“Russia for Russians”: once it was built

573
“Russia for Russians”: once it was built


November 4 Russian nationalists will again come to the "Russian marches." They will demand the construction of "Russia for the Russians", believing that this is the only way to save the Fatherland. Walking through the streets of Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities, they will not even think about the fact that the state of their dreams had already been built once. And it almost was the end of Russia.



The end of the trilogy, the beginning:

How to win the "war" in Ukraine: studying the Chechen experience

Russian global project: how to subordinate the world to your will

Russia is for russians

The idol of Russian nationalists is the emperor Alexander III. A real Russian patriot who, being offended, against Germans, Englishmen and ... for some reason Jews, decided to rebuild the motley empire of ancestors into the Russian national state.



However, it should be recognized that for the first time the national map in Russia was attempted to play even under his father, during the Polish uprising 1863 of the year, when the local intelligentsia who rebelled against Russian domination tried to raise the inhabitants of Right-Bank Ukraine against the empire by printing leaflets for them in the national language.

In fact, the idea of ​​the emperor was, at first glance, very sensible. Assessing how quickly the divided Germans were able to unite their forces around Prussia and formed a monolithic and powerful German Empire (the birth and formation of which took place almost before the eyes of the future Emperor Alexander III), he tried to transfer this experience to the Russian soil. He did not take into account only the "little things" - the Russians, they are not Germans.

In 1880, Russia begins the process of intensive Russification of the population, which immediately launched (not without the help of foreign “partners”) the growth of the “national identity” of not only foreigners of the empire, but also among the seemingly native Russian population.

How did it all end? By the standards of the middle of the XIX century, unthinkable. Some fifteen to twenty years passed, and the “Black Hundreds” appeared in the cities of Russia, whose main goal was to protect the Russians from non-Russians.




But, as shown story, it was just flowers.


Nothing changed fundamentally in the national policy of the empire and the son of Alexander III, Nikolai II. Under him, the Russian self-consciousness successfully developed in parallel with the self-consciousness of other peoples, and, as soon as the power in the empire weakened, it was literally ripped from the inside. Something incredible happened for Russia. A country where, over the 30 years before, all nations lived without knowing national dissension and didn’t pay much attention to the differences between themselves, broke up into more than a dozen national formations that immediately began to quarrel with all their neighbors (and mothers (RSFSR)).

It got to the point that in 1918 year in scientific literature (published, by the way, in the capital of the Bolsheviks Petrograd) have already met on a par with the Dontsians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, Siberians and Perm citizens, whom the European opponents of Russia also prepared for the role of separate nations.

Thus, the three-hundred-year-old Romanov empire collapsed, 270 years from whose history the state grew and flourished, as a common home in which many nations saw for themselves good and meaning. And for 30 in recent years, nationalists of all stripes (including Russians), were able to break it into a dozen national scraps.

Russian is a state of mind



At the beginning of the 20 century, the great Russian scientist Academician Vladimir Vernadsky developed the noosphere theory. One of its apologists, the Russian historian Lev Gumilyov, proved the inextricable link between the landscape and the people living in it. According to his theory, not only man influences the biosphere, but the biosphere constantly influences man.

The simplest example is very clear to understand and about which almost everyone has heard. During Soviet times, Japanese companies, receiving for the development of a plot of taiga, were taken from it, to the great surprise of the local population, not only logs, but even branches with twigs. And sawdust, by the way, too. Because for Japan, all this is the greatest value. At the same time, the Japanese, who lived in Siberia for twenty years, began to look at the value of taiga wood in pure Russian. And really, who needs sawdust in the taiga?

Thus, Lev Gumilyov explained the fact that on the territory of present-day Russia, where the population interfered many times, always won, we call it conditionally, the “Russian spirit”. The descendants of the Tatar princes became the Suvorovs and Kutuzovs. The Germans, the French and the Dutch very quickly in the cities forgot about their origin and considered themselves Russians (while often continuing to speak at home in their own language).

We will not delve into the distant past and confine ourselves only to the history of the house of the Romanovs.

- In the Russian-Polish war 1654-67. The bulk of the Russian army was the so-called regiments of the new system. The overwhelming majority of them were commanded by foreigners: Germans, Swedes, Scots, Dutch. Yes, and they often served as officers in the same foreigners who were accepted into the Russian service, whose children and grandchildren became the associates of Peter I.

- The army of Peter the Great is a unique symbiosis of Russian traditions and achievements of European military science.

- In the 1709 year, in spite of the fairy tale invented in the West and often repeated among Russian nationalists, Cherkasy Cossacks of Skoropadsky, not accepting betrayal of Mazepa, exhausted their opponents with fights and clashes, and on the day of the Poltava battle in the ranks of the Russian army they were order more than in the ranks of the Swedish Mazepa.



- A descendant of the Tatar family Alexander Suvorov was the greatest commander of Russia (who does not believe in the official pedigree of Alexander Vasilyevich, I recommend visiting the wax museum, as they say, his pedigree is literally written on his face), and the heir of Peter I, taken from Ethiopia, Alexander Pushkin, the greatest Russian poet.

- The German Barclay de Tolly developed a plan for the 1812 campaign of the year, effectively implemented by a descendant of the Tatars Mikhail Kutuzov who had once come to Russia. They, thus, once again saved Russia from the invasion of Napoleon.

- And in the famous Battle of the Nations near Leipzig, the tireless Kalmyk cavalry of the noyons Jamba Taisha Tundutov and the Sergedjab of Tyumen drove the enemy for the last time. I drove to Paris itself, where these amazing Russians made an indelible impression on advanced Europeans.


In the photo Khosheutovsky khurul in Kalmyks, built in memory of the dead Kalmyk soldiers in that great war. Doesn't it remind anyone?

- Pole Felix Dzerzhinsky created the Cheka and actually brought order to the chaos-covered country (which, as we saw above, was a result of the growth of "national identity", including the Russian people).

- Georgian Dzhugashvili raised the country from the ruins and ensured its prosperity for decades.

And where among all of them are “Russians”? As the emperor Alexander I would say (he himself is far from being a Russian by blood), "they were all Russians." And it is very regrettable that his great-nephew did not understand what the true strength of the empire he inherited was. Under him, nationalism began to eat away the greatest country and destroyed it during the reign of his son. And it is still unknown what would happen to Russia if the real Russian man Joseph Dzhugashvili, together with all the peoples of the USSR, did not literally revive her from the ashes.
Our news channels

Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

573 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +16
    3 November 2017 15: 11
    A descendant of the Tatar family, Alexander Suvorov, was the greatest Russian commander (who does not believe in the official genealogy of Alexander Vasilyevich, I recommend visiting the wax museum, as they say, his pedigree is literally written on his face), and the heir of Peter I, who was removed from Ethiopia, Alexander Pushkin, is the greatest Russian poet.

    without discussing the topic of the article, I want to give an interesting fact. According to legend, it was Hannibal who recommended Suvorov’s father to fulfill the boy’s dream. So Suvorov ended up in the army! hi
    1. +32
      3 November 2017 15: 23
      All right. Russian is a state of mind and lifestyle.
      1. +51
        3 November 2017 15: 35
        Bullshit and nonsense.
        Probably also think that Russian as a nationality does not exist, right?
        1. +29
          3 November 2017 15: 45
          Quote: Elena Zakharova
          Bullshit and nonsense.
          Probably also think that Russian as a nationality does not exist, right?

          For you, probably nonsense and nonsense. However, historically it is proved that Russian is a state of mind and a way of life. There is a nation, well, that's Russian, and my father is from Ukraine, my mother is half Russian, half is Polish, and so on. For example, can you name your ancestors up to the seventh generation? Are they all Russian by nationality?
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. +46
              3 November 2017 16: 02
              Elena Zakharova Today, 15:53 ​​↑ New
              Stupid shovel nonsense.
              What exactly do you consider nonsense, and even shovels? The fact that a person has a birth certificate that he is Russian does not at all make him Russian in spirit. They told you absolutely correctly that Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind .. If you are not able to master it, then you are as "Guz" as any neo-Nazi. You still begin to talk about the purity of the nation. laughing
              1. +33
                3 November 2017 16: 14
                Do you also deny the existence and existence of nationalities and claim that there are no Russians?
                Are there any Jews?
                1. +46
                  3 November 2017 16: 24
                  Elena Zakharova Today, 16:14 ​​↑ New
                  Do you also deny the existence and existence of nationalities and claim that there are no Russians?
                  Are there any Jews?
                  I affirm that Dzhugashvili, Bagration, Barclay de Tolly, De Ribas and many others are much more Russian than you and your kind, that's all. I do not take away the right of Tatars, Chechens, Nanais or Yakuts to consider themselves Russian, unlike you. I had Turks and Mongols in my family, and everyone who ever walked the Wild Field, who do you think?
                  1. +30
                    3 November 2017 16: 50
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    many others are much more Russian than you and your kind

                    Your thoughtful reasoning to counter my respected people look silly and unprofessional.
                    Where did I write that I am opposed to them to consider themselves involved in the great Russian people?
                    Dreamer and verbiage?
                    1. +27
                      3 November 2017 16: 58
                      Elena Zakharova Today, 16:50 ​​↑ New
                      Your thoughtful reasoning to counter my respected people look silly and unprofessional.
                      To begin with, Russian is at least a native speaker of the Russian language, and, as I look, you have problems with punctuation marks. Learn at least Russian, and only then will you build yourself "Russian"! laughing
                      Dreamer and verbiage?
                      Are you talking about yourself?
                      1. +27
                        3 November 2017 17: 08
                        Quote: Varyag_0711
                        For starters, Russian is at least a native speaker of the Russian language,


                        Dvoeshnik you ...
                        Not the language a person speaks determines his nationality!
                        This is a rather indirect symptom, and out of ten terms, it is in last place!
                        And you have almost the first, this is your weakness and outright stupidity.
                      2. +44
                        3 November 2017 17: 21
                        Elena Zakharova Today, 17:08 ↑
                        Dvoeshnik you ...
                        First of all, not a "dvoeshnik", but a laps. Secondly, I graduated from high school, an institute with honors. Thirdly, do you think that Russian language skills are an anachronism?
                        I’m embarrassed to ask, what time did you study as an engineer and who were your parents in the USSR?
                        By the way, the combination "Russian Slavic" is illiterate in nature. So, which one of us is a doppelganger, let the visitors of VO determine this.
                      3. +21
                        3 November 2017 22: 08
                        Russian is considered to be the person who carries the Russian culture and traditions. The same applies to other nationalities. Only the bearer of the culture and traditions of his people remains his descendant. A polyglot can also know the language, but not be a representative of that people hi
                  2. +11
                    3 November 2017 20: 00
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    Elena Zakharova Today, 16:14 ​​↑ New
                    Do you also deny the existence and existence of nationalities and claim that there are no Russians?
                    Are there any Jews?
                    I affirm that Dzhugashvili, Bagration, Barclay de Tolly, De Ribas and many others are much more Russian than you and your kind, that's all. I do not take away the right of Tatars, Chechens, Nanais or Yakuts to consider themselves Russian, unlike you. I had Turks and Mongols in my family, and everyone who ever walked the Wild Field, who do you think?

                    All indigenous peoples living in Russia have the right to live, serve, and use both the bowels and the benefits of civilization.
                    And only the newcomers, all kinds of “God-chosen ones”, and now the Armenians have seized almost all the property in the country and are trying to enslave the indigenous people.
                    This is unfair !!
                    1. 0
                      4 November 2017 12: 13
                      Quote: Alikos
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      Elena Zakharova Today, 16:14 ​​↑ New
                      Do you also deny the existence and existence of nationalities and claim that there are no Russians?
                      Are there any Jews?
                      I affirm that Dzhugashvili, Bagration, Barclay de Tolly, De Ribas and many others are much more Russian than you and your kind, that's all. I do not take away the right of Tatars, Chechens, Nanais or Yakuts to consider themselves Russian, unlike you. I had Turks and Mongols in my family, and everyone who ever walked the Wild Field, who do you think?

                      All indigenous peoples living in Russia have the right to live, serve, and use both the bowels and the benefits of civilization.
                      And only the newcomers, all kinds of “God-chosen ones”, and now the Armenians have seized almost all the property in the country and are trying to enslave the indigenous people.
                      This is unfair !!

                      In the sense? Jews and Armenians by raider seizures seized most of the property in the Russian Federation? ))) Tell about this to Galitsky (Harutyunyan, who is Magnet) or to Kaspersky - they’ll
                      1. +6
                        4 November 2017 13: 35
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        In the sense? Jews and Armenians by raider seizures seized most of the property in the Russian Federation? )))

                        What news for someone?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Tell Galitsky (Harutyunyan, who is Magnet) or Kaspersky about it

                        They and their compatriots have long been laughing at the gentiles, as they have robbed the Russian people ...
                  3. +1
                    4 November 2017 12: 06
                    Varyag_0711 You yourself answered your own question, you are a Tatar-Mongol.
                2. The comment was deleted.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                3. 0
                  3 November 2017 19: 55
                  Here is the Russian spirit! It smells of Russia here !!
                4. +7
                  4 November 2017 00: 04
                  Jewish criteria
                  Jewry
                  The most ancient source defining "Jewry" is Jewish law - Halacha, based on the decrees of the Talmud law teachers. According to Halacha,
                  "A Jew is a person born to a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism in accordance with the religious canon (giyur)"
                5. +2
                  4 November 2017 11: 22
                  A Jew is a religion. There are Armenian Jews, German, and Imre Kalman, a Hungarian Jew.
                6. +1
                  5 November 2017 04: 00
                  Eeehh ... (
                  It is a pity that Russia was not built without f.i.d.o.8 (
                  Surely this would be better than socialism. even.
              2. +12
                3 November 2017 21: 33
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                The fact that a person has a birth certificate that he is Russian does not at all make him Russian in spirit. They told you absolutely correctly that Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind ..

                You confuse soft with white. You decide, a Frenchman and a Jew is still a nationality, or is it also a "state of mind"? Or is it only Russians for Russians that determine "state of mind"?
                And about all these Tatar delights in Suvorov, Kutuzov and Ethiopian in Pushkin, this is simply ridiculous. Found one Tatar in a hundred Russian ancestors from Suvorov and now he is a Tatar?
                1. +2
                  4 November 2017 13: 20
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  You confuse soft with white

                  Well, well, a caliper lover ..
                  Barclay who?
                  Bellingshausen who?
                  Bagration?
                  Schmidt?
                  Do you propose throwing away thousands of names of people serving Russia on a landfill on the grounds that you do not like these names? You are definitely a non-Russian provocateur, because during all periods of the existence of Russia, any foreigner who came to the Russian service and proved his usefulness became RUSSIAN.
                  Who is Pushkin? Lermontov?
                  YOU and all these Chokh in nerus write down? But here are the glorious surnames of Russian history.
                  So the historically famous name of the counts and nobles of the Sheremetevs; princes, counts and nobles of the Saltykovs, representatives of one of our most famous surnames; Morozovs - who once had such great importance at the royal court - are descendants of the Prussians. Counts and nobles: Apraksins - Tatar, Tolstoy - Germans, Golovins - Greek, Valuevs (Volovichi) - a noble Lithuanian, whose son and grandson participated in the famous battle of Kulikovo in 1380, where the first of them fell boyar Timofey Vasilievich; the participant in this battle was the ancestor of the Kvashnins-Samarins, the grandson of a native of Galicia. Such a list of Russian-foreign births could be continued on several pages, and then we would see that under such purely Russian surnames as, for example, Levshins (Levenshtein), Sokovnins (Ikskuli), Kozoddevly (Kos-von-Dalen) , The Yakhontovs (von Dolen), the Levashovs (too), the Myatlevs, Neplyuevs, Protopopovs, Pupkovs, etc. descendants of the Germans who traveled to Russia. The surname of the Likhachevs (Likhovichi), as Russian as possible and quite well-known in our history at the end of the XNUMXth century, is carried by the descendants of a Lithuanian native. The nude, of whose kind was the mother of Tsarevich Saint Dimitry Uglichsky, came from a Dane who traveled to Russia, the Gryaznovs from a Frenchman, Voznitsyns from a Pole, Bestuzhevs from an Englishman, Nashchokina from an Italian, and the famous English surname Hamilton turned to the purely Russian surname Khomutovs.
                  http://news.ivest.kz/113295948-rodovye-prozvaniya
                  -i-tituly-v-rossii-i-sliyanie-inozemcev-s-russkim
                  i --- e-karnovich-1886
                  1. +4
                    4 November 2017 17: 52
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Quote: E_V_N
                    You confuse soft with white

                    Well, well, a caliper lover ..
                    Barclay who?
                    Bellingshausen who?
                    Bagration?
                    Schmidt?

                    Man, this is truly your "woe of mind" written on your forehead. Are you trying to get me away with your compasses or by listing names?
                    I will explain to you as a student.
                    Here came a German (French, Dutch, English, Tatar) to Russia, came “a goal like a falcon”, entered the service, got an economy, married a Russian, the children know German (French, Dutch, English, Tatar) but they speak in everyday life Russian They also took locals (Russians) as wives (husbands), their children practically don’t know the language of their grandfather, they speak Russian at home, their children don’t care who their great-grandfather was (unless of course the society is not caste). Everything, the clan is already becoming Russian, and there is no point in looking for German roots in it.
                    But in your opinion, the German will remain forever in the family, and no matter how many Russians pour into this family, the “drop” of German blood is more important than Russian liters. So who, dear, is we here essentially a "lover of compasses"?
                    1. +1
                      4 November 2017 18: 28
                      Quote: E_V_N
                      the essence of a "compass lover"?

                      Silenous .. interrupted what I said? And so, they decided that they spoke smartly?
                      Quote: E_V_N
                      You confuse soft with white. You decide, a Frenchman and a Jew is still a nationality, or is it also a "state of mind"? Or is it only Russians for Russians that determine "state of mind"?
                      And about all these Tatar delights in Suvorov, Kutuzov and Ethiopian in Pushkin, this is simply ridiculous. Found one Tatar in a hundred Russian ancestors from Suvorov and now he is a Tatar?

                      Is this yours?
                      So, they gave you an answer to your exhaust, to which you have no correctly formulated counterargument.
                      1. +2
                        4 November 2017 18: 52
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        the essence of a "compass lover"?

                        Silenous .. interrupted what I said? And so, they decided that they spoke smartly

                        That is how it turns out that the "compass" is your or your kind's invention and no one can use it? And what did I "jerk"? I just showed you, as a schoolboy, that it is in your statements and ideas that it doesn’t smell like anything, it just stinks of Nazism.

                        Quote: badens1111
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        the essence of a "compass lover"?

                        Silenous .. interrupted what I said? And so, they decided that they spoke smartly?
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        You confuse soft with white. You decide, a Frenchman and a Jew is still a nationality, or is it also a "state of mind"? Or is it only Russians for Russians that determine "state of mind"?
                        And about all these Tatar delights in Suvorov, Kutuzov and Ethiopian in Pushkin, this is simply ridiculous. Found one Tatar in a hundred Russian ancestors from Suvorov and now he is a Tatar?

                        Is this yours?
                        So, they gave you an answer to your exhaust, to which you have no correctly formulated counterargument.

                        Yes, it's mine, so what?
                        You have listed a dozen names and consider this an argument, as a student I explained to you and chewed that you are a dear mistaken. If for you the level of a student is difficult to understand, this is not my problem, but your misfortune.
                        And note, I’m not turning to personalities; switching to personalities in a dispute is a sign of a lack of real arguments.
                2. 0
                  4 November 2017 15: 54
                  ..... Tatar = Khazarin = Khozak = Cossack - equestrian warrior .. Only in 1920 did the Tatar nationality emerge - the CEC, at the suggestion of Ulyanov = Lenin = Blanca, re-christened the Volga Bulgars to the Tatars ...
              3. +6
                4 November 2017 12: 03
                Varyag_0711 You forgot one truth - they beat you not in the passport, but in the face, so you don’t have to smack nonsense, Russian is a nationality, but what you wrote in passports and birth certificates, you wanted to write something.
                1. +2
                  4 November 2017 13: 21
                  Quote: mig.vlad2015
                  You forgot one truth - they’re beaten not in the passport, but in the face,

                  Spewing out all kinds of abomination.
                  Remember this.
                  The followers of the nationalist Maltsev are already getting what they deserve.
            2. +10
              3 November 2017 16: 03
              Quote: Elena Zakharova
              Stupid shovel nonsense.
              I don’t even see the point of commenting, sorry.

              This is how everything is .... The British are, the French are, there are even Jews, cybans, Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, the Poles are there, they even invented the Ukrainians, but there are no Russians.
              Isn't it funny?

              You have not answered the question. I repeat. Can you name your ancestors up to the seventh generation?
              1. +21
                3 November 2017 16: 15
                I can, but it does not concern you.
                1. +10
                  3 November 2017 16: 26
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  I can, but it does not concern you.

                  It is clear, as some show-offs say in the youth environment.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                    1. +14
                      3 November 2017 17: 11
                      Quote: Elena Zakharova
                      Your account is not Russian, it is not clear who the animal or the person is, and you are talking about Russians here.

                      Yes you laughing A couple of posts back you “shouted” that you knew the story. laughing Wends are Slavs, as Germans still call Slavs. laughing And the Germans gave me this nickname for my study and defense of Slavic history. A long time ago. Apparently you are a very superficial and inadequate person.
                      “But is it the Russian who scolding the Gentiles frantically, God Saves on holidays. No, the Russian who is in hard times, in the break, defends Russia with the breast.” the film "State Border".
                      1. +15
                        3 November 2017 17: 18
                        Quote: Wend
                        Wends are Slavs, as Germans still call Slavs.

                        Oh you ...
                        Why did they fall so low in my eyes?
                        I quote for you the definition of who the Wends are.

                        In 1206, they adopted the Roman Catholic faith and became loyal allies to the Order of the Swordsmen in the struggle against Estonians and Russians. Gradually merged with Vidzeme Latgals.
                      2. +5
                        3 November 2017 18: 27
                        Dear Wend, just do not tell Elena that the Germans are also Slavs laughing
                  2. +13
                    3 November 2017 17: 12
                    Quote: Wend
                    It is clear, as some show-offs say in the youth environment.

                    A colleague .. you are trying to argue with a person who has already polluted two resources with her swars .. Maxpark and Comte.
                    1. +12
                      3 November 2017 17: 19
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Colleague ... you are trying to argue with a particular

                      Open the face beaten by me)))
                      1. +12
                        3 November 2017 17: 25
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Open your face

                        Gusskaya creamy MP and Comte, sat on your favorite squirrel?
                        Do not confuse the shores, here people like you are nothing from themselves.
                    2. The comment was deleted.
                      1. The comment was deleted.
                      2. The comment was deleted.
                2. +2
                  4 November 2017 13: 43
                  Quote: Wend
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  Stupid shovel nonsense.
                  I don’t even see the point of commenting, sorry.

                  This is how everything is .... The British are, the French are, there are even Jews, cybans, Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, the Poles are there, they even invented the Ukrainians, but there are no Russians.
                  Isn't it funny?

                  You have not answered the question. I repeat. Can you name your ancestors up to the seventh generation?

                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  I can, but it does not concern you.


                  ))) well done Elena! Face-to-face to
                  not trolling
                  1. 0
                    4 November 2017 15: 33
                    Quote: Alikos
                    not trolling

                    Are you about yourself?
                    Keep on pouring fake delights, it’s very funny to look at your attempts to be some kind of “revolutionaries”.
                    Today, people like you in Moscow have already shown how the asphalt smells, they’re doing the right thing, more often. Https: //tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/cont
                    ent / 201711041238-3sd6.htm
            3. +20
              3 November 2017 16: 07
              Elena, you are not Russian; you don’t understand how it is to be a Russian person. It is necessary to have a Russian soul and not citizenship. In your case, it more reflects the territory of residence.
              1. The comment was deleted.
                1. +11
                  3 November 2017 16: 23
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  Are you Russian?
                  Even the account they wrote FIG knows what language, and still dare me to teach and correct something here?


                  I am a purebred Russian, although at the moment I live and not in the Russian Federation. But I was born in Russia and proud that I am Russian. I have to correct you so sorry.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
              2. +2
                4 November 2017 11: 56
                It is necessary to have Russian blood and Russian ancestors, everything else is nonsense.
              3. +6
                4 November 2017 12: 19
                seti
                Quote: seti
                Elena, you are not Russian; you don’t understand how it is to be a Russian person. It is necessary to have a Russian soul and not citizenship. In your case, it more reflects the territory of residence.
                Is it not these "Russian" souls scattered across the Americas and Europe, leaving their country at a difficult time.
                1. 0
                  7 November 2017 20: 09
                  Just before there was one country of the USSR and the parents of the children did not ask if they want to move from the RSFSR or not. So keep your America with Europe.
            4. +5
              3 November 2017 21: 22
              Yes, the author simply did not cope with the topic of the article. It turned out to be overwhelming. Reading is not interesting, somehow everything is casual, as for schoolchildren.
            5. +11
              3 November 2017 21: 29
              Quote: Elena Zakharova
              Stupid shovel nonsense.

              It's funny, but it was the stupid scoops that built the most formidable, strong and technologically equal country in the world, and it was their opponents who destroyed it.
              1. +8
                3 November 2017 21: 43
                Quote: cyberhanter
                stupid scoops built the most formidable, strong and technologically equal country in the world, and it was their opponents who destroyed it.

                How could it happen that such power was destroyed?
                Maybe you are mistaken and the deeper reasons, which have quite a scientific justification and explanation, and not just your stupid Wishlist?
                1. The comment was deleted.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                    1. The comment was deleted.
            6. +5
              3 November 2017 21: 57
              Stupid shovel nonsense.
              I don’t even see the point of commenting, sorry.
              This is how everything is .... The British are, the French are, there are even Jews, cybans, Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, the Poles are there, they even invented the Ukrainians, but there are no Russians.
              Isn't it funny?

              I agree with you. But it is useless to explain such things to non-Russian people who think they are Russian. The logic and common sense do not act on them in this matter.
            7. The comment was deleted.
          2. +16
            3 November 2017 19: 04
            Quote: Wend


            ... historically proven that Russian is a state of mind and a way of life. There is a nation, well, that's Russian, and my father is from Ukraine, my mother is half Russian, half is Polish, and so on. For example, can you name your ancestors up to the seventh generation? Are they all Russian by nationality?

            This is how Jews are usually excused. "To the seventh knee ..." They fool people. Like all supposedly equal. And then they organize revolutions and coups, seizing power with the help of money and values ​​stolen from the gentiles
            And again they make their black and sneaky gesheft.
            Zionists would be happy to completely wipe the Russian people off the face of the earth. They will always balamute peoples, pit them among themselves, to exterminate with the help of alcoholization, debilitation, drug addiction, etc.
            1. +4
              4 November 2017 11: 58
              Quote: Alikos
              Zionists would be happy to completely wipe the Russian people off the face of the earth. They will always balamute peoples, pit them among themselves, to exterminate with the help of alcoholization, debilitation, drug addiction, etc.

              They have been doing this for at least a thousand years, step by step, grain by grain, by seed ...
            2. 0
              4 November 2017 12: 21
              Quote: Alikos
              Quote: Wend


              ... historically proven that Russian is a state of mind and a way of life. There is a nation, well, that's Russian, and my father is from Ukraine, my mother is half Russian, half is Polish, and so on. For example, can you name your ancestors up to the seventh generation? Are they all Russian by nationality?

              This is how Jews are usually excused. "To the seventh knee ..." They fool people. Like all supposedly equal. And then they organize revolutions and coups, seizing power with the help of money and values ​​stolen from the gentiles
              And again they make their black and sneaky gesheft.
              Zionists would be happy to completely wipe the Russian people off the face of the earth. They will always balamute peoples, pit them among themselves, to exterminate with the help of alcoholization, debilitation, drug addiction, etc.

              They force someone to thump, someone to steal, who cut their heads to each other ... Marshak, by the way, was also a Zionist, his first published verse was on the death of Herzel ... He made many Shakespeare Russians read (when the translation is better than the original) ...)) )))
              1. +2
                4 November 2017 12: 54
                Of course, Zionists (fascists) contribute to theft and murder, for example, they cut their heads in ISIS, created with the participation of Israel, and I'm not talking about corruption as the basis of their ideology of enslaving the gentiles. Marshak is a Soviet writer.
          3. AIR
            +2
            3 November 2017 22: 58
            That's right, in Russian - mother is Polish! There are no poles.
          4. +7
            4 November 2017 11: 57
            Wend. And why did you get the idea that you are Russian, a father from the Outskirts - probably a Turk, a mother - a half-breed, and that you are Russian, only a state of mind?
          5. 0
            4 November 2017 20: 22
            I can. I AM RUSSIAN,
        2. +18
          3 November 2017 16: 03
          Quote: Elena Zakharova
          Bullshit and nonsense.
          Probably also think that Russian as a nationality does not exist, right?

          You write nonsense. You can live anywhere and anytime. But Russian is really a state of mind, and in any case, it is of the European nations that is maximally expressed in Russian people. No wonder it was once said by Suvorov, who was without a doubt a truly Russian man, it was not enough for one officer from his army to have a father / mother of Russians, not to be born in Tver .. It was not enough to have Russian citizenship. Your soul is not Russian since you love France and not Russia.
          Most Russian people are decency and justice, a willingness to help others in trouble. Look for such traits among the British or Poles .. You will find one of the 10 and then at a big blat.
          1. +24
            3 November 2017 16: 19
            seti .... any nationality is always the bearer of its national culture and history. An attempt to replace cultural bearers, in this case we are talking about Russian culture, by peoples of other nationalities, will certainly lead to the crowding out and substitution of Russian culture, history, language and everything else, including identity ...
            How dark are you ... or just write nonsense to me specifically?
            1. +7
              4 November 2017 03: 28
              Lena, well, you have patience!
              1. +4
                6 November 2017 12: 46
                Developed over the years))
          2. +4
            3 November 2017 16: 22
            Is a Frenchman a state of mind?
            1. +25
              3 November 2017 16: 26
              Determining nationality by state of mind is fun for verbiage.
              1. The comment was deleted.
                1. +14
                  3 November 2017 17: 21
                  Quote from serry
                  Something like this.

                  There is a great deal of truth in your words.
                  True, I would not say so about the intelligentsia, it is different.
                  For example, I don’t think I consider the intelligentsia of Shenderovich and Ksyusha Sobchak ....
                  1. +5
                    3 November 2017 20: 21
                    Shenderovich and Ksyusha Sobchak - this is an assembly of "public relations"
                    1. +11
                      3 November 2017 20: 38
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Shenderovich and Ksyusha Sobchak - this is an assembly of "public relations"

                      They, together with the same as they, too, believe that there are no Russians.
              2. +3
                4 November 2017 13: 24
                Absolutely! I have never heard that they were Georgians or Armenians by state of mind, not nationality
            2. +1
              4 November 2017 12: 24
              Quote: Morrrow
              Is a Frenchman a state of mind?

              Of course, especially if he eats some frogs with champagne.
          3. The comment was deleted.
          4. +6
            3 November 2017 22: 34
            I understand correctly that you are personally the most Russian of the Russians, although you do not live in Russia? But those born and living in Russia are not Russian; they did not go abroad.

            Quote: seti
            Your soul is not Russian since you love France and not Russia.


            And what kind of soul do you have if you prefer a homeland to a foreign land?
            1. +5
              4 November 2017 12: 00
              Quote: E_V_N
              And what kind of soul do you have if you prefer a homeland to a foreign land?

