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Is Lithuanian economy pulling "Independence"?

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Before the end of the lease term by the Lithuanian company Klaipedos nafta, the liquefied gas storage terminal remains even more 6 years old, however, Lithuanian experts are already wondering what to do next with Independence. The main reason for the concerns is that in Lithuania they still calculated how much the economy costs LNG and the rental of a giant ship. And the calculations showed that the cost of liquefied gas clearly reduces the level of economic development and does not give an opportunity to expand the scope of production activities.


Informational portal Delphi cites the opinion of experts who say that in the next quarter of a century Lithuania should not rely on alternative energy sources. The fact is that international analytical institutions showed a forecast of growth in the level of gas consumption in the world until 2040, at least.



From the statement of the former Deputy Minister of the Republic Romas Shvedas:
Loud statements, discoveries in the field of renewable energy should not deceive us that this is actually very progressive, modern and fashionable. On the other hand, the reality of life shows that we must guarantee the industry the supply of energy.


The statement says that LNG supplies and rental of "Independence" will become more and more expensive. That is why Vilnius places great hope on the implementation of the project of a link with the Polish gas pipeline in 2021. In fact, we are talking about the readiness to purchase Russian gas, which continues to be the most competitive type of fuel in the market of Eastern Europe. In Lithuania itself they are trying to announce that the republic will buy gas from “European partners”. Repetition of "Ukrainian Peremog"? ..
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  1. Jedi
    Jedi 4 November 2017 09: 19 New
    39
    Stupid lovers trample a rake, and not only their own, but also strangers. But the owner licked. The name of the terminal ship is symbolically “Independence”. Just some kind of black humor. lol
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 4 November 2017 09: 27 New
      36
      They thought they would give them a medal for this feat, they would give gas for free in the edification of an intractable Europe, and they would also make a lot of sales. They thought that the main thing for America in Russia was to create muck, but it won’t pay anyone like anyone to sell gas ... laughing
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 4 November 2017 09: 31 New
        24
        And after all, they still do not understand that the United States “threw” them as the last loshpedov. Maybe one of the neighbors will tell them? laughing
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 4 November 2017 09: 38 New
          18
          Quote: Jedi
          And after all, they still do not understand that the United States “threw” them as the last loshpedov. Maybe one of the neighbors will tell them? laughing

          But how did the neighbors know that you can stupid to such an extent ... laughing And then they were silent, although there is a reason to laugh, otherwise their life is not very funny in Europe lately.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 4 November 2017 09: 39 New
            15
            Yeah, but here is such an occasion to neigh - it seems to be easier for ourselves. wassat
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 4 November 2017 10: 48 New
              13
              Those who are in the chairs of leaders - get loot. They have enough. As a result, residents of the country pay for gas.
              Everyone understands everything, but the leaders are on a salary and they have a cold poker, and the residents vote for independence from Russian gas and they have a crazy mind.
              Idyll! lol
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 4 November 2017 10: 51 New
                +8
                Rather, it’s "D.E.B.I.L.L." laughing
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov 4 November 2017 10: 01 New
          +9
          Quote: Jedi
          And after all, they still do not understand that the United States “threw” them as the last loshpedov. Maybe one of the neighbors will tell them?

          Why they don’t understand, they even understand very well, but orders in the countries of “democracy” are not discussed and no one needs a second opinion.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 4 November 2017 10: 04 New
            +8
            Quote: Pirogov
            orders in countries ,, democracy ,,, are not discussed and no one needs a second opinion.

