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"Courier" will deliver to the addressee that which is beyond the reach of Iskander




Russia has an instant and truly mirror - by definition, the Supreme Commander - a response to a possible US withdrawal from the Soviet-American Agreement on the Destruction of Intermediate-Range Ballistic Missiles (signed in 1987 and entered into force on 1 on June 1988), " To the military-industrial courier "a source working in the rocket and space industry.

“If the Americans return to deploying infantry ballistic missiles in Europe, as it was before the implementation of the agreement, this will mean that the flight time of American ballistic missiles to Russian strategic facilities in the European part of the country will be reduced to seven to ten minutes,” the expert recalled. According to him, we are not talking about American ground-based KR, with which it is theoretically possible to charge anti-missile launchers deployed in Eastern Europe. Most likely we are talking about the ballistic missile system, which they used in violation of the INF Treaty as target missiles in testing the missile defense system. Several dozen launches of such missiles were carried out, testing was underway at the same time, and now nothing prevents them from being used as a striking means. Russia has a mirrored answer to such a threat: it is enough to deploy appropriate weapons of destruction in the Arctic region, from where the flight time to American strategic targets will be approximately the same. The costs for this will be minimal, especially if you use island territories, for example, Kotelny Island, where recently one of the four tactical groups of the Northern fleet.

Speaking about the technical component of Russia's possible response, the source suggested recalling the compact solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) 15Ж59 "Courier" (according to NATO classification - SS-X-26) developed in the USSR, which was supposed to travel around the country in a standard standard container : its length was only 11,2 meters, and weight - 15 tons. There have been several successful launches of this rocket. But on October 6 1991, the project was terminated as a result of "mutual agreements with the United States to stop the development of light-class ICBMs."

There is every opportunity to quickly return to this development of the Moscow Thermal Engineering Institute, and at a new technological level, the source said. Moreover, formally the project does not contradict the agreement on MRBD.

As for the response to a possible withdrawal of the United States from the INF Treaty by the deployment of an additional number of Iskander operational tactical missiles in the Kaliningrad region, “this is not a step that the United States will fear. "Iskander," even with the range attributed to him by the Americans, will never hit objects in the United States. " At the same time, “our response to Trump” using the heirs of “Courier” is characterized by the multiplicity of basing. It is physically impossible to calculate exactly the shipping container inside which the rocket is located among thousands like it, especially in the vast spaces of the Russian North. It can be placed on any suitable sites of the Arctic islands, protected by fighters of the tactical groups of the Northern Fleet, shuttle navigated along the Northern Sea Route, be on any wintering grounds for Russian polar explorers.

“It is clear that nobody needs it, and first of all Russia. But if the Americans take the first step, they will reap what they have sown. They will receive operation “Anadyr” in a modern format, ”the interlocutor of the Military Industrial Courier recalled, recalling the operation to transfer to Cuba during the Caribbean crisis the Russian medium-range ballistic missiles P-12 and P-14 with nuclear charges.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 4 November 2017 04: 21
    +4
    The plans are good, but the attacker is always ahead of his victim, as in sports. The Americans can instantly reload their missile defense installations in Europe on the drums and strike. And what should I do? I need to prepare now, if not yesterday, not to wait for the "partners" to put Russia before the fact. Besides the Arctic, are there any other options? Cuba for example?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 4 November 2017 05: 02
      +2
      Quote: andrewkor
      . Americans can instantly reload their missile defense systems in Europe and strike

      and you think they won’t get an answer? will cover the whole of immense Russia with one salvo?
      Quote: andrewkor
      You need to prepare now, if not yesterday
      and here we are precisely "yesterday" and are preparing, and not now or tomorrow ... yes
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 4 November 2017 06: 03
        0
        Dear Dedok, Thank you for quoting my humble remark and no matter how pleased you are, and what annoys you in it, you only confirm my theses with your comments. I would be very grateful if you would try to answer my question posed in In my opinion, this, in my opinion, would be a more useful waste of time and mind. Or do you have no answers to this question? Well, I’ll wait for more competent VO experts, I have plenty of time ahead.
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 4 November 2017 06: 39
      +1
      Quote: andrewkor
      Americans can instantly reload their missile defense systems in Europe and strike.