              What is their soul? they will be re-educated there over 5 years into a typical European consumer, and the soul will be changed ... In words, they are all for us, but in reality they will go against us in the forefront.
            2. 0
              7 November 2017 20: 14
              I wrote your question in this thread above. They don’t ask the child if you want to move all the more so earlier it was one state and now you won’t run away from your family.
              It is important to remain Russian and in a foreign land. So your joke is not the topic.
        3. +4
          3 November 2017 19: 39
          This is speculation. The author did not deny the presence of Russians. He showed the minuses of the "growth of self-awareness" of any nationalities. By the way, only two opposing processes were able to extinguish the enmity of peoples: providing nations with the opportunity to develop national culture within their republics and welding of these republics and peoples within them with a single ideology. So Zhirinovsky’s nonsense about “Lenin’s guilt” in the collapse of the USSR in 1991 has no basis. Otherwise, everything would fall apart even then.
          1. +6
            3 November 2017 22: 46
            Quote: meandr51
            giving nations the opportunity to develop national culture within their republics

            A very controversial statement, it is the presence of national republics within the country that is a mine tearing apart any country. And the reason here is not in the people, but in the fact that the leadership of the national republics wants the benefits of the metropolis, but does not want to limit personal freedom, subordinate to this very metropolis. They will give the metropolis money, they will tolerate this metropolis, but every day this money is needed more and more. As a result, national republics begin to invest less, and live better than the people of the metropolis. This is where the dissatisfaction of the population of the metropolis and the desire to throw off "parasites" begin, and the instrument of this is nationalism.
            1. +7
              3 November 2017 23: 09
              meandr51
              So Zhirinovsky’s nonsense about “Lenin’s guilt” in the collapse of the USSR in 1991 has no basis. Otherwise, everything would fall apart even then.
              Firstly, "did not fall apart then" precisely thanks to Stalin!
              And secondly, Zhirinovsky has no "delirium"!

              Andrew! You are poorly prepared in history for reasoning on this subject.
              The Russian question in modern Russia objectively EXISTS! Like it or not! But the Russian authorities not only do not want to solve it, but simply try to hide this problem in the country from the people to study it and for publicity!
              ---------------------
              the development of SOVIET Russia, the world's first socialist state, was twofold - controversial - in nature.
              On the one hand, the Russian people, who believed in the communist idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and, being the bearer of a sovereign mentality, really built up socialism on all fronts of social construction within the whole country as their entire multinational homeland. As a matter of fact, he had no choice but to do anything. But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former tsarist national suburbs, where feudal relations still prevailed and there was no own national proletariat, power was gained from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control by the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords. National industry was built by the hands of the Russian and Russian-speaking peoples. Moreover, everything that was really created national during the years of Soviet power in the once backward tsarist national suburbs - national republics - is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists etc.). This national party and Soviet intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality on not only their own working people, but also the Russians who came to “hunch on them” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev's “new thinking”.
              In this way, national problems in the Soviet Union were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. The counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR as a whole only raised the national-bourgeois deformations that had already taken place from the bottom to the surface during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.
              1. +12
                3 November 2017 23: 19
                For example, the national composition of 500 officials of the highest Soviet government in 1918–1919. was distributed as follows (8):
                Hungarians…1 → 0,01%........ Finns…..3 → 0,03%
                Georgians……..1 → 0,01% ........ Armenians……..12 → 2%
                Imeretians….1 → 0,01%........ Germans…….12 → 2%
                Karaites….1 → 0,01%........ Russians….. 30 → 5%
                Chekhov……... 1 → 0,01%........ Latvians… 34 → 6%
                Polyakov……2 → 0,02%........ JEWS…477 → 83%
                Thus, the overwhelming predominance of Jews in the management of SOVIET Russia from the very beginning of Soviet power was obvious.
                If it were not for Stalin with the purge of the party from the Trotsky-Zinoviev bloc in 1937-1938, the USSR would hardly have won the Second World War!

                Moreover, a similar situation has persisted today in the Russian Federation, but probably to an even greater extent, since statistics on the nationality of members of the country's leadership at all levels are carefully hidden from publicity. Moreover, it is proposed to completely eliminate the column "nationality" in the passport.
                This suggests that in Soviet Russia and the Russian Federation the central and federal power belongs to the Jews, and not to the Russians, as it was before, in tsarist times, and is now thought by inertia. And the departure of the Jewish revolutionaries from true internationalism, which they were the first to preach before coming to power in Russia and all the years of Soviet power, was due to their Jewish mentality, which in turn was determined by their national religion - Judaism, the foundation of the Masonic movement for the dominance of world Zionism. And the ideas of Zionists are set forth in the protocols of the 1st Zionist Congress (9), the authenticity of which should now be considered already proven both at the inductive and deductive level of research on this problem.
                See Zueva T.F. Russian question. National crisis and democracy: the administrative-territorial structure of Russia. - St. Petersburg: A.S. Suvorin of the Union of Writers of Russia, 1995 .-- 32 p. - P.25-26.
                The brochure is, in particular, in the electronic catalog of the Russian National Library. Through the Internet you can find and read it from any city.
                1. +4
                  3 November 2017 23: 36
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Thus, the overwhelming predominance of Jews in the management of SOVIET Russia from the very beginning of Soviet power was obvious.

                  JEWS AND AUTHORITIES IN RUSSIA (1917-1924)
                  19-06-2008 23:01

                  This is a typical propaganda fake about the dominance of Jews in the organs of Soviet power.
                  http://ldn-knigi.lib.ru/JUDAICA/Evrei-Rossii_1917
                  -1924.htm
                  1. +14
                    3 November 2017 23: 50
                    Therefore, the following conclusion is logical: along with the Great October Socialist Revolution in Russia, a geopolitical nationalist coup also took place. Namely:
                    If Russia as a state historically evolved as a state of the Russian people, which took under its protection other nations seeking protection and support from it, then as a result of the division of Russian territory on a national basis after the Great October Socialist Revolution, the state of the Russian people ceased to exist - Russia has become a state of national minorities.
                    Moreover, representatives of national minorities, but not of the Russian people, always began to dominate in the authorities of the Soviet Russian state. The results of this situation were not slow to affect: 1) the color of the Russian intelligentsia was mercilessly destroyed; 2) The Russian Academy of Sciences was never created; 3) the leaders of a country of non-Russian nationality gave away native Russian lands to national republics, even if the general level of civilization of which was below the level of development of civilization of the Russian people; 4) little attention was also paid to the economic situation of the Russian people. As a result of the exploitation of the labor of the Russian and Russian-speaking population, the rich were the so-called former tsarist national suburbs, in which the state-political leadership belonged to representatives of this so-called indigenous nationality. The relative size of the Russian population in the country began to decline sharply.
                    The "perestroika" of Gorbachev-Yeltsin still consolidated the position of Russians in the Russian Federation and the CIS countries as the position of third-class people, as a bottomless reservoir washed away with cheap labor and the cheapest "fried meat".
                    A vivid example of this is the apartheid countries in relation to the Russian people - the former national SSR: Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc. R. Tatarstan is moving in this direction, etc.
                    1. +2
                      4 November 2017 09: 07
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      1) the color of the Russian intelligentsia was mercilessly destroyed; 2) The Russian Academy of Sciences was never created; 3) the leaders of a country of non-Russian nationality gave away native Russian lands to national republics, even if the general level of civilization of which was below the level of development of civilization of the Russian people; 4) little attention was also paid to the economic situation of the Russian people.

                      The lie of the sample of the Yakovlevsky agitprop.
                      Only such as Amnuel, ntsovsky, claims exactly the same thing, but as it is known, the NTS organization plowed against the Nazis.
                      Vladimir Putin writes: “For Russia, with its variety of languages, traditions, ethnic groups and cultures, the national question, without any exaggeration, is fundamental ... One of the main conditions for the very existence of our country is civil and interethnic harmony”
                      you can agree or not with this saying, but in the event that you do not agree with it, you are acting apriori outside the interests of Russia as a state, against its entire population including Russians about whose fate you seem to care.
                      An attempt to build Russia according to your patterns is a war of all against everyone. It seems that Chechnya is not enough, more blood is needed.
                      Nationalists of different stripes have already destroyed in 1 countries, do you want to continue? In whose interests are you glad?
                      An example of Ukraine, with similar wording that you write, is this not a lesson for you?
                      1. +8
                        4 November 2017 11: 19
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Nationalists of different stripes have already destroyed in 1 countries, do you want to continue? In whose interests are you glad?

                        You are wrong, you yourself will remember where nationalism bloomed in the wild in the 90s, is it really in the RSFSR? Not on the so-called national suburbs of the USSR. It was there that the Russians, who built their national economies with Russian money, instantly turned out to be "invaders." Russians began to be squeezed out of the national republics, often even bloody, with murders, robberies and pogroms. And the manifestation of Russian nationalism is essentially just a defensive reaction of the Russians to the humiliation of their fellow tribesmen in the national republics. The logic of life is always simple, if you are beaten and humiliated, but you are silent and do not answer, they will beat and humiliate you even more. Moreover, the smallest and weakest will try to humiliate most of all, thereby comforting their national EGO and rising in their own eyes. But if you clearly and openly outline the boundaries of your national interests, and strictly defend them, you will be respected and will not be provoked. At the same time, you must always clearly and openly indicate your national interests, and do not do it only periodically, otherwise you will always be provoked and watch whether you answer or not.
                        But your ideas to constantly please the national elites of the outskirts of the USSR and the Russian Federation just lead to the "war of all against all."
                        If the Center is strong and consistent, the outskirts never "rebel", but as soon as the Center weakens, the outskirts begin to search for new "patrons" and here begins Nationalism, Disintegration and War.
                        It’s good if you simply don’t understand it, it’s bad if you know, but you are specially engaged in propaganda and provocation.
                      2. +6
                        4 November 2017 11: 46
                        badens1111
                        Vladimir Putin writes: “For Russia, with its variety of languages, traditions, ethnic groups and cultures, the national question, without any exaggeration, is fundamental ... One of the main conditions for the very existence of our country is civil and interethnic harmony”
                        I agree with the words of GDP in this case. And what follows from this and from his words? But nothing!
                        How many national minorities of bourgeois Russia respect the rights of Russians in their titular national territories? Take, for example, the Dudayev Ichkeria!
                        And how do you think this discriminatory position of the state of the forming people - Russians - can Putin correct in the national republics? Take, for example, modern R. Tatarstan with the “unlearned” Russian of the Russian language there, which is the state-forming language throughout the Russian Federation!
                        Or do you want to say that the discriminatory, up to apartheid, position of Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Uzbekistan, etc. - is not the HERITAGE of the national Leninist-Trotskyist policy of transferring Russia to foreign control of the West under the guise of a world "proletarian" revolution at the expense of millions of Russian lives?
                        Then you either do not know the story well, or you are not Russian and therefore this problem has not touched you! And you prefer this problem - the Russian question in the country and the Russian Federation - simply not to notice and step on the same "rake" as in 1917 and 1991-1993, hiding your head from the truth in the sand?
                        In vain, I set you above "+"!
                      3. +3
                        4 November 2017 12: 06
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Nationalists of different stripes have already destroyed in 1 countries, do you want to continue? In whose interests are you glad?

                        Well, yes, only in 99 cases out of a hundred were they not Russian nationalists at all, are you smart?
                      4. +3
                        4 November 2017 12: 57
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        You’re wrong, you yourself will remember where nationalism bloomed in the wild in the 90s,

                        Unlike you, I know perfectly well that where it blossomed and who should say "thank you" Exactly the same forces that are now found in the so-called "Russian division of nationalists." Example? Please, a certain MALTSEV, who screaming about Russian nationalism and exceptionalism he ran into the most notorious compradors in the political system of Russia-PARNAS and their accomplices. This figure promised the revolution, but fled abroad with fright, and members of his Artpodgotovka gang are now being caught all over the country and are doing it right.
                        You see, you forgot who owed a surge of nationalism and bloody riots on the outskirts, I recall Starovoitova and Sobchak, wherever this couple appeared, they immediately rebelled and blood was pouring.
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        But your ideas to constantly please the national elites of the outskirts of the USSR and the Russian Federation just lead to the "war of all against all."

                        This is your nonsense, it does not apply to me, you should not ascribe your stupid thoughts to me.
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        If the Center is strong and consistent, the outskirts never "rebel", but as soon as the Center weakens, the outskirts begin to search for new "patrons" and here begins Nationalism, Disintegration and War.

                        And you, a bunch of Natsiks, imagined yourself to be saviors ?? God forbid Russia from such saviors, all the more so since the puppeteers are behind you behind the puddles, so calm down, CENTER will not give up the power to you.
                      5. +1
                        4 November 2017 13: 09
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        civil and interethnic consent "
                        I agree with the words of GDP in this case. And what follows from this and from his words? But nothing!
                        How many national minorities of bourgeois Russia respect the rights of Russians in their titular national territories? Take, for example, the Dudayev Ichkeria!

                        Where do you live and what the hell is Dudaev's Ichekria that they smuggled into the llama? Together with thousands of those who, by their own stupidity, thought they could fight with Russia?
                        Do you agree with Putin’s words ... well, why don’t you understand that the country is now bourgeois, but nevertheless, the freshest disputes in North Ossetia, for example, where in the public organization Styr Nykhas tried to expand its activities towards nationalism, a certain Kuchiev, a native of Canada. so he immediately got a shit in the environment of the republic itself and from the administration of the republic.
                        [
                        Quote: badens1111
                        And how do you think this discriminatory position of the state of the forming people - Russians - can Putin correct in the national republics? Take, for example, modern R. Tatarstan with the “unlearned” Russian of the Russian language there, which is the state-forming language throughout the Russian Federation!

                        What did they want to say? Tatarstan and the situation there is a burp of 90 damned ones, but whatever the local national girl tried to twist backwards, and now they have dressed them with a neck cut, the first of which is the departure of Shaimiev from the post of head of this republic. The second step, not only relating to Tatarstan , but in general, the nazokrain, behind the scenes and without noise, is already charged with stopping nonsense with the imposition of natsyazyk to speakers of another language.
                        Thirdly, the discussion is about Russia, and not about limitrophes, shouting and yelling, you will not change anything right now. Well, if our compatriots are so oppressed in the Baltic, then why the hell are they sitting there and keeping quiet that they are second-class citizens? Again, someone should come , help to get on and get things settled? Have you forgotten how the Russian population of the Baltic states, together with the frenzied Natsiks from different Sayudis, screamed and wished for independence? The bitterness has turned out, so now it’s such a bitter fruit that they should eat to the end that they would continue to think with their head and not the stomach.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Then you either do not know the story well, or you are not Russian and therefore this problem has not touched you! And you prefer this problem - the Russian question in the country and the Russian Federation - simply not to notice and step on the same "rake" as in 1917 and 1991-1993, hiding your head from the truth in the sand?

                        This is all idle blah blah blah, not related to what I said.
                        You throw yourself a lot of slogans, but there’s no use in them, but things, in the manner of Lev Bronstein with your slogans like that, do not suit me, a Russian officer.
                      6. +4
                        4 November 2017 14: 17
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Nationalists of different stripes have already destroyed in 1 countries, do you want to continue? In whose interests are you glad?
                        An example of Ukraine, with similar wording that you write, is this not a lesson for you?


                        Ukraine is almost 100% in the hands of Zionists, including crypto Jews (those Jews who hide their origin by changing their names: Parashenka-Valtsman, Turchinov-Kogan, Timashenka-Kapitelman, Klitschko-Etinson, Nazis Tyagnibok-Frotman ...
                      7. +5
                        4 November 2017 15: 09
                        badens1111
                        Thirdly, the conversation is about Russia, and not about the Limitrophs, shouting and yelling, you will not change anything right now.
                        First, the we do not emit any screams and do not “yell”, as you deigned to put it!
                        And] why did you decide to consider the current situation in the Russian Federation in isolation from the past of the USSR / Russia and their future? This is not methodologically logical - you have an analysis of the situation, but there is no synthesis! At the same time, there is no reliability in your conclusions! And do not think for it to be offended by me! I say as it is.
                        Secondly. About Russians in the Baltic States I absolutely agree with you! More than once in this historical circumstance, "poked her nose." But there, the Chicago idea of ​​Milton Friedman about the so-called supposedly "clean" and "free" market of capital, goods and labor with its monetarism and consumer enrichment. In this, say thanks to Gorbachev (with his accomplice Yakovlev and Shevarnadze) with his widespread propaganda of the so-called "new thinking"!
                        Thirdly. And the fact that you are a Russian officer, it would be better if you didn’t say anything about this in this debate!
                        I know Russian officers - revolved among them.
                        I remember, for example, a n / a international conference at the Institute of Political Science on March 17, 1991 for administrative and state workers of the North-West, as well as for students of the Institute. In addition to the presidium, there were 75 people in the hall: 25 of them in military uniform, the rest in civilian uniform. Of all those present, only two women - I and one more.
                        And in my speech I say that “treason in the country comes from the very top - in the person of Gorbachev and his closest associates. That the bourgeois coup in the country will occur according to analytical calculations no later than the end of the summer-beginning of September of this 1991."
                        It is difficult to describe what happened from my words in the hall. In the hall everyone woke up. The military literally went berserk against my words - they whistled, stamped their feet, and indignant shouts from their places began. In general, as in a movie. But civilians, according to me, were sad and depressed silent. None of them uttered a word! The host had to reassure the military that we were not at the rally and gathered here to discuss the problem, to hear different points of view. And that the military will also receive a word in response to me.
                        After me, the colonel quickly rushed to the podium and began to assure, striking in the chest that I, as a woman, say “nonsense” and that every military man, from an officer to the last private soldier, would selflessly defend his Soviet Fatherland and his socialist Motherland!
                        To this I answered him:
                        “You will not receive an order from above!” So sit in the barracks! They tell you that betrayal comes from the "top"!
                        And he again:
                        - This cannot be !!! This is a provocation!!! Where did she come from?
                        “From civilians,” I say. - That's why the military understands politics worse than civilians? You know how to shoot, but sometimes you need to think with your head!
                        In general, everything happened in the country on August 19, 1991, as I said. USSR Armed Forces did not defend their country.
                        And then in the country we had to defend and support our demobilized officers from the RF Armed Forces who were marginalized in civilian life. I remember them well, I studied with them for a second higher education and was chosen by them as a headman in our group of 25 people, 19 of whom were former officers demobilized from the ranks of the RA Armed Forces: border guards, pilots, tank crews, staff officers, translators, etc. military branches.
                        If you see one “blah, blah, blah” in the existence of the Russian question in the country, then what Russian officer are you then? So-so "internationalist" - neither "ours" nor "yours"! And to whom then?
                      8. +4
                        4 November 2017 15: 40
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Nationalists of different stripes have already destroyed in 1 countries, do you want to continue? In whose interests are you glad?
                        An example of Ukraine, with similar wording that you write, is this not a lesson for you?

                        In the 90s, your country was destroyed by your brothers
                        And in Ukraine, what their work absolutely does! Who is in power in Ukraine?
                  2. +4
                    4 November 2017 12: 31
                    badens1111
                    Quote: badens1111
                    This is a typical propaganda fake about the dominance of Jews in the organs of Soviet power.

                    And what is false, false dove sounds in your every word, and if Stalin had not crushed the Jews, the USSR would have ordered a long life back in 30 years.
                    1. +1
                      4 November 2017 13: 10
                      Quote: mig.vlad2015
                      And what’s fake here,

                      Run to school.
                      1. +1
                        4 November 2017 15: 38
                        badens1111
                        Quote: mig.vlad2015
                        And what’s fake here,

                        Run to school.
                        On the contrary, It’s you, Vlad, who didn’t finish their studies.
                        See "The Amazing Facts of Russia" -
                        https://www.politforums.net/internal/1280826760.h
                        tml
                2. 0
                  4 November 2017 01: 03
                  Exactly, said Dougal Douglas (The Ballad of the Suburbs, Muriel Spark). “A systematic system, said clerk Vanek. That's it. A systematic systematic system, answered the voluntary Marek” (Yaroslav Hasek). "And This is proven at the inductive and deductive level." (Tatyana, dear Tatyana. "But Suvorov - he is from the Armenians, actually. This is Admiral Nakhimov from, you know who.
                  1. +3
                    4 November 2017 12: 45
                    Quote: Rogue1812
                    But Suvorov - he is from the Armenians, actually. This is Admiral Nakhimov from, you know who.
                    Of your kind - Hitler, And Suvorov, a stupid Jew, Russian, in Russia, like in any normal nation, nationality by father and not mother, well, how did you drag Nakhimov here, do you have stress with psychotherapy?
                3. 0
                  4 November 2017 12: 28
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  For example, the national composition of 500 officials of the highest Soviet government in 1918–1919. was distributed as follows (8):
                  Hungarians…1 → 0,01%........ Finns…..3 → 0,03%
                  Georgians……..1 → 0,01% ........ Armenians……..12 → 2%
                  Imeretians….1 → 0,01%........ Germans…….12 → 2%
                  Karaites….1 → 0,01%........ Russians….. 30 → 5%
                  Chekhov……... 1 → 0,01%........ Latvians… 34 → 6%
                  Polyakov……2 → 0,02%........ JEWS…477 → 83%
                  Thus, the overwhelming predominance of Jews in the management of SOVIET Russia from the very beginning of Soviet power was obvious.
                  If it were not for Stalin with the purge of the party from the Trotsky-Zinoviev bloc in 1937-1938, the USSR would hardly have won the Second World War!

                  Moreover, a similar situation has persisted today in the Russian Federation, but probably to an even greater extent, since statistics on the nationality of members of the country's leadership at all levels are carefully hidden from publicity. Moreover, it is proposed to completely eliminate the column "nationality" in the passport.
                  This suggests that in Soviet Russia and the Russian Federation the central and federal power belongs to the Jews, and not to the Russians, as it was before, in tsarist times, and is now thought by inertia. And the departure of the Jewish revolutionaries from true internationalism, which they were the first to preach before coming to power in Russia and all the years of Soviet power, was due to their Jewish mentality, which in turn was determined by their national religion - Judaism, the foundation of the Masonic movement for the dominance of world Zionism. And the ideas of Zionists are set forth in the protocols of the 1st Zionist Congress (9), the authenticity of which should now be considered already proven both at the inductive and deductive level of research on this problem.
                  See Zueva T.F. Russian question. National crisis and democracy: the administrative-territorial structure of Russia. - St. Petersburg: A.S. Suvorin of the Union of Writers of Russia, 1995 .-- 32 p. - P.25-26.
                  The brochure is, in particular, in the electronic catalog of the Russian National Library. Through the Internet you can find and read it from any city.

                  Masonic movement for the rule of world Zionism is cool)))))
                  The best analogue is the communist movement for the rule of Eskimo capitalism ...
              2. +2
                4 November 2017 15: 48
                Quote: Tatiana
                Thus, national problems in the Soviet Union were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. The counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR as a whole only raised national bourgeois deformations that had already taken place from the bottom to the surface during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.

                You came up with this nonsense, were you a clown of all Russia, Zhirinovsky sprayed all this?
                Thinking people think and speak differently.
                http://zavtra.ru/blogs/revolyutciya_i_rossiya
                1. +1
                  4 November 2017 16: 13
                  badens1111
                  You came up with this nonsense, were you a clown of all Russia, Zhirinovsky sprayed all this?
                  Thinking people think and speak differently.
                  http://zavtra.ru/blogs/revolyutciya_i_rossiya
                  Well here is an EXTRACT from the material you indicated:
                  Secondly, this is an external management problem. The weakness of power, its isolation from society and the desire to live at the expense of this society makes the government a hostage of foreign capital (because it has no one to rely on inside the country), turning it into a mechanism of external government, obviously indifferent to the future of the country and its people. Since the Witte reforms, Russia has been a battleground for English, French, American and German capital, and this dependence was only weakened to the limit (only weakened, but not completely overcome!) by Stalin. That is precisely why Stalin is so hated by the West, and after it by the domestic "liberals."

                  Today, global capital through its "agent of influence" almost completely controls the socio-economic policy of our state, in many ways its domestic and partly even foreign policy. The Russian Federation in its current form is not capable of providing the people with either a decent standard of living, or, especially, development. AND Russian political liberalism is the “needle” through which resources are pumped from the country to the West: raw materials, financial, human and so on.

                  Serving external interests makes power destructive, and class - deaf to the needs of society. In total, this ensures as in the last period of tsarism, the insanity of power, the unsolvability of key problems, the blocking of development and a deadlock in which conspiracies are inevitable. The situation for us so far has been mitigated by the global crisis, which distracts the attention and forces of the Western "elites" and leaves the Russian authorities a certain space for maneuver and advancement of their interests. But one must understand that the crisis is not eternal, and Russia will emerge from it, most likely, weakened and technologically backward in comparison with the main "centers of power." As far as one can judge, the modern Russian state was created within the framework of the USSR to plunder the Soviet legacy. And, although Russian foreign policy began to at least strive to protect the sovereignty and thereby the interests of the people, the socio-economic policy remained liberal. This hybrid is not viable: if the people do not normalize socio-economic policies and ensure the transition from plundering the country to its development, it will drag Russia into a new Troubles.

                  The situation is aggravated by the fact that the robbery of the bulk of the material resources inherited from Soviet civilization was accompanied by the robbery of social resources of society. Since 1991, the country has undergone powerful social reforms aimed at depriving people of their usual (and, strictly speaking, necessary) living conditions. Outwardly, it looks like the destruction of everyday life, like the destruction of the very possibility of a normal life. The "social contract" that somehow ensured "Putin's stability" can easily be denounced by the authorities, since the "pie" produced on the territory of our country is no longer becoming, there is no development. Moreover, even the formal nationalization, which the domestic “leftists” insist on, is completely insufficient here: we need real control of the society so that the public property is managed in its interests, and not in the private interests of the managers. But such control is impossible in the context of the global "dollar dictatorship."
                  see -revolyutciya_i_rossiya
                  And in what did you see the contradictions in the material you indicated with what was said by me and the same Zhirinovsky on the Russian question?
                  1. +2
                    4 November 2017 18: 49
                    [quote = Tatyana] And in what did you see the contradictions in the material you indicated with what was said by me and the same Zhirinovsky on the Russian question? [/ quote]
                    You really don’t understand?
                    Zhirinovsky and the Russians, is it that you really decided to assure the venerable assembly that this talker is somehow concerned in particular with the Russian people and their needs?
                    Have you at least read what you were given? Or do you read only that and because it is more convenient for you?
                    http://zavtra.ru/blogs/revolyutciya_i_rossiya
                    "The modern Russian state, as far as one can judge, was created within the framework of the USSR to plunder the Soviet legacy. And, although Russian foreign policy at least sought to protect the sovereignty and thereby the interests of the people, the socio-economic policy remained liberal. This hybrid is not viable: if the people do not normalize socio-economic policy, will not ensure the transition from the sacking of the country to its development - it will drag Russia into a new Troubles. [/ quote]
                    Have you read this? And who else but your vaunted Zhirinovsky justifies all this, verbally promising each peasant a woman, and each woman a calico? And in realities, why and why is your Zhirinovsky worried?
                    what is Zhirinovsky
                    https://my.mail.ru/mail/ded-ka/video/56069/55147.
                    html
                    For many years, the real name of the father of a prominent parliamentarian and multiple presidential candidate was carefully hidden. And only when Vladimir Volfovich was already at the top of the political Olympus and headed the largest faction in the State Duma for the second time, information leaked through the American press that he studied at the school of Alma-Ata under the simple “Russian” surname Edelstein until he was eighteen years old. Information was provided during the visit to the US by President Nursultan Nazarbayev, giving the Americans a complete set of copies of archival documents about the famous countryman.

                    According to the stories of Zhirinovsky, his dad Wolf Andreyevich left Alma-Ata in 1946 and he never saw him again. Dad returned to his homeland in Poland. And now, after 60 years, his grave was found in Israel.

                    So when did the multiple presidential candidate lie to voters? Is always!
                    1. +2
                      4 November 2017 22: 14
                      badens1111
                      So when did the multiple presidential candidate lie to voters? Is always!
                      Well, dear Vlad! You just touched me! laughing I probably know more about Zhirinovsky than you. Yes
                      Firstly, Zhirinovsky is not always wrong.
                      Secondly, for me there are no absolute authorities.
                      Thirdly, you compared me to Zhirinovsky - and I answered you this comparison.
                      Fourth. Am I calling for Zhirinovsky to vote in the presidential election in the Russian Federation? No. I myself don’t know yet who I will vote for.
                      hi
          2. The comment was deleted.
        4. +9
          3 November 2017 21: 51
          Elena Zakharova
          Vend 03.11.2017 15: 23 ↑
          Russian is a state of mind and lifestyle.
          Bullshit and nonsense.
          Probably also think that Russian as a nationality does not exist, right?
          Well done Elena! I fully support you!
          1. +11
            3 November 2017 22: 23
            I always knew that in VO there are more adequate and smart people than illiterate Russophobes.
            Thank you for your support!
        5. +1
          3 November 2017 21: 53
          Yes, there is not a discussion but a swara ....
          you think something can be proved?
          I do not believe.
          1. +13
            3 November 2017 22: 24
            Quote: mixai1bk
            you think something can be proved?

            You must always answer, otherwise they will say tomorrow that the Russians agreed that there are no Russians.
            1. 0
              13 November 2017 19: 36
              Well, of course you need to answer, but if someone clearly ziggles and scoffs, does this make sense .....
              1. +2
                13 November 2017 20: 55
                Quote: mixai1bk
                someone is clearly zigging

                Under such a vague wording, anyone can be accused of Nazism.
                It is simply not serious to state in this form.
                Who are the judges?
                And who appointed them?
        6. +3
          4 November 2017 12: 02
          Do not quarrel . please .. Do not be like Svidomo! There is such a Russian nationality, but there is also a Russian state of mind. You need to love your homeland. Be Russian.
        7. 0
          4 November 2017 18: 09
          I'm just sure !!! This is not a nationality, just like that, we must hammer it to every Natsik !!!!
        8. +1
          4 November 2017 19: 46
          Bullshit and nonsense. Probably also think that Russian as a nationality does not exist, right?

          It all depends on what measures to measure genetics or society? On the part of genetics, probably yes, although rather Slavs, and from the point of view of society, so Russian is something that, according to Russian traditions, lives.
          And here, as they say, there is a cultural dissonance, the Russians as a nation seem to be there, but if almost every root has no roots, there are no Russians. Because "being determines consciousness." In support of this I will give an example from the oil north where the expansion of Caucasians and Central Asians gave rise to a powerful movement of skins at the same time under which the Tatars and all kinds of khans, Mansi and Ukrainians were united under the "Russian" idea, they were united by one they were local tobish grown in the north and opposed the imported culture.
        9. 0
          29 November 2017 13: 35
          Are you from Krivichy, Vyatichi or Chyuda? After all, different peoples and not all of them are Slavs!
      2. +13
        3 November 2017 15: 38
        Nothing personal against Stalin, and the poster in the article.
        But a reasonable question arises: if Stalin was Russian of Georgian nationality, then why did he drag everything to Georgia and Russia, while the RSFSR only said sweet words and toasts?
        1. +24
          3 November 2017 16: 09
          Elena Zakharova Today, 15:38 ​​↑ New
          then why did he drag everything to Georgia
          Has your family also stolen the screen? Can you list the "dragged away" by Stalin? laughing
          By the way, Steel wasn’t the only one who dragged everything along the outskirts, this is generally the principled position of almost all the rulers of Russia. The Russian Empire is the only empire where the outskirts (read the colonies) lived at the expense of the metropolis, and not the metropolis at the expense of the colonies.
          This is so for you, a brief tour of the history of Russia.
          1. +15
            3 November 2017 16: 21
            I know Istria better than you, and therefore I always say that Russian people should be at the head of Russia. sign, not spiritually.
            Then they will not drag along their outskirts, otherwise they will declare that he is Russian in spirit, but pulls everything to his outskirts, and not vice versa.
            1. +30
              3 November 2017 16: 31
              Elena Zakharova Today, 16:21 ​​↑ New
              Istria I know you better
              Where does such self-confidence come from?
              and therefore I always say that at the head of Russia should be Russian people of nat. sign, not spiritually.
              Bullshit ... EBN and Gorbachev where as Russian in nationality, but not in spirit. Do you prefer such rulers? "Historian" you are our sofa. But I prefer that Russia was ruled by such people as German Catherine the Great or Georgian Joseph Stalin, and not the skin of a corrupt Gorbachev or drunk Yeltsin.
              You would not write about the "knowledge" of history, do not disgrace better. negative
              1. +11
                3 November 2017 16: 55
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                EBN and Gorbachev are much like Russians by nationality, but not in spirit.

