              Where is this from?
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 4 November 2017 15: 07 New
          0
          If he could, then these new inventions would not be needed.
          Why are they feverishly being developed?

          Chat a little more. This is a surveillance standby radar.
        4. shans2
          shans2 4 November 2017 18: 45 New
          +1
          for all of you, the S-200 is enough with new radars, and all this for the future)
        5. sivuch
          sivuch 5 November 2017 08: 53 New
          +1
          Warrior, you have already been answered a hundred times - for SPN and CHP this is not a problem. . To object You do not mind, but after a couple of months you repeat the same mantra.
          By the way, Casta, she is not against stealth at all.
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 4 November 2017 13: 24 New
      10
      No, we can’t. you don’t have to worry and care about it. f-35 best airplane
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 November 2017 14: 16 New
        +2
        "no, we can’t. You should not worry and take care of it" ////

        I worry about my air defense, not yours. She, like the Russian one, also does not know how to shoot down stealth missiles.
    3. tihon4uk
      tihon4uk 4 November 2017 13: 26 New
      +4
      How could our radars not see the stealth before ?! don't flatter yourself and read American brochures less.
    4. Vard
      Vard 4 November 2017 13: 26 New
      +1
      At least fighter jets aren’t a problem ... and Stealth is in profile ... it's not exactly what Stealth is in profile ... or behind ... Given that the technology works at subsonic speeds ... you can use an ordinary thermal-guided missile plant in the nozzle ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 November 2017 13: 44 New
        +3
        "At least fighters to direct is not a problem" ////

        But for this, I agree, these radars are suitable.

        "Given that the technology operates at subsonic speeds ..." ///

        Why is this? F-22 flies in cruising supersonic (without afterburner) 1,6 MAX 1600 km,
        F-35 flies on a cruising supersonic 1,2 MAX 350 km,
        1. VadimSt
          VadimSt 4 November 2017 13: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          F-35 flies on the cruising supersonic 1,2 MAX 350 km

          Wow! Does he also fly? And I thought, it’s in the hangars - they themselves write, they don’t fly, they rust, then the pilots suffocate!
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 November 2017 13: 57 New
            +4
            120,000 flight hours for 300 aircraft.
        2. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 14: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          F-22 flies in cruising supersonic (without afterburner) 1,6 MAX 1600 km,
          F-35 flies on a cruising supersonic 1,2 MAX 350 km,

          Will it fly? And fly, you will be happy? And the answer will fly? More joyful? What is the conversation about? Is it a shame that on the lack of analogs in the world fe-35 is prepared not having analogs in the world "Casta 2-2"? Do you want to participate in the confrontation? Personally?
          "A warrior is a tried and true brave warrior (obsolete.) Or one who fights arrogantly and unluckily (colloquial iron.)." Is it not otherwise in the first (outdated) category that you position yourself? lol
        3. Kurosaki Ichigo
          Kurosaki Ichigo 4 November 2017 15: 41 New
          +1
          1.6M ~ 1900 km / h. good
    5. Vita vko
      Vita vko 4 November 2017 14: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And shoot them
      accompany the target, direct missiles, this radar can

      As soon as the Stealth is discovered, you can shoot at it practically from a slingshot, as for example they made the code in Yugoslavia destroyed the F-117. But most importantly, the cost of this radar is less than any anti-radar missile, and destroying it is far from easy.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 November 2017 14: 39 New
        +3
        "Once Stealth is discovered, you can shoot at it practically from a slingshot" ///

        Wrong. SAM required to lead the radar of the complex all the way to the goal. To do this, you need to constantly see. But this is not. And only at the very end the radar of the rocket itself will capture the target (although there is also a difficulty with stealth).

        In Yugoslavia, the target was an optical device of French manufacture, with which the Yugoslavs upgraded the Soviet complexes. Not a radar. Hit the F-117 was a rare success of anti-aircraft gunners.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 4 November 2017 14: 53 New
          +7
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Missiles required to lead the radar complex all the way to the goal

          This is done only in the Israeli Iron Dome system. For countries with large territories, this option will not be possible. Therefore, other guidance principles will be applied, and SAM will start only when entering the zone of guaranteed destruction. The pilot will, of course, record the fact of launching and the most reasonable thing is to immediately eject. Then there is some chance of not turning into a sieve in a place with an airplane.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 4 November 2017 15: 10 New
            +1
            And the zone of guaranteed defeat is that? And who guarantees.
            1. Vita vko
              Vita vko 4 November 2017 15: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Shahno
              who guarantees