      And what’s there for such missiles installed in the European missile defense system? SM-3 or what? and how will they redefine it? And most importantly, where will they reach? laughing The first such missile launched will be called the "European star", and without Europe, America itself will be bent without coercion.
      Quote: andrewkor
      You need to prepare now, if not yesterday,

      Well, yes, the Ministry of Defense is sitting dumber than you lol
      1. lwxx
        lwxx 4 November 2017 07: 25
        +1
        There is every opportunity to quickly return to this development of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, and at a new technological level Here's something tells me that they lie and not childish. Especially if you remember how things are going with the restoration of the BZHRK and Tu -160.
        1. Moore
          Moore 4 November 2017 13: 02
          +2
          And if you think about the gap between development and mass production - it’s generally sad.
      2. andrewkor
        andrewkor 4 November 2017 09: 00
        +1
        Universal missile defense launchers reload on Tomahawks, even the Russian General Staff spoke out about this threat. And where did I find the Russian Ministry of Defense stupid than myself, expressing concern about the threat? Starry Europe will come anyway, it's a pity that their politicians do not understand this. strike on Russia and beckons amerskie strategists!
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 4 November 2017 15: 52
          0
          Quote: andrewkor
          Universal ABM launchers reload on Tomahawks

          Even better)) they fly at the speed of a passenger plane, for example, from Bulgaria it takes him almost an hour to get to the border while he is flying, Poplar M has time to fly to Fashington, back and forth))) and how they get lost ... and generally fly by, as the Americans recently demonstrated to us))). Generally not an option. In short, they will launch the Tomahawk, get a mace, but do they need it?
    3. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 4 November 2017 10: 56
      +1
      We can get a lot of things from the storerooms. You just have to look. The Pioneer missile system RSD-10, for example. That was removed in 1988, like the tickling underbelly of the USA complex. Https: //topwar.ru/57481-raketnyy-komplek
      s-rsd-10-pioner.html
  2. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 4 November 2017 07: 22
    +3
    From the Russian Arctic to the United States is still further than from Europe to us. Moreover, in Alaska there is a ground-based sectoral missile defense. sad

    But it’s not easier to turn utilized submarines into an analogue of bottom bombs, flooding them in shallow water in neutral waters, near the United States. They can not even be charged at 100 megatons, but at a thousand.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 4 November 2017 08: 50
      +1
      Here, here I am about the variety of answers to America!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 November 2017 11: 06
      +2
      And for a thousand. Yes, this would not only wash off the US coast, but our Far East and all the countries of the Pacific region.
      1. Sinbad
        Sinbad 4 November 2017 14: 24
        +1
        Only it will be indifferent to us, and the whole world too.
    3. AUL
      AUL 4 November 2017 21: 25
      +1
      But it’s not easier to turn utilized submarines into an analogue of bottom bombs, flooding them in shallow water in neutral waters, near the United States. They can not even be charged at 100 megatons, but at a thousand.
      Great idea! And better at 100500 MGtons! And immediately warn the mattresses where they laid it, and even better in advance, so it was easier for them to find and pick up. Excellent, deeply thought out and reasonable engineering idea! And how did our weirdoes from the MO not think of this?
    4. Leonid Dymov
      Leonid Dymov 4 November 2017 23: 53
      0
      A good idea. In general, the lion's share of missiles with nuclear shells should be located in the North Atlantic closer to the United States, naturally in neutral waters, especially in submarines. All this should explode in the event of a US attack on the Russian Federation, destroying NATO countries.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 23: 59
        +7
        Quote: Leonid Dymov
        A good idea

        The "idea" is stupid. Here, read smart people, purely for a change:
        Quote: Old26
        And there is no need to pay attention to the fact that regularly charges should be passed. So they flooded it in shallow water, then lifted it up, carried out the rules, though it is not known how it will be necessary to raise it, but for many it is nothing. Think of a boat with a displacement of 5-6 thousand tons to raise ...

