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German historian: the West was naive, hoping that Russia will become a partner

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Not only Germany, but the entire West was naive, hoping that Russia will become its partner, said the German historian and retired General Klaus Wittmann to the publication of Rzeczpospolita. Interview leads InoTV.


German historian: the West was naive, hoping that Russia will become a partner


If today it came to war with Russia, then Germany could push only one heavy division to the fight. But with confidence we can say that she will come to the aid of Poland,
said Wittman to the Polish edition.

According to him, Germany’s defense budget should grow from 1,2% to 2% of GDP to 2024, which means that “in six years Germany will become Europe’s biggest military power, because no one except the United States and China spends more € 75 billion per year for the army. ”

When asked whether the neighbors of Germany are ready for this, Klaus Wittmann replied:

So the question was trying to put the Social Democratic Party in the elections. One of its leaders - Sigmar Gabriel - asked: "Where are we located all these airports that we will have to buy in order to use 75 billion euros." But this was the decision not only of Germany, but of all NATO. This decision was made at a summit in Wales in 2014 and in Warsaw last year in response to the annexation of Crimea by Russia.


Then Chancellor Angela Merkel announced that Germany would strive for these 2% of GDP. This means a conditional commitment that the defense budget will indeed grow to € 75 billion if Russia continues to pose a threat to the alliance.

On the question of whether Germany was naive with respect to Russia, the German historian said the following:

We were all naive, hoping that Russia would actually become a partner of the West. But after the sensational speech of Vladimir Putin in Munich in February 2007, I warned that Germany and all NATO are doing too little to protect Poland and the Baltic countries from Russia. Despite this, the seizure of Crimea by Putin was a complete surprise for German intelligence. However, it should be acknowledged that the West also made mistakes, especially at the Bucharest summit in April 2007, when under pressure from George Bush, Ukraine and Georgia were promised membership in NATO. This was a provocation for Putin: a few months later he launched a war in Georgia and extended the presence of Russian troops in Sevastopol to 2042.


According to him, “those who claim that the Baltic countries cannot be defended are wrong, because West Berlin also seemed impossible to defend, but the Soviet Union did not attack him: after all, American, British and French forces were based there.” Similarly, the situation is now with the Baltic countries.

Wittmann does not agree with the statement that it is pointless to strengthen non-nuclear military forces, since Russia will use nuclear weapons against them. He stressed that Germany resolutely refused to possess nuclear weapons.

We participate only in the NATO Nuclear Planning Group, in Germany they store American atomic bombs, which, if necessary, can be transported on our Tornado bombers. But beyond this we will not go. If fears are already growing in Europe due to an increase in German conventional forces, then what would have happened if Germany had become a nuclear power?


Therefore, American nuclear safeguards are sufficient. In addition, "French nuclear forces also play a big role for Germany: during the Cold War, when they were formed outside NATO control, the Soviet Union was never sure that the French would not be so crazy in the event of a conflict to press a button."

Such uncertainty is of great importance for deterring the enemy,
Klaus Wittmann summarized.
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  1. Barshchik-M
    Barshchik-M 3 November 2017 16: 21 New
    47
    That we were naive! We nearly drowned in blood ... We didn’t even have such losses in the Second World War ..!
    And we hoped for Germany (Putin was expecting this) that she would at least tacitly support us ... Alas, they were mistaken! We Germans will still remember all this ..
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 3 November 2017 16: 23 New
      19
      Germany’s defense budget should grow from 1,2% to 2% of GDP by 2024, which means that “Germany will become Europe’s largest military power in six years, since no one except the USA and China spends more than € 75 billion a year for the army. "

      Wars are not won as a percentage of GDP ...
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 3 November 2017 16: 33 New
        24
        German historian: the West was naive, hoping that Russia will become a partner

        Yeah! Also say that a passive partner !? fool
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 3 November 2017 16: 47 New
          17
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Yeah! Also say that a passive partner !?

          Yes, in itself, the abalone measures.
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 3 November 2017 18: 05 New
            14
            Oh my god, what a nasty thing. I still don’t understand, are these two mummers or two old women? Children, look and shake on the mustache, this is what tolerance brings to.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 3 November 2017 20: 59 New
              +5
              This German pseudo “historian” and retired general Klaus Wittmann is nothing more than German McCain No. 2 demagogue to the public!
              He and the American McCain are one provocative deceitful team: against Russia, and against Poland, and against the Baltic countries - and against their own Germany!
              In general, he is an American henchman! And something else is being discussed there about some kind of “partnership” between Russia and Germany and other countries, being personally under the heel of Washington with its Pentagon!
          2. Andrey K
            Andrey K 3 November 2017 18: 26 New
            13
            Quote: 79807420129
            ... Yes, in itself, the abalone measures ...

            retired general Klaus Wittmann
            ... atomic bombs that can be transported on our Tornado bombers if necessary ...