            This is not democracy, but dictatorship. wink
            1. Lganhi
              Lganhi 4 November 2017 21: 08 New
              0
              Since the mattresses say that democracy means democracy! Over in Saudi Arabia, democracy. But in Russia there is no democracy.
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 4 November 2017 22: 29 New
                +4
                I do not consider Americans to be gentlemen to take their word for it.
                1. Lganhi
                  Lganhi 5 November 2017 02: 38 New
                  0
                  And they don’t need to be believed at all. Anyone who objects to it will be sent to the US Navy and bombarded with bombs.
        3. Fedorov
          Fedorov 4 November 2017 10: 16 New
          10
          A man comes to the doctor and says:
          - Make me an American!
          The doctor replies:
          “Okay, just for this we have to remove half the brain.”
          - I agree!
          An operation has been completed, the doctor approaches the patient and says:
          - Sorry, we mistakenly removed not half the brain, but the brain
          entirely.
          - Nieko, nieko, man ir taip gerai! [Nothing, nothing, I feel good!]
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 4 November 2017 10: 18 New
            +7
            Strong! Good joke. laughing drinks
        4. weksha50
          weksha50 4 November 2017 10: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: Jedi
          Maybe one of the neighbors will tell them?



          Duc ... There, surrounded by smart neighbors, it is not visible ... laughing
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 4 November 2017 10: 20 New
            15
            Quote: weksha50There, surrounded,
            smart neighbors are not visible ..

            This can be taken as an insult - Belarus also neighbors Lithuania. negative
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 4 November 2017 13: 02 New
              +3
              Quote: Jedi
              This can be taken as an insult - Belarus also neighbors Lithuania.


              Hey Hey !!! Belarus-Belarus and its people I did not mean! request
              Unless ... Old Man sometimes shies away in his external affairs ... recourse
              But Butska is not the whole of Belarus ... hi
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 4 November 2017 13: 10 New
                +5
                Yes, I didn’t think that you were rolling a barrel to Belarus, they simply expressed it ambiguously. hi drinks
        5. Kent0001
          Kent0001 4 November 2017 17: 46 New
          +1
          And the neighbors are also like suckers, current in other directions.
        6. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 5 November 2017 02: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Jedi
          And after all, they still do not understand that the United States “threw” them as the last loshpedov. Maybe one of the neighbors will tell them? laughing

          why don't they understand ??? they understand ... it’s just that the people there are in slavery and cannot voice it ... and the leadership of these countries just stands there with the goal of selling slaves and themselves somehow more advantageously !!!! wassat wassat laughing laughing
      2. Spnsr
        Spnsr 4 November 2017 14: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: NIKNN
        they will be given a medal for this feat

        With a spin on the back! They will also twist it so that it hangs confidently, does not hang out, tight so, and they will tear the thread!
    2. Logall
      Logall 4 November 2017 09: 28 New
      25
      Quote: Jedi
      Stupid lovers trample a rake

      Max, there is a solution:
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 4 November 2017 09: 30 New
        11
        They will complain to you for such a decision at the ECHR. lol But I like the thought. good
        1. Logall
          Logall 4 November 2017 09: 34 New
          15
          Quote: Jedi
          I like the thought.

          Still would! This is the same way to get rid of a headache! Moreover, both with them and with us ...
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 4 November 2017 10: 19 New
            +7
            Quote: Logall
            Still would! This is the same way to get rid of a headache! Moreover, both with them and with us ...


            Here is the entot apparatus ... from the picture ... we would have installed in the Duma and the government ... It would have been very good ...
    3. PalBor
      PalBor 4 November 2017 12: 56 New
      +2
      Evil hunchback dwarfs won't even fix the LNG grave. fool
    4. CAT BAIYUN
      CAT BAIYUN 4 November 2017 13: 33 New
      +4
      Just some kind of black humor.

      Not .. Not black .. Striped .... laughing
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 4 November 2017 13: 38 New
        +5
        I didn’t take into account the specifics of the US flag ... Hi! hi
        1. CAT BAIYUN
          CAT BAIYUN 4 November 2017 13: 44 New
          +4
          Good day, Sasha .. hi
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 4 November 2017 13: 46 New
            +5
            Vasya, I woke up in the morning like Maxim ... wink
            1. CAT BAIYUN
              CAT BAIYUN 4 November 2017 14: 00 New
              +5
              Gosspodi .. Sorry ... That I talked with Alexander today ... A thousand apologies, Max sad
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 4 November 2017 14: 02 New
                +5
                Everything is normal, I understand who you confused me with. drinks
  2. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 4 November 2017 09: 19 New
    24
    I gloat and see nothing wrong with that. Eat a full hat, the brakes are frozen.
    1. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 4 November 2017 09: 39 New
      17
      Quote: iliitch
      I gloat and see nothing wrong with that. Eat a full hat, the brakes are frozen.

