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Spanish court arrests Catalan government, Pucdemon on the wanted list

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The judge of the Spanish National Court of Justice decided to detain eight essentially former members of the Catalan generals, including the former deputy head of the autonomous community’s government, Oriola Junqueras, before the substantive trial of the case, El Pais reports.


Only the former adviser of the Government of Catalonia on business, Santi Vila, who resigned on the eve of the independence of the Catalan parliament, will be able to remain free, subject to a deposit of 50 thousand euros.

Spanish court arrests Catalan government, Pucdemon on the wanted list


In addition, the prosecutor's office requested the court as a preliminary preventive measure to place under arrest without the right of release on the security of the former members of the Catalonian generality, who appeared to testify in court, except Santi Vila.

Also, the National Judicial Board of Spain decided to issue a warrant for the arrest of the dismissed head of Catalonia, Carles Puchdemon, and four former members of the regional government, who did not appear on Thursday to testify. This was reported by the newspaper La Vanguardia.

Prosecutors accuse former members of the autonomy government of rebellion, insurrection and embezzlement. According to Spanish law, only for incitement to revolt against the central authorities threatens 30 years in prison. Carles Puchdemon and four other members of the regional government who are currently in Belgium did not appear in Madrid to testify on Thursday.
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  1. Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 November 2017 19: 44 New
    10
    Well, that’s the end of independence. And it all started with hope.
    1. win
      win 2 November 2017 20: 01 New
      24
      The problem of independence is that it is just a slogan. No one seriously discussed or thought about what would happen to Catalonia in isolation from Spain and the European Union. Independence is a product of passions, not a reasoned project.
      1. Logall
        Logall 2 November 2017 20: 14 New
        40
        Everyone was arrested and nothing! And we would have screams that they are political, which is not democratic ...
        And in Spain it’s democratic! Although the most political prisoners!
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 2 November 2017 20: 29 New
          +8
          Quote: Logall
          Everyone was arrested and nothing! And we would have screams that they are political, which is not democratic ...
          And in Spain it’s democratic! Although the most political prisoners!

          The West has established the rules of the game, and therefore they interpret them as they please. And whatever we do, we will still be barbarians.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 2 November 2017 21: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: Pirogov
            And whatever we do, we will still be barbarians.
            Yes, people are against the lies of pseudo democracy, and the authorities are in the hands of all sorts of manipulations - sanctions, it’s boring to live ..... negative
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 2 November 2017 23: 22 New
              +7
              But I’m wondering: if once in medicine a new syndrome appears that describes the pathology of human behavior in a situation when:
              - said "A", but then said "Be-eee ...";
              - He could play his game, but played a point;
              - could make a strong move, but made legs,
              whose name is this syndrome called? wassat
              Given the palm, in theory, they should have called "Yanukovych’s syndrome." But on the other hand, "Pukdemon's syndrome" is somehow even more understandable. Perhaps this will be "Yanukovych-Pukdemon syndrome"? what
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 2 November 2017 23: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: BMP-2
                "Pukdemon syndrome" - somehow even more understandable
                He is not a "pukdemon" to you wassat .... and why "davalny" does not defend democracy there ..... laughing
                1. BMP-2
                  BMP-2 2 November 2017 23: 50 New
                  +2
                  Prior to the "ponchdemon" - clearly does not hold out: the putsch, in fact, did not work. request And in this reading - the very thing! In the sense - it is! I mean, it’s the most! laughing
                  And with the "two-pronged" - everything is clear there: it does not go, because there they really pile on! laughing
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 3 November 2017 07: 41 New
                    +5
                    Quote: BMP-2
                    And with the "two-pronged" - everything is clear there: it does not go, because there they really pile on!

                    Or he will pile in his pants after he is piled on there. lol
                    1. BMP-2
                      BMP-2 3 November 2017 08: 25 New
                      +1
                      In this case, most likely one does not interfere with the other! laughing
        2. poquello
          poquello 2 November 2017 20: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: Logall
          Everyone was arrested and nothing! And we would have screams that they are political, which is not democratic ...
          And in Spain it’s democratic! Although the most political prisoners!

