Property tax - cadastral scam of the century

A grand scandal has now broken out in Russia. Citizens of the country are surprised, amazed, outraged. Until now, they still cannot understand how state services charge them a property tax. Assessment of a small house in the suburbs can be in the hundreds and hundreds of millions of rubles.

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[raid14]

The answer is in Nosov’s book, “Dunno on the Moon,” but using the example of Mikhail Malakhov, quoting here is more expensive.
The book "Dunno on the Moon", published in 1965, is not included in the list of the Ministry of Justice, as it is prohibited for publication.

[ICT]

Quote: raid14

not included in the list of the Ministry of Justice,

Jelsomino's "magic voice," kill the dragon,

our king is kind, and the ministers are all blisses

[ICT]

here it is ....

[your1970]

echo ho ..
The people, as usual, do not know, but they start screaming right away about bad power ...
I'll tell you about the earth (the houses are a bit not mine):
1) Do you have to pay taxes? It is necessary! The tax on the cadastral value of the land plot is from 0,1 to 0,3% (the framework is tight - the Tax Code) is established by the decision of LOCAL authorities (the specific amount in the area is -0,1-0,2 -0,3%) - for all the land we originally owned by the municipalities. Goes exclusively to the local budget. Property taxes are paid by the whole world, they do not contradict the Constitution, are established by the Tax Code ..
2) Cadastral value:
a) I hope no one will argue that the cost of a house with land of 700 sq.m. in s. Zhukovka / Rublevka and with. Augustowka of the Saratov region (from where it is 50 meters to the Russian-Kazakh border) is slightly different. Like the different demand for these houses - 100 bucks for a house in Zhukovka is the norm, and for 000 rubles you will be sold half of the Augustowka houses and still be wildly grateful that you paid at least something. For my character, I would pay Augustans only for the fact that they live there. The cadastral value is not market, of course, but close to it. Due to the fact that the valuation is no less than cadastral quarters - the cost of land on the main street and in the backyards in the middle of the landfill can be the same - a quarter is one
b) The cadastral value is easily disputed. Yes, it will have to be a little confused. If the cost of your site is a million - you have a tax of 1000 to 3000, then it makes no sense, but if it is 10-20-30 million ... - then yes (but such sites are not found among average citizens). Each entity in the Rosreestr Administration has (and quite tightly) commissions on this issue. There are no technical problems to find out everything you need, everything is on the Rosreestr websites. Each year, a sufficiently large number of people reduces the COP of their sites. In court only in extremely rare cases, in my memory, in the field of 3-4 cases a year, no more. The reduction is influenced by the absence of paved roads and all other benefits of civilization, industrial enterprises and other delights of civilization ....
3) and why did this question arise? but from the fact that we still have NOT DECIDED ANYTHING AT ALL approximately 20% of houses and approximately 30% of land. The Land Code obliging to do this has been working since .... 2001. 16 years(!!!!!).....
And the people will roll their eyes out and “Why should I make out land? To pay taxes? SHCHAZ !!!” The tax, of course, not paid AT ALL. Then when the elderly parent / owner dies and it turns out that there are no documents on the land at all - the same people roll their eyes and squeal that: "Nobody told us !!! we will not buy the land !!" and other horrors, including about the fact that some corrupt officials sold their land ...
Until 08.03.2015/500/XNUMX The fine for the use of land without a proper right was for individuals - XNUMX (!!!!) rubles ..... Now it is equal to 5000 (Article 7.1 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation) - but for the vicinity of cities - this is not money in principle ....
That's something like ...

[Cossack 471]

And because people do not draw up land and property. that in farms the cost of housing is comparable to the cost of registration. Yes, you still have to run. And people think like this: when I built my house, the state did not help a single ruble. and with what fright should I pay for my private home? The state withdrew from the sale of housing. not a single state notary .-. And private notaries charge% for the execution of the transaction. For example, with a house worth 2 million rubles -3% -60 rubles. As if they were involved in the construction and they are entitled to a share. . It looks like a legitimate racket.

[your1970]

Notarial agreements - exclusively with equity participation. They were introduced only last year. They were NOT obligatory for more than 10 years.
If you are one owner, a fairly simple writing form, which can even be a third-year student of law school
In the USSR, there was a criminal article for the seizure of land and it’s sharp, there was really an article in the Criminal Code
Well, again, if you do not pay taxes to the local budget, then there is nothing to expect from municipalities for improvement.
Something like this...

