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The United States will create an analogue of the Russian "absolute killer"

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The Pentagon is implementing a two-year program to develop a new air-to-air missile that is capable of intercepting targets at long distances, according to FlightGlobal. Weapon will become an analogue of the "absolute killer" - the Russian K-77M rocket, designed to equip fifth-generation fighter Su-57.


The United States will create an analogue of the Russian "absolute killer"


The purpose of the LREW (long-range engagement weapon) is to declare “maintaining air supremacy”. The weapon should replace the AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) all-weather, medium-range, medium-range guided missile, which was put into service as early as the 1980s.

The latest modification of AIM-120 AMRAAM has a range of 160 kilometers and is equipped with GPS navigation, but is inferior to the "absolute killer" and Chinese counterparts (PL-12D and PL-21 missiles).

The design analysis and engineering justification of LREW were completed in the 2016 year, now the Pentagon is determined with the final design of the new rocket, notes Popular Mechanics. It is assumed that a radar with an active phased antenna array will be installed in the nose of the LREW, and the missile range will also be increased, reports Lenta.ru
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  1. izya top
    izya top 3 November 2017 16: 47
    19
    so you don’t have enough money lol
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 November 2017 16: 49
      19
      If only we had enough.
      Quote: iza top
      so you don’t have enough money lol
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 November 2017 18: 40
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        If only we had enough.

        Russian missile K-77M, designed to equip fifth-generation fighters Su-57.

        And on the way we have KS-172.
      2. Vard
        Vard 3 November 2017 20: 05
        +6
        I wonder what they will do to all of their Air Force ... if GPS disappears ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 November 2017 10: 47
          +2
          There, the GPS is combined, if GPS disappears, it will only affect the range of target acquisition, and even then not really.
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 3 November 2017 16: 50
      16
      Quote: iza top
      so you don’t have enough money lol

      They don’t have enough money, they cut the printing press, and robbed their vassals along the way. request
      1. Logall
        Logall 3 November 2017 16: 58
        19
        Vlad hi
        I've been paying attention to
        Pentagon determined with final design

        I just thought that the main thing in a rocket is not design, but aerodynamic characteristics ...
        Show off? Or he just made a statement with dural ...
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 3 November 2017 17: 17
          +3
          Quote: Logall
          Vlad hi
          I've been paying attention to
          Pentagon determined with final design

          I just thought that the main thing in a rocket is not design, but aerodynamic characteristics ...
          Show off? Or he just made a statement with dural ...

