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Gazprom brings Turkish Stream to Turkish border

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Gazprom has completed the construction of the sea sections of the Turkish Stream in Russia, the first line of the gas pipeline entered the exclusive economic zone of Turkey, reports South Stream Transport BV (a subsidiary of Gazprom, which is engaged in the construction of a gas pipeline).


Pioneering Spirit, the world's largest pipe-laying and construction vessel, celebrated this event by placing pipe sections with Russian and Turkish flags at sea symbolizing the crossing of the border of the exclusive economic zone between the two countries.
- the report says.

Gazprom brings Turkish Stream to Turkish border


In total, Gazprom has already built 448 kilometers along two lines of the Turkish stream. According to SST, construction is on schedule - in less than six months, it has been possible to build almost a quarter of the offshore section.

Now the ship Pioneering Spirit will continue laying the thread to the landfall section in Turkey. Both lines of the gas pipeline will go to the land near the settlement Kiyikoy.

The Allseas vessel's Pioneering Spirit lays an average of about four kilometers per day. The depth of the Black Sea on the border of the exclusive economic zones of Russia and Turkey is 2171 meter - this is one of the deepest sections of the Turkish Stream.

Gazprom has been constructing the Turkish Stream gas pipeline since May. The construction of the first line with a capacity of 15,75 billion cubic meters is expected to be completed in March next year, it is intended for gas supplies to Turkey. The second line, the same capacity that gas will go to southern and southeastern Europe, should be built in the 2019 year.
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 4 November 2017 11: 57
    24
    Somewhere, someone was very sad. )
    1. Partyzan
      Partyzan 4 November 2017 12: 08
      29
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Somewhere, someone was very sad. )

      even more laughing
      1. Barshchik-M
        Barshchik-M 4 November 2017 12: 47
        14
        We work ..! If you don’t want to, we’ll make it .. Here’s such a zagagulin bully

        "Gazprom" rushing foolishly !!!!! ..he hehe ...
      2. askort154
        askort154 4 November 2017 12: 49
        13
        Partyzan .....even more

        Great photo. I immediately thought .... Ukraine ... Carpathians ... 2020 ... transit of Moskalsky gas from Slovenia ...... The pipe has already been dug up. belay
    2. Petr1
      Petr1 4 November 2017 12: 54
      24
      And could our esteemed government, people’s national oil and gas, be cheaper to sell, and not like Europe or the Chinese. And ZP Sechin and Mühler do less for the extraction of the people, but what happens! you don’t even need to steal wink
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 13: 08
        18
        Quote: Petr1
        But could our esteemed government, people’s national oil and gas, be cheaper to sell, and not like Europe or the Chinese

        And someone here does not know how to count ... even until two, a campaign ...
        How much do you have at home (doia, not in the main pipe! At home - it always more expensivethan in that pipe) gas cube?
        And how much gas for Europe?
        You learned to write, that's a plus. Now you should consider learning more ... request
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 4 November 2017 14: 03
          +9
          Well, the idea is, in general, correctly expressed by Peter 1, the price of oil products and gas inside Russia should be lower. Who would mind?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 14: 06
            11
            Quote: Tatar 174
            oil and gas prices in Russia should be lower

            Yeah ... or better for nothing, or with a surcharge ... to you.
            It is already so much lower than export.
            But you, of course, all is not enough request
            Quote: Tatar 174
            Well, the idea is generally expressed by Peter 1 correctly

            Peter Raz screwed up in full, to which he was indicated.
            Objections, additions?
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 05: 56
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Yeah ... or better for nothing, or with a surcharge ... to you.
              It is already much lower than export.
              But you, of course, all is not enough

              Only now, for some reason, connecting a private house to gas in Belarus (which does not produce gas but exports from Russia, costs several times less than ours!
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 4 November 2017 14: 23
          14
          Golovan Jack, if I make moonshine, then I will sell to my relatives cheaper than to neighbors. Isn't that the same here?
          1. Petr1
            Petr1 4 November 2017 14: 31
            +6
            It’s just that Golovan’s jack seems to have been eating a cat zero before, then we used to argue with him. That's where the toad came from. He compared the prices even with gasoline in his own country and in countries where there is absolutely no oil, but he’s golovan?
            1. NordOst16
              NordOst16 4 November 2017 14: 50
              +3
              At the same time, you can also compare salaries, for example
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 4 November 2017 18: 04
                +5
                Quote: NordOst16
                At the same time, you can also compare salaries, for example


                Hey. Compare, figured, sad.
              2. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 18: 21
                +9
                Quote: NordOst16
                At the same time, you can also compare salaries, for example

                Lehko ...
                In Russia, $ 12000 a year is a very good salary, right?
                In Canada, 60000 a year is very little. In Sweden, any - it's generally nan ... none ... goose’s garbage, in short.
                That's all for you comparison. request
                Quote: Lelek
                Lelek

                Sit at home, you're still a little ... One hundred plus good
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 4 November 2017 15: 12
              +4
              Quote: Petr1
              It’s just that Golovan’s jack seems to have been eating a cat zero before, then we used to argue with him. That's where the toad came from. He compared the prices even with gasoline in his own country and in countries where there is absolutely no oil, but he’s golovan?
              So it’s Kat Mul, or whatever it is in Latin ... and I think, where did this Troll go, have they really cleared laughing
            3. The comment was deleted.
            4. You Vlad
              You Vlad 4 November 2017 19: 15
              +5
              Quote: Petr1
              It’s just that Golovan’s jack seems to have had a cat zero itself before, then we used to argue with him.

              You can’t argue with you! request
              Quote: Petr1
              I compared prices at least for gasoline in my country and in countries where there is absolutely no oil

              Especially for you rushed: Rating for 2016
              1. Venezuela - $ 0,01 (0,62 rubles)
              2. Saudi Arabia - $ 0,24 (15 rubles)
              3. Iran - $ 0,34 (21 rubles)
              4. Kuwait - $ 0,35 (22 rubles)
              5. Malaysia - $ 0,41 (25 rubles)
              6. United Arab Emirates - $ 0,45 (28 rubles)
              7. Nigeria - $ 0,46 (29 rubles)
              8. Russia - $ 0,59 (37 rubles)
              9. Indonesia - $ 0,59 (37 rubles)
              10. Pakistan - $ 0,61 (38 rubles)
              11. USA - $ 0,65 (40 rubles)
              12. Colombia - 0,69 (43 rubles.)
              13. Egypt - $ 0,7 (44 rubles)
              14. Mexico - $ 0.75 (47 rubles)
              15.Philippines - $ 0,8 (50 rubles)
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 4 November 2017 19: 22
                +2
                Quote: You Vlad
                Especially for you rushed: Rating for 2016

                And for what for 2016? There is a fresh one for October 30, 2017, even in Belarus, which exports our oil, gasoline is cheaper fellow
                http://ru.globalpetrolprices.com/Saudi-Arabia/gas
                oline_prices /
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 4 November 2017 19: 34
                  +1
                  In Russia, 0,68, and in Belarus 0,64, the difference is in subsidies and taxes.
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 4 November 2017 19: 49
                    0
                    I suspect Old Man wanted to break into the rating: I want to understand that gasoline would be cheaper than in Russia lol
                    1. Stirbjorn
                      Stirbjorn 4 November 2017 21: 59
                      +2
                      I don’t know - I don’t know ... I can say for sure that in 2011, 2012, 2013 I drove a car to Belarus in the summer, and so Lukoil’s gasoline was cheaper there, by a few rubles — and it could be paid in Russian rubles, right on the spot .. .This is the paradox, despite the fact that I emphasize Lukoil in the Lena oblast and in Vitebsk
                      1. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Stirbjorn
                        I don’t know - I don’t know ... I can say for sure that in 2011, 2012, 2013 I drove a car to Belarus in the summer, and so Lukoil’s gasoline was cheaper there, by a few rubles — and it could be paid in Russian rubles, right on the spot .. .This is the paradox, despite the fact that I emphasize Lukoil in the Lena oblast and in Vitebsk

                        In Kazakhstan, Gazprom Neft's gas stations are also cheaper than in Russia. In the summer was ...
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 14: 55
            +8
            Quote: sabakina
            if I make moonshine, then I will sell to my relatives cheaper than to neighbors. Isn't that the same here?

            It's your right. But to the point, IMHO, has nothing to do.
            There was a feed from Petr1:
            Quote: Petr1
            And could not our esteemed government, the people of the people oil and gas are cheaper to sell, and not like Europe or the Chinese

            There was my answer that it already sells at times cheaper than "Europe or the Chinese".
            And, actually, that's all. Objections, additions?
        3. Sergei75
          Sergei75 4 November 2017 14: 53
          11
          And in the village of Cheryomushki, in the Smolensk region, near Vyazma, they did not see pipe gas.
          T.S. defeated by the winners.
        4. INTER
          INTER 4 November 2017 19: 33
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Petr1
          But could our esteemed government, people’s national oil and gas, be cheaper to sell, and not like Europe or the Chinese

          And someone here does not know how to count ... even until two, a campaign ...
          How much do you have at home (doia, not in the main pipe! At home - it always more expensivethan in that pipe) gas cube?
          And how much gas for Europe?
          You learned to write, that's a plus. Now you should consider learning more ... request

          Is gas connection for a private trader for 300 thousand normal too? I have gas at the border of the site, but I’m drowning with firewood. Alas and ah! And of course I’m glad for the state, gaining independence.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 20: 04
            10
            Quote: INTER
            Is gas connection for a private trader for 300 thousand normal too?

            I don’t understand why the question is addressed to me ... but I’ll try to answer.
            You see, connecting a private trader is not Gazprom, as you probably understand. This is some kind of local company. That is, the questions are for her.
            They’ll justify everything to you, don’t be slow wink
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 21: 20
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              You see, connecting a private trader is not Gazprom, as you probably understand. This is some kind of local company. That is, the questions are for her.
              They’ll justify everything to you, don’t be slow

              I see that you not only do not understand taxes))) Do you have a private house at your own? Gas connected?
              I'll tell you. The applicant submits an application for connection to the gas distribution organization, and the gas distribution company is obliged to carry out the whole range of organizational and technical measures to bring the gas distribution network to the border of the applicant’s land plot. Gas Prom, unlike RAO UES, was not divided into separate companies, but remained a monopolist. All oblgazy, gorgazy and the like are part of the Gas Prom system. Even if the installation of a gas boiler is done by a private office, gorgaz employees should come to you and check that all conditions are met. After that, a receipt of technical supervision is written out, after which, together with all the documents, it is submitted again to gorgaz. The employees of the department must fill in the gas meter within 21 days, conclude a contract for its supply and conduct safety training. After all the procedures, a gas is connected to you.
              So only the laying of the pipe around the house and the installation of the boiler can be done by third-party organizations (and that is the acceptance of gas). And this will be the smallest expense item. Everything else, ultimately, is Gas Prom ...
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 21: 34
                +7
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                All oblgazy, gorgazy and the like are part of the Gas Prom system

                Ahem ... where does this contradict what I wrote?
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                ... connecting a private trader is not Gazprom ... This is some kind of local company.