                EBN and humpbacked is a product of the Soviet system.
                1. +30
                  3 November 2017 17: 07
                  Elena Zakharova Today, 16:55 ↑
                  EBN and humpbacked is a product of the Soviet system.
                  What do you mean? belay And whose product is Peter III or Nicholas II? Also the Bolsheviks tried? laughing laughing laughing
                  In principle, everything is clear with you, it is not in vain that they say: "scratch the anti-Soviet, you will find a Russophobe." This fully reflects your essence. Whoever screams most of all that he is "purebred Russian" is the one who hates Russia and Russians the most!
                  1. +11
                    3 November 2017 17: 13
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    "scratch the anti-Soviet, you will find a Russophobe."

                    The exact definition.
                    Take a look at the mail. You are truly appreciated.
                  2. The comment was deleted.
                    1. The comment was deleted.
                      1. The comment was deleted.
                      2. +8
                        3 November 2017 18: 59
                        Nationalism is a healthy state of society, which is fighting to preserve its culture and the people themselves, which in our case have developed enough to distinguish between foreign agents, which, hating "the greatest and most rebellious" (c), penetrated the government so that it destroy. The article is a deception, a substitution of concepts, nationalism appeared precisely. as a protective reaction from degenerative decomposition by foreigners who actively began to pick up the keys to a great power at the end of the 19 century. For it was Russia that destroyed the backstage plans of the degenerates to transform Europe and America ..
                    2. +5
                      3 November 2017 23: 02
                      Quote: Elena Zakharova
                      You forgot to write to me that if I can’t stand the Communists, then I’m not Russian.
                      Everything is clear with you too, commie ....

                      You can love someone, you can not love, this has nothing to do with Russianness of course. But here, “Everything is clear with you too, commie ....” this doesn’t color you, you need to motivate your opinion, not hang up labels. Phi is not beautiful.
              2. +7
                3 November 2017 22: 56
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                EBN and Gorbachev are much like Russians by nationality, but not in spirit. Do you prefer such rulers? "Historian" you are our sofa. But I prefer that Russia was ruled by such people as the German Catherine the Great or the Georgian Joseph Stalin, and not the skin of a corrupt Gorbachev or drunk Yeltsin

                What side is Gorbachev Russian? Stavropol Territory, henpecked, Ukrainian wife. EBN is an alcoholic, the wife is Jewish, and alcoholics are always with his wife under the heel.
                So, your example just contradicts your own concept.
                1. +3
                  4 November 2017 01: 24
                  E_V_N
                  Varyag_0711
                  EBN and Gorbachev are much like Russians by nationality, but not in spirit. Do you prefer such rulers?
                  What side is Gorbachev Russian?
                  There was an article "Who are Gorbachev and Andropov", in which it is written:
                  The Russian patriotic writer Ivan Vladimirovich Drozdov (front-line soldier, war veteran, awarded orders and medals) reveals the reasons for the betrayal of Andropov and Gorbachev: Andropov - One hundred percent religious Jew. His real name Ehrenstein-Lieberman. Well, ah Gorbachev no and not Gorbachev, but Guider.
                  Ivan Vladimirovich Drozdov says that all censors in the USSR were instructed to cross out two words in all publications - “Russian” and “Jew”. These two words were forbidden.

                  See - http://maxpark.com/community/129/content/1663854
                2. 0
                  4 November 2017 12: 39
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  EBN and Gorbachev are much like Russians by nationality, but not in spirit. Do you prefer such rulers? "Historian" you are our sofa. But I prefer that Russia was ruled by such people as the German Catherine the Great or the Georgian Joseph Stalin, and not the skin of a corrupt Gorbachev or drunk Yeltsin

                  What side is Gorbachev Russian? Stavropol Territory, henpecked, Ukrainian wife. EBN is an alcoholic, the wife is Jewish, and alcoholics are always with his wife under the heel.
                  So, your example just contradicts your own concept.

                  Yes, nationality by wife. ))))
                  Well, that is not for the car ...
              3. +2
                4 November 2017 12: 10
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                EBN and Gorbachev are much like Russians by nationality, but not in spirit. Do you prefer such rulers? "Historian" you are our sofa. But I prefer that Russia was ruled by such people as German Catherine the Great or Georgian Joseph Stalin, and not the skin of a corrupt Gorbachev or drunk Yeltsin.

                What kind of nonsense .. Yeltsin is a typical Jew, simply typical. Gorbachev is generally rooted from somewhere .. If in the second something else can be scraped up to be called Russian, the first has nothing to do with Russian at all.
                1. +1
                  4 November 2017 15: 21
                  Quote: CorvusCoraks
                  Yeltsin is a typical Jew, the most typical is simple. Gorbachev is generally rooted from somewhere .. If in the second something else can be scraped up to be called Russian, the first has nothing to do with Russian at all.

                  Well ... In the Stavropol Territory, there are a lot of Gorbachev’s relatives, and so, there aren’t a single Jew who works in the city, who is still in the village. BUT ALL RUSSIANS and absolutely negatively respond to this bald shame of the Gorbachevs.
                  Yeltsin, it’s good to sing tales that he is a Jew, he is from the Russians, as it is not trivial for us, so do not compose fairy tales, it is disgusting.

                  For the difficult task of creating a generational painting of the Yeltsin family, the young historian-archivist Dmitry Panov undertook. He is a member of the Association of Amateur Genealogists, Director of the Genealogical Bureau, a senior researcher at AROS (Archives of Russia).

                  Dmitry Arkadyevich carried out incredibly difficult work, looking for information about the ancestors of Boris Yeltsin in the state archives of the Perm and Sverdlovsk regions. Partially preserved metric books, confessional sheets, revision tales, and other unique sources underwent thorough and comprehensive research.

                  Based on the studied documents, D. Panov came to the conclusion that the Yeltsin clan came to the Urals, most likely, during its development by immigrants from Novgorod the Great. In any case, the name Yelizarko Yelets was listed back in 1495 in the scribe books of the Sytninsky churchyard. But this is only an assumption. So far, the earliest documents on the direct ancestors of B.N. Yeltsin on the male line are the “Confessional Gazette of the Basmanovsky Village” of 1803, where the family of the peasant Anika Sergeyev’s son Yeltsin, who was 77 years old at that time, is mentioned. Http: // www. plam.ru/hist/tainy_ushedshego_veka
                  _sensacii_antisensacii_supersensacii / p23.php
                  1. +3
                    4 November 2017 16: 06
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Dmitry Arkadevich carried out incredibly difficult work, searching the state archives of the Perm and Sverdlovsk Regions

                    Dad at your Dmitry - Arkady! One of the favorite names of European Ashkenazi Jews)))
                    And should we believe his "incredibly difficult job"?
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Based on the studied documents, D. Panov came to the conclusion that the Yeltsin clan came to the Urals, most likely, during its development by immigrants from Novgorod the Great. In any case, the name Yelizarko Yelets was listed back in 1495 in the scribe books of the Sytninsky churchyard ....

                    Well, you missed!)))
                    "Elizarz Yelts ..." is that evidence of the Russian origin of our "dear" Yeltsman?
                    The name Elizarco (ELIZAR, ILLAZAR, LAZARUS) is a Jewish name!
                    About YELTS do not even stutter. And in general, as EBN treated the Russian people and ruled Russia, so the Slav would not act. By the way, he also pathologically hated the Germans and took revenge on them. Why?
              4. +3
                4 November 2017 12: 56
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                EBN and Gorbachev are much like Russians by nationality, but not in spirit.

                A good example of a verbiage under the nickname Varyag, quite a Guz Elzin. and Gorbachev’s mother is from Chernigov, and most importantly, they were members of the liquid communist party, which to a large extent caused their corruption and stupidity.
              5. +2
                4 November 2017 14: 32
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                Bullshit ... EBN and Gorbachev where as Russian in nationality, but not in spirit. Do you prefer such rulers?

                UNCLE EBN Boris Moiseich Eltsin Chekist. It’s clear what origin
                The hunchbacked wife, Raisa Maksutovna Titarenko, also has Jewish roots.
                Yes, and he is a hunchback, if you look closely and dig not a simple bug.
                Why would a freemason Andropov (Finkelstein seem?) Promote a non-Jew in power?
                I am not against normal Jews, but those Zionofashists who want to tear our country to shreds and exterminate the Russian people are not friends at all to us.
            2. +11
              3 November 2017 20: 12
              Correctly write. It is advisable that not only the head of state be Russian, but also the posts of power and financial ministries that are headed by Russians.
              ---------------------------------------
              opponents.
              Lovers of the state of the Russian soul and verbal aggression against a woman? What are you talking about?
              1. +2
                4 November 2017 12: 13
                Quote: garnik
                Lovers of the state of the Russian soul and verbal aggression against a woman? What are you talking about?

                So everything is just right, this is a very careful attitude towards women in our culture, and this is by no means always the case with foreigners.
                1. +3
                  4 November 2017 12: 33
                  I have always admired and admire the Russian people. But I can’t accept it when they swear in the presence of women. In the East and the Caucasus, obscenities can only be expressed with a woman with a lowered social status. The moderators are saving us from the forum from this (mate). Thank you for this.
          2. +4
            3 November 2017 16: 22
            Delusional statement
            1. +14
              3 November 2017 16: 24
              And what do you dislike in my opinion?
              Probably dreaming that again 14 republics would sit on the neck of Russia and further suck as it was during the years of Soviet power?
              1. +5
                3 November 2017 20: 25
                Of the 15 republics, 11 were subsidized, and so the USSR provided half the world - consider it for free.
          3. +1
            3 November 2017 22: 51
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            By the way, Steel wasn’t the only one who dragged everything along the outskirts, this is generally the principled position of almost all the rulers of Russia.

            And who were the rulers of Russia? The Romanovs are so in their family almost all women since Peter I are German. In the USSR, Stalin - Georgians, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko, Gorbachev - Ukraine. What for them is the RSFSR and the Russians.
        2. +2
          3 November 2017 19: 41
          And it was necessary to drag from Georgia to Russia? What to drag something? There were not even tangerines and tea there.
          1. +7
            3 November 2017 20: 40
            Quote: meandr51
            There were not even tangerines and tea there.

            Mandarins and most of the tea are not Georgia, but Abkhazia and Adjara.
          2. +1
            4 November 2017 12: 15
            Quote: meandr51
            And it was necessary to drag from Georgia to Russia? What to drag something? There were not even tangerines and tea there.

            It was necessary not to drag anything from Russia, but to invest everything here.
            And from Georgia everything to Georgia, etc., that would be who earned something, that he received. And no occupation, everything is honest and transparent.
        3. 0
          4 November 2017 18: 11
          If not for Stalin, they would not have won the war !!!!
        4. 0
          29 November 2017 13: 41
          You are mistaken! Beria dragged to Georgia. I even wanted to join Crimea to Georgia. But Stalin slowed him down! It was Beria that made Georgia what it was!
      3. 0
        3 November 2017 17: 41
        Russian is fate!
      4. +9
        3 November 2017 18: 25
        Quote: Wend
        Russian is a state of mind and lifestyle.

        Not true. The state of mind is changeable. And the way of life is changing. So Russian in state of mind is something not permanent, like a color for a chameleon. lol
        Such a "Russian" came to his place in Armenia, BAAAA! He is Armenian !!! good
        Or returned such a "Russian" in Israel .... hi
        1. +1
          4 November 2017 12: 16
          Quote from serry
          Not true. The state of mind is changeable. And the way of life is changing. So Russian in state of mind is something not permanent, like a color for a chameleon.

          Here it is, today it’s all so Russian, and tomorrow it’s a typical European
    2. +24
      3 November 2017 15: 36
      A people without national identity is dung, on whose body other peoples grow
      / Stolypin /
      1. 0
        3 November 2017 15: 45
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        A people without national identity is dung, on whose body other peoples grow
        / Stolypin /

        So we have it, self-awareness.
        1. +13
          3 November 2017 15: 54
          Who do you have, NOT Russian?
          And that’s why you spread nonsense on the Internet?
          1. +5
            3 November 2017 16: 00
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            Who do you have, NOT Rutsk?
            And that’s why you spread nonsense on the Internet?

            Well, you don’t understand the Russian identity, judging by the comment. Don’t get so angry, because you don’t get on the keys laughing
            1. +15
              3 November 2017 16: 03
              No need to worry about me, there is a "fix" function.
              Russian self-consciousness can never be understood by people like you, and no matter how much you try to write nonsense on the Internet that Russians are a phantom, nothing will come of it.
              1. +2
                3 November 2017 16: 05
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                No need to worry about me, there is a "fix" function.
                Russian self-consciousness can never be understood by people like you, and no matter how much you try to write nonsense on the Internet that Russians are a phantom, nothing will come of it.

                Well, enlighten the true Russian who did not name her ancestors to the seventh generation.
                1. +12
                  3 November 2017 16: 21
                  And who are you to report to you?
                  Troll?
                  At a surcharge?
                  1. +6
                    3 November 2017 16: 35
                    Quote: Elena Zakharova
                    And who are you to report to you?
                    Troll?
                    At a surcharge?

                    Judging by the comments, you are probably an aggressive troll.
                    1. +20
                      3 November 2017 16: 56
                      Any Russian will understand my comments.
                      And you actively deny the existence of Russian nationality.
                      1. +2
                        3 November 2017 18: 23
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Any Russian will understand my comments.
                        And you actively deny the existence of Russian nationality.

                        Why are you fooling their heads? Tell them simply: I am a Russian nationalist!
                      2. +1
                        3 November 2017 23: 05
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Any Russian will understand my comments.
                        Where the homeland was born there, that means the nationality will be officially indicated in the passport .... But it’s culture is conditional, much has been borrowed, names, words, art .... "which is good for one, can be detrimental to others." winked My nickname has no nationality ..... tongue
                2. +1
                  3 November 2017 16: 23
                  Are there French and Jews up to the seventh generation?
                  1. +1
                    3 November 2017 16: 35
                    Quote: Morrrow
                    Are there French and Jews up to the seventh generation?

                    Ask the French.
                  2. 0
                    3 November 2017 18: 28
                    Genetic analysis for 100 = 200 dollars and everything is at a glance, go for it! hi
                3. +2
                  3 November 2017 23: 13
                  Quote: Wend
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  No need to worry about me, there is a "fix" function.
                  Russian self-consciousness can never be understood by people like you, and no matter how much you try to write nonsense on the Internet that Russians are a phantom, nothing will come of it.

                  Well, enlighten the true Russian who did not name her ancestors to the seventh generation.

                  You know, an ordinary person does not remember and knows nothing about the worldview even of his great-grandfathers. And this is only 4 generation. If a person after talking with grandfathers and parents considers himself Russian, then we can safely assume that there are Russians up to the seventh generation.
              2. 0
                29 November 2017 13: 49
                Where did the projects of the Ural Republic and Novgorod come from then? Do not confuse the state with nationalities! I would single out citizenship and state interests. And following them!
        2. 0
          4 November 2017 00: 17
          By the way, Stolypin is also not Russian by nationality!
    3. +19
      3 November 2017 16: 22
      It’s necessary to discuss. Some are deceiving. What did the king say wrong?
      1. +11
        3 November 2017 16: 25
        And here is another for knowledge.
    4. +6
      3 November 2017 17: 35
      Only Suvorov did not know that he was a Tatar family and considered himself a descendant of leaving Sweden, but we better know that.
    5. +13
      3 November 2017 18: 54
      The author of this libel is Russophobe. This is what Russian nationalism is.
      "Nationalism is manifested primarily in the instinct of national self-preservation; and this instinct is a true and justified state.
      You should not be ashamed of it, extinguish or suppress it; it is necessary to comprehend it in the face of God, to spiritually justify and ennoble its manifestations. This instinct should not be asleep in the soul of the people, but to stay awake. He does not live at all “on the other side of good and evil”, on the contrary, he is subject to the laws of good and spirit. He must have his manifestations in love, sacrifice, courage and wisdom; he must have his festivities, his joys, his sorrows and his prayers. National unity must be born out of it, in all its instinctive “bee” and formicity. ”It must burn in the national culture and in the work of national genius.

      What is nationalism?

      Nationalism is a love of the historical appearance and creative act of its people in all its originality. Nationalism is a belief in the instinctive and spiritual strength of its people, a belief in its spiritual calling. Nationalism is the will of my people to flourish creatively and freely in God's garden. Nationalism is the contemplation of its people in the face of God, the contemplation of its soul, its shortcomings, its talents, its historical problems, its dangers and its temptations. Nationalism is a system of actions arising from this love, from this faith, from this will and from this contemplation.
      That is why a national feeling is a spiritual fire leading a person to service and sacrifice, and a people to spiritual prosperity. "Ivan Ilyin.

      “Yes, we believe that the Russian nation is an extraordinary phenomenon in the history of all mankind. The character of the Russian people is not so similar to the characters of all modern European peoples that Europeans still do not understand it and understand everything in it ..." Fedor Dostoevsky

      "In fact, to whom should Russia belong, if not the people who created it, developed it and made it one of the first world powers? All the foreign tribes that are part of the Russian Empire opposed the creation and development of Russia with all their might, and many of them, for example, the Tatars, Swedes, Poles, Caucasians and Central Asian tribes inflicted heavy blows to her at different times; therefore, they should not be masters in Russia, despite the obstacles they created, but the Russian people, who are alone with their princes and kings overcame these obstacles under the shadow of the Orthodox Church and created that harmonious cultural state, which included his former enemies, finding in him a strong bulwark for his peaceful continued existence. "Vladimir Gringmut.
      1. +1
        5 November 2017 17: 13
        Thanks for the quotes Nonna.
    6. 0
      4 November 2017 13: 32
      Alexander Suvorov was Russian and he always wanted to serve in the Russian army and he would have got there without Hannibal :)
    7. +1
      9 November 2017 10: 57
      Just like girls with their selfies - don’t feed bread, let me post some nonsense. Do you figure out what you write - an "interesting fact" or still "according to legend"? And then read something about Suvorov’s childhood, how he prepared himself for military service. Nicky clowns come up with of course easier than reading books.
      1. 0
        9 November 2017 10: 59
        Nicky clowns come up with of course easier than reading books.

        Excuse me?
  2. +8
    3 November 2017 15: 15
    Soviet tovarischi are unhappy that the Russians exist and still blather, they want their own state ... Well, if it’s prickling, go out on November 4 to the “Georgian Multinational Tolerant March” with portraits of Dzhugashvili, Dzerzhinsky and the slogan “Russians do not exist!”, Who bothers you!
  3. +3
    3 November 2017 15: 15
    - German Barclay de Tolly
    ..scots moving to Germany ...
    1. 0
      3 November 2017 20: 03
      Quote: parusnik
      the Scots who moved to Germany ..

      In a series of Svej, Frankish and other Germans, Scottish erupted ...
  4. +21
    3 November 2017 15: 20
    ... As Emperor Alexander I would say (he is far from being a Russian by blood) “they were all Russian” ... And it remains to be seen what would happen to Russia if a real Russian were Joseph Dzhugashvili, together with all the peoples of the USSR not revived her literally from the ashes.

    Emperor Alexander I correctly said in the 19th century, and in the 20th century - Army General and Hero of the Soviet Union Margelov V.F., his thought continued:
    1. +2
      4 November 2017 01: 12
      Right!!! And even the same Bagration, the prince was Georgian, but the Russian general!
  5. +19
    3 November 2017 15: 42
    How tired of this verbiage is about Russians, about the fact that we are not, that this is only an image and a state of mind.
    There are Russians!
    To all these scumbags who deny this and write all the nonsense of the Soviet past, they are simply trying to dirt our heads with verbiage, which ultimately will not lead to anything good.

    In this case, it’s better to discuss an almost universal situation, when someone of another nationality declares that he is Russian by state of mind, they say, appreciate and love me, and then, after a while, when it becomes unprofitable for him, he recalls his national roots and becomes a nationalist , and practically Russophobe.

    Examples - a million!
    For example, from fresh - Akayev, Chingis Aitmatov ....
    1. +25
      3 November 2017 16: 17
      Elena Zakharova Today, 15:42 New
      How tired of this verbiage is about Russians, about the fact that we are not, that this is only an image and a state of mind.
      There are Russians!
      And who argues that they are?
      The question is, who will be considered Russian? How to check? Skull compass?
      I’m wondering, is Chubais Russian? And Sytin? And who is Vlasov? Not really Jews? laughing And EBN with labeled?
      Do not you think that your philosophy of Nazism stinks a mile away?
      1. +1
        3 November 2017 16: 25
        What is Nazism?
      2. +18
        3 November 2017 16: 31
        It smacks of Nazism from you, because dear, that you deny the existence of such a nationality as Russians.
        And Russians, by the way, are a nation-forming nation!
        I reminded you if you forgot.

        And yet, I do not know the case when in the last census, for example, Chechens recorded themselves as Russian.
        Fools of different counts, they who just did not declare themselves, murzilki, cheburashki ....
        1. +22
          3 November 2017 16: 48
          Elena Zakharova Today, 16:31 ​​↑ New
          It smacks of Nazism from you, because dear, that you deny the existence of such a nationality as Russians.

          Well, you cunning people
          Already take a dope
          Everybody thinks a freak
          Despite himself ****
          (Leonid Filatov)
          And then, where did you see in my comments the denial of Russians as a nationality? Just for me your interpretation of Russian is unacceptable. With such interpretations, the Germans made a "clean" nation. With such interpretations, now our “brothers” from Ruin are making Ukrainians from Little Russians. So you are not Russian, you are a Nazi, that's all!
          1. +11
            3 November 2017 17: 11
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            And then, where did you see in my comments the denial of Russians as a nationality?

            I saw in your comments the active denial of the existence of Russian nationality, and the mass of soviet verbiage, which is not a proven fact.
            You can consider yourself anyone, but the nationality that you inherited from your parents will not change.
            1. +2
              4 November 2017 12: 33
              Quote: Elena Zakharova
              You can consider yourself anyone, but the nationality that you inherited from your parents will not change.

              Actually, from the fact that blacks in the USA are now called African-Americans, they have not ceased to be blacks ...
          2. +2
            4 November 2017 03: 41
            "you are a Nazi, that's all" - justify. And what is a “Nazi" if you love that word so much? Justify your shortcuts. Otherwise you are verbiage. By the way, those who studied at least in elementary school, you write with a capital letter.
            1. +1
              4 November 2017 15: 20
              Quote: Sergey Krotov
              you are a Nazi, that's all "- justify. And what is a" Nazi ", if you love this word so much? Justify your labels

              Stopudovo he is ZionizdInternationalist
          3. +2
            4 November 2017 15: 15
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            With such interpretations, now our “brothers” from Ruin are making Ukrainians from Little Russians.


            So there, in ruin, your Jewish brothers rule with fire and sword. And make a new race from the Little Russians
            1. +1
              4 November 2017 15: 26
              Quote: Alikos
              So there, in ruin, your Jewish brothers rule with fire and sword. And make a new race from the Little Russians

              Why are you turning what Varyag0711 said?
              For whom is the secret that there are not a small number of Russian Nazis in the gangs of nationalists in Ruin? Who else is the secret that the Nazi terrorist battalions are kept on the money of Kolomoisky?
              And for whom is the secret that the state in Ukraine ramped up with the stupid heads of the Nazis (crooked, oblique, misunderstanding, and it is the state, but still ..), eventually leading to power the oligarchy, the very roof that you were so fond of?
              A bunch of Nazis, Trotskyist leftists and liberals, is deadly for the country, if you give free rein to this in our country, will not.
      3. +1
        4 November 2017 12: 32
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        I’m wondering, is Chubais Russian? And Sytin? And who is Vlasov? Not really Jews? And EBN with labeled?
        Do not you think that your philosophy of Nazism stinks a mile away?

        I answer Chubais, Yeltsin - 100 Jews. Tagged either Hohland, or also Jewry. About Sytin, Vlasov was not interested.
      4. The comment was deleted.
    2. +7
      3 November 2017 18: 57
      On the maternal side, my grandmother is a Polish Jewish woman, my grandfather is half Pole, half Russian, but my passport is Russian, so my father is also considered Russian .. My paternal side is my grandmother from the Volga Bulgars, my grandfather is a Don Cossack, and my passport is also Russian, like my mother. I am also Russian according to my passport. Now, understand the purity of my blood and deny me the right to be called Russian.
      1. +11
        3 November 2017 19: 43
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        On the maternal side, my grandmother is a Polish Jewess,

        What is there to understand?
        1. +5
          3 November 2017 20: 21
          Well, what nationality am I, if I have Jewish, Polish blood, the blood of the Volga Bulgars ... Where can I take myself? You write here: “any nationality is always the bearer of its national culture and history. An attempt to replace the culture bearers, in this case we are talking about Russian culture, by peoples of other nationalities will certainly lead to the crowding out and substitution of Russian culture, history, language and everything else, in including originality ... "So, in your opinion, I substitute Russian culture if, in addition to Russian culture, the culture of Jews and Poles is close to me. My paternal grandmother, although considered a Volga Bulgarian, her mother was Greek (they also lived on this territory) and my grandmother was baptized, even in her appearance she didn’t have anything Tatar .. So, I’m close to the Greek culture, besides Muslim. And at the same time I’m Russian. Still, what culture do I consider myself to be a carrier of?
          1. +10
            3 November 2017 20: 25
            Quote: Lyuba1965_01
            And at the same time I am Russian. Still, what culture should I consider myself to be a carrier of?

            Speak Russian, think Russian, are the bearer of the cultural traditions of Russian-Russian.
            And do not bother with answers, followers of lovers to measure skull compasses.
            1. +2
              4 November 2017 11: 28
              And what kind of Russian cultural customs does this aunt carry? Stoparik drink before lunch? Different nonsense in Russian to clatter on the clave? (as you yourself, however)
              1. +4
                4 November 2017 15: 52
                Quote: Sergey Krotov
                Different nonsense in Russian to clatter on the clave?

                Well, what are you looking for nonsense on the clave?
                I understand that your mind is not full, but besides stupidity, are you something, well, at least at the level of a second-grader in a normal school, can you give something out on the issue under consideration?
                Yes, and poke .. bad manners saying that you and culture, especially Russian, are the exact opposite.
          2. +8
            3 November 2017 20: 45
            Quote: Lyuba1965_01
            And at the same time, I'm Russian.

            If you wrote so much verbiage, then you are not Russian.
            Take it easy and take the situation for granted.
            1. +4
              4 November 2017 20: 33
              You have some kind of narrow thinking, although life is much more diverse. I wrote about myself in such detail because there are millions of people like me. And, therefore, they are not considered Russian? Also, in any nation you will find millions of cases like mine. And they also do not have the right to relate themselves to that nation to which they are entitled by mentality, upbringing, education?
              1. +3
                5 November 2017 00: 59
                Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                You have some kind of narrow thinking, although life is much more diverse. I wrote about myself in such detail because there are millions of people like me. And, therefore, they are not considered Russian? Also, in any nation you will find millions of cases like mine. And they also do not have the right to relate themselves to that nation to which they are entitled by mentality, upbringing, education?

                But who argues, you have the right to relate yourself to the nation to which you relate your mentality, upbringing and education. But the problem is that you yourself don’t know who to attribute yourself to, the Greeks are close to you, both Volga Bulgars, Jews with Poles and even Muslims (although it is not clear how nationality and religion are related). You decide who you are, why should someone decide for you? In the meantime, you are simply an undecided cosmopolitan who chooses which nation is more advantageous for you to join, I personally have the impression of what you wrote.
                1. +1
                  5 November 2017 09: 36
                  E_V_N
                  Lyuba1965_01
                  You have some kind of narrow thinking, although life is much more diverse. I wrote about myself in such detail because there are millions of people like me. And, therefore, they are not considered Russian? Same,in any nation you will find millions of cases like mine.And they also have no right to relate themselves to the nation to which they have the right by mentality, upbringing, education?
                  You decide who you are, why should someone decide for you? In the meantime you are just an undecided cosmopolitan choosing which nation it is FAVORABLE for you to join, I personally have this impression of what you wrote.
                  Very true remark and correct impression. The behavior of people - the so-called "ethnic half-breeds" - in ethnic conflicts specially studied in sociology. And the conclusion that you, Eugene, made, fully coincides with the conclusions of scientists. The consumerism of the half-breeds is NORMALLY completely drags them during ethnic conflicts to take the side of the ethnos of a privileged nationality. External aggressors of the country have always used this. Foreign intelligence on this principle, in particular, works.
                  Studying this issue is not an idle matter, but a matter of the country's national security.
                2. +4
                  5 November 2017 10: 42
                  All my life, from early childhood I was Russian. And I never considered any nation better than another. However, for me, however, it’s natural for me to drink and breathe, to be and feel myself Russian. even in the infamous 90s, I still felt myself Russian. And, honestly, I’m a little bitter that I have to prove something to someone and explain why I am Russian, and not Greek, Jewish or Polish, just because that she honestly wrote about her ancestors.
                  1. +2
                    5 November 2017 12: 36
                    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                    And, honestly, I’m a little bitter that I have to prove something to someone and explain why I am Russian, not Greek, Jewish or Polish, just because I honestly wrote about my ancestors.

                    Why do you explain this to the obviously clear provocateurs from the national democrats, who neither you, nor I, and Russia really need, since the puppeteers of this gang have structures sitting behind the puddle ... Tatyana just did not understand what the trap was ...
                    1. +4
                      5 November 2017 20: 02
                      Thank you for understanding. But Elena seems to me just kind of embittered, not understanding that life is much more diverse than dogmas and theories. In my own way, I sincerely feel sorry for her. Maybe someone offended her from representatives of other nations in Russia? But actually, after all, nobody in the comments or in the article denies the existence of the Russian nation. So why is she so angry? Nationalism should be healthy and healthy, not like schizophrenia. And with its behavior, it simply pushes away from itself and its own kind those who want and can benefit Russia. If its theories extend to a larger number of people, this will be the death of Russia , it may possibly cease to exist within its current borders. People forgive a lot, but not snobbery and contempt for themselves, especially the contemptuous attitude (which sticks out of it in every comment) to their ancestors.
                      1. +1
                        5 November 2017 21: 48
                        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                        People forgive a lot, but not snobbery and contempt for themselves, all the more contemptuous attitude (which directly sticks out of it in every comment) to their ancestors.

                        The brilliant response of this absurd madam. Thank you very much for her comments and the meaning of her statements.
                      2. +1
                        7 November 2017 14: 23
                        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                        But actually, no one in either the comments or the article denies the existence of the Russian nation.

                        You did not carefully read the beginning of the discussion, it all started with the argument of Elena who claimed that the Russian nation exists, with the assertion of a “group of comrades” that there is no Russian nation, but only a “state of mind”.
                        I agree that in the process of the dispute, Elena was sometimes expressed too emotionally, but essentially true.
          3. 0
            4 November 2017 02: 56
            Quote: Lyuba1965_01
            ..Where should I take myself?

