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Creation of T-55 tank and sabotage in the assembly shop

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It is well known that the Soviet T-55 medium tank was created on the basis of tank T-54. The memoirs of the famous tank designer Leonid Nikolayevich Kartsev help to understand how the process of turning the T-54 into the T-55 started “from below” without instructions “from above”, and what unexpected opposition had to be encountered in the production of the new tank.

"155 Object"

During the described period, Kartsev was the general designer of Uralvagonzavod: “Once in Chelyabinsk, the head of the automatics bureau of the tank design bureau Silchenko told me that he developed an automatic fire-fighting equipment system for a heavy tank, and the Kirovs (Leningrad Kirovsky Plant - LKZ) do not want to implement it . I asked him to give us one set of this equipment for testing. Soon we tested it by installing it on a T-54 tank, and got good results.

Almost at the same time, the head of the transmission bureau arrived from Kharkov and brought drawings of a planetary transmission, which promised to be much more durable than cylindrical. Testers from the Cuban tank ground suggested replacing smoke bombs to install thermal smoke equipment (TDA). So we have formed a solid foundation for implementation in production.

An idea to introduce these innovations simultaneously with the accumulated reserve of its technical solutions was ripe. I.V. Okunev (Ivan Vasilievich Okunev - director of Uralvagonzavod - MK) also reacted to the idea with enthusiasm, but asked ... to make sure that the introduction of all the planned innovations took place not as a modernization, but as the creation of a new tank. They divided the responsibilities: I am responsible for the designs and for the results of testing prototypes, Okunev - for the introduction into production ... They assigned the name “155 object” to the new development.

The development was successful, and in the middle of 1957, the “155 object” was put into service under the name “T-55 tank”. Mass production was planned to start from January 1 1958.

Workers fake stacking shots

“With the start of production of the T-55 tank, there were a lot of complaints from the workers about stacking shots along the partition of the engine compartment. Workers complained about the difficulty of fitting the crossbars, eliminating the contact of the shells against each other. Investigating this question, I suspected that the workers-collectors were pursuing their goals: to achieve an increase in the standards of time for fitting. On the reports in the assembly shop, this issue was raised daily. The director scolded me ... Finally, my patience was exhausted, and I decided to prove that the workers were falsifying the situation. After the change, we with the designers V.O. Drobotenko and N.N. Popov came into the shop and began to customize the unfortunate styling. The work was not easy: you will fit the crossbar to eliminate the touch of the projectile in one place, and it appears in another. We had been busy with this case all night, but we achieved stability in the work and handed over two packings to the military representative. In the morning report, the military representative told the director about it. The reaction was appropriate. He accused the workers of the assembly shop of sabotage and instructed the chief technologist of the plant to urgently make a styling layout in the manufacturing shop and carry out fitting work there. The question of this really complicated stacking of shots was no longer raised. ”

Plant for tanks must still pay extra?

At the same time, it should be noted that the workers of the assembly shop had good reasons to try to confuse the head with the authorities, seeking to maximize the time standards for adjusting the crossbars. They took care of the future ...

Kartsev wrote: “Then every year in February, in a directive manner, production rates were tightened by 15%. If for the manufacture of some parts, for example, one ruble was paid, then from March 1 there were already 85 kopecks, and next year 72 kopecks, etc. ”

The question arises - and if 7 years in a row annually reduce prices, what happens? Tightening on 105%?

It is no coincidence that one of Kartsev’s colleagues somehow joked at the next price reduction: “I have been working at the plant for many years, the norms are getting tougher every year, now the plant must pay extra for tanks and not receive money.”

Of course, it didn’t go as far as paying the extra for the hand-made part. Outputs from this situation were found: “In order for the plant to work with profit, they went in two ways: they reduced the labor intensity of manufacturing by introducing new, more productive equipment or introduced new samples into production, laying down“ fat ”standards for further tightening. For example, the complexity of manufacturing the T-55 and T-62 tanks was almost the same, and due to the improved combat characteristics of the latter, the price for it was 15% higher than that of the T-55 tank. "

It is clear that in the past, the combat characteristics of the new cars improved compared to the aging predecessors, which created a “fat”, which could be used to tighten the norms. This was how the military industry worked until the 1965 year, when, as part of the so-called Kosygin reform, the annual directive reduction in labor intensity was canceled ...
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 4 November 2017 05: 00 New
    +3
    The best military economist of our time was Adolf Hitler, all the time he blamed his gernals that they did not understand a damn thing in the military economy
  2. corporal
    corporal 4 November 2017 08: 21 New
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    We carried along with this business all night, but we achieved stability in work and two layings were handed over to the military representative