      I join ...! All bypassing, my wife bought sprats yesterday, I can’t stand them, I threw them into the bin (I immediately remember the insolent eyes of the Baltic states from childhood when I was traveling)
      All again in the feudal system ..! There they are a holy fool .. negative
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 4 November 2017 10: 21 New
        +9
        Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
        Yesterday my wife bought sprats. I can not stand them, I threw them in the bin.


        My wife loves them, but I have long taught to buy Leningrad or Kaliningrad ... Because the Baltic ones are also thrown into the garbage chute ... negative
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 4 November 2017 11: 08 New
          +6
          You should have seen how sprat, sprat, prices soared in Kalin.obl. The collective farm "For the Motherland" has set prices for products, at times ... All to Russia !!! Well, at least half the area, anglers. Yes, and while there is a fish wink Who cares, type "catching herring in Baltiysk." And so, yes, the "forest brothers" were hit, better off, of the Turks with tomatoes ... Yes, there is a riot there, no one really needs it .. Population 40 ++.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 5 November 2017 02: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
        All again in the feudal system ..!

        it seems that not all proballs existed during the feudal system !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing
    2. figwam
      figwam 4 November 2017 10: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: iliitch
      I gloat and see nothing wrong with that. Eat a full hat, the brakes are frozen.

      I agree, they should drink their cup to the bottom, and then look at their behavior.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 4 November 2017 10: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: figvam
        and then look at their behavior.


        And to hell to watch? Half the country at the Balts scattered, the rest are going. The second time to rebuild something to these boobies? Yes they went.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 November 2017 09: 22 New
    13
    And the calculations showed that the cost of liquefied gas clearly reduces the level of economic development and does not make it possible to expand the scope of production activities.
    Congratulations. And at the design stage could not count? And of course, Sovkovskaya culture and norms are not acceptable.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 4 November 2017 09: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And at the design stage could not count?

      Could and counted - everything is fine, the bank account of Gribykusayte is increasing.
  4. andrewkor
    andrewkor 4 November 2017 09: 24 New
    +2
    Poor, poor Lithuanians, does starvation of mind come about? And all the former ministers immediately become so smart!
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 4 November 2017 09: 24 New
    11
    Lithuanians decide with LNG in Europe to compete with countries on Russian pipe gas fool Good luck misfits laughing
  6. Dezinto
    Dezinto 4 November 2017 09: 27 New
    +7
    Goremyki, ........ why didn’t Ukraine even figure out how to get such a vessel !?
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 4 November 2017 10: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Goremyki, ........ why didn’t Ukraine even figure out how to get such a vessel !?


      Probably not climbing through the Bosporus. And then these used in the forefront.
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 4 November 2017 10: 45 New
      +1
      Banderlog wanted, even hoped, BUT !!!! There were already agreements for the southern stream (through Turkey, with the possibility of Erdagan to ban our gas, immediately the question arose about the safety of the passage of gas carriers through the Bosphorus (maybe ours hinted?)
    3. pvv113
      pvv113 4 November 2017 10: 56 New
      +4
      Ukraine does not have money for its fleet, but then take someone else's for rent wink
  7. izya top
    izya top 4 November 2017 09: 31 New
    +2
    "independence" had to be repainted immediately yes otherwise the trolls were painted in the colors of the flag of Russia recourse
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 4 November 2017 09: 35 New
    +4
    Well, as an option to quickly go peace, you need to build two more terminals, and rent three gas carriers at once, and the Stone Age will again come to Lithuania in a maximum of a couple of years! !!!
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  10. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 4 November 2017 09: 48 New
    +3
    There is still a way out, switch to alternative gas, eat more peas and produce gas ourselves.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 4 November 2017 09: 51 New
    +4
    I would give them another electric cable from the USA thrown across the ocean, let them rejoice and praise the Americans!
    Here the Germans just don’t pay us ....... t, but they will sell the gas pipeline, build it and will be the EU gas hub. And they will tell such deer what to do, otherwise .......
    1. Stas Snezhin
      Stas Snezhin 4 November 2017 19: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      I would give them another electric cable from the USA thrown across the ocean, let them rejoice and praise the Americans!