            You have already been attributed to the Hebrews laughing
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            What is there to understand?
          4. +4
            4 November 2017 11: 39
            Specifically: in what exactly is it expressed that Russian culture is close to you? Kamarinskaya or something to dance on Saturdays? By the way, what kind of culture do you know at least? "Grandmother was Greek, which means Greek culture is close to me." Myths of ancient Greece do you know by heart? Or do you communicate in Greek fluently? Well, what about Jewish culture - generally a song. What is it all - Jewish culture - can you explain? Since she is so close to you.
            Take it easy. You are not Russian. You are an ordinary Russian-speaking creature, illiterate and nationless. You only have a Russian keyboard. There are millions of them.
            1. +4
              4 November 2017 21: 15
              Yes, I know very well other Greek mythology, I know the Greek literature of that time quite well, but this is because they taught it at the university. I really like Greek folk music, dances, especially performed by the Igor Moiseev ensemble. I like the Jewish "Hava Nagila" and Jewish songs performed by the Berry sisters. Talking about Jewish culture is a little difficult, because it contains components of different cultures of the world due to the fact that Jews, living in other countries, imperceptibly (perhaps) brought to their culture a piece of the cultures of that country where lived. Yes, and now Israel is a multinational country, so the symbiosis of cultures is ongoing. I know Russian culture well, much better than the culture of my ancestors, so I was cultivated at home .. Traditions, art, literature, music, language .. Yes, by the way about literacy. Please, if you point out to me my mistakes in my comments (grammatical or punctuation), I will be grateful, because none of us is perfect.
            2. +3
              5 November 2017 09: 43
              How interesting.

              Quote: Sergey Krotov

              Take it easy. You are not Russian. You are an ordinary Russian-speaking creature, illiterate and nationless. You only have a Russian keyboard. There are millions of them.


              Tell me, Sergey. Are you Russian? If so, can you consider your attitude to your interlocutor a model of Russianness?
              I have to ask you. You write something like this: "I, Sergey Krotov, Russian. Because:". And without water, please ..
              1. +3
                6 November 2017 13: 14
                It's easy to write, but to whom? I can write anything to Elena Zakharova, because I understand who is in front of me. I can Lyuba this one for the same reason. But to write to a certain anonymous and asexual character under the clique "tasha" - no, really.
                Go to Lyuba. Both of you have problems with self-worth. She is absolutely sure that for a few linear meters of chat people will talk only about her, her origin, her perplexities, etc. Indeed, the dream of any Lyuba is to attract attention to herself and to keep it on herself as long as possible. Well, for some reason, you are sure that your questions are interesting and that you will be giving out assignments that obedient boys will rush to fulfill.
                1. +1
                  6 November 2017 14: 20
                  Thanks for the answer, if this can be considered the answer. Alas, you did not manage to write anything original. You are no longer interesting to me ...
                2. +3
                  7 November 2017 13: 01
                  Quote: Sergey Krotov
                  I can write anything to Elena Zakharova, because I understand who is in front of me.

                  It will be very interesting to read))
                  I'm waiting!
              2. +1
                6 November 2017 15: 07
                Quote: tasha
                How interesting.

                Quote: Sergey Krotov

                Take it easy. You are not Russian. You are an ordinary Russian-speaking creature, illiterate and nationless. You only have a Russian keyboard. There are millions of them.


                Tell me, Sergey. Are you Russian? If so, can you consider your attitude to your interlocutor a model of Russianness?
                I have to ask you. You write something like this: "I, Sergey Krotov, Russian. Because:". And without water, please ..

                Tashka, your question is not correct and it’s probably right that Sergey Krotov did not want to answer you. But taking into account your reaction and your genuine joy from the fact that you “have put your interlocutor at a standstill”, I will still answer you.
                I am Russian, because my parents are both Russian on the paternal and maternal side (my father, his grandfather and great-grandfather on the birth certificate do not even have Russian, but "Great Russian" in their letters). My native and main language is Russian. I live in Russia and do not feel any trepidation and favor in front of other peoples and countries, I do not “despise” them, but I do not envy them either. I know and am interested in Russian history and literature. I work and I want Russia to be and remain a great power, as my fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers left it to us.
                1. +2
                  6 November 2017 17: 43
                  But given your reaction and your genuine joy from the fact that "put the interlocutor in a dead end"

                  Why did you decide that you understood my reaction and attribute to me genuine joy? These are your thoughts and you think them. Mine leave me ...

                  In any case, I understand your position.

                  Not very seriously, but a reason for reflection. Records of the birth certificates of your father, his grandfather and great-grandfather can not guarantee that you are Russian. You also need to collect documents on the maternal side. A genetic examination will not hurt ... And your knowledge of Russian history and literature does not mean anything. For advice on these issues, you should contact Sergey Krotov ... wink
                  1. 0
                    7 November 2017 14: 31
                    Quote: tasha
                    Not very seriously, but a reason for reflection. Records of the birth certificates of your father, his grandfather and great-grandfather can not guarantee that you are Russian. You also need to collect documents on the maternal side. A genetic examination will not hurt ... And your knowledge of Russian history and literature does not mean anything. For advice on these issues, you should contact Sergey Krotov ...

                    On the maternal side, I also have Russians and grandfather and great-grandfather. But the nationality of my parents is not the most important in my worldview of my Russianness. I am Russian because I feel like Russian, I am raising Russian children. And I don’t need any genetic or any other expertise, why should I look for the presence of “alien” blood, to whom and what should I prove?
                  2. 0
                    7 November 2017 14: 35
                    Quote: tasha
                    Why did you decide that you understood my reaction and attribute to me genuine joy? These are your thoughts and you think them. Mine leave me ...

                    Well, by the way you answered Sergei Krotov’s refusal to answer your question, I got just that impression. If this is not so, then either you have not very clearly stated your thoughts, or I have not grown to the high style of your presentation.
                    1. 0
                      7 November 2017 14: 49
                      You need to re-read my comments, the comments of Sergey Krotov again and slowly, and then draw any conclusions ...
                      To constantly repeat about the carelessness of the interlocutor and the narrowness of his thinking is simply impolite. Your manner of communication is unpleasant for me. Sincerely.
                2. +2
                  7 November 2017 12: 26
                  Dear E_V_N, I wanted to answer you on a topic that is not the main one in this chat.
                  Well, firstly, of course, the discussion of articles on the national question (albeit provocative, like this one) is welcome, because discussions and debates merely indicate a public need for clarity on this artificially confused issue. So it’s just wonderful that we have so many people who are not indifferent to their national roots. Another thing is that instead of self-education on this topic, our activists prefer loud statements "from the tank." Truly, the Chukchi is no longer a reader ... Although there is good literature.
                  But I want to draw your attention to the fact that trolls and talkers always try to get into any discussion on any important issue, whose task is simply to "bask in someone else's light". They carefully divert attention to secondary topics or even drive the conversation into a dead end. Such is their pleasure in life. These trolls are well recognized because they use a fairly limited set of standard tricks. On two of these trolls, you - in your desire to discuss the topic - are now here.
                  The first category is non-aggressive lovers to talk about themselves. Usually bored ladies. I want to drive empty talkers, but they don’t know what they are talking about - due to the lack of any information interesting to other people. Well - and what to draw attention to yourself? And on endless asking questions about their - supposedly - perplexities and bewilders. Type - "help, good people, I am behind the train." And the "helpers" are not just found, but in abundance. Begin to answer endlessly ongoing questions.
                  What was required by the next bored Madame.
                  The second is aggressive manipulators. These want to entertain the illusion of their significance. Standard reception No. 1: "I have a request for you - you will dance around me here ...". Since these manipulations are recognizable, No. 1 remained unanswered. Immediately went standard No. 2: - a claim for the role of an appraiser - "Nothing original, you are not interesting to me." Imagine what a tragedy - I'm not interested in a certain set of bukof.
                  For some reason it hooked you. For some reason, you wanted to discuss the essence of the matter with her. But nobody was going to discuss anything with you. Lady is not for this. And in order to play its significance.
                  No. 1 - a standard bun from near-psychological parties: "These are your thoughts ... leave me mine."
                  No. 2 - discrediting you and playing an appraiser - everything you wrote means nothing.
                  No. 3 - a game of expert - and with this, go there (to me in this case) ..
                  I will not make a diagnosis, although I can. This is still not a medical site.
                  We are all learning, thinking, arguing, trying to figure it out. But there are entire layers of characters who seek to turn our common quest for truth - into the trash.
                  Do not buy.
                  All the best.
                  1. +2
                    7 November 2017 14: 45
                    Quote: Sergey Krotov
                    Do not buy.

                    Sergey, I perfectly understand everything that you said. But to leave unanswered a variety of "provocations" I think is not correct.
                    1. Not only “writers” are present in the chat, but also “readers”, and if you constantly evade the answer, even to provocative questions, it seems that you have been cornered by questions.
                    2. It is necessary to convey your point of view, this sometimes allows you to look at the problem from a different angle, which, if you didn’t have this argument and provocative questions, you simply did not think about.
                    1. +3
                      7 November 2017 17: 19
                      I don’t know what your name is. Look, there is an article on an important, topical topic. So, ideally, it would be right to discuss in a chat only questions specifically on the topic of the article. But numerous chronophages (time killers) seek to impose a discussion on purely philistine topics: other people's intentions, manner of argumentation, education, climb with unsolicited advice, etc. Moreover, with the naked eye it is clear that the topic of the article itself is deeply indifferent to them.
                      They usually do not understand the topic. The main thing for them is to draw attention to themselves personally. Hence their claim to meaningfulness and some deep hidden meaning of what they wrote. It would be a lie to drag an interlocutor into a kind of pointless talking room about nothing.
                      1. Respond to the arguments about the written material - probably necessary, if you already began to take part in the exchange of information (rather than cheap words). But in my opinion it is also necessary to ignore any chronophages, whose goal is not information, but a party. And personally, I don’t care who and what will think, because I don’t respond to the manipulative tricks of bored aunts.
                      2. It is only necessary to convey your point of view when your interlocutor is interested in exactly your point of view. And the topic of your conversation is the exchange of information and consideration of the issue from different angles. (Perspectives, as you put it). But in that vocabulary into which you have already been dragged into instead of discussing the Russian question - where is the exchange of what information and from what angle? Here, just a lady pointedly hints that what she wrote is full of such a deep meaning that you need to read and re-read it. And - slowly. Pondering every word. At the same time, a couple of nasty things were released in your direction. And it was in THIS that the lady easily switched you from discussing the topics of Russian people, Russian people, Russian civilization, etc. And you still feel obligated not to discuss the topic of the article, but the verbal tricks of a bored manipulator.
                      1. +1
                        7 November 2017 22: 59
                        of course you're right.
      2. +6
        3 November 2017 23: 29
        On the maternal side, my grandmother is a Polish Jewish woman, my grandfather is half Pole, half Russian, but my passport is Russian, so my father is also considered Russian .. My paternal side is my grandmother from the Volga Bulgars, my grandfather is a Don Cossack, and my passport is also Russian, like my mother. I am also Russian according to my passport. Now, understand the purity of my blood and deny me the right to be called Russian.

        Consider yourself Russian, consider who is against. Here are just your transfers of blood mixed in you, and yours, "and according to your passport is also Russian," says that if you consider yourself a Russian, you leave yourself the path of retreat and a quick change of nationality.
        1. +3
          4 November 2017 21: 44
          You are strange, however. If I have a nationality, why should I deny it? Would be a Frenchwoman, a German, a Nigerian. I also wouldn’t have renounced that nation. But here I am Russian, so now I have to renounce it? Sorry, but this is nonsense.
          1. +2
            5 November 2017 01: 20
            Quote: Lyuba1965_01
            You are strange, however. If I have a nationality, why should I deny it? Would be a Frenchwoman, a German, a Nigerian. I also wouldn’t have renounced that nation. But here I am Russian, so now I have to renounce it? Sorry, but this is nonsense.

            I do not urge you to deny, I tell you to DECIDE, if you consider yourself Russian, why are your excursions in the nationality of your ancestors?
            Here I have an old and close friend. His mother is Tatar, the father of Bashkirs, but neither he nor his sisters spoke Tatar or Bashkir only in Russian. His parents also spoke Russian with their children, perhaps because they didn’t decide for themselves which language the main language should be Tatar or Bashkir (although they are a bit similar), maybe because my father was a consistent communist, I don’t know. So, this friend of mine with a non-Russian name and surname considers himself (and is in fact) Russian. He does not adhere to the national traditions of either father or mother, considers himself an atheist and not a Muslim, is married to a Russian, gives his daughter a Russian name, in everyday life has Russian preferences in food, in songs, and in films. He considers himself Russian, Soviet and at the same time does not delve into the nationality of his ancestors, he made a choice for himself. Make a choice for yourself, and you will have happiness and peace in your soul and thoughts “who am I on this earth” will not arise in your head.
            1. +3
              5 November 2017 11: 58
              In our family, like my husband’s family, they honor their ancestors, know the history of their families as much as possible. We still have relics of baptism, funerals from the fronts (one of my husband’s great-grandfather brothers died in the Caucasus, served in Yermolov’s army) .Portrait of her husband’s great-grandfather hangs in a large room and we don’t even think about cleaning it. Besides, Pushkin, Lermontov always considered themselves Russian, although Pushkin’s great-grandfather was an Ethiopian and Lermontov’s ancestor was the Scot Lermont. Or do you think that they did not know and did not honor their ancestors, and their portraits did not hang in their house?
              1. +1
                6 November 2017 14: 49
                Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                In our family, like my husband’s family, they honor their ancestors, know the history of their families as much as possible. We still have relics of baptism, funerals from the fronts (one of my husband’s great-grandfather brothers died in the Caucasus, served in Yermolov’s army) .Portrait of her husband’s great-grandfather hangs in a large room and we don’t even think about cleaning it. Besides, Pushkin, Lermontov always considered themselves Russian, although Pushkin’s great-grandfather was an Ethiopian and Lermontov’s ancestor was the Scot Lermont. Or do you think that they did not know and did not honor their ancestors, and their portraits did not hang in their house?


                Lyuba1965_01, Well, you read in Russian, speak and understand well. Well, where did I say that you need to abandon your ancestors or forget them? I just say DECIDE who you are by nationality, mentality. A German living in Russia and considering himself a Russian will never be a second-class person (unlike Germany, even a German born in Russia is not considered a full-fledged German). Why are you afraid? True, you live in Azerbaijan, it is probably better to be an Azerbaijani there.
                1. 0
                  6 November 2017 19: 20
                  Unlike some Russians in Russia, people don’t bother with a nation of people in Azerbaijan. Moreover, everyone who needs to know that I also have Russian citizenship. Several times I received a pres. of the apparatus of Azerbaijan, so no one said a word that I, a Russian, a citizen of Russia, “shake my rights.” And no one ever said a word to me about this. In Baku, they are very respectful to both Russians and people any other nationality. Unlike many post-Soviet republics, in Azerbaijan there is generally no oppression on the basis of a national sign. So, apparently, those whom some lovers of "purity of blood" call chock or national team in Russia are better and more reasonable. Yes, and in Russia (and I have relatives and friends here), as everyone cares about the place of my residence, any person perfectly understands that the wife should follow her husband. But I must admit that I really want to leave for permanent residence in Russia, in Irkutsk or Krasnoyarsk Alas, circumstances simply do not give.
                  1. +2
                    7 November 2017 14: 50
                    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                    Unlike some Russians in Russia, people in Azerbaijan do not bother with a nation. In addition, everyone who needs to know that I also have Russian citizenship.

                    I am sincerely glad for you that you are doing well and that there are no problems due to citizenship. True, I remember the 90s and the national pogroms in Azerbaijan, including in Baku in particular. When the Armenians and Russians were killed. Well, if this obscurantism has disappeared.
                    1. 0
                      7 November 2017 20: 42
                      In the 90s, it was as if all the former republics of the USSR went crazy. Watching the Ukrainian Maidan in 2014, I involuntarily recalled what was going on in Baku in the 89-90s. Only on our Maidan, the hosts with the microphone shouted “who didn’t squat, he is Armenian.” In Kiev they made us jump. It’s clear that physical education is a useful thing, only the technology is one. So, if before the Ukrainian events, I still had some doubts about the fact that our events were unnatural, then everything became clear after me. Well, Azerbaijanis, who had lived in the same country with Armenians for centuries, could not do that. Even after everything had settled down, people in they themselves wondered how they could have done such a thing. True, in fairness it must be said that all these Armenian pogroms were organized not by the Bakuis, but by the Azerbaijanis who came from Armenia. Locals, on the contrary, helped the Armenians leave the city, hid them in their homes, in the basements. Husband and Azerbaijani friends sent several acquaintances of Armenian families to Russia by car, boat, yacht .. Interestingly, almost no one wanted to leave for the Baku Armenians in Baku Armenia, almost everyone left for Russia. There is a restaurant in Astrakhan that is held together by an Armenian and an Azerbaijani, both Bakuis. There are many such cases.
                      1. +2
                        7 November 2017 23: 09
                        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                        Well, the Azerbaijanis, who for centuries lived in the same country with the Armenians, could not do this. Even after everything had settled down, people in conversations among themselves wondered how they could do this. True, in fairness it must be said that all these Armenian the pogroms were organized not by the Bakuis, but Azerbaijanis coming from Armenia. Locals, on the contrary, helped the Armenians leave the city, hid them in their homes, in the basements. Husband and Azerbaijani friends sent several familiar Armenian families to Russia by car, boat, yacht ..

                        Of course, I constantly hear that it’s not ours, ours couldn’t do this, it’s newcomers. Do you seriously think that 2-3 hundred visitors could have committed pogroms and killings in the republic’s capital, and hundreds of thousands of locals helped Armenians and Russians escape, but weren’t able to stop the gangs? Neither residents, nor police nor the local KGB? Lyuba, who do you take me for, I saw a lot, lived enough to believe in such “ducks” of “eyewitnesses”.
      3. +2
        4 November 2017 16: 43
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        On the maternal side, my grandmother is a Polish Jewish woman, my grandfather is half Pole, half Russian, but my passport is Russian, so my father is also considered Russian .. My paternal side is my grandmother from the Volga Bulgars, my grandfather is a Don Cossack, and my passport is also Russian, like my mother. I am also Russian according to my passport. Now, understand the purity of my blood and deny me the right to be called Russian.

        Do not bring harm to the Russian people and you will be happy! )))
        By the way, why are you sticking out in Uzbekistan, is it warm because? Or because the maternal grandmother advised just in case? )))
        1. +1
          4 November 2017 21: 21
          I do not live in Uzbekistan, but in Baku, although I was born and raised in Rostov-on-Don. My husband is a native of Baku. His ancestors came here from Russia in search of work for Mantashev’s oil fields and then men in their family always They were associated with the oil industry, just like my husband. I did not leave Russia, because I moved to it in the days of the USSR, and then all this was a single country. And yet, yes, I have Russian citizenship.
    3. 0
      4 November 2017 00: 21
      I give a note: A. Akaev - former president of Kyrgyzstan, Ch. Aitmatov - Kyrgyz writer.
    4. +3
      4 November 2017 18: 20
      Zakharova you are like a child, go have some tea, drink calm down !!!!
    5. The comment was deleted.
  6. +2
    3 November 2017 15: 49
    There can be many ethnic groups within a nation, but within a state there is only one nation.
    1. +13
      3 November 2017 16: 04
      Funny thinking))
      It’s even funny.
      Do you think nationalities exist or not?
      1. +4
        3 November 2017 16: 39
        Lena is useless to prove something to them .. they decided their own nationalities and traditions and culture forgot Russian ... here I am not Russian, but I know for sure that there are still Russian people, it’s a pity that they are becoming smaller and smaller
        1. +9
          3 November 2017 17: 13
          Quote: aws4
          there are fewer and fewer

          Who told you that?
          The total number of Russians is growing, although it is slowly growing.
          1. +4
            3 November 2017 17: 24
            the total number of people like your interlocutors here who have only a state of mind Russian can and is growing and unfortunately there are no Russians who know their customs and culture
            1. +7
              3 November 2017 18: 03
              Quote: aws4
              Unfortunately no

              I do not think so.
              Russophobia with its brains outcast, as well as those who replicate shovels about Russian delirium less and less.
              1. +3
                3 November 2017 19: 43
                unfortunately, there are fewer Russians, the capital of the Russian world - Moscow clearly demonstrates this
                1. +1
                  3 November 2017 20: 39
                  In Moscow, 90% are Russians by nationality, the rest come from neighboring republics.
                  1. +1
                    3 November 2017 22: 42
                    You wanted to say by "state of mind", according to my observations, and not the average, people with a Slavic appearance in the capital of percent 30
                  2. +3
                    4 November 2017 01: 15
                    Already not 90%
                  3. +1
                    4 November 2017 12: 36
                    Do you write to us from the years of the 70s of the last century? Do not make me laugh...
                  4. +1
                    4 November 2017 16: 51
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    In Moscow, 90% are ethnic Russians, about

                    Yeah! Cabzons, Zuckermans, Rosenbaums. All 95%
                2. +8
                  3 November 2017 20: 47
                  Quote: sergv
                  the capital of the Russian world - Moscow clearly demonstrates this

                  And what does Moscow demonstrate?
                  As far as I know, a slight deviation of a few percent on the basis of nationality from the average statistical throughout Russia.
                  Migrant workers do not count, arrived - left.
                  Although I also do not like this situation.
                  They want to earn money in Russia?
                  And what, is smeared with honey in Moscow?
                  It is necessary to the north, under state control.
                  Let them work there.
                  The shift worked - home!
            2. 0
              4 November 2017 00: 24
              Agree with you! As they write illiterate, they are Russians like that, right word! It is necessary to love the Russian letter, then respect and respect!
        2. +6
          3 November 2017 17: 20
          Quote: aws4
          they decided their own nationality

          This is this madam, is ashamed to honestly say how "Russian" she is? Yes, she will not say.
          Among the "Russian nationalists" among puppeteers, there are so many ... absolutely non-Russians and, moreover, absolutely not Slavs.
          For example, Alexander Belov (Kogan-Katz), leader of the Movement Against Illegal Immigration. The following information is available on the Internet about this "Gus nationalist": father - Katz Lev Moiseevich, taught in a heder - a Jewish religious school. Mother - Kogan Maria Abramovna was a housewife. Stepfather - Ivan Alekseevich Potkin.
          Or
          http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/ru-an_info/post3
          83018268 /
          So do not create extras, allegedly supporting the "smart thoughts" of Madame.
  7. +2
    3 November 2017 16: 03
    Just flipped through the article
    1. +2
      6 November 2017 13: 25
      And I have the opposite.
      Students should identify at least: according to the article, three Russophobia arguments, due to disguised hatred of the Russian people, and chat, five erroneous theses of Russian activists, due to illiteracy in the social sciences (history, philosophy, etc.).
      So from the point of view of working out the national question, this provocative article can be useful as educational material.
  8. +4
    3 November 2017 16: 04
    I recalled here from my youth in the army ... During the service of many officers and warrant officers I most respected (according to their affairs) three officers — the deputy brigade commander (Russian), the Tatar battalion commander, and the Korean company commander. So the last two were much more worthy of the title "Russian officer" than many of those who bore Russian surnames.
    1. +2
      3 November 2017 16: 15
      So the entire officer corps of the SA was of Russian-Ukrainian-Tatar nationality. + to that Germans, Armenians, Moldavians ... etc. Some of the most exemplary soldiers were Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, and Turkmens. With the right approach to them - Georgians, Ossetians and other highlanders.
      1. +3
        3 November 2017 16: 23
        That's who I was unlucky with all the time, so this is with officers from Ukraine). As far as I know, in the Soviet Union there were 2 large military schools of the air defense forces - Orenburg and Nikopol (Western Ukraine). As a result, we had 25 Tatars in the officer corps, as many Ukrainians (seasoned zapadentsev), and the rest was a hodgepodge. So, as for the second ones, they don’t drag the service, it’s not them ... But you won’t know it well, it’s worthless to ski and yank it up). Although, I admit that maybe it was personally unlucky for me, and the times were not the same as under the Union.
        1. +7
          3 November 2017 19: 42
          Quote: exwarrent
          Nikopol (Western Ukraine).

          Interestingly the girls are dancing ...
          Since when did Nikopol suddenly become a city in western Ukraine?
          Are working Ukrainians transferred from the shores of the Kakhovka reservoir?
          1. +3
            4 November 2017 00: 48
            Thank you guys for supporting me. What can I say, in the geography of Ukraine is not strong. Indeed, Nikopol is the Dnepropetrovsk region, but the officers from there acted like Western Kurkans. If anyone needs a proof, I’ll give my last name, I won’t get up. But this is what depresses me ... I defended this country for 12 years (if necessary, I will attach the scans of the military man). But here the woman who arranged a whole srach here with respected people categorically refuses proofs. And further:
            “A dying culture is always marked by the personal rudeness of each of its representatives. Bad manners, unwillingness to at least give way to another. The loss of elementary politeness and good manners is much more symptomatic than some kind of conspiracy.
            This symptom is especially serious because the one who shows it never considers it a sign of illness, but on the contrary, takes it as a proof of its strength. "
            R.E. Heinlein, Freydy
            1. +2
              4 November 2017 11: 44
              Bro, you actually what you wanted to say with your proofs - that you are Russian? So the first sign of any nationality is to think and speak the language to which nationality you want to register. Books, I see that you read Anglo-American - the first sign of a Russian patriot, of course. You can’t even express your thought in your own words - I ran for quotes. Well, tongue-tied - this, of course, is also a sign of a Russian person.
            2. +2
              4 November 2017 17: 04
              Quote: exwarrent
              Thank you guys for supporting me. What can I say, in the geography of Ukraine is not strong. Indeed, Nikopol is the Dnepropetrovsk region, but the officers from there behaved - Kurkuli Zapadensk

              He served in Soviet times really, not in words. In the 70s
              Normal fighters were Ukrainians, reliable! The Slavs are, in general, everything. The normal order was. The Germans are good servants. The North Caucasus and Transcaucasia are everything. Armenians were also swarming, though not a single normal one, all cunning.
              1. +1
                5 November 2017 15: 49
                He served 84-86 g, in a tank repair plant. According to the company commander, during the new replenishment, the company commanders almost got into a fight between Armenian conscripts. It is possible that most Armenians had a specialty by the age of 18, just like me. The foreman of the company offered a kapterka, the clerk's place as a political officer, namely an Armenian, there were two of us in the company, which means something.
                Armenians were also swarming, though not a single normal one, all cunning.
                1. +8
                  5 November 2017 16: 44
                  Quote: garnik
                  ... the company commanders just for the draftees of Armenians almost got into a fight between themselves ... The foreman of the company offered a capter, the clerk's place as a political officer, namely the Armenian, there were two of us in the company, and that means something.
                  Armenians were also swarming, though not a single normal one, all cunning.

                  You just confirmed the version of "cunning", I'm sorry.
                  That kapterschik that pisarchuk - these are "thieves" places, if you do not know.
                  With a bread cutter in the canteen - did not offer, by chance? wink
                  Quote: garnik
                  It is possible (because) that by the age of 18, most Armenians had a specialty, just like me

                  Tell me, what kind of mega-specialties do captors and clerks need?
                  Well, and about the "company fighting for the Armenians" - you are here .. slightly exaggerating, IMHO request
                  1. +1
                    5 November 2017 19: 44
                    You just confirmed the version of "cunning", I'm sorry.
                    That kapterschik that pisarchuk - these are "thieves" places, if you do not know.
                    With a bread cutter in the canteen - did not offer, by chance? wink

                    The fact that these places are thieves and I know. The matter is that the foreman and company commander are Russian And the Russians occupied these thieves' places, but could not cope. And the fact that the Armenians proved themselves capable in economic affairs is a plus, I think so.
                    Tell me, what kind of mega-specialties do captors and clerks need?
                    Well, and about the "company fight for the Armenians" - you are here .. slightly exaggerating, IMHO request

                    I had a father who transferred all the skills he owned to me. At the age of 16 I could build a house. On my account 4, I think the last house.
                    Many of the Armenians are also accustomed to work from childhood. I don’t know if you understood me.
                    At the expense of the "company fight for the Armenians" (it is clear that they did not wave their hands), the only thing said was under a shaf, an officer not of my company. The meaning of telling me a lie.
                    1. +8
                      5 November 2017 23: 01
                      Quote: garnik
                      Many of the Armenians are also accustomed to work since childhood.

                      Do not believe it - many of the Russians - too.
                      Therefore, I was somewhat surprised by your phrase about the "competition" of officers for young Armenians.
                      No more, but no less.
        2. 0
          3 November 2017 20: 18
          Quote: exwarrent
          Although, I admit that maybe it was personally bad for me personally

          I met a military man preparing for transformation from a Kiev fashion designer-furrier from Kiev into a foreman of a motor-shooting company in the city of Kandalaksha. It was not possible to learn what such a model in Kiev modeled and closed by the said character that there was only one way out - to Kandalaksha.
          1. 0
            4 November 2017 01: 07
            You know, brother, the first thing that 4 young ensigns did after graduating from ShP was the foreman - Khokhla. He stole money from fighters from our calculations. Well, they complained to us, and we were just the sweethearts ...)) Well, we arranged a night for him, which, along the way, he will remember for a long time ... Of course, the face should not be beaten in the fifth column, but in a specific erysipelas, but I’m somehow unlucky with Khokhlostan.
      2. +3
        3 November 2017 23: 38
        Quote: rc56
        So the entire officer corps of the SA was of Russian-Ukrainian-Tatar nationality. + to that Germans, Armenians, Moldavians ... etc. Some of the most exemplary soldiers were Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, and Turkmens. With the right approach to them - Georgians, Ossetians and other highlanders.

        You need to understand served in the construction battalion winked
    2. +2
      3 November 2017 20: 22
      Quote: exwarrent
      I recalled here from my youth in the army ... During the service of many officers and warrant officers I most respected (according to their affairs) three officers — the deputy brigade commander (Russian), the Tatar battalion commander, and the Korean company commander. So the last two were much more worthy of the title "Russian officer" than many of those who bore Russian surnames.

      Yes I served in part Kazakh - warrant officer Aitmagambet (well, the name, if spelled correctly) Zhambulovich. I won’t pronounce the surname because of political correctness. So he called himself Misha everywhere! He says it’s easier. And how a man was good
      1. +1
        4 November 2017 00: 59
        I think that the word "Russian" is the answer to the question "what are you?" And if it’s simpler, then if it’s a shame for the Power, then you are a Russian officer (or an ensign)). And he wrote above that the face should be beaten for a specific erysipelas, and not for the fifth column in the passport)
        1. 0
          4 November 2017 11: 07
          Quote: exwarrent
          not the fifth column in the passport)

          Even when the passport had the column "nationality", she was not the fifth. It has long been, the memory is not so good, but certainly not the fifth. Hearing from Vysotsky "they didn’t let the fifth go for the count," I climbed into my passport. There, it seems, was 7. And since the new millennium, no.
  9. +5
    3 November 2017 16: 10
    Partially true, in general terms, but the meaning is not disclosed. But does the author of Satanovsky and Solovyov think Russian? Just wondering.
    1. +1
      4 November 2017 12: 40
      Quote: Velizariy
      Partially true, in general terms, but the meaning is not disclosed. But does the author of Satanovsky and Solovyov think Russian? Just wondering.

      The author has the whole world one Russian ...
  10. +8
    3 November 2017 16: 17
    In fact, the national problem in Russia is only due to the fact that out of a hundred nationalities, one, albeit of divine origin, has captured all the posts and all the wealth of the state. Moreover, they prove that they are Russians, they go to churches. So what? Well Jew Medvedev, why hide? And the fact that the GDP by mum is the same?
  11. +2
    3 November 2017 16: 18
    Is Russia not for Russians?
    1. +7
      3 November 2017 17: 15
      Human rights activists think like this:
      There on the photo "mind, conscience and honor" of the liberals - Alexandrov
      1. +8
        3 November 2017 17: 51
        Quote from serry
        the conscience and honor of the liberals - Alexandrov

        Alekseeva .... US citizen.
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. +4
      3 November 2017 19: 30
      for everyone who came to Russia and said that Russian is a state of mind ..., in general, nonsense, but it works
    3. +2
      3 November 2017 22: 43
      Russia is for Russians. For everyone who considers Russia their homeland. If you think differently, then expel Tatars, Kalmyks, Aleuts, Chukchi, Buryats and all the rest from here.
      1. +5
        4 November 2017 11: 49
        And what kind of culture was raging in you now? Russian, Greek, Komi-Permian, or - scary to say - Jewish, which you feel so close to? You are our multicultural.
        1. +2
          4 November 2017 17: 11
          Quote: Sergey Krotov
          And what kind of culture was raging in you now? Russian, Greek, Komi-Permian, or - scary to say - Jewish, which you feel so close to? You are our multicultural.