    Heroes, their mother. All night they were transported ... and the hard workers there koryachitsya from year to year, without normal equipment, and prices are falling.
    Effective managers of the times of socialism.
    1. urman
      urman 4 November 2017 08: 33 New
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      As far as I remember, the most terrible enemy of the workers was the rationing officer.
      He himself worked in the corps workshop, they never made anything superfluous, because today you will overfulfill and get a big salary,
      tomorrow the rates will be cut and you will receive less for the same work.
      They cut down either the price or the time for manufacturing.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 4 November 2017 11: 52 New
        10
        Remember, my friend, a banner hanging in the workshop with the slogan "Today is the record of Stakhanovist, tomorrow is everyone’s norm!" ....
        1. urman
          urman 4 November 2017 12: 15 New
          +5
          I remember such a cool order.
          Due to the difficult international situation .. still there is something
          The country needs tanks, in this regard, the current weekend (sub, Sunday) is declared working days.
          This is not the 30th, this is the 83rd.
          Naturally, everyone had a question of payment, which sometimes caused serious friction.
          Or the end of the year, the plan for the machines must be fulfilled, people a month without days off, 90% were thrown to the promised premium% -40 paid.
          The head of the workshop, the workers were as good as they could, well, his bosses sprinkled with his own methods.
          The result is a nervous breakdown, a fool for a month.
        2. urman
          urman 4 November 2017 12: 21 New
          +9
          And the old cabinet 760 was transferred to the new 765.
          One flight was launched, noses, bottoms, sides.
          The second was still brought to mind, then EBN comes THEN WHAT ARE COMBINED.
          And instead of working, we washed the floors, and removed dust from all structures by his arrival, instead of working and making money.
          In general, what epithets he was awarded was not necessary to say.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 4 November 2017 14: 13 New
            +7
            Alexander, what do you want? The dust is the enemy of democracy!
      2. w70
        w70 8 November 2017 21: 34 New
        0
        Because of such, the Union fell apart
    2. Strashila
      Strashila 4 November 2017 08: 44 New
      13
      Actually this is a jamb, not even of manufacturers, but of designers ... from our own experience, teachers and mentors have always said ... little to draw, you have to tell the technologist and worker how to do this ... and write in the explanatory note of the project.
      1. igor67
        igor67 4 November 2017 10: 56 New
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        Quote: Strashila
        Actually this is a jamb, not even of manufacturers, but of designers ... from our own experience, teachers and mentors have always said ... little to draw, you have to tell the technologist and worker how to do this ... and write in the explanatory note of the project.

        that’s all right, but there was a standardizer in the workshop, and I didn’t deeply understand what was written in the technical task. Next to me, I sat stupidly with a stopwatch, was just taking apart the gear compartment on MI6, and for the time that I took it apart I took another half hour,
        1. urman
          urman 4 November 2017 12: 23 New
          +7
          laughing laughing
          Quote: igor67
          .After me sat stupidly with a stopwatch

          We hid behind the machines and clocked from afar so that the machine operators did not see.
          1. igor67
            igor67 4 November 2017 12: 29 New
            +6
            Quote: urman
            laughing laughing
            Quote: igor67
            .After me sat stupidly with a stopwatch

            We hid behind the machines and clocked from afar so that the machine operators did not see.

            there was such a thing, and then at the end of the month, the foreman closing the sheet had to look for a watch for the RFP,
            1. urman
              urman 4 November 2017 12: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: igor67
              look for watches for ZP,

              We had a piecework premium.
              Hourly only in services, mechanics, IIR, energy.
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    3. aws4
      aws4 4 November 2017 08: 59 New
      +9
      here I agree with you one hundred percent !!!!!!!!!!! we have such fun even now, they set the task and the engineers themselves cannot fulfill their mother .. they were busy all night, but they themselves don’t think that this is a continuous production and people should do this every day and it’s not bothering, but it’s normal to work qualitatively and without nerves ...
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 4 November 2017 19: 25 New
        0
        and they themselves cannot be performed by an engineer, their mother .. all night long struggled but they themselves do not think that this is a continuous production and people should do this every day and it doesn’t
        THIS IS A QUESTION OF OMA, AND THE DESIGN IS FITTED UNDER THE TASKS OF THE CUSTOMER (MARKETING Right now- CONSUMER PROPERTIES) if it consumes the other when laying (what do you have - loading time + charge, anti-explosion, etc.) it is better-jamb SKB if worse options -cm down to CDP
    4. Pivot
      Pivot 4 November 2017 09: 20 New
      +4
      This was absolutely correct, now it is called gentle production, measures to increase productivity without investing in capital goods. At the time of the hegemony of the pletarerat, this was the only thing that the OTC had to do. It had to be very powerful, only this way high performance and quality were achieved.
      1. urman
        urman 4 November 2017 12: 41 New
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        Quote: Pivot
        measures to increase productivity without investing in capital goods. At the time of the hegemony of the pletaretate, that’s the only way the OTC should have acted

