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The best form of protection for armored vehicles

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Companies Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and the Armored Research and Development Center are working together on the initial integration of the modular active defense system into the M1 Abrams tank of the US Army


Protection technologies for combat vehicles are being developed in accordance with the requirements of the military for active protection systems and a reduction in the total mass with the aim of gradually avoiding the common practice of installing heavy armor plates.

Not so long ago, the crews of armored vehicles depended only on the strength of the armor surrounding them, but as modern platforms become increasingly digital - various sensory and network capabilities are increasingly used - the military can now receive an additional level of protection, which could not be achieved with armor alone.

Effects of the agreement

For the ground forces, the traditional idea of ​​protecting their vehicles was to ensure sufficient reservation levels (passive and dynamic) that could withstand the effects of kinetic-type projectiles, a blast wave, and artillery shell fragments. For NATO and partner countries, this meant meeting the highest standards of protection, often referred to as the 4569 Standardization Agreement (STANAG).

This view was reinforced by the conviction that if the car had obvious vulnerabilities to certain attacks — as is the case with several types of armored vehicles in Iraq and Afghanistan that continually ran into improvised explosive devices (IEDs) —– then the solution is to add reservations. level of protection. For example, during the Iraqi conflict, the booking of Hummer armored vehicles (HMMWV) of the US Army was significantly strengthened in an attempt to protect crews from deadly roadside mines.


Armored car "Hummer" with enhanced armor

Recent wars in the Middle East, including Iraq, Syria and Yemen, have also made it necessary to pay special attention to the threat posed by a new generation of ATGMs, the combat units of which are capable of breaking through the armor of even the most modern main combat tanks (MBT).

Indeed, the experience gained in recent conflicts has forced the army to seriously strengthen the armor protection of their vehicles. However, this entailed an increase in the total mass of machines beyond the limits of reasonable - tanks have now reached the mark of 70 tons - which in turn affected the mobility of the machines (the platforms themselves, as well as the corresponding equipment) and component wear.

Knowledge is power

While reactive and passive armor retains its key role in protecting people in the car, and is likely to retain it for a long time in the future, many armies around the world are increasingly paying attention to alternative defenses that sensors use. (including day / night cameras, laser and ultraviolet radiation warning systems, Doppler radars and acoustic detectors), electronic architecture, advanced countermeasures and networking capabilities that help exchange and information about potentially dangerous threats with the rest of the combatants.

The emphasis today is not only on protecting the crew of the vehicle at the moment when the attack has already begun, but also on preventive measures that could warn the crew and other military personnel who are not exposed to immediate danger before its commencement. This would allow the crew of the vehicle to properly plan and execute either a tactical retreat or a counterattack on the enemy’s position.

An example of how such a concept unfolds in the real world is the Scorpion program of the French army. As part of this ambitious program, the army will initially deploy two new machines — the Griffon 6x6 and the Jaguar 6x6 — along with the recently developed Contact-based programmable radio station Contact and the Scorpion Combat Information System (SICS) battle management system, which will greatly enhance operational management capabilities.

The Griffon machine currently undergoing tests uses an electronic architecture that allows data from several sensors to be combined into a single information flow and presented to the commanders of the machines. Integrated sensors include the Thales Antares Optoelectronic Station, which monitors the environment to increase levels of security and situational awareness, and also warns of laser irradiation.

“You have an overview of the 360 ° terrain on one screen ... You can detect the fact that the enemy is pointing the laser at your machine, the device determines the laser signature, what kind of enemy, and from what direction the beam is directed. And in joint combat, you can pass on this information and determine the best way to destroy the target, ”explained Sebastien Renard, director of the Scorpion program at Thales.

Information collected by Antares about the possible location of the enemy can then be transferred to other units and commanders using SICS. The station may also determine the launch of a missile from an anti-tank complex, although the French army has not yet been contracted for this function. Another sensor installed on the Griffon armored vehicle is the Metravib PILAR V shot detection system, which, like Antares, will show enemy positions for the crew and its units.

Countermeasures

Along with improved detection quality, increased digitization provides more effective deployment of countermeasures. Traditional systems are smoke grenades, fired from launchers installed along the perimeter of the hull and tower, at a time that the commander considers the most appropriate. Currently, the industry offers systems in which the manual deployment process of human countermeasures is supplemented or even in some cases already replaced by an automatic one. Lacroix, a well-known manufacturer of optical-electronic suppression systems for armored vehicles, including grenades with multispectral compounds, is also considering the possibility of integrating intelligent functions, for example, by adding warning systems.