          Why durole, Chief Designer. By the way, the main financing is there too. Intellectual (read cultural) property.
          And our guys, for the same salary, are five times ahead ....
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 3 November 2017 20: 18
            +9
            Hey guys, I'm a patriot myself, but you're already overdoing it!
            In air missiles, especially in the AGSN, engines and fuels, Americans are very strong opponents.
            Sometimes cheers to scream are bad for health, especially when machine guns are in front.
            Sometimes, it’s wiser to quietly get close and throw grenades. And then you can and Urra!
            1. 73bor
              73bor 3 November 2017 20: 49
              +5
              Hey guy, but what about the Americans catching up this time !? In my opinion, it’s harmful to scream in advance that they will do something — that is, UH. In the USSR, too, they were catching up with the USA, but they did not yell at all angles, the active head -GUD only has small nuances, this head may not get caught with correctly set up interference and electronic warfare! We only got such a missile because, with a defense and a powerful radar field, it has a maximum chance of hitting attacking targets, the logic of the Americans is completely different — be as unpunished as possible!
              1. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 3 November 2017 23: 28
                +3
                Well man! Well said!
                Only here we are talking about long-range, distant, Carl missiles! In this case, the advantages of a “powerful radar field” are no longer, as it were, 100% advantages. Moreover - the radar reconnaissance by means of the AWACS and HOKAY type of the enemy, as it were, will be abruptly now. No Carl? So why would Cheers scream and climb with a torn vest on a machine gun? Have we lost so many courageous people on the fronts? Maybe you can look at it with your mind and look for a ravine, so that it fits the machine gunner exactly at the throw distance of the grenade? Yes, and check if there are mine-traps?
                And then - grunt!
                1. 73bor
                  73bor 4 November 2017 07: 40
                  +2
                  Only between there is and will be there is a big difference! Nobody shouted URA and AWAKS and Hokai did not appear yesterday and something is not noticeable their super-duper advantages in Syria, where are you? And let the Americans search for grenades for throwing grenades, I myself am in a trench with a machine gun and grenades!
                  1. Vlad.by
                    Vlad.by 4 November 2017 08: 56
                    +2
                    Well, the radish is not sweeter. If it’s so convenient for you - let's look in the mirror. Now it is the Americans who are looking for “ravines” now. Creeping bastards with grenades. A new rocket is being mastered.
                    And you are in that trench, with a machine gun, but also with a flash drive of vodka, which you drink with beer. And why - you have a rocket. So you can not look at the creeps of sworn friends. Like, they’re small, we have already defeated them. And here in vain! They in Syria kept our Su-24 on guard precisely because of better situational awareness. Thanks to the “powerful radar field” from two AWACS.
                    In short, neither Hurray screaming all the time, nor sleeping in a pillow with these "friends" is not worth it. Even if the hands are on Cord’s triggers.
                    1. 73bor
                      73bor 4 November 2017 16: 16
                      0
                      Here, pretending to be a friend from around the corner, pretending to be a friend is not necessary, there is no need for AWACS either, from Latakia to the border with Turkey it is less than 40 km and they shot at Su-24 almost point-blank (the Turks have no long-range missiles)!
                      1. Vlad.by
                        Vlad.by 5 November 2017 01: 26
                        0
                        And we did not know that we had no friends on Inzherlik? However, they let themselves be cautious. Although this is not about that, but about the "RL field"
                        It was two AWACS that allowed them to shoot, albeit at point blank range, but so that the route of the Su-24 could be interpreted in two ways. Maybe it flew into the territory, or maybe not. It's about situational awareness. With which we still have problems. As for the missiles - yes, we have a missile with AGSN. So AGSN and mattresses have. Let it be on a missile on another missile. And throw hats that they de are catching up with us, and here we are such cool and forever winners, I would not. They will modify AMRAAM or put and catch on a new glider. The task is to develop the tactics of VICTORY in a situation where the adversary has technical equality with you or even has an advantage. One must be prepared for such an option, especially since it is very possible. And it’s not offensive to look for words and be measured by members against the future enemy, even if he only walks in probable opponents.
                        I'm just about that.
        2. GIN
          GIN 3 November 2017 17: 17
          +1
          Misunderstand design word used correctly
        3. pjastolov
          pjastolov 3 November 2017 17: 39
          +5
          Quote: Logall
          that the main thing in a rocket is not design,

          Sanya hi don't tell laughing
        4. Elena Zakharova
          Elena Zakharova 3 November 2017 18: 24
          +7
          Quote: Logall
          Show off?

          Of course show off.
          Moreover, it is not entirely clear why exactly the Americans are trying to create something like the P-77 analogue.
          In Russia, there is a P-33 in service, and there is a P-37.
          And in the development at the final stage of Ks-172, which generally has no equal in the world, even in the long run.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 November 2017 19: 29
            +1
            "There is R-37" Alas, this missile is not present, there is an RVV DB, and even then on tests.
            1. Elena Zakharova
              Elena Zakharova 3 November 2017 20: 34
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              Alas, this missile is not present, there is a RVV DB

              This is the P-37, with a slightly modified fairing.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 3 November 2017 21: 28
                +1
                This rocket has different intestines, not just a fairing.
                1. Elena Zakharova
                  Elena Zakharova 3 November 2017 21: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  This rocket has different intestines

                  Are you saying this?
                  Digging in giblets?
                  What is the difference? Other pieces are, right?
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 3 November 2017 22: 06
                    +1
                    GOS new, TTRD, a new warhead, and even steering "cars" new. And there is a likelihood that this missile may not be accepted into service, in view of the limited overload that the 8g design can withstand, and the maximum intercept height of 25 kilometers is small, the US Global Hawk UAV flies at an altitude of 30 kilometers. This is not counting the fact that in the next ten years, shock hypersonic UAVs and missiles flying at altitudes of 30 kilometers may appear. The Tactical Missile Arms Concern does not yet steer in all missiles - but there is something to strive for.
                    1. Elena Zakharova
                      Elena Zakharova 3 November 2017 23: 21
                      +3
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      GOS new, TTRD, new warhead, and even steering “cars” new.