                Gazprom-gas distribution Ivanovo, for example.
                It does not engage in extraction and export, it cuts off private traders. Formally - an independent organization, financially - so exactly independent.
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                So only the laying of the pipe around the house and the installation of the boiler can be done by third-party organizations (and that is the acceptance of gas). And this will be the smallest expense item

                Essentially. Since pre-revolutionary times, it’s still allowed for us to have been more expensive ... everything ... "you’re a bug without a collar," yeah.
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                Do you have a private house? Gas connected?

                No to both questions. Friends did this, spat, like camels. So - slightly in the subject.
                Good luck in the fight against the mono-polo player. But without the dough (which Bobro wins) there is no way request
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 6 November 2017 01: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Ahem ... where does this contradict what I wrote?

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  You see, connecting a private trader is not Gazprom, as you probably understand. This is some kind of local company. That is, the questions are for her.

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Gazpromgas distribution Ivanovo, for example.
                  It does not engage in extraction and export, it cuts off private traders. Formally - an independent organization

                  That is, the fact that the Gazprom subsidiary does not export gas makes it not Gazprom?
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  financially so independent.

                  And where did you get such knowledge about the financial structure of Gazprom and its subsidiaries? Do not share information sources?
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Good luck in the fight against the mono-polo player. But without the dough (which Bobro wins) there is no way

                  Anything can happen. For example, connection to electricity at home, formally, for free. In fact, companies drag out the process so much that most spit and bring them money for the connection. But one friend who connected her cottage before me provided me with her lawyer. He drew up the application in such a way that the power was not connected on time, the companies were leaving so sideways that they came to me on the third day and did everything promptly. True evil were like dogs laughing
                  So there are always options. You just need to know them. With the connection of gas, there are also preferential categories. You must be able to use them.
                  Yes, there are options in everything. And tax deductions and compensation for medical care ...
                  The problem is that the vast majority of our citizens suffer from legal illiteracy and therefore do not use anything ...
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 6 November 2017 01: 20
                    +7
                    Quote: AllXVahhaB
                    And where did you get such knowledge about the financial structure of Gazprom and its subsidiaries? Do not share information sources?

                    Lehko:


                    Enough, I guess? wink
                    Quote: AllXVahhaB
                    Anything can happen. For example, connecting electricity to a house ...

                    ... two orders of magnitude simpler, cheaper, and safer than connecting gas.
                    Your "victory story" is understandable, congratulations. But with gas this number will not work, one hundred pounds.
                    Quote: AllXVahhaB
                    So there are always options

                    Well, naturally ...
                    Even if you were eaten, you still have two options ...

                    Voooot ...
                    PS: In general, Gazprom is a holding company with many subsidiaries. Gazprombank, Gazprom Media and other-other ... all these are independent business units, be surprised wink
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 02
            +1
            Quote: INTER
            Is gas connection for a private trader for 300 thousand normal too? I have gas at the border of the site, but I’m drowning with firewood. Alas and ah! And of course I’m glad for the state, gaining independence.

            And in Belarus, less than fifty dollars ...
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 4 November 2017 14: 37
        +4
        Quote: Petr1
        And could our esteemed government, people’s national oil and gas, be cheaper to sell, and not like Europe or the Chinese. And ZP Sechin and Mühler do less for the extraction of the people, but what happens! you don’t even need to steal wink

        Countdown went
        The first bulkhead got into a discussion.
        1. NordOst16
          NordOst16 4 November 2017 14: 51
          16
          Well, why so categorically at once? If the opponent’s opinion differs from yours, then he’s immediately sent a Cossack?
        2. Sergei75
          Sergei75 4 November 2017 14: 54
          11
          What, who is not with us, the one with Navalny? smart, very smart!
      3. Charik
        Charik 4 November 2017 15: 33
        0
        the government probably wouldn’t be able to sway people’s money, where are they? In numbers and banks, they’re hitching at huts, but how would you lower your salary, if only the landlord has earned my money, but why steal from me
      4. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 4 November 2017 17: 32
        +1
        Do not whine! .In Ukraine, for heating three-room apartments they pay more money than they earn in a month.
        1. marshes
          marshes 4 November 2017 17: 52
          0
          Quote: 30 vis
          Do not whine! .In Ukraine, for heating three-room apartments they pay more money than they earn in a month.

          I judge in Kharkiv, at the moment 30% of the salary, I communicate weekly on Skype, the Earliest paid less at times.
          Now even some who do not work, manage to spend holidays in the nearest cafe and cry that everything is expensive.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 4 November 2017 18: 03
            +1
            I judge in Kiev. For a month, 2800-3200 hryvnias are spent to pay for heating a three-room apartment. About 6000 rubles are spent on ours. Let me remind you in Ukraine, the pension is 1200-1600 hryvnias (2500-3000 rubles)
            1. marshes
              marshes 4 November 2017 18: 09
              0
              Quote: 30 vis
              I judge in Kiev. For a month, 2800-3200 hryvnias are spent to pay for heating a three-room apartment. About 6000 rubles are spent on ours. Let me remind you in Ukraine, the pension is 1200-1600 hryvnias (2500-3000 rubles)

              You consider retirees in your family, and there are foreheads that are too old for God to work for. Although traveling abroad, in my case the UAE is teaching the basics of aerodynamics and design.
              That’s what their education wasn’t bad, that they were actively sharing. Negroes with grades before the entrance scared the neighbors for a long time. laughing
      5. MadCat
        MadCat 5 November 2017 06: 24
        0
        Quote: Petr1
        And could not our esteemed government, the people of national oil and gas.

        Well, what you find is what you get, the rest to investors and asset holders.
    3. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 4 November 2017 13: 48
      +9
      Gazprom has brought the Turkish Stream to the Turkish border.

      And now the fun begins. What can be called a "Turkish bazaar". The Turks will begin to bargain for themselves all kinds of economic and political preferences, which have nothing to do with the contract.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 4 November 2017 16: 25
        +2
        Of course, they will start if, according to the plan, they are preparing to hand over the first string only in March. There, the presidential election is just around the corner, you can beat a lot of things for yourself, because with the achievements in Russia under Putin it is rather weak. I do not understand the joys of the cheers-patriots, because this first thread, anyway, will be for the Turks! For the EU, in 2019 there will be a second, if they build of course ... so that far from everything is decided with Ukraine
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 4 November 2017 19: 53
          +3
          I do not understand the joys of cheers patriots


          unfortunate patriot does not understand the joy of converting gas into money / gold / projects

          your country will be a grief-patriot to earn money, increase pensions and protect you until you understand sitting here love

          the pipe is made not to annoy ukroine, but so that in the budget unfortunate patriots are not looking for the bottom

          for with the achievements in Russia under Putin is weak.


          live less than Putin? and judging by the situation around and by your comments, with your achievements, too, everything is not very
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 20: 20
            +8
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            the unfortunate patriot does not understand ...

            I agree with everything you have expressed, one amendment: this is not a "grief patriot", this alas, patriot... well, in order to distinguish him from those whom it baptizes with "cheers-patriots."
            IMHO.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 05
          +2
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          for with the achievements in Russia under Putin is weak.

          Whether the case under Yeltsin was ...
          1. notingem
            notingem 6 November 2017 09: 53
            0
            Whether in 1913 it was
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 09
          +1
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          after all, this first thread, anyway for the Turks will be! For the EU, in 2019 there will be a second, if they build of course ... so that far from everything is decided with Ukraine

          But do Turks pay for gas with some other money? As for Ukraine, the gas contract, just in 2019, ends ...
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 4 November 2017 12: 00
    +3
    The depth of the Black Sea on the border of the exclusive economic zones of Russia and Turkey is 2171 meters
    Is there any interesting equipment in case of repair? It would be interesting to read about this. In general, without really pathos, such truly construction projects of the century are now being carried out.
    1. Sharky
      Sharky 4 November 2017 14: 05
      +1
      Yes, such equipment is available. Or they will lower a certain bell with full automation (they can cut pipe cement, put plugs and then weld a new pipe segment instead of the damaged one). Or they will use ROV for maintenance, inspection and repair of the pipeline. More details here:
      http://maritime-zone.com/articles/2009-04-16-rovs
      /
  3. Hard Rock
    Hard Rock 4 November 2017 12: 03
    12
    As the Kiev junta said it wrote, the bridge to the Crimea exists only in the cinema, the Turkish stream, apparently, too. Let them be in their dreams! Vaska's cat, listens and eats. Returning to the real world will be very painful!
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 4 November 2017 12: 06
      +7
      Hard Rock
      Returning to the real world will be very painful!
      What is the real world there. There is one dream to go to work. And in general, the country no longer needs gas on an industrial scale.
      1. Hard Rock
        Hard Rock 4 November 2017 12: 13
        +6
        All are unlikely to leave, the top will run away, and then a hard awakening for zombies will begin ...
        1. PalBor
          PalBor 4 November 2017 12: 42
          +9
          Yes, what an awakening! They will die and, all the same, will blame everyone around for machinations, aggression robbery ...
          A people pathologically incapable of introspection and learning from their mistakes.
      2. poquello
        poquello 4 November 2017 12: 14
        +2
        Quote: Observer2014
        Hard Rock
        Returning to the real world will be very painful!
        What is the real world there. There is one dream to go to work. And in general, the country no longer needs gas on an industrial scale.

        well denyuzhku then they had for transit
      3. marshes
        marshes 4 November 2017 17: 55
        +1
        Quote: Observer2014
        What is the real world there. There is one dream to go to work. And in general, the country no longer needs gas on an industrial scale.

        Something like this, for domestic needs it is needed but the main consumers are in Donetsk and Lugansk, where metallurgy is developed.
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 4 November 2017 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Hard Rock
      Returning to the real world will be very painful!

      Therefore, they are in no hurry to return to the normal world ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 4 November 2017 12: 44
        +3
        Quote: NIKNN
        Quote: Hard Rock
        Returning to the real world will be very painful!

        Therefore, they are in no hurry to return to the normal world ...

        in a hurry, not in a hurry, but the world has not gone anywhere - for dill, the topic of servicing loans has come out
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 4 November 2017 12: 45
          +4
          Quote: poquello
          in dill, the topic of servicing credits comes out

          Well, here no one doubts. The West is not an all-forgiving Russia ...
      2. pjastolov
        pjastolov 4 November 2017 15: 00
        +9
        Quote: NIKNN
        Therefore, they are in no hurry to return to the normal world ..

        they can not laughing
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 4 November 2017 15: 02
          +3
          Quote: pjastolov
          they can not

          laughing laughing laughing
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 4 November 2017 14: 25
      +5
      Quote: Hard Rock
      As the Kiev junta said, it wrote that the bridge to the Crimea exists only in the cinema,

      In vain you are joking. In the film "Enjoy your Bath or Irony of Fate", the scene in the bathhouse was shot at the Mosfilm premises. laughing
      1. marshes
        marshes 4 November 2017 17: 57
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        In vain you are joking. In the film "Enjoy your Bath or Irony of Fate", the scene in the bathhouse was shot at the Mosfilm premises.