            Little bit ... His predecessors from Vemakhta tried to transport, few lyuli were taken from our grandfathers. Now it begs for another plop, the history of this "historian" has not taught anything ...
            Retired general Klaus Wittmann - retired general of what? The organization, which is "commanded" by the minister-gynecologist?
            The Germans are good soldiers, that is, that is, or rather it was. They turned into a rainbow gutter (I would say as it is, but the moderators do not miss these words), but all the same - Drang nach Osten blather ...
          3. Petrik66
            Petrik66 4 November 2017 14: 19 New
            +1
            Abomination, I understand that the enemy must be known in person. But it’s painfully mkrzko. I sat drinking beer, read the site, but here - I was almost sick
        2. Peter lost weight
          Peter lost weight 4 November 2017 06: 01 New
          0
          that is what he is talking about. they don’t need others
      2. Logall
        Logall 3 November 2017 16: 34 New
        23
        He says that they will expand while Russia remains a threat to NATO!
        So all Those who are not a threat are already under NATO! A threat to them is perceived that they cannot destroy ... And what is not a threat is already destroyed ...
        Conclusion: NATO Threat! For everything, even for ourselves ...
        1. Masya masya
          Masya masya 3 November 2017 17: 11 New
          +5
          Given:
          Quote: Logall
          Those who are not a threat are already under NATO!

          In the task:
          Quote: Logall
          A threat to them is perceived that they cannot destroy

          Answer:
          Quote: Logall
          A threat to them is perceived that they cannot destroy

          The problem is solved purely mathematically ... good
        2. CAT BAIYUN
          CAT BAIYUN 3 November 2017 20: 15 New
          +4
          He says that they will expand while Russia remains a threat to NATO!

          .. So they expand and have nowhere ... If only in depth .... From here we will help!
      3. Shura Perm
        Shura Perm 3 November 2017 16: 34 New
        10
        it’s we who are naive that we contacted the Kidalavs from Europe and the United States ...
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 3 November 2017 17: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: Shura Perm
          it’s we who are naive that we contacted the Kidalavs from Europe and the United States ...

          On the thief and the hat is on. This pseudo historian for some reason did not remember how the west promised not to spread NATO to the east. You need to stop playing by their rules, and set your own.
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 3 November 2017 18: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Shura Perm
          it’s we who are naive that we contacted the Kidalavs from Europe and the United States ...

          I understand the meaning of what was said, that they are naive, that the Russians will always be naive. Yeah, right now, only special irons for ironing the laces will wait and immediately become so naive
          It would be better if they thought about the Poles, who always pretend to be naive and wait for an opportunity
    2. 210ox
      210ox 3 November 2017 16: 33 New
      +5
      Not naive, Vitaly .. And loyal hands-leaders, -labeled and drunk ..
      Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
      That we were naive! We nearly drowned in blood ... We didn’t even have such losses in the Second World War ..!
      And we hoped for Germany (Putin was expecting this) that she would at least tacitly support us ... Alas, they were mistaken! We Germans will still remember all this ..
      1. Logall
        Logall 3 November 2017 16: 43 New
        14
        Quote: 210ox
        devotees

        I would even say - “transmitted”! With all the bowels, with giblets ...
      2. Barshchik-M
        Barshchik-M 3 November 2017 17: 57 New
        11
        Quote: 210ox
        Not naive, Vitaly .. And loyal hands-leaders, -labeled and drunk ..

        Well, who then knew that they would betray him like that .. soldier
        Now it’s already on the alert ... I want to shoot, damn it and wave the saber with a sprain for all OUR!
        We will not die alive .. soldier

        Love this video, soothing .. hi
        1. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 4 November 2017 19: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
          Quote: 210ox
          Not naive, Vitaly .. And loyal hands-leaders, -labeled and drunk ..