[your1970]

once upon a time when declaring, there was an obligation to provide copies of the contract to customs certified by a notary ... a representative arrived with a contract and to a notary (I was present on duty)
-It is necessary to certify a copy of the contract.
-well, 6% of the transaction amount
- details tell for listing
- why?
we have a contract for 120 million bucks accordingly, you have 7 bucks, the company will transfer to your account .... Where are you ????
Went on sick leave - before the departure of the wagons and the representative (a copy was brought from Moscow - closer no one undertook to notify from notaries, they took 120 of the total rubles at a tariff). Where she was hiding - the people never recognized , for the tiniest mistake for such grandmas would have a snack and that's it

[Bulrumeb]

And this does not look like legalized racket, this is it

[your1970]

Quote: Bulrumeb

And this does not look like legalized racket, this is it

- the state can exist only in one single case - if it is able to raise money for its existence, and by any means. Otherwise, the collapse of the state is very fast ..
That is why taxes / duties are prescribed in all codes.
About the size of taxes abroad, about non-payment - as one of the worst crime - I will not remind you abroad ...
Everything is easier - no taxes - no budget - no army .....

[Bulrumeb]

That is why taxes / duties are prescribed in all codes.

namely, that taxes and duties, but a notary does not deduct tax and duty in any way

[vandarus]

In Moscow every year we go the way Assessment-cadastre-court. Our illiquid section, sandwiched between a landfill with two power lines and a gas pipeline, is estimated at 730 million with a market value of 130 million. Individuals in Moscow (I personally saw this requirement) for a 3-room apartment of 75 meters calculated the cost of 42 million. What’s it tell me

[your1970]

Quote: vandarus

In Moscow every year we go the way Assessment-cadastre-court. Our illiquid section sandwiched between a landfill with two power lines and a gas pipeline is estimated at 730 million at a market value of 130 million

- what is the question? are you not happy with the procedure? are you not ready to sue? There are probably no other ways in your situation -BUT я NOT in Moscow and NOT I know the reasons for the recurrence of your lawsuits ..
You own property worth at least 130 million even in NON-LIQUID form - i.e. You also have a legal department, there is someone to carry documents on the courts. Do you order an examination every year? I don’t argue costly, but again I don’t know your nuances. In regions, revaluation of land plots no more than once every three years, increases by a little usually .Maybe in Moscow every year, I don’t know. Here, the issue of individuals was discussed

Quote: vandarus

An individual in Moscow (I personally didn’t see this requirement) for a 3-room apartment of 75 meters was estimated at 42 million. What can I say?

- I’ll tell you the truth: it’s quite possible, moreover, the market value may be the same. Judging by the emergency housing in Moscow - the whole city center is waiting for someone to come and buy their emergency - but a terribly prestigious shack somewhere within 1- 2 km from the Kremlin. And those who are farther away are in favor with the hands and feet “FOR”.
In the early 2000s, a friend was offered 500 bucks for a 000-room apartment in a Stalin decent house in the Shabolovskaya-Akademicheskaya district. At the rate of about 4 lyam. And it was quite far from the center by that standards. For that money in Saratov at that time it was possible to buy about 14 apartments in normal houses and at least 20 in new buildings.
Moscow - it is very different from the rest of the country and it lives according to its own laws.

[vandarus]

"Moscow - it is very different from the rest of the country and it lives according to its own laws" -That is what we are talking about here! And it’s not even the laws, but the thirst for budget revenues at all levels.
I Moscow apartments with a market value of 42 million rubles. did not see. Maybe somewhere on the Arbat, and that is unlikely .... And the apartment I mentioned is located in a panel of 9 floors in Yasenevo.

[Vard]

What do you want ... already now tax revenues exceed revenues from the export of oil and gas ... So brace yourself ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vard

... now tax revenues exceed revenues from oil and gas exports ...

Go read and write ... before it's too late

[Cossack 471]

Some deputy from the food of Russia is developing a law on that. so that they could not challenge the cadastral value of housing in court. If they adopt such a law. then consider it missing. Even single pickets are prohibited. DPRK catching up pretty fast

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Cossack 471

Even single pickets are prohibited

What kind of nonsense? Try to read at least the constitution ...

[Elijah1969]

The constitution and real life in our country are not at all the same thing, unfortunately.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Elijah1969

The constitution and real life in our country are not at all the same thing, unfortunately.

Of course, it’s not the same thing, especially if during the “pickets” the roads are blocked or the transportation hubs are blocked, or else they break or spoil the public order. Then good masked uncles quickly arrive and politely ask to leave.
ps The degree of politeness is inversely proportional to the size of your inadequacy

[Cossack 471]

Pirate Tell about the constitution to farmers from the Krasnodar Territory. who tried to get to Moscow on tractors (not otherwise seen enough how this happens in Europe) and what came of it.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Cossack 471

... tried to reach Moscow on tractors ...

I suppose, on caterpillars ... in barbarians
They told you, then, then you said - nonsense:

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

Quote: Cossack 471

Even single pickets are prohibited

What kind of nonsense? Try to read at least the constitution ...

They told you right.