          Evon as a volyushka then a folk about a corner, the Spanish authorities will accuse troubles, and what did they judge the advanced Pinochet? - themselves the same
        3. Makarov
          Makarov 2 November 2017 21: 07 New
          +2
          you have a different status in the eyes of "developed countries"
        4. Warrior with machine gun
          Warrior with machine gun 3 November 2017 10: 47 New
          +6
          hi Sanya, they arrested, but not everyone, Puchdemon, this natural Euro-rat, tried to bite off a piece of power and broke off immediately, and spit on the people whom he muttered.
        5. Orionvit
          Orionvit 3 November 2017 12: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Logall
          political prisoners

          Strange as it may seem, but with the liberal defenders filing the so-called “human rights”, there is a stereotype that the criminal is always sitting on the case, and the “political” is always for nothing, and is the victim of “arbitrary rule by the authorities”. But if you look really deep into history, then on the conscience of these "political", wars, revolutions, social and economic upheavals and tens of millions of victims.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 November 2017 23: 30 New
        +1
        Generally do not care. And Puch was frightened of Ukrainians. Only so far no word to anyone - soon it will become the official version - and then ...
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 2 November 2017 23: 40 New
        +1
        Puigdemon and his comrades-in-arms dreamed only of separation from Spain. But they wanted to stay in the EU.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 3 November 2017 12: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Puigdemon and his comrades-in-arms dreamed only of separation from Spain. But they wanted to stay in the EU

          As they say, and eat the fish and .... Or in other words, for two hares. Sensible people, well aware of what this turns out to be.
      4. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 3 November 2017 10: 31 New
        0
        It is true that no one considered the region in isolation from, mainly, the EU. However, there is an example of neighboring Andorra (non-EU), which you can try to focus on. It is clear there it happened historically, but you can still use the Andorran experience at first.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 3 November 2017 12: 16 New
          0
          Quote: forty-eighth
          However, there is an example of neighboring Andorra

          Well, do not tell, equating Andorra with the states of Europe, in spite of all its attributes of "statehood", with an army of two people and a ski resort. And which exists solely by the fact that everyone does not care about her. Andorra, this is a parody of the state, and to put it as an example, as it is not solid.
    2. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 2 November 2017 20: 04 New
      +9
      This is only the beginning, as in Scotland .. I am sure that such referenda will begin soon in the USA too!
      The colonies of England, not without the help of the Russian Empire and the USSR fell apart ..
      Workers of all countries unite! This slogan is more relevant than ever .. soldier
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 2 November 2017 23: 43 New
        +1
        The British colonial empire in the mid-20th century collapsed, in fact, not without the help of the United States. There are no regions in the United States itself where at least some significant portion of the population favors secession. In addition, almost a third of the population during their lives moves from one state to another.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 2 November 2017 20: 30 New
      +6
      Come on! It was a priori clear that all this was political games and a big "bunch" in the end ..
      Quote: Vadim237
      Well, that’s the end of independence. And it all started with hope.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 2 November 2017 20: 49 New
        +3
        210ox
        .. and a big "bunch" in the end ..
        That's for sure. One will be for everyone's joy. If this Puigdemon at Moscow airport suddenly draws wassat That's when the fun will be.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 November 2017 23: 27 New
          +1
          He will immediately be allocated one number, joint, with the famous ANShnik - Snowden.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 3 November 2017 06: 28 New
          0
          If this Puchdemon at a Moscow airport suddenly wassat be drawn That's when the fun will be.
          Not drawn. If Spain sends him to Interpol. It will not be drawn because the “gloomy Mordor”, in contrast to the light elves of the West, complies with international treaties - it arrests and extradits.
    4. Finches
      Finches 2 November 2017 21: 21 New
      +5
      Yes, all of Europe alone shoals! Puchdemon with his clowns set up the people themselves in the bushes ... Let the people offended by democracy soar on the bunks - start a revolution, go to the end, even if you die, but a respected man ... And in Europe even “revolutionaries” are solid pi .., gays ! laughing
      And they scare Russia with this shit - clowns! Now I’m twice as much for you to have their Arabs from morning till night to the fullest!
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 2 November 2017 23: 45 New
        +1
        By and large, the Catalans are the most pampered part of the population of Spain. They are far from the Basque, and even to the main people of Spain, the Castilians. The percentage of sexual minorities there is the highest in the country.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 3 November 2017 12: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          The percentage of sexual minorities there is the highest in the country.