          Well, who then knew that they would betray him like that .. soldier
          Now it’s already on the alert ... I want to shoot, damn it and wave the saber with a sprain for all OUR!
          We will not die alive .. soldier

          Love this video, soothing .. hi

          Thank you for the video. And here’s how I started to look, let’s go the Cossack song, so I remembered the Cossack parade on May 9, 2014 in Perevalsk ...
          I love this video ... And let all German "historians" go through the woods ...
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 3 November 2017 16: 46 New
      10
      German historian: the West was naive, hoping that Russia will become a partner
      Yeah, all the nineties we tore to pieces, taking out the most valuable and destroying the competitive. False .......... you go with such a partnership to a well-known Russian address and grab your friends from behind a large puddle.
      1. Logall
        Logall 3 November 2017 16: 52 New
        12
        The Germans have long been at this place, with friends from behind puddles, sitting! At the `` partners '' it is so customary ...
    4. skullcap
      skullcap 3 November 2017 16: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
      That we were naive! A little blood not choked ...

      The whole famous story - from Lake Peipsi to the Hitlerite attack - the West wanted to make Russia its "partner" within the framework of the "Drang nah Osten" policy. How he did it with the people of India and the rest of Asia, America, Africa and Australia.
      It must be admitted that to 90 and ours, a part of the people became naive and believed in the West. But his life quickly brainwashed.
      1. japs
        japs 3 November 2017 19: 10 New
        +5
        Unfortunately, not everyone. Washed thoroughly the brains of hamsters, preschool anal prove it.
        Many idiots and new ones are joining them under the influence of liberal chatter for Western freedoms and "values" pouring from all the media.
      2. Barshchik-M
        Barshchik-M 3 November 2017 20: 24 New
        +7
        Quote: kosopuz
        It must be admitted that to 90 and ours, a part of the people became naive and believed in the West. But his life quickly brainwashed.

        The majority of the population, yes, but Moscow continues to fatten, mocking us .. With our salaries and pensions for which you can buy two cocktails in a club and restaurant .. Padla!
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 4 November 2017 00: 43 New
          +2
          And if you add a salary with a pension, then you will love Moscow? You drive the snowstorm, Vitalik, and sedition! Do you think in Moscow money grows on trees? But nothing that travel by minibus in Moscow costs 50-60 rubles, but in Kostroma, for example 17?
          Not everyone there is fattening. But thieves and prokhindeyev everywhere enough.
        2. Petrik66
          Petrik66 4 November 2017 14: 22 New
          0
          Come to Moscow and reap. I want to see.
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 3 November 2017 17: 13 New
      +4
      In February 2011, the Helsinki Conference "The Baltic Region 20 years after the collapse of the USSR: expectations, realities, prospects."
      "Klaus Wittmann (Germany), retired brigadier general, director of academic planning for the NATO Defense College in Rome in 2005-2008. He acknowledged that there is debate in NATO about various security concepts and the alliance is late in responding to Dmitry Medvedev's initiative." The fragility of "relations with Russia determines the general desire to avoid any anti-Russian context in strategic development. According to Dr. Wittmann, the termination of the Russia-NATO Council in 2008 was a mistake, and the" reset "is an unimportant metaphor that does not provide precise guidelines : "We need a program that would clearly recognize NATO’s responsibility for worsening relations with Russia. We need to seriously look for a common agenda. "
      Describing the relations between NATO and Russia, General Wittmann regretted: "We lost for many years, the Geschichtspolitik prevented us," that is, the use of history for political purposes. "
      Where is this German weather vane sincere ????
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 3 November 2017 23: 36 New
        +6
        Weather vane, one word. Old goats .. got bored retiring.
        I really liked about We participate only in the NATO Nuclear Planning Group - The Germans are only there on the threshold and allowed - to listen to the command. Old storyteller ...
    6. Kent0001
      Kent0001 3 November 2017 17: 46 New
      +2
      He's just a Russophobian idiot piece and that's it. Dude and his reasoning are nothing at all. We are going further.
    7. forester
      forester 3 November 2017 17: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
      That we were naive! We nearly drowned in blood ... We didn’t even have such losses in the Second World War ..!
      And we hoped for Germany (Putin was expecting this) that she would at least tacitly support us ... Alas, they were mistaken! We Germans will still remember all this ..

