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Concern "Constellation" will begin production of laptops for security forces

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Concern "Constellation" (as part of the combined holding "Roselectronica" State Corporation Rostec) in the first quarter of 2018, will begin to release a new personal portable computer belonging to the category of dual-use products, the press service of the concern


The product is distinguished by resistance to external factors, such as vibration, shock, high (+ 50 ° С) and low (-40 ° С) temperatures, atmospheric precipitation. Notebook dimensions in the folded state are 41,3 cm in length, 32,4 cm in width, 6,2 cm in thickness. At the moment, computers with a screen diagonal 15,6 inches are launched into production, in the future 17-inches are planned. The product is equipped with a powerful modern processor. Depending on the configuration, the computers will be equipped with Wi-Fi, GPS-GLONASS, 3G-LTE, video camera and other additional options. Also included are a vibration-absorbing platform and a sealed plastic case.
- said in a message to the address of the "Military Outlook".

Concern "Constellation" will begin production of laptops for security forces


Due to the presence of a domestic operating system and a trusted boot module, which protects against unauthorized access to confidential information, the computer complies with the requirements of the Federal Service for Technical and Export Control imposed on computer equipment that processes secret information.

Concern plans to reorganize the production area for mass production of laptops. In the second quarter of 2018, special equipment will be launched to apply a protective coating for aluminum parts, as well as domestic measuring and testing equipment to monitor the functioning of computers. After the release of the first batch of products is also expected to install equipment and the development of technology for the manufacture of parts made of silicone (keyboard, seals, etc.). The production of the bulk of the necessary components will be made on our own site using Russian raw materials. Due to this, it is planned to achieve high localization of production.

The first batch of laptops designed for the Ministry of Defense has been designed specifically for the customer’s tactical and technical requirements. The computer can also be used by power structures for solving various control problems in the field.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 2 November 2017 14: 59
    +6
    Concern "Constellation" will begin production of laptops for security forces
    Cursed this laptop. Neither Odnoklassniki to you, let alone tanks to drive in the service recourse laughing
    Well, at least in VO it will be possible to go out on it? repeat
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 November 2017 15: 16
      +5
      But it’s necessary to serve in the service. Even in our civilian enterprise you won’t be spoiled with traffic ..
      Quote: Observer2014
      Concern "Constellation" will begin production of laptops for security forces
      Cursed this laptop. Neither Odnoklassniki to you, let alone tanks to drive in the service recourse laughing
      Well, at least in VO it will be possible to go out on it? repeat
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 2 November 2017 15: 28
        +4
        210ox
        .Even with us at a civilian enterprise you will not get naughty with traffic ..
        I beg you. If the mountain does not go to Magomed. Then Magomed goes to the mountain. Put your modem into the computer or through your phone and Ales Gut. Go through the tyrnet until the end of the night shift. And by the drum to that limit traffic. bully Here another. Here OS "bastard" laughing
        1. sir_obs
          sir_obs 2 November 2017 16: 00
          +3
          You block access to all ports and put there at least a hell. Cellular communication is also not difficult to cut, if such a task is set.
          Directors often turn to us to limit their employees there or to monitor who is working and how.
          In my opinion, everything is quite simple, we must take those who really work and evaluate the work not by the amount of time spent, but by the result. And if people do the work twice as fast that time remains for the games, well, let him play. Or offer him an allowance and toss some more work, but to someone who just beats the fool.
          1. reservist
            reservist 2 November 2017 16: 25
            0
            I agree with the assessment of employees on the result,
            but there are also on-duty workers who go on shift ...
          2. Mylenef
            Mylenef 3 November 2017 18: 58
            0
            If a person does work twice as fast, the temptation is great for the authorities to give work twice as much
        2. reservist
          reservist 2 November 2017 16: 04
          0
          in addition to software port blocking, it was possible to meet just epoxy-flooded ports ...
          1. sir_obs
            sir_obs 2 November 2017 16: 26
            +1
            This is already too much. For advanced customers, we offer simple solutions, such as a thin client.
            The user only has a console in the form of clavs and monics. Nothing more, access by plastic card or fingerprint. The server determines the brow and gives it access only to where it should be. Nothing else to insert anywhere. And iron is simpler, there is nothing superfluous and with a slft, all on servers.
            1. reservist
              reservist 2 November 2017 16: 34
              0
              it’s not always possible to put absolutely all software on the server
              for example, if the user needs a vpn client ...
        3. 210ox
          210ox 2 November 2017 18: 28
          0
          And we have video surveillance bastard ..
          Quote: Observer2014
          210ox
          .Even with us at a civilian enterprise you will not get naughty with traffic ..
          I beg you. If the mountain does not go to Magomed. Then Magomed goes to the mountain. Put your modem into the computer or through your phone and Ales Gut. Go through the tyrnet until the end of the night shift. And by the drum to that limit traffic. bully Here another. Here OS "bastard" laughing
    2. reservist
      reservist 2 November 2017 16: 02
      +1
      For some reason I remembered:
      The border. Night. Railroad station. Customs inspection of a passenger train. The door in the compartment swings open and the customs officer begins to conduct an oral survey of uninvited passengers:
      - Weapons, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes ...
      Here, a not sober passenger from the upper shelf comments:
      - You need to have your own!