      Well, you, in our time, modern Balts carry electricity with batteries ..))
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 5 November 2017 09: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Stas Snezhin
        Well, you, in our time, modern Balts carry electricity with batteries ..

        But how nice it is to realize that you are buying energy from the USA !!!!
  12. thinker
    thinker 4 November 2017 09: 53 New
    +2
    These hedgehogs have cacti for breakfast, lunch and dinner. More about energy
    DELFI visited INPP and looked at how reactors that used to cover Lithuania what the specialists working there do. The report of the INPP General Director Daryus Yanulyavichyus said that the entire project is planned to be completed in 2038 .... The State Audit Office of Lithuania, which recently submitted a report on the INPP, indicated that 1,66 billion euros are not enough to complete the work.
  13. 1536
    1536 4 November 2017 09: 55 New
    11
    3 lives in Lithuania with a small million people. It is all together: children, the elderly, the disabled, the able-bodied population. This is the largest Baltic "state". The USSR, represented by the then ruling CPSU at that time, left untold wealth in these territories with which a sane person, his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, if he disposed of this wealth wisely, could live comfortably for 1000 years, prosper and teach others how to live . But, alas, this wealth was plundered, destroyed, launched in the wind by the citizens of these neoplasms themselves, moreover, with the invitation of their many foreign relatives who were hungry for looting from the 1945 year. And now we can say, well, what do you want from this territorial formation with a population of only 1 million more than the state of Lesotho, located inside the Republic of South Africa? But we want only one thing - that people live peacefully there and do not get on the nerves surrounding their rogue antics. This is precisely what is missing on the shores of the Baltic.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 November 2017 23: 20 New
      +3
      Only half a million people live in Luxembourg. But income is over $ 100,000 a year
      per person. There are 5 million people in Singapore. The income is 53,000 per person. Wealth and standard of living are not related to the size of the territory and population.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 5 November 2017 00: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Wealth and standard of living are not related to the size of the territory and population.
        There is probably a connection, it’s easier for a small country to manage, a bigger country is more difficult, but income does not depend, for example, Israel and Qatar ..... although this example is not all the same .....
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 5 November 2017 02: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: 1536
      3 lives in Lithuania with a small million people. It is all together: children, the elderly, the disabled, the able-bodied population. This is the largest Baltic "state". The USSR, represented by the then ruling CPSU at that time, left untold wealth in these territories with which a sane person, his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, if he disposed of this wealth wisely, could live comfortably for 1000 years, prosper and teach others how to live . But, alas, this wealth was plundered, destroyed, launched in the wind by the citizens of these neoplasms themselves, moreover, with the invitation of their many foreign relatives who were hungry for looting from the 1945 year. And now we can say, well, what do you want from this territorial formation with a population of only 1 million more than the state of Lesotho, located inside the Republic of South Africa? But we want only one thing - that people live peacefully there and do not get on the nerves surrounding their rogue antics. This is precisely what is missing on the shores of the Baltic.

      the whole problem is Nazism ... as practice has shown, it "dries up" the entire area where it is ripening ... especially if it is ripening as "evil to the neighbor" !!! depending on the degree of aggression of this very Nazism, it carries out its destructive functions at different rates ... pro-Baltic and Hohland are an example !!! in the first case, it was in a soft form, and mowed the pro-Baltics at an average pace .... in the second case, it bloomed with a double color over the past three years and during that time it thoroughly knocked out the country of Svidmya !!!
  14. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 4 November 2017 09: 57 New
    +8
    Brain independence. laughing

  15. Fedorov
    Fedorov 4 November 2017 10: 04 New
    +3
    Like this
  16. bald
    bald 4 November 2017 10: 12 New
    +1
    Shit when they deceive themselves.
  17. weksha50
    weksha50 4 November 2017 10: 16 New
    +6
    "Vilnius has great hope for the implementation of the project of linking with the Polish gas pipeline in 2021".