      I agree - for a long time we tried to become full partners with the international community, but this stinking community wanted and wants to see us in the form of vassals at best, and not to see at worst.
    8. askme
      askme 3 November 2017 17: 47 New
      +5
      This is probably due to great "naivety", did General Clark give General Michael Jackson the order to attack the Russian paratroopers in Pristina in Kosovo-1999? two-faced villains .. For your happiness, Michael Jackson wasn’t so frostbitten, he didn’t follow the order of the crazy “naive” Yankee ... Since then, all the blame is on you, unanimous “partners”, already choking on the blood of your victims all over the world, so you’ll drown in it, there’s a way for you, and Russia has nothing to do with it — all your own business is too late to throw the blame on the innocent, you have already been caught many times ....
    9. antivirus
      antivirus 3 November 2017 17: 59 New
      +1
      the capture of Crimea by Putin was a complete surprise for German intelligence.
      and the coup in Kiev too overslept or knew about it?
      Mishutka will be buried in Bavaria, in the Stavropol Territory there is nothing for him to lie
    10. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 3 November 2017 19: 51 New
      +1
      Russia (USSR) left the GDR .. Not taking anything in return. No guarantees that NATO will not advance to its borders, nor compensation for damage resulting from the withdrawal of troops from Germany. The partner keeps his word. This is a matter of honor! And they used us, then, as they wiped their feet on a rag, and now they still reproach them.
    11. den3080
      den3080 3 November 2017 20: 03 New
      0
      Yes do not give a damn)) grandfather Klaus is trying to comply with the precepts of Grandfather Michael, which his father carefully gave him))
      Wittmann - a famous surname, heavy German divisions rave from generation to generation))
    12. ronin
      ronin 5 November 2017 19: 36 New
      0
      He just slammed Putin’s performance at Valdai 2017. And he’s proud ...
  2. Scoun
    Scoun 3 November 2017 16: 22 New
    14
    Here is a German log ...

    Not only Germany, but the whole West was naive, hoping that Russia would become its partner, German historian and retired general Klaus Wittmann told Rzeczpospolita.

    So blatantly lying !!!
    This Russia allowed you to reunite without any conditions, it was the USSR who believed empty promises that NATO would not expand to the East, we believed that the West wanted to help us and not to rob !!!
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 3 November 2017 17: 33 New
      10
      Quote: Scoun
      This Russia allowed you to reunite without any conditions, it was the USSR who believed empty promises that NATO would not expand to the East, we believed that the West wanted to help us and not to rob !!!

      Throw you these presidential little things - anonymity. In every act there is a fault of a particular person. We are to blame for what happened with Our Motherland. We scared and betrayed our fathers, who built our country and defended it from enemies. Our Russian Avos allowed a bunch of insoles with wide muzzles to simply rob us and our children of what was rightfully ours. How this was done is another question. Only our cowardice allowed us to take away a fair future from our children.
      Wanted freedom? Now you can hear in all instances: "FREE!" And it was not the West that forced us to throw ballots in the ballot box, and it was not the United States that kept our mouths shut when enterprises bought up pennies for the purpose of tearing them apart. And now, beautiful words about the valor of our army are trying to drown out the lawlessness and outright rudeness of the authorities in relation to their people.
      The example is short. In Kuzbass, the governor announced an increase in salaries to state employees:
      http://kemoblast.ru/news/e-konomika/2017/08/30/za
      rplata-rabotnikam-byudzhetnoj-sfery-kuzbassa-bude
      t-povyshena.html

      Zero all over the face. But the report has already left. And the controllers are designated.
      So, a start has been made. With the rudeness on the streets, the social movement Stop-Ham is fighting. Apparently the time is approaching, when we will solve state issues at the veche or popular rally.
      If the West is not a partner to us (to us - ordinary citizens of Russia), then with people with a big moshny they find a common language quite easily ...
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 3 November 2017 23: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Esoteric
        Throw you these presidential little things - anonymity. In every act there is a fault of a particular person. We are to blame for what happened with Our Motherland.

        And you read it again.
        Quote: Scoun
        This Russia allowed

        No?
        Quote: Scoun
        it is the USSR believed

        No?
        Quote: Scoun
        we believed that the west wants to help us and not to rob !!!