      For social networks and tanks, you can, if permissible, bring your gadget and not add viruses to the office computer ...
    3. Black water
      Black water 2 November 2017 16: 07
      0
      That's just what you can drive into tanks))) for an adult like that ... for adult tanks))) .. a good topic, let's see what they can do compared to "foreign" tablets
    4. BMP-2
      BMP-2 2 November 2017 16: 43
      +2
      Well, why immediately "cursed"? But coffee can be poured onto the keyboard as much as you like! This plus outweighs all the other cons!
      1. notingem
        notingem 2 November 2017 18: 46
        +2
        By the way, a good idea. Laptop for the ladies. It works even after washing
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 2 November 2017 18: 48
          +2
          I think he will be popular not only in women's battalions! drinks
  2. Zhelezyakin
    Zhelezyakin 2 November 2017 15: 02
    +4
    And what is the domestic OS?
    1. AVA77
      AVA77 2 November 2017 15: 07
      +1
      There are many different, vskidka, Ross
    2. panther
      panther 2 November 2017 19: 24
      0
      I work in the constellation concern. We here put on military laptops MSVS (Mobile system of the Armed Forces). Cropped Linux. Byak.
      1. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 3 November 2017 10: 05
        +3
        Sorrow of course ... But as they say, - "The road will overcome the road!" KTay, over there, I started with sneakers)))
  3. okko077
    okko077 2 November 2017 15: 09
    +8
    This is pleasing, although there are no characteristics ... But the fate of the other system that this concern produces is more interesting - it is the Sozvezdie-M ESU. This is a shameful page in the life of the military-industrial complex of the country and the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense, about which it is constantly silent. Why billions of rubles were thrown out of the budget, why the President’s program to equip the armed forces with command and control systems, including network-centric channels, was not implemented ... And the deadline was set until 2020, this was at the beginning of development in 2000 ... Where is Gerasimov, who He adopted this system in 2013, and how will he be responsible for it? Where did the ESU TK Sozvezdie-M kits, which were produced before 2017, go, even though they are useless and never worked ... Have they already been scrapped? Someone think we have one victory? That we do not throw billions in the army into the wind? ... Here's an example, they used to shoot for it, but now how?
    1. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 2 November 2017 15: 14
      +4
      Has much changed since the early 2000s? Unfortunately, almost all of the main “saws” of the budget either sat and sit in their places or dispersed horizontally. The question is of paramount importance - to use the money allocated by the state budget and not to complete the task, this is already secondary.
    2. WUA 518
      WUA 518 2 November 2017 16: 28
      +1
      Quote: okko077
      This is pleasing, although there are no characteristics.

      It’s not even a matter of characteristics. The scope of its application is incomprehensible .....
      Will it be integrated into the information system, or just an expensive toy with Google Maps?
    3. panther
      panther 2 November 2017 19: 34
      +1
      For a long time the concern has not had a CEO who understands something in this area. Since 2012, the company was managed by Bekiev Azret Yusupovich, a former deputy of the State Duma, with an economic education. The main thing for him is margin. Here he was engaged in profit. Dismissed 1000 people in the first year, created a couple of privileged departments for cutting, where the children of the bosses work, and the salary is 5 times higher than in the regular department. Here they are engaged in this system. This year, the general was removed, but they can’t find a replacement, every month a new director. So you yourself understand.
    4. thinker
      thinker 2 November 2017 22: 10
      0
      But the fate of the other system that this concern produces is more interesting - this is ESU TK "Sozvezdie-M"