                      And the pieces about which I wrote where are they?
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 3 November 2017 23: 42
                        +4
                        And piezics - in contact fuses.
        5. mole
          mole 3 November 2017 19: 04
          0
          Quote: Logall
          Pentagon determined with final design

          Design is the engine of the project! Also drew attention.
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 3 November 2017 23: 37
            +8
            Viewers, the word design is translated not only and not so much as "engineering appearance", but also as "development", "construction" ... So there is no contradiction. The rigidity of the language and insufficient training of the translator - nothing more. Do not cling to words.
        6. Beby
          Beby 3 November 2017 19: 23
          17
          Quote: Logall
          I just thought that the main thing in a rocket is not design, but aerodynamic characteristics ...
          Show off? Or he just made a statement with dural ...

          More likely clumsy or illiterate translation.
          Design - you can translate it both as a project (noun), and as design (verb) ... and much more, for example, their “Designer” - corresponds to our “constructor”. Perhaps in the original article it was a question of choosing competing design solutions or options for technical tasks.

          PS It so happened that most translators are humanities, in the bad sense of the word: i.e. people purposefully not friends with mathematics / physics and any technology. Hence the “features” of their translation. Yes, such that sometimes you have to restore English phrases / phrases, and only then catch the meaning.
          I also met adequate technical translators (at international exhibitions and conferences). My observations show that, as a rule, they are piece specialists, which can be obtained only by appointment in the queue several weeks (and sometimes months) before the planned event.
        7. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 3 November 2017 22: 26
          +3
          Quote: Logall
          I just thought that the main thing in a rocket is not design, but aerodynamic characteristics ...
          Show off? Or he just made a statement with dural ...

          It translated "duralom".
          Design - is a design, translated from bourgeois into Russian.
          Namely, the design ensures the achievement of certain aerodynamic and other characteristics.
        8. nod739
          nod739 4 November 2017 09: 06
          +2
          this translation is such .. design - meaning layout, design, and not an external marafet
        9. stasimar
          stasimar 4 November 2017 09: 48
          +1
          Not. The article, most likely, is from an English-language resource and the deer-translator did not translate the word desing, which is significant in this case, the device or design, and not just the appearance.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 3 November 2017 16: 59
        11
        It is assumed that in the bow of the LREW will be installed radar with an active phased array antenna

        Put the engine in the bow, engine !!! wassat
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 3 November 2017 17: 17
          +2
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Put the engine in the bow, engine !!!

          Not. Tie a bow on the side. One FIG 33 km loses, you can hang without dvigla for beauty bully
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 3 November 2017 17: 31
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            Not. Tie a bow on the side. One FIG 33 km loses, you can hang without dvigla for beauty

            So who then hangs it without dvigla? Well, unless she fits into the loop herself. laughing
        2. PalBor
          PalBor 3 November 2017 18: 16
          +4
          And the propeller.
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit 3 November 2017 20: 00
        +1
        Quote: 79807420129
        They don’t have enough money, they cut the printing press,

        With the pace of printing dollars as it is now, soon all over the world, paper is not enough. laughing
    3. poquello
      poquello 3 November 2017 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: iza top
      so you don’t have enough money lol

      so that they always didn’t have enough, and let them make a rocket, read them - it’s good
    4. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 3 November 2017 17: 05
      +7
      Quote: iza top
      so you don’t have enough money lol

      In vain they will spend money, the machine might feel sorry for them ..
      At this time, the United States in the arms race will burn .. soldier
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 3 November 2017 17: 23
        +4
        their machine might feel sorry for them.
        will not overheat. Nabiullina for what?
    5. Primoos
      Primoos 3 November 2017 17: 09
      10
      For some time, mattresses in the role of catching up. Moreover, even dollar doping ceased to help them. On the face of exhaustion of creative opportunities. This is the beginning of the end.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 3 November 2017 17: 38
        +2
        Quote: Primoos
        For some time, mattresses in the role of catching up. Moreover, even dollar doping ceased to help them. On the face of exhaustion of creative opportunities. This is the beginning of the end.