        Quote: Leonid Dymov
        ... the lion's share of missiles with nuclear shells should be located in the North Atlantic closer to the USA, .. All this should explode in the event of a US attack on the Russian Federation, destroying NATO countries

        This ... NATO countries - this is Europe, basically ... And what the hell rockets to the Atlantic, then to fly back to Europe?
        I do not understand request
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 November 2017 09: 42
    +1
    Moreover, formally, the project does not contradict the agreement on the BRDS.
    Moreover, the deployment had to be done yesterday.
    the use of the Courier’s heirs is characterized by multivariate basing. It is physically impossible to calculate exactly the sea container inside which the rocket is located among thousands of similar ones, especially in the vast expanses of the Russian North.
    So we and Venezuela, go to Cuba. And for the sake of such a case, you can go to the Kuril Islands, and Kamchatka will be useful.
    Boldly introduce rockets into the brains of Glavnyukov! wink
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 4 November 2017 09: 52
      +6
      The article is perceived as an addition to yesterday’s "media: Russia can respond to the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty with the Courier missile."
      1. Vard
        Vard 4 November 2017 13: 59
        +2
        There is such a thing ... unacceptable damage ... One ... just one warhead will leave for example all of the United States without electricity ...
  4. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 4 November 2017 15: 58
    0
    I would not want to be a messenger, bringing bad news, but really identify these containers, and one of the ways is by the presence of protection. However, I think there are other technologies. The fact that this product must be used is a fact! But it is necessary to approach this more creatively!
  5. Old26
    Old26 4 November 2017 23: 45
    +1
    [quote = Jedi] The article is perceived as an addition to yesterday’s "media: Russia can respond to the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty with the Courier missile." [/ quote]
    This is not even a sequel. This is a copy of the same article, but by different authors.

    [quote = andrewkor] The plans are good, but the attacker is always ahead of his victim, as in sports. The Americans can instantly reload their missile defense systems in Europe on the drums and strike. And what should I do? I need to prepare now, if not yesterday, not to wait for the "partners" to put Russia before the fact. Besides the Arctic, are there any other options? Cuba for example? [/ quote]
    Instantly? How interesting. So the Americans got ahead of us and put telekinesis on the stream, But nothing that needs to have a lifting device (a crane with an outreach boom to a height of almost 15 meters? Then raise the "blank" of 1,5 tons to this height and lower it to the launch? And so 24 times .... Instantly, how about ... It’s good if they recharge 6 hours .. And from Romania it’s good if Ukraine-Russia flies to the border ....
    Arctic? Well, it's generally enchanting. This launcher in the Arctic will stick out, only the blind will not see it.
    Cuba? And the Cubans were interested in, do they need this hemorrhoids with missiles? This is not the euphoria of the early 60's

    [quote = SPACE] [quote = andrewkor] Americans can instantly recharge their missile defense systems in Europe on drums and strike. [/ quote]
    And what’s there for such missiles installed in the European missile defense system? SM-3 or what? and how will they redefine it? And most importantly, where will they reach? laughing The first such missile launched will be called the "European star", and without Europe, America itself will be bent without coercion.
    No, they also have ballistic target missiles, which in essence can be considered a medium-range missile. Here they are put in the launcher. And nothing that they are 15-17 meters long and 1,8-2 meters in diameter. But they can be shoved into the launch pad with a length of 6,5 meters and a diameter of 0,533 meters. If desired, "shove." With a hammer, chisel and some kind of mother

    [quote = lwxx]There is every opportunity to quickly return to this development of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, and at a new technological level Here's something tells me that they lie and not childish. Especially if you remember how things are going with the restoration of the BZHRK and Tu -160. [/ Quote]
    They lie. Especially when you consider that there was NOT ONE START-UP, it would be necessary not only to redesign the rocket itself, conduct a test cycle, and most importantly, re-launch the launch, work it out and put into production. (in Soviet times, it took about 10 years to develop the launcher. That is, "instantly" is about 10 years later. Well, at least 6 years later