      I looked, the pictures are beautiful. It’s a pity that only pictures.
      https://topwar.ru/7866-ptk-asu-tz-sozvezdie-2m.ht
      ml
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 2 November 2017 15: 15
    0
    But what about ours with our own iron, when, in the framework of already exhausting import substitution, its iron will be completely its own? ?? How are we with microchips? How is the software? ?? belay
    1. starogil
      starogil 2 November 2017 15: 23
      +3
      As well as with "Armata", T-50, engines for MS - 21, T-50, turbines for power plants
      in Crimea, etc. etc.......
    2. okko077
      okko077 2 November 2017 15: 29
      0
      With hardware and software, everything is fine with us. I would like it better, but already fine .. But with the brains of the generals in the Ministry of Defense, everything is as always ... Marasmatics who survived from the mind, with rare exceptions, who lagged behind life and military reality forever ... You look at the picture ... Why are there laptops? One is looking through binoculars, the second is talking on the phone .... And then they ask: why do the generals in Syria die and what did he do at the front line? Managed by hand, as in the 2nd World War ... For show, they should be in the control centers of the Combat Information Systems .. We have no centers or systems ... Our Army is not ready for a modern war without nuclear weapons .. .. We have no fundamental lag for the creation of LSI, our generals have different substances instead of brains, otherwise how can we explain this state of affairs?
      1. sir_obs
        sir_obs 2 November 2017 16: 12
        +3
        Do not blindly believe in progress.
        It even came to the Americans, in that very short time, that we were "probable friends" often we were to them on ships, then they were to us. As a result, they actively began to re-take from us the "primitive" methods of navigation and calculating maneuvering on paper maps and tablets, using hand tools as if they were old.
        It's all cool when on the electronic map, the system leads you through the satellite, and you stand and rejoice. But this is fraught, even in a purely peaceful time, and in the bob it can end fatally.
        A piece of paper and a pencil, a more reliable tool in some circumstances, if you attach the head and hands to them.
    3. 1vlad19
      1vlad19 2 November 2017 15: 32
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      And ka with our iron

      OK, percent Baikal
    4. panther
      panther 2 November 2017 19: 42
      +2
      Chinese hardware, your software. MSVS as an OS.
  5. private person
    private person 2 November 2017 15: 16
    +2
    They will receive loot from the state for development and release, and ultimately order on Aliexpress they will draw a star on the lid and call it a super new development. And the loot will be divided.
    1. ODERVIT
      ODERVIT 2 November 2017 15: 37
      0
      So without knowledge of the issue? Blur and calm down? This laptop is waiting for many.
      1. private person
        private person 2 November 2017 16: 42
        +3
        Read the comments maybe they are waiting for him (laptop) BUT will they wait for exactly what they are waiting for?
        1. panther
          panther 2 November 2017 19: 44
          +2
          I myself work in the Constellation, and I also doubt that we will pull.

          P.S. I have nothing to do with this project. We always bought protected laptops for the army in special version in China. The quality is good, as is the price (high).
  6. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 2 November 2017 15: 29
    0
    The question of price has remained open not by chance hi
    If ours manages to sell an outdated PC in state structures for 400 slanting, then God himself ordered to heat the military.
    1. panther
      panther 2 November 2017 19: 47
      0
      The usual price is 250 thousand.
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 November 2017 15: 29
    +6
    There was a joke in Soviet times:
    ... For officers of the Soviet army developed a version of the cube - Rubik. And for the younger composition - one-color, for the senior - monolithic ...
    This one will also be monolithic?)))
    1. okko077
      okko077 2 November 2017 15: 43
      +1
      I do not agree. In our army, most of the officers are normal, decent people who are ready to give everything for their homeland and fulfill their duty. But for the generals this is already not enough, they must still be able to win, and in a modern war almost without losses ... They must think, and not just, but better than all ... Once the highest generals have already ruined the great country of the USSR, but who doesn’t know, the army first collapsed, or rather its top command staff .. It became clear back in 1989 at the First (and last) All-Army Officer Meeting ...
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 2 November 2017 15: 58
        +2
        Hmm ... Your sense of humor is general ....
  8. Sergey53
    Sergey53 2 November 2017 15: 48
    +4
    When I read that ours began to produce something from electronics, it becomes joyfully in my soul. We were very far behind her.
    1. Yura
      Yura 2 November 2017 17: 22
      0
      Quote: Sergey53
      When I read that ours began to produce something from electronics, so my heart joyfully becomes

      Me too.
      Quote: Sergey53
      We were very far behind her.