As for farmers on tractors - blocking federal highways, as far as I know, is not directly prohibited. But certainly not welcome.
And this is also correct.

[Bulrumeb]

the fact of the matter is that they calculate the cadastral value by picking their nose, well, or elsewhere. For example, my plot and the neighbor’s plot are absolutely identical in location and size, there’s only a fence between them, but my plot’s cadastral value is THREE times cheaper than that of the neighbor

[your1970]

the assessment is based on cadastral quarters, and if the quarter passes along your fence, then the COP may differ by more than three times.
For this, the procedure for updating the cadastral value is provided.

[would]

As one smart person wrote

"Citizens of the Russian Federation - this is oil that will never run out and will not fall in price. It can be squeezed to the skin with any international conjuncture."

[unignm]

the site is turning into trash !!!!!! What side does this infa relate to military review?

[zadorin1974]

The site has been at its peak since the age of 13! Look at the publications of 11-13 and now. Previously, it was nice to even discuss with the Professor, but now you can’t export it with your fellow citizens either. By the spring it’ll get worse-Elections! I recall an old joke (dear admins -Well, it’s impossible to remove, the meaning is lost-
The Lord calls the butler-Harry, what kind of noise on the street is Sir, the blue are protesting there, fighting for their rights, Harry, but does anyone bother them, No sir, Why are they shouting to Harry? -Rear-wheel drive Sir!

[ICT]

Quote: zadorin1974

Rear Wheel Drive Sir!

I will manage
fagot
true meaning at the end of the video

and the anecdote sounds more authentic

[zadorin1974]

Admin removes, although requested

[ICT]

Quote: zadorin1974

Админ

robot machine ((c) a woman removed the machine put )

[nesvobodnye]

The site turns into trash only in your and in my head. From the point of view of the administration, and they seem to welcome the liberals, the crybaby-crybaby, everything is in order with the site.
Even an outright lie based only on emotions does not require evidence here, it is perceived as reality.
The site has become full of crap, I don’t look at it already, I draw military news from the Global Adventure, and economic and political news from Afteshok.
And then let this swamp rot, it’s not a pity already.

[citizen242]

Urya patriots are not happy?
No one to threaten, no enemy

[SMP]

If the truth was such a statement by the Central Bank that they learn about the growth of the Russian economy from the media, then external management must be introduced into the Central Bank itself, and all Central Bank employees at the time of verification against a non-departure subscription, with all the consequences and the inability to leave the country.

Liberasts formed in Russia real feudalism on a clan basis, so that people would not be called a brawl, they were called market economies.

[Navoi.openw.ru]

We keep people who are brazenly robbing us, and at the same time we cannot influence the lawlessness that is repairing us, their actions are legalized in the working order - the situation is brilliant.

[Belarus is Russia]

Quote: unignm

the site is turning into trash !!!!!! What side does this infa relate to military review?

How what? Unlawful overthrow of power or popular rebellion against power or against traitors or against the opposition.

[SMP]

How what? Unlawful overthrow of power or popular rebellion against power or against traitors or against the opposition.

A curious analogy to your post.

Quote: HOW SELLED THE USSR
http://www.specnaz.ru/articles/209/27/1988.htm

CERTIFICATE OF PRINCE SHCHERBATOV

Boris Yeltsin, who performed the subordinate role in the “bundle”, understood that the “putsch” gave him a rare opportunity to end Gorbachev. Unfortunately, Boris Nikolayevich, trying to throw Mikhail Sergeyevich out of big politics, at the same time, he also said goodbye to the Union without regret.

And again, it should be recalled Gorbachev’s treacherous behavior in a situation where Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich, meeting in Viskuly, announced the termination of the activities of the USSR as an international entity.
This now speaks of the legitimacy of the statement adopted by the "troika". And then the conspirators knew perfectly well that they were committing a crime and met precisely in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, in extreme cases, on foot to leave for Poland.
It is known that after Viskuley, Yeltsin was afraid to appear in the Kremlin to Gorbachev. He was sure that he would give the command to arrest him, but ... Mikhail Sergeyevich preferred to let the situation take its course. He was satisfied with the situation of the collapse of the USSR, since in this case the probability of bringing him to justice for the crimes committed disappeared.
Earlier, I wrote that during this period Gorbachev was not thinking about how to preserve the Union, but about how to provide himself with a deficit for the future: food, drinks and shelter. It is no coincidence that the long-term security chief of Mikhail Sergeyevich, General of the KGB, Vladimir Timofeevich Medvedev, aptly emphasized that the ideology of survival was the main ideology of Gorbachev.
Unfortunately, then many of the Soviet political and military leaders tried to secure a material backlog for the future. In this regard, we should talk about how in 1991, Americans were at the root buying up the Soviet elite, helping Yeltsin to come to power. I will cite the testimony of Prince Alexei Pavlovich Shcherbatov (1910-2003) from the Rurikovich clan, president of the Union of Russian Nobles of North and South America.