        We still have to stop selling them titanium, and even something. It’s time to rebuild the economy in a new way. Stop chasing resources for paper ...
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 3 November 2017 18: 43
          +5
          Quote: Esoteric
          Esoteric Today, 17:38 PM ↑ New
          Quote: Primoos
          For some time, mattresses in the role of catching up. Moreover, even dollar doping ceased to help them. On the face of exhaustion of creative opportunities. This is the beginning of the end.
          We still have to stop selling them titanium, and even something. It’s time to rebuild the economy in a new way. Stop chasing resources for paper ...

          In the words of Kozma Prutkov: "Look at the root." It is necessary to stop the export of roundwood, then they will have nothing to print dollars on and they will all be lost there ... Of course, I feel sorry for them, but our cedars, pines and ate were somehow pitiful (sometimes even pitiful).
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 3 November 2017 23: 45
            0
            Do you think that leaving a ripe forest on a plot means saving it? Not at all! Nothing lasts forever under the moon - like people, trees grow old, get sick, rot and die as a result. Do not cut it down on time - the entire surrounding forest will fall ill and infect parasites. So, it’s better to cut down wisely and earn money than to “keep” and at the same time destroy forests.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 3 November 2017 22: 48
          0
          Quote: Esoteric
          We still have to stop selling them titanium, and even something.

          Is Russia selling someone its titanium?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 22: 49
            +8
            Quote: Setrac
            Quote: Esoteric
            We still have to stop selling them titanium, and even something.

            Is Russia selling someone its titanium?

            Good morning! laughing
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 3 November 2017 23: 21
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Good morning!

              And you google how much titanium is mined in Russia, I promise you will be very surprised.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 08: 38
                +8
                Quote: Setrac
                And you google

                Forgive me, Feng Shui?
                Here is the original question:
                Quote: Setrac
                Is Russia selling someone its titanium?

                Here's the answer:
                VSMPO-AVISMA has serious authority in the field of aircraft manufacturing. 40% of Boeing parts are imported from Russia. Airbus is 60% dependent on Russia


                And what else is there to “google”? wink
                PS: once upon a time in practice, I worked at a factory where all the equipment was titanium ... a semi-annual scheduled shutdown of the plant, equipment replacement.
                GNIIHP office called ... there is already no.
                1. ghby
                  ghby 4 November 2017 10: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  40% of Boeing parts are imported from Russia.

                  Parts not titanium laughing joke ...
                  But in your words, salt, not titanium, but titanium products, and this is a big difference.
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 4 November 2017 21: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  And what else is there to “google”?

                  Do it do it, we believe in you !!!!!
                  And still I am waiting for an answer - how much titanium is mined in Russia?
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 21: 12
                    +7
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Is Russia selling someone its titanium?

                    I already answered you:
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    VSMPO-AVISMA

                    ... supplies titanium products to the United States.
                    Quote: Setrac
                    I'm waiting for an answer - how much titanium is mined in Russia?

                    And this, as in that joke, is another matter. To the first, by the way. not related in any way.
                    You can wait ... yes, at least until the carrotkin's conspiracy yes
                    I didn’t sign up to fulfill your whims.
                    And, yes ... drop it, it’s not accepted here.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 4 November 2017 21: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      ... supplies titanium products to the United States.

                      It’s strange, yes, the United States also supplies “titanium products” to Russia - the planes are called, but where is this titanium mined from which the “products” that got bored are made?
                      I know the answer, it’s a hint for you to know.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 22: 03
                        +7
                        Quote: Setrac
                        ... and where is this titanium mined ...

                        I don’t ... do not care yes
                        That's honest - absolutely in parallel.
                        You asked a (stupid) question, got an answer to it.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        I know the answer, this is a hint so you know

                        I know the answers to a lot of questions, the answers to which you definitely do not know.
                        And so what, one asks?
                        Finding out where titanium is mined ... I'm lazy, to be honest.
                        Unhook already stop
      2. Barshchik-M
        Barshchik-M 3 November 2017 18: 20
        +8
        Quote: Primoos
        For some time, mattresses in the role of catching up. Moreover, even dollar doping ceased to help them. On the face of exhaustion of creative opportunities. This is the beginning of the end.