      Not always and not everywhere.
    2. groks
      groks 2 November 2017 20: 59
      +1
      Now ahead? Once again, I propose to give me a link to the sale of domestic electronic components. You don’t need anything like that - electrolytic capacitors, any transistors in general.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 2 November 2017 21: 08
        +7
        Quote: groks
        Once again, I propose to give me sales link domestic electronic components

        The second time I'm trying to convey to you: domestic electronic components for domestic use are not a "priority", their number ... not even the sixteenth.
        How do the Chinese-Koreans and other Malaysia not satisfy you? Just like in that joke:
        ... from the audience:
        Male voice: - Satisfies everyone, but does not satisfy him ...
        Female voice: - And nobody satisfies him !!

        The whole world lives on these manufactures ... but just give it to you ... "not eaten yet" (c) Strugatsky.
        1. groks
          groks 2 November 2017 21: 36
          +1
          1. Under state defense orders it is highly desirable to minimize imports. And it is not at all advisable to a household.
          2. In which case, I really do not want to be left without components and, therefore, without products. What is not an armageddian. What is simply the cessation of supplies, since there are serious manufacturers of components for TNCs. And if we consider sanctions as a real way of pressure, then deliveries can stop at any time.
          So where to buy?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 2 November 2017 21: 55
            +7
            Quote: groks
            So where to buy?

            Nowhere request
            You see ... they’re selling it exactly to the "home." Nobody sells what goes under the state defense order. Unless the rejection (as in the Union, and it was, by the way. Remember, transistors "with an asterisk", probably).
            Quote: groks
            1. Under state defense order it is very desirable to minimize imports

            Verily. But here it is necessary to start not with capacitors, but with processors.
            They begin with them, and, according to rumors, there are certain successes.
            I repeat - at
            Quote: groks
            ... domestic electronic components ...

            a la
            Quote: groks
            ... electrolytic capacitors, any transistors in general

            priority is sixteenth. Someday, maybe they will, but I’m personally unlikely to live to see it. laughing
            Quote: groks
            In which case, I really do not want to be left without components and, therefore, without products. What is not an armageddian. What is simply the cessation of supply, since serious manufacturers of components for TNCs

            Siemens, for example, with its turbines (something they quickly calmed down, don’t you?).
            Competition with ...
            In addition, a great variety of schemes for the purchase of various needs bypassing sanctions existed even during the USSR. For some reason I do not think that they are forgotten.
            Quote: groks
            ... deliveries may stop at any time

            Very unlikely, IMHO.
            1. groks
              groks 2 November 2017 21: 59
              0
              It is good to grind with tongue. We are on the GOZ, we have everything with stars and rhombs.
              Where to buy?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 2 November 2017 22: 03
                +7
                Quote: groks
                Grind well

                Rude is harmful.
                Quote: groks
                We are on the GOZ, we have everything with stars and rhombs. Where can I buy?

                Without the slightest concept. You won’t find it in free sale.

                You started with
                Quote: groks
                Do not need anything like that - electrolytic capacitors, transistors any at all

                Now, it turns out, it is necessary "with rhombs."
                I repeat - without a clue. Used to take it somewhere? Look there too. With stars and rhombs.
                And nefig here military questions to ask stop
                1. groks
                  groks 2 November 2017 22: 08
                  0
                  Trolling is bad. We took and take in Belarus. There, without any HSP, they simply kept production.
                  So where to buy something - a brekhologist?
                  But here it is necessary to start not with capacitors, but with processors.

                  It is right. What should I do without tying them? Hang on the neck and walk, be proud. However, they are Taiwanese, so there is nothing special to be proud of.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 2 November 2017 22: 15
                    +7
                    Quote: groks
                    Trolling is bad

                    And who is the troll here? IMHO you ...
                    Quote: groks
                    So where to buy?

                    Quote: groks
                    Where to buy?

                    Quote: groks
                    We took and take in Belarus

                    About how belay
                    Why then ask questions? Purely catch up text, hike laughing
                    But being rude is harmful, to strangers is especially harmful.
                    1. groks
                      groks 3 November 2017 08: 35
                      0
                      Trollism. Tied up.
  9. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 2 November 2017 16: 03
    +4
    Quote: Zhelezyakin
    And what is the domestic OS?