        People come to the factory to earn money, not a war, after all, but a thoughtless increase in production standards only leads to a deterioration in quality.
        before temporary wear of equipment, tools, etc.
        A simple example that a veteran, UVZ told me, during the war, he worked as a kid at a factory repairing machines on machines.
        So, when replacing gear on machines, if they didn’t climb, they clogged it with a hammer.
        And the captured Fritz polished all the keys and made them fit, naturally he took more time, they called him a saboteur.
        But when it came time to change the gear set by them, it took half a day to remove, with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother, and it’s good if the shafts, then I did not have to change it.
        Well, after the German, guess yourself, everything was filmed with two fingers.
        I still do not remember his story when I was in no hurry, pushing something with fart steam.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 4 November 2017 19: 27 New
          +7
          the best repairman who always sleeps and the machines always work
          1. AUL
            AUL 5 November 2017 10: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: antivirus
            the best repairman who always sleeps and the machines always work
            If the repairman is always sleeping, the machines will never work for him! PPR (scheduled preventive maintenance) was not in vain invented.
            Regarding the rationing at the time - no need to demonize them. They cut rates and prices not from evil, but at the request of management. The enterprise’s reporting contains a bunch of indicators, where there is labor productivity, and KIM (material utilization rate), and energy efficiency, and resource saving, and much more. And for each indicator, the directors had both in the regional committee and at all kinds of colleges. At all levels, statistics are sent higher, and there they also have for it! So there were such dialogues:
            “Why don't you raise?”
            - So they raised already, nothing more!
            - Use the reserves!
            - What reserves, everyone has already scraped out!
            - Are you a communist? Find it! Or lay out a membership card, and we’ll find the director and the other, hurry up!
            What to do to the director? So he demands from his subordinates (according to the same scheme) an increase, growth, improvement, etc. Sometimes, indeed, they found some reserves, really improved something, but more often it was reduced simply to lowering prices and lowering norms.
        2. Pivot
          Pivot 5 November 2017 08: 43 New
          +1
          Read about OTC, fast doesn’t mean bad, quickly means smoke 5 times per shift on a strictly scheduled time once during a lunch break 30 minutes + 2 times 15 tea breaks + two times 5 minutes for smoke and work without unnecessary movements and chatter. Believe me, the keys will not have to be hammered, our mentality will simply come down and for a long time there was the hegemony of the pralitariate who knew that you just needed to do something but not how to do it, but they said to designers and technologists that they were idlers who could only find fault with the Soviet worker .
          1. urman
            urman 5 November 2017 09: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: Pivot
            maybe for a long time there was the hegemony of pralitariate

            But now hegemony, mediocre managers, where to steal, steal.
            Soviet IT engineers are the earth and the sky, compared with the vast majority of the current.
            Soviet engineers, understood that any of their best project will remain only on paper, without a competent embodiment in metal.
            And what you described above relates to serial production,
            it does not require high qualifications from either workers or engineers. In large-scale serial production, there are slightly different requirements, the main thing is to strictly follow those processes.
            Quote: Pivot
            just do something but not how to do it, but about designers and technologists they said that they were loafers who could only find fault with the Soviet worker.

            I watch you from modern, managers.
            Something I did not hear such statements at one time.
            Rogozin take two!
            1. Pivot
              Pivot 5 November 2017 11: 10 New
              +2
              I’m not a manager, I’m just an engineer who worked in the USA, Russia, Sweden now in a French company, we will build a factory for the production of agricultural equipment near Voronezh. I can clearly see the difference in the organization of labor and the attitude of personnel towards production standards, in Russia this is difficult, but there are progress. I’m just for a high-quality Russian product, and I understand that this is achieved not simply and without tough and radical measures, high-quality products cannot be obtained.
              1. urman
                urman 5 November 2017 11: 57 New
                +4
                Quote: Pivot
                tough and radical measures do not get quality products.