          Judea is a Jew, definitely! Yes, also conspired
      2. +3
        4 November 2017 17: 17
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        Russia is for Russians. For everyone who considers Russia their homeland. If you think differently, then expel Tatars, Kalmyks, Aleuts, Chukchi, Buryats and all the rest from here.

        Why's that? They are indigenous here! They have been living ever since your Israel did not exist. And to expel the indigenous, it is probably familiar to you, as the Palestinians from their native lands ...
        Yes! Judaism will not be knocked out of you by anything, even in Uzbekistan
        1. 0
          4 November 2017 21: 46
          Yes, calm down, do not be so nervous. Not all of us Jews in Russia.
  12. +4
    3 November 2017 16: 20
    [quote = Sergey-svs] [quote] ..
    Emperor Alexander I correctly said in the 19th century, and in the 20th century - Army General and Hero of the Soviet Union Margelov V.F., his thought continued:
    [/ Quote]
    It is very sensibly said that we are all Russians and we were never interested in the 5th graph. Russian is a way of thinking, life, language. From school years, and I am the same age as Victory, I remember that in my environment there were no conversations and any special negative interest in nationality. Jokes told, yes and ... that's all.
    1. +11
      3 November 2017 17: 56
      enough nonsense to flog about the Tatar with the soul of a Russian or Russian Georgian. Or a Jew has a Russian spirit. Complete nonsense.
      1. +6
        3 November 2017 18: 53
        The Jew’s spirit is also Russian ... but there is one thing ... You see, when circumcision of the foreskin of a male infant from wild pain, the work of the left hemisphere of the brain is deformed for life. This is what determines his attitude to life as a system of values. That is why they are offended by the whole world weaving plots and change their shoes in the air right away ...
        1. +2
          4 November 2017 01: 26
          And what happens to Muslims from wild pain, in particular with Alikos, I’m even ashamed to write.
      2. 0
        3 November 2017 19: 23
        I agree, one pleases - the primitivism of fighters with the Russian world ...
        1. +2
          6 November 2017 13: 29
          But, frankly speaking, the primitivism of the arguments of pro-Russian activists can also please many.
      3. +1
        3 November 2017 20: 25
        Quote: Chaos
        enough nonsense to flog

        And talk? In 1986, in the orderly ranks of the 455th heroic mechanized regiment of the GO, I met an Armenian who, before being called up, worked as a moulder in a foundry. In nature, he was Russian.
        1. +2
          4 November 2017 11: 50
          97110 54346 76315 98776
          That's the whole conversation with you, you are our encrypted.
          1. The comment was deleted.
    2. +1
      3 November 2017 19: 27
      As in the Great Patriotic War - Slovaks, Italians, Romanians, Hungarians, etc. were "Germans", this is a little different and does not change the essence, there are Russians, there are Armenians, Kazakhs, etc.
  13. +15
    3 November 2017 16: 30
    Perhaps the author’s most absurd thought that the “Black Hundreds” tore the Russian Empire from the inside. But the fact that the author blended into one pile of disguised showmen, patriots, and pogromists is the purpose of the article. 100% - "order".
    For convincing, the names of undoubtedly authoritative Gumilyov, known facts of biographies of the Russian elite are given ....
    In "RF" it is difficult to be Russian. On the "Russian March" there are different characters, sometimes provocateurs. But there is nothing wrong with the idea itself.
    1. +10
      3 November 2017 17: 00
      Quote: samarin1969
      There are different characters on the Russian March

      Navalny also went to the Russian march until they drove him out of there.
    2. +5
      3 November 2017 17: 22
      Quote: samarin1969
      .. the most absurd thought of the author About, that "Black Hundreds" tore the Russian Empire from the Inside. But the fact that the author mixed in one heap of mummers of showmen, patriots, pogromists - this is the purpose of the article. 100% - "order".

      I agree. The confusion of the article is colossal! You don’t even know which side to approach her, hence the complete mess not only from the side of the author, but also those who comment on her. Maybe try to remember that besides the Russians there are American, some other Japanese and many other nationalities, maybe this can sober up the debaters. A different question should be considered from different angles, for greater clarity.
      1. +3
        4 November 2017 11: 58
        Venya, this is not confusion. A confusion - if from ignorance or lack of culture. And here is an order made exactly before the Russian marches. To make confusion in thought, confuse. Something on the topic of ideological sabotage. After all, they feel, bastards, that the Russian identity is growing day by day, so they are trying to direct us to the side tracks.
        Well, the level of arguing is generally miserable. Moreover, they consider their Russian language to be the first evidence that they are Russians. Although in the best sense, they are Russian-faced and Russian-trembling. But none of these talkers knowingly read any literature on the Russian theme. That spoil their ignorance.
    3. +5
      5 November 2017 21: 04
      Perhaps the author’s most absurd thought that the “Black Hundreds” tore the Russian Empire from the inside.
      This is not an absurd thought. This is a deliberate attempt to discredit the first Russian patriotic organization. Any Russian patriotism is always exposed as rioters of the poor and innocent Jews. Just like in the 90s they put up “Memory” - anti-Semites without fail.
  14. +16
    3 November 2017 16: 36
    I’m watching TV, there are a lot of “Russian” people with “simple Ryazan faces” who speak purely Russian. I can name the names of these "Smolensk, Kursk, Novgorod, Kiev and other" boys, sometimes the girls Zhirnovsky, Pozner, Amnuel, Sobchak, Siluanov, Nabiulina, Kudrin, Zheleznyak. There are purely Russians like Kovtun and Karasev. And there are many different ones. And all for Russia "cry."
  15. +6
    3 November 2017 16: 37
    "... The idol of Russian nationalists is Emperor Alexander III ..."
    Well, in the era of Alexander lll they didn’t stick out their nationality, you live in Russia, then Russian, if you had to, they meant, for example,
    Russian of German descent ... It is now that nationalism is turned upside down and the difference between a nationalist and national patriotism is artificially blurred and many do not understand it ...
    If the author wrote this article, and in particular- "... offended by the Germans, the British and ... for some reason Jews ...", he ellipsis and this "why" covered his ass from charges of anti-Semitism?
    If not, he was wasting his time, because apparently he did not dig deep into the topic. In Yuri Podolyaka this is all the time, read and make sure of his poor understanding of what he puts his hand to ... "Offended" is not appropriate, more correctly, did not trust! Well, if you build a phrase with the words "I didn’t trust", then these ellipses and "for some reason" are ridiculous ... Who in their right mind trusted the sons of Israel?
    So comrade Podolyaka, you can change direction, well, it’s too difficult for you! Write about ... about cats!
    1. +2
      4 November 2017 12: 02
      What are you, my friend, how can you? Comrades Poles, Serdyuki, Yatsenyuk and all sorts of other farts are feeding on the topic of evidence of the absence of Russian. Have you ever tried to drive a pig from a feeder?
  16. +12
    3 November 2017 16: 38
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Elena Zakharova Today, 15:42 New
    How tired of this verbiage is about Russians, about the fact that we are not, that this is only an image and a state of mind.
    There are Russians!
    And who argues that they are?
    The question is, who will be considered Russian? How to check? Skull compass?
    I’m wondering, is Chubais Russian? And Sytin? And who is Vlasov? Not really Jews? laughing And EBN with labeled?
    Do not you think that your philosophy of Nazism stinks a mile away?

    No, it doesn’t. All the people you brought in, alas, are Jews. They now rule the country and have what we have. These include: Medvedev, Dvorkovich, Kudrin, Gref, Chubais, Gaidar. Jews made two revolutions in Russia, which led to a monstrous population decline. They pushed the law "On Interethnic Discord" and now with it, they crush the Russians ..
  17. +11
    3 November 2017 16: 39
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Stupid shovel nonsense.
    I don’t even see the point of commenting, sorry.

    This is how everything is .... cygan
    Isn't it funny?


    Gypsies write through "Y". And, yes, it's funny. Do not skip Russian language lessons, post-Soviet child.
    1. +6
      3 November 2017 17: 28
      Quote: sergo1914
      gypsies

      So what?
      1. +4
        3 November 2017 18: 41
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        Quote: sergo1914
        gypsies

        So what?

        "Again deuce" (painting by artist Fyodor Reshetnikov, for education)
        1. +5
          3 November 2017 18: 54
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Again the deuce

          Have you tried to be baptized?
      2. +1
        4 November 2017 09: 55
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        Quote: sergo1914
        gypsies

        So what?


        Russian language, sheep, Russian language ...
  18. +9
    3 November 2017 16: 45
    When I was in class, everyone was Russian. how the union ended it turned out that there were Kazakhs, Armenians, Ukrainians and Dargins in the class.
    1. +4
      3 November 2017 18: 44
      Stop lying! We studied Tatar, Azerbaijani, Russian, Udmurt. And everyone knew. But did not call names
    2. +1
      3 November 2017 19: 19
      There have always been Kazakhs, Armenians, Ukrainians and Dargins
  19. +8
    3 November 2017 16: 53
    The article is another throwing on a fan, another manipulation of public opinion, a game of internationalism based on the "Russian spirit".
  20. +2
    3 November 2017 17: 10
    Russian is a state of mind. And every Russian understands this. RUSSIAN MEANS JUST !!! This is what it means to be Russian. It is from this quality that all the others flow. We are strong precisely with the TRUTH of that finite system of cognition of the world above which nothing exists. Nziolnost is not essential here.
    1. +5
      3 November 2017 18: 03
      Another tracer. Russian means Russian. German means German. are the Germans not fair ??? or the Spaniards? Ahhhh, they are probably weak with the truth of knowing the world. Your Jewess is a Jewess with a Jewish spirit. and nothing else.
  21. +7
    3 November 2017 17: 28
    badens1111,
    People like you climb in and advertise their insanity.
    This is you empty place.
    1. +1
      4 November 2017 16: 03
      Quote: Elena Zakharova
      empty place.

      That sounds right.
      And yes ... you know how to write, it’s clear.
      You and in Maxspark, KONTE did the same, you think that here you will be able to arrange swords and squabbles?
  22. +10
    3 November 2017 17: 30
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Bullshit and nonsense.
    I agree. Moreover, the author demonstrates a typical Svidomo interpretation of Russian history (where Svidomitism, Russophobia there):
    Quote: Author: Yuri Podolyaka
    during the Polish uprising of 1863, when the local intelligentsia rebelled against Russian domination, tried to raise against the empire inhabitants Right-bank Ukraineby printing leaflets for them on in native language.

    He also spoke about some kind of "intensive Russification." Apparently, we should wait for the requirements of violent derusification as in Ukraine.
    And in some mysterious way, the author sailed "Union of the Russian people", which in no way was the ruling party in the empire.
    A few words about this. In the "Union of the Russian people" you will find, incl. in the manual, a huge number of German, Moldavian, Greek, Georgian, etc. surnames. Even the subsidiary structure “Muslim Union of the Russian people from Kazan Tatars” was discussed. Especially many organizations of the Union were in the territory of modern Ukraine and Moldova. It was they who were the first during the Great War (World War I) to speak loudly about the danger of "mazepinism", describing it as a separatist movement, "aimed at the dismemberment of Russia and the creation of a non-existent" Ukrainian "nation, brought up in hatred of everything Russian." They were right. The USSR did not even create a nation, but such a supposedly people. Banderofashists continued everything on ready ground.
    The Union derived its ideology from the Slavophiles: Aksakov, Khomyakov, Leontyev, Danilevsky, etc. The Union adhered to Slavophilism, but was sharply against pan-Slavism. The Union had the slogan: "Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality," but the ideal was seen not in the Petrovsky Russia by the Romanovs, but in Russia by the Rurikovich. Cathedral Russia. Not the State Duma, but the Zemsky Sobor.
    At one of the monarchist congresses instead Union programs Engelhardt proposed his own: "Russia for the Russians! For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland! For the primordial principles: Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Nationality! Down with the Revolution! Do not need a constitution! For autocracy, which is not limited by anything on earth." So in the Uvarov-Pogodinsky concept of "nationality" in the triad, people invested a completely different meaning, probably unknown to the Kiev Nazis. Perhaps the only people in relation to which reasoning was carried out that can be regarded as intolerant was Jewish. They said something about dominance, enslavement, etc. Black hundred what you take.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. +2
        3 November 2017 19: 00
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        Author the fastest has a poor education.

        Excuse me, what language do you think, well, or what is your native language?
        regarding education, it’s more appropriate to say "rather total "not"faster Total" ...
        1. +9
          3 November 2017 19: 33
          Quote: reservist
          Sorry

          I do not forgive.
          In Russian, the absence of education can be expressed in different ways, or the author may seriously question its existence:
          The author most likely has a poor education.
          Apparently, the author has no elementary education.
          The author received education in the gateway.
          For the lack of elementary education, the author minus
          What is education unknown to the author.

          Well, etc.
          1. 0
            7 November 2017 11: 00
            Well, as you like, you can not forgive, your business ...

            Of course, you can express it in different ways, but still there is a difference between those who have a native language and those who have learned ...
            Do you need to explain the difference between faster and faster?

            and you left the answer to the question about the native language ...
  23. wot
    0
    3 November 2017 17: 34
    today's video on YouTube [media = https: /youtube.com]
  24. +3
    3 November 2017 17: 36
    In vain the author is worried, soon there will be Russia without Russians. Normally dying out.
    1. +7
      3 November 2017 18: 48
      Quote: Cartalon
      In vain the author is worried, soon there will be Russia without Russians. Normally dying out.

      And you think he is worried. I beg of you. Typical pro-Western hoot with custom work. What can’t you do for the sake of the holiday, and Suvorov and Kutuzov, the tsar’s priest ..... and without Stalin, compote is not a compote. I also hired a hysteric. And it worked. Live discussion of the topic "Who is a camel and what are its signs."
      1. +9
        4 November 2017 16: 14
        I also hired a hysterical ...

        ... and what belay
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Live discussion of the topic "Who is a camel and what are its signs"

        Jess ... good laughing
    2. +1
      3 November 2017 19: 15
      the author, it seems, has the goal of veiling this process
  25. +7
    3 November 2017 17: 51
    Alexander the Third, a major statesman of Russia, had in mind something completely different than the "Russian nationalists." Nationalism is a way of confronting a small nation with a big one. When a large nation opposes a small one, this is chauvinism.
    I am afraid that fascism is purposefully “sewed” to our people in order to justify the continuation of the robbery under the guise of sanctions and to consolidate the country's status as a political and economic appendage of the “world economy”.
    1. +8
      3 November 2017 19: 14
      Everything is simpler, nationalism is the immunity of a developed people, its protection from destruction from the outside or from the inside, and it doesn’t matter whether it’s cunning and mean or big.
      1. 0
        4 November 2017 12: 40
        Quote: sergv
        nationalism is the immunity of a developed people

        It seems to me that you are confusing nationalism and national identity. In general, scientists (i.e. people with real scientific qualifications) should give definitions to concepts, and not just anyone. For the implementation of certain ideas, the correct goal-setting is necessary, this is the task of political parties - the vanguard of those social groups (we will call them classes) who want to achieve a radical improvement in their economic situation. When the poorly educated but obsessed with the dubious "idea" passionaries are engaged in goal-setting, things can end in a social catastrophe. The division of society is based on a class, rather than a national attribute. Nations are formed at the initial stage of development of capitalism. Nazism is a possible direction of the development of the dominant ideology under the state system, which maximally corresponds to the goals and interests of the "national" bourgeoisie. In reality, the bourgeoisie is international, since capital is most interested in the absence of any restrictions. Capital is global.
    2. +3
      5 November 2017 17: 32
      I think that the "method of confrontation", as well as the "defense" of the next commentator, is only part of the concept of "nationalism", its negative component, so to speak. It makes sense to think about the positive part, which should indicate the desire for a self-sufficient cultural life, knowledge of one’s history, rallying around national shrines and awareness of national values ​​that indicate the direction of development of one’s people.
  26. +1
    3 November 2017 18: 00
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    sorry, but I'm already pretty sure that you have nothing to do with the Russians.

    Sorry and it says "true" Russian. laughing
    1. +13
      3 November 2017 18: 15
      As I want, I also designate Russophobes who, as it were, were not smeared with Russian, but nevertheless it is immediately clear that I am not talking.
      1. owl
        +3
        3 November 2017 22: 09
        Elena! What percentage of Russian blood must be in order to consider yourself Russian?
        1. +5
          3 November 2017 23: 13
          Stupid and provocative question.
          When complete assimilation occurs, the percentage cannot be determined.
          Well, half-breeds in any case are assimilated completely, with one or another nationality.
          1. +1
            3 November 2017 23: 18
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            Stupid and provocative question.
            Elena is our Crimea?
            1. +5
              6 November 2017 13: 04
              Quote: XXXIII
              Elena is our Crimea?

              Crimea, this is Russia!
              The issue is not even discussed.
            2. +4
              6 November 2017 13: 06
              Two years before the last maidan in Kiev, she wrote an article in which she predicted that the construction of the bridge to the Crimea would begin in 2020, and after putting it into operation, she also predicted that Ukraine would begin to crack at the seams and eventually fall apart.
              But it’s how it turned out))
              Mistaken for a few years!
              1. +2
                6 November 2017 13: 56
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                Crimea, this is Russia! The question is not even discussed.
                love
                and after it was put into operation, it also predicted that Ukraine would begin to crack at the seams and eventually fall apart.
                But it’s how it turned out))
                Mistaken for a few years!
                Still ahead Yes ...... And yes he still ate it for free ..... laughing
                1. 0
                  6 November 2017 15: 18
                  Quote: XXXIII
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  Crimea, this is Russia! The question is not even discussed.
                  love
                  and after it was put into operation, it also predicted that Ukraine would begin to crack at the seams and eventually fall apart.
                  But it’s how it turned out))
                  Mistaken for a few years!
                  Still ahead Yes ...... And yes he still ate it for free .....


                  Hope hope dies last.
  27. +5
    3 November 2017 18: 07
    Zhidovskaya mule for fools, Suvorov, not realizing that, fought in favor of usurers and on their insider
  28. +1
    3 November 2017 18: 27
    in Alexander No. 3 himself, there were only a couple of glasses of Russian blood
  29. +2
    3 November 2017 18: 40
    Dahl (which is the "Dahl Dictionary") was an ethnic Dane. All Russians would be so "Rusyns"
  30. +1
    3 November 2017 18: 41
    We must unite Eurasia against the hegemony of the Anglo-Saxons. This is our calling.
    1. 0
      3 November 2017 19: 46
      I agree not only Eurasia but Afrasia ... everything else is rot ...
  31. +14
    3 November 2017 18: 41
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Elena Zakharova Today, 16:14 ​​↑ New
    Do you also deny the existence and existence of nationalities and claim that there are no Russians?
    Are there any Jews?
    I affirm that Dzhugashvili, Bagration, Barclay de Tolly, De Ribas and many others are much more Russian than you and your kind, that's all. I do not take away the right of Tatars, Chechens, Nanais or Yakuts to consider themselves Russian, unlike you. I had Turks and Mongols in my family, and everyone who ever walked the Wild Field, who do you think?


    Perhaps I will answer you instead of Zakharova. If you, “Varangian 0711”, had Turkis and Mongols in your family, and everyone who walked along the Wild Field, then you are, of course, a Tatar. But if you begin to deny your belonging to the Tatars (with such a pedigree), then in this case you are just a rootless cosmopolitan.
    Of course, you can, with all your might, proclaim yourself a real Russian, in spirit there, or in your state of mind. However, this does not cancel the fact that you are either a Tatar or a rootless cosmopolitan. How else?
    Yesterday you were a Tatar, today by your state of mind, you decided to become Russian, tomorrow your soul wishes to become a Chinese, and the day after tomorrow, decide to become a Papuan. Very convenient position for renegade renegades! That's just for hell, we Russian need such a "Russian state of mind." I think that the Chinese do not need such a "Chinese", and the Papuans without the need for such a "Papuan".
    And regarding the fact that you do not take away the right of Tatars, Chechens, Nanai or Yakuts to consider themselves Russian, I will say this: did they ask you for this right? After all, it is only among the rootless cosmopolitan who, moreover, who has fallen (by state of mind) into schizophrenic chauvinism, can such a world perception arise that all Chechens, Yakuts, and Nanai people are eager to join the Russians.
    Probably Varyag 0711 will be surprised, but ALL of the nationalities listed by him want to preserve their national, ethnic identity and do not at all want them to be written in Russian. We, the true Russians (not the descendants of “all those who wandered around the Wild Field), have the same national-ethnic identity, the same is national-ethnic identity.
    Moreover, we have OUR national-ethnic interests, which (the stump is clear) do not coincide with the interests of Russophobes. And we will solve these interests ourselves! Do not you Russophobes teach us.
    1. +11
      3 November 2017 18: 58
      Quote: Evdokim E
      Moreover, we have OUR national-ethnic interests, which (the stump is clear) do not coincide with the interests of Russophobes. And we will solve these interests ourselves! Do not you Russophobes teach us

      A thousand pluses!
    2. +5
      3 November 2017 19: 54
      Liberalism is the enemy of Russia. The country is harsh, respectively, laws should be harsh as people. Here it will become clear who is Russian and who is not. It is fair ....
    3. +5
      3 November 2017 20: 06
      Quote: Evdokim E
      Perhaps I will answer you instead of Zakharova. If you, “Varangian 0711”, had Turkis and Mongols in your family, and everyone who walked along the Wild Field, then you are, of course, a Tatar. But if you begin to deny your belonging to the Tatars (with such a pedigree), then in this case you are just a rootless cosmopolitan.

      You look at you and understand that there is not a single Russian in you, just like in your client, from the word TOTALLY there is no Russian.
      And all of you, most of the talkers for the happiness of Russian sons and the daughters of lawyers, why the hell are you here, we are protection, we didn’t ask you like that.
      Quote: Evdokim E
      And regarding the fact that you do not take away the right of Tatars, Chechens, Nanai or Yakuts to consider themselves Russian, I will say this: did they ask you for this right? After all, it is only among the rootless cosmopolitan who, moreover, who has fallen (by state of mind) into schizophrenic chauvinism, can such a world perception arise that all Chechens, Yakuts, and Nanai people are eager to join the Russians.

      If you fell into this schizophrenic chauvinism, then you should be treated for it, because you, in your writings, without understanding it, indicate your own, precisely your diagnosis.
      that boy, who is completely non-Russian in appearance, is more likely to be completely non-Russian in appearance, who, with a machine gun, stopped the battalion of Georgian troops in Tskhinvali, which is much more Russian than you and your ilk.
      Quote: Evdokim E
      ALL of the nationalities listed by him want to preserve their national, ethnic identity and do not at all want them to be written in Russian. We, the true Russians (not the descendants of “all those who wandered around the Wild Field), have the same national-ethnic identity, the same is national-ethnic identity.

      You have a condition that is first called chauvinism, and then turns into Nazism, like you in 2014 already ruined and spilled blood in Ukraine.
      Quote: Evdokim E
      Moreover, we have our national-ethnic interests, which (the stump is clear) do not coincide with the interests of Russophobes

      You again, not understanding what you are talking about, not noticing yourself, but you are a clinical Russophobe, RUSSIA has always been from the ancient princes to the Soviet era, and even now it was built as a country in which many languages ​​and peoples live. But they serve one country-RUSSIA , and you like .. served in the ROA, RONA and other gangs among the Nazis.
      1. +6
        3 November 2017 20: 17
        In the ROA, it was precisely the soviet national leaders, such as Naumenko and von Lampe ...
        1. 0
          3 November 2017 20: 22
          Quote: Nemesis
          In ROA served

          That's who served there
          http://ricolor.org/history/roa/jh/2/
          They remind you very much.
          1. +4
            3 November 2017 20: 26
            I know well who served in the ROA, I studied this issue and not only it, so don’t tell me fairy tales .... It’s enough to read Igor Pykhalov’s book to understand who ran across to the side of Hitler in the USSR ...
            1. 0
              3 November 2017 20: 30
              Quote: Nemesis
              It is enough to read the book of Igor Pykhalov

              Read
              The total number of former Soviet citizens, mostly Russians, who entered during 1941-1945. in German military units (Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine), in the SS, the police and other security services, reached, according to various estimates, up to 1,5 million people. Among them, according to conflicting data, there were 250 thousand Ukrainians, 70 thousand Belarusians (and another 100-150 thousand Latvians, 90 thousand Estonians and 50 thousand Lithuanians were practically not citizens of the USSR). [12] As for the representatives of the Caucasian and Turkic peoples of the USSR, according to data with a wide spread, there were 30 to 90 thousand people in different German formations. Actually, Chechens and Ingush in the German service, according to field materials, there were 600-700 people. [Http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/bulat_s
              ardaligar / post235903921 /
              The answers of Pykhalov are given in a review of Alexandrov’s frankly Vlasov dissertation, so do not cast a shadow on the wattle fence, referring to it.
              http://skeptimist.livejournal.com/1175526.html
              1. +3
                3 November 2017 20: 31
                Vlasovets von Lampe also called himself Russian ... Baron of German blood ...
              2. +8
                3 November 2017 20: 59
                Quote: badens1111
                The total number of former Soviet citizens, mainly Russians,

                Dear, better explain to the people why during the invasion of Napoleon and even in the First World War there weren’t so many traitors who went over to the side of the enemy as under the Soviet regime, not only in the numerical indicator, but even in the percentage, which before the communists in power almost tended to zero?
                1. +1
                  3 November 2017 21: 47
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  so many traitors who sided with the enemy

                  So people like you ran across.
                  Isn’t your dad, the party member in Leningrad, 91 the first to burn the party card?
                  So you ask yourself how you always betray everyone.
                  The composition of the defectors on the side of the Nazis is known, how is the reason known that they wanted to say something?
                  For example .. Great Britain “issued the NKVD” not officers of the White Guard Cossack army, but Hitler Cossack army. Many of them greeted the Nazis as their own when Don and the Kuban occupied the German armies and fought at the side of Hitler near Stalingrad, and then with the Nazis left the Soviet Union, and Hitler settled them in southern Austria - northern Italy

                  Source: http://fishki.net/1345059-kak-donskie-kazaki-gitl
                  era-voevali.html © Fishki.net
                  Have you become aware of them here, are close in spirit?
                  Osipova Lidiya Timofeevna (present Polyakova Olympiada Georgievna) in The Diary of a Collaborator, published by the historian Oleg Budnitsky in the collection Finished. The Germans have come! ”:

                  Whatever the Germans, it won’t be worse. Yes, and what do we care about the Germans. We will live without them. Everyone has such a state of health that, finally, something has come that we all have been waiting for so long and that we did not even dare to hope for, but still deeply hoped in our hearts of mind. And, if there weren’t this hope, it would be impossible and nothing to live. And there is no doubt that the Germans will win. Forgive me, Lord! I am not an enemy to my people, to my homeland. Not a geek. But one must face the truth: we all, all of Russia, passionately wish victory to the enemy, whatever it may be. This damned system stole everything from us, including a sense of patriotism ...
                  She looks so much like you in her anti-Sovietism ...
                  1. +8
                    3 November 2017 23: 09
                    You never answered why there were so many traitors under the communists, but you descended into a typical, unproven communist verbiage.
                2. owl
                  +1
                  3 November 2017 22: 15
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  ily, better explain to the people why in

                  And you own the numbers, if so then we are waiting ..
                  For example, I read that in the Patriotic War of 1812 partisans often killed Cossacks, however, as well as vice versa!
                  1. +5
                    3 November 2017 23: 10
                    Quote: gufo
                    And you own the numbers, if so then we are waiting ..

                    Bored with you ...
                    I wrote, the number was striving for zero!
                    What do not like that?
                    1. owl
                      +2
                      3 November 2017 23: 18
                      Well, why it’s boring right away! I can be Russian, but I don’t suspect it!
                      Are you a purebred? If so, how did you determine this, can we have a test there, well, like a pregnancy test or something!
                      Yes, and I expected an answer from you more deflated based on some documents or something
      2. +1
        4 November 2017 00: 23
        Quote: badens1111

        You again, not understanding what you are talking about, not noticing yourself, but you are a clinical Russophobe, RUSSIA has always been from the ancient princes to the Soviet era, and even now it was built as a country in which many languages ​​and peoples live. But they serve one country-RUSSIA , and you like .. served in the ROA, RONA and other gangs among the Nazis.

        Well, you obviously got excited with the princes, it’s not that there was a division according to nationalities, but Russians were divided among the principalities.
        You serve the country of Russia, serve, but why is it and its history to use mud at every opportunity. Whoever would be against "languages ​​and peoples", only these "languages ​​and peoples" are so far good in Russia as all Russians, but as hard times, they need exchange for national apartments right away.
        1. 0
          4 November 2017 18: 57
          Quote: E_V_N
          You serve the country of Russia, serve, but why is it and its history to use mud at every opportunity.

          Prove that I, somewhere, poured mud over my country. Do you know?
          But the fact that you are using the old Goebbels method, throw a piece of dirt in the form of slander against your opponent. It does not matter that this is a lie, it is important that the sediment remains. This is an absolute fact.
          1. +2
            7 November 2017 15: 07
            Quote: badens1111
            Prove that I, somewhere, poured mud over my country. Do you know?
            But the fact that you are using the old Goebbels method, throw a piece of dirt in the form of slander against your opponent. It does not matter that this is a lie, it is important that the sediment remains. This is an absolute fact.

            Do you think that your attempts to extinct entire layers from history are not mud pouring? How can one evaluate what was good in history and what is bad, that "radishes" came to power then, and "saints" ruled here? We did not live then and were not in those circumstances, and therefore we cannot judge what we would do ourselves. Of course, you can assume that you have the right to give estimates to our ancestors, personally I don’t think so.
            But about the “Goebbels methods”, you directly touched me constantly with your ability to blame others for what you are doing. "and you like .. served in the ROA, RONA and other gangs among the Nazis." Isn’t that a piece of dirt that you threw at me? They threw it so simply, not knowing not me, not my family.
    4. +2
      4 November 2017 11: 16
      Quote: Evdokim E
      Perhaps I will answer you instead of Zakharova. If you, “Varangian 0711”, had Turkis and Mongols in your family, and everyone who walked along the Wild Field, then you are, of course, a Tatar. But if you begin to deny your belonging to the Tatars (with such a pedigree), then in this case you are just a rootless cosmopolitan.

      Well said. By the way, I completely agree with all the statements of Elena Zakharova, and who believes that there are no Russians, and this is just such a state of mind, then you all go to ... cosmopolitan rootless. I myself am Russian by nationality and know all my ancestors until the end of the 19th century on the paternal and maternal side. And yet, I would like to return the column "nationality" to the passport.
    5. +1
      4 November 2017 13: 10
      Gorgeous comment, standing ovation !!!
  32. +2
    3 November 2017 18: 44
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Stupid shovel nonsense.
    I don’t even see the point of commenting, sorry.

    This is how everything is .... The British are, the French are, there are even Jews, cybans, Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, the Poles are there, they even invented the Ukrainians, but there are no Russians.
    Isn't it funny?

    It’s not funny to me. Have you ever wondered at least once on whether there is at least one “pure” nation left in the world, with the exception of some lost tribe in Africa or the Amazon jungle? For so many centuries, almost all nations have mixed together, so there are no purebred Russians, Germans, British, etc. The Jews drop out of this scheme, and that’s not all. Indeed, the Jews also enter into international marriages. after all, if the mother is Jewish, then the child definitely has Jewish blood. Father. Yes, the father, sometimes some mothers can not always say exactly who the father of the child is.
    1. +10
      3 November 2017 18: 59
      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
      I'm not funny

      I know why you are not funny.
      Firstly, poor education, if you don’t even know such a word as assimilation.

