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Karimov in the center of Moscow and Russia in Uzbekistan

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Yesterday we wrote that in Kyrgyzstan, by the decision of President Almazbek Atambayev on November 7, they will celebrate the holiday in honor of the anti-Russian uprising of the year 1916. But no less surprise was presented to the Russians ... Moscow authorities. It became known that Moscow decided to establish a monument to the late President of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov. Islam Abduganievich Karimov (1938-2016), who passed away a year ago, ruled independent Uzbekistan for 25 years - from 1991 to 2016 years, until the last day of his life. But in fact, he headed the republic as early as 1989