“We have upgraded the system and now it can interact with the laser irradiation warning system,” said a Lacroix representative. “This system is capable of warning about the attack of means of destruction with laser guidance of all types, for example, laser-guided missiles, as well as laser designators.”

Information from the sensor system is then transmitted to the control unit, which automatically issues a signal to launch grenades in the direction of the threat. Lacroix’s Galix complexes with laser warning systems have already been deployed in an unnamed country in the Middle East.

These features may well be added to existing vehicles in order to increase the levels of survivability and crew protection. In Poland, for example, the local industry proposes upgrading the protection of T-72 tanks and the deeply modernized PT-91 tank (based on the licensed version of the Soviet T-72М1). It can include the 3 generation dynamic protection system and lattice armor, as well as the Obra-3 laser warning system (pictured below) from the Polish company RSO and a set of all-round cameras.



A representative of Bumar-Labedy, a Polish company in charge of upgrading, said that Obra-3 sensors would be connected to the jamming system in order to make the most effective use of smoke and masking compounds.

The main concern, when it comes to adding additional sensors and active protection systems, is in order to properly integrate them into the existing design and not have a negative impact on the capabilities of the machine, especially the existing on-board electronics. One more difficult task is not to go beyond the weight and size and energy-consuming restrictions.

To this end, the British Ministry of Defense and the Laboratory for Defense Science and Technology (DSTL) launched the Icarus program, which could help determine the requirements for the machine architecture, in particular for the integration of active protection complexes (KAZ) and optical-electronic countermeasure complexes (CEP). These active protection systems (SAZ) are becoming increasingly popular, including China, Israel and Russia.

At DSEI, which took place in September in London, it was announced that Leonardo will lead the Icarus Technology Demonstrator Program (TDP) industry group, which will develop ways to integrate low-cost “best” technologies for active protection systems. Part of the Icarus program will be the demonstration and evaluation of the work of a prototype during the shelling of its military means.

“It is very important that we approach this process methodically and systematically,” said Crispian Beattie, Lead Engineer, Leonardo Land & Naval Defense Electronics. - The program will implement our approach to existing systems, which will allow us to develop a kind of standard for layout and integration solutions. Everything we do is based on the best design solutions. ”

Indeed, the main goal of the Icarus TDP program is to create a modular integrated electronic architecture of the MIPSEA (Modular Integrated Protection System Electronic Architecture) protection systems, which will allow "selecting, integrating and deploying the necessary sensors and actuators of the AES to neutralize a variety of existing and future threats."

Beatty explained that the TDP program will include research in 14 specific areas that cover “all colors, sizes and shapes of the program”. He added that the demonstration may take place at the end of this decade, but the type of machine is not determined due to the nature of the program. “The whole point is that it is modular and universal, and this is not by accident,” said Beatty. “We have to be sure that the components of the target system, the objects of deep integration into the machine, are scalable and modular.”

The best form of protection for armored vehicles

Rafael's KAZ Trophy should be installed on all Namer Israeli Army heavy armored personnel carriers

Modular projects

In 2016, the British DSTL laboratory also issued a contract to Xineyq for $ 9 million for Qinetiq SAZ for armored vehicles. In accordance with the three-year contract, known as the Medusa Technical Assessment Program, a joint SAZ assessment will be organized. Special attention will be paid to the multifunctional active protection system MUSS (multifunctional self-protection system) of the German company Hensoldt and how it can be integrated into platforms such as the Challenger 9,5 MBT.



Close view of three components of the Airbus D & S Muss system: an infrared silencer at the top, sensor blocks along the sides of the turret and a grenade launcher

MUSS, currently deployed in the German army, is a COEP, which can effectively suppress the homing head of modern missiles or put smoke or aerosol curtains.

Works similar to those conducted by the British under the Medusa Program are carried out in the American Army. There, this program is abbreviated MAPS (Modular Active Protection System - modular SAZ). The work is led by the Armored Research and Development Center (TARDEC) together with the Research Development Command (RDECOM).

A statement by the US Army states that "MAPS work is the army's basic strategy for SAZ, which aims to remove barriers associated with deploying such a system, by introducing a modular and secure design that will lay the foundation for adaptable capabilities that can be integrated into any platform."