      Secondly, you are not Russian.
      1. +2
        4 November 2017 22: 23
        Firstly weak education

        Weak education?
        Yes, you do not seem to be a native speaker, put commas correctly, but Russians don’t say that.
        What did the agent sleep?
    2. SMP
      +1
      3 November 2017 21: 36
      Father: yes, father, sometimes some mothers cannot always say exactly who the father of the child is.


      laughing Well, you have identified the nation, apparently there were too many precedents that took this step. And before 2000 years ago, nationality was passed on to the father.
      1. +4
        4 November 2017 13: 14
        Quote: SMP
        Well, you have identified the nation, apparently there were too many precedents that took this step. And before 2000 years ago, nationality was passed on to the father.

        Jews are always maternal and 2000 years ago, too.
      2. 0
        4 November 2017 21: 51
        Alas, women, apparently, since the time of Eve, are not perfect. However, like men. And this does not depend on what nationality they belong to.
  33. +4
    3 November 2017 18: 45
    We are home Tatars Russian Mordovians)
  34. +9
    3 November 2017 18: 51
    The text is complete nonsense, there is no desire to even argue over some individual points (but the passage about Jews says a lot). I only note that in February 1917 the Russian people lost their statehood and have not restored it until now. And all this time on the territory of Russia they are trying to build a non-Russian state, but a stone flower still does not come out. And never comes out. Do not expect.
    And it would be nice for comrade Podolyaka to decide who he is: Russian (and a Ukrainian is such a Russian, as Buzina said) or just a Ukrainian. And it’s somehow inconvenient to sit on two chairs.
  35. +1
    3 November 2017 18: 56
    as they say - I'm Russian, only the eye is narrow)
  36. +14
    3 November 2017 19: 01
    Half the world is asleep and they see that only a line in the history books remains from the Russians. Half the world is asleep and see how they are taking up the resources of the largest and richest country on the planet. But how to do that? War does not help, verified. Even the International did not help, although he tried his best ... But after all, the 21st century is in the yard, is not it? Freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of propaganda ... And let's make the stuff that Russian does not exist at all. Russians are not a nation. This is a state of mind. For 20 years, the Russians themselves have been accustomed to this. Well, then another 20 years later we will change this very state of mind. Look, Ukrainians have already changed .... If you can’t destroy it by war, you need to sharpen the roots and values. What is such a state-forming nation? There is no such thing. Russia is just a hodgepodge of Kalmyks, Mordovians, Tatars, Germans, Chukchi, Evenks, etc., in which there is a Russian spirit. But Russians are a myth. There are none of them. Well, there are no Russians (the main thing is that they themselves would believe in it, but for that century of information technology), there is no Russia, which is a treb ...
    1. +9
      3 November 2017 19: 13
      To a point, everything goes to this, the task of such authors is to make them forget their centuries-old history, national identity and become simply “Russians”.
    2. 0
      4 November 2017 13: 16
      Everything is designed for this, but without the tribe-tribe the "Yaroslav soul" they only sing along with them.
    3. +1
      5 November 2017 17: 45
      Exactly., Introvert, five points.
  37. +5
    3 November 2017 19: 08
    Quote: you Vlad
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Any Russian will understand my comments.
    And you actively deny the existence of Russian nationality.

    Why are you fooling their heads? Tell them simply: I am a Russian nationalist!

    It is enough for them to simply say "I am Russian," and a nationalist, it means mentally healthy, which is already understandable, for not understanding that nationalism is a protective reaction of a healthy society (not to be confused with Nazism), it means not understanding elementary, fundamental, or trolling. ..
    1. +15
      3 November 2017 19: 25
      Quote: sergv
      It’s enough for them to simply say “I am Russian”

      By the way, my first account when I first registered on one political forum (MSN) was like this - Russian.
      Everyone rushed at me like mad dogs! Accused of all mortal sins.
      But I survived))
      1. +8
        3 November 2017 19: 53
        Of course, they rushed, they can’t call themselves that, it will be too obvious, because they came up with the idea that according to the state of the soul - which everyone can have. But here is a paradox - the state of the Russian soul can only be found in the Russian people, who are genetically attached to the land of their ancestors, to their culture, lifestyle and thoughts, in which truth and justice are not just words.
        1. +7
          3 November 2017 21: 09
          Thank you!
          You are right to all 100!
          But now they are throwing, not only on this site, but also on the MP (Maxspark), where, despite all these Russophobes, I like the whole site .... well, not quite correctly))
          So I am sure that I am right, because even if not with a word people supported me in an open debate, they really cast their votes for me.
          If you look interesno))
          http://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/3211
          536
  38. +5
    3 November 2017 19: 10
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    And what do you dislike in my opinion?
    Probably dreaming that again 14 republics would sit on the neck of Russia and further suck as it was during the years of Soviet power?

    These 14 republics won in 1945 over Nazi Germany by their allies. And your argument about Russian
    patriotism looks childish.
    1. +10
      3 November 2017 19: 23
      Quote: nikvic46
      patriotism looks childish.

      Give me statistics on nat. the composition of the main assault units of the army owls, and then we'll talk about who won.
      1. +3
        3 November 2017 19: 58
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        Give me statistics on nat. the composition of the main assault units of the army owls

        In your opinion, this is only an assault unit? belay
        The first assault brigades began to form in the spring of 1943, while the army was still called the Red, and not the Soviet.
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. +2
            3 November 2017 22: 37
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            No need to dissemble and back back to Tashkent.

            Why is Tashkent here? request
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            Give me statistics on nat. the composition of the main assault units of the army owls

            Hint at the Tashkent Front? If so, it was necessary to directly ask a question on this topic.
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            After all, they perfectly understood what I asked.

            Why do you allegorically express yourself in an open and honest conversation? I do not understand such hints, moreover, for me this smells like pharisaism. If you want the truth-uterus in the face - speak directly. hi
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            Answer and do not backward directly to my question.

            Learn to pose questions and "spinning backwards" will cease to disturb your ego.
            I have no information about the national composition of the Red Army assault brigades, I have a video chronicle and a photo:
            Fighters of the 19th engineering and combat engineer of the Rivne brigade

            I am one hundred percent sure that the soldiers were selected not according to nationality, but according to their physical and psychological abilities, and the fact that many Russians fought in the assault brigades is normal!
            1. +10
              3 November 2017 23: 04
              Quote: Dym71
              I have no information about the national composition of the Red Army assault brigades

              It's not my fault, after all, that you do not know, but you can easily assert.
              Turn on Google, or Yandex, there are answers to these questions.
              Or are you banned there?
              1. +1
                3 November 2017 23: 06
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                It's not my fault, after all, that you do not know, but you can easily assert.

                What am I saying? belay
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                Turn on Google, or Yandex, there are answers to these questions.
                Or are you banned there?

                The answer is nothing, from a word in general! negative
            2. +10
              3 November 2017 23: 05
              My relatives stormed Berlin.
              But I do not flaunt it by the way.
              I wear it inside myself, respect them, and am proud of their feat.
              1. +2
                3 November 2017 23: 13
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                My relatives stormed Berlin.
                But I do not flaunt it by the way.

                Well so, it’s not you who stormed.
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                I wear it inside myself

                Wear it badly.
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                respect them, and proud of their feat.

                Are they proud of you?
                This question is more important than respect by you, your ancestors.
                What do you think?
              2. 0
                4 November 2017 21: 58
                And my grandfather, who was a mixture of a Pole with a Russian, also fought in the Second World War, in the 2nd Ukrainian Front. There was a bridge engineer (he had such a specialty before the war, so he was called up for it) ... He was killed in the battles for the liberation of Hungary.
      2. +4
        3 November 2017 22: 57
        Uzbekistan took thousands of besieged children, old people, women, fed it, gave a roof over its head .. The Azerbaijanian Azizbekov was in charge of the famous "dear life". How many lives this road saved has not been counted. The Georgian Kantaria set the banner over the Reichstag. Tatar Musa Jalil was a war correspondent. He fought on the Volkhov and Leningrad fronts. Fighting with a group of entourage, he was wounded and captured. He was imprisoned in Spandau prison. He organized a group there, which was preparing an escape, was issued by a provocateur. He was transferred to Moabit prison, where he was cruelly tortured. He also wrote poems full of love for his homeland, wrote humorous poems full of kindness. In August 1944 he was executed on the guillotine in Berlin. And these are just two examples. And how many millions of people from all republics The Soviet Socialist Republic died in battle, in captivity, during interrogations and torture, we, truly, will never know for sure.
      3. +6
        3 November 2017 22: 58
        I know who won the victory. My grandfather, an artist, a full gentleman of the Order of Glory, who came to Berlin, Khali Gani Ganievich, and my other maternal grandfather Khairulla Ziganshin, who died the death of the brave near Stalingrad and our neighbor Plyoshkin, uncle Sergei, died of wounds in the 80s, and more and more. Thanks to the grandfathers for the victory! Without distinction of nationalities, they fought for the MOTHERLAND!
  39. +5
    3 November 2017 19: 12
    The ruler must understand his people. The people must love their ruler. Love and the concept, rather strong components of the relationship. The ruler of Russia, of course, must be Russian with a capital letter, and the roots have nothing to do with it.
  40. +5
    3 November 2017 19: 17
    On November 4, Russian nationalists will return to the “Russian marches”. They will demand the construction of "Russia for the Russians", considering this the only way to save the Fatherland.

    If you ask these people: "and who are the Russians"? We won’t hear a clear answer. At the dawn of the formation of the state, it was necessary to develop new territories. This task was precisely the task of the advanced detachment consisting of relatively small ethnic groups. Mari, Chuvash, Udmurts, Tatars, Mordovians, you will not list all. And so a common culture, a common language appeared. And of course, our ancestors made sure that subsequent generations had where to live and where to develop.
    Campaign history needs to be taught better.
  41. +3
    3 November 2017 19: 34
    The ruler has the unconditional right to chop the heads of opponents and enemies of the country which he rules, which is what Stalin essentially did, who, unlike other rulers, never betrayed or sold Russia. What the ruler does not have the right to do is chop wood ... Liberalism is the enemy of Russia ... The country is harsh and laws must be appropriate, as are people. This is where it turns out who is Russian and who is not ....
  42. +6
    3 November 2017 19: 48
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Quote: aws4
    Unfortunately no

    I do not think so.
    Russophobia with its brains outcast, as well as those who replicate shovels about Russian delirium less and less.

    Elena. You would immediately say that you are an ardent anti-Soviet. Only capitalist Russia, no relation to the 1945 Victory
    does not have. Your anti-Sovietism is based on the fact that you have used up the resources of the USSR. The USSR also had enemies, but how many enemies are now made is a talent you must have.
    1. +8
      3 November 2017 23: 00
      Quote: nikvic46
      Only capitalist Russia, nothing to do with 1945 Victory

      "They did not fight for me, they fought for their Russia
      I.V. Stalin "

      Stalin’s response to an American journalist on his question for whom the Russians fought in World War II.
      Will you object?
      Or go to learn history?
  43. +8
    3 November 2017 19: 52
    The idol of Russian nationalists is Emperor Alexander III. The real Russian patriot, who was offended by the Germans, the British and ... for some reason the Jews, decided to rebuild the motley empire of his ancestors into a Russian national state.

    Especially for the author.
    And what do you think about such an attitude of the emperor towards these peoples?
    Maybe go to the archive, read memoirs and memoirs?
    Maybe then you will have a broader worldview about this attitude.
    After all, the emperor was neither demented nor a chauvinist.
    In his retinue and on his throne there were dozens of representatives of ethnic groups of Russia.
    So there was irrefutable evidence that the representatives of these peoples should be isolated from the rest.
  44. +7
    3 November 2017 19: 56
    "The real Russian man Dzhugashvili" sank the country in Russian blood. That is why Russia should be for Russians, and not for imperial chauvinists.
    1. +6
      3 November 2017 20: 11
      And since when did the Bandera walking girl Sobchak and her like patients with Russophobia become Russian? You look at your imperial chauvinism more often. Before blaming Russia for it ... It’s enough to recall the dreams of Greater Poland from sea to sea ... And Ukraine, which stubbornly does not want to leave the lands to which it has nothing to do, because all their Ukraine on the map of 1654 ...
      1. 0
        27 November 2017 16: 43
        Do you have a patent for determining Russianness?
        1. 0
          27 November 2017 20: 06
          To determine Russophobia, Sobchak and others like her do not need a patent. In the United States, a person who obtains US citizenship vows to defend the United States with weapons in his hands, including from his historical homeland, if he is a migrant ... I see no reason why in the Russian Federation it should be different .... And in Russia, too many patriots divorced foreign states with Russian citizenship and this is already becoming a problem. This needs to be changed and the sooner the better. The gentlemen of the Tozherosiyans and their brothers must either swear allegiance to Russia, or leave the territory of the Russian Federation!
          1. 0
            28 November 2017 16: 46
            What can be Russophobia towards you? you yourself are not Russian.
            1. 0
              28 November 2017 17: 10
              Well, not Sobchak and her like, judges who is Russian in Russia .....
  45. +8
    3 November 2017 20: 00
    > "Russian, this is a state of mind"

    For such disgusting it is necessary to deprive citizenship and all human rights without the possibility of restoration.
    Here is a good quote directly related to the author :.
    1. +3
      3 November 2017 20: 49
      Very true noticed!
    2. +4
      3 November 2017 22: 48
      disgusting? to deprive of citizenship? So, in your opinion, General Vlasov is truly Russian, but, for example, Musa Jalil, a so-so foreigner, didn’t defend his MOTHERLAND, but, unlucky, the peasant accidentally passed by? Russian is when “here is the Russian spirit, it smells of Rus here!” However, probably for you, A.S. Pushkin is also not an authority, a foreigner
    3. 0
      4 November 2017 22: 00
      Do you agree that Lermontov is a great Russian poet?
  46. +13
    3 November 2017 20: 02
    In the USSR, they made a bet on the nationalities, and as a result of the collapse of the USSR, under the slogan - We feed the ever-drunk Russia, which eats us ... In the USSR, the national republics had the highest standard of living due to subsidies from Russia, and as a result in Lithuania, In Latvia and Estonia, we have such an enclave of Russophobia that perhaps even Napoleonic France was more loyal to Russia than these supposed brothers ... Today Putin gives $ 750 million to Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, as if Russia has no problems ... Russia turns into a passage yard for foreigners suffering from Russophobia, and as a result we have Kandapogu, Khatkovo and the like ... And what, again, the Russians are to blame for everything ?! Among my friends there are two families of Russian refugees from Kazakhstan, one from Azerbaijan, one from Kyrgyzstan ... So with your Russophobia, go to the countries of which you consider yourself patriots ... Russians have nowhere else to leave, they have nothing but their Russia , which they will defend to the last, because there is nowhere else to retreat. 84% of Russians in Russia and if someone does not like them, they in Russia do not detain anyone. 60% of Pashtuns live in Afghanistan and no one doubts what exactly they are the masters of Afghanistan ....
  47. +5
    3 November 2017 20: 04
    Here I read such comments that the hair stood on end. As they say, where I was born, it fit in there.
    nationality and denigrating others is the very last thing. If we want to come to us from Russia from others
    countries are smart professionals.
    1. +1
      3 November 2017 20: 55
      Respect all over the world only those who respect themselves. And lives better than others.
    2. +5
      3 November 2017 21: 06
      We need our specialists and workers - there are many problems from visitors, ranging from sanitation to banditry.
    3. +1
      4 November 2017 00: 49
      Quote: nikvic46
      Here I read such comments that the hair stood on end. As they say, where I was born, it fit in there.
      nationality and denigrating others is the very last thing. If we want to come to us from Russia from others
      countries are smart professionals.

      Exactly, Russia cannot live without foreign loans, and it’s a disaster without foreign experts .... Have you tried to study and leave your children in Russia?
  48. +2
    3 November 2017 20: 06
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Dvoeshnik you ...
    Not the language a person speaks determines his nationality!

    After this phrase, it seems to me, there is nothing to discuss. As they say - that’s all about this man.
    1. +4
      3 November 2017 20: 10
      Dvoeshnik you ...
      Not the language a person speaks determines his nationality!
      After this phrase, it seems to me, there is nothing to discuss. As they say - that’s all about this man.

      And what is wrong?
      I am fluent in four languages. Another in the process of learning.
      Does this mean that I have four and a half nationalities?
    2. +7
      3 November 2017 21: 24
      Quote: Abracadabrus
      After this phrase

      I speak fluently, and purely in four languages ​​....
      Ukrainian
      Russian
      German
      English
      Somehow in the USA, native pure Americans told me that I have a Belgian accent in English
      Who am I by nationality?
      1. +7
        3 November 2017 22: 41
        a jaundiced, illiterate person of nationality speaking "four languages." But this is a temporary nationality, transient. After being able to speak “four languages”, the next step is to start learning to think and everything will be fine. Good luck in this field.
        1. +12
          3 November 2017 22: 57
          And what did they write their comment in such a dependent anger?
          1. SMP
            +1
            3 November 2017 23: 56
            And what did they write their comment in such a dependent anger?

            Elena, of course, I could be wrong, but his syllable is very similar to the syllable
            Author: Yuri Podolyak.

            For the whole article Russia for Russians has already been built once, which ignited comic battles on the forum fits into one phrase
            But this is a temporary nationality, transient


            Therefore, perhaps you are discussing with the author (incognita) Article.
            By try to compare his style of thought-presentation with the article .......
            Key phrase maybe ...
          2. +1
            4 November 2017 00: 02
            He read your comments and wrote his good
            Already on the third yard your bazaar is heard!
  49. +7
    3 November 2017 20: 12
    Another internacist campaign. Judging by the comments of the good Russian people to her, in the near future they will break their faces. And this is good - reality is developing in the right direction.
  50. 0
    3 November 2017 20: 18
    The Germans ... who ... Tatars ... who ... Jews who ... Russian ... what ... This is the answer to all verbiage on the question of the Russian nation ...
  51. +6
    3 November 2017 20: 23
    Apparently the author is a supporter of multiculturalism, which we have already had enough of during the 74 years of rule of the “Kgas commissars”, when, under the cover of internationalism and communism, there was a mixing of nationalities and the destruction of the Russian national idea and traditions. And now our government is far from being Russian - Shalomov, Mendel and others. By the way, the pre-revolutionary Black Hundreds (Union of the Russian People-RNC) were not against other peoples, but were counter-revolutionary and were only against Jews - in the surviving literature of this movement it is written that all revolutionary actions in the Republic of Ingushetia are carried out by Jewish agents and with Jewish money.
    1. +1
      3 November 2017 20: 37
      Quote: vasilev
      By the way, the pre-revolutionary Black Hundreds (Union of the Russian People-RNC) were not against other peoples, but were counter-revolutionary and were only against Jews

      Right?
      That's a total lie..
      The founder of the Black Hundreds was the Jew Gringmut. The other is Stolypin’s close associate Gurlyand. They were neither agents nor provocateurs. The “Jewish Encyclopedia” wrote (1910): “They pursue the idea of ​​the complete inclusion of Jews in the principles of Russian statehood, without at all abandoning their religious and national aspirations.”
      https://eto-fake.livejournal.com/1210886.html
      1. +3
        3 November 2017 20: 43
        What “Black Hundred” are you writing about? I’m talking about the Union of the Russian People, the founder of which was A.I. Dubrovin. hrono.ru/organ/ukaz_s/soyuz_rn.php
        1. 0
          4 November 2017 16: 18
          Quote: vasilev
          hrono.ru/organ/ukaz_s/soyuz_rn.php

          In 1908-10, the “Union of the Russian People” was divided into three independent patriotic organizations: “Union of the Archangel Michael” (under the leadership of V.M. Purishkevich), “Union of the Russian People” (under the leadership of N.E. Markov) and “All-Russian Dubrovinsky Union Russian People"...as well as members of the Council P. F. Bulatzel, G. V. Butmi-de-Katzman,

          In general, the quasi-monarchists of our time have joined the category of evil Nazis present in the article... what a vinaigrette...
    2. +4
      3 November 2017 22: 37
      multiculturalism of "kgasny commissars"? Where have you gone, vasilev! And the book of genealogies of nobles of the Russian Empire? Are these also “gas commissars”? Russia is the only successful fusion of peoples in history!
  52. +5
    3 November 2017 20: 40
    And what is all the fuss about? belay Because of who has the right to be called Russian and what kind of beast this is - “Russian” what ?
    Funny laughing
    If someone likes to specifically play at nationalism, then call yourself Russians (Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tatars, etc.)
    And I consider myself Russian, even though according to my passport I am Belarusian hi
    For me, “Russians” are the definition of a generally fair civilization (albeit with its own shortcomings), but different from the rest of the “correct” world, with its own values ​​and moral principles, with normal families, with healthy concepts of good and evil, it’s not money that’s at the forefront, but something else.......
    request hi
    1. +4
      3 November 2017 20: 47
      And I consider myself Russian, even though according to my passport I am Belarusian

      Historically, Russians are divided into Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians.
      1. +4
        3 November 2017 20: 52
        Quote: ThePeka
        Historically, Russians are divided into Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians.

        What kind of historians did you share this? wink
        These divisions are territorial rather than national. request
        The West strives to destroy ALL Russians (regardless of their “division”, whether you are an Armenian, or a Ukrainian with a Belarusian, a Kazakh or a Tatar), and therefore there is no point in sharing! Yes
        1. +1
          4 November 2017 16: 19
          Quote: Rurikovich
          These divisions are territorial rather than national.
          The West strives to destroy ALL Russians (regardless of their “division”, whether you are an Armenian, or a Ukrainian with a Belarusian, a Kazakh or a Tatar), and therefore there is no point in sharing!

          Well said. good
  53. +5
    3 November 2017 20: 44
    All these foreign Russians only became Russians “out of state of mind,” because there was a large Russian population, and it set the tone. And they lived better in Russia than anywhere else. And what ruined the Empire was the Jewish part of the elite associated with Western capital - its propaganda. The article is superficial and amateurish.
  54. +4
    3 November 2017 20: 47
    Guys, don’t stoop to the level of your aunts, they are disoriented and have forgotten that their place is the kitchen.
    1. +3
      3 November 2017 20: 55
      A neighbor comes to see her friend and sees her with a frying pan in her hand and a man lying on the floor in the hallway:
      - What is yours lying on the floor?
      - He is the owner. He lies where he wants...
    2. +9
      3 November 2017 21: 36
      Quote: zollstab
      their place is the kitchen

      Your place is a court of revenge and serving Russophobes.
      What did you lose on a serious site?
      1. +3
        4 November 2017 12: 51
        Bravo, Elena!!! I specially registered on the site to support you!!!
        Stop oppressing the Russian nation!!! There are Tatars, there are Yakuts, there are Chuvashs, but there are no Russians??? They are scoops and scoops in Africa...
  55. +4
    3 November 2017 21: 18
    Prosperity under Stalin? Wake up, author! I’ve already written many times to people like you: if you don’t know a subject, then you’re just a d,,,k, and if you know, but, to put it mildly, are deceiving, then you’re a “*’:ch.” Moreover, one does not completely exclude the other.
  56. SMP
    +4
    3 November 2017 21: 21
    The article is pure provocation, with a hint of antiquity, the Slavs invited the Normans to rule over us. With a hint that Russians cannot govern, and they cannot command in the army either; descendants of foreigners are everywhere.

    I won’t mention a single commander, but only the 18th-19th century scientists Mendeleev and Lomonosov, and perhaps Popov of the early 20th century. That is the percentage of different talents, both managerial and scientific, in different nationalities is approximately the same, It differs only in the accessibility of different peoples to good education, especially school education, as the USSR showed in a country with 80% illiterate population.
    Because at this age the growing intellect of the future person is formed, and what they want to ruin with the help of the EG and the Bologna system.

    It is such provocateurs who, under the guise of good intentions, incite national hatred, and push many who are not very literate into extreme nationalism.
    And they talk to such types with the help of a shoe, it’s more convenient to rub shoe polish on your lips......
  57. Cop
    +6
    3 November 2017 21: 25
    Georgian Dzhugashvili raised the country from ruins and ensured its prosperity for decades.

    After the war, my mother and grandmother secretly collected frozen and rotten potatoes from the collective farm field. And I spent my childhood and youth in lines for ..... bread. Maybe Mr. author-->author-->author prosperity was only for Russian people...of Georgian nationality?
    1. +6
      3 November 2017 21: 38
      Quote: Cop
      Prosperity was only for Russian people...of Georgian nationality?

      Absolutely true!
      That's how it was!
    2. +2
      3 November 2017 22: 44
      Quote: Cop
      And I spent my childhood and youth in lines for ..... bread.

      Complete nonsense wassat
      You can also write about how you were starving!
      1. owl
        0
        3 November 2017 22: 51
        Starving means Russian!
        1. +1
          3 November 2017 23: 53
          Defended the fatherland - that means Russian.
    3. +2
      3 November 2017 23: 54
      When, for what time and where did you fast?
      1. owl
        0
        4 November 2017 00: 02
        Why did you decide that I was starving, I’m not Russian at all!
      2. +1
        4 November 2017 00: 17
        Quote: Vadim237
        When, for what time and where did you fast?

        She didn’t starve, she spent her childhood and youth in lines for bread - well, the person had no other interests, what could she do? wassat
  58. +3
    3 November 2017 21: 37
    - German Barclay de Tolly developed a plan for the 1812 campaign

    The author is trying so hard to prove that all the leadership and all the Great things in Russian history are entirely foreigners that he even began to talk. If Barclay had been German, he would have been von Tolly, and not de Tolly at all.
  59. +3
    3 November 2017 21: 43
    Quote: Feldscher
    Dear Wend, just do not tell Elena that the Germans are also Slavs laughing

    Germans-Slavs?! Saxons-Slavs? stop “I heard a ringing, but where did it come from...” PRUSSIANS are Western Slavs. But not Germans. PRUSSIA is a historical region originally inhabited by Prussians. Which the Germans, after seizing the territory, practically exterminated. But that’s not the question. Are there such a nationality as Russians? Yes. Who in Russia is the state-forming people? Russians. Do Russians want exclusive rights for themselves? No. But why then are there exclusive rights in Russia? do the so-called “small peoples” receive? Exclusive rights in comparison with the Russians. In court, other things being equal, the Russian turns out to be guilty, and not the “child of the mountains”. Why is it that what is possible for representatives of the “small peoples” in Russia is not possible for a Russian? out of the blue appeared: “Stop feeding the Caucasus!”? Why can Caucasians slaughter sheep in the courtyards of Moscow, but Russians cannot slaughter a pig in the courtyards of Grozny (sarcasm)? As long as this state of affairs continues, the Russian idea will not be very attractive. Everyone is equal, that means everyone is equal, without exception.
  60. +10
    3 November 2017 21: 45
    I confess honestly that I registered on the site to comment on this article. Firstly, the article is VERY weak i.e. the author does not understand what he is writing. Secondly, the article is categorical, and this is VERY harmful since many people believe with aplomb, and not with evidence. Thirdly, the article glosses over the problem facing the Russian people. The problem of returning historical Russia to the responsible management of the Russian people, and those peoples who are ready to voluntarily share a common destiny with them. At the same time, Russia is a country that was created precisely by Russians, whether someone likes it or not. It was our ancestors who plowed here for centuries, arranged everything here on their own backs, and shed their blood for this country. Therefore, of course, Russia is a home for Russians and we are the masters of it by right. But we’re not the only ones with apartments here.)

    Why is the article weak? I’ll try to argue: In order to categorically assert something, you must have a criterion for assessing the truth of the statement. Stalin - I am Russian even though I am Georgian, Churchill - generals are always preparing for past wars or his expression about the fact that democracy is above all, even though it is bad., Khrushchev - our children will live under communism and so on. All the above statements are slogans and not the truth. Or to put it simply, this is empty chatter. What else caught my eye is that the author does not know the definitions. Nation, people, nationality are not just self-explanatory words - they are terms. And anyone who is interested in the question knows that in the 19th century there was no Russian nation. Let me ask you a question: is it there now? If so, what are Russians? And lastly... I was personally very offended by the “Aryan” question about Suvorov’s nationality. Suvorov is a purely Russian surname, which comes from the word suvory - gloomy. Alexander Vasilyevich himself believed that his ancestor was a Swede nicknamed Suvor.
    Best regards, Dmitry.
    1. +10
      3 November 2017 21: 49
      Quote: didra
      I confess honestly that I registered on the site to comment on this article.

      And you don't have to leave!
      It's good that you registered! Smart people are needed everywhere, including at Military Review!
      Otherwise, I’m already tired of these grief-stricken ichtellechtuals)))
    2. SMP
      +4
      3 November 2017 22: 05
      The problem of returning historical Russia to the responsible management of the Russian people, and those peoples who are ready to voluntarily share a common destiny with them.


      You can’t say better good
    3. +1
      3 November 2017 22: 23
      With all due respect, Dmitry, I want to note that my ancestors, not Russians, Bulgars (now Kazan Tatars) also, I’m telling you, “...they plowed here for centuries, arranged everything here on their own, shed blood for this country... together... At the same time, Russia is a country that was created precisely by the Russians, [as well as by the Golden Horde, the history of which is murky even today, and you are probably aware that there is also a version (and now actively developing) that the Horde was not Mongol, but represented the Military branch of the Government of this large territory, which over the centuries became Russia] whether someone likes it or not. 2 / And regarding Suvorov, you contradict yourself a little, it’s unclear whether he’s Russian or from Swedes. The “Tatar” version has the same right to exist in the well-known city of Suvar, in the area of ​​which (what a coincidence!) there were the ancestral estates of the great commander... I agree only on one thing, Suvorov is certainly Russian (like Pushkin and many others) since there is a main criterion: There is a Russian spirit here, it smells like Russia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. +1
        4 November 2017 13: 33
        Quote: Vlad (Tatar)
        You are probably aware that there is also a version (and now actively developing) that the Horde was not Mongol, but represented the Military branch of the Government of this large territory, which over the centuries became Russia] whether someone likes it or not.