                Yes, there is no need for harsh and radical measures, or rather, they are needed by the organizers of the pr-va, in terms of fulfilling the labor z-va, timely payment of a decent salary, organization of working conditions. And believe me, not a single worker will leave a decent prospect.
                Quote: Pivot
                the organization of labor and the attitude of staff towards

                I would say the attitude towards the staff, in our time with this, is hard for hucksters to climb up into the muddy 90s.
                I am a technician - a mechanic now working in a trucking system.
                The company is private, well, the owners are former drivers.
                Many companies will envy the attitude to the staff and the organization of production.
                I also had to see how the Austrians work on the southern stream, also arouses respect, laws are respected to the last comma.
                Well, and how do you think to whom it is necessary to apply harsh and radical measures.
                First, it is necessary to ensure that employers comply with the letter of the law, and then require the prospect of labor from workers.
                I had to observe, in one fattening huckster, there was such a dialogue, pouring rain on the street, no covered boxes from the word at all, he requires the driver to prepare the car for the flight (change pads, something with pneumatics) since tomorrow on the flight, water “I only had a day's rest from the flight, it was raining, the huckster in response to which I was paying you money, well, I got a bunch of car keys in the face, the man quit.
                So this nouveau is still appealing to me, to which I replied that I would have broken his jaw.
                1. Pivot
                  Pivot 5 November 2017 12: 41 New
                  0
                  You are right Urman, the legislation should always be respected and it should be so, and in my practice it wasn’t such that the employer did not fulfill the contract with the staff. I’m talking about those cases when a worker can just leave his workplace to smoke at an unspecified time, when the process stops because of this or most often he returns and forgets to hold on the bolts and after that the assembly fails and the machine breaks down and the like. I’m talking about the fact that now the workers ’movement at every workplace is being worked out and the worker must do it and don’t say don’t teach me; I myself will teach anyone you want, we collected a shift from such teachers in Sweden; In short, I say that workers should understand that at the workplace they must responsibly approach their duties and fulfill them. If the employer does not fulfill his duties, there is a court and there are other enterprises, if the employee is qualified, he will not have problems finding a new job.
                  1. Usher
                    Usher 5 November 2017 21: 15 New
                    +2
                    The point is dumb and mediocre authorities. Which cannot match two fingers on one hand. And she’s stealing that mom don’t worry. Our production and construction is just an enchanting circus, and the clowns there are "effective managers, stupid people." No contracts, and if you say that you do not sign, and I will find others that will work without paper. What do you want me to do? Sit and swell from hunger? For example, we are waiting for the RFP, but it is all gone and gone. It turns out that the accountant just did not have time to do his job, well, he went home, and Friday. I call the foreman when the RFP (I have to pay for the sq) he says in Mon. I’m going to get him in the ass, he told me what the bosses will do so I told him then they won’t do the work themselves, but as soon as you get up, the bosses start saying that you don’t work completely dead? You pay me for my past work, they: we will pay in Mon. I say this is how you pay it and will work. That's always the case. As their cant, okay, you need to work, as we do not have time, so immediately red. Or they ordered the material from the foreman, he forgot or whatever. In short, there is no material. Well, we’re sitting and waiting for the brigade; does the engineer come yelling? I close his mouth to him, there is no material, he’ll do something else, I’m awesome to him, will he do one thing, and then when will the material come, will we redo it? he says yes, the main thing is not to sit. The boys went to work, I sent them and went to dinner. I then explain to the foreman, I will not do the monkey work. This is on CHARGE. There is a complete PPC, all through the ass, absolutely.
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 5 November 2017 09: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Pivot
            Believe me, the keys will not have to be hammered, our mentality will simply come down and so for a long time there was the hegemony of the pralitariate who knew that it was just necessary to do something but not how to do it,

            Here was the hegemony of the Department of Labor and Wages, which clearly knew that if he did not cut production standards, he would not get quarterly ones, since labor efficiency had not increased.
    5. avt
      avt 4 November 2017 09: 28 New
      12
      Quote: Corporal
      Effective managers of the times of socialism.

      fool ,, DB. "- Lavrov. First find out what Kartsev did for the country, then look in the mirror - you will see who is real in comparison with him
      Quote: Corporal
      Heroes, their mother.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 4 November 2017 10: 13 New
        +6
        In my opinion, the main thing in this story is that the designer took the place of the worker and checked for himself the task that the worker performed. And they could immediately blame the workers for sabotaging the work, with subsequent punishments.
        1. AUL
          AUL 5 November 2017 11: 11 New
          +2
          In my opinion, the main thing in this story is that the designer took the place of the worker and checked for himself the task that the worker performed.
          Actually, it was not the designer who was supposed to be there, but the technologist who was developing the assembly process technology!
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 5 November 2017 13: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: AUL
            In my opinion, the main thing in this story is that the designer took the place of the worker and checked for himself the task that the worker performed.
            Actually, it was not the designer who was supposed to be there, but the technologist who was developing the assembly process technology!