        Isn't it the Sandunov baths? Something like that.
  4. Ihrek
    Ihrek 4 November 2017 12: 08
    +4
    Interestingly, Turkish capital is present for laying these pipes, because Turks are not reliable guys. We’ll build it today, we’ll tumble it down, and tomorrow when everything is built they can simply refuse our gas, there is some kind of insurance against such risks. Or again, as always, we believe in the word.
    1. poquello
      poquello 4 November 2017 12: 13
      +4
      Quote: Ihrek
      Interestingly, Turkish capital is present for laying these pipes, because Turks are not reliable guys. We’ll build it today, we’ll tumble it down, and tomorrow when everything is built they can simply refuse our gas, there is some kind of insurance against such risks. Or again, as always, we believe in the word.

      Turks refuse distribution? come on
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 4 November 2017 12: 35
        +8
        Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. They are more likely to bite their feet off than refuse to be a hub.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 4 November 2017 12: 42
          +2
          And gas from Turkey to Europe, what route will get?
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 4 November 2017 12: 52
            +2
            Quote: Town Hall
            And gas from Turkey to Europe, what route will get?

            Planning through Greece and Bulgaria. But the EU again pulls the cat's tail. Teams from the Washington Regional Committee are waiting.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 4 November 2017 12: 58
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Town Hall
              And gas from Turkey to Europe, what route will get?

              Planning through Greece and Bulgaria. But the EU again pulls the cat's tail. Teams from the Washington Regional Committee are waiting.




              And if the EU refuses as with South Stream?
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 4 November 2017 13: 08
                +6
                Quote: Town Hall
                And if the EU refuses as with South Stream?

                They will buy LNG from the USA, which the USA is seeking. wink
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 4 November 2017 13: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: Jedi
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  And if the EU refuses as with South Stream?

                  They will buy LNG from the USA, which the USA is seeking. wink



                  Not a fact. They will buy on the same routes as now. That is, through Ukraine
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 4 November 2017 14: 01
                    +7
                    Forget about Ukraine. She has a GTS on its last legs and the transit agreement will end soon. And I do not think that the new will be signed.
                    1. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 4 November 2017 14: 05
                      +2
                      Quote: Jedi
                      Forget about Ukraine. She has a GTS on its last legs and the transit agreement will end soon. And I do not think that the new will be signed.



                      Sign. There are no other gas delivery routes to Europe
                      1. Jedi
                        Jedi 4 November 2017 14: 10
                        +5
                        Well, let's see how events develop.
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 4 November 2017 14: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Quote: Jedi
                        Forget about Ukraine. She has a GTS on its last legs and the transit agreement will end soon. And I do not think that the new will be signed.


                        Sign. There are no other gas delivery routes to Europe

                        ))))) and these are the problems of Europe
                      3. pjastolov
                        pjastolov 4 November 2017 15: 08
                        +7
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Sign. There are no other gas delivery routes to Europe

                        there is Nord Stream 1 and Yamal-Europe, and if there are not enough capacities - go mattresses, and money for gay people is more expensive than the regional committee - they will also drip the trench (with shovels), the main thing is that Mueller does not go to meet relatives hi
                      4. 79807420129
                        79807420129 4 November 2017 15: 16
                        +6
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Sign. There are no other gas delivery routes to Europe

                        Of course they will sign laughing You will only sign in 2019 with either Turkey or Germany, since gas hubs will be there yes It’s possible, of course, and state LNG, but it will be more expensive laughing Your business, your money wink
                  2. APASUS
                    APASUS 4 November 2017 17: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Town Hall
                    Quote: Jedi
                    Quote: Town Hall
                    And if the EU refuses as with South Stream?

                    They will buy LNG from the USA, which the USA is seeking. wink

                    Not a fact. They will buy on the same routes as now. That is, through Ukraine

                    It never occurred to you that using a gas pipeline and not investing in modernization for a long time will not work? Ukraine to lose the pipeline is not even for political reasons, namely for economic reasons. You can’t milk a cow and not feed it!
              2. Piramidon
                Piramidon 4 November 2017 14: 31
                +1
                Quote: Town Hall
                And if the EU refuses as with South Stream?

                That is why for the time being one thread is being pulled purely for Turkish consumption. And with the second thread it all depends on the Turks. Will they agree with the EU or not. If agreed, then + second thread
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 4 November 2017 14: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  And if the EU refuses as with South Stream?

                  That is why for the time being one thread is being pulled purely for Turkish consumption. And with the second thread it all depends on the Turks. Will they agree with the EU or not. If agreed, then + second thread



                  They don’t agree. The Turkish stream is a worsened version of the southern stream. And all the reasons for which the south was denied remain. And still new ones are added. Turkey is definitely not in good relations with the EU in general and with Greece in particular.

                  And in order to "get around" Ukraine, not 1 thread is needed. A minimum of 3-4.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 4 November 2017 14: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Town Hall
                    all the reasons for which the south was denied remain.

                    Dear Town Hall. You are somewhat behind the times. Let it be known to you that South Stream was covered with a copper basin due to EU pressure on Bulgaria from the Washington Regional Committee, Turkey, unlike Bulgaria, is not a member of the EU and can ignore all the wishes of the European columns.
                    1. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 4 November 2017 15: 28
                      +2
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      Dear Town Hall. You are somewhat behind the times. Let it be known to you that South Stream was covered with a copper basin due to EU pressure on Bulgaria from the Washington Regional Committee, Turkey, unlike Bulgaria, is not a member of the EU and can ignore all the wishes of the European columns.


                      Do you see any logical inconsistency? ... The EU is against gas delivery via the southern stream. It was against 2 years ago and against and now. Nothing has changed. The law is prohibiting this. The 3rd Energy Package is called.


                      What difference does it make right now that this gas will pass through Turkey?. Well, the pipe will go this roundabout again to the border of the EU (the same Bulgaria again). And then?.
                      1. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 4 November 2017 15: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Do you see any logical inconsistency? ... The EU is against gas delivery via the southern stream. It was against 2 years ago and against and now. Nothing has changed. The law is prohibiting this. The 3rd Energy Package is called.
                        What difference does it make right now that this gas will pass through Turkey?. Well, the pipe will go this roundabout again to the border of the EU (the same Bulgaria again). And then?.

                        This is why they are building one thread for Turkey’s domestic consumption, and then they will look at the EU’s behavior. In any case, they need to think. The gas transportation system of Ukraine is on the verge of dying, despite any agreements with Russia ..
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 4 November 2017 14: 57
                    +4
                    Quote: Town Hall
                    They don’t agree. The Turkish stream is a worsened version of the southern stream. And all the reasons for which the south was denied remain. And still new ones are added. Turkey is definitely not in good relations with the EU in general and with Greece in particular.

                    And in order to "get around" Ukraine, not 1 thread is needed. A minimum of 3-4.

                    yes no IMHO at Gazprom superideas to provide Europe with gas, let Europe need our gas itch, no - the east is big
                    1. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 4 November 2017 15: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: poquello
                      yes no IMHO at Gazprom superideas to provide Europe with gas, let Europe need our gas itch, no - the east is big



                      Well try to sell to the East
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 4 November 2017 15: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Quote: poquello
                        yes no IMHO at Gazprom superideas to provide Europe with gas, let Europe need our gas itch, no - the east is big

                        Well try to sell to the East

                        x try here
                        Russian gas deliveries to China through the Power of Siberia will begin in December 2019

                        http://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/2017/july/articl
                        e340464 /
                      2. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 4 November 2017 15: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Well try to sell to the East

                        And what about supplies to China through the "power of Siberia" you can object?
                      3. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 4 November 2017 18: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Well try to sell to the East

                        And we’ll sell it without trial. And judging by your flag, buy liquefied oil shale from Pindocs. No mind - pay grandmas.
        2. garnik
          garnik 4 November 2017 17: 31
          0
          But the Ukrainian authorities refused. The Turks have even more reasons to "hold" the Russian economy.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 12: 38
        +1
        Quote: poquello
        Turks refuse distribution? come on

        The Bulgarians refused.
        1. poquello
          poquello 4 November 2017 12: 41
          +5
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          Quote: poquello
          Turks refuse distribution? come on

          The Bulgarians refused.

          Bulgarians - slave lamp
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 13: 24
            +2
            Quote: poquello
            Bulgarians - slave lamp

            Nevertheless, they refused. Now bites your elbows. Whether the Turks want to do the same is not known.
            1. poquello
              poquello 4 November 2017 13: 45
              +2
              Quote: Vasyan1971
              Quote: poquello
              Bulgarians - slave lamp

              Nevertheless, they refused. Now bites your elbows. Whether the Turks want to do the same is not known.

              it’s a profitable long business, it’s cheap gas in the country — why should the Turks refuse, the Bulgarians by the status of the Western Six caved in — and figs with them, but brotherly to them Russia allowed them to continue the project if there is a permit from their owner, there is no help - there is no project, and from the 19th year no one will feed transit dill in the Maidband
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 4 November 2017 14: 59
          +1
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          The Bulgarians refused.

          Do you really think that it was the BULGARIANS who refused? You, or from the distant past profit, or the Internet, for you, is limited only by
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 16: 19
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            Do you really think that it was the BULGARIANS who refused? You, or from the distant past profit, or the Internet, for you, is limited only by

            Right now it was a shame ... crying
            And I think that Bulgaria is responsible for the final decision. Who is to blame for what they once fought for and ran into? The high rank of “Euro Power” now obliges. In Nuremberg, too, there was a cry, like we are not to blame, this is the evil Fuhrer ordered us. Somehow it didn’t help ... request
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 4 November 2017 12: 10
    0
    The main thing is that now the process is not slowed down, Erdogad must have received all sorts of offers hundreds of times to freeze or even disrupt work! sad We need to constantly monitor the work, and at the same time take care of the safety of the pipeline, because the ukrobenders will do everything to make the pipeline ready as soon as possible, or not worthy at all.
  6. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 4 November 2017 12: 11
    +4
    Hello to the budget of Ukraine in 2019 and to Naftogaz
  7. wot
    wot 4 November 2017 12: 11
    +1
    5 comments, with such joy that you personally will get something from this? or joy, that we sell the natural resources of the country to the right and left, normal countries trade in technology, my native country is wide, there are a lot of forests of fields and rivers and everything else, it’s also dofig (the movie doesn’t happen once)
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 4 November 2017 12: 15
      12
      For example, Norway, right? Or the United States, which wants to double oil exports and are trying to push its liquefied gas to Europe? Oh well. Apparently in your liquefied gas - is this technology? Or is the USA a crazy country? More Canada.
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 4 November 2017 12: 29
      13
      Quote: wot
      you personally that something will fall from this?

      My company can easily break off the order for the diagnosis of this / p after the construction is completed and during its operation. yes
      In energy trade, in fact, there are 2 dependent parties: both seller and buyer. All the cries about the fact that in the energy market the supply exceeds demand are just idle talk. And it’s stupid not to use the resource that you have learned to extract and transport right to the doorstep of the buyer. And the tales that we have gas left for 50-100 years and leave no more for Navalny and K. How much gas in our country no one knows.
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 4 November 2017 12: 53
        +1
        Our office also has to sit down to service the pipes, so that there is reason to smile. Another point is not a bummer! I’m not evil-life and my outlying relatives did it. You go out to the river and you look it’s drowning like a trifle, but nice.
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 4 November 2017 13: 48
        +2
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        In energy trade, in fact, there are 2 dependent parties: both seller and buyer.