        Yes, there is a version that there was such a state of Tartaria and it was, as it were, not even larger than modern Russia or maybe the USSR.
      2. 0
        5 November 2017 05: 59
        Dear Vladislav. I want to say right away that I understand historical science precisely as a science. That is, as a tool for knowing the truth. This science has its own tools, like any normal business. There is archeology, there are chronicles, folklore, there is geography, there are authoritative scientists (sort of like the Suvorovs and Clausewitzes of historical science :)), there is also just common sense and experience. Therefore, I perceive the Tatar-Mongol yoke or the conquest of the Astrakhan and Kazan Tatars under Tsar Ivan the Terrible as proven things. Until this time, Russians and Tatars built different states. But the fact that Russians and Tatars, having gone through all these collisions, were reconciled, survived and live in a common country is a huge achievement - it is impossible to deny. The very names Great or Little Russia are of Mongolian - Byzantine origin. These are tracings of Greek terms that denoted the diocesan districts of the Russian Church at the time when it was part of the Patriarchate of Constantinople. A very interesting point, by the way. Greece Minor is the area where the Hellenes first arose, in other words, the indigenous area.
        About the Russians. Russian in the narrow sense is someone who belongs to the Russian people. In a broader sense, representatives of those peoples who entered into an ethnic group or state, a tribal union at an early stage of the development of the people. For example: Patriarch Nikon is a Mordvin or half-Mordvin and a fellow countryman of Archpriest Avvakum :). Plus, religion, nationality (for example, a Russian living in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania in the XNUMXth century in the north-east of Rus' will be called Lithuanian), language is also a marker, but for example, most Jews at the time of Christ did not speak Hebrew. What else can I say? The Slavs are the sea. Most likely, these are the indigenous people precisely on the territory of Little Rus'. Yes, yes, those same ancient ones! Ukrainians :))) And then, slowly multiplying and spreading, the Slavs or proto-Slavs, or maybe the Wends, Ants, Sklavens, I don’t know for sure, settled over a vast territory - you can read all this in textbooks. And it is precisely for this reason that in such a large country as Russia, Russians are still the absolute majority. And together with Ukrainians and Belarusians, we are probably the largest Indo-European people in the world. I won't confirm. Look how many responses there are to the article. The topic is very pressing)
        1. 0
          5 November 2017 06: 14
          After the Indians, of course.
      3. +1
        5 November 2017 19: 59
        Vlad, I’ll start like you: “with all due respect...”. What would you like to share? IMHO, this whole dispute is unclear about what is caused by the elementary illiteracy of the participants. Firstly, the loudmouths do not know either the meaning or the difference between the concepts of “people”, “ethnic group”, “nationality”, “nationality”, “culture”, “civilization” etc. And without a clear understanding of these terms, we cannot achieve clarity on the national issue.
        Secondly, everyone thinks that he knows exactly what the word “Russian” means. And here, without a good knowledge of history, you can write as many pearls as you want like “my grandmother is Chuvash, which means I’m Russian” or “I woke up in the Chukchi plague after yesterday and, based on the state of my spirit, I realized that he had become Russian.” “State of mind” - how can you argue?
        There is such a witty person Igor Guberman who wrote:
        Between rumors, fairy tales, myths,
        just lies, legends and opinions
        we are at enmity hotter than the Scythians
        for the dissimilarity of delusions.
        Therefore, there are more than enough emotions here, but really valuable thoughts are present only in the quotes given. So they will argue until the batteries run out.
        Well, third. I think it will be more interesting to you than my ridicule. The Volga Bulgars (ancestors of modern Bulgarians) are close to the Sklavins (ancestors of the Slavs) who lived next to them, and they are both ancient Aryan peoples. Those. There is a deep spiritual and civilizational closeness between Russians and Tatars, in order to break which the myth of the Tatar-Mongol yoke was invented. So you are as Russian as the descendants of the Slavs - the Great Russians. Therefore, you and I have a common “Russian spirit” and we equally accurately feel where the “smell of Russia” is. And nationalities are inventions of revolutionaries, precisely to set peoples and nationalities against each other. And according to my personal biography, in 100 cases out of 100, when communicating with Tatars, I always felt that I was talking with a person with absolutely similar concepts and principles. And I am convinced that it is the Tatars who are our brotherly people, and not artificially invented Ukrainians.
    4. +1
      4 November 2017 13: 31
      Quote: didra
      Russians

      Citizenship and nothing more, all “Russians in spirit” are, at most, Russians.
    5. 0
      4 November 2017 15: 46
      Quote: didra
      comes from the word suvory - gloomy.

      ...severe, actually.
      1. 0
        5 November 2017 04: 34
        About the origin of Suvorov. https://sergeytsvetkov.livejournal.com/353474.htm
        l
  61. +1
    3 November 2017 21: 47
    Russian is when “... there is a Russian spirit here, here it smells of Russia...” (or for, for example, Elena Zakharova and others like her, Pushkin is not a Russian poet?
  62. +3
    3 November 2017 22: 05
    Varyag_0711,
    the combination “Russian Slav” is inherently illiterate

    It’s not clear what you’re talking about, that all Slavs are Russian or that Russians are not Slavs?
    1. +9
      3 November 2017 22: 14
      Quote: E_V_N
      the combination “Russian Slav” is inherently illiterate

      It’s a miracle that on another site, namely on Maxpark, my account is a Russian Slav.
      http://maxpark.com/user/1886561641/info
      Although all my original articles are there, I sign them as expected - Elena Zakharova.
      1. The comment was deleted.
  63. +3
    3 November 2017 22: 14
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Open your face

    Gusskaya creamy MP and Comte, sat on your favorite squirrel?
    Do not confuse the shores, here people like you are nothing from themselves.

    Don’t you think that here everyone decides for himself whose position is closer to him. But no one here has given you the right to speak on behalf of “all VO readers” and decide who and what represents you here.
    1. +2
      4 November 2017 16: 25
      Quote: E_V_N
      don't you think

      No, I don't think so.
      Every self-respecting RUSSIAN, a priori, cannot accept Nazi ideology, as well as its adherents, no matter how they, in the form of you, mimic the supposed defenders of the Russian people, I don’t need you, I don’t need you AT ALL, like many others.
      1. +3
        4 November 2017 19: 42
        Quote: badens1111
        Quote: E_V_N
        don't you think

        No, I don't think so.
        Every self-respecting RUSSIAN, a priori, cannot accept Nazi ideology, as well as its adherents, no matter how they, in the form of you, mimic the supposed defenders of the Russian people, I don’t need you, I don’t need you AT ALL, like many others.

        Speak for yourself and on your own behalf, if you represent someone here, name who you represent, but for now these are all the words of a confused intellectual. Speaking here on behalf of ALL RUSSIANS is not even funny, it’s just stupid. Moreover, it’s not for you to decide that my ideology is Nazi, people like you sat in the “troikas” and held court, because only your opinion is the TRUTH in the last instance, and everyone around you is either fools or Nazis. Only you know what kind of ideology the Russians need, although you yourself are not Russian AT ALL.
        1. 0
          5 November 2017 21: 51
          Quote: E_V_N
          Speak for yourself and on your behalf

          Unlike your national demo crowd, I speak for myself.
          Quote: E_V_N
          Speaking here on behalf of ALL RUSSIANS is not even funny, it’s just stupid

          Quote: E_V_N
          Speaking here on behalf of ALL RUSSIANS is not even funny, it’s just stupid

          So don't try.
          Quote: E_V_N
          Moreover, it’s not for you to decide that my ideology is Nazi,

          How to decide, national demoism stinks of liberal Nazism.
  64. +4
    3 November 2017 22: 39
    Varyag_0711,
    You, Varyag_077, are in vain arguing with such characters. For them, all possible nations exist, the main thing is that there are no Russians. And I agree. which is truly Russian. has a special mentality. The laws of social development are the same for everyone, but it is the Russian mentality that gives our development a special flavor (there is no need to mix in the special Russian path of development of society and civilization and other things that do not exist).
    1. owl
      0
      3 November 2017 22: 42
      Who is Russian? What is Russian?
      1. +2
        4 November 2017 00: 07
        This is a person who knows the history of his country - Russia, knows the written language, respects the rights and customs of other countries and peoples; more than 30 nationalities live on the territory of Russia - all of them are Russian, since they have lived here since time immemorial.
        1. owl
          +1
          4 November 2017 00: 13
          Oh, and they also eat rainbows and poop butterflies! laughing
          If we take your words as pure... then the writing is lost, it’s time for the “Russians” to be put in the red or even... written down!
        2. +4
          4 November 2017 01: 03
          No, my friend, such a definition will not work. Firstly, anything must be defined through its own internal qualities and properties, and not in relation to something else.
          Who is Russian? - the one who respects everyone. If a Kalmyk respects the Chukchi, he is Russian.
          Who is Russian? - someone who can write in Russian.
          And it turns out according to the joke:
          - What does a giraffe look like?
          - Did you see the donkey?
          - saw.
          - not at all similar.
          Secondly, by your definition you claim that such a people as Russians do not exist. This begs the question - who do you work for?
          1. owl
            0
            4 November 2017 01: 14
            Yes, he works for the Chukchi!, for the Chukchi, they just want to drink the God-bearing blood! I know them!
            1. +2
              4 November 2017 04: 23
              But who will they drink it from, if the Russians are Evenks and Khanty-Mansi, whose state of mind after the third is quite Russian. They say so, so it is so.
              There are three more Russians - two Tajiks and one Uzbek. They sign in Russian, they can sing “Oh frost, frost”, the main thing is that they feel Russian, so so be it - we write in Krivichi and Rodimich.
        3. +1
          4 November 2017 04: 31
          Explain how to write down Chukchi? - “from the past”, after all, they hang out in their tents.
          From time immemorial, by the way, they are written together. Apparently you don’t know Russian writing very well, so who are you going to order to record you? However, if you respect the Komi-Permyaks, this is the first sign of a native Russian.
          And this is the kind of nonsense you all write here, poor students.
          1. +1
            5 November 2017 19: 00
            It’s easy to write down, they live on the territory of Russia - from the very beginning, even before Kievan Rus, they speak Russian and they all more or less participated in the formation of the country so that all these peoples are Russian, they do not have another state and they are not visitors from abroad .
      2. 0
        5 November 2017 06: 28
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%
        D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5
  65. +16
    3 November 2017 22: 56
    The burning question
    Well, apparently the term “Russian” was not invented in vain lol
  66. 0
    3 November 2017 23: 01
    Once again they remind you! The Russian family is the eldest among the Slavic peoples (by right, conquest, courage, importance?????), having taken on such responsibility Must and must
    1. owl
      0
      3 November 2017 23: 12
      Sorry, but in the “Russian” family who is the eldest, well, there are Vyatichi, Krivichi...
  67. +5
    3 November 2017 23: 19
    Quote: badens1111

    If you fell into this schizophrenic chauvinism, then you should be treated for it, because you, in your writings, without understanding it, indicate your own, precisely your diagnosis.
    that boy, who is completely non-Russian in appearance, is more likely to be completely non-Russian in appearance, who, with a machine gun, stopped the battalion of Georgian troops in Tskhinvali, which is much more Russian than you and your ilk.



    Well, what trolls, let's go now! Completely lazy and kind of stupid creatures. There is a lot of anger and impudence, but zero logic and creativity. Not interested! Well, really, "badens1111" what's going on? He came running, typed a lot of letters, ruined the air and that’s it! Where are the thoughts? Where are the arguments?
    However, this is natural. The time of liberal Russophobes in Russia is coming to an end and, accordingly, the type of liberal Russophobe is becoming smaller. True, this does not affect its smell. As they say: small bug, but very stinky!
    Therefore, I will not continue the polemic with Russophobic trolls, because it is completely useless. But I will speak briefly about the article. So, the article is Russophobic. On the topic raised by the author, I will say: Russia has long been seriously ill with Russophobia.
    Russophobia is not the external one, which only the lazy do not talk about now, but the other internal one, which is talked about much less. Meanwhile, it is internal Russophobia that is the disease that has been eroding the national body from the inside for many years. That's the main problem!
    As soon as we destroy Russophobia as a phenomenon in the country, all of Russia’s problems will be resolved instantly. So it will be! Of course, Russophobes and fifth-column liberals of all stripes will put up furious resistance, but still, victory will be ours - Russian patriots.
    1. +1
      3 November 2017 23: 57
      Quote: Evdokim E
      Well, what trolls, let's go now! Completely lazy and kind of stupid creatures.

      Are you talking about yourself and E. Zakharova’s company in general?
      This is not the first time I’ve watched her fuss, there’s always trouble, quarrel and scandal, involving a bunch of clones.
      Change the site to something disgusting like Sputnik and Pogrom, just according to your intelligence and abilities.
      Regarding internal Russophobia, as long as there are people like you, Russia risks shrinking to the size of the Moscow principality of the 15th century.
      Quote: Evdokim E
      victory will be ours - Russian patriots.

      Blah blah blah, the hysteria in Ukraine began with the same screams. We see how it ended now. You are superfluous in the country, don’t cling to the patriots, Nazis.
    2. +3
      4 November 2017 00: 05
      I shake hands, Evdokim.
  68. +3
    3 November 2017 23: 43
    Lord, I promised that I would not try to get involved in such discussions, but the comments of certain individuals simply surprised and upset me.

    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Quote: nikvic46
    Only capitalist Russia, nothing to do with 1945 Victory

    "They did not fight for me, they fought for their Russia
    I.V. Stalin "

    Stalin’s response to an American journalist on his question for whom the Russians fought in World War II.
    Will you object?
    Or go to learn history?

    The answer he gave to which journalist? The answer is in the spirit: Yandex/Google is not quoted as helping you. Because in response I can scribble to you how Lenin warned that you should not believe every quote on the Internet. Here I have a simple interest, if this really happened, then I apologize.

    Quote: ThePeka
    >Here is a good quote directly related to the author:

    And how can I live now, huh? In my blood, as I know, there are Russians and Germans (if my memory serves me correctly), and Chuvashs. There may even be others. For some reason, I don’t feel inferior and even, surprisingly (!), there is no desire to “humiliate” the “purebreds”. In general, I have the opinion that you are either trying to start an incitement, or simply do not know your ancestry, otherwise such nonsense would not be posted here.

    Quote: tracer
    The Jew’s spirit is also Russian ... but there is one thing ... You see, when circumcision of the foreskin of a male infant from wild pain, the work of the left hemisphere of the brain is deformed for life. This is what determines his attitude to life as a system of values. That is why they are offended by the whole world weaving plots and change their shoes in the air right away ...

    Proof of your words please. And please provide authoritative sources. (Sarcasm) Yes, yes, I know that the Jews carefully hide this, but you know the truth...

    As for the article itself: as already expressed here
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. +3
        4 November 2017 07: 51
        I'm asking for proof. Since they are not there, I conclude that the person is simply talking nonsense and nonsense. And since he is talking nonsense and nonsense, then his words are worthless and in the future you should not pay attention to similar comments.
        PS Well, since you are a trained person, then enlighten me, as you put it, “semi-literate.” There are questions above, by the way. Or will you get away with admitting that you also don’t know anything and let’s end the dialogue there?
      2. +10
        4 November 2017 08: 25
        Quote: Sergey Krotov
        And who said that trained people should teach semi-literate Diminishers?

        Where did you see “trained people”?
        Personally I see hysterical an unbalanced girl who also writes with mistakes... a writer, like laughing
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        Only capitalist Russia, (extra comma) nothing to do with the Victory of 1945 (It wouldn't hurt to finish the sentence...)
        "They did not fight for me, they fought for their Russia
        I.V. Stalin "
        Stalin's answer to an American journalist to his question (and here a comma is just needed...) for whom the Russians fought in World War II.
        Mind wake up? (I wake up, I wake up... I just can’t get it)..
        Or go to learn history?

        If it's a writer then I'm a phone booth Yes
  69. +8
    3 November 2017 23: 54
    How, however, they try to hammer into us a simple idea - there are Kalmyks and there are Chukchis, everything is there. But there are no Russians, Russian is just a state of mind. A good idea for an author with a typical Russian surname.
  70. +1
    4 November 2017 00: 38
    the state grew and prospered as a common home, in which many peoples saw benefit and meaning for themselves

    When the Russian people, mainly peasants, realized that it was for the Russian people that there was no benefit or meaning in this state - the Romanov empire disappeared. The Russian people simply went home from the World War. But “other happily living” peoples never wanted to preserve this happiness.
    Another question is that this “paradise of peoples, which flourished” was so rotten that a group of “world revolutionaries” were able to overturn the entire “happy empire”... put the whole country into cancer again in the name of the future happiness of all peoples.
    1. owl
      +1
      4 November 2017 00: 52
      Quote: kunstkammer
      When the Russian people, mostly peasants, understood

      To understand something you need to have brains! and where do they come from?, just as they didn’t exist a century ago, they didn’t exist in the nineties, so they don’t exist now!
    2. 0
      4 November 2017 13: 41
      Quote: kunstkammer
      The Russian people simply went home from the World War. But “other happily living” peoples never wanted to preserve this happiness.

      A blatant liar. They didn’t just leave, the Big Party and others like them campaigned for them with German money at all costs.
  71. Cop
    +2
    4 November 2017 01: 17
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: Cop
    And I spent my childhood and youth in lines for ..... bread.

    Complete nonsense

    So you didn’t stand in lines? Directly to your home from special. did you bring the distributor? So after school I got on my bike and rode to our general store, stood in line there, sat on a bench and waited for the auto shop. If a food truck brought 400 loaves, then they would give out two loaves. Well, if it’s 800, then that’s four. While studying at the institute in Leningrad, when I went home on vacation, I always bought butter, sausage, fish, cheese, mayonnaise, chocolates, etc., because there was none of this in local stores. And the author of the article is right when he says that the well-being of... a Russian person greatly depended on his nationality, place of residence and social status. Well, what were your interests, young creature, in childhood and adolescence?
    1. owl
      +1
      4 November 2017 01: 30
      Quote: Cop
      While studying at the institute in Leningrad

      belay the damned oppressors had a breakdown (with God's help, of course) and you still infiltrated the enemy's camp from the general store, praise be to Allah! How many lives of village residents were saved on the board of the sweets (in chocolate) and dokhtor sausage you brought? The country should know!
      1. Cop
        +2
        4 November 2017 01: 55
        How many lives of village residents were saved on the board of the sweets (in chocolate) and dokhtor sausage you brought? The country should know!

        Shouldn’t a country, well, know its heroes?
    2. +2
      4 November 2017 04: 11
      And what's so terrible about standing in lines? My parents also sent me to the store to buy bread and stand in line. And so what? Everyone had such a life.
      1. Cop
        +2
        4 November 2017 09: 51
        And what's so terrible about standing in lines?

        Somehow, in my understanding, the queue for.....bread in the 60th year of Soviet power does not fit well with the well-being....of the Russian people about which the author of the article writes. Or do you think this is normal?
        1. +9
          4 November 2017 10: 09
          Quote: Cop
          ...queue for....bread in the 60th year of Soviet power...

          The queue was why? Because there was not enough bread? Or because they brought it once a day, and just enough for people to have enough?
          PS: I myself saw the “clever guys” who fed bread to ducks and pigs in those days, no need for dirt negative
          1. Cop
            +1
            4 November 2017 10: 46
            The queue was why? Because there was not enough bread? Or because they brought it once a day, and just enough for people to have enough?

            Yes, they brought it once a day and exactly enough for people to have enough. Therefore, I had to “cheat”, get on my bike and go to another “General Store”, there again stand in line and think, I won’t be able to stop.... Otherwise, how to “feed” then..... And now, but there’s only There are four “general stores”, not counting the kiosk and cafe... And they contain butter, meat, sausage, and whatever fish you want. There are even figs... I'll keep silent about the bread. And they don’t feed you anything now... grain, mixed feed, vitamins, and dietary supplements... All you have to do is call and they’ll deliver and unload. Is this dirt? Can you guess where this growth in prosperity comes from, about which the author of the article modestly chose not to remain silent.....?
            1. +9
              4 November 2017 12: 08
              Quote: Cop
              Otherwise, how to “feed” it...

              In-in-in ...
              So write then: there was a line for bread... for the pigs.
              And everyone will understand correctly.
              True, I'm afraid not everyone will support request
              1. Cop
                +1
                4 November 2017 13: 17
                True, I'm afraid not everyone will support

                And you conduct a survey among those who live beyond the 101st kilometer. And then tell us about the results......
                1. +9
                  4 November 2017 13: 20
                  Quote: Cop
                  True, I'm afraid not everyone will support

                  And you conduct a survey among those who live beyond the 101st kilometer. And then tell us about the results......

                  Cheap...
                  My grandparents lived a little further away than on 101st.
                  The cattle were never fed bread. Hotch would have been cheaper.
                  And I was brought up with this, that “bread is not for cattle.”
                  Go... through the forest, fields and moss fields, I understand you, and you... are not interesting to me negative
                  1. Cop
                    +1
                    4 November 2017 14: 18
                    The cattle were never fed bread.

                    Let me ask you, what did they feed...the cattle?
                    And I was brought up with this, that “bread is not for cattle.”

                    You were raised poorly. Even Comrade Koba didn’t think of the fact that “bread is not for cattle.”
                    and you... are not interesting to me.

                    Why are you writing then...young creature? Did I inadvertently hurt your delicate soul with my “womb truth”.....
                    1. +10
                      4 November 2017 14: 23
                      I'll make a final joke:
                      Quote: Cop
                      You were raised poorly...

                      But you are good... breadwinner for pigs laughing
                      Quote: Cop
                      ... young creature...

                      Hmm... well, somewhere deep in the soul - it’s somewhere like that, of course Yes
                      Quote: Cop
                      Did I inadvertently hurt with my “womb truth”...

                      I somehow didn’t notice much of the truth. It is technically impossible to injure the uterus.
                      So everything is fine with mnu, cabbage soup... internet entity.
                      1. Cop
                        +1
                        4 November 2017 15: 24
                        I'll post a little final joke.

                        Do they make fun of the "saint"? Only “rootless cosmopolitans” were capable of this... Are you really one of them?
                        But you are good... a breadwinner for the pigs.

                        Not everyone had the coveted special ticket. distributor. Some people had to grow their own delicacies....
                        Hmm... well, somewhere deep in the soul - it’s somewhere like that, of course.

                        Yes, I’m not talking about your soul, but about your education..
                        It is technically impossible to injure the uterus.

                        What anatomical knowledge do you have, did you graduate from SanGIC or did you have a wealth of experience at a vocational school?
        2. 0
          7 November 2017 15: 22
          Quote: Cop
          Somehow, in my understanding, the queue for.....bread in the 60th year of Soviet power does not fit well with the well-being....of the Russian people about which the author of the article writes. Or do you think this is normal?

          Of course, I don’t know how it was in your general store and what kind of bread they brought you, but I remember the 60s. Yes, there were queues for bread, but... the bread was delivered strictly according to schedule and the queue lined up for HOT bread, and not just any bread, namely white, which was just appearing then, was a novelty and seemed very tasty. Rye and gray were always in the store. At least in the city where I was born, Magnitogorsk.
    3. 0
      5 November 2017 20: 47
      Quote: Cop
      So you didn’t stand in lines?

      I stood, but so that my entire childhood and youth are really nonsense Yes
      Quote: Cop
      So after school I got on my bike and rode to our general store, there I stood in line

      After school, my life didn’t end with buying groceries; I went in for sports, modelled, staged plays, and you name it.
      1. Cop
        +1
        6 November 2017 09: 06
        I stood, but so that my entire childhood and youth are really nonsense.[
        /I]

        So you didn’t eat bread three times a day..... Did you alternate with cake? Well, have you seen cards for sugar, cereals, vodka? And after all, this all happened in the 74th year of Soviet power..... And you are nonsense.....
        [I]
        After school, my life didn’t end with buying groceries; I went in for sports, modelled, staged plays, and you name it.

        Haven’t you tried to get up at half past five in the morning and, as it was said here, “feed the cattle,” bring water, firewood, and light the stove. Then go to school... five kilometers away (I didn’t say in vain about the bicycle), study for six lessons, and then line up... for bread. Then again “feed”, “apply”, etc. I would give a lot to see how you will then cover the wing of your glider with tissue paper....
        1. +1
          6 November 2017 12: 27
          Quote: Cop
          So you didn’t eat bread three times a day..... Did you alternate with cake?

          And we ate cakes and had enough bread, because the cattle (like some) were not fed bread!
          Quote: Cop
          Well, have you seen cards for sugar, cereals, vodka? And after all, this all happened in the 74th year of Soviet power.

          I saw the cards, but not all my youth and youth Yes
          Quote: Cop
          Haven't you tried

          We tried, despite the fact that the city, in the village there were every summer and we remember the auto shops and we didn’t forget the fresh bread from the oven and like the word cake We also remember the spelling. hi
          1. Cop
            +1
            7 November 2017 10: 16
            And we ate cakes and had enough bread, because the cattle (like some) were not fed bread!

            Well, share your family secret. What did your grandmother feed her “cattle” so that they grew by leaps and bounds?
            I saw the cards, but not throughout my youth.

            Well, if you started learning about a Windows 95 computer, then I can believe it.....
            .....we also remember
            .

            Do you also remember what kind of braids there are?
            cake

            So there are no other arguments?
            1. +1
              7 November 2017 12: 38
              Quote: Cop
              Well, share your family secret. What did your grandmother feed her “cattle” so that they grew by leaps and bounds?

              I didn’t cook it, I won’t lie, but I did wear it, the pigs always smelled like potatoes + table scraps + there was fishmeal that stank to the point of vomiting.
              Quote: Cop
              Well, if you started learning about a Windows 95 computer, then I can believe it.....

              From punch cards smile
              Quote: Cop
              Do you also remember what kind of braids there are?

              No, I don’t remember, I only know Lithuanian, I’m an urban person, from the age of 14 I worked at a factory that patronized the school.
              Quote: Cop
              So there are no other arguments?

              Why, didn’t I write to you anything else? request
              1. Cop
                +1
                8 November 2017 10: 18
                I didn’t cook it, I won’t lie, but I did wear it, the pigs always smelled like potatoes + table scraps + there was fishmeal that stank to the point of vomiting.

                Yes, however, with such a diet, your pig will take a long time to reach its condition..... And then how luxuriously you lived, you had fishmeal..... Once again I was convinced that the welfare of Soviet citizens greatly depended... from their place of residence. Did your grandmother plant a lot of potatoes?
                From punch cards.

                Oh well.....
                No, I don’t remember, I only know Lithuanian, I’m an urban person, from the age of 14 I worked at a factory that patronized the school.

                And they tried to “wave” at her....?
                Why, didn’t I write to you anything else?

                Well, you wrote a lot about how you went to the village, for example... I also went with my mother to Moscow to buy sausage...
                1. +2
                  8 November 2017 12: 38
                  Quote: Cop
                  Yes, however, with such a diet, your pig will take a long time to reach its condition..... And then how luxuriously you lived, you had fishmeal....

                  You contradict yourself in one sentence! laughing
                  If they lived well (with fishmeal), then the pig didn’t have to live in poverty, right? bully
                  Quote: Cop
                  Did your grandmother plant a lot of potatoes?

                  So much so that I hated the hoe and the bugs.
                  Quote: Cop
                  I also went with my mother to Moscow to buy sausage.....

                  And my grandmother made blood sausage - you’ll lick your fingers, you can buy the kind of figurines in Moscow! tongue
                  Quote: Cop
                  Well, who will you file a complaint against for the lack of......fishmeal? Is this born 71?

                  To no one.
                  71 is a region, born - 73
                  1. Cop
                    +1
                    9 November 2017 09: 42
                    You contradict yourself in one sentence!

                    Not at all, I meant your grandmother, not your pig..... That's how much you need to eat so that there is enough leftovers for the pig.....
                    So much so that I hated the hoe and the bugs.

                    So you can hate even after one furrow......
                    And my grandmother made blood sausage - you’ll lick your fingers, you can buy the kind of figurines in Moscow!

                    You really can’t buy one like this......But I can still see my school teacher making....blood sausage instead of checking notebooks.....
                    To no one.

                    Everyone has their own choice. You do everything yourself....Well, I prefer to buy it all....
                    71 is a region, born - 73.

                    Satisfy your curiosity, where did you use punch cards at such and such an age?
                    1. 0
                      9 November 2017 10: 51
                      Quote: Cop
                      Not at all, I meant your grandmother, not your pig....

                      Are you kidding me?
                      Quote: Cop
                      Yes, however, with such a diet, your pig will take a long time to reach its condition.....

                      ________________________________________
                      Quote: Cop
                      So you can hate even after one furrow......

                      I write about real hatred, but I have sympathy for the furrow,
                      Potatoes grow in garden beds. wink
                      Quote: Cop
                      Everyone has their own choice.

                      Of course, but that’s not what I’m talking about, stop moaning that everything was terrible under the USSR.
                      Quote: Cop
                      Satisfy your curiosity, where did you use punch cards at such and such an age?

                      I remember computer science at school from a textbook, notebook and visual aids: punched cards and magnetic disks the size of a bicycle wheel; there was no computer at school.
                      1. Cop
                        +1
                        11 November 2017 03: 38
                        Are you kidding me?

                        Yes, I just imagined a mountain of leftovers for your piggy.... I’m just thinking about how well you need to eat.....
                        Potatoes grow in garden beds.

                        I'd like to see this garden...
                        Stop moaning that everything was terrible under the USSR.

                        At times it was not just terrible to live in the USSR, but very terrible. And there was ALWAYS a shortage of bread. And it was not because it was fed to “cattle” (no more than 30% was fed in winter and even less in summer), but because the Soviet economy, by definition, could not solve this issue. Those who traveled in “member carriers,” just like you, believed that bread was not for “cattle.” And the main regulators of the Soviet economy, Gosplan and Gossnab, took this into account with the help of funds and quotas. And local party bodies with such funds were forced to limit bread baking. This is where its shortage comes from. I’ll keep silent about seasonal fluctuations in population. And then, what is bread? This is one of the food products, and not the most important one. In the nutritional structure it occupies at best 10%, with pasta about 15%. And in general, such an attitude towards bread during the USSR was the result of propaganda; if there is not enough bread, we will add propaganda. The “second bread” was much more important for nutrition, but your grandmother calmly fed it to your pig without any remorse. And under the tsar, “father,” every peasant had grain (and bread is just processed grain), which he calmly fed to his “cattle.” You know, at that time, it was the 70s, it was impossible to rent out “cattle” of less than a certain fatness. And when our cow got sick and lost a lot of weight, we decided to take her to a meat processing plant. And for this you need to have a certificate from the veterinarians. hospitals. To do this, the veterinarian must examine the “livestock”. Well, he examined and wrote this certificate that the “cattle” did not meet the standard. The certificate is a document that the collective farm chairman saw and he immediately snitched on the prosecutor’s office. And my mother was called there. Isn't this terrible?
                        I remember computer science at school from a textbook, notebook and visual aids: punch cards

                        Is this what you call studying a computer? So I filled these punched cards and got my hand so full that I could tell by the holes on it what symbol it was and that meant finding an error in the program code. This is actually studying.........
        2. +1
          7 November 2017 15: 28
          Quote: Cop
          So you didn’t eat bread three times a day..... Did you alternate with cake? Well, have you seen cards for sugar, cereals, vodka? And after all, this all happened in the 74th year of Soviet power..... And you are nonsense.....

          The year 74 of Soviet power, this must be understood as 1991, what Soviet power are you talking about then? This “blessed” market has already arrived in all its unparalleled glory.

          Quote: Cop
          Haven’t you tried to get up at half past five in the morning and, as it was said here, “feed the cattle,” bring water, firewood, and light the stove. Then go to school... five kilometers away (I didn’t say in vain about the bicycle), study for six lessons, and then line up... for bread.

          It seems to me that none of those present here are to blame for the fact that you were born in the village and your parents kept cattle and farmsteads. If your conscience allows you, voice your complaints to your parents.
          1. +1
            7 November 2017 20: 25
            Quote: E_V_N
            74 year of Soviet power, this must be understood as 1991

            He is the one, but Madame has claims against the entire Soviet regime! smile
            1. Cop
              +1
              8 November 2017 10: 35
              The year 74 of Soviet power, this must be understood as 1991, what Soviet power are you talking about then? This is the “blessed” market in all its unparalleled glory.
              .

              Let me point out that Soviet rule ended at the END of 1991. And in the beginning she was still quite herself......
              It seems to me that none of those present here are to blame for the fact that you were born in the village and your parents kept cattle and farmsteads. If your conscience allows you, voice your complaints to your parents.

              Listen, your reasoning is strange... What does this have to do with those present, and especially my parents? Is it their fault for the lack of......fish meal?
            2. Cop
              +1
              8 November 2017 10: 40
              He is the one, but Madame has claims against the entire Soviet regime!