            For a specific case, probably so, but if you take another case, where in the right place the service door is not provided, whose jamb?
            1. AUL
              AUL 7 November 2017 18: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              For a specific case, probably so, but if you take another case, where in the right place the service door is not provided, whose jamb?
              Before launching the production of the drawing, it is coordinated with the OGT. And, if a service door or a technological hole is not provided, then this is again the fault of the technologist. He has the right (and is obliged) to make proposals to the OGK on the adjustment of the design in terms of manufacturability and performance.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 4 November 2017 11: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: avt
        First find out what did Kartsev for the country

        Specifically, in this case, he was clearly wrong.
        1. avt
          avt 4 November 2017 13: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: Spade
          Specifically, in this case, he was clearly wrong.

          Specifically, in this case, Kartsev and V.O. Drobotenko and N.N. Popov behaved in the same way as engineers trained by the Russian School behaved before the modern organization and digital technologies (according to which we also taught the Brezhnevites bully ) - go and show me with your pens how to do what you had planned and drew on a paper clip to the culmant fastened with a pencil. AND
          In those days, secluded, now almost epic,
          When the term is enormous wandered into stages long.
          They also encircled with ink (thank God, I didn’t catch it with my ,, love "and skill in drawing. I tried it once and well .... bully hard labor, you have to be really turned on calligraphy)
          Quote: svp67
          The weak point of our production has always been weak technology.

          bully
          Quote: svp67
          weak technologists ....

          they always depend on the department and the technologist who leads it, and the production manager (not to be confused with effective managers waiting for the coming of the Holy Investment and when the Market will regulate everything) who care about the fixed assets of entrusted production and the training of existing personnel at all levels.
          1. urman
            urman 4 November 2017 16: 51 New
            +9
            Quote: avt
            BEFORE modern managerate and digital technologies, engineers trained by the Russian School behaved

            That's right, we tried it ourselves, we were convinced, as a result we made a stand.
            With modern managers, with hands growing from the back seat, not a comparison.
            In my opinion, the title of the article (sabotage) is provocative.
            Under the USSR, workers certainly did not organize strikes, well, they could stand up for themselves and they listened to their opinion.
            Not present times were.
            Not like now, just a little bit like the line is behind the gate. As a result, we have what we have,
            the story with the Protons by their quality is an example.
            Ragozin will not get up to the machine; he can only grind with his tongue.
            I already wrote on VO.
            The minister came to us, to inspect the new workshop,
            approached the installation on which, the nose is welded and immediately the question is,
            why the flooring is not high underfoot, Lenya (which worked on this installation) is not high it will not be convenient for him.
            Now imagine in his place Rogozin,
            I personally can’t imagine, working and knowing my job is not a Troll tweeter.
            He has a lot of work in the east, workers aren’t paid insolently, and he finds out about it on TV and is ostentatiously outraged. You take care of the goblin for something that you can’t or you don’t know, and if you don’t know what they steal, then you are either idiot or in proportion.
            But I did not forget to attach my (talented) offspring.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 5 November 2017 08: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: avt
            engineers trained by the Russian School

            ... would start with the question "what's wrong with technology." And they would not have climbed to prove themselves that the workers are saboteurs, but they attended to a serious conversation with them on the topic of improving the assembly technology and creating devices for acceleration.
    6. svp67
      svp67 4 November 2017 11: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Corporal
      Effective managers of the times of socialism.

      The weak point of our production has always been weak technology ....
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 4 November 2017 12: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        The weak point of our production has always been weak technology ....

        Not only technologists, but also technologies, there was still come on, when the production began according to temporary technologies, in artisanal conditions. If you believe V.G. Grabin, then only in their design bureau, at artillery plant No. 92, at the design stage, the design and technological development of a new product began.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 4 November 2017 19: 30 New
        0
        there were always weak technologists ....


        is a culture and education
        + level of development of production forces and production relations
        1. svp67
          svp67 4 November 2017 19: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: antivirus
          is a culture and education
          + level of development of production forces and production relations

          as well as FRAMES. Technologists were far from the best.
          1. AUL
            AUL 5 November 2017 15: 25 New
            +3
            Here let me disagree with you! This is not a matter of weak technological personnel - we always had enough bright heads. But any new technology requires new equipment. But with the equipment has always been a big strain! The machinery park is almost completely worn out in dust; everything that can be squeezed out of it. How on rubbish it was possible to achieve the required accuracy, purity of processing, etc.? And the supply of new equipment was carried out centrally, through the ministries and the State Planning Commission, and knocking out the right machine for the plant was a heroic deed. There were clearly not enough machines of their production (and their nomenclature was not great), and something non-standard and high-tech was bought for gold “over the hill”. How can technologists work in such a situation, ensure quality and productivity?
            I wound around defense plants a lot. In the late 80s, Index machines (TPA and APFT), which were exported from Germany after the war, were still in the workshops.
            1. urman
              urman 6 November 2017 11: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: AUL
              in the workshops were still machines of the Index company (TPA and APFT), which were exported from Germany after the war.