              LTH aircraft and mathematics. This is the term corresponding to the probability of destruction of 0,8 - 0,9.
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 4 November 2017 15: 40 New
                +3
                Mathematics says that you can’t interrupt the mob. targets for more than 0.3 sec. Or are you going to put the rofar on the missile's seeker?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 4 November 2017 16: 13 New
                  +1
                  Yes, soon the AFARS will be installed on AFR missiles and highlighted by stealth technology aircraft - AWACS aircraft.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 November 2017 15: 48 New
            +2
            , "and missiles start only when entering the zone of guaranteed destruction" ////

            And who, interestingly, leads this missile launcher to a target flying 100 km from the complex? God's spirit?
            Or is it the ground radar of the complex? smile
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 November 2017 16: 17 New
              +4
              The ground-based radar of the air defense system also leads, as well as leads, crosswise, other detection radars, the stealth cannot be hidden on the flat terrain from air defense missiles, the target on the radars will not be clear - but by no means invisible.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 4 November 2017 20: 22 New
                +1
                "a stealth on a flat terrain can’t hide from SAM missiles," ///

                Stealth can't hide from radar. But those who see cannot aim their missiles at the target. But those who can launch a missile at a target do not see it. Nobody will shoot at random, approximately, without escort to the target. Missiles are very expensive.
                Therefore - so far - the concept of "stealth" is successfully embodied in iron. And in Russia including (Su-57)
            2. Vita vko
              Vita vko 4 November 2017 16: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Or is it the ground radar of the complex?

              In different ways, depending on the guidance mode. Read more in the theory of guidance missiles, partial approach method, as well as the theory of radar. Good luck.
              1. ZVO
                ZVO 4 November 2017 17: 59 New
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                Quote: Vita VKO
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Or is it the ground radar of the complex?

                In different ways, depending on the guidance mode. Read more in the theory of guidance missiles, partial approach method, as well as the theory of radar. Good luck.


                Those. you do not know. how is the correction of the flight of a rocket launched on a target at a distance of 80 km?
                1. Vita vko
                  Vita vko 4 November 2017 18: 55 New
                  +4
                  Quote: ZVO
                  Those. you do not know. how is the correction of the flight of a rocket launched on a target at a distance of 80 km?

                  those. I know, studied and work in this area. But I’m definitely not going to tell non-specialist and even on the Internet algorithms for controlling SAMs. Once again I say that theoretically opposing the S-400 and Carapace systems can be a physicist on the side of electronic warfare systems. In practice, it is very difficult to do this, and if the launch has passed, which the pilot’s respective devices immediately warn of, then it will be too late to make missile defense maneuvers. This is not old missiles for you where an asynchronous interference easily provides a disruption of capture. If the pilot wants to survive, he must immediately eject. A margin of time of 10 to 20 seconds from the moment of ejection to undermining warheads will give a probability of surviving about 50%, depending on the type of missile and the guidance method.
        2. Barshchik-M
          Barshchik-M 4 November 2017 15: 42 New
          +7
          Quote: voyaka uh
          In Yugoslavia, the target was an optical device of French manufacture, with which the Yugoslavs upgraded the Soviet complexes. Not a radar. Hit the F-117 was a rare success of anti-aircraft gunners.

          It is very difficult to argue with the "Israeli comrades" .. hehe Better to agree in silence ..!
          They know all of us better ... Look at the media in the world and ours are only Jews ..! so you have to listen to men!
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 4 November 2017 18: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
            Quote: voyaka uh
            In Yugoslavia, the target was an optical device of French manufacture, with which the Yugoslavs upgraded the Soviet complexes. Not a radar. Hit the F-117 was a rare success of anti-aircraft gunners.

            It is very difficult to argue with the "Israeli comrades" .. hehe Better to agree in silence ..!
            They know all of us better ... Look at the media in the world and ours are only Jews ..! so you have to listen to men!


            You’re never worth listening to ...
            There is always one trick and nothing concrete.
            In all articles about plants. steamboats. airplanes and rockets. tanks and sapper blades - everywhere you are marked by a dulling ...
            But you are never in the technically competent articles where the technical discussion begins ...
            In a word, you carry an empty empty chatter, balabol ...
            1. shans2
              shans2 4 November 2017 18: 50 New
              +1
              come on about the bulkler, we’ve already heard about the fooling, let's talk about dozens of navaliers from you, you have already dirtied everything in your Jewish sect, everyone on other sites is laughing like a household word ....
            2. Barshchik-M
              Barshchik-M 5 November 2017 09: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: ZVO
              But you are never in technically competent articles where a technical discussion begins ..