        No?
        Who did I miss?
  3. Partyzan
    Partyzan 3 November 2017 16: 22 New
    +6
    According to him, “those who claim that the Baltic countries cannot be defended are wrong, because West Berlin also seemed impossible to defend, but the Soviet Union did not attack him: after all, American, British and French forces were based there.” Similarly, the situation is now with the Baltic countries.
    looks at the root, but did we need him? well, like the paltes laughing
  4. Stas157
    Stas157 3 November 2017 16: 22 New
    +5
    Not only Germany, but the whole West was naive, hoping that Russia would become its partner, said German historian and retired general Klaus Wittmann

    Strange why would this be? And, here for Russia, the West and the USA, and are still partners!
  5. win
    win 3 November 2017 16: 23 New
    +8
    They are going to defend Poland, and it requires reparations for World War II.
    Where is the logic?
  6. Vend
    Vend 3 November 2017 16: 23 New
    +9
    Naturally. The partner in the concept of the West is a colony without independence, voting rights and its own resources.
  7. sergo1914
    sergo1914 3 November 2017 16: 24 New
    +1
    German historian-general. Each word in itself sounds normal. Combine this into a single phrase. Ahhhhhhh !!! My eyes! Why did I read this ??? !!!
  8. vorobey
    vorobey 3 November 2017 16: 25 New
    +8
    Just unlike Ukraine, we do not agree that Europe should have us as its member .. laughing

    “Europe is important to have Ukraine as a member - Lennmarker .. laughing

    or what kind of partnership are we talking about?
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 3 November 2017 17: 09 New
      +2
      I apologize of course, but, but does Europe eat THIS MOST? laughing
      Probably this process should be called somehow differently.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 3 November 2017 17: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: Hagalaz
        I apologize of course, but, but does Europe eat THIS MOST? laughing
        Probably this process should be called somehow differently.


        And they don’t need this ... they have Americans .. laughing laughing
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 3 November 2017 17: 25 New
          +2
          Yes, here I am about the same. It’s like a circle of American fans of this very thing turned out! laughing
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 3 November 2017 17: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: Hagalaz
            Yes, here I am about the same. It’s like a circle of American fans of this very thing turned out! laughing


            so that's what they call the american dream .. laughing laughing
            1. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 3 November 2017 17: 39 New
              +1
              Yeah. It turns out that the American dream is to have a circle of admirers. lol
  9. shans2
    shans2 3 November 2017 16: 26 New
    +9
    The West hoped to rob Russia after the collapse of the USSR for tens and hundreds of years, it was in the 90s that Europe got rich and ate sweetly, like the United States, but something went wrong in the 2000s, free energy for beads suddenly stopped flowing to the West .... and here also the market has covered up ... in general, the Germans have never lived so badly as under Putin ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 3 November 2017 16: 31 New
      +8
      Quote: shans2
      In general, the Germans have never lived so badly as under Putin ...


      that the Russian is good - the German is death .. laughing

      Otto Von Bismarck

      “Do not hope that once you take advantage of the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever ... When the Russians come, do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you allegedly justify you ... It’s worth playing with the Russians honestly or not at all”

      “Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the collapse of Russia. The Russians, even if they are subsequently separated by international treaties, will also quickly reunite with each other, as the separated drops of mercury find this way to each other. ”
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 3 November 2017 17: 46 New
        +1
        All this is so, it is a pity that we are only talking about historical processes, but they are somewhat different from human processes. Unfortunately, we may not wait for the results. Or maybe we'll see. Interesting!
  10. izya top
    izya top 3 November 2017 16: 27 New
    +5
    for the west, the partner is who they use as they want and when they want negative no, partnership between yourself stop
    how to warm -... each other, and money in a mug repeat
  11. Altona
    Altona 3 November 2017 16: 28 New
    +2
    The old stump-servant expressed another batch of propaganda platitudes. What can I comment on here?
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 3 November 2017 16: 31 New
    +9
    What the hell is this?
    When we were just in a hickey with the West, our politicians fulfilled any desire, for some reason we did not become Singapore or Switzerland. They threw us rudely for money, destroyed industry, sawed the country, but it turned out that the West was just naive?
    In the West, historians went on a par with politicians !!!
  13. Old military officer
    Old military officer 3 November 2017 16: 39 New
    +6
    Yes, the West hoped that Russia would become such a partner that would helpfully fulfill all the wishes of the EU. It did not grow together. This is precisely his naivety. And this retired general should read the history of the last war, although he is a general, and he knows what. The NATO propaganda serves to shed balm on the wounds of the lords who have always been beaten by everyone.
  14. Masya masya
    Masya masya 3 November 2017 16: 42 New
    +7
    fool
    Germany and all of NATO are doing too little to defend Poland and the Baltic countries from Russia.