    Depends on iron. Most likely Linux will be screwed. And more is not necessary for functionality.
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 November 2017 16: 17
    +2
    If this is true, then where is the laptop for civilians?
    1. panther
      panther 2 November 2017 19: 50
      +2
      I'm afraid that the price will not be for ordinary mortals, but the most ordinary functional.
    2. bk316
      bk316 3 November 2017 18: 45
      +2
      Why the hell do you need such a brick and even with linuh? Money nowhere to go? You complained that there is not enough.
  11. kalabaha
    kalabaha 2 November 2017 16: 27
    +1
    The main thing is that the scarf and the spider start
  12. Barshchik-M
    Barshchik-M 2 November 2017 16: 30
    +4
    In all state. such institutions need to be delivered, because everything is domestic!
    1. private person
      private person 2 November 2017 16: 45
      +3
      You open the lid and you will find the inscriptions on the cards of honey of origin. Domestic only can be tables.
      1. Barshchik-M
        Barshchik-M 2 November 2017 16: 59
        +6
        Quote: private person
        You open the lid and you will find the inscriptions on the cards of honey of origin. Domestic only can be tables.

        I opened it and I know ... There are domestic processors, the OS and everything else can be produced with us, we are no more dumb than the Chinese, it’s just a troublesome task to implement and create our own .. It’s easier to buy and weld on rollbacks. That’s the whole problem!
        And Dimon, the Pokemon is still .. Why should he have extra problems, because the introduction of a new one needs to be wound around the country, negotiations, negotiations, etc.

        But Putin is also good, no, to change the government to serious men of business executives of the old school ..
        1. bk316
          bk316 3 November 2017 18: 46
          +2
          not to change the government to serious men of business executives of the old school ..

          Late. They are no longer with us .....
          1. Barshchik-M
            Barshchik-M 3 November 2017 19: 11
            +4
            Quote: bk316
            not to change the government to serious men of business executives of the old school ..

            Late. They are no longer with us .....

            Everyone was rotten ... And now the deck is shuffled in Moscow!
  13. basmach
    basmach 2 November 2017 17: 06
    +3
    I have a question whose offal and matrix are on the monitor.
    1. telobezumnoe
      telobezumnoe 3 November 2017 22: 53
      0
      either Malaysia or China, our most likely only specialized connectors are screwed. they are all on intellects, either the axis of the msvs or astara linux. they have not yet crossed over to Elbrus or Baikals, and are unlikely to transfer until Elbrus can compete with the atom. desktop pc.
  14. Going
    Going 2 November 2017 17: 24
    +9
    Due to the presence of a domestic operating system and a trusted boot module, which protects against unauthorized access to confidential information, the computer complies with the requirements of the Federal Service for Technical and Export Control imposed on computer equipment that processes secret information.


    But they will never tell us about this, but I would like to look at least at OS
    1. panther
      panther 2 November 2017 19: 53
      +1
      OS MSVS. I’m sure you won’t like it. Everything is cut off.
      1. Going
        Going 2 November 2017 20: 10
        +9
        So I'm not for liking, but purely functional.
    2. bk316
      bk316 3 November 2017 18: 52
      +2
      I would like to look at least at O.S.

      Take any linukh, cut it the most can not and look. Do you want I can give our version based on thinstation. Do not be pampered
      1. Going
        Going 3 November 2017 18: 55
        +9
        Quote: bk316
        Do you want I can give our version based on thinstation. Do not be pampered


        No I do not want to. hi
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 2 November 2017 18: 21
    0
    Quote: okko077
    This is pleasing, although there are no characteristics ... But the fate of the other system that this concern produces is more interesting - it is the Sozvezdie-M ESU. This is a shameful page in the life of the military-industrial complex of the country and the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense, about which it is constantly silent. Why billions of rubles were thrown out of the budget, why the President’s program to equip the armed forces with command and control systems, including network-centric channels, was not implemented ... And the deadline was set until 2020, this was at the beginning of development in 2000 ... Where is Gerasimov, who He adopted this system in 2013, and how will he be responsible for it? Where did the ESU TK Sozvezdie-M kits, which were produced before 2017, go, even though they are useless and never worked ... Have they already been scrapped? Someone think we have one victory? That we do not throw billions in the army into the wind? ... Here's an example, they used to shoot for it, but now how?