              Well, who will you file a complaint against for the lack of......fishmeal? Is this born 71?
  72. +4
    4 November 2017 01: 18
    My grandmother on my father’s side was Chuvash, her stepfather was a very wealthy peasant, and the girl received an education. She became a teacher of Russian language and literature. She really wanted her three children to speak purely Russian. And so the grandfather (he was half Chuvash, and half Pole) and my grandmother spoke Russian with the children in the house from birth. My father and his older sister were already studying at school, when suddenly my grandmother realized that the children did not know their native language. The parents decided to communicate only in the house in Chuvash. The girls agreed, fearing their formidable dad. But my father did not. He told them, say whatever you want, I will speak Russian, because I am Russian. They convinced him, terribly punished him and even beat him. But he insisted on his own. family’s passport listed Chuvash, Chuvashka in Soviet times. And his language is Russian. They wrote it down that way because he refused to speak the Chuvash language. He made this decision at the age of 8 (!), and at 16 he couldn’t even say anything, although understood native speech. So my dad and mom are Russian - mom ethnically, and dad in spirit. But there is a problem with this. I know one young man. He is Caucasian. When he arrived he spoke with an accent. Now there is no accent. As a teenager, he really wanted to be considered Russian, but he hardly knows Russian culture at all. How about this? So the question is very complex. Probably, we need to preserve and support Russian culture very strongly so that everyone is immersed in it. And we also need to all return to our roots - remember that we are all Russians who are kind, sincere, heartfelt. May God's grandchildren and great-grandchildren. And may this mean giver. So we are those who give good to people. In Sanskrit, Russia means born with love. And in Orthodoxy, we have the Mother of God, the queen of heaven. And she treats everyone with maternal love. And for some reason many nationalists so angry. What's wrong with them? Since I was 13, every year I was invited by those who go to Shchukinskaya. I went three times. And in 15 I saw a guy zigging while they were walking to the beat of drums and shouting: “Russian order in Russia!” I had such a terrible impression. In my family, many relatives died in the war. My grandmother’s sister has children and a husband, a sister, a mother and some other sons. My grandmother couldn’t even talk about the war. Back in 2015, I decided not to support them anymore. Don’t go anywhere with them. I am a deeply religious person and I don’t want any hatred or strife. I don’t want war, I don’t want revolution. Only peace and love in my heart for all people in the world. And I think that this is Russian.
    1. +3
      4 November 2017 04: 36
      And why write all this nonsense? Russians are kind, giving, loving... Have you listed everything, all the differences between Russians and, say, the French or Italians? Well, just a doctor of science.
  73. The comment was deleted.
  74. +8
    4 November 2017 02: 24
    The article evokes the following image: a curly-haired “Podolyak” with his camp comes to visit a neighbor, say Vasily Gagarin. He asks me to drink some water, saying that we have been wandering through the ravines for 40 years and are very tired. They drank, and at the same time the compassionate Vasily fed them and allowed them to spend the night. In the morning, this astropolitan declares - I feel like Gagalin in my soul and therefore I am now the master here, and your place is Vasya in the garden during the day, but at night you stand guard at the gate, now there are many of us Gagalins and few rooms!
  75. +3
    4 November 2017 03: 13

    A nation is rather a territorial-political concept. It is more correct to consider ethnicity, and what nationality a person considers himself to be.
    1. +2
      4 November 2017 04: 44
      What to suck out of the gnarled finger of definition? There are dictionaries, so read what a nation, ethnicity, nationality is. nationality, people. And then you decide what valuable thing you have to tell the people, besides what you read in the dictionary?
  76. The comment was deleted.
  77. +3
    4 November 2017 06: 47
    I read the article and comments. The attitude is not just ambivalent, but something out of hand (((.... On the one hand, yes, I’m Russian, last name, appearance, but maybe from the Finno-Ugric, my skin and hair are too light))) Now The question is tormented: which of the sons should be considered Russian? The first was born from a Russian, but with a German surname, well, it’s obvious, the type, the second from a Tatar, half, really (my husband’s mom is Russian, dad is Tatar), my children can be called Russian or not, the question really worries me?? ?? And if not, then where should we all go?
    And one more thing, I, as a Russian, still believe that the national. the majority should also have rights. Otherwise, God forbid, offending a Russian from the Caucasus is incitement, but to say that you are Russian is all, here we come (((
  78. 0
    4 November 2017 07: 20
    “Even if you are carrying a complete blizzard, carry it with the appearance that it is the ultimate truth.”
  79. +1
    4 November 2017 07: 32
    However, what interesting, intelligent and polite people discuss the problems of Russian nationalism. wink
    Moreover, everyone beats around the bush and cannot call a spade a spade.

    Dear supporters of the “Russia for Russians” movement. Would it be difficult for you to briefly describe your vision of the country, laws and principles of government in which Russian people wink are they in the position they deserve?
    1. +3
      4 November 2017 07: 53
      Dear Taskha, I think that you are slightly misinterpreting the majority (some are not counted), the problem is that again there is a imbalance, as in the USSR, again the donors are Russians, but they do not have the right to declare their nationality, but why -the republics within Russia have more rights than others
      I can give you a personal example. Take children's sports, hockey, for example. I’ll tell you that parents of children from Tatarstan and Bashkiria, in principle, do not know how much uniforms and tournaments cost, however, parents from other regions of the Urals Federal District know, can you tell me why?
      And I can also say that while there are more than half of Russians in Ufa, there are practically none of them in the leadership of the republic, the same thing in Kazan, I don’t even think we need to talk about the Caucasus...
      Again, the problem is perhaps we, the Russians, have an annual Miss Tatar competition, one might say, it’s our own fault, why don’t you hold your own, but I’m afraid that if somewhere they want to organize a Miss Russian competition, they will not be able to avoid the infamous articles for incitement...
      1. 0
        4 November 2017 09: 37
        again the donors are Russians, but do not have the right to declare their nationality, but for some reason the republics within Russia have more rights than the rest

        Statements of this kind require evidence.
        parents from other regions of the Urals Federal District know, can you tell me why?

        I won't tell you. Where am I and where is the Urals? You know better on the spot. If you know the answer to your question, write. If you don't know, start figuring it out...
        if somewhere they want to organize a Miss Russian competition

        I hope that it won’t come to such competitions in Russia. Unless the number of people who consider themselves Russians is equal to the number of people who consider themselves Tatars. Here's a question for you - is there an opportunity for a Russian girl to take part in the Miss Tatar contest? And why?
        An interesting example: “The Miss Russia – Australia – 2017 competition (Miss Russia AU-2017) is held among the Russian population of Australia and introduces the indigenous population to the culture and way of life of representatives of other cultures living in the country. Russian-speaking girls over 18 years old are allowed to participate in the competition from the countries of the former USSR, or having Russian roots and living in Australia. There are no external restrictions for participants."
  80. +3
    4 November 2017 08: 17
    And the last thing I will say in this debate is that I am very happy for Grozny, Kazan, Ufa, honestly, but what should Chelyabinsk, Omsk (they say, the most depressive million-strong city, especially after the transfer of the legal entity of Sibneft to St. Petersburg), Irkutsk, the entire Far East , finally...
    Please do not write about the genius of local authorities...
    1. 0
      4 November 2017 09: 42
      I am also very happy for the residents of some regions. That is, the essence of the issue is the uneven distribution of budget funds?
      And, by the way, residents of Kamchatka receive a considerable share of subsidies... Where do they go?
    2. +1
      4 November 2017 13: 47
      Quote: Shapaklyak
      Omsk (they say the most depressive million-plus city, especially after the transfer of the legal entity of Sibneft to St. Petersburg)

      For Omsk I will say this, in Omsk there is an increase... an increase in the number of people of non-Russian appearance, perhaps that’s all...
  81. +3
    4 November 2017 08: 59
    Holy theme. It must someday be resolved once and for all.
    Russians - race or culture? If race, then what about the Russians who live abroad? What about Ukrainians and Belarusians? We are genetically the same, but culturally different. And sometimes a Jew in Russia cannot be distinguished from a Russian. And if only one parent is Russian, then the child is Russian? But what about the fact that the Russians were fused from a bunch of small tribes? But what about from the point of view of a foreigner - if you are from Russia, then you are Russian? What about our definition - if he speaks Russian, thinks in Russian, then he is Russian? How do we distinguish a Chinese foreigner from a Yakut compatriot? - in language and general culture. So it turns out that there is a struggle between cultures more than races and Russian - first of all, culture, language, worldview. And if someone really wants more Russian Slavic appearance, then he should make them himself. Our wealth lies in genetic diversity, our strength lies in united culture - can this really be so?
    1. +1
      4 November 2017 13: 49
      Quote: Archon
      But what about the fact that the Russians were fused from a bunch of small tribes?

      Just like any other nationality. But at a certain moment they fused, at a certain moment differences from all other nationalities and similarities within their own appeared.
    2. 0
      4 November 2017 13: 50
      Quote: Archon
      first of all, culture, language, worldview

      No, it's nonsense.

      All this can only be inherent in someone who is also quite Russian by birth; everything else is demagoguery.
  82. +8
    4 November 2017 09: 12
    It’s just a Russophobic article - it’s disgusting to read. All our achievements and national historical leaders are again presented as narrow-minded semi-fascist subhumans. No Russian in Russia has ever shown ignorance towards other nationalities. the opposite mostly happened. We have a multinational country - all peoples are equal and united - this is our strength and this must be protected. But at the same time, the Russian people also have the right to their identity on an equal basis with other peoples and to their events, congresses and holidays. But as soon as you try to get together about something Russian, an attack and accusations of Nazism and almost fascism immediately begin - although this has nothing to do with the infringement of the rights of any other nationalities.
  83. +5
    4 November 2017 09: 16
    Elena Zakharova and others. From the point of view of science (genetics and cybernetics)
    A person’s behavior in a given situation is determined by his brain.

    The brain is a neural network.
    The response of a neural network is determined by algorithms and learning patterns and not by the element base.
    Therefore, MORE THAN 90% OF OBJECTIVELY OBSERVED HUMAN BEHAVIOR is determined by NOT his genetics and the environment in which he grew up.
    Genetically, the difference between a Jew and a Russian is significantly less than 1%, that is, against the background of environmental influences, this is noise. Moreover, the vast majority of people have more than 1% admixture of other nations.

    It follows from this that nationality is determined precisely by spirit (mentality, culture, etc.) and not by genetics. And yes, I will disappoint you not only with the Russians, but also with the Jews, the French, etc.

    And now from a political point of view. There is no better way to destroy an empire than to launch nationalist processes in it. And it’s best to do this with the core nation. Thus, Russian nationalism is the most dangerous weapon against Russia. There is no doubt who is Russia's enemy А YOU AND YOU ARE LIKE AENEMY GENTS (And it doesn’t matter at all for the State Department’s money or in secret), HAZARDOUS AND MUST BE NEUTRALIZED.
    1. +1
      4 November 2017 13: 52
      Quote: bk316
      Elena Zakharova and others. From the point of view of science (genetics and cybernetics)
      A person’s behavior in a given situation is determined by his brain.
      The brain is a neural network.
      The response of a neural network is determined by algorithms and learning patterns and not by the element base.
      Therefore, MORE THAN 90% OF THE OBJECTIVELY OBSERVED BEHAVIOR OF A HUMAN IS DETERMINED NOT by his genetics, but by the environment in which he grew up.
      Genetically, the difference between a Jew and a Russian is significantly less than 1%, that is, against the background of environmental influences, this is noise. Moreover, the vast majority of people have more than 1% admixture of other nations.
      It follows from this that nationality is determined precisely by spirit (mentality, culture, etc.) and not by genetics. And yes, I will disappoint you not only with the Russians, but also with the Jews, the French, etc.
      And now from a political point of view. There is no better way to destroy an empire than to launch nationalist processes in it. And it’s best to do this with the core nation. Thus, Russian nationalism is the most dangerous weapon against Russia. There is no doubt who is the enemy of Russia AND YOU AND YOUR LIKE ARE AGENTS OF THE ENEMY (and it doesn’t matter at all for the State Department’s money or in secret), DANGEROUS AND SUBJECT TO NEUTRALIZATION.

      Bullshit from the first to the last word, conclusions of logic from a parallel universe.
      1. +4
        4 November 2017 22: 20
        conclusions of logic from a parallel universe.

        Logic is universal, that is, it is the same in all universes good
  84. +1
    4 November 2017 09: 41
    Don't worry while it's quiet, says popular wisdom.
    But we must fight for Russia without rudeness* and boors. And at all levels, starting with people who are ready to sell their own mother, no matter what nationality she is, for a bowl of dollars or something else “hearty.”
    ___________
    * Rudeness is a type of human behavior characterized by a rude, arrogant and harsh way of communication. A person uses the tactics of rudeness in communication in order to clearly demonstrate his superiority, higher social status, while realizing his complete impunity.
  85. 0
    4 November 2017 10: 08
    Quote: Peace
    Respect all over the world only those who respect themselves. And lives better than others.

    Respect still needs to be earned. Self-respect without regard to how others treat you, the easiest assessment of your own
    complexes. You also need to see what kind of people respect you.
  86. +3
    4 November 2017 10: 25
    Why was the article written? "Warm up" the electorate? So to speak, drive a wedge and conduct another test of the people for a surge of emotions? Everyone and everyone knows perfectly well who is who. There is no need to boil the brown substance, it will not smell. Earn ratings on something else.
  87. +1
    4 November 2017 10: 46
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    I can, but it does not concern you.

    Tove Jansson described your ancestors long ago
  88. +6
    4 November 2017 10: 48
    Everything seems to be true, but this does not make it any easier for the population of central Russia. With this policy of “brotherly peoples”, Russians always find themselves deprived and bear the greatest sacrifices. This is a cunning political move, designed to appeal to the generosity of the people.
  89. +3
    4 November 2017 10: 52
    Let me disagree with the point of view described in the article. I myself am Armenian, and I trust this film more......
    1. +4
      4 November 2017 11: 06
      and in general this article was written on the basis of myths invented in Western civilization......
  90. +5
    4 November 2017 11: 49
    “Russian is a state of mind” - the words of a typical non-Russian.
    1. +1
      4 November 2017 14: 18
      Quote: CorvusCoraks
      words of a typical non-Russian.

      Yah..
      People

      This approach is based on the fact that people is a term in the science of ethnography (Greek folk description) and is understood as an ethnos, that is, a group of people of common origin (blood relationship), which, in addition, has several unifying characteristics: language, culture, territory, religion and historical past. That is, a people is a sociocultural phenomenon, implying that one can be born or become Russian, and the concept of “Russian” is influenced by learned ethnographers, anthropologists, historians and cultural scientists.

      Pros: the clearest criteria related to the concept of “Russian” relate specifically to this approach; manipulative and speculative influence on Russians is very limited.

      Disadvantages: this approach complicates the processes of governing the country for the state aristocracy, as it requires financially costly measures to maintain the number of Russians and respect the elements of their clear identity.
      http://iamruss.ru/who-are-russian-seven-answers/
      If we respect the interests of the Russians themselves, then we need something universal and independent of the current historical period, the ruling regime and the political situation.
      Since the speech on behalf of the Russians by those who do not belong to them and simply mimic them is a moment of their destruction and destruction, as a unique historical fact.
      And that is why at the head of all the Nazis in Russia there are little people who have no relation to the Russians themselves.
      Leaders of Russian nationalists do not believe that the chairman of the banned DPNI, Alexander Belov (Potkin), “laundered” billions of dollars. (His parents were very pious people. His father, Lev Moiseevich Katz, taught at a cheder - a Jewish religious school. His mother, Maria Abramovna Kogan, was a housewife.)
      On this charge, he was detained on Wednesday and placed in a detention center on Petrovka, 38. The investigation believes that the nationalist managed the assets of the Kazakh BTA Bank on behalf of its former owner Mukhtar Ablyazov, who is now under arrest in France, and stole up to $5 billion from depositors .
      Cool...well, very Russian...
      Leaders of the "Russian nationalists"
      https://general-ivanov.livejournal.com/1043252.ht
      ml
      So think about it, Russian people, what kind of Hamelin whistlers are you following?
      1. +2
        5 November 2017 10: 34
        So think about it, Russian people, what kind of Hamelin whistlers are you following?


        badens1111. Why is there such a mess in your head? In your posts you mix everything together and don’t hear your interlocutors, you constantly distort and divert the conversation away from the topic under discussion.
        I’ll explain it to you again as a primary school student.
        The discussion is about who the Russians are as a nation and who should be included among them. You constantly claim that there is NO such Russian nation, that this is simply a “state of mind.” Without any compelling arguments to substantiate your position, you are trying to label the very DISCUSSION of the Russian question as “Russian nationalism.” Hence all your inappropriate research about who heads the marginal nationalist groups. What does nationalism and a person’s self-awareness have to do with it, that he belongs to the Russian nation? In your opinion, it turns out that if a person considers himself Russian, by definition he prays for this Belov (Potkin)? Stop pretending, you're not that stupid...
        1. 0
          5 November 2017 21: 59
          Quote: E_V_N
          Why is there such a mess in your head?

          You turn your porridge in a pot, it burns.
          Quote: E_V_N
          You constantly claim that there is NO such Russian nation, that this is simply a “state of mind.”

          Where did I say that, Mr. liar?
          Quote: E_V_N
          Without any compelling arguments to substantiate your position, you are trying to label the very DISCUSSION of the Russian question as “Russian nationalism”

          He gave sufficiently compelling reasons, the answers sane from your company of rabid national democrats, he did not read, screaming, screaming and nothing more.
          Quote: E_V_N
          Hence all your inappropriate research about who heads the marginal nationalist groups. What does nationalism and a person’s self-awareness have to do with it, that he belongs to the Russian nation? In your opinion, it turns out that if a person considers himself Russian, by definition he prays for this Belov (Potkin)? Stop pretending, you're not that stupid...

          Don’t play on words, it was said specifically, addressed to specific scribblers and indicated to whom such scribblers pray, and how brainless you have to be to fall for the falsehood performed by your entire nationalist party.
          Quote: E_V_N
          Stop pretending, you're not that stupid...

          I appreciated your level, so much so that I realized that you are unlucky that you consider yourself smarter than others.
  91. +2
    4 November 2017 11: 52
    Varyag_0711,
    She’s right, I know English quite well, but I never consider myself an Englishman....
  92. +2
    4 November 2017 11: 59
    Another Russophobic abomination.
  93. +1
    4 November 2017 12: 21
    Quote: Sergey Krotov
    What to suck out of the gnarled finger of definition? There are dictionaries, so read what a nation, ethnicity, nationality is. nationality, people. And then you decide what valuable thing you have to tell the people, besides what you read in the dictionary?

    So you should read dictionaries before lumping together synonyms.
  94. +4
    4 November 2017 12: 41
    Is Russian a state of mind??? Go to your beloved Israel or build a scoop in your hut and live with this opinion yourself, Russians are a nation whose opinion and decision has been and will be decisive.
    In VO, there are known fools who worship the Jewish yoke that occupied Russia, name at least one Russian head of the party (I’m silent about the nationality of the president and prime minister), show me Russians on TV, and why are there no Russians on the Forebs lists??? They also say that we are paranoid. Russia is for russians!!! There is such a nation!!!
  95. +4
    4 November 2017 12: 52
    A great empire cannot be mononational. Only if we understand nationality as a political concept. Otherwise there will be chaos, confusion and vacillation, national strife, etc. No people voluntarily wants to be the slave of another, especially in the 21st century.
  96. +4
    4 November 2017 12: 52
    The author "Elena Zakharova" promotes Nazi ideas. It was along this path that the globalizers led the German nation after the national catastrophe of 1918, and it ended in an even greater disaster. Part of the Russian nation in “Ukraine” has already taken this same path and is carrying them along with them. A bad example is contagious. History teaches that it teaches nothing.
    1. +1
      4 November 2017 14: 01
      Quote: iouris
      The author "Elena Zakharova" promotes Nazi ideas.

      You captured the style and way of thinking of this madam wonderfully.
  97. +2
    4 November 2017 13: 02
    Conclusion of the article: Russians in spirit saved Russia, Russians essentially sat at home and waited for them to be saved))) The Turks attacked, Suvorov came out and told everyone, thanks to his Tatar origin, the French - Barclay and Kutuzov, Stalin saved them from the Germans. I think everything here is much more complicated to explain everything in one article and with such a “deep” understanding. The author forgot to mention Zhukov, he seemed to be Russian, he forgot the millions of Russians who, despite everything, won in the first place. The Russian spirit is not
  98. 0
    4 November 2017 13: 05
    Quote: Altona
    I’m watching TV, there are a lot of “Russian” people with “simple Ryazan faces” who speak purely Russian. I can name the names of these "Smolensk, Kursk, Novgorod, Kiev and other" boys, sometimes the girls Zhirnovsky, Pozner, Amnuel, Sobchak, Siluanov, Nabiulina, Kudrin, Zheleznyak. There are purely Russians like Kovtun and Karasev. And there are many different ones. And all for Russia "cry."


    I forgot Solovyov with his Kedmins, Satanovskys, Zlobins, and if you go deeper then add about the leaders of our parties, both opposition and main ones (I don’t know Mironov’s nationality), but our president is not one of them???
  99. +1
    4 November 2017 13: 28
    Quote: tasha
    However, what interesting, intelligent and polite people discuss the problems of Russian nationalism. wink
    Moreover, everyone beats around the bush and cannot call a spade a spade.

    Dear supporters of the “Russia for Russians” movement. Would it be difficult for you to briefly describe your vision of the country, laws and principles of government in which Russian people wink are they in the position they deserve?


    Well, finally, out of the whole crowd of Russophobes, there was one who was worthy of asking a specific question: - “... briefly describe your vision of the country, laws and principles of government in which Russian people occupy the position they deserve?” Good question! Specific. I will try to answer you, Mr. “taskha,” just as specifically.
    So, first thing. The Russian people, in FACT, are historically a state-forming ethnic group. Actually, the country got its name from the self-name of the Russians. However, legally it (the Russian ethnic group) does not have any legal personality. Legally, there are no Russian people at all.
    From the point of view of nationally minded Russian patriots, this is not fair and this injustice must be eliminated. The Constitution of Russia should enshrine the norm that the Russian people in Russia are state-forming. This is not about infringing on the rights of any other indigenous nationalities living in Russia.
    All indigenous peoples of Russia have their own national-ethnic state formations. Even the Jews have a Jewish Autonomous Region. Russians do not have their own national state. Not yet, but it will definitely, definitely happen.
    Second. What position should Russians occupy in Russia? Nothing special. They must occupy the same position as the titular nations occupy in all, without exception, former Union republics and other sovereign national states.
    They should occupy the same position as Jews in Israel, like Estonians in Estonia, like Uzbeks in Uzbekistan, like Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, like Georgians in Georgia, and so on. Note that all of the countries listed are recognized as democratic and civilized. We can afford to follow their example.
    In addition, all these countries are by no means monoethnic. All of them are multinational in composition. However, no one is bothered by the position that their titular nations occupy in these countries.
    And finally, third. I think the growth of such a phenomenon as Russophobia is obvious to everyone. This phenomenon is very dangerous. This is the same as anti-Semitism for Jews. It is necessary to take into account Israel's experience in the fight against anti-Semitism. It is necessary to fight Russophobia as uncompromisingly as Israel fights anti-Semitism.
    It is necessary to declare Russophobia a grave criminal offense, introduce a corresponding article into the criminal code and punish any Russophobic manifestations in the strictest possible manner. Up to the highest measure. But, only without shedding blood. Better like Vlasova or Krasnova.
    That's all. Without extremism, without “Nazism”, within the constitutional and legal framework. Everything is like in exemplary, democratic countries. I hope, Mr. “taskha”, I specifically answered your specific question?
    1. +2
      4 November 2017 13: 59
      Quote: Evdokim E
      So, first thing. The Russian people, in FACT, are historically a state-forming ethnic group. Actually, the country got its name from the self-name of the Russians.

      Yeah, I see...so there is a country called RUSSIA, but the Russians don’t? Why are you promoting stupidity?

      Quote: Evdokim E
      All indigenous peoples of Russia have their own national-ethnic state formations. Even the Jews have a Jewish Autonomous Region. Russians do not have their own national state. Not yet, but it will definitely, definitely happen.

      It’s even more interesting, well, let’s start, GEOGRAPHICALLY where will you locate your desired “Russia for Russians”, within Moscow and 101 km? That’s it?
      This means that if this is the case, then the question of the existence of a country called RUSSIA in general instantly loses its relevance, because having separated from RUSSIA, some “Russians” create something absolutely unviable, well, just like Sakharov dreamed - one hundred ten republics are needed...

      Quote: Evdokim E
      They should occupy the same position as Jews in Israel, like Estonians in Estonia, like Uzbeks in Uzbekistan, like Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, like Georgians in Georgia, and so on. Note that all of the countries listed are recognized as democratic and civilized. We can afford to follow their example.

      Well, if your regimes of ethnocracy and direct Nazism, as in the Baltics, are called democracies, then build something similar to the Saudis, with a variation on the theme of “Orthodox Wahhabism.” Who will really give you this rotten idea to bring to the masses? Your Maltsev has already fled abroad , what an entertainer..

      Quote: Evdokim E
      And finally, third. I think the growth of such a phenomenon as Russophobia is obvious to everyone. This phenomenon is very dangerous. This is the same as anti-Semitism for Jews. It is necessary to take into account Israel's experience in the fight against anti-Semitism. It is necessary to fight Russophobia as uncompromisingly as Israel fights anti-Semitism.

      Well... you can immediately see who is behind the “Hussian nationalists”, that’s exactly the Potkins themselves... well, it’s just the second act of a cheap melodrama, the first, the tragedy of Ukraine taught you nothing.
      Quote: Evdokim E
      It is necessary to declare Russophobia a grave criminal offense, introduce a corresponding article into the criminal code and punish any Russophobic manifestations in the strictest possible manner. Up to the highest measure. But, only without shedding blood. Better like Vlasova or Krasnova.

      This point is perhaps the only one that has at least some reasonable foundation; this is how you buy people’s attention, and everything else from you leads to the destruction of the country.
      Quote: Evdokim E
      That's all. Without extremism, without “Nazism”, within the constitutional and legal framework. Everything is like in exemplary, democratic countries.

      Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are exemplary reserves of ethnocracy and Nazism, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are ethnocracy, Kazakhstan is balancing barely on the brink.
      No, we don’t need your patterns, they are rotten. They lead to decay and discord in the country.
      1. +1
        5 November 2017 10: 50
        Quote: badens1111
        Quote: Evdokim E
        All indigenous peoples of Russia have their own national-ethnic state formations. Even the Jews have a Jewish Autonomous Region. Russians do not have their own national state. Not yet, but it will definitely, definitely happen.

        It’s even more interesting, well, let’s start, GEOGRAPHICALLY where will you locate your desired “Russia for Russians”, within Moscow and 101 km? That’s it?
        This means that if this is the case, then the question of the existence of a country called RUSSIA in general instantly loses its relevance, because having separated from RUSSIA, some “Russians” create something absolutely unviable, well, just like Sakharov dreamed of - one hundred ten republics are needed....

        There is no need to drag Sakharov in here; they found me a genius and a Russian nationalist.
        And regarding your GEOGRAPHICAL, it’s not worth “breaking Vanka” here, what does Moscow and 101 km have to do with it? In the Russian Federation there are national entities, republics, national districts and national regions. And everything else should be the Russian Republic, divided into regions as now or provinces, in connection with the large territory of the Russian Republic.
        1. 0
          5 November 2017 22: 02
          Quote: E_V_N
          The Russian Federation has national formations, republics, national districts and national regions. And everything else should be the Russian Republic, divided into regions as now or provinces, in connection with the large territory of the Russian Republic.

          Schoolboy, march to geography lessons to learn an ethnographic map of territories. Maybe then it will dawn on you that your entire “Russian republic” is exactly within Moscow and 101 km.
    2. +2
      5 November 2017 06: 20
      Well, finally, out of the whole crowd of Russophobes, there was one

      Thank you, noticed. Why did you write me down as a Russophobe? And so, in passing?
      And again, you got off with general words.
      The user badens1111 has already answered you, so I won’t write much

      The Constitution of Russia should enshrine the norm that the Russian people in Russia are state-forming.


      The Constitution is a document. By what criteria will it be determined who is Russian and who is not? Will the state-forming people be assigned responsibilities? Or will he be given some special rights? Which?

      What position should Russians occupy in Russia? Nothing special. They must occupy the same position as the titular nations occupy in all, without exception, former Union republics and other sovereign national states. However, no one is bothered by the position that their titular nations occupy in these countries.

      Words again... As much as possible... More specific, more specific. In Ukraine, there is a titular nation with special rights... Doesn’t it bother anyone?

      Russophobia is a grave criminal offense

      Please give some examples of such a crime. What can they be punished for?

      I once met a “nationally-minded Russian patriot”. “I am a patriot! I am a Russian nationalist! And in general, my grandfather is German”...

      A nationalist for me is someone who makes his people better. And for this he does not need to prove that other peoples are worse... And even more so, demand any special rights...
      1. +2
        5 November 2017 11: 12
        Quote: tasha
        Well, finally, out of the whole crowd of Russophobes, there was one

        Thank you, noticed. Why did you write me down as a Russophobe? And so, in passing?
        And again, you got off with general words.
        The user badens1111 has already answered you, so I won’t write much

        badens1111 here, as always, plays pseudo-scientific thimbles “I want to twirl and twirl to confuse.” Personally, I don’t consider badens1111’s opus the answer.
        I consider it wrong that in the heat of polemics Evdokim E called you a “Russophobe”, at least your position is not yet clear.
        Evdokim E, as you asked, answered you exactly THESIS, but you are now unhappy that there is not enough specifics. Decide how to answer.

        Quote: tasha
        The Constitution of Russia should enshrine the norm that the Russian people in Russia are state-forming.


        The Constitution is a document. By what criteria will it be determined who is Russian and who is not? Will the state-forming people be assigned responsibilities? Or will he be given some special rights? Which?

        Where did you get the idea that the constitution should define who is considered Russian?
        The constitution must state that the Russian people have the same rights as all peoples living on the territory of the Russian Federation and have the right to a national Russian territorial entity. And it turns out strange, we have the Russian Federation, the Tatars, the Chechens... and so on... there are republics. but there is no republic of the most numerous people, the Russian Republic.
        1. +1
          5 November 2017 11: 45
          Evdokim E, as you asked, answered you exactly THESIS, but you are now unhappy that there is not enough specifics. Decide how to answer.


          Thesis is short and to the point. Re-read Evdokim's comment... Is this relevant?

          Since you have taken upon yourself to answer for Evdokim, here is a question for you.

          Now the Constitution of our country says:
          Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. Recognition, observance and protection of human and citizen's rights and freedoms is the duty of the state.
          The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
          What does state-forming mean? - Constituting the basis of the state. That is, according to your logic, in order for a Russian to feel like the foundation of the country, he needs to read about this in the Constitution? Wow... I, for example, don’t need it. This is my country...

          The Constitution is the basis for other laws. Think further...

          National Russian territorial entity... Within what boundaries? And in how many years will this Russian republic fall apart into Vyatichi, Murom and Novgorod residents?
          Russians have an entire country - the Russian Federation. What are you missing?
        2. +1
          5 November 2017 22: 05
          Quote: E_V_N
          And it turns out strange, we have the Russian Federation, the Tatars, the Chechens... and so on... there are republics. but there is no republic of the most numerous people, the Russian Republic.

          Mr. liar, are you again, after skipping fifth grade geography and ethnography lessons, spouting heresy?
  100. 0
    4 November 2017 14: 06
    Quote: tasha
    again the donors are Russians, but do not have the right to declare their nationality, but for some reason the republics within Russia have more rights than the rest

    Statements of this kind require evidence.

    Well, go to Kazan, the same Grozny, and then to Irkutsk, Omsk, Chelyabinsk, you’ll see everything for yourself
    parents from other regions of the Urals Federal District know, can you tell me why?

    I won't tell you. Where am I and where is the Urals? You know better on the spot. If you know the answer to your question, write. If you don't know, start figuring it out...

    What is there to understand, that money is siphoned out of the regions, and the especially privileged are left in their places, and they are free to equip their own from small to large?

    if somewhere they want to organize a Miss Russian competition

    I hope that it won’t come to such competitions in Russia. Unless the number of people who consider themselves Russians is equal to the number of people who consider themselves Tatars. Here's a question for you - is there an opportunity for a Russian girl to take part in the Miss Tatar contest? And why?
    An interesting example: “The Miss Russia – Australia – 2017 competition (Miss Russia AU-2017) is held among the Russian population of Australia and introduces the indigenous population to the culture and way of life of representatives of other cultures living in the country. Russian-speaking girls over 18 years old are allowed to participate in the competition from the countries of the former USSR, or having Russian roots and living in Australia. There are no external restrictions for participants."


    rest no comment

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"