        Golden words good
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        How much gas in our country does not know anyone.
        This is true yesMore Arctic ...
      3. pjastolov
        pjastolov 4 November 2017 15: 12
        +6
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        How much gas in our country does not know anyone.

        knows - GOD, but he will not say hi
    3. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 13: 02
      +8
      Quote: wot
      5 comments, with such joy that you personally will get something from this? or joy, that we sell the natural resources of the country to the right and left, normal countries trade in technology, my native country is wide, there are a lot of forests of fields and rivers and everything else, it’s also dofig (the movie doesn’t happen once)

      Selfish some kind of "gurgle".
      And what did you personally fall from the sale of the RD-180? And since the construction of nuclear power plants in Iran, Turkey, India, Slovakia, Finland, Hungary, etc.? What did you personally fall from commercial space launches? From metallurgy, chemical, agricultural products? From defense industry products? From space communications and generally from a satellite constellation? What do you personally have from the Kuril Islands, Far East, Siberia, Crimea?
      And show at least one state that does not sell its "natural wealth"?
      In short, some feeble troll went ...
      1. ando_bor
        ando_bor 4 November 2017 13: 51
        +6
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        some feeble troll went ...

        Well, they are not so stupid that they would shout "glory to Ukraine" here.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 November 2017 13: 43
      +3
      Gazprom shares may rise in price.
    5. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 28
      0
      Quote: wot
      5 comments, with such joy that you personally will get something from this?

      I am a surveyor engineer. I am engaged in research and design of areal and linear objects. The most solvent and regularly paying customers since the 90s (I have been in the profession since 95) were the regions whose budgets are formed by selling resources: Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Sakhalin ...
  8. turbris
    turbris 4 November 2017 12: 20
    +1
    Of course - this is not the best option - to rely on Turkey, but maybe in the economy, the Turks are more pragmatic than in politics.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 November 2017 13: 44
      +1
      They still haven’t returned the grandmother to us for the downed Su 24.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 13: 52
        14
        Quote: Vadim237
        They still haven’t returned the grandmother to us for the downed Su 24.

        Too bad to thump wink
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 4 November 2017 14: 49
          +2
          Yeah. You can skip a lot of things or just not notice.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 4 November 2017 15: 47
            +1
            You can skip the knife in the back and not notice it. You will definitely not be noticed with this.
      2. Makarov
        Makarov 4 November 2017 14: 44
        0
        And how much does it cost to shoot a tomahawk in the Kremlin? Announce the rates, please ... otherwise not everyone is in the know, it seems ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 November 2017 15: 44
          +2
          For life - this price suits you. But the Turks did not answer and did not pay for the downed Sushka - this is another blow to the face of our foreign policy. Someone — whether it’s Putin, said on all the screens of the country - “Our accomplices of terrorists shot down our plane” - they quickly changed into friends, and make friends with jackals - you yourself will become a hawk for them, in the future it will come out of Russia again.
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 4 November 2017 17: 18
            +1
            Your plane was shot down by NATO troops. It was necessary to answer symmetrically - to shoot down a NATO plane ... this is my opinion. But Erdogan did what should have been done in the Russian Federation a long time ago - to give power to his President ... Including because ideology is forbidden in Russia, you have no independent foreign or domestic policy ... in any case, in the interests of RF for sure ... but at least you are trying to fight for it ... although a smaller part of the country ...

            PS Whom is it for life? The floor of Ukraine will sit down for life with pleasure and become heroes if only to bomb you, are you imposing something? Grandmas for a downed plane? Good luck in life ...
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 November 2017 12: 21
    +7
    They put the Turks on the "gas needle". wassat there is also a nuclear power plant being built. This is "soft power" in my understanding.
  10. Going
    Going 4 November 2017 12: 29
    11
    The second string of the same capacity by which gas will go to Southern and Southeastern Europe should be built in 2019.


    Just in time for the end of the contract with the horses, let them jump on.
  11. wot
    wot 4 November 2017 12: 32
    +1
    Quote: Muvka
    Or the United States, which wants to double oil exports and are trying to push its liquefied gas to Europe? Oh well. Apparently in your liquefied gas - is this technology? Or is the USA a crazy country? More Canada.

    the US has the goal of depriving Russia of budget revenues, and gas is clearly not their main source of income, but I don’t want to argue with you, go further to VO in our country, everything is fine and apparently you don’t meet pensioners who have been crippled all their lives and are standing by stores with jars for small things, because the entire pension for housing and communal services is leaving, everything is fine with us, but here is the news, our Foreign Ministry felt the strength - the whole of Canada answered in a mirror, straightforward pride in them laughing fellow
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 4 November 2017 13: 01
      11
      Well, wait. Everyone was waiting for “Yaroslavna to cry” for sick children and pensioners. Do you copy Bulk leaflets here? I am a pensioner (non-working), my wife too. They never rummaged around in the garbage cans, just as your liberal brotherhood likes to moan, and did not stand with jars at the shops. We also help children with grandchildren.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 13: 27
        +6
        Quote: Piramidon
        Well, wait. Everyone was waiting for “Yaroslavna to cry” for sick children and pensioners.

        More about prosralipolymers should be lol
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 45
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        We also help children with grandchildren.

        My mother-in-law also gives almost half the pension to her grandchildren - she cannot spend it herself)))
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 4 November 2017 13: 03
      +2
      Quote: wot
      everything is fine in our country and apparently you don’t meet pensioners who have been crippled all their lives and are standing at stores with jars for small things, because the entire pension for housing and communal services is leaving


      You are cunning. It’s easier for pensioners to go to the department of social protection and apply for a subsidy than “with a jar for small things under the store.”
    3. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 13: 16
      +5
      Quote: wot
      the US has the goal of depriving Russia of budget revenues, and gas is clearly not their main source of income

      Basic, not basic. Explicitly, not explicitly. But ambition for world hegemony (lol) have the sale of energy.
      Quote: wot
      but I don’t want to argue with you

      But argue.
      Quote: wot
      apparently you don’t meet pensioners who have been crippled all their lives and stand at stores with jars for small items

      In our place in Ivanovo (depressed region, they say), these are rare and do not cause much confidence. And basically the muddy soaked men knock down the “ruble for travel”.
      Quote: wot
      our Foreign Ministry felt the force - the whole of Canada answered in a mirror

      Enchanting! Routine relations are not very friendly states. Just ... And bile, bile!
      1. Dimachrus
        Dimachrus 4 November 2017 15: 11
        +3
        In our place in Ivanovo (depressed region, they say), these are rare and do not cause much confidence. And basically the muddy soaked men knock down the “ruble for travel”.
        I confirm!
        And if you compare the bridge on Pushkin Square in Ivanovo (the most "fishy" place for sitters with jars) with the area of ​​three stations in Moscow - so we can conclude that "pensioners according to the wot classification" live much worse in the capital)))
        Although we mostly have gypsies with jars ;-)
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 16: 28
          +1
          Respect to the adequate fellow countryman! drinks
    4. evil partisan
      evil partisan 4 November 2017 13: 41
      +4
      Quote: wot
      apparently you don’t meet pensioners who have been crippled all their lives and stand at stores with jars for small items

      Listen, WOT. Do you happen to happen with polymers? wink
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 4 November 2017 15: 07
        +3
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        Listen, WOT. Do you happen to happen with polymers?

        I, so I think that this person does not read answers, they are absolutely like him. He was given the task - "go as high as possible" and merge into the following branches.
    5. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 43
      0
      Quote: wot
      and gas is clearly not their main source of income

      Do we have something basic? The largest contribution to the budget comes from VAT, in second place is customs duty and only in third is the tax on mining.
      Quote: wot
      and apparently you don’t meet pensioners who have been crippled all their lives and are standing at stores with jars for small things, because the entire pension for housing and communal services is leaving

      So my mother-in-law hunched her whole life. In her youth she left for Sakhalin * (the territory equated to the regions of the far North) for a "long ruble", at first she generally lived in a hut. The last (before retirement) 12 years worked in the Gas Prom system. Then, according to the program of resettlement from areas of the far North, she moved to the mainland. Now lives in Vladimir. He receives a pension (including the "northern" and an increase from Gas Prom) a little more than 40 thousand rubles a month. So here, as they say, who studied for whom and who worked where ...
  12. marshes
    marshes 4 November 2017 12: 33
    0
    Well, now the Turks will have centralized gasification, they will heal.
    And I remember in Istanbul, in a small hotel, a gas fireplace-heater, on propane-butane, it was chilly in winter.
    1. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 4 November 2017 13: 02
      +6
      Quote: marshes
      Well, now the Turks will have centralized gasification, they will heal.
      And I remember in Istanbul, in a small hotel, a gas fireplace-heater, on propane-butane, it was chilly in winter.

      Let them live and remember Russia .. heh heh Have you in Kazakhstan, of course, all are gasified? wassat
      1. marshes
        marshes 4 November 2017 13: 20
        0
        Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
        Let them live and remember Russia .. heh heh Have you in Kazakhstan, of course, all are gasified?

        Not all, but progress is being made, the whole West is gasified, the South, here the Central and East specialties, although they already allocate money, will go from next year. And you will allocate a lot of money, I don’t know how it will pay back, although I think it’s cheaper to build nuclear power plants and TPPs and prices to reduce electricity.
        And for the hacienda that is on OR, I already look at the windmill in the region of 6-10 Sq / h. It’s expensive, but what can I do, the coal can be driven far and the saxaul is not growing fast. Although the vacant plot was planted with American maple, the weed is growing fast. smile
        1. Barshchik-M
          Barshchik-M 4 November 2017 15: 29
          +5
          Quote: marshes
          Not all, but progress is being made, the whole West is gasified, the South, here the Central and East specialties, although they already allocate money, will go from next year. And you will allocate a lot of money, I don’t know how it will pay back, although I think it’s cheaper to build nuclear power plants and TPPs and prices to reduce electricity.

          Are you going to gasify your North and just restore it? There is generally complete devastation, as in the old days of skinny sheep shepherds graze 10 years not washed ..))))
          1. marshes
            marshes 4 November 2017 15: 37
            0
            Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
            Are you going to gasify your North and just restore it? There is generally complete devastation, as in the old days of skinny sheep shepherds graze 10 years not washed ..))))

            Firstly, few people live in the North, yes your pipeline gas laughing high population decline due to natural causes and relocation, here comes a program for resettlement from the south. But it’s not active, it doesn’t allocate money. Yes, and it makes sense to invest where high energy components can be solved only with low energy tariffs. Economy, damn it. The climate can change , so then you will have to fight off human flows.
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 57
            0
            Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
            There is generally complete devastation, as in the old days of skinny sheep shepherds graze 10 years not washed ..))))