        You think in the right direction .. Soon in the world, something will change and Russia will again be at the head of change! Such is our fate to see, though in the New World, the very same "global financial" structures will remain afloat again .. Well, as usual, they never drown .. hehe
        I’m sure that Russia will succeed or death is better.

        Songs of Tsoi will always be relevant .. drinks
        1. ADT
          ADT 3 November 2017 18: 51
          +1
          Banya, this is a miracle - are you listening to Tsoi’s songs?!?
          You grow up a little, then you also begin to understand them.
          Drink a little bath.
          1. Barshchik-M
            Barshchik-M 3 November 2017 19: 21
            +9
            Quote: ADT
            Banya, this is a miracle - are you listening to Tsoi’s songs?!?
            You grow up a little, then you also begin to understand them.
            Drink a little bath.

            I do not understand why such a delight? Son, would you settle down ..
            You can’t be so rude, even though you have the Israeli flag ..
            You provocateur, little devil .. Oh well, I’m not going to feed you .. And then you’ll get fat laughing
            1. VALERIK_097
              VALERIK_097 3 November 2017 20: 16
              0
              Meehan - again, cheap populism, E, too, it is necessary, somehow again to leak into the forum.
          2. GABALIS
            GABALIS 3 November 2017 22: 19
            +1
            Why does a comrade with a sawn-off shot, believe that only he understands Tsoi? Jewish and Korean brothers forever? :)
    6. tol100v
      tol100v 3 November 2017 17: 34
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      so you don’t have enough money

      NOT money. If only they had enough brains! "Exceptional"!
    7. sgazeev
      sgazeev 3 November 2017 18: 40
      0
      Quote: iza top
      so you don’t have enough money lol

      Brains no longer work, we decided to tear in Chinese. hi
    8. APASUS
      APASUS 3 November 2017 20: 10
      +1
      Quote: iza top
      so you don’t have enough money lol

      So that the printing press did not have enough money, how is it?
    9. den3080
      den3080 3 November 2017 22: 15
      +1
      so that they have paper and ink over for printing money and the machine breaks down
    10. Sasha71
      Sasha71 3 November 2017 22: 44
      0
      It’s better that they have enough mind, and that money is stolen. :)
  2. vorobey
    vorobey 3 November 2017 16: 48
    +5
    Now the Pentagon is determined with the final design of the new rocket

    with its pink paint ... and the ribbons and perforations on the stabilizers will surpass in design both the absolute killer and the Chinese counterparts ..
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 3 November 2017 17: 49
      +2
      No, the Chinese, Feng Shui!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 3 November 2017 19: 45
        +4
        Quote: VadimSt
        No, the Chinese, Feng Shui!


        I'm even afraid to ask, but with us ... by ...? repeat
  3. assa67
    assa67 3 November 2017 16: 49
    +6
    somewhere the documentation was stolen, or the old development of Maidanutyh borrowed
  4. win
    win 3 November 2017 16: 51
    +4
    equipped with GPS navigation

    In a conflict, the enemy’s satellite constellation is “blinded” in the first place.
    And where does the rocket fly without GPS navigation?
    1. Guillon
      Guillon 3 November 2017 16: 54
      +2
      Yes, stripes are behind in this regard! wassat
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 3 November 2017 17: 01
      +2
      Quote: Siegen
      And where does the rocket fly without GPS navigation?

      Apparently directly, by inertial.
    3. izya top
      izya top 3 November 2017 17: 16
      +3
      Quote: Siegen
      And where does the rocket fly without GPS navigation?

      first by parabola, then by inertia yes
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 3 November 2017 17: 51
        0
        To each rocket, in a set - as a guide!
      2. evil partisan
        evil partisan 3 November 2017 18: 07
        +4
        Quote: izya top
        first by parabola, then by inertia

        laughing good
        The 6th-category moonshine physicist is immediately apparent. yes
        drinks
        1. izya top
          izya top 3 November 2017 18: 38
          +4
          drinks
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          Moonshine physicist of the 6th category,

  5. Going
    Going 3 November 2017 17: 13
    10
    The latest modification of AIM-120 AMRAAM has a range of 160 kilometers and is equipped with GPS navigation, but is inferior to the "absolute killer" and Chinese counterparts (PL-12D and PL-21 missiles).