    And now the "golden parachute" ... sad
  16. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 2 November 2017 18: 38
    0
    Can nails be hammered with them?
    1. panther
      panther 2 November 2017 19: 54
      0
      In the constellation concern, all cases make them iron or aluminum. I think you can :)
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 2 November 2017 21: 06
        0
        Yes, I think so too. I saw their products at SvyazExpoCom exhibitions several times. The truth in life did not happen.
        1. panther
          panther 2 November 2017 21: 30
          0
          The main area of ​​concern is army communications. Up to launch management ICBMs. There, the stronger the better. Plastic may not stand it. But we don’t produce anything for the citizen. And these laptops will not go to civilian life. For such a price, they will not be interesting to anyone.
          1. NN52
            NN52 2 November 2017 21: 48
            +7
            panther...
            Aren't you a troll?
            You and the ICBMs are in control ... I read and think .. you have what level of tolerance
            1. panther
              panther 2 November 2017 22: 27
              +1
              I was in the rocket units from the concern. And you think how the signal from the president’s red button hits the launcher, by wi-fi? A circle of rockets in the mine pile of drawers, made in Concern Constellation. The tolerance level is second.
              1. NN52
                NN52 2 November 2017 23: 01
                +7
                And I realized that the civilian ....
                Wi-fi in your head ..
                And with the admission, you laughed ///
                Apparently, they were also engaged in drawers ...
                1. panther
                  panther 2 November 2017 23: 07
                  0
                  Yeah, laughed. The first is only at the highest authorities. But maybe I’ll get better;)
              2. basmach
                basmach 3 November 2017 21: 34
                0
                Dear, the second level is top secret. This level is obtained at the school. Of course, I did not serve in the Strategic Rocket Forces only in the Air Force. And there, even those who participate in the special suspension, also have a second. But when I, after overclocking the regiment, ended up in another part, I got the 1 form (it is limited for 10 years), and the rule applies with this level, you know only what is directly in your circle of duties and you are silent, like a fish on ice, who served as "deaf-mute" will confirm.,. And so that you, yes with the second form, yes to the holy of holies.
                1. panther
                  panther 3 November 2017 22: 11
                  0
                  Dear, do not confuse the army with a citizen. When applying for a job at a research institute, two months of verification in the FSB, then after a couple of months you pass an exam on the admission form. If you want to go abroad, then you take the third group. But she will not be allowed into secret objects. Therefore, engineers are forced to get a second group. They let her go wherever she needs to. The head of the department does not even have the first one, because it is not needed. In principle, I do not deal with secrets, and our development is not secret, but it is operated in missile units, so I have to go.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 22: 19
                    +8
                    Quote: Panther
                    Dear, do not confuse ...

                    ... an admission form with some kind of "group".
                    Groups in kindergarten ...
                    Quote: Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of February 6, 2010 N 63 (as amended by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 01.11.2012 N 1123)
                    4. In accordance with the degrees of secrecy of information constituting a state secret, the following forms of citizens' admission to state secret are established:
                    the first form is for citizens admitted to information of special importance;
                    the second form is for citizens admitted to top secret information;
                    the third form is for citizens admitted to secret information.

                    Access of citizens to information constituting a state secret is permitted only if they have access to state secret in the appropriate form. The fact that citizens have access to information of a higher degree of secrecy is the basis for their access to information of a lower degree of secrecy
                    1. panther
                      panther 3 November 2017 22: 29
                      0
                      We are at work either in form or in the admission group, and we are used to it. Correctly of course the form. Answer the question, why should a simple engineer who just goes to the software part change the non-secret, or remove the board from the non-secret product and insert another, why does he need the first form of clearance? And why won't they let him in with the second form? That's interesting.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 22: 34
                        +8
                        Quote: Panther
                        Answer the question why a simple engineer, ...