              I also saw such people at the UVZ, and I also saw new software machines manufactured in Japan under the open sky, the electronic stuffing of which was pulled away by radio amateurs.
    7. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 7 November 2017 15: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Corporal
      Heroes, their mother. All night they were transported ... and the hard workers there koryachitsya from year to year, without normal equipment, and prices are falling.
      Effective managers of the times of socialism.


      A planned reduction in the norms was laid down in the economy with the goal of stimulating factories to reduce the cost of production of the military-industrial complex.

      The note of the First Division of the State Economic Council to the Presidium of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of August 4, 1961 states that
      “The profitability of military products continues to remain high, and for individual products it reaches 30–40% instead of 3% set by wholesale prices. The high profitability of military products, the authors of the note believed, "covers serious shortcomings in the organization of labor, the expenditure of wage funds, and large overheads ..."

      "unproductive costs" of defense enterprises, the chairman of the USSR State Bank, informs in a note in the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the shortcomings in the work of defense enterprises of the economic councils" of July 22, 1960.
      “Losses from marriage in 1959,” the document says, “amounted to over 500 million rubles, or 1,1% of the cost of gross output. Losses from waste materials in production only for the defense industry of the Moscow City CHX amounted to 1959 million rubles in 161. or 15,3% of the cost of recycled materials. "
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 4 November 2017 08: 34 New
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    “He accused the assembly shop workers of sabotage and instructed the plant’s chief technologist to urgently make a laying layout in the manufacturing shop and carry out adjustments there.” ... what prevented this from being done immediately as soon as this issue arose in the production ... management neglect ... like we are the smartest, and you grumble. The result, slow-thinking ... they forgave the leadership, they appointed simple hard workers as switchmen.
    1. urman
      urman 4 November 2017 08: 47 New
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      Quote: Strashila
      slow-thinking ... forgiven leadership

      In fairness, it is worth noting that Okunev was very respected at the plant, including workers. I remembered many workers in the main operations, both in the carriage and in the tank pr-v, by their middle name.
      And in general, the couple was not the current idiots, because of the parental protection they got out of .... skiing to the bread places.
      He knew the production thoroughly, and how much he did for the Dzerzhinsky (Lining) district.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 4 November 2017 15: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Strashila
      what prevented this from being done as soon as this question arose in production ..

      And the fact that the instrumental and experimental workshops, obliged to produce new special tools, fixtures, technological equipment, and the development of new technologies, secretly “worked for the flow,” producing mass production for the conveyor. This is known from personal experience and is written in the memoirs of our designers and production workers. Shakhurin, Grabin, and others have this, and I will not mention everyone.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 4 November 2017 19: 33 New
        +2
        but cities were being built and apartments were given, for "there was no time to leave ..-- to leave," + sports complexes and cultural palaces
  4. Monarchist
    Monarchist 4 November 2017 10: 19 New
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    Quote: andrewkor
    samples

    He painfully understood. If the entot "thinker" did not climb into our "garden", but retained friendship with us, it is not yet known what would remain on the political map of the world
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist 4 November 2017 10: 35 New
    +7
    We have the Kulibin’s country :: "Silchenko told me that he developed an automatic fire-fighting equipment system for a heavy tank .... the head of the transmission bureau came from Kharkov and brought the drawings of the planetary final drive ..." and so created a new tank. And now we have the Kulibins, but now the Kharkovites are our opponents, and the testers from the tank training ground will not share their suggestions for thanks
  6. Earnest
    Earnest 4 November 2017 16: 10 New
    +6
    Quote: andrewkor
    The best military economist of our time was Adolf Hitler, all the time he blamed his gernals that they did not understand a damn thing in the military economy

    He failed the military economics exam to Joseph Vissarionovich in 41.
  7. urman
    urman 4 November 2017 16: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Amurets
    Quote: Strashila
    what prevented this from being done as soon as this question arose in production ..

    as soon as the question arose, they themselves climbed up checked and eventually made a snap.
    Yes, with any innovation there is a bunch of little things that are eliminated during the series. It was always and everywhere. It is not possible to foresee everything, the movement of rationalizers was not in vain encouraged
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 5 November 2017 01: 14 New
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      Quote: urman
      Yes, with any innovation there is a bunch of little things that are eliminated during the series.