          Therefore, the percentage of revolutionary leaders is high. They can’t sit still, they want to change the whole world, for the sake of their perverted thinking. But, nevertheless, it seems to me that citizen Puchdemon simply fulfilled the order of overseas “friends” for the planned, systematic shattering of Europe. Well, of course, he took a barrel of jam, which undoubtedly promised him, on his basket of cookies. Or maybe just an ideological one, then it’s definitely id.i.t., with a non-standard orientation.
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 2 November 2017 21: 26 New
      +2
      "Pokemon" did not pass
      "A cloudless sky over all of Spain!"
      European democracy showed its grin!
    6. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 3 November 2017 00: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      Well, that’s the end of independence. And it all started with hope.

      There is no end there.
      That's when deciding to take Barcelona "in two hours by the forces of one paratrooper regiment" - then there will definitely be an end.
    7. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 3 November 2017 01: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Vadim237
      Well, that’s the end of independence. And it all started with hope.

      European "democracy" will give odds to any dictatorship. Russia, as the successor to the USSR, has every right to arrest the governments of the former Soviet republics and abolish their independence. This is taught by European "democracy."
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 3 November 2017 03: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
        arrest the governments of the former union republics and abolish their independence

        Well, here everything is more complicated and interesting! But Yeltsin’s tochnik could be attracted to the zugunder under the following articles: state treason, state coup ... For there were higher authorities over the RSFSR Supreme Soviet and the EBN: the USSR Supreme Council and Gorbachev. Gorbachev had 100% legal right to demand the arrest of Yeltsin, but. ..obocp .......... Otherwise ...... it is possible that there could be another story! After a certain amount of time, in my opinion, a certain fraction in the State Duma was trying to "organize" an impeachment of E.B.Nmu ... If "by law", then the "EBN song" should be sung! But in Russia they often live not according to the law, but according to concepts (concepts of the strong). In general, they announced that there is no reason for impeachment ... as I heard, caviar did not reach my mouth .... squash.
    8. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 3 November 2017 03: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      Well, that’s the end of independence. And it all started with hope.

      The Catalans did not know the "truth" known to us: don’t get the knife in vain if you hit it!
    9. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 3 November 2017 10: 01 New
      +1
      A good lesson for our Moscow and St. Petersburg socialites. When the father, who stole in the nineties, gave his offspring all his belongings from the contemplation of the abundance of which even wealthy Germans get into a stupor, when they are tired of contemplating sexual acts in the theaters of the directors "who have such a vision", I want to do something else to dispel boredom. You can play politics, independence, why not ?. Here are the rich in Catalonia, and flirted, and rightly so. It would be good if our leader stopped playing the cat Leopold from himself, and before the election he would grow up this audience so as not to play too much ..
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 November 2017 19: 56 New
        +1
        Well, one has already been gutted to the maximum - Colonel Zakharchenko, all his property 9 billion rubles, will be confiscated at the expense of the state.
  2. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 2 November 2017 19: 45 New
    +6
    and rightly .... for nefig .... it’s time for everyone to understand that democracy is not the power of a demos (people), but the power of democrats .....
    1. Cutter
      Cutter 2 November 2017 19: 56 New
      21
      Puchdemon is handsome! I muddied the butch at home, reassured the people - and threw it !!! And now ... "I'm in Europe, you can't fuck me!" Once again, it shows the true face of European liberals ... You can’t call it another way ... yes In liberal, handsome, in Russian - in ... side! yes
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 3 November 2017 00: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Cutter
        I muddied the butch at home, reassured the people - and threw it !!!