                        BMP
                        Without the slightest concept, that is.
                        I once had a third (he worked after the institute in the General General Office). The head of the department had a second one (a funny statement then was, by the way: “... a department where Comrade Ivanov is the head.” The department number was not called laughing )
                        It was a long time ago, and now it’s almost not true (s).
                        And we still called form yes
                  2. basmach
                    basmach 4 November 2017 02: 44
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                    Listen, we didn’t even let the divisional commander into the lokalka unaccompanied, although we served his regiment (but the divisions did not obey), not to mention going to the facilities. And he also had the 1 form, but he was not supposed to know, that he did not know. And when you tell me that your development is not secret, but the launch depends on it. I drew a stand in part, it was all from open access, and he was "Sov. Secret."
                    1. panther
                      panther 4 November 2017 10: 41
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                      I did not say that the launch depends on my development (it does not depend). But I know where it depends, where it stands, and even know the people who developed it. I did not write that I went somewhere, but I know those who went. Everything that is installed in the "holy of holies" immediately usually does not work. Engineers from the factory come to serve, except for them no one will do this work. You come to the object on your own business, and there are still a bunch of your engineers running around, and everything is generally visible and understandable.
  17. rumatam
    rumatam 2 November 2017 19: 43
    +4
    and will be gathered in the Middle Kingdom .........................
  18. kaserog
    kaserog 2 November 2017 20: 25
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    Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
    not to change the government to serious men of business executives of the old school ..

    they already worked on the collapse of the country am am by the way, like the new ones in the government am am
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2017 23: 48
      +1
      And what is the current ruined?
  19. Awaz
    Awaz 2 November 2017 20: 59
    +1
    it’s not the first one to be announced, and does anyone know if they created at least one sample from past desires? all this is sad. banal cut. They will put a cheap Chinese beech in a piece of iron, make ten pieces, which they will show on the TV set and throw where the thread is in the warehouses.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2017 23: 50
      +1
      They will not put it in, the Chinese will not miss the military acceptance, everything is only of Russian production - especially since these computers will also be in the Strategic Missile Forces.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 5 November 2017 16: 41
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        something is not believed. this office already bungled something, but still nothing works. Absolutely left office, which is engaged in that PR and budget loot steals
  20. Cobra77
    Cobra77 3 November 2017 03: 59
    +1
    Quote: Panther
    I work in the constellation concern. We here put on military laptops MSVS (Mobile system of the Armed Forces). Cropped Linux. Byak.


    That is to say the least - byak. This is a freak to look for more. Astra linuh will be more decent.
  21. Cobra77
    Cobra77 3 November 2017 04: 09
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    Quote: Sergey53
    When I read that ours began to produce something from electronics, it becomes joyfully in my soul. We were very far behind her.


    And ours did not begin to produce. Little has changed. Chinese iron, except for the case, is not a fact. OS is one of the clones of Linux. Application software is partly banal open source builds, partly the truth is there are also written ones in the Russian Federation. We have bad electronics, in the 90s and zero, the Soviet was completely killed, but they did not get a new one and are unlikely to start it in the foreseeable future. Of course there are attempts in the form of Elbrus, but vague doubts torment me as a specialist in this field ....
  22. Cobra77
    Cobra77 3 November 2017 04: 18
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    They will not put it in, the Chinese will not miss the military acceptance, everything is only of Russian production - especially since these computers will also be in the Strategic Missile Forces.


    How would you know that an acceptance misses with a piece of paper about a “special investigation” you would be very surprised. Anyway, there aren’t any particular options. There is no Russian-made electronics. There is a Chinese with a nameplate made in rush. More precisely, something is being held here. But mostly lousy quality, for expensive and old. There are no miracles. If the industry is ruined for a couple of decades, then the new one just doesn’t appear like that, especially without doing anything for it ...
  23. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 3 November 2017 18: 34
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    Quote: okko077
    This is pleasing, although there are no characteristics ... But the fate of the other system that this concern produces is more interesting - it is the Sozvezdie-M ESU. This is a shameful page in the life of the military-industrial complex of the country and the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense, about which it is constantly silent. Why billions of rubles were thrown out of the budget, why the President’s program to equip the armed forces with command and control systems, including network-centric channels, was not implemented ... And the deadline was set until 2020, this was at the beginning of development in 2000 ... Where is Gerasimov, who He adopted this system in 2013, and how will he be responsible for it? Where did the ESU TK Sozvezdie-M kits, which were produced before 2017, go, even though they are useless and never worked ... Have they already been scrapped? Someone think we have one victory? That we do not throw billions in the army into the wind? ... Here's an example, they used to shoot for it, but now how?

    It is time.
  24. panther
    panther 3 November 2017 23: 01
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    And we still called form yes

    We are not military, our discipline is lame, but so be it, I will call correctly;)

    Now in the accompanying documents everything is detailed. Relaxed. Yes, and all the schemes and even satellite photos of missile parts on the Internet have been posted. My colleague found. You can’t hide anything.