    My soul feels pissed off again and try to lull.
    1. aws4
      aws4 3 November 2017 17: 20
      +1
      yes it is ... they have great rockets
      1. Going
        Going 3 November 2017 17: 22
        10
        Well, even more money to shake.
        1. aws4
          aws4 3 November 2017 17: 32
          +2
          money with money, but one should not forget about a powerful economy and simply huge production opportunities ...
          1. Going
            Going 3 November 2017 17: 34
            10
            They already have no problems with finances, and the production is appropriate and everyone is crying.
  6. san4es
    san4es 3 November 2017 17: 36
    +4
    Russian missile K-77M, designed to equip fifth-generation fighters Su-57.

    K-77M is an air-to-air medium-range missile, an improved version of the R-77 with an antenna based on a digital active phased array and a two-pulse motor. Length 3,7 m; starting weight 190 kg; warhead weight 22 kg; range of 110 km. soldier

    1. Tusv
      Tusv 3 November 2017 17: 53
      +4
      Quote: san4es
      K-77M is an air-to-air medium-range missile, an improved version of the R-77 with an antenna based on a digital active phased array and a two-pulse motor. Length 3,7 m; starting weight 190 kg; warhead weight 22 kg; range 110 km

      Ours, as usual, lie so that no one would guess. Nada zyryat bourgeois sites. And there Max Range: 193 kilometer (104 nautical mile)
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 November 2017 15: 58
      0
      Off topic, on the photo. How did you think on the T-57 to make direct wide air intakes of the engines? Indeed, in front - directly through the openings of the air intakes - turbine blades are visible. For the radar - "Christmas tree." Kills frontal stealth completely.
      1. san4es
        san4es 4 November 2017 16: 10
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Off topic, on the photo. How did you think on the T-57 to make direct wide air intakes of the engines? Indeed, in front - directly through the openings of the air intakes - turbine blades are visible. For the radar - "Christmas tree." Kills frontal stealth completely.

        PAK FA includes radar blockers, in principle, similar to those used on the F / a-18E / F in front of the engine fan. Russian designers abandoned some stealth in exchange for aerodynamic properties and maneuverability hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 November 2017 12: 14
          +1
          Thanks for clarifying. good
  7. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 3 November 2017 18: 37
    +2
    Quote: Logall

    1
    Logall Today, 16:58 ↑ New
    Vlad hi
    I've been paying attention to
    Pentagon determined with final design

    I just thought that the main thing in a rocket is not design, but aerodynamic characteristics ...
    Show off? Or he just made a statement with dural ...

    For Westerners, the word "design" means both appearance and design and development. Durole is a translator here.
  8. Egorovich
    Egorovich 3 November 2017 18: 56
    +5
    Along the way, the striped ones were wiped out by trying to make an analogue of our K-77M rocket.
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 3 November 2017 19: 19
    0
    they’ll create, so this grandmother said in two ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2017 19: 37
      +4
      That's what, and with the rockets they are doing fine, both in the turbojet engine and in electronics for them. They will do.
  10. Berkut24
    Berkut24 3 November 2017 19: 22
    0
    AIM-120 AMRAAM has a range of 160 kilometers and is equipped with GPS navigation