    Well, the attempt is not torture ... go for it ... do not blame me if you hit me with a rebound ... yes
  15. assa67
    assa67 3 November 2017 16: 44 New
    +4
    the west has always written history for itself. so you should not pay attention to the opuses of the next flattened senile
  16. Aspid 57
    Aspid 57 3 November 2017 16: 49 New
    +5
    Strange ... it seemed to me that the German generals were smarter.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 3 November 2017 16: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Aspid 57
      Strange ... it seemed to me that the German generals were smarter.


      This is the smartest of them. Historian.
  17. Langf
    Langf 3 November 2017 16: 58 New
    +2
    And when they “hoped that Russia would become a partner”, they didn’t accidentally unmount their “nature” due to their good-neighborly “naive” maliciousness? .. No?!. Why is it so?
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 3 November 2017 17: 02 New
      +2
      I’m thinking, but the story is spiraling, the second wall in the middle of Berlin will stand again and it’s time to look at which area to take for another edification ..
      1. japs
        japs 3 November 2017 19: 23 New
        +6
        The wall will be twice as high.
  18. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 3 November 2017 17: 05 New
    +3
    The French acquired nuclear weapons purely from the Gallic aplomb (in the wake of both world wars - like - we also defeated everyone !!!). While the general was in power, he knew what to do with this demon. But with each new republic by numbering, France is becoming more and more zakuhanista and less authoritative. I really want to steer in the world, but there is no authority, no colonies. Even the last three presidents do not even have the willpower to remind them of their nuclear weapons.
    PS By the way, the last of the crazy ideas from France is to remove the veto from the UN. Who submits such an idea is right, the one who himself is not sure of his competence. Well this is necessary - in 1945, people were invited to a reputable club, despite imprudent actions (to put it bluntly - betrayal), and here they are pigs. What there Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité !!!
    1. japs
      japs 3 November 2017 19: 28 New
      +6
      Try to find a Frenchman in France. You are tortured to sort out these Arabs, Gypsies, Italians, coupled with Ukrainians, Armenians and other Africans. The French have already outlived their age ...
      Macaron - zilch (bunch) from de Gaulle.
  19. poquello
    poquello 3 November 2017 17: 06 New
    +1
    in February 2007, I warned that Germany and all of NATO are doing too little to defend Poland and the Baltic countries from Russia

    and sho? are we there already?
  20. Per se.
    Per se. 3 November 2017 17: 12 New
    +6
    "German historian" ... In principle, in the part of the comments made here, one way or another, the majority was close to my attitude to the topic, especially Roman (Scoun). All this whining of European jackals to their overseas master, nevertheless, not everyone in Europe likes it, there are many clever and decent people among the same Germans. Moreover, it is Germany that is for us the country with which we need to look for common geopolitical points for cooperation and alliance with those forces in Germany who are interested to throw off the actual occupation of the country to the present time by States that are interested to get out of the Holuy fairway for the Yankees. The Germans are not mongrels of the Balts, or God offended by Poland’s greatness, with its inferiority complexes and envy of Russia, the Germans, especially educated and sympathetic to the times of the GDR, is the force with which Russia can and should look for priority relations in partnership. And do not hesitate to remind here once again that Russia liberated Germany from Nazism, that Russia suffered the most from the attack of the Nazis, that Russia allowed Germany to unite, and Russia withdrew its troops, although it had all the rights under the treaties to leave its military grouping in Germany . We are not vile and deceitful Anglo-Saxons, and the Germans themselves understand this, we just need to remind them more often and rely on those forces in Germany that are close to us, beneficial. But such "historians" and other political henpecked US, the Germans themselves throw off, smear with resin and roll in feathers.
  21. Doliva63
    Doliva63 3 November 2017 17: 12 New
    +9
    The last Germans, friends with their heads, lived in the GDR.
  22. duchy
    duchy 3 November 2017 17: 14 New
    +1
    Are they --- there’s absolutely no substance in the skull ?? wassat Two world wars unleashed and still require that we go on their subject recourse If they want, then we will come, but we will not repeat the mistakes of history. am
  23. Going
    Going 3 November 2017 17: 15 New
    +9
    Where will we locate all these airports that we will have to buy in order to use 75 billion euros. "