            I drove back along the highway Uskaman-Semsk-Pavlodar-border ... I did not see any skinny sheep. But what was unusual caught my eye: herds of grazing horses of meat breeds)))
            Kazi is just a masterpiece. Well, baursaki with kurt, koumiss ... Just nostalgia for childhood ...
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 53
          0
          Quote: marshes
          and eastern special

          I come from Semipalatinsk. Until the 90s, there was a gas distributor in each yard, which was filled with liquefied gas. Now the whole city (almost 300 people) uses propane gas cylinders (even high-rise buildings). All boiler rooms are on coal. Was in the summer at the graves of their ancestors. I didn’t go to villages, as I don’t know ...
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 November 2017 13: 47
        +1
        Volgograd region on Kazakhstan gas - the second grade, sits.
        1. marshes
          marshes 4 November 2017 13: 54
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Volgograd region on Kazakhstan gas - the second grade, sits.

          What is the second grade? Methane or propane?
          That gas is coming from the Amangeldinskoye field to you, and the Orengbursk region is turning it into a salable condition. And the KAZ ROSGaz company, the owner of the matchmaker Nazarbayev and the owner of the Kairat football team, where this chips lover plays, is Arshavin.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 4 November 2017 23: 55
            +1
            Salam, Swamps !!!
            I am pleased with the latest news. We built a branch from the West of Kazakhstan with 8 gas pumping stations - now in the south our gas will go. I don’t remember, but the power is small, although we have enough. I remember in the 90s, Alma-Ata sat without gas. Guard! My first child was born then. And now, in addition to Uzbek, there is Turkmen and its own. By the way, a friend on Kapchagai brought gas to the cottage, relatives from Taldyk say the same.
            Thus, Russia can now begin to pump its gas into ... China. Well, maybe there’s a small branch in the Russian Federation. Our gas from Karachaganak goes to Orenburg for processing, and from there there was a branch to the west, now it has appeared to the southeast. This is where it is necessary to stick the Russian gas pipe in order to pump it to China right now. The question arises: will the RK give Moscow such an opportunity? The NAS has already stated that it is ready to provide this to Moscow. Well, judging by the fact that our gas and oil do not go through all the new pipelines in the PRC ... then the NAS will surely give it. If the Power of Siberia and contracts for the supply of gas to China begin to shift to the right, then Moscow will sign a pumping through our territory. How did Rosneft get with oil supplies to China and ... voila ... our pipeline passed under it. Have you heard for Tashkent? Oil will go to their refineries from ... Russia - the National Academy of Sciences has already given the go-ahead - there it is only from Chimkent to drop a pipe and increase pumping from Tyumen. NAS gives priority to income from energy transit, and not from their sale - judging by its actions. Yes, and they probably go to repay loans for the construction of all these pipelines.
            Bolot, how do you like the situation with fuel and lubricants? They got it ... The government is threatening that everything will change before the New Year - one of the three refineries (in my opinion, Pavlodar) will be “modernized” and launched. And in the next one, we will stop importing 1 million tons of fuel and lubricants from the Russian Federation, and we will be ready to import two or three of them ourselves. They promise that all three refineries will modernize and repair. Maybe the flyers will fly more - their jet fuel will appear ?! Although it is hard to believe after the annual autumn shakes with benzo and diesel fuel. hi
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 06: 47
      0
      Quote: marshes
      And I remember in Istanbul, in a small hotel, a gas fireplace-heater, on propane-butane, it was chilly in winter.

      And I, in general, saw that mostly coal was drowned ...
  13. rudolff
    rudolff 4 November 2017 12: 38
    +2
    We take the gas valve from Ukraine and give it to the Turks. As for me, the radish is not sweeter. Turkey is not even a member of the European Union. An ideal option, a branch to Bulgaria through the Crimea, which is now of course unrealistic. At worst, maybe the Europeans will buy the Ukrainian gas transportation system, then the responsibility for deliveries is only to the border.
    1. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 4 November 2017 12: 58
      +7
      Quote: rudolff
      We take the gas valve from Ukraine and give it to the Turks. As for me, the radish is not sweeter. Turkey is not even a member of the European Union

      Turks are cunning and evil .. Let them make fun of Europe ..! This is such a plan ... heh heh ..
      And we drive the "Nord Stream" ..! So it’s possible to influence politics by valves .. And let Ukrainians have a rest and harvest fat (unlicensed ..))))) The EU consumer union and the IMF can check the cellars of Ukrainians and refuse credit! wassat
    2. Town Hall
      Town Hall 4 November 2017 18: 03
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      We take the gas valve from Ukraine and give it to the Turks. As for me, the radish is not sweeter. Turkey is not even a member of the European Union. An ideal option, a branch to Bulgaria through the Crimea, which is now of course unrealistic. At worst, maybe the Europeans will buy the Ukrainian gas transportation system, then the responsibility for deliveries is only to the border.



      The problem is that it is Gazprom that doesn’t want such a sales scheme. Gazprom invested a lot of money and efforts to sell gas precisely "inside" the EU and not in the hub on the outskirts
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 5 November 2017 00: 12
        +1
        So the EU is strangling Gazprom with “energy packages”. So they have already played out. With Central Asia, gas does not go to Europe; China has taken everything. The EU enjoyed an exclusive right and became insolent. Now the Russian Federation has turned east and south. This alternative will no longer allow the EU to dictate the terms and it’s their own fault. Silly little people are now sitting in the high chairs of Europe. Ukraine, in addition, has undermined Moscow's confidence in the EU. As a result, there will be their own "tomatoes" and airbuses. They wouldn’t jerk further, the Kremlin even agreed with the Arabs on oil, otherwise they would remain without authority and influence. wink hi
        Already the whole world understands who is driving this EU and with whom it is necessary to talk.
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      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 4 November 2017 14: 52
        +1
        Strange man wot! First he asks questions about: will you personally get something from this? They answer him, the person starts to come out of bile !!! recourse Ah, sorry for the skulls!
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 07: 05
      0
      Quote: wot
      well then everything is clear

      So you are against career growth, personal success and improving your own condition? Would you rather be poor and sick than healthy and rich?
  15. Vard
    Vard 4 November 2017 12: 43
    +1
    Shoemaker without boots, Russia without gas supply
    As of the first quarter of 2016, the gasification rate in the Russian Federation amounted to 66,2%. Is it a lot or a little? For comparison, we give the level of gasification of other states:
    Holland - 99,9%;
    Armenia - 93%;
    Azerbaijan - 80%;
    Uzbekistan - 75%;
    Ukraine - 72%.
    In Europe, the average gasification rate for countries exceeds 90%. How is it that the great gas power did not provide its residents with gas?
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 4 November 2017 12: 48
      +5
      Now compare the area of ​​all these countries with the area of ​​Russia. We have many villages that are very far from civilization.
      1. marshes
        marshes 4 November 2017 12: 55
        +1
        Quote: Muvka
        Now compare the area of ​​all these countries with the area of ​​Russia. We have many villages that are very far from civilization.

        Gas supply to villages should be developed so that people would not be considered deprived of the wealth of their homeland.
        It may even subsidize, instead of developing centrally, a pancake as its focal, like installations of gas holders.
      2. turbris
        turbris 4 November 2017 12: 58
        +4
        Of course, and in many remote areas, gasification is absolutely not cost-effective. They will build the “Power of Siberia” and many areas of the Khabarovsk Territory will be affected by gasification, as a passing effect, and where there are no pipes and roads, you need to use other sources of energy.
        1. marshes
          marshes 4 November 2017 13: 11
          +1
          Quote: turbris
          you need to use other sources of energy.

          With wood and coal, you just need to legally force, for example, forest managers to dispose of waste, stump-chips, wood chips, turning them into fuel briquettes or pellets. Automated solid fuel stoves are already on sale and the public subsidize the purchase and use of these stoves.
          Yes, gas cannot be pulled up to a settlement; it is easier to “optimize” —resettle it at state expense to large settlements.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 4 November 2017 13: 51
            +3
            Then it’s better to switch to electricity - gas is a dangerous thing.
            1. marshes
              marshes 4 November 2017 14: 03
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Then it’s better to switch to electricity - gas is a dangerous thing.

              True, the production cost should be reduced, but intermediaries should be removed, one fig of the power grid is monopolized and is surrounded by intermediary companies affiliated with the owners of energy producing companies.
              NPPs and TPPs on Ekibastuz coal are profitable.
              By the way, gas and electricity in Ukraine, before the events, were 2-4 times cheaper than in the example in Kazakhstan, where own gas, NPPs do not help them badly. I compared prices with my relatives who live in Kharkov and their salaries, pensions were almost the same I can’t understand that in Bykov they were in Kiev. Now they live much worse.
      3. Vard
        Vard 4 November 2017 13: 18
        0
        The low capitalization of Gazprom ... this is due to the fact that a lot of money is invested in export potential ... in other words, pipes are laid to the border three times more than necessary ... and they are dead weight ... with this money it was possible there would be a lot of gas inside the country ... On the other hand ... it’s very difficult and expensive to connect to our gas ... that a house, that another object ... So expensive that it’s more profitable to heat with electricity ...
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 13: 45
          +2
          Quote: Vard
          On the other hand ... it’s very difficult and expensive to connect with our gas ...

          And this is not a question of the presence of gas in the country, but the presence of ripened monopolists and their appetites, who do not see the coast recourse
        2. evil partisan
          evil partisan 4 November 2017 14: 26
          +4
          Quote: Vard
          pipes laid to the border three times more than necessary ... and they are dead weight.

          Even I have never seen an empty trunk pipe going to the West, which lies with a "dead load", although I "felt" almost ALL of these MGs from the existing ones (except for the Bovanenkovsky ones). Moreover: new threads are being built to the West, designed already for a pressure of about 100 atm. (even a little more). If you show me the place where the "dead cargo" lies on the Gazprom gas trunklines, I will be very grateful. hi
          By the way. There are only 2 directions of gas transport from Russia to Germany (not counting the joint venture): through Ukraine and through Belarus. There is a full load. And constant repairs of the linear part.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 07: 15
            +1
            Quote: Angry Guerrilla
            (except for the Bovanenkovskys)

            And I felt it)))
        3. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 4 November 2017 15: 03
          +1
          Vard. It all depends on the regional authorities. Tataria, Kirov region, Bashkiria - just take an interest in the cost and terms of connection. Here we have absolutely no hope for electricians - the generator sometimes does not turn off for two days.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 4 November 2017 13: 11
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      For comparison, we give the level of gasification of other states:

      For comparison, you also need to bring the area of ​​these countries compared to Russia. In some sort of Monaco laid a kilometer of pipes - 100% gasification
    3. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      For comparison, we give the level of gasification of other states:
      Armenia - 93%;
      Azerbaijan - 80%;
      Uzbekistan - 75%;
      Ukraine - 72%.

      Quote: Vard
      How is it that the great gas power did not provide its residents with gas?