      Yes, I do not deny this, sometimes problems arise in the waste production. For this, OGT also serves. The problem is how quickly the OGT reacts to the problem that has arisen: whether it is hardening cracks or the complexity and complexity of assembly. VOIR and BREEZE is good, but they also do not solve all the problems.
      And how problems can arise, an example from the book of V.S. Emelyanova. "Where did it begin." So, it happens that during the factory run, and sometimes on sea trials, some gears break their teeth, and we find in the gearbox one, or even two broken teeth. What is the matter, we still can not understand. Yes, and today the same incident happened. Come, see for yourself, this is better than explaining on the fingers ...
      - Let's all the same make a complete chemical and metallographic analysis of the broken tooth.
      We send him to the laboratory. The next morning a sensation.
      - Do you know what happened? Steel is not chromium-nickel-molybdenum, not "ha-en-four", but chromium - "she-ha-fifteen"!
      - What about ?????? And then how the technological control was carried out: - How it was not! Was and is. We carry out, firstly, a random check and, in addition, we check the chemical composition "with a spark test", we check each disc that comes to the machining workshop.
      - But you can distinguish chromium-containing steels from chromium-free steels by “spark breakdown” - and that's all!
      The technologist thought:
      - Yes, of course, you're right. "V.S. Emelyanov:" Where did it begin, chapter: Where tanks are made "
      1. urman
        urman 5 November 2017 08: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: Amurets
        and sometimes during trials, some gears break down in some gears, and we find in the gearbox one, or even two broken teeth. What's the matter

        When the t-90 was painfully done, such problems arose.
        They told me, acquaintances and relatives, everything seems to be done correctly and on the run, some part breaks down, they check that it is overheated during processing or something else.
        The working experienced machinists ran away from the factory, they didn’t want to trade in the stalls and didn’t want to go back, like they would throw them again (thanks to the gaitarysh).
        A skilled skilled machinist 3-5 years to cook.
        There are more technicians, engineers (this is not counting the time to study)
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 5 November 2017 08: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: urman
          A skilled skilled machinist 3-5 years to cook.

          I totally agree with you. All his life he worked on the repair of both diesel and automobile engines. The problems are familiar. Not every candidacy can be prepared, because not everyone is given the opportunity to work with metal. This is probably why the world is divided into physicists and lyricists.
  8. zenion
    zenion 4 November 2017 19: 25 New
    +6
    In 1964 he worked in Sverdlovsk at a factory. Fidel Castro came to Sverdlovsk and Khrushchev was supposed to come with him. The hard workers of all the factories said that if Khrushchev appears in Sverdlovsk then tanks would enter the road. So in Sverdlovsk Fidel Castro was landed at the airport, and Khrushch flew to Tomsk. Afraid of the bastard. A year ago he withdrew the Ural surcharges and cut the prices for the implementation of the plan.
  9. viktorch
    viktorch 4 November 2017 20: 19 New
    +2
    Well, yes, yes, yes, they forgot to mention how the management of the plant cut the rates in order to increase the efficiency of the administration by an administrative-fraud method, lick them for one, and get bonuses with medals, and the workers are to blame.
  10. vasev
    vasev 4 November 2017 21: 02 New
    +1
    And how do you like this line from the order for the plant - "... To increase labor productivity, reduce prices by 15%."
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 4 November 2017 23: 34 New
      +4
      Khrushchev’s times were characterized by the term “voluntarism”
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 5 November 2017 13: 48 New
    +2
    Israeli military when the first trophies were captured
    T-54, most struck by the fact that the tower has no floor.
    Tankers had to stamp their feet along the bottom of the hull.
    Noting a strong chassis, reliable rollers, a motor, they were surprised at the inconvenience
    the work of tankers, clumsy internal "finish" and weak armor.
    1. Pivot
      Pivot 5 November 2017 14: 07 New
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      This was specially done so that the tankers would go into battle faster, win and climb out of these infernal vehicles faster.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 5 November 2017 15: 26 New
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        "climbed out of these infernal machines faster." ////