              All right noticed ...!

              And so I want to boast of peasants .. Here and shout Hurray only "!!! wassat
          2. Deniska999
            Deniska999 4 November 2017 19: 26 New
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            And because you are not understanding the issue on the technical side, you are climbing.
        3. sivuch
          sivuch 5 November 2017 09: 49 New
          +1
          Again about the same thing. For CHP (if the radio command complex) or SPN (if semi-active) the stealth is not a problem. The problem is in finding the target and also for the active head of the rocket with its weak energy. There may also be problems for the radio fuse.
          And in Serbia, the 117th was discovered by Terek, i.e. meter P-18. Actually, I’m not writing this to you anymore, so I don’t have read it to anyone who may be. There wasn’t any French thermal imager there.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 November 2017 11: 23 New
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            "Zoltan Dani: I practically did it in one day - this is not a problem!
            We agreed that this would be our little secret. For the first time I invent my invention
            turned on about twenty hours on March 27, 1999. At first we tried to detect targets in mid-air without my technical system upgrade. When this failed, I told the tracking operator: turn on, say, this "our option". "////

            What kind of "invention" ("little secret", "technical modernization of the system") can be done on the old radar?
            Nothing. And all experts say this. But turn on the optical device
            ("turn on, they say, this" our option "") and launch missiles when the plane
            became visible in the lumen of the clouds - very real. After all, they knew the route and time. It was not the first flight of the F-117 along the "template" route, for which the pilot paid.
            1. sivuch
              sivuch 5 November 2017 13: 10 New
              +1
              Well, maybe enough?
              Still, it is worth reading other sources besides Z. Dani.
              The third day of the war - what could be the pattern? They could know the departure time (indeed, tracked) and the approximate point of separation of routes (this is above the sea, then everyone flew on their own).
              nine in the evening, i.e. night, so certainly not optics.
              And what is the field of view of this miracle device? What is the detection range? At least the brand indicated, because such an advertisement would be! So no, some common words. But for Terek, the detection range of 24 km is quite normal.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 5 November 2017 13: 22 New
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                He pointed. In his first interviews, he told reporters in plain text
                thermal imager. And then, when he realized that he had become a national hero,
                began to "inflate secrecy" about his supposedly "invention". And since he is not a Serb, but a Hungarian, his colleagues started a campaign against him: "this is the collective work of the entire air defense ... a complex system." To carry all nonsense: "we shot down three F-117 and B-2."
                The radar of his complex could detect the F-117 for one second, when he opened the bomb bay, and then lost again. So he began to work creatively - to use a thermal imager.
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 5 November 2017 14: 50 New
                  +1
                  So, what is the brand of this miracle thermal imager? And who told you that only for one second? The question is not even whether Terek with its wavelength of 1.7 meters, its energy and aperture can detect an inconspicuous aircraft, but whether this value is 20-25 km is the maximum possible. Other cases of detection - also opened the sash? And colleagues started the company not because he was Hungarian, but because he lied like a gray gelding. (Or like a team leader Gerard, if you want) And, by the way, he had to admit that he was lying.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 5 November 2017 15: 19 New
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                    His "true" colleagues could not bring down anything. smile
                    And he guessed that the radar was bullshit against stealth, and with a thermal imager
                    There is a chance. And he won. Instead of praising, envious
                    started drowning it in the mud. Together with his method.
                    (the brand of the French thermal imager was listed on the VO forum in
                    a discussion time similar to ours with you). hi
                    1. sivuch
                      sivuch 5 November 2017 16: 28 New
                      +1
                      Nobody brought anything. Because thermal imagers that detect CC in cloudy conditions at ranges of tens of kilometers in the entire upper hemisphere and with adequate scanning time did not exist in nature. And now, in my opinion, too. And a meter radar for a stealth is not bullshit at all, but vice versa. Of course, for junk like P-18, such detections (there were several in 2 months) are at the limit of possibilities, we can say that we were lucky
    6. san4es
      san4es 4 November 2017 18: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      ... can detect stealth

      ... using a network of base stations of cellular communication .. For example, the F-117, shot down by Banshchik (above) wink. ... Then in Serbia mobile communications worked ative ..