      Probably because the "great gas power" provided gasification primarily to the "fraternal" Armenia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine and the Baltic states even before the heap.
      In vain, probably. We had to start with ourselves, like all the "normal" powers ...
    4. Dimachrus
      Dimachrus 4 November 2017 15: 16
      0
      Armenia - 93%;
      Azerbaijan - 80%;
      Uzbekistan - 75%;
      Ukraine - 72%.
      And now also specify - who, when and how many of these percent gasified !!!
    5. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 07: 08
      0
      Quote: Vard
      66,2%

      And this is% of what? Population, home ownership, prom. enterprises?
  16. Gennady Ivanyukhin
    Gennady Ivanyukhin 4 November 2017 12: 45
    0
    sorry gas then the people
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 4 November 2017 12: 49
      +3
      So take a pickaxe, get it. It’s so easy and free. And you will deliver in a backpack behind your back apparently.
  17. wot
    wot 4 November 2017 13: 09
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    Well, wait. Everyone was waiting for “Yaroslavna to cry” for sick children and pensioners. Do you copy Bulk leaflets here? I am a pensioner (non-working), my wife too. They never rummaged around in the garbage cans, just as your liberal brotherhood likes to moan, and did not stand with jars at the shops. We also help children with grandchildren.
    You live on Mars or the Moon, happy man good
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 4 November 2017 15: 13
      0
      Quote: wot
      Quote: Piramidon
      Well, wait. Everyone was waiting for “Yaroslavna to cry” for sick children and pensioners. Do you copy Bulk leaflets here? I am a pensioner (non-working), my wife too. They never rummaged around in the garbage cans, just as your liberal brotherhood likes to moan, and did not stand with jars at the shops. We also help children with grandchildren.
      You live on Mars or the Moon, happy man good

      What an idiotic question? Lech Navalny did not instruct your brethren how to react? I live in a country called Russia. And with all my heart I despise people like you liberoid, you are ours.
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    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 4 November 2017 13: 38
      +2
      And show at least one state that does not sell its "natural wealth"?
      In short, some feeble troll went ...


      Since Russia trades in natural resources and brainless resources, traded in Africa and Central Asia, there is nowhere else. Therefore, urapatriotic pruritus should be treated. This is not a reason for great joy. But the news that biotechnology is gaining momentum in Russia is very pleasing, God forbid, protect patents correctly and extract them yourself, and not through helping from behind a hill.
      1. Ugolek
        Ugolek 4 November 2017 13: 41
        0
        Now compare the area of ​​all these countries with the area of ​​Russia. We have many villages that are very far from civilization.


        And is this a serious argument for the first quarter of the 21st century?

        We rode the moon in the 60s ..
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 07: 21
          +1
          Quote: Ugolek
          And is this a serious argument for the first quarter of the 21st century?

          You can argue about a glass that is half full or empty. But the main thing is the trend: is the glass filling or empty? 10 years ago, gasification was 53%, today 68% and continues to grow. This is an argument.
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 4 November 2017 14: 03
        +2
        Quote: Ugolek
        Since Russia trades in natural resources and brainless resources, traded in Africa and Central Asia, there is nowhere else.

        So tell me! Teach! Put on the right path! How to trade it?
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 13: 47
      +3
      Quote: wot
      I can personally take photos for you in my city as they constantly sit at the store 5 ka

      Naive troll. Worthless.
    3. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 4 November 2017 15: 11
      +1
      Such beggars in Berlin sit and beg (I saw it myself), and in YouTube there are enough beggars and homeless former military personnel of the army (and not only the army) in the USA. What are your lamentations?
      1. marshes
        marshes 4 November 2017 18: 02
        0
        Quote: zadorin1974
        In Berlin, beggars sit and beg (he saw

        I myself have not seen such a thing, there is developed socialism, I travel regularly, relatives. But there are no homeless people, everyone was identified.
        I don’t believe that anyone is engaged in begging. Although I myself am skeptical about all of their socialism.
        The Germans do not serve, except for charitable societies and churches.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 4 November 2017 19: 06
          +1
          I went to friends before the Arab stream, before there were enough Turks and Albanians and Romanians (the gypsies and the pole will be gypsies) By the way, it was pretty decent in the Turkish region, I can’t compare it with our Maskvabad, now I honestly know only with words ..
          1. marshes
            marshes 4 November 2017 19: 24
            0
            Quote: zadorin1974
            I went to friends before the Arab stream, before there were enough Turks and Albanians and Romanians (the gypsies and the pole will be gypsies) By the way, it was pretty decent in the Turkish region, I can’t compare it with our Maskvabad, now I honestly know only with words ..

            Yes, I have had relatives in the North Rhine of Weistfalia since 1994, they can already be said to be indigenous. They have no disdain for the Turks, especially since they were early there and their house was built by the Turks in the 60s. And they are from Kazakhstan, and from the south and Fluent in the Kazakh language, and even better than I am an ethnic Kazakh, And they communicate freely with the Turks, moreover, they switch to Kazakh when they speak Russian, I basically do not approve of this.
            Sometimes it came to a comedic, the grandfather was taken out and he died and spoke Kazakh, he knew little Russian where they lived alone Kazakhs. And he didn’t die, he lived and died four more years in the woods, near roses.
            Funny, he had a medal for labor victory over Germany and his wife was Order of the Red Banner of Labor.
            I just found awards and certificates. When I was putting things in order in the attic of my mother-in-law's house, although I heard about it earlier. smile
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      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 4 November 2017 18: 27
        0
        wot appeared in topics as a former policeman with 20 years of experience wink
  19. wot
    wot 4 November 2017 13: 24
    0
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    Enchanting! Routine relations are not very friendly states. Just ... And bile, bile!

    and I’ll personally have bile all the time until they also begin to “talk” with the United States - the Foreign Ministry’s deep concern and the groans of Zakharova on broadcasts at Solovyov’s how to humiliate diplomats only laughing hi
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 4 November 2017 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: wot
      and I will constantly have bile

      Maybe you are liberoid yods, in the end you will choke on your bile and heart.
  20. wot
    wot 4 November 2017 13: 29
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    how your liberal liberal brotherhood loves to moan

    from the liberal brotherhood and hear hi that's who the country needs
    1. marshes
      marshes 4 November 2017 15: 21
      0
      Quote: wot
      that's who the country needs

      My mother was born in 1945, was born in the Mari ASSR, which she remembers — she didn’t eat up, walked in bast shoes, lived in a dugout. 47 grandfather put down a log house, of course I needed a “currency”, a moonshine solution. Good people reported, and they went to the settlement they gave 2,5 years to their grandfather in the Irkutsk region. In the first winter, the brother died, they left back in the spring. The grandfather took the benefit of his grandfather under his wing. And so there were 7 children in the family, whom I know was four. . And Khrushchev recalls with warm words, the beginning of socialism and Brezhnev, Chernenko-Andropov the end of socialism. Yes, she loves Nazarbayev. laughing What can drive and treatment anywhere to carry out, even trying to be lazy. smile Workaholic does not take away.
  21. sir_obs
    sir_obs 4 November 2017 13: 31
    0
    The depth of the Black Sea on the border of the exclusive economic zones of Russia and Turkey is 2171 meters


    Oh how the Ukrainians dug deep
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  23. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 November 2017 13: 43
    0
    Gazprom brings Turkish Stream to Turkish border
    - CLASS! I'm running for the bubble!
    - Wait a minute. And who pays for the banquet?
    ..........................................
    - I demand a continuation of the banquet!
    - Rinse off, the Tsar's face. laughing
    What I mean is that the closer the launch day, the higher will be the requirements, as they have, the face of the sun or moon-like?
  24. DMB84
    DMB84 4 November 2017 13: 54
    +3
    This is all great, hooray ... Sechin will get a little more denyuzhk, rejoice for him. But in general, how much gas is enough? Not endless stocks like, not renewable. Turks, Europe, who else? So rejoice, as if the money raised from the sale of gas. oil, aluminum and other minerals go to the development of the country, to the construction of factories, to retire pensioners ...... Naiveeeeee !!!!! And the fact that during the lifetime of the generation that was just born in the country, both gas and oil will end, and what is still buried there, we forget? (according to Gazprom, gas is enough for 50-70 years). And yes ... for the financial well-being of the top of Gazprom it’s getting calmer.

    PS If they had arranged the delivery of plasma panels and consumer electronics to Turkey, I would have been happy to have opened the second bottle ... And so I regret to see how the country's resources are gradually depleted.
    1. wot
      wot 4 November 2017 14: 22
      0
      You will not find any understanding here, immediately the "formidable" forum users will write to the liberals wink whether everyone who is scolding at the trough of Gazprom bully
      1. Ugolek
        Ugolek 4 November 2017 14: 26
        0
        So tell me! Teach! Put on the right path! How to trade it?


        How to trade? Very simple - a value-added product.
        1. Ugolek
          Ugolek 4 November 2017 14: 30
          +1
          PS If they had arranged the delivery of plasma panels and consumer electronics to Turkey, I would have been happy to have opened the second bottle ... And so I regret to see how the country's resources are gradually depleted.


          Here they stubbornly prove to us that this is not our way, only to drive gas and oil, in general, to sell off the remaining reserves of the Motherland.
        2. Gormenghast
          Gormenghast 4 November 2017 14: 51
          0
          Value Added Gas? belay This is LNG, which is significantly more expensive.

          And, by the way, NOVATEK has already sold LNG to China from the Yamal plant.
        3. You Vlad
          You Vlad 4 November 2017 18: 51
          0
          Quote: Ugolek
          How to trade? Very simple - a value-added product.

          You didn’t take me for that No.
          The theme was this:
          Quote: Ugolek
          Since Russia trades in natural resources and brainless resources, traded in Africa and Central Asia, there is nowhere else.
          And here you take me somewhere to the side negative
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 4 November 2017 15: 05
      +2
      Quote: DMB84
      According to Gazprom, gas will last for 50-70 years

      Gazprom has never voiced such stupidity. yes
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 November 2017 15: 56
      +2
      “They would arrange the delivery of plasma panels and consumer electronics to Turkey” - But this is a problem, but do they need this electronics?
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    5. NKT
      NKT 4 November 2017 18: 39
      +1
      Gazprom now has about 38 trillion m3 of reserves. These are proven reserves. Each year there is a natural decrease and an increase in reserves (new deposits and deposits are discovered). And by the way, gas is a renewable source. As an example to you - continuous degassing of magma.
      1. DMB84
        DMB84 4 November 2017 21: 21
        0
        Quote: NKT
        Gazprom now has about 38 trillion m3 of reserves. These are proven reserves. Each year there is a natural decrease and an increase in reserves (new deposits and deposits are discovered). And by the way, gas is a renewable source. As an example to you - continuous degassing of magma.


        That is, someone in this world began to milk developed deposits repeatedly? Curious. reference, please.

        And this ... how is it with volcanic activity in the areas of deposits? About degassing magma. And why, if that, in the suburbs there are no tangible gas reserves? Magma, she's like that, everywhere under her feet .... degassing, bastard ..... (maybe this is, "but the men don’t know!")
        1. NKT
          NKT 4 November 2017 22: 02
          0
          No, nobody began to "milk again." There are simply theories of the origin of SW: organic, inorganic, mixture. Gas is characterized by a third theory. Since methane is a product of the vital activity of organisms, as well as a product of degassing of magma, which migrates through the fault system in the earth's crust and when three conditions are fulfilled, a deposit appears.