    What a stupid thing ... To buy Russian gas, but somehow not Russian, but having been in the hands of other "owners" ...
    Well, I can understand someone's Russophobia in the political aspect ... But when this Russophobia manifests itself in the economic aspect, it is already a clinic of insanity ...
    Well, I just can’t imagine myself, in spite of my mother-in-law, I froze my ears ... request
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 4 November 2017 10: 17 New
    +4
    If they didn’t try to abandon their past, they would remember Russian wisdom ... “a hen over the sea, a ruble transported” ... Ukrainians are able to afford it, the same gas and coal are proudly bought at an inflated price ... and they are especially praised and supported in this by those who earn on this ... their Western vehicles for democracy.
  19. XXXIII
    XXXIII 4 November 2017 10: 19 New
    +3
    Vilnius has great hope for the implementation of the project bows with the Polish gas pipeline in 2021. In fact, we are talking about readiness to acquire Russian gas, which continues to be the most competitive type of fuel on the Eastern European market.
    Russian gas will definitely not be cheaper, but it will save on costs and the price will increase from year to year, a lot of intermediaries want to sit down on the pipe ..... Germany is not just ramming itself into Nord Stream-2, it wants long-term deliveries and big ones .... Also, Lithuania will have to look for money to connect with the Polish pipe, then still get the required volume, otherwise the pipe capacity is also limited ..... So they can also be left without gas from the Russian Federation or bought from resellers. .... They drove Lithuania into a mousetrap, she take and slam the economy ..... yes
  20. Bare
    Bare 4 November 2017 10: 29 New
    +1
    It remains only to prepare the pan for the size of the headdress, or to purchase in the EU or the USA.
  21. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 4 November 2017 10: 30 New
    +2
    No industry - no gas needed. This is the way the Balts should go (and it seems that they are moving in this direction).
  22. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 November 2017 10: 31 New
    +2
    The repetition of "Ukrainian peremog"? ..

    So they copy each other’s economic “feats” and just as the village fool rejoices at the simple icon, they also rejoice at the American “help” in the energy sector.
  23. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 4 November 2017 10: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Jedi
    Quote: Pirogov
    orders in countries ,, democracy ,,, are not discussed and no one needs a second opinion.

    This is not democracy, but dictatorship. wink

    This is the dictatorship of shit democracy! laughing
  24. Slon_on
    Slon_on 4 November 2017 10: 58 New
    +4
    And why are they crying - this is the “freedom” for which they fought so hard, eat to your health.
  25. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 4 November 2017 11: 00 New
    +1
    Needless to say, Lithuanian leaders are not smart. Very smart! But what kind of passport do they actually have in their home safes? I do not say it, did not see it, but there is still an opinion. It is based on the betrayal of these interests of Lithuania and the people of Lithuania in favor of the uncle across the ocean. And he is kind to such cases, he will pay for everything. Recall the frauds on the sale of Mazheika Nafta (refinery) to this uncle. And this LNG terminal in Klaipeda is precisely a scam on a global scale. And where did the chicken go that she carried the golden eggs in Visaginas? In her burial, Chicken - Ryabu! Not to say in a fairy tale or describe with a pen what kind of things are happening on the shores of the Baltic.
  26. vasilkovichi
    vasilkovichi 4 November 2017 11: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Jedi
    And after all, they still do not understand that the United States “threw” them as the last loshpedov. Maybe one of the neighbors will tell them? laughing