        Here he is, the Demon of the coup ... The coup demon. laughing And the Catalans are sincerely sorry - get seduced and interrupted. recourse
        1. Lycan
          Lycan 3 November 2017 13: 21 New
          0
          By the way, you can give him a political asylum in exchange for assistance ...
          Well, for example, in the autonomy procedures of, say, the Zaporizhzhya region (or, to the heap, the Kherson region. An almost integral "belt" of protection of the Sea of ​​Azov’s water will be formed. And the resistance line of the Kiev junta will stretch. And if you organize self-sustainment enterprises there - then, in general, people from all over Ukraine will go there for a better life.
    2. zoolu350
      zoolu350 3 November 2017 14: 26 New
      +2
      Democracy is the power of the demos. Demos - a group of full citizens, each of whom must own a villa with an orchard and at least 3 slaves. Democracy is the power of slaveholders.
  3. Going
    Going 2 November 2017 19: 48 New
    14
    The prosecutor's office accuses former members of the autonomy government of rebellion, rebellion and embezzlement.


    And the main charge will be precisely the embezzlement.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 2 November 2017 20: 01 New
      10
      Quote: Going
      And the main charge will be precisely the embezzlement.

      And harassment to some lahudra. A putschdimonych technical pop gapon, screwed. What muddy water, decadent?
      1. Going
        Going 2 November 2017 20: 09 New
        12
        And harassment before some lahudra


        And this is "holy", tested and reliable.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 2 November 2017 21: 10 New
          +8
          Quote: Going
          And harassment before some lahudra


          And this is "holy", tested and reliable.

          What embezzlement, that harassment before lahudra or lahudera - all this is available to the special services for almost any politician, like an unforgettable skeleton in the closet.
          1. Going
            Going 2 November 2017 21: 13 New
            +9
            So that's why they scattered all over Europe, closer to their partners. laughing
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 2 November 2017 21: 16 New
              +7
              Here it will be a laugh if the partners turn out to be as "reliable" as the United States and surrender as soon as possible. yes
              1. Going
                Going 2 November 2017 21: 18 New
                +9
                You know, I have no doubt they will throw, trample and dance on the bones.
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 2 November 2017 21: 31 New
                  +8
                  Typical behavior of jackals, which is well characterized by the modern civilized West.
                  1. Going
                    Going 2 November 2017 21: 39 New
                    11
                    Scavengers live long and that's it.
          2. Cutter
            Cutter 2 November 2017 21: 20 New
            +9
            Quote: Jedi
            Quote: Going
            And harassment before some lahudra


            And this is "holy", tested and reliable.

            What embezzlement, that harassment before lahudra or lahudera - all this is available to the special services for almost any politician, like an unforgettable skeleton in the closet.

            You’re Max to me, people don’t knock out embezzlement ... hi I respect you, but there must be order. Although, what did you say there ... repeat At the expense of freebies, nothing ????? laughing
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 2 November 2017 21: 29 New
              +8
              Sasha, I’m not knocking anyone out for anything. hi I myself am in order, especially since you and I seem to understand the word the same way. wink soldier
              Quote: Cutter
              Although, what did you say there ... repeat

              And from this place in more detail: what and when did I say?
              1. Logall
                Logall 2 November 2017 21: 43 New
                11
                I don’t know how you are, Mr. Comrades, but I would add oil there! Something quietly calmed down everything ... hi
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 2 November 2017 21: 54 New
                  +6
                  Sasha, is there either a grandiose zilch or a calm before the storm? wink
                  1. Logall
                    Logall 2 November 2017 22: 03 New
                    10
                    Zilch into flour!
                    The haze settled, but nothing happened ...
                2. BMP-2
                  BMP-2 2 November 2017 23: 41 New
                  +2
                  Yes, it would be nice. As they say, you won’t spoil the porridge with butter. Although whom to send? Sobchak - well, she’s so busy at home. request Girkin - I think I will not agree now. lol All that remains is Chubais and a hundred or two other officials who could make porridge. laughing
                3. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 3 November 2017 10: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Logall
                  but I would add oil there!