    [quote = Mar. Thira] We can get a lot of things out of stockpiles. We just need to search. For example, the RSD-10 missile system Pioneer. They removed it in 1988 as a tickling US underbelly complex.https: //topwar.ru/ 57481-raketnyy-komplek
    s-rsd-10-pioner.html [/ quote]
    Pull out the Pioneer? Yes easily. We left 10 pieces of EMNIP as museum exhibits. Here is just one problem. "Pioneer" is a truncated "Poplar" (without one step). And now it is debited (30 pieces left)

    [quote = Gormengast] From the Russian Arctic to the United States is still further than from Europe to us. Moreover, in Alaska there is a ground-based sectoral missile defense. sad

    But it’s not easier to turn utilized submarines into an analogue of bottom bombs, flooding them in shallow water in neutral waters, near the United States. They can not even be charged at 100 megatons, but at a thousand. [/ Quote]
    Easily. It will wash away both America and our Pacific coast. And if this explosion also initiates the eruption of volcanoes - little will not seem to anyone. And there is no need to pay attention to the fact that regularly charges should be passed. So they flooded it in shallow water, then lifted it up, carried out the rules, though it is not known how it will be necessary to raise it, but for many it is nothing. Think of a boat with a displacement of 5-6 thousand tons to raise ....

    [quote] It is physically impossible to calculate exactly the sea container inside which the rocket is located among thousands of people like him, especially in the vast expanses of the Russian North. It can be located on any suitable site of the Arctic islands, guarded by fighters of the tactical groups of the Northern Fleet, shuttle through the Northern Sea Route, be on any wintering grounds for Russian polar explorers. [/ Quote]
    And the author knows that in order to run, it is necessary that
    1. The container was on top. It will be necessary to go up to the dockers and ask the container to be placed on top of the bottle.
    2. It will be necessary to supply several containers and communication vehicles (including tropospheric and space communications), a combat command vehicle, and a top-loader. Communication cars will look especially famously. It will be secret, already uzhos !!!!
    At the wintering of Russian polar explorers - in general a masterpiece. The whole complex of vehicles was delivered for the winter (most often it is an ice floe) .... They gave a small tanker with diesel fuel .... Simple and tasteful ....

    [quote = Vard] There is such a thing ... unacceptable damage ... One ... just one warhead will leave for example all of the United States without electricity ... [/ quote]
    Yah? You can find out what you consider unacceptable damage. The US Secretary of Defense counted (I don’t remember the megatonnage already), but I remember the quantity. About 60% of the industrial potential and 2/3 of the population. But how can this one warhead fly there?
  6. Old26
    Old26 5 November 2017 00: 00
    0
    Quote: Leonid Dymov
    A good idea. In general, the lion's share of missiles with nuclear shells should be located in the North Atlantic closer to the United States, naturally in neutral waters, especially in submarines. All this should explode in the event of a US attack on the Russian Federation, destroying NATO countries.

    How do you imagine that? Crew of suicide bombers? Or flood? And how will you explode? By cable? Raising boats for time limits is clever, very clever. The main thing is how many ships will be needed to lift ...
  7. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 5 November 2017 06: 14
    0
    The main explosive - lithium deuteride - does not need technical regulations, it is absolutely stable. Regulation is necessary for fuses. Alright fantasy - raise fuses, not boats from the bottom? But lithium can not even be enriched in 6 isotopes, and take natural. It just needs more, but you can put a lot of it into the submarine.