On the day of the “putsch” Shcherbatov flew to Moscow from the USA to attend the congress of compatriots. The prince set out his impressions of this trip.
in the memoirs titled “Most Recent History. The first trip to Russia.
By the will of fate Shcherbatov was in the thick of the events of August 1991 of the year. As an influential American citizen, he had direct access to the US ambassador to the USSR, Robert Strauss, who was a very informed person. The prince, who remained a Russian patriot at heart, was acutely worried about the events of August 1991. Therefore, he was interested in everything related to them.
In the article published by the popular Orthodox newspaper Vera - Eskom (No. 520), Prince Shcherbatov said: “... I tried to find out more details of the preparation of the coup. And in a few days he clarified something for himself: the Americans, The CIA spent the money through its ambassador to Russia, Robert Strauss, using his connections to bribe the military: the Taman and Dzerzhinsky airborne divisions, which were supposed to go over to Yeltsin’s side.. Big money was received by the son of Marshal Shaposhnikov, Minister of War Grachev.

Shaposhnikov now has an estate in the south of France, a house in Switzerland. I heard from George Bailey, a longtime friend of mine who worked for the CIA for many years, that the amount allocated to the USSR amounted to more than one billion dollars.

Few knew that in 1991 there were special aircraft at Sheremetyevo Airport under the guise of diplomatic cargo, money was delivered, they were handed out in packages of 10-, 20-, 50-banknote banknotes to government leaders and the military. These people were subsequently able to participate in privatization. Today it is a well-known fact.

The former delegates of the Shatagua conference participated in the coup: General Chervov helped distribute money among the military, one of the directors of the Banks Trust Company, John Crystal, as I learned, spent the money received from the CIA through his bank. It turned out that if Soviet officials were given good bribes, then destroying the Soviet Union would not be difficult. ”

It remains to add that the conversation of the journalist with Prince Shcherbatov, who was called "the man-legend of Russian history", took place in New York, in a house in Manhattan, in the summer of 2003.

Few knew that in 1991 special planes delivered money to the Sheremetyevo Airport under the guise of diplomatic cargo, they were handed out in packs of 10-, 20-, and 50-bill banknotes to government leaders and the military. These people were subsequently able to participate in privatization. Today it is a well-known fact.



Here is how to know this information, to open a Yeltsin center ???

Quote: unignm
the site is turning into trash !!!!!! What side does this infa relate to military review?

Why sit in the trash? If you think so? Likely the person likes ...

[SMP]

Shaposhnikov now has an estate in the south of France, a house in Switzerland. I heard from George Bailey, a longtime friend of mine who worked for the CIA for many years, that the amount allocated to the USSR was more than one billion dollars

under the guise of diplomatic cargo, money was delivered, they were handed out in packages of 10-, 20-, 50-banknote banknotes to government leaders and the military. These people were subsequently able to participate in privatization. Today it is a well-known fact.

These are now the Russian elite, oligarchs, owners of factories and parades.

Few knew that in 1991, special aircraft under the guise of diplomatic cargo delivered money to Sheremetyevo Airport

The current situation in the country is called financial occupation, and why doesn’t TV show this?
And whose interests are the current authorities protecting?
And whose power is it?
Many questions......

[serge siberian]

Nabiulina wants to privatize state-owned banks and subsequently defeat them. She simply has a plan of 600 left for today 300. Those that are stronger on their feet are banks supported by the state. But they prevent liberties from paralyzing the country's economy. Well, Sberbank is among the strong. That year, in 2008, one of the ministers of the time said there was nothing to privatize already. Maybe the laws on privatization have already been changed quietly again?

[your1970]

You must have left Russia a long time ago and don’t know that we have NO state banks, NO at all ... Sberbank with state participation, no more than a long time joint-stock commercial bank

[serge siberian]

APB he is called, the nose of state support, in the course. Not paradoxically, but did not leave Novosibirsk for 30 years.

[Vladimir1155]

this tax must be abolished as contrary to the constitution and the right to housing

[Damask]

Thanks to Putin for our very happy life

[Aleksandr_5]

Quote: vladimir1155

this tax must be abolished as contrary to the constitution and the right to housing

And contrary to common sense, with which the leadership has long been not friends!

[Belarus is Russia]

Quote: SMP

Here is how to know this information, to open a Yeltsin center ???

The Yeltsin center needs to be turned into the center of traitors, thieves and bandits of Russia Russian Orthodox. Where they will tell the story of the betrayal of Russia Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox. And about the traitors. Thieves and bandits. "PR" will be forever with them , bad PR.

[They <b>accompany you</b>]

While everyone squeals about “Matilda” and “bury Lenin” EVIL devours people like cancer