The army announced in August that the initial general MAPS scheme had been released. The scheme is aimed at standardization of development and the possibility of modernization of the SAZ, as well as the development of subsystem technologies used in ground machines.

In April, 2016, RDECOM conducted the first physical tests of SAZ. According to the army, the demonstration of the work of CEP allowed the developers of the program “finally to reconcile the software and systems”. The companies Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and TARDEC worked together to complete the initial integration into the M1 Abrams tank for which the Lockheed open-architecture processor and the sensors and actuators from Northrop Grumman were used.

A TARDEC spokesman said that “we await the release of the first version of this SAZ, which will include everything that has been achieved since the start of the theoretical research and the release of the beta version of SAZ in February 2016. Carrying out integration work in the last 16 months, we laid the foundation, used three different approaches to SAZ work and showed, using the modular principle, the first continuous sequence of destruction, from issuing a signal to neutralizing the threat. ”

The advantage of using components of SAZ, which are based on a modular architecture, is that they can be developed independently and quickly integrated, which will save time and money. This can also help ensure that the army does not become hostage to one supplier, there will be more competing players in this sector and, as a result, more innovative ideas.

Along with this long-term, forward-looking SAZ program, the US Army is also studying ready-made systems on different types of combat vehicles. This procedure includes the quick installation of the SAZ on the M1 Abrams tank, the Bradley BMP and the Stryker 8xXNNX wheeled armored personnel carrier. It is reported that the army is "very close" to the decision to deploy SAZ on the machines of these classes after conducting a series of tests.


The BME CV90 from BAE Systems with two integrated Iron Fist launchers developed by IMI Systems was shown at DSEI 2017

Valuable protection

Perhaps the most famous SAZ tested by the US Army is the Trophy, originally developed by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems for installation on the Merkava tanks and the Namer heavy armored personnel carriers of the Israeli army.

Trophy system is a complex of active protection, which among other things increases the level of situational awareness. It exists in two configurations: HV-MV for heavy and medium armored vehicles and LV for light armored vehicles. Trophy can neutralize the cumulative and high-explosive threats that fly up to the carrier platform.

The system neutralizes the threat in four stages: the definition of the threat; escorting a threat; activation of the means of destruction; and neutralizing the threat. At the first two stages, four radar antennas with a circular sector of the review in azimuth operate. IAI’s Elta ELM-2133 WindGuard Radar radars provide early warning, determine the direction, calculate the meeting time, and automatically send an activation signal to the attackers.

As part of the work of the American army on the finished system, which also provides for the integration and "localization" of the Trophy system into М1А2 Abrams tanks, Rafael has teamed up with Leonardo DRS. Since 2012, companies have been working together to ensure survivability and protection.

“The Trophy complex was installed and tested on the M1 tank,” said Mike O'Leary, director of the department of survivability and mortality at DRS Land Systems. - This process is completed and we are extremely pleased with the characteristics of the system. And this is despite the very difficult external conditions and testing regimes that our government has identified and through which it forced us to pass. We believe and see in fact that many skeptics thereafter became supporters of this system. ”

The characterization of the KAZ technology was carried out in the Redstone arsenal this year, but its representatives did not disclose how many KAZ machines were installed and what specific tests were performed. O'Leary said only that “it was a wide range of very complex and serious threats in various conditions tense for the platform and the complex itself”.

The industry is currently awaiting the decision of the army command to begin official state tests and possible further deployment. The likely outcome may be the purchase of several systems for several types of machines with subsequent tests, a deferred purchasing decision for further tests, or even a decision not to deploy the complex at all.

“We are well aware of the desire of the highest army command to very quickly deploy some capabilities,” said O'Leary. - It is a well-known fact that global threats to ground vehicles have seriously evolved over the past decade; we, with this in mind, must react and be ahead. The United States has no other choice. ”

The main problem of integrating the Trophy with existing systems is to implement it in such a way that platform characteristics are not reduced, especially when it comes to mobility, the need for electricity and combat capability.