        They climbed out quickly. smile Often before they even managed to win.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 5 November 2017 18: 27 New
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          antivirus 2 Today, 08:54
          TA war ... it will seem to grandchildren that it was as long as for us
          as "the time of Ochakov and the conquest of Crimea"
          May 9, 82 g after the relay, in honor of Victory Day, at Victory Square (where the start and finish) go to school.
          To meet me, not an old man, in a nice linen suit, 3 rows of planks, gray-haired, with a black and gray-haired mustache: "Stalin had Georgians' favorites, they were sent to tank troops, so many were burned out"
          not verbatim. You always do not remember and understand the main thing in life. Why did he speak with a stranger? Did the veteran himself see this and could not remain silent?
          I remembered now - a photo with tumbled out of the hatch, charred

          REMEMBER ABOUT SAVING SOME MILLION JEWS
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 November 2017 18: 35 New
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            Well, the T-54 didn’t save us in the Middle East, but really, really
            vice versa - dig into the ground sad . But we are not offended fellow - managed, took
            them yourself. Until now, the Akhzarit TBTRs are plowing their chassis and saving Jews.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 5 November 2017 18: 25 New
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      this is the period until destruction in battle
      in WWII, the tanks were not polished and rattled; for several kilometers the Germans heard - “tanks, to battle”.
      + bike about the plant’s director, the cat suggested not to tear and not to butt. "anyway for 1 day -boy"
  12. John Doe
    John Doe 6 November 2017 16: 14 New
    +1
    In general, any super-norm should be well encouraged, but at the last gallery, when I had to stay until 8-9 the next day, the chef tempered a mountain of all kinds of sweets at his own expense at the office. not to mention the fact that after such a delay, he delivered those by taxi under his own power.
  13. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 7 November 2017 15: 50 New
    +1
    Kartsev wrote: “Then every year in February, in a directive manner, production rates were tightened by 15%. If for the manufacture of some parts, for example, one ruble was paid, then from March 1 there were already 85 kopecks, and next year 72 kopecks, etc. ”
    The question arises - and if 7 years in a row annually reduce prices, what happens? Tightening on 105%?


    A similar system was introduced under Stalin - while the product is new, not worked out in production - prices are 100%.
    In the second year, the decline - now I don’t remember the exact numbers, by the 5th year of production, the state buys the product at a price of 65% of the initial one - and this is true!
    During this time, mass production technology should be introduced, devices that reduce the cost of production. This encouraged the management of factories to increase production costs.
    The norm was considered the profitability of mass production - 3%. But many plants blocked this profitability by an order of magnitude - the state had to pay 30-40% or more.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 8 November 2017 09: 13 New
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      Those. reduce the cost of production of course.
      In a planned economy, the plant management does not make sense to strive for progress, for cheaper products (lower costs), since their salaries and bonuses depended only on the fulfillment of the plan, so the reduction in costs by years of production was also laid down in the plan.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 8 November 2017 11: 59 New
      +1
      in different articles the accounting and finance bays laid additional housing construction + vouchers and camp site repairs + roads + sponsorship for schools (including repairs) and rural households
      and at the top they understood it, ministerial auditors see essentially such transfusions from one article to others.
      GL-CITIES ARE BUILDING AND PEOPLE IMPROVING LIVING
  14. uwzek
    uwzek 9 November 2017 23: 53 New
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    Quote: urman
    laughing laughing
    Quote: igor67
    .After me sat stupidly with a stopwatch

    We hid behind the machines and clocked from afar so that the machine operators did not see.
    1. uwzek
      uwzek 9 November 2017 23: 56 New
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      And where did you see the machines in 760 and 765 that the normalizer was able to hide behind?
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      2. urman
        urman 10 November 2017 18: 31 New
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        I don’t know how it is now, and there and there were turning and milling and drilling. Of course not in such numbers as in the met processing workshops.
        And in the 750 tower, there were also even more than 765.
  15. xomaNN
    xomaNN 10 November 2017 17: 51 New
    +3
    He himself worked in the military-industrial complex during the Union. Not on the machine, of course :) But at the final stages of the delivery-adjustment-delivery of PP products. And at the p / a ship industry and aircraft industry. Undoubtedly, PP and OTIZ normalizers, etc. norms tightened. But! Initially, p / I paid for military products with interest and working in the factories of the military-industrial complex was more profitable than in civilian institutions.
  16. PKTRL
    PKTRL 11 November 2017 00: 52 New
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    Quote: Pivot
    This was absolutely correct, now it is called gentle production, measures to increase productivity without investing in capital goods. At the time of the hegemony of the pletarerat, this was the only thing that the OTC had to do. It had to be very powerful, only this way high performance and quality were achieved.

    Oh, fool ..! fool. Lean .., but not careful, times. Never use Termini unless you know their definition — two. In Russian, an animated object-three can be thrifty. Do not follow the blind lectures of the four managers. hi