    Doomsday bombs should be placed in front of the Atlantic coast, then no tsunami will reach the Far East. The bookmarking operation can be performed as an unplanned, accidental flooding of a submarine while on duty. Mattresses will not be surprised - after all, all Russian boats are rotten. laughing

    The idea is crazy, and even somewhat hateful, but it is not at all bloodthirsty for “Status-6”, and it was launched by high-ranking officials - they should not be fools a priori.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 November 2017 11: 05
    0
    By the way, Belarusians prepared and drive the corresponding chassis in parades:
  9. Old26
    Old26 5 November 2017 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: Gormengast
    The main explosive - lithium deuteride - does not need technical regulations, it is absolutely stable. Regulation is necessary for fuses. In fantasy order - to raise fuses, not boats from the bottom? But lithium can not even be enriched in 6 isotopes, and take natural. It just needs more, but you can put a lot of it into the submarine.

    In fantasy order, you can think of anything, comrade. But in reality. What is the shallow water on the east coast and how is the east coast controlled by US Naval Defense Systems. Where there you can flood the submarine. Please note that you will have to carry it on a pontoon. Do not think that the Americans are so stupid that they will not pay attention to the exit from the territory of Russia of such a vessel, which is clearly not very fast ... This is the east.
    West Pacific Coast. If you look at a map of the depths, then sometimes the shallow water ends even in the United States. Again, dragging a boat on a ship across the Pacific Ocean is still that problem. But only the depths of flooding will be such that divers in light-diving equipment will not reach it, and in a hard sayander, sorry, they will not crawl into the hatch. Yes, and remove fuses from a charge - jewelry work. And to remove it in diving equipment, inside a de-energized boat, in the dark - .... you yourself understand that this is fantastic. In the order of fantasy - yes, but not in reality. But the nuclear charge must not be placed in a fantasy order, many talk about it as an alternative to missiles, that is, about reality

    Quote: Gormengast
    Doomsday bombs should be placed in front of the Atlantic coast, then no tsunami will reach the Far East. The bookmarking operation can be performed as an unplanned, accidental flooding of a submarine while on duty. Mattresses will not be surprised - after all, all Russian boats are rotten. laughing .

    Again the question is where? At what distance from the coast? And most importantly, what it will give. For some reason, they put an equal sign
    between a tsunami and a tidal wave from a nuclear explosion. It is unlikely to provoke a tsunami, they do not need megatons, but giga and terratons. Moreover, the nature of the tsunami is the lowering of the bottom, which causes a wave. As for the explosion, in the network you can find calculations. Offhand, I’ll say that at a distance of about 10 km a wave from a charge of 100 Mt will be 200-400 meters high, then at a distance of 200 km, namely, such a zone can be controlled by the US Navy - already 10 meters. You yourself understand that such a wave of damage, of course, will cause, but America will not be washed away, as some dream of it.
    Further. The firing range of our missiles is such that they do not need to approach the US coast at such a distance. This is nonsense. And he will say that everything is not in order, something is wrong with the boat. Other boats? We do not have many of them right now to drive them to the territory of the USA. They are more likely to be needed in the deployment areas of our missile carriers. Decommissioned is generally a masterpiece. Everything that is possible can be removed from them and it is possible to “deliver” them to the territory of the USA only on a pontoon vessel. not under its own power, with the crew on the "powder keg". But the dimensions of even 100 mt of Zayad will not be small. And how do you offer 1000 MT - not predictable at all. I’m not saying that before this the boat will have to be docked that it will not pass by the eyes of the Americans

    Quote: Gormengast
    The idea is crazy, and even somewhat hateful, but it is not at all bloodthirsty for “Status-6”, and it was launched by high-ranking officials - they should not be fools a priori.