“We, ultimately, should try to certify and deploy this complex to the troops, our task is not to degrade the characteristics of the complex, but to integrate it perfectly into the platform,” O'Leary explained. “The problems associated with installing on Abrams were different from the Israeli experience, but equally complex, and in some cases we were forced to make key decisions on the go. This is a critically important system for us, but what we absolutely should not do, even if this complex is three times as beautiful, is to worsen the fighting qualities of the vehicle. ”

A representative of Rafael Land Maneuver Systems, Ichar Sahar, said that his company is currently fulfilling a contract from the Israeli Ministry of Defense to manufacture more 1000 Trophy complexes. These systems must be installed on all Merkava Mk 3 and Mk 4 tanks and Namer armored personnel carriers. Indeed, last year the Israeli Ministry of Defense announced that it would purchase enough Trophy systems for installation on all these platforms.

This order is a clear indication that the KAZ is fully trusted by the Israeli army. She used these systems for the first time, and successfully, to combat ATGM in combat operations during Operation Enduring Rock in 2014. Compare this with the previous sad experience of the Israeli-Lebanese war 2006 of the year, when at least 20 Israeli tanks were hit by ATGM, which led to the death of 23 crew members.

Sugar explained that during the tests, the American army was pleased that the combat effectiveness of the Trophy system fully met its expectations, as well as the sophistication of this technology.

Rafael is currently working on expanding the Trophy family of complexes. In order not to be limited to heavy machines, the company is developing a lighter version of MV, which can be installed on the remotely controlled weapon module (DUMW) of the Samson Mk II 30 mm.


KAZ Trophy-LV was developed in response to the need to protect light cars


Installation scheme of the Trophy LV system on the Oshkosh M-ATV armored car

Sugar added that “in fact, this is the same KAZ Trophy, which is installed on Merkava, Namer and Abrams, but at the same time it weighs less on 300 kg and takes up less volume on 30% so that you can install it on DUMV or on such machines like ASCOD, Ajax or heavy 8x8 BTR. "

The capabilities of the MV variant are the same as those of the MV, the radars of both variants have the same detection and classification characteristics of the attacking threats. “Trophy MV appeared today in order to fill the upcoming period in 3-4 of the year when we are ready to present the next generation complex,” said Sugar.

Reign on the battlefield

In addition to the Trophy, the US Army is also considering two more systems, the Iron Fist and the Iron Curtain, which will be installed on the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle and the Stryker BTR respectively. The Iron Fist system, developed by IMI Systems, is designed for installation on a wide variety of vehicles, starting with the HMMWV armored car and ending with medium-sized armored personnel carriers and heavy OBTs. It can fight such threats on the battlefield as anti-tank unguided missiles, anti-tank guided missiles and anti-tank anti-tank missiles.


Iron Curtain Active Protection System on Stryker armored vehicle

In December 2016 of the year, it was announced that the Dutch army would install Iron Fist systems on its CV9035 armored vehicles from BAE Systems. The CV90 with two Iron Fist launchers covering the left and right sectors was shown at DSEI 2017.

This technology includes 4 level: the level of real-time situational awareness on the basis of a set of radar and opto-electronic sensors; the level of opto-electronic suppression based on a directional optocoupler of interference to combat anti-tank missile; the level of direct destruction of targets with the ability to intercept threats using an explosive strike element at a safe distance from the protected platform; and the fourth level is the ability to counterattack on the basis of data from system sensors, which allow you to accurately hit the emerging threats.

Iron Curtain from Artis, just like Iron Fist and Trophy, can be installed on any ground platform plus on helicopters, boats and fixed structures, such as buildings. The system provides protection against jet grenades and other manual systems. It uses high-speed detection and parallel data processing technologies to intercept and destroy threats several tens of centimeters from the target, which allows minimizing indirect damage. In addition, the lightweight system occupies a very small volume.

Ultimately, we are moving in the direction of the so-called "holistic protection" and move away from existing solutions that increase the mass and power consumption of the platforms. For this purpose, sensors that perform different work (if possible independently) could be involved, which increases the uniformity and reduces the level of complexity of the system. As one of the possible directions, it would be possible to use detection technologies not only for detecting and neutralizing threats, but also as a surveillance tool that expands the capabilities of the crew of the vehicle.

“Everyone wants to shoot down a rocket grenade, not a question, but I think many combat commanders consider this a bonus. - explained O'Leary. - Still, it would be more important from a tactical or even from a strategic point of view to have combat platforms at the forefront that learn about the threat even before the attack or immediately at the moment of its beginning. Embedding in this decision-making cycle, the ability to respond with fire before the threat hits you, will have a huge impact on the operational thinking of our units. ”

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  1. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 10 November 2017 08: 10 New
    +1
    And another way, as I recall, someone here suggested the simplest: hang on the armor the hedgehog, i.e. spikes sticking perpendicular to the armor. What will weaken the armor-piercing effect of shells, not to mention the cumulative.
    Prasda, the author did not guess to offer the thorns to stand up, like a living hedgehog. And he was ridiculed: how does such a machine go through the thickets? But in general, the idea is interesting.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 10 November 2017 08: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: M. Michelson
      But in general an interesting idea

      And what?
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 10 November 2017 08: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Quote: M. Michelson
        But in general an interesting idea

        And what?