          The gas output is constantly fixed, including from the bottom of the oceans (for example, the formation of gas hydrates). On land - remember the appearance of huge craters on the Yamal Peninsula. Well, the famous village of Darvaza (Turkmenistan).
          1. DMB84
            DMB84 4 November 2017 23: 22
            0
            Well yes ... that's right. But when we squeeze out all the deposits at home, dry, selling everything abroad to the glory of Sechin and Co., then how much do you think we need to wait. so far, according to any of the above theories, have we formed at least one new field?
            Just in case, let me remind you, our country, by the will of fate, is in such a climatic zone, where two-thirds of the year it is necessary to somehow warm the human body. Otherwise, a kayuk. where will our descendants get the heat from? Firewood is running out quickly (look at treeless Europe), renewable sources are nonsense, in fact this is the use of solar energy, if at a minimum, the population of our country must be reduced by several million times, otherwise there will not be enough for everyone. Well .. another way out is to grease and build a plague. Is imagination good? Imagine yourself in the middle of winter without the opportunity to warm up. Well, that is, you have neither gasoline, nor hot water, nor coal, nor firewood, and you are in a very cold city apartment on the 8th-9th floor .... January is the month. There is no electricity either, for the most part it is generated in cities at CHP plants that are heated by gas. Or do you think that hot water appears in the apartment "out of the pipe"? Well, that is, electricity and heating are things that are independent of certain natural resources and always exist? and .. if the gentlemen of physics have not yet figured out how to make a "cold thermonuclear", then there is a very serious chance that they will not have time in the future. Until the complete disappearance of the population from the face of the territory previously called the Russian Federation. Now Sechin is successfully trading in what our distant descendants should have basked themselves in. And for some reason this does not make me happy.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 23: 40
              +9
              Quote: DMB84
              ... if at a minimum to distribute, then the population of our country must cut several million times

              Chet you bent, straighten ...
              140 million divided by (one) million, how much will it be?
              And if it’s “a few million,” then ... it's scary to even request
              Quote: DMB84
              Now Sechin successfully trades in what our distant descendants should bask

              Ahem ... You, dragging one, also participate in the consumption of the results of the fact that Sechin is trading with something there. Only you prefer to be silent about this. Or worse, you don’t even know about it.
              1. DMB84
                DMB84 5 November 2017 08: 36
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Ahem ... You, dragging one, also participate in the consumption of the results of the fact that Sechin is trading with something there. Only you prefer to be silent about this. Or worse, you don’t even know about it.

                Well ... enlighten the illiterate. How is Gazprom's profit distributed and where is “our” part and how much is directed. Really curious. In numbers, please.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 09: 10
                  +8
                  Quote: DMB84
                  Well ... enlighten the illiterate

                  Ahem ... and why do I need it? The data is open, the Internet works for you, apparently ...
                  Quote: DMB84
                  In numbers please

                  Reminded:
                  Please give me a list of all the dishes you have ...

                  In the restaurant you will order from the Chaldean.
                  Here is a picture, check out. Sapienti sat.
                  1. DMB84
                    DMB84 5 November 2017 09: 33
                    0
                    Love, sir. The table shows taxes (VAT, income tax, etc.). Have you ever encountered bookkeeping in your life? How do profits hide, and how much is the state getting paid back? That is, about a ruble of income is half a penny of taxes. Well, yes, and thanks for that, master. One Sechin boat is proof of the size of the underwater part of the iceberg that floats into private pockets.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 10: 09
                      +8
                      Quote: DMB84
                      Love, sir

                      Nowhere and never. We recall where we started:

                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      You, dragging one, also participate in the consumption of the results of the fact that Sechin is trading with something there

                      Since Sechin is trading, Rosneft pays taxes, oddly enough.

                      The share of oil and gas in the budget is visible from the picture that I cited.

                      The budget is spent on the army, the police, health care, education and other ... What consumers you and I are, no doubt,

                      Quote: DMB84
                      Have you ever encountered bookkeeping in your life?

                      From time to time I come across ... the work is like that, you know.
                      Quote: DMB84
                      How do profits hide, and how much is the state getting paid back?

                      What side is this for bookkeeping?
                      Quote: DMB84
                      ... about a ruble of income half a penny of taxes ...

                      Gonevo ... unbend, another time already wink
                      Quote: DMB84
                      One boat Sechin - proof of size ...

                      To the "absolute" numbers (see the picture) of deductions "from Sechin" to the budget of the Russian Federation, this is your phrase ... yes, too - no sideways.
                      Wto something like that request
                      1. DMB84
                        DMB84 5 November 2017 10: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Gonevo ... unbend, another time already

                        Figures in the studio! As for the theory -..... Sechin’s boat was bought with personal money of Sechin himself, after paying personal income tax, pension and social insurance? Or carried out as a "low pricing", reducing the tax base of Gazprom?
                        Well and so on ... Again, "bent"? The third time ?
              2. DMB84
                DMB84 5 November 2017 09: 04
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Chet you bent, straighten ...
                140 million divided by (one) million, how much will it be?
                And if it’s “a few million,” then ... it's scary to even


                Well ... maybe he bent a little ... How many people of "elite" do we have there? That's enough for them, the rest are superfluous. Still probably on the service you need to lay some. The rest, alas, get ready, get used to the ground.
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                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 10: 18
                      +7
                      Quote: DMB84
                      Wind / solar and other energy involves gigantic areas ...

                      About "Wind / solar and other energy" you yourself first wrote ... and now pound about her alone, with perseverance worthy of a better application ... IMHO.
                      Hydropower - has someone canceled? Nuclear Power Plant - Has Someone Canceled? Other alternative, such as thermal-tidal and other power plants - also "religion does not allow"?
                      In short, this ... you like the "alarm" to shout - a flag in your hands.
                      But to write explicit garbage here - it’s not worth it, there are no high school students here ... well, almost none laughing
                      1. DMB84
                        DMB84 5 November 2017 10: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Hydropower - has someone canceled? Nuclear Power Plant - Has Someone Canceled? Other alternative, such as thermal-tidal and other power plants - also "religion does not allow"?

                        For non-schoolchildren ... The wind and other and other energy are all the same indirect energy of the sun - somewhere the air warmed up, the air masses moved, somewhere the water warmed up, it evaporated. spilled over into the mountains .. Well, you know all this, right? That the energy of the sun has a finite value, and that the earth gets is a very small amount, fixed and small.
                        I don’t throw up tantrums about “alarms”, but what is being done in the country in the sphere of real production is depressing. The collapse continues, the new is practically not being built, and the old goes bankrupt. The state distanced itself, although it should at least push the military commissar back. As a result, we sell fossils, not process them. You, as an employee of Gazprom, do not understand our universal grief about this.
            2. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 07: 50
              0
              Quote: DMB84
              Until the complete disappearance of the population from the face of the territory previously called the Russian Federation. Now Sechin is successfully trading in what our distant descendants should have basked themselves in. And for some reason this does not make me happy.

              And when was the coal supposed to end according to forecasts?
              1. DMB84
                DMB84 5 November 2017 09: 06
                0
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                And when was the coal supposed to end according to forecasts?


                Does it also diffuse from magma?
            3. NKT
              NKT 5 November 2017 09: 09
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              We can roughly assume how our resources will be exhausted. First we’ll finish skimming the fields on the continent, then there will be a shelf, then there will be a continent again, only shale, then we’ll go back to high viscosity oils and “previously depleted fields”, since we produce only 30% on average, and 70 remains (no technology), gas condensate - 50%. Then gas hydrates will come (in Japan they have already come).

              Therefore, oil is enough for us for about 150-200 years, gas for 300-500. What will happen in return, I don’t know, since oil and gas is not only fuel for cars and heating, it is also a chemical industry. About 1000 products are produced from oil and gas.

              Yes, and in spite of our enormous production, all the same, there are many of us for the resources that we have by comparing the SA, Qatar, etc. In terms of oil production, this is only 27 barrels per person, i.e. 8-9 tr per month, minus costs and taxes, get 2500 - 3000 rubles per person.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 07: 46
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          Quote: DMB84
          That is, someone in this world began to milk developed deposits repeatedly? Curious. reference, please.

          Romashkinskoye oil field. According to initial estimates, the recoverable reserves of the field amounted to 710 million tons of oil. However, today more than 3 billion tons of oil has already been produced here, and the field continues to be developed. Typically, when developing an oil field, the properties of the residual oil deteriorate, and its density and viscosity increase. However, the opposite effect was observed on Minnibaevskaya Square of Romashkinsky. In a number of wells, periodic decreases in the density and viscosity of oil to the initial level were detected. In other words, a “new” oil appeared in the reservoir. In addition, hundreds of inversion wells were identified in which a long-term decline in flow rates was suddenly replaced by their growth, which clearly contradicts the "law" of falling oil production.
          The development of an oil field in the Tersko-Sunzhensky district in Chechnya began in 1895, and by the beginning of World War II, due to the heavy flooding of wells, most of them were mothballed. A few years later, re-opened wells began to produce anhydrous oil. By the beginning of the 90s of the last century, wells were watered again and had not been operated for more than 10 years. With the resumption of production, production rates increased significantly, and part of the wells again began to produce anhydrous oil.
          1. NKT
            NKT 5 November 2017 09: 16
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            Everything is simple here - reservoir pressure was restored, the field came into equilibrium. This is observed both in the Krasnodar Territory and in Stavropol
          2. DMB84
            DMB84 5 November 2017 09: 23
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            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            A few years later, re-opened wells began to produce anhydrous oil. By the beginning of the 90s of the last century, wells were watered again and had not been operated for more than 10 years. With the resumption of production, production rates increased significantly, and part of the wells again began to produce anhydrous oil.

            The simplest conclusion is that not the whole egg was scooped out the first time. She stood, gathered cream on top. Oil, by the way, is lighter than water (if anyone did not know), water went down, oil rose. For 10 years.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 10: 20
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              Quote: DMB84
              water went down, oil rose. For 10 years

              But what didn’t “rise” at once, something prevented? wink
              1. DMB84
                DMB84 5 November 2017 10: 55
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                Quote: Golovan Jack
                But what didn’t “rise” at once, something prevented?