    Well, that is, there is already one weak spot. There will be no GPS navigation in the global war, and the United States and Russia will not succeed in another war.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2017 19: 35
      +3
      "There will be no GPS in the global war." They have GPS as an additional channel for missiles and bombs, and even then, what will happen to it in the global war - satellites cannot be put out of order. And most likely they have a plan for a quick recovery, a space group.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 3 November 2017 21: 07
        +5
        It is not even a matter of restoring the satellite constellation, but of suppressing everything and everything by electronic warfare systems and strikes on communication, communications and radar systems. The war will last an hour or two. Everyone will fight with what they have. Nobody will have time to restore anything.
        Each unit commander, each ship commander, each CP have packages in case of war. All scenarios are spelled out and, depending on the international situation, are replaced on time with new ones. The leadership of the Defense Ministry and the country as a whole are well aware that no one will be able to command and correct anything. Therefore, the war will be won by the one who has a more thoughtful scenario now. I’m telling you this as a certified specialist.
        The minimum flight time to goals in our territory is 4 minutes. Maximum - 30-40 minutes. During this time, it’s not enough to begin to lead the troops — no one has time to get to the Central Command Committee from the leadership. How during this time the generals and the president will be able to get to the flying KP and have time to fly away from Moscow to a safe distance? No way! All they have time to do is make a political decision and, on its basis, command all the commanders "Open package No. ...". All. after that, everything is according to the scenario. And after the hits, all sides of the conflict will begin to feel themselves, shake off the ashes, whistle the melody to the beat of the Geiger counter and try to understand what remains of the former luxury. What is the restoration of the satellite constellation ?!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 November 2017 21: 49
          +3
          "And in suppressing everything and everything by electronic warfare systems" There are no such electronic warfare systems that the satellite can disable, and is not expected in the future. Well, you underestimate our leadership, in 30 minutes they will get out of Moscow, for this there is one thing, or rather two, the second is designed to ensure that the capital is not immediately covered by warheads. Combat air command posts are in constant readiness - 24 hours a day. There will be much left of the former luxury, since our 1700 warheads will not be able to destroy half of the US industrial potential, but the US warheads can destroy 60% of our industry, since the lion's share is in the European part of Russia - it’s quite crowded. A radioactive trail will cover half of the USA and a third of Russia. In a year, it will be possible to live in this territory, taking the necessary measures to maintain health.
          1. Berkut24
            Berkut24 4 November 2017 11: 24
            0
            "And in suppressing everything and everything by electronic warfare systems" There are no such electronic warfare systems that the satellite can disable, and is not expected in the future.

            But there are systems that shift the navigation grid within a radius of several hundred kilometers. And the recent history of the Black Sea, when, by navigation, US ships were on land, is a good confirmation of this. No need to shoot down satellites, just “kill” the reliability of the signal from them.
            Well, you underestimate our leadership, in 30 minutes they will get out of Moscow, for this there is one thing, or rather two, the second is designed to ensure that the capital is not immediately covered by warheads.

            I wrote - 30 minutes is the maximum. Always come from a minimum. someone can and will be in time to “bounce off” from Moscow, but it is unlikely to fully manage at this moment. I do not just know about the second factor, but studied it in detail. With exams. One of the positions is 20 km from my house. I drive by every day on the way to work. Just keep in mind that all 12 nuclear missile warheads will explode over Moscow. Carrying out all radio communications and cutting down air defense systems of the capital for a decent time.
            Combat air command posts are in constant readiness - 24 hours a day.

            So you still need to get to them. If the Americans launch, say, from the territory of Poland, they won’t get any way. You can, of course, hope that there should not be American missiles in the rules and treaties, but do you have any illusions about the honesty of the Americans? At the beginning of the Second World War, the Germans 2 days before the attack began to mine our territorial waters and we lost more than half of the Baltic Fleet as a result.
            There will be much left of the former luxury, since our 1700 warheads will not be able to destroy half of the US industrial potential, but the US warheads can destroy 60% of our industry, since the lion's share is in the European part of Russia - it’s quite crowded.

            Here you are not in the subject. 1700 warheads are a guarantee with a 12-fold overlap of the destruction of the entire industrial potential of the United States. There will be nothing left of the population at all. Take a look at the map - there our industrial areas in the European part and in the Urals by area correspond to the entire territory of the USA.
            A radioactive trail will cover half of the USA and a third of Russia. In a year, it will be possible to live in this territory, taking the necessary measures to maintain health.