    Why "threw"? Is it, the price of American gas was not known to them? Bylo. Just wanted to show off to the RF. Well, and to show off.
  27. Ustin Umarov
    Ustin Umarov 4 November 2017 11: 36 New
    +2
    Baltic extinctions.
  28. Ustin Umarov
    Ustin Umarov 4 November 2017 11: 40 New
    +2
    here I look at them and their dead-blooded friends, that I wonders I wondered what would win: Russophobic cockroaches, corroded Muscovite or stomach?
  29. rudolff
    rudolff 4 November 2017 11: 45 New
    +3
    Everything in Lithuania is not so catastrophic as we like to talk about it. Economic growth began in 1994, and from the beginning of the 2000s already explosive growth.
    in 2000 - an increase of 4,1%
    in 2001 - an increase of 6,6%
    in 2002 - an increase of 6,9%
    in 2003 - an increase of 10,3%
    in 2004 - an increase of 7,3%;
    in 2005 - an increase of 7,6%;
    in 2006 - an increase of 7,5%;
    in 2007 - an increase of 8,7%;
    in 2008 - an increase of 3%.
    Then the crisis and in 2009 - a decline of 14,8%.
    Further growth again. Though not at such a pace, but nonetheless.
    in 2010 - an increase of 1,4%;
    in 2011 - an increase of 5,9%;
    in 2012 - an increase of 4%;
    in 2013 - an increase of 3,3%;
    in 2014 - an increase of 3%;
    in 2015 - an increase of 1,6%;
    in 2016 - an increase of 2,3%.
    Our sanctions certainly hit the economy, but they didn’t lower it. So it’s too early to bury Lithuania, they live on their own slowly.
    1. fox_rudy
      fox_rudy 4 November 2017 12: 31 New
      +5
      Just do not forget about EU subsidies, which are about to stop !!!
    2. bratchanin3
      bratchanin3 4 November 2017 12: 56 New
      +9
      Rudolph, the growth of the economy in the Baltic states since 1994 began with the beginning of Russia's deriban. All metal, both ferrous and non-ferrous, was transported through the Baltic ports. A lot of factories with the latest equipment were sawn. All smuggling and all crime went through the Baltic dwarfs. You still say that per capita GDP is growing, after a third of the population has left, you are our economist.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 4 November 2017 13: 55 New
        +2
        I am not an economist. And I’m not saying that everything is fine there. They have problems above the roof. But giggling, relying only on such articles, is stupid. Their standard of living will be higher than Russian. Vtorchermet, tsvetmet drove through the Baltic in the 90s. In the 2000s, this is no longer. Yes, there is transit and transshipment of goods, there are subsidies from the European Union, well, who survives as they can. We do not allow oil and gas to die, they have geography. As for population decline ... Imagine for a moment that we have visa-free travel with Europe and equal rights with Europeans. Work, education, social sphere in place, choice of place of residence. How many will rush for a better life in this very Europe? Youth, so without exception, probably. How they live there was an opportunity to see with their own eyes recently. They do not fatten, but no one dies of hunger either.
        1. bratchanin3
          bratchanin3 4 November 2017 14: 24 New
          +4
          In order for the people to live, they must produce and sell. Factories, factories, nuclear power plants and power generation facilities have been stopped and destroyed, even the largest locomotive plant in Europe has been stopped. Milk and cheese in China and South Africa today are not profitable, Russian tourists were kicked out, what kind of property could be sold to Swedes and Finns. Due to what people can live - at the expense of subsidies, as you modestly put it. But these subsidies end in 2019 and the FSE! Yes, with seams in transit too soon, they even close the power line. In short, the Baltic states are a European impasse. Even the Silk Road, the Chinese plan past a dead end. But at the expense of young people, such as Mara (Shmar) in Russia there is still no place. And without exception, this is from another opera.
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 4 November 2017 15: 03 New
            +2
            Do you know how much the minimum wage is in Lithuania? 380 euros. Minimal! Just think it over. The European Union will never let the Baltic states bend. If Greece was dragged out, then these dwarfs would not even sweat. And do not forget that they are all energy carriers (gas, oil, coal, now and electricity) from the very beginning of the 90s are bought at market prices. Without any discounts, unlike the same Belarus. Russia pulls out Belarus, the European Union to the Baltic states.
            1. bratchanin3
              bratchanin3 5 November 2017 10: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: rudolff
              Do you know how much the minimum wage is in Lithuania? 380 euros. Minimal! Just think it over.