                Take at your leisure cubes of commercials one hundred thousand, mix with water. Pour into a container .... Look at how long the water will separate. Do you think it will stratify in a couple of days?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 10: 57
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                  Quote: DMB84
                  Take at your leisure cubes of commercials one hundred thousand, mix with water. pour into a container .... Look how long the water will separate

                  Ahem ... incorrect example, dear.
                  This oil, which “rose in 10 years”, was poured into the Lord God. And obviously not today, or even last year ....
                  She had time to get up, a quantum satis ... think about it, before carrying garbage again.
                  So the question remains:
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Quote: DMB84
                  water went down, oil rose. For 10 years

                  But what didn’t “rise” at once, something prevented?
                  1. DMB84
                    DMB84 5 November 2017 11: 31
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                    they scooped up the cream on top, the flooded part rose. Over time, the cream settled again. This is, if understandable language.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 11: 43
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                      Quote: DMB84
                      they scooped up the cream on top, the flooded part rose. Over time, the cream settled again. It if in clear language

                      Ahem ... for a million years it has not "defended", but here for some 10 years - suddenly everything happened ...
                      Count, I’m a physicist by education ... and what is an emulsion, not bad, believe me, I know.
                      There are no miracles (s).
                      In order for an emulsion that is stable for millions of years to suddenly coagulate by itself in 10 (years) ... does not happen (s).
                      About "pumped cream" is better not to say - these "cream" do not affect the stability of the emulsion. From the word "no way."
                      All. I once said goodbye to you (politely), I do it another time.
                      On the third - I will send. Nothing personal, just fed up.
                      1. DMB84
                        DMB84 5 November 2017 16: 45
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                        About the equilibrium system, did not occur? About the pressure gradient, a hundred meters? 10 meters = 1 atmosphere. If water props from below, squeezing this mixture up, it is not clear how it mixes with oil, the composition below will actually differ from that below. And ... physicists in general are aware that with increasing pressure the solubility of gases in liquids increases? Any methane there, propane, butane .... but just carbon dioxide ... Which also does not add vertical uniformity to the system. Well, if the hangover does not allow normal communication, the flag is in your hands, nervous you are our physicist ..
    6. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 07: 41
      +1
      Quote: DMB84
      And the fact that during the lifetime of the generation that was born in the country will end both gas and oil

      Why is that? "Is there life on Mars, is it ... science is unknown" (c)
      There is an alternative theory:
      The traditional view that oil is formed from the remnants of dead organisms is fundamentally wrong. He developed the theory of Mendeleev, and at the same time refuted the theory of the greenhouse effect. How is everything going? The carbon that enters the atmosphere is washed out of it by rains and with rainwater again falls into the ground in the form of bicarbonate. Along with the accumulation of carbon in the earth's crust in the interior of the bowels, powerful flows of hydrogen are released from the mantle. At high temperatures and pressures, chemical reactions occur, resulting in the formation of gases, including methane and drip oil. And what is especially surprising, this whole process takes place not in millions, but in just a few tens of years.
      So it was predicted that by the end of the 70s, hydrocarbons would be exhausted. So still not exhausted. And even cheaper. Moreover, in Chechnya, wells that were closed dozens of years ago will be mothballed due to complete production and oil from somewhere ... Or in Tatarstan, a number of deposits have been noted where all reserves have been recovered and oil production continues ...
      So scientists still will not come to a consensus: is it a renewable resource or not ...
      Who cares:
      http://www.ng.ru/ng_energiya/2016-02-09/14_oil.ht
      ml
      1. DMB84
        DMB84 5 November 2017 09: 21
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        Vladimir Georgievich Kucherov - Professor, Doctor of Physics and Mathematics, I.M. Russian State University of Oil and Gas Gubkin. (This is about an article in the "independent newspaper", our mouthpiece of advanced science. We generally have trouble with mathematicians, they start to fight with official archeology, then oil will form from the earth’s core and holy spirit. Mathematicians, well, what to take from them. ..
  25. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 4 November 2017 14: 48
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    Harnessed for a long time, but quickly ride. U "Gazprom"many sins (House-2, in particular, contains laughing ), but here I’m only "behind".

    At least 15 billion cubic meters from Ukria will be withdrawn.
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    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 4 November 2017 16: 01
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      Quote: wot
      bunny

      Son hi . It’s a sin to be offended even request . Surely wretched recourse . So: come on, what else do you have there, dump it yes .
  28. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 4 November 2017 16: 06
    +1
    The construction of the first string with a capacity of 15,75 billion cubic meters is expected to be completed in March next year, it is intended for gas supplies to Turkey. Second thread that the capacities by which gas will go to Southern and Southeast Europe should be built in 2019.
    Grammar and spelling errors on the VO site simply touches lol
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  30. Town Hall
    Town Hall 4 November 2017 16: 17
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    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Town Hall
    Well try to sell to the East

    And what about supplies to China through the "power of Siberia" you can object?



    Yes, there is nothing special. Besides that, the fields where gas is extracted for Europe are far from China. Because of this, a new field is being developed for the power of Siberia. Laying pipes to China through Siberia will pull tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars. All tens of yards of dollars invested in " European "pipes and borrowed will be thrown into the pipe.

    Well and another such insignificant fact that China is able to buy about 20-30 yards of gas cubes per year. And Europe buys about 150-180 yards per year.


    There are no difficulties, as you can see. In principle.
  31. Town Hall
    Town Hall 4 November 2017 17: 55
    +1
    79807420129,
    You’re a little off the mark. Gazprom’s gas contracts with European countries were concluded until about 2030. According to them, Gazprom undertook to deliver gas to the final consumer. So these are Gazprom’s problems, how to deliver and how to negotiate gas transit
  32. zloybond
    zloybond 4 November 2017 18: 34
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    One thing is not clear, what does the military review have to do with it?
  33. Town Hall
    Town Hall 4 November 2017 18: 36
    +1
    Piramidon,
    We’ll buy from them if necessary. We, as you put it, have a grandmother. And brains, by the way, too. Otherwise, there would be no money)

    By the way, in Algeria we buy gas. And in Libya. Here recently close to Egypt found huge reserves. And we buy there. Israel also found gas in the sea. They also want a pipe to Europe. There is a lot of gas where to buy. )
  34. alexhol
    alexhol 4 November 2017 19: 00
    +1
    All the joy of most members of the forum lies in the fact that "the neighbor’s cow died." Have you been holding a "stab in the back" for a long time? Even being in NATO, the predictability of the actions of the leaders of this country for the Atlantic bloc is always a mystery. The world is changing, "twirling the pipe" is becoming more and more difficult. Blackmailing with the supply of hydrocarbons is already a pretty rotten "club."
  35. wot
    wot 4 November 2017 19: 43
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    Quote: You Vlad
    wot appeared in topics as a former policeman with 20 years of experience

    Do you have doubts?
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 4 November 2017 20: 15
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      Quote: wot
      Do you have doubts?

      Yes, I have doubts, although I’m used to trusting people! Therefore, I don’t write that you were misleading.
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 November 2017 08: 02
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      Quote: wot
      wot appeared in topics as a former policeman with 20 years of experience

      Well now it’s clear why he complains about retirement. 20 years is the minimum length of service - 50% of the corresponding amounts of cash allowance; for each year of service over 20 years - 3% of the amount of cash allowance, but not more than 85% of these amounts.
      1. wot
        wot 5 November 2017 12: 48
        0
        kites have flown up, all watch out, who has a different opinion, immediately the flock flies, but complaints complain laughing change nickname and well, all of you in the bath hi love
  36. wot
    wot 4 November 2017 21: 37
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    Quote: You Vlad
    Yes, I have doubts, although I’m used to trusting people! Therefore, I don’t write that you were misleading.

    you just read the previous comments and made conclusions for yourself, articles on various topics appear on different topics, each has its own point of view, and when some citizens began to be rude and stigmatize, then I'm sorry ... epaulets now don't put pressure, you can respond to rudeness rudeness, bosses now scare the possibility of such "comrades" do not, but believe me, there were quite a few .... hi
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  38. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 10: 43
    +7
    DMB84
    Quote: DMB84
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Gonevo ... unbend, another time already

    Figures in the studio! As for the theory -..... Sechin’s boat was bought with personal money of Sechin himself, after paying personal income tax, pension and social insurance? Or carried out as a "low pricing", reducing the tax base of Gazprom?
    Well and so on ... Again, "bent"? The third time ?

    Quote: DMB84
    Figures in the studio!

    Ah, smartie !! good
    First blurt out about “half a penny from the ruble” (arrived, I understand?) Taxes, and then demand a refutation, “with numbers”!
    You can see the bird by litter ...
    Rosneft, a respected state-owned company, works a whitewash a priori. There, if such tricks pass, then ... it is unlikely that they "pass" there, in short.
    Look for numbers to confirm the ravings voiced by you yourself, I repeat, I am not Chaldean for you.
    Sechin’s boat was bought with Sechin’s personal money ...? Or carried out as a "low pricing", reducing the tax base of Gazprom?

    Without the slightest idea what exactly this “boat” was bought for.
    Spend $ 180 million as little value ... mdya ... I want the same grass laughing
    The source of information "about malotsenke" give, if not scrap. You yourself didn’t come up with this, someone obviously told you wink
  39. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 11: 24
    +7
    DMB84
    Quote: DMB84
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Hydropower - has someone canceled? Nuclear Power Plant - Has Someone Canceled? Other alternative, such as thermal-tidal and other power plants - also "religion does not allow"?

    For non-schoolchildren ... The wind and other and other energy are all the same indirect energy of the sun - somewhere the air warmed up, the air masses moved, somewhere the water warmed up, it evaporated. spilled over into the mountains .. Well, you know all this, right? That the energy of the sun has a finite value, and that the earth gets is a very small amount, fixed and small.
    I don’t throw up tantrums about “alarms”, but what is being done in the country in the sphere of real production is depressing. The collapse continues, the new is practically not being built, and the old goes bankrupt. The state distanced itself, although it should at least push the military commissar back. As a result, we sell fossils, not process them. You, as an employee of Gazprom, do not understand our universal grief about this.

    Ahhhhh ... well, they would say so right away ...
    You started with “descendants who will have nothing to warm up”, because the evil Sechen sells oil to the West.
    On the way, they came up with "wind energy", without which one can not do without it. And they proposed to reduce the population of the Russian Federation "several million times" belay
    Then we ran into this "wind-driven" one, as, excuse me, beren into those gates ... forgetting about hydro, nuclear and others.
    Now they have already switched over to the ruined and bankrupt industry. What does it have nothing to do with the topic, but ... we must at least say something, right? wink
    To the garden, dear, to the garden ... to discuss with you the "ships plowing the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater," I am not interested in a grain.
    Quote: DMB84
    ... to you, as an employee of Gazprom ...

    Ahem ... and where did you get the idea that I was a Gazprom employee? They decided to troll me? Here you definitely will not shine, believe me.
    I’m grieving you to the impossibility - I’ve been working mainly in IT consulting for 15 years now, you won’t lure me into Gazprom - I don’t like “shovels”, and big ones especially negative
    All. Goodbye .. connoisseur of solar energy laughing
    1. DMB84
      DMB84 5 November 2017 16: 33
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      Yes, I somehow did not stuff friends. Ek, you got a little fuss. Didn’t the day go by?
  40. Cop
    Cop 5 November 2017 12: 29
    +1
    "
    Gazprom has completed the construction of the Turkish Stream offshore sections in Russia, the first line of the pipeline has entered the exclusive economic zone of Turkey, according to South Stream Transport BV (Gazprom’s subsidiary, which is involved in the construction of the pipeline).

    It would be better if this news tells you how much the Pioneering Spirit vessel costs, what it costs to rent this vessel to a Gazprom daughter, and most importantly who finances all this. I just want to exclaim: "Whose money is Zin .....".