        The enemy’s eyes will burst with shock, and then take it warm! wassat
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 10 November 2017 08: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          The enemy’s eyes will burst with shock, and then take it warm!

          I never thought about that! Tady-Oh!
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 10 November 2017 09: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        And what?

        The probability of destruction or damage to the cumulative funnel is quite high. At the same time, such “needles” can be made more resistant to external influences as compared to lattices.
        True, such a thing will be more expensive.
        1. prodi
          prodi 10 November 2017 10: 49 New
          +1
          such a scheme is not bad against caliber armor-piercing, but not sub-caliber, but against cumulative - lattices are cheaper
          1. prodi
            prodi 10 November 2017 11: 51 New
            0
            although maybe I'm wrong about the caliber: the convenient angle of fire will not be that great
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 November 2017 12: 58 New
              +1
              For sub-caliber, the probability of hitting the “needle”, which will cause a change in the trajectory or “somersault,” is unlikely.
              1. prodi
                prodi 10 November 2017 13: 38 New
                +2
                I mean, if at a right angle - yes, then at a small sharp point - this is a solid stockade. In general, in my opinion, it is more reasonable to give a couple of uninhabited robots with similar weapons to one inhabited car, this will be the best solution to the problem
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 11 November 2017 03: 56 New
          +2
          Protection using core panels ("needles") has been "mentioned" before ... the alleged "pluses" and "minuses" were mentioned. Anyway ... no one is in a hurry to "clutch" for hedgehog "protection ...
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 November 2017 11: 43 New
          +1
          Such a spike should be half a meter long in order to pierce
          cone grenades or rockets. And very durable and firmly installed.
          Unrealistic, in my opinion.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 November 2017 12: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Such a spike should be half a meter long

            Its length should be the same as the distance from the armor to the "knife" lattice screen. So everything is real.
            The spikes can be made more resistant to damage by springing them. However, the weight of such protection will be higher than that of screens
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 11 November 2017 00: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: M. Michelson
      But in general, the idea is interesting.

      Actually the idea itself was embodied on the T-72A, where instead of needles there were shields on the front shelves of the tracks. According to the doctrine of dangerous firing angles, which is still a guide for designing and, accordingly, assessing priority threats to a tank, these guards did not allow cumulative ammunition to directly hit the side projection at angles of + - 30 degrees from the frontal projection.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 11 November 2017 21: 39 New
        +7
        Yeah, there were such. And I also saw 72s, in which these shields were not sticking up to the armor, but 30-40 degrees to it.
    3. Fedorov
      Fedorov 12 November 2017 17: 10 New
      +1
      Well, so long ago Contact-1, "Knife" Ukrainian, all this was.
  2. EvilLion
    EvilLion 10 November 2017 08: 46 New
    0
    The most important thing in minimizing the damage received is not to glow.
  3. First iron-faced
    First iron-faced 10 November 2017 08: 50 New
    0
    Hm! in my opinion, BM Stryker (USA) has a wheel formula of not 8x8, permanent drive to two rear axles.
    1. First iron-faced
      First iron-faced 12 November 2017 01: 10 New
      +1
      Interestingly, the "technical" number of articles is not honored here, 8x8 or 8x4, it turns out not to be the essence for wheeled BMs. It is important for the local audience to get more naughty posts. And mobility is probably harmful to BM protection? ...
  4. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 10 November 2017 09: 25 New
    +2
    In the USA, so far we have taken the simplest path. It was decided to install the Trophy systems on the tanks of one of the brigades as an experience.
  5. Lopatov
    Lopatov 10 November 2017 10: 06 New
    +7
    Somehow somewhat messy.
    In fact, complex solutions are now in the trend.
    Consider an example image from an article called "The installation scheme of the Trophy LV system on the armored car Oshkosh M-ATV"