      The operation of the system is based on the principle of spaced angle-total-rangefinding locations. In simple terms, an object that fell into the broadcast area of ​​several stations reflects part of their signal. The reflected signal is captured and recorded by several stations, after which the position of the object is calculated by the triangulation method.
      And the missile defense can be launched in the direction of the target ... On the way, it will detect and get it.
    7. vlanis
      vlanis 5 November 2017 01: 02 New
      +3
      I explain to the unlit
      Quote: voyaka uh
      ABOUT! Good afternoon! Something, finally, can detect stealth. And shoot them
      to accompany the target, to direct missiles this radar can? smile

      For those who are not in the know, the Detection Directions (RRC), to which this station belongs, work in a circular mode. That is, the antenna rotates continuously. its task is to control the entire air situation 360 degrees. and transmit target designation to stations (SNR), and now missile guidance stations, direct their antennas towards the target, directly accompany it, and give target designation to weapons. In air defense complexes, usually both types of stations are present.
  5. Vard
    Vard 4 November 2017 13: 21 New
    +1
    I am not an expert, but from the point of view of common sense I was very pleased with the “remote operator workstations” ... I understand that if they shy away from anything, then people will not suffer ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 November 2017 14: 01 New
      +2
      The Syrians have long realized that sitting next to an air defense radar is deadly for life.
      They suddenly explode, having not seen anything. And the operators are always located far from the radar. And they survive, which is good: they have families, children.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 4 November 2017 15: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Syrians have long realized that sitting next to an air defense radar is deadly for life.

        It’s been worked out from Vietnam and it was the war there that spawned the first missiles aimed at the radar signal.
        1. Ace Tambourine
          Ace Tambourine 4 November 2017 22: 10 New
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          My army chief, who visited Vietnam and Egypt, told such a cartoon ...
          In order not to get the rocket into the locator, the Vietnamese thought up to raise the operator’s chair to a height, having mounted it on a rotating bed, adjusted a 150 mm pipe along the axis of the guidance radar .. Then the farthest aksakal got into the chair and, holding the plane in the pipe, twisted the selsyn’s handles until it grabbed 75 a clear purpose .... For what I bought, for that I sell ...
          And the chief spoke with admiration about the Israeli pilots ...
          1. vlanis
            vlanis 5 November 2017 01: 19 New
            +2
            If you are talking about the CHP 75 - complex, then it is very doubtful. range 50-75 km (depending on version) It’s realistic to see a plane in a “pipe” in 10 kilometers. And from this distance it’s too late to launch missiles of this complex. I served at this complex.
            1. sivuch
              sivuch 5 November 2017 10: 00 New
              +1
              I don’t remember exactly, but in Vietnam the so-called SA-75 was installed. doghouse with refueling complex. This, of course, is not 70 km.
  6. HAM
    HAM 4 November 2017 13: 41 New
    +3
    ".... has no analogues in the world ...."

    That's all spoiled the mood, in one phrase.
  7. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 4 November 2017 14: 46 New
    +3
    39H6 - development of the beginning of 80-х. Adopted almost 30 years ago. Re-read TTX. Judging by the fact that it is carried by three cars with trailers, and when 23 kW is consumed, there is a special truck with a diesel engine, and the base station at the level of 80's remained - nothing new in essence.
    I can only assume that over the past three decades, EW systems and other gadgets, including the stealth technology of a probable adversary, have qualitatively progressed over several generations. Anyone can make a conclusion himself.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 November 2017 16: 20 New
      +2
      You are right, this radar is already obsolete both physically and morally.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 4 November 2017 16: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        You are right, this radar is already obsolete both physically and morally.

        I think that the Russian Federation already has new systems on the way.

        For those interested in the issue, the new complex of combat with the Russian air defense systems C-400 and Pantsyr from the Israeli company Raphael. The system allows not only to dazzle the Russian air defense, but also to divert their launched missiles, and, if necessary, to destroy the complexes themselves. Such a system has already been successfully tested and used in the skies of Lebanon and Syria.
        1. Stiletto_711
          Stiletto_711 4 November 2017 18: 30 New
          +2
          Nothing will help them one of the best Russian air defense systems
          There are no airfields, all air defense issues have been resolved.
          1. Lex.
            Lex. 4 November 2017 21: 45 New
            +1
            There are no vast expanses in Syria, everything can be traced and destroyed on the earth. And Iskander is not
            1. Stiletto_711
              Stiletto_711 6 November 2017 03: 40 New
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              Quote: Lex.
              There are no vast expanses in Syria, everything can be traced and destroyed on the earth. And Iskander is not

              Air defense is something that does not allow the enemy air force to fly, in this context Iskander as a means of incapacitating airfields is the most air defense fellow
              Since we are talking about a Middle East theater of war, then Israel is not a big country, to defeat the required goals, there are not so many complexes, they do not need to travel far, respectively, protection and masking issues are easier to solve hi
        2. poquello
          poquello 4 November 2017 23: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          A similar system has already been successfully tested and applied in the skies of Lebanon and Syria.