              Do you know how much a communal apartment costs in Lithuania? How much are other services, gasoline, urban transport, electricity, and other delights of modern life ?? And Greece was pulled out of the dictatorship of the Black Colonels as a carrot-lure for future suckers - members of a future European project. And today it is clear that this "project" is bursting at the seams, and the zombie suckers-members can not part with this carrot. Even you, dear, this carrot is confusing.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 4 November 2017 18: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      Everything in Lithuania is not so catastrophic as we like to talk about it. Economic growth began in 1994, and from the beginning of the 2000s already explosive growth.

      Well then, please deduce the dependence of the country's success in the economy and the rate of demographic catastrophe.
      Ja nedzims, izmirsim: demogrāfs prognozē, cik gadiem vēl pietiks latviešu
      http://www.la.lv/ja-nedzims-izmirsim/
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 4 November 2017 18: 49 New
        +1
        This is not so much a demographic catastrophe as a migratory one. People are leaving in search of a better life. The phrase you quoted is a statement of the Riga demographer and does not refer to Lithuania, but to Latvia in a 100-year period. I read something similar about the Russian population as part of Russia.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 4 November 2017 19: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: rudolff
          This is not so much a demographic catastrophe as a migratory one.

          You contradict yourself. On the one hand, everything is fine there and the economy is growing more than in Russia and the migration crisis is there, but is it still good?
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 4 November 2017 20: 04 New
            +1
            Do not distort. Here is what I wrote above: "... I’m not saying that everything is fine there. They have problems above the roof," "they don’t eat, but nobody dies of starvation either."
            Their standard of living is higher than in Russia, but lower than in Estonia and Poland, not to mention Western Europe. In search of a better life in Europe, they go. Not to Russia. Fortunately, there is no border, without problems employment, education in any educational institution. This is a problem throughout Eastern Europe and the problem will continue until the standard of living, wages are at least approximately equal. I do not defend these Baltic republics, they are a breeze to me, I just say that it is too early to bury them. No one there dies of starvation or poverty.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 5 November 2017 09: 36 New
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              Quote: rudolff
              Their standard of living is higher than in Russia, but lower than in Estonia and Poland, not to mention Western Europe. In search of a better life in Europe, they go. Not to Russia. Fortunately, there is no border, without problems employment, education in any educational institution. This is a problem throughout Eastern Europe and the problem will continue until the standard of living, wages are at least approximately equal. I do not defend these Baltic republics, they are a breeze to me, I just say that it is too early to bury them. No one there dies of hunger or poverty

              The Lithuanian worked for us and left for his homeland. I am all a patriot, a house with a garden, a piece of land, almost a planter, a nationalist in a word. And then we find out that he works in Europe. But there is no work at all in the country. You have to pay for a house, for land, for heating, and here his patriotism has waned away.
              Also a lover of teaching values
              That level is higher only due to the allocation of EU funds for structural reforms, it is a bloated economy. The transition period will come to an end soon and we will compare the levels for one. Remember Greece was pumped up too, the trolley bus driver received 5000 Euros, but not for long
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 November 2017 12: 54 New
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      Estonia develops best of all three. They took up software, Internet development, and Cyber ​​security. This is a very promising topic.
      The worst of all is Latvia.
      Lithuania is in the middle. Lithuania pulls Poland with which they
      active trading and joint business.
  30. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 November 2017 11: 46 New
    +2
    Yes, they are with Ukraine right brothers in mind ...
    And soon they will stop supporting them, so they generally
    learn Russian songs again.))
  31. Sergei75
    Sergei75 4 November 2017 11: 54 New
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    The less hydrocarbons will be purchased from us - the better, we need to move, and so we will sit and not blow in our mustache.
  32. Going
    Going 4 November 2017 12: 38 New
    +9
    In Lithuania itself, they are trying to announce that the republic will buy gas from “European partners”. The repetition of "Ukrainian peremog"? ..