    We see here not only KAZ.
    Under the name "Softkill AGTM jammer" lies the optoelectronic suppression system. Most likely something like the famous "birdhouse", interfering with anti-tank systems using an optical coordinator.
    Further, to detect all kinds of shooters, including RPGshnikov, there are blocks that are "hiding" under the name "SpotLite P". This is an infrared system that performs the notch of a shooter and identifies the type of weapon in a library of infrared signatures.
    Well, for the implementation of the data received from the radar of the active protection complex and the SpotLite P infrared system, there is an effective remotely controlled combat module with the Spike LR ATGM

    That is, here we see a complete solution in its purest form.
  6. Berkut24
    Berkut24 10 November 2017 14: 15 New
    +1
    Stryker in the photo had some fun ... shed shed. Narrow streets are contraindicated.
    1. First iron-faced
      First iron-faced 12 November 2017 01: 26 New
      +2
      The bench (test) version of the car, not serial, and narrow streets are all contraindicated to everyone without exception, especially wheeled, where they can’t turn around in place, unlike caterpillar tracks.
  7. gregor6549
    gregor6549 10 November 2017 16: 27 New
    +2
    There has long been a constant competition of the sword with a shield and probable opponents try to keep one far behind the other. Sometimes the shield breaks out a little forward, sometimes the sword is ahead, but so far no one has ever managed to achieve a significant advantage over one.
    New armor appears and shells capable of breaking it appear immediately. Systems such as "Trophy" appear and immediately weapons systems appear capable of neutralizing these Trophies. For example, Trophy includes radars, and any radar can be suppressed sooner or later by EW systems, including anti-radar shells / missiles. And this applies not only to radars, but also to other means of detecting anti-tank weapons (laser, infrared, multisensor, etc.)
    Who, for example, is interfering with the installation of a homing radio-frequency homing head or a noise bar on an ATGM?
    Those. any similar issue can be resolved if there is something to solve it for, there is someone, there is time for a solution, and losses incurred before resolving the issue are permissible or do not significantly affect the course of hostilities.
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 11 November 2017 04: 09 New
    +3
    Guys! Be the "guarantor"! So that no one slams the idea! I offer special screens! Who else remembers wooden scores (frame, rods, rollers ...)? So .... we make "scores" iron and hang on tanks! fellow Armor-piercing shells will glide along the rollers and ..: 1. fly away to the hair dryer ...; 2.flop about the armor "flat" ... !!! good soldier good
    1. prodi
      prodi 11 November 2017 08: 12 New
      +1
      yes, this is clearly better than simple trellis screens and not much more expensive
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 11 November 2017 10: 17 New
        +1
        Glad to meet another adequate chela! fellow hi drinks
  9. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 22 November 2017 14: 17 New
    0
    The tankers followed the path of the shipbuilders. Less useless armor, more active defense.
    Or didn’t go. The best tank is a small, nimble conveyor of an optimal gun stuffed with SAZs.
  10. hezbola
    hezbola 22 November 2017 21: 51 New
    0
    Western izgailsky equipment does not have protection from a sniper or a robot that 12,7-23mm knocks out radar visors and cameras, exhausts a stock of active defense shells from the ags and rpgists and petals burn out a blind tin. And then, corrected and controlled including and from the UAV mines and shells of 80-155mm type of whale, no one canceled. fly to the tower at a right angle with a speed far exceeding any tank and fall from the first shot.
    1. max702
      max702 3 February 2018 13: 11 New
      0
      Do you remember the joke about the Israeli conscript? Well, where he asks. But what am I alone against all in the army of Israel? Here it is. we have that one tank against all will be? and what other types of troops will be occupied with? with proper organization, they will cut out what you wrote above .. otherwise you can say that a shovel is the best tool for PT .. dig a large hole, mask the tank, it enters and that's it ...
  11. hezbola
    hezbola 22 November 2017 22: 04 New
    0
    the frog’s idea seems to be correct, to find the source of the attack before the shot, but they limited themselves to the LAZ bearing. beam, do not scan the area for the presence of optics and visors which can be tuyeva hecha, uv, lidars, ir different waves, television, electromagnetic, thermal, cable, radio channels also combine several at once. Our FSO anti-snipers have direction finders optics, and it’s the type of these that should be installed on all our equipment. for the more or less effective use of RPG / Ptur / PTRK for any implies the use of optics or a visor. relics, gratings, spikes, kazy, etc., will already be closed from rpgist without optics. But from snipers, visors will not close anything.