                  Send there Anushka with such a good tank of sunflower oil. And then everything will be! ..
    2. papas-57
      papas-57 2 November 2017 21: 00 New
      +1
      `` And the main charge will be precisely the embezzlement. '' All politicians have dark spots in their biographies. Intelligence agencies know almost all sins. Therefore, any politician can hedge against compromising material. Which is done as needed.
  4. Livonetc
    Livonetc 2 November 2017 19: 53 New
    +4
    Because
    "Or chest in crosses
    Or a head in the bushes. "
    And they crowed into the bushes.
    Their place is "near the bucket."
  5. st25310
    st25310 2 November 2017 19: 55 New
    +4
    Puchdemon is a coup demon, is it?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2017 23: 31 New
      +1
      Rather, a ghost.
    2. insular
      insular 3 November 2017 07: 54 New
      0
      Quote: st25310
      Puchdemon is a coup demon, is it?

      No, this is the same myamlik as our Dimon, but also a cross between our PatchBoris.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 3 November 2017 10: 19 New
        0
        Puigdemon was opaque. He’s not a demon, but a blotter
  6. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 19: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Cutter
    Puchdemon is handsome! I muddied the butch at home, reassured the people - and threw it !!! And now ... "I'm in Europe, you can't fuck me!" Once again, it shows the true face of European liberals ... You can’t call it another way ... yes

    Well, for that and Puig, which is a Demon)))
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 3 November 2017 03: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Evrodav
      Well, for that and Puig, which is a Demon)))

      Do not confuse, pliz! "Which Demon:" is Dima Bilan! laughing
  7. Popovich
    Popovich 2 November 2017 20: 11 New
    +3
    Having said A, we must say B!

    it’s as if, returning home at night, you mistakenly drank a developer instead of water, drink and fixative, otherwise the matter will not be brought to the end ....
    1. den3080
      den3080 2 November 2017 20: 51 New
      +2
      somehow my grandfather climbed into the fridge from a hangover, took a dark glass wine bottle plugged with a cork from a newspaper and freaked ... sunflower oil from the throat, my grandmother bought the butter the other day))
      about 40 years have passed, and I still remember the effect wassat and laughter and sin
  8. japs
    japs 2 November 2017 20: 15 New
    +8
    Everything corresponds to the real behavior of a tolerant-liberal gay - yelling loudly about rights, calling on all progressive mankind to protect legitimate rights, honor and dignity, and when a large share of the likely “raking” of kebabs in large doses comes up, take it and screw it to the side, they say "I was not standing here," they misunderstood me ...