    The idea of ​​a bomb boat is really crazy. And about the "Status". I am tormented by vague doubts that this is a fake, a desa launched specifically for "our sworn friends." I will not touch on the technical side of the problem. A “product” running at a speed of about 100 knots will already make noise so that only a deaf person will not hear it. The very presentation of this sensation smacks of "diso".
    You can start with the fact that planned (mandatory) surveys of government meetings, the Security Council and other things are carried out exclusively from one angle. And from a certain distance, if suddenly even the angle has shifted. Immediately, the operator was allowed to come close to the table and shoot almost over the shoulder of the general sitting at the table.
    Further. The material itself. A certain "presentation" is stitched with plastic springs. Typically, materials of this kind are carried out in accordance with the rules of secret records management. And here is such a top-secret development and on you - not a single fingerboard. Moreover, only one page is shown indicating other products, in particular EMNIP "Status-4" (that's for sure) and it seems "Status-2". Have you heard anything about these products? And between them there should be, if not a decade, then several years - that's for sure. Did our sworn friends broadcast anything about this? But they usually keep their finger on the pulse. I will not believe that the test of the same "Status-: 6", not to mention the "Status-4" passed so that they could not be noticed. There should have been an experimental vessel, there had to be some kind of a platform with a peculiar design, with large dimensions. Where is all this? So, I’m afraid to put a fly in the ointment in our barrel of honey, but many of these “fake” throws were simply caught
  10. Old26
    Old26 5 November 2017 15: 00
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    By the way, Belarusians prepared and drive the corresponding chassis in parades:

    This chassis is already in the "lunch 100 years." It's just that this is a modified version of the 7929 chassis with the index 79292. The difference from the first chassis is the wheel formula 10x10 instead of 10x8 for 7929. By the way, the chassis had a negative response from the management when developing the Courier complex
  11. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 6 November 2017 17: 32
    0
    MIT barely assembled cooperation in the mace. A courier is much cooler machine. They will not be able to revive him ... drinks
  12. Old26
    Old26 6 November 2017 18: 21
    0
    Quote: Dzafdet
    MIT barely assembled cooperation in the mace. A courier is much cooler machine. They will not be able to revive him ... drinks

    Well, the Bulava is still a sea rocket. But about the fact that they will not be able to revive - I do not agree. Cooperation in all their complexes worked and is working. I personally just, for example, do not see any need for this rocket. It’s better to let the heavier “Boundary” finish
  13. NordOst16
    NordOst16 7 November 2017 12: 57
    0
    Mmm ... only the price of such a rocket will be huge.
  14. Old26
    Old26 7 November 2017 16: 17
    0
    Quote: NordOst16
    Mmm ... only the price of such a rocket will be huge.

    What is it?
  15. alexxxz
    alexxxz 7 November 2017 17: 09
    0
    It seems to me that this is all - an empty competition in the length of genetics.
    The most dreary thing in our current situation is that even if an “H” signal comes from the SPRN, the operational duty officer will run for a report and ... that’s it. For I very much doubt that those people who have to click on the “same” button will dare to do so. Performers will be killed by multiple confirmations of the complexity of the system’s operation until they see firsthand the flash outside the window and the growing “fungus”. And then it will be too late. They have too many anchors outside our country! Too expensive can be a "strong-willed decision." And all the latest provocative actions against our country, in my opinion, are aimed at determining the iron content in the buttocks of our leaders.
    No! I do not call for a preemptive strike. For everyone will come "northern fur animal" after that. They also have their own SPRN there and their missiles will fly to us before our first warheads begin to fall on their objects.
  16. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 8 November 2017 19: 59
    0
    Quote: alexxxz
    It seems to me that this is all - an empty competition in the length of genetics.
    The most dreary thing in our current situation is that even if an “H” signal comes from the SPRN, the operational duty officer will run for a report and ... that’s it. For I very much doubt that those people who have to click on the “same” button will dare to do so. Performers will be killed by multiple confirmations of the complexity of the system’s operation until they see firsthand the flash outside the window and the growing “fungus”. And then it will be too late. They have too many anchors outside our country! Too expensive can be a "strong-willed decision." And all the latest provocative actions against our country, in my opinion, are aimed at determining the iron content in the buttocks of our leaders.
    No! I do not call for a preemptive strike. For everyone will come "northern fur animal" after that. They also have their own SPRN there and their missiles will fly to us before our first warheads begin to fall on their objects.

    There is such a Perimeter system, if they do not answer from the command center, but it detects signs of nuclear attacks, it will answer itself ...