    Oh we would have your problems.
  24. Stiletto_711
    Stiletto_711 3 November 2017 17: 18 New
    +1
    Oh well ... we’ll not take Berlin for the third time, we’ll put radioactive into slag and everything yes
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 3 November 2017 17: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Stilett_71
      Oh well ... we’ll not take Berlin for the third time, we’ll put radioactive into slag and everything yes


      cruel you ... although the city of federal significance Berlin sounds ... dv and a Mercedes-Russian car .. also not bad .. laughing
      1. Viktor is the winner
        Viktor is the winner 4 November 2017 09: 58 New
        0
        After the victory, we will return everything again, sooner or later, but the idea (Europe is part of Russia) torments me for many years. And you need to be tougher in vast territories.
  25. Sergey53
    Sergey53 3 November 2017 17: 21 New
    +3
    This WE were naive as children. They destroyed everything that was agreed upon and what the Americans asked us to do. Although they did not fall under the contract. We were asked and we agreed with their requests. We requested that NATO not expand eastward. They agreed. But as soon as we destroyed the missiles, eastward expansion was forgotten instantly. And it turns out they hear about it for the first time. There you go. And on other issues it is not better if you dig.
  26. GIN
    GIN 3 November 2017 17: 25 New
    0
    Mishka was torn as a sexual partner as they wanted; only Russians disagree
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  28. Alena767
    Alena767 3 November 2017 17: 42 New
    +5
    After the phrase, Russia attacked Georgia in 2008. I did not read further the stupid propaganda bullshit of this Nazi h # ma.
  29. begemot20091
    begemot20091 3 November 2017 17: 43 New
    +1

    are we offered to storm the Reichstag again?
    1. Viktor is the winner
      Viktor is the winner 4 November 2017 10: 05 New
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      Not the Reichstag, but the capital of foggy Albion, so it will be for sure.
  30. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 3 November 2017 17: 51 New
    0
    “What am I talking about?” The old man asked the public with bulging eyes ...
  31. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 3 November 2017 17: 56 New
    +1
    The Poles are stupid if they rejoice in the increase in military power in Germany. They would first look at the map, and then compare it with a map of, say, 1938, or 1913. If any of these people have brains, then maybe they will turn on and vague suspicions arise - what (to whom) this power will be directed after some time.
    Russian threat? It’s a wonderful justification for Germany to increase military spending, and then - military strength will appear, and the enemy can be changed quickly enough (six months of the propaganda machine work - maximum), moreover, the Poles, with their ambition, themselves with enthusiasm provide reasons for hatred to all their neighbors and distant neighbors.
  32. Wedmak
    Wedmak 3 November 2017 18: 00 New
    0
    those who claim that the Baltic countries cannot be defended are wrong, because West Berlin also seemed impossible to defend, but the Soviet Union did not attack him: after all, American, British and French forces were based there

    Already choked on a cookie. Seriously? They generally have a roof trip.
  33. Served once
    Served once 3 November 2017 18: 10 New
    +1
    It seems the elderly herr bleached by gray hairs. And revered no, 100% 3.14 ... s.
    1. Sergey Solovyov
      Sergey Solovyov 4 November 2017 18: 56 New
      0
      Not really that vile Jew.
  34. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 3 November 2017 18: 14 New
    0
    And this is the future province of Turkey, our threat? Soon, there will be no “natives” left, only Turks and Arabs will be. This is a threat to them.
  35. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 3 November 2017 18: 19 New
    +1
    Putin began a war with Georgia?
    What parallel universe did this unfinished bosh crawl out of?
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  36. K-50
    K-50 3 November 2017 18: 21 New
    +2
    Germany, but the whole West was naive, hoping that Russia would become its partner, said German historian and retired general Klaus Wittmann

    Another moron drawn? belay
    This Russia and the Russians were naive and thought that the confrontation and confrontation ended in connection with the change of state system. The army, navy, aviation, and defense industry were immensely reduced. But the West thought that we were making concessions because of our weakness. So it was at first. After the defeat of Yugoslavia, the expansion of NATO to the East of Europe, the impudent behavior of the “partners”, it became clear that they would talk to us only when they saw our strength, when they realized that if something went against our opinion, the West would raid ", only then did the base for equal cooperation arise. And the continuation of the confrontation is entirely on the conscience of the “partners,” and not Russia's fault at all.
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  38. unignm
    unignm 3 November 2017 18: 26 New
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    We were all naive, hoping that Russia would actually become a partner of the West
    but as we hoped. and go to the horseradish burger point.
  39. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 3 November 2017 18: 28 New
    +1
    Hmm, here she began to show the real skin of a follower of Hitler. And with all our open souls we gave them East Germany, against the will of most Europeans reunited both Germany. After all, in Ukraine, Germany actually gave the command "face" to its neighbors previously planned by Uncle Sam, which prevented the US from further plans to occupy Crimea
  40. Monarchist
    Monarchist 3 November 2017 18: 53 New
    +1
    Well, all the formidable Wittmann will defend the Baltic states.: "West Berlin also seemed impossible to defend," but we wanted to capture him? The Livans and Panamas felt better: General Wittmann himself confirmed that we want to capture.
    General, and who was your Grandfather, perhaps Goebbels's assistant or an ordinary bandit from the Wehrmacht? Or maybe in a waffen SS? In any case, he raked in full
  41. japs
    japs 3 November 2017 18: 54 New
    +4
    “Those who claim that the Baltic countries cannot be defended are wrong, because West Berlin also seemed impossible to defend, but the Soviet Union did not attack him: after all, American, British and French forces were based there”
    Does this say retired general and historian?
    Does he have dementia for the rest of his head?
    Epic nonsense and nonsense!
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 3 November 2017 19: 02 New
      0
      The Poles are stupid if they rejoice in the increase in military power in Germany. They would first look at the map, and then compare it with a map of, say, 1938, or 1913. If any of these people have brains, then maybe they will turn on and vague suspicions arise - what (to whom) this power will be directed after some time.


      I talked with a clearly not stupid Pole. To my question, if Ukraine gives a crack to Lviv, then rush to take it, will you tear up the ass? But he told me that no, we are afraid for Gdansk (Danzig). So here ....
  42. anjey
    anjey 3 November 2017 19: 08 New
    +2
    German historian: the West was naive, hoping that Russia will become a partner
    It seems more like a German is naive, the West does not need Russia as an equal partner, it’s a no brainer, but not an idealistic German ... what kind of historian he is, if he doesn’t know history, the West has always let down and betrayed Russia when it was its ally .. .
  43. Berkut24
    Berkut24 3 November 2017 19: 26 New
    +2
    A German historian who does not remember history is naive. A country that is constantly trying to tear and appropriate its resources cannot be a partner. She can be either a victim or an adversary. And so it will be until the West itself wants to be a real partner of Russia. Dude studied at the University of Soros?
  44. faterdom
    faterdom 3 November 2017 22: 06 New
    +5
    Yes, we were wrong! At the end of WWII, the "allies" were not determined to revive or restore Germany in any form, only crushing into second-class Bavaria, Saxony and other Schleswig. And we are for the revival, as a result of the butting, on the lands of the allied occupation, the Federal Republic of Germany was created, in response - on the lands of the Soviet occupation - the GDR. West Berlin - the land occupied by our armies, but transferred to the alliance sectors of occupation lasted in controversial status for the entire time the two Germans existed, until Gorbi merged the GDR in full (without any fig leaflets like “referenda” - they just gave it up to the Anschluss !! !)
    Why the Anglo-Saxons did not want the revival of their enemy and rival during the last century is understandable. But why are some German historians so blatantly inadequate? After all, now over the past hundred years we have already become 300% convinced - we don’t need any such Germany either, and God forbid to take part in any war against us again — we will arrange a desert for them or let them run for the Atlantic — no Germany at our side we will no longer tolerate!
  45. Holsten
    Holsten 3 November 2017 22: 26 New
    +1
    The West was naive, hoping that Russia would want to become a slave!
  46. Lanatrade
    Lanatrade 3 November 2017 23: 28 New
    +2
    "Partner" is the one who have an uncomfortable position? Do not wait). So grandfather Freud ... already tired of the paranoid nonsense about Russia's "lust" for Poland and the Baltic states. To the campaign, they give out their own dreams and fantasies as reality. Dreaming). No, ladies and gentlemen of the Geyropeans, you are somehow there yourself-yourself-yourself, among themselves, quickly, quickly.
  47. mss001
    mss001 4 November 2017 01: 51 New
    0
    Indeed, the West was naive if it thought that Russia would forever kneel before him and would lick him all the dirtiest places. Only Westerners could hope so. Scoundrels.
  48. LeonidL
    LeonidL 4 November 2017 03: 50 New
    +2
    The stupidity of the generals is particularly evident after their resignation!
  49. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 4 November 2017 08: 05 New
    0
    Interestingly: what role should Russia play? How are gay passive?
  50. Serge2068
    Serge2068 4 November 2017 08: 29 New
    +1
    And is this a historian? A hard case. Poor Germany, if there are such historians .....