    Seriously, what can we expect from well-fed Catalans who want to tickle their nerves and people, get their share of “hype” ... Satisfied people got and went home.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 2 November 2017 20: 21 New
    +5
    So all the tales about rights and freedoms in Europe ended, which is so diligently trying to teach the whole "unreasonable" world!
    But the wrong side does not speak about freedom ...........
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 2 November 2017 20: 21 New
    +3
    Nonsense, Belgium will betray them soon, they do not need to quarrel with Madrid.
    1. Fkjydjckfrgh
      Fkjydjckfrgh 2 November 2017 21: 41 New
      +1
      Yes of course! All this fuss with independence - someone desired the Catalan "markets." And not the fact that the legs are not from Belgium grow. Everything is old as the world, look for - who benefits. And yes, it’s not over yet, now they will begin to put pressure on “risks in connection with ..” and add gasoline.
  11. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 2 November 2017 20: 28 New
    0
    beam demon tricked
  12. weksha50
    weksha50 2 November 2017 20: 30 New
    +1
    Democracy is in action ... recourse
  13. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 2 November 2017 20: 32 New
    +3
    Stsikuns who were afraid to go right away and are not envied to the end now. If you want independence, you should know that you need to act, and not cheply chew for weeks. In general, the geyropa is not yet ready for global radicalization. Jews still have to repeat the crisis of 2008, maybe then the radicals will come to power. Why do the Jews? To start the next world at number 3. The first two they managed to organize perfectly.
  14. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 2 November 2017 20: 38 New
    +4
    Ha good Now you can safely send on an erotic journey any Western European (and not so) "teacher of democracy" yes Whoever will only hint about the different rights and obligations there, laws and standards. angry
    Personally, I am already sick of democracy in any of its manifestations negative
  15. GUSAR
    GUSAR 2 November 2017 20: 45 New
    +2
    They poisoned the people, and then dumped, well done!
  16. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 2 November 2017 21: 01 New
    +2
    Everything was predictable. Those who believed in democracy are suckers. The elite merges in the very first hours when the consequences are coming. The analogies with Russia are obvious.
  17. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 2 November 2017 21: 03 New
    +3
    Puigdemon is arrested, but Navalny is not. Such, you see, totalitarianism. laughing
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  18. Makarov
    Makarov 2 November 2017 21: 06 New
    0
    That's where he’ll wash off now (in the end), he ordered a “banquet” ... a classic of the genre ...
  19. Sige
    Sige 2 November 2017 21: 20 New
    +2
    This is not some kind of Kosovo for you, and not even Chechnya.
    Here no one will allow you to self-determine.
  20. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 2 November 2017 21: 26 New
    +1
    Add to the "members" heading. It is ambiguous as it turned out for me.
  21. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 2 November 2017 21: 32 New
    +1
    Yes, Europe ... The times of dictatorships are approaching, such as 33-th year of the last century in a famous country. And in the other, also little known in the world and a very small country on the shores of the famous sea (you know where you can find amber on the beaches), books are burned for the truth in them. Publicly, and no one is afraid. And the people are hiding from fear in the kitchen ...
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  23. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 November 2017 22: 10 New
    +1
    Puchdemon turned out to be a brave man. There are few who, under the threat of prison, nevertheless carry out the will of their constituents.
  24. Romey
    Romey 2 November 2017 22: 11 New
    +2
    If we consider the events in Catalonia as a kind of national revolution, then Lenin’s words are quite applicable here, that any revolution is worth something, only if it can defend itself. Since there is nobody there to defend, apparently not going to, then procrastinate this topic only flood.
  25. 3vs
    3vs 2 November 2017 22: 18 New
    +1
    Catalan "Kerensky", sorry, didn’t escape in a woman’s robe! laughing
    Framed ... locals!
    People are the same everywhere, in fact, in Donetsk and Lugansk, in Catalonia,
    believed in beautiful slogans ...
    Nowhere do ordinary people need power!
  26. mavrus
    mavrus 2 November 2017 22: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: papas-57
    `` And the main charge will be precisely the embezzlement. '' All politicians have dark spots in their biographies. Intelligence agencies know almost all sins. Therefore, any politician can hedge against compromising material. Which is done as needed.

    What compromising material? The waste, in this case, is the money spent on the referendum. That's the whole dirt. Oh how.
  27. mavrus
    mavrus 2 November 2017 22: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: 3vs
    Catalan "Kerensky", sorry, didn’t escape in a woman’s robe! laughing
    Framed ... locals!
    People are the same everywhere, in fact, in Donetsk and Lugansk, in Catalonia,
    believed in beautiful slogans ...
    Nowhere do ordinary people need power!

    And what does Donetsk and Lugansk have to do with it? And here are the "beautiful slogans"? In Catalonia, they wanted to live "curly", and in the Donbass people just wanted to survive. And these are "two big differences."
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 2 November 2017 22: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: mavrus
      In Catalonia, they wanted to live "curly", and in Donbass, people just wanted to survive

      In the Donbass, "people wanted to survive" ... as part of the Russian Federationbecause in the 14th year it was much warmer and calmer there than in Ukraine.
      The analogy, that is, the most direct. And there’s no "big difference" to you.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 November 2017 23: 33 New
        +4
        In the Donbass, "people wanted to survive" ... as part of the Russian Federation. And the Russian government, they just threw in the 2014th.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 06: 21 New
          +8
          Quote: Vadim237
          And the Russian government, they just threw in the 2014th