          chatter, and the movie is bullshit
    2. sivuch
      sivuch 5 November 2017 09: 43 New
      +1
      Naturally. This is a replacement for the P-19 and it is imprisoned at the SC, primarily the KR. And the same 35th it can easily fly around from above (above 6km)
  8. Charik
    Charik 4 November 2017 15: 23 New
    0
    Missiles, for this, are chaeb in planes with tanks and hit boats.
  9. Kurosaki Ichigo
    Kurosaki Ichigo 4 November 2017 15: 32 New
    +3
    Loud headline.)
    So then any radar is able to "detect" "Stealth", the question is in the distance only. laughing
  10. Spike Javelin Touvich
    Spike Javelin Touvich 4 November 2017 15: 44 New
    +1
    So let's see what I see as an antenna rotary trailer 5Н84А. ”Defense” Three-coordinate decimeter radar
    19IX6 BEAM. If i am wrong
  11. Going
    Going 4 November 2017 16: 19 New
    +9
    “Casta 2-2” radar is a standby mode mobile radar station with a circular view.


    Additional control of everything and everything.
  12. PKTRL
    PKTRL 4 November 2017 17: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    And what is the minimum height of the detected targets?

    Very small .. wink This information is enough for you ..
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 5 November 2017 10: 02 New
      +1
      Come on. This is the ONC radar. That is, there are practically no restrictions on the minimum altitude. But at the maximum, it’s very
      1. PKTRL
        PKTRL 28 November 2017 23: 26 New
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         sivuch November 5, 2017 10:02 ↑


        C'mon. This is the ONC radar. That is, the minimum altitude restrictions practically no. But at the maximum, very even

        Learn the Russian language, seal .. The difference between almost and almost huge! wink
        Yes, and, you are our huge specialist .. laughing
        You don’t) (I don’t understand what THREE WHOLE and FOURTEEN HUNDREDS are about IS. fool
  13. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 4 November 2017 17: 41 New
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    But they tried to raise the radar on the airship .. That this topic did not go? After all, I saw everything ..
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 4 November 2017 18: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      But they tried to raise the radar on the airship .. That this topic did not go? After all, I saw everything ..

      stabilization problems
  14. ZaRif
    ZaRif 4 November 2017 19: 22 New
    0
    Drasti! A site in a long time in the SGA? - I did not pay attention?
  15. PKTRL
    PKTRL 4 November 2017 20: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    If he could, then these new inventions would not be needed.
    Why are they feverishly being developed? Because the radars of anti-aircraft air defense systems
    unable to shoot stealth.

    As I understand it, according to your comments, at various publications, you collect information ..!?
  16. PKTRL
    PKTRL 4 November 2017 20: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quote: Vadim237
    You are right, this radar is already obsolete both physically and morally.

    I think that the Russian Federation already has new systems on the way.

    For those interested in the issue, the new complex of combat with the Russian air defense systems C-400 and Pantsyr from the Israeli company Raphael. The system allows not only to dazzle the Russian air defense, but also to divert their launched missiles, and, if necessary, to destroy the complexes themselves. Such a system has already been successfully tested and used in the skies of Lebanon and Syria.

    Yes, the Jews are invulnerable and insurmountable - everyone knows this ... laughing
  17. PKTRL
    PKTRL 4 November 2017 21: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "no, we can’t. You should not worry and take care of it" ////

    I worry about my air defense, not yours. She, like the Russian one, also does not know how to shoot down stealth missiles.

    You worry about your “country” that it may disappear not because of the use of any weapon, but with one stroke of the pen .. Actually, this is how it appeared, i.e. artificially!
    1. Lex.
      Lex. 4 November 2017 21: 47 New
      +1
      Just not yours
  18. vlanis
    vlanis 5 November 2017 01: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Vard
    I am not an expert, but from the point of view of common sense I was very pleased with the “remote operator workstations” ... I understand that if they shy away from anything, then people will not suffer ...

    This is far from news. All airfield locators are equipped with similar remote controls even under the pea king. The locator is located kilometers from the air traffic control center.
  19. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 5 November 2017 10: 27 New
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    So much effort and money has been spent, and these Russians again nullified all their efforts.
  20. PKTRL
    PKTRL 28 November 2017 23: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Lex.
    Just not yours

    Silly you..! laughing I don’t even have a clue how to worry about a plastic country, consisting of gentlemen of the pancreas .. Not with s, Lyolik, my pen stroke already works! hi