    Everything is in spite of Russia, so now it’s soon and there is no one to consume gas, production has been curtailed, the population in Europe is looking for somewhere to earn extra money.
  33. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 4 November 2017 12: 47 New
    +1
    Yeah, not even a year has passed since the Lithuanian fascists counted. So they will remain for 6 years.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 5 November 2017 03: 01 New
      0
      In Latvia, we are switching to biomass (wood chips), but somehow it is not pulling for progress. Just for trying to hold out as long as possible. no
  34. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 4 November 2017 13: 32 New
    +4
    alternative sources, it really is
    very progressive, modern and fashionable

    Only in order for there to be a real "exhaust from them" you need to invest at least 25 years of commercials in them, systematize their work, accounting, etc. .... The Germans quite figured this out for themselves, but also for that to get 25% of the alternatives from the total, you need another 15 years to engage in subsidizing, popularizing and investing in infrastructure ....
    And in Lithuania, it’s all from the category of entertaining and cutting euro grants ...
    They did not have and will not have alternatives to gas from the Russian Federation ... Now they will be shaken and will take gas from Euro partners at inflated prices ....
    Pergalė, fuli talk here laughing
  35. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 4 November 2017 14: 32 New
    +1
    "The main reason for the concern is that in Lithuania they still calculated how much the economy costs LNG and the rent of a giant ship. And the calculations showed that the cost of liquefied gas clearly reduces the level of economic development and does not allow expanding the scope of production activities."
    Russophobia is expensive, but worth it.
    And with a?
  36. Vasily Ivanovich_2
    Vasily Ivanovich_2 4 November 2017 19: 03 New
    0
    “In Lithuania, they are trying to announce that the republic will buy gas from“ European partners. ”“ At the molecular level, they will filter out Russian gas from the European mixture and let only European gas into its territory.
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 4 November 2017 20: 23 New
      0
      The propanbutane mixture is somewhat different from natural methane)))))) Therefore, they won’t work out fucking .... (prof. Sarcasm .....) It’s easier for them to produce gas hydrates ..... d, b!
  37. 23424636
    23424636 4 November 2017 20: 19 New
    +3
    Lithuania, as an artificial entity in the lands of East Prussia and the Courland province of Russia and the Polish lands, should erect a monument to Stalin in the amount of the Colossus of Rhodes and sing a song “Soviet Ordinary Man” in Russian in Russian instead of the anthem at 6.00:XNUMX a.m.
  38. valtom
    valtom 4 November 2017 22: 58 New
    0
    crap one's pants well let them go what they have))))))))))))))
  39. protoss
    protoss 5 November 2017 01: 53 New
    0
    For many years now I have heard how the whole Baltic states are bent without the USSR. in 2015 traveled to all three countries, positive impressions. outwardly, everything is quite safe, I did not look into the wallets of the Baltic states, but did not notice the devastation. and judging by the fact that non-citizens are not in a hurry to Russia from there, even they do not live so badly.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 5 November 2017 02: 53 New
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      If we compare 1993 and 2017, it became noticeable shortage of people on the streets! My acquaintances working behind the "hill" have become noticeably more acquaintances remaining in Latvia!
      but he didn’t notice the devastation. and judging by the fact that non-citizens are not in a hurry to Russia from there, even they do not live so badly.
      So I do not live badly! Competitors have long gone to Europe. crying
      Here only one question poisons life: and who will earn me a pension?
  40. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 5 November 2017 02: 51 New
    0
    Russophobia is now expensive!
  41. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 5 November 2017 04: 24 New
    0
    There is money, pay !!! . The trouble is that the rulers are woeful and crawl into the pocket of the people in favor of the Obkom "friends."
  42. Abel
    Abel 5 November 2017 12: 26 New
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    Is Poland a gas supplier? This is cool, but familiar. Poland has always made and sold counterfeit products: French cognac from Lodz, French perfumes from Warsaw, American cigarettes from Krakow