          Threw their own leadership, basically. Told them "mom" - not climb the wells hold a referendum so far ... No, they did, and they did, like - they put it before the fact.
          And then everyone has what they have: leadership in chocolate, and the other participants in the action - military operations.
          And, however, stubborn believers are useless to explain request As they say - to teach ... only to spoil.
        2. Topotun
          Topotun 3 November 2017 11: 29 New
          +3
          Yeah, he threw it and still throws it ... Some humanitarian convoys are already under 70, more than 70 tons of cargo in total. Plus, the army of the DNI and LC is now far from a bunch of ragged men with hunting weapons. And production is being restored and coal is being mined in the Donbass. Or did you decide that Russia should have fought for these republics? Like the Catalans - we announced, but let's do it? Each people decides and achieves what he wants. But Russia does not need a big war, and so everything goes to it.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 November 2017 20: 01 New
            +1
            “Some humanitarian convoys are already under 70” - Whom these humanitarian convoys saved, and the victims could have been avoided by holding a referendum simultaneously with Crimea, troops were sent to the territory of Lugansk and Donetsk regions - there would have been no war at all.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 November 2017 20: 02 New
            +1
            “But Russia does not need a big war, and so everything goes to it” - With whom?
  28. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 2 November 2017 23: 49 New
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    It seems to me not one that some of the dialogues on the site represent the conversation of the same person under different nicknames with himself? And although I mostly agree with the content itself, it is still a little jarring. I hope I'm wrong.
  29. aries2200
    aries2200 3 November 2017 00: 22 New
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    Well, now they will use the "Spanish boot" + "Spanish tie" .... 58 of the Criminal Code of the USSR, the article is simple.
  30. Makarov
    Makarov 3 November 2017 01: 16 New
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    To be honest ... reading the last year, comments on VO hair stand on end ...
  31. LAWNER
    LAWNER 3 November 2017 01: 45 New
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    I put beer in the refrigerator, bought chips ... I'm waiting for the Hague Tribunal (online) ... True, after the scandalous departure of the prosecutor Carl del Ponte, he became like House-2)))
  32. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 3 November 2017 04: 19 New
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    one thing in all is good-no blood. and maybe now it all seems ridiculous and even comical, perhaps the decisions of this man with a strange haircut led to this. maybe it’s not cowardice that’s his business, but that a normal person cannot decide on exacerbation and blood?
    1. Topotun
      Topotun 3 November 2017 11: 23 New
      +1
      And why then raised the people to this matter? Why did they smash the streets, beat each other? Why did you start this bootleg? Just become bored? If you’ve already taken it, bring it to the end, otherwise it must be judged as a scumbag, it’s not clear why it organized tension in society.
  33. Hard Rock
    Hard Rock 3 November 2017 05: 26 New
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    And where are our liberals, the Puritans? Where is the anger and sorrow? Where are the crying and moaning? Somehow quiet.
  34. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 3 November 2017 10: 06 New
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    It is time for Puigdemon to settle closer to Snowden.
  35. Berkut24
    Berkut24 3 November 2017 10: 24 New
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    If this “Pokemon” were a man, now it would dictate the terms to Madrid. But not a man, now he is humbling over Belgium.
  36. Topotun
    Topotun 3 November 2017 11: 19 New
    +1
    Hmm, but how many emotions were there that we Catalans achieved independence ... How many emotions ended up in zilch ... Didn’t they really understand that they needed to win their independence and perhaps even by force of arms? But why then participated in this show? Or were you waiting for the wizard? Which will provide them all? Strange people.
  37. nakhtigalsif
    nakhtigalsif 3 November 2017 12: 36 New
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    Quote: Cutter
    Puchdemon is handsome! I muddied the butch at home, reassured the people - and threw it !!!

    ... or showed the Europeans what it really is their most “democratic" democracy and how wonderful it is to live there ... wassat