            Half-life not studied?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 November 2017 17: 09
              +1
              1700 warheads are a guarantee with a 12-fold overlap of the destruction of the entire industrial potential of the United States. - This is how you are going to destroy more than a million enterprises, three thousand military facilities in the US 1700 warheads? And to this list add NATO military facilities - there aren’t even enough half warheads and no 12 times there - alas, "If the Americans launch, say, from Poland, they won’t get anyway." Subsonic cruise missiles from Poland will fly to Moscow for more than an hour. Iodine 131 was studied for decay - eight days, Cesium 137 - 30 years, Strontium 90 - 28 years, Carbon 14 1570 years - the most dangerous is radioactive Iodine, the remaining 240 elements are short-lived. Growing food, grazing cattle, drinking untreated water in places where there were nuclear explosions in a year is dangerous, but you can already breathe and live.
              1. Berkut24
                Berkut24 4 November 2017 18: 40
                0
                We have a warhead for all NATO countries with a reserve. Do not forget about tactical nuclear weapons, as well as the possibility of conventional weapons strikes at nuclear power plants, chemical plants, nuclear weapons storage facilities, etc. Americans are also aware of the possibility of our strike on the tectonic faults of the earth's crust.
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 3 November 2017 23: 55
          0
          Type war according to plan ???
          Type - you pi..mat in two moves ???
          Do you really remember at least one war, especially with the participation of the Russians, when all the aggressors went according to plan?
        3. zoolu350
          zoolu350 4 November 2017 05: 59
          0
          In this case, the winner is the one who earlier manages to regain his capabilities before day X, including the satellite constellation, as well as being able to conduct a war on technology at the beginning of the 20th century during the restoration of technology.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 4 November 2017 10: 41
            +1
            "It’s more successful to wage a war on technology at the beginning of the 20th century." Why is this, and with the technologies of the 21st century, what will become - will they eat them or something?
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 4 November 2017 10: 49
              0
              Of course, electromagnetic pulses.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 4 November 2017 17: 14
                +1
                "Electromagnetic pulses." I’m sorry - out of 48 studies conducted in the USA, only in two cases the electromagnetic pulse disabled the ignition system of the car.
  11. Viktor.12.71
    Viktor.12.71 3 November 2017 20: 32
    +2
    How is the AIM-120 inferior? Maybe a guidance system? The AIM-120C-7 has an ANN guidance system + radio channel + AOS GPS, the AIM-120D has an ANN guidance system + GPS + two-way channel + AOS GPS, the P-77 (aka K-77M) has an ANS guidance system with radio correction + ARHS with the possibility of passive guidance. The speed and warhead are the same with the American.
  12. XXXIII
    XXXIII 3 November 2017 20: 58
    +1
    The United States will create an analogue of the Russian "absolute killer"
    sorry what analogue, this is a copy .... yes
  13. Voldemar07
    Voldemar07 3 November 2017 22: 55
    0
    Interestingly, for a long time we will go to the development of 80-90 years? Indeed, almost all modern weapons are the result of design engineers of those years. Are there now people who can determine the appearance of weapons, performance characteristics for 15-20 years ahead, as was the case with the USSR?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2017 23: 39
      +2
      The USSR for the most part was catching up with the United States, in armaments. And only in the 80s, we began to go step by step with the United States.
    2. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 4 November 2017 00: 06
      0
      Who is stopping me from participating?
      Invent, construct, and simply pay for R&D.
  14. Kurosaki Ichigo
    Kurosaki Ichigo 4 November 2017 02: 29
    0
    K-77M, aka R-77, which was +/- how is the AIM-120B now cooler than the C-7? What a twist.
    The K-77M, unlike the original R-77, has a different GOS, and, possibly, an engine (but this is not accurate).
    So the news is so-so ...
    1. Kurosaki Ichigo
      Kurosaki Ichigo 4 November 2017 03: 32
      0
      So yes, they stuck the two-pulse engine.)
      It’s a pity you can’t edit messages.
  15. complete zero
    complete zero 4 November 2017 09: 38
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: 210ox
    If only we had enough.

    Russian missile K-77M, designed to equip fifth-generation fighters Su-57.

    And on the way we have KS-172.

    and at the exit (with us) PARGSN P 27 (until now)
  16. Setrac
    Setrac 4 November 2017 22: 24
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Finding out where titanium is mined ... I'm lazy, to be honest.
    Unhook already

    You mean like an eel, just admit that you are wrong, Russia does not export titanium.
  17. qwests
    qwests 10 November 2017 14: 20
    0
    create an analogue of the killer - about how.
    those. somewhere near the side.