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Russia and Ukraine can resume cooperation on An-124 – 100

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The conflict between Russia and Ukraine over the extension of the airworthiness of the Ruslan aircraft (An-124 – 100) can be resolved peacefully - being in a dead end following mutual threats, the parties nevertheless began closed negotiations on the resumption of cooperation. Kommersant with reference to knowledgeable sources.




“GP Antonov” may agree to extend the airworthiness of the aircraft of the Russian company Volga-Dnepr in Ulyanovsk, although the cooperation of countries in the aviation industry is demonstratively interrupted after the annexation of the Crimea. In return, Kiev can receive documentation to extend the life of the Il-76 aircraft, ”the newspaper writes.

Both sides are interested in reaching an agreement, but the final decision has not yet been made because of the complicated relationship between the two countries. While there is an understanding of the cost of services and the location of the work: the team of the Ukrainian enterprise will take care of them at the Aviastar-SP plant in Ulyanovsk,
said the source of the publication.

The “Kommersant” interlocutor in the Russian aviation industry is convinced that Kiev’s possible involvement of the Antonov state enterprise in the work on the results of the new negotiations is more necessary for Moscow than for Moscow.

Since 2016, the Ukrainian enterprise has not produced a single aircraft, and the maintenance of the airworthiness of the “Ruslans” for them is some kind of money,
he said.

A source close to the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers expressed the hope that the agreements will eventually be concluded, unless "the Verkhovna Rada puts political expediency above common sense."

We motivate the agreement by the fact that the Il-76MD transport workers that we have, as well as those in service with the Ukrainian Air Force, are the intellectual property of the Ilyushin Design Bureau,
explained the source.

According to him, if the Ukrainian side "rests on Ruslans", then in response it may receive problems on IL-76, for the extension of the resource which requires documentation of the Russian design bureau.
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  1. assa67
    assa67 3 November 2017 12: 51 New
    +7
    I think this is impossible, while in kuev this power ....
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 November 2017 12: 53 New
      +4
      In my opinion, the wolf in the forest died .. How did the Amersans allow THIS ..
      Quote: assa67
      I think this is impossible, while in kuev this power ....
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 3 November 2017 13: 29 New
        +3
        Antonov is Russian and his planes are Russian. We need to do what we need, despite the cries of non-Russians. Need documentation - get it. There are tons of ways. The easiest is to buy.
        Sanctions are an indicator that mattresses clog up to all arrangements and do what is beneficial to them.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 3 November 2017 14: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Antonov is Russian and his planes are Russian.

          Antonov - SOVIET aircraft designer and his SOVIET aircraft. In 1989, according to the census, there were 128 nationalities in the USSR.
          1. Dashout
            Dashout 4 November 2017 19: 20 New
            +3
            Who is against? Of course! Russia is the successor of the USSR
    2. Jedi
      Jedi 3 November 2017 12: 55 New
      +8
      Either this is a “stuffing” (taking into account the reputation of the Merchant), or the parties put their ambitions in the ass and began to agree.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 November 2017 13: 01 New
        +1
        Jedi Today, 12: 55 ↑ New
        Either this is a “stuffing” (taking into account the reputation of the Merchant), or the parties put their ambitions in the ass and began to agree.

        hi ! ... yes to the merchant to slander misinformation - it will not be difficult ...
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 3 November 2017 13: 05 New
          +8
          these can
          Quote: aszzz888
          Jedi Today, 12: 55 ↑ New
          Either this is a “stuffing” (taking into account the reputation of the Merchant), or the parties put their ambitions in the ass and began to agree.

          hi ! ... yes to the merchant to slander misinformation - it will not be difficult ...
        2. Jedi
          Jedi 3 November 2017 13: 05 New
          +4
          hi That's why I do not want to rush to conclusions - we will wait for confirmation or refutation from a more authoritative source.
        3. The comment was deleted.
      2. Romanenko
        Romanenko 3 November 2017 13: 10 New
        0
        Yes, the source is Kommersant, extremely unreliable, maybe a stuffing, why only?
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 3 November 2017 13: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Romanenko
          why only?

          Raising the rating, and it is still quite possible that the material will be paid for.
      3. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 3 November 2017 17: 24 New
        +6
        Jedi, the wave has already gone: In Ukraine, they demanded an investigation because of Antonov’s servicing of aircraft from Russia - the next step is simply to redeem Antonov and forget about the 404s
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 3 November 2017 19: 11 New
          +5
          Its pots would be sold for nothing to any Honduras rather than to komunyaks. negative
    3. Vend
      Vend 3 November 2017 13: 29 New
      0
      Quote: assa67
      I think this is impossible, while in kuev this power ....

      This is possible only if the plant with its adjacent area becomes part of Russia.
    4. Chestnut
      Chestnut 3 November 2017 14: 23 New
      +2
      Oh my God, ours caved in before Ukraine.
      Really can not establish production !?
      Yes, they pass on our documents!
      What a disgrace! Shame on you, no words.
      1. dauria
        dauria 3 November 2017 15: 11 New
        +2
        Oh my God, ours caved in before Ukraine.
        Really can not establish production !?


        If the Ruslans hadn’t flown abroad, there would have been no questions. Do what you like at home. And so - sorry. After all, we, too, are not letting ourselves in anyway with wings. A plane is not only a piece of iron, but a bunch of documents to it.
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 3 November 2017 21: 38 New
      0
      While the parties are trying to agree, planes are born ....
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 4 November 2017 19: 10 New
        0
        Now it’s such a time that money rules politics, and not vice versa. Our sovereign Peter the First, the kingdom to him heavenly, used to say: "Outright sell your shirt to foreigners, and give me money for the army!" What are we? Are Millionaires Already? And we do not need money? Hm ...
  2. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 3 November 2017 12: 58 New
    +3
    This cannot be done, it is a betrayal of Russia's national interests. Damn our power if this treaty happens.
    1. avt
      avt 3 November 2017 13: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Eugene RS
      This cannot be done, it is a betrayal of Russia's national interests. Damn our power if this treaty happens.
      fool
      Damn that day when I sat behind the steering wheel of this vacuum cleaner! A geek in a glorious family of internal combustion engines! Let his carburetor dry for ever and ever!

      Urgently to a specialist! Let the shot soothing.
      Quote: Jedi
      Raising the rating, and it is still quite possible that the material will be paid for.

      A search engine to work on the topic of a certificate such as an aircraft from the Design Bureau, not hunting? Of course you can like Rogozin on Twitter about the trampoline and the fact that this piece of paper will be written on IL. Yes, byad-ah-it’s possible to write it out and preferably on toilet paper, because with it there’s no way further than the water closet ,, Volga-Dnieper “with 124 people after the expiration of the validity period of the previous written out by Antonov.” As well as the Velikoukrov on the IL-76 for civilian cargo transportation in the World.
      1. Evgeny RS
        Evgeny RS 3 November 2017 14: 02 New
        +1
        Thanks for the clarification
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 3 November 2017 16: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: avt
        A search engine to work on the topic of a certificate such as an aircraft from the Design Bureau, not hunting?

        What for? The main thing is "Urya!" scream out.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 November 2017 12: 58 New
    +1
    unless the Verkhovna Rada does not will put political expediency is above common sense. ”

    ... you can have no doubt - put ... bully
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 3 November 2017 13: 04 New
      +3
      one hope for joy
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 3 November 2017 13: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      .. you can be sure - he will.

      Lyashko will “unexpectedly” win the lottery for the fourth time, he will ring in others’s pockets, and the Parliament will unanimously vote for an agreement to extend the Ruslan’s airworthiness. Volga-Dnepr is a private company with a turnover of 1 billion. dollars, money abounds, problems with Ukraine will be solved.
  4. Going
    Going 3 November 2017 13: 04 New
    +9
    The “Kommersant” interlocutor in the Russian aviation industry is convinced that Kiev’s possible involvement of the Antonov state enterprise in the work on the results of the new negotiations is more necessary for Moscow than for Moscow.


    Now the howl of horses will rise, they will destroy everything.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 3 November 2017 13: 35 New
      +2
      This is all nonsense, of course, because the An-124 Volga-Dnepr carries goods for the whole world, but the Ukrainian Il-76s do not fly on it, and for flights over Ukraine, the AN concocts them like Il for flights An-124 XNUMX over Russia ... so our company needs it more naturally
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 November 2017 13: 05 New
    0
    Oh, I can’t believe it ... They’ve already "frozen their ears" so many times that it’s impossible to imagine at all ...
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 3 November 2017 13: 05 New
    0
    Quote: aszzz888
    unless the Verkhovna Rada does not will put political expediency is above common sense. ”

    ... you can have no doubt - put ... bully

    Then Hercules to help them, not IL.
    Let the letachi beg for the striped owners.
  7. Romanenko
    Romanenko 3 November 2017 13: 07 New
    0
    Something is believed in a positive result with great difficulty.
    There is no doubt that Antonov is interested, ours is also interesting.
    Here is the main prediction stone.
    If Russia is interested, then a stick in a wheel will be happy along the line, even without consulting Washington.
    And they do not care that people on Antonov need jobs and salaries, the main thing is to spoil Russia!
    And Russia will manage without them if they cross the deal.
    And who is worse from this?
    Yes, Ukraine and more.
    In the Russian Federation, they can both service and reconstruct Ani to the level of their own maintenance of technical suitability.
  8. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 3 November 2017 13: 09 New
    +2
    There is no doubt that these hammers are scared to heart. They don’t care, they’ll fly at 76th anyway. But, I remember, Dima Rogozin already promised a "line of engines". In 100500 years. And how many are there, 20-30 average ILs by the 25th? Yes, she is very deep, the ass in which we find ourselves. Well, Nitsche, we’ll still buy 747 Boeings.
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 3 November 2017 13: 37 New
      +2
      For a long time with Dima they drank vodka and lalek ran in the sauna?
  9. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 3 November 2017 13: 20 New
    +1
    According to him, if the Ukrainian side "rests on Ruslans", then in response it may receive problems on IL-76, for the extension of the resource which requires documentation of the Russian design bureau.

    Skakly, until recently, actively flew on their military transport aircraft (inherited from the USSR), around the world. Google crashes and accidents with their planes and crews. But they are still stubbornly flying to An-225 and An-124 and Il-76, including Here the question is simply in the "ball" gesheft "for allegedly their" Ana "in exchange for the" good "for the operation of our" Ilov "from them.
  10. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 3 November 2017 13: 22 New
    0
    Well, you can agree when the Russian tanks will stand on the border with Poland and further along the perimeter ...
  11. Nemesis
    Nemesis 3 November 2017 13: 30 New
    +4
    I categorically oppose Russia should not get involved with Ukraine, let alone trust it in the repair of its aircraft. In addition to sabotage, these workers did not have to wait for anything, and the work of Ukrainian aircraft factories never differed in high quality. It’s enough to recall cooperation with Ukraine in Voronezh VASO, more than half of the details coming from Ukraine are either a defective marriage or a defective marriage ... Russia needs to repair aircraft on its own ...
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 3 November 2017 13: 35 New
      0
      WHAT ARE THE PLANES ????
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 3 November 2017 13: 43 New
        +2
        Ukraine sent defective products for the AN-148 to VASO, and Russia needs to repair everything that we have on its own
      2. ydjin
        ydjin 3 November 2017 13: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Captain Nemo
        WHAT ARE THE PLANES ????

        And what VNA Ukraine still has the aviation industry? You just have to admit that the outskirts have lost their competence and generally have no production rights to aircraft except for kites!
  12. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 3 November 2017 13: 35 New
    +1
    Oh well ... I don’t believe it. Svidomo break the deal on the principle of "spite grandmother frostbite ears." They want us to preserve industry
  13. iouris
    iouris 3 November 2017 14: 10 New
    +1
    This can be explained by the great interest in the services of the airline "third party", which remains in the shadows.
  14. axiles100682
    axiles100682 3 November 2017 14: 17 New
    0
    How to drink and give in Zrada these arrangements will wither and the whole Zrada will shout yet another effort.
    We need to buy out Antonov Design Bureau through a third country.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 November 2017 14: 30 New
      0
      China is doing so ... Motor Sich specialists are already there
  15. Topotun
    Topotun 3 November 2017 14: 38 New
    +1
    Do we need this? Now at least. After all, we actually pay for the signature. We do the rest ourselves. Hell knows....
  16. Sergei75
    Sergei75 3 November 2017 14: 43 New
    0
    Yes, trouble, something needs to be done with this.
  17. Old26
    Old26 3 November 2017 18: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    In my opinion, the wolf in the forest died .. How did the Amersans allow THIS ..

    Do you really think that the Americans regulate every breath in Ukraine? It is not profitable for the Americans that Kiev rested on the An-124 problem, for they also use this heavyweight ...

    Quote: Vladimir16
    Antonov is Russian and his planes are Russian. .

    Reinforced concrete logic. So if Beriev is Georgian, Miles is Jewish, Mikoyan is Amrian, Gurevich is Jewish, Nadiradze is Georgian, Khariton is Jewish, then according to your logic, flying boats are Georgian, Miles helicopters are Jewish, MIG fighters are Armenian-Jewish, missiles are Georgian, the atomic bomb is also Jewish. Maybe enough to divide into Russian is not not Russian. Antonov was a Soviet aircraft designer and the planes were Soviet. But fate turned out so that almost all the activities of the design bureau took place in Ukraine. And at the place of deployment, the design bureau became Ukrainian. Like the CB "South"

    Quote: Vladimir16
    We need to do what we need, despite the cries of non-Russians. Need documentation - get it. There are tons of ways. The easiest is to buy.

    Not the easiest - but the ONLY. Or do you propose to arrange an airborne assault on Kiev with the capture of Antonov’s archive?

    Quote: aszzz888
    Yes to the merchant to slander misinformation - it will not be difficult ...

    Central channels too? After all, this was already through many channels ... The Ukrainian government is also not opposed. Everything rests against Rada. These can bite the bit and "spite grandmother ears frost"

    Quote: Chestnut
    Oh my God, ours caved in before Ukraine.
    Really can not establish production !?
    Yes, they pass on our documents!
    What a disgrace! Shame on you, no words.

    How much expression. A carefully read the message is not given? It's about PSE, not the creation of new ones. The same problem now faces Ukraine with IL-76.

    Quote: Eugene RS
    This cannot be done, it is a betrayal of Russia's national interests. Damn our power if this treaty happens.

    Yes, let's do it. Since the use of this machine (AN-124) for Russia is a betrayal of the national interests of Russia. Let these unique planes be fun. Well, Russia's image will suffer. Russia will cease to be the owner of the most lifting aircraft in the world. Oh, nonsense ...
    1. Dashout
      Dashout 4 November 2017 19: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Old26
      Let these unique planes be fun

      Why is it funny? It is necessary to find a way out and fly (to work). In Russia, anyway. Well, you never know what PSE - and what they require for it? And anyway ... Something this duck smacks of a test throw from HSE optimizers. I remember the demoniac deputies who in 90's, 00's shouted about an urgent problem (do not care about strategy): This must be done now !!! etc.
      As with a scream, with a scream, you can comment on the situation ...
      Let them abolish all the laws adopted since the 2014 of the year and we can look at the conditions of cooperation .... Just watch for now ...
  18. groks
    groks 3 November 2017 19: 24 New
    0
    Bourgeois do not have a nationality and do not have political preferences - this makes it difficult to make a profit.
    Maybe enough to divide into Russian not Russian
    For this, the existence of the Soviet people must be recognized. And you have to somehow get out with what they have done and continue to do with these people. Then the whole independence of the current rulers will be covered.
  19. Best
    Best 3 November 2017 21: 27 New
    0
    The situation is this: Russia needs to “serve” Ruslana, but there is no license. In the same way, Khokhlostan needs to “service” the existing IL-76, but does not have a license. Mutual barter is carried out, i.e. Khokhlostan - Ruslans, and Russia - IL-76.
  20. Viktor Petrov
    Viktor Petrov 3 November 2017 21: 59 New
    0
    Another release, Khokhlov there is nothing to shine
  21. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 5 November 2017 19: 04 New
    0
    And Antonov’s GP is able to extend the airworthiness of “Ruslan” s? After all, the employees ran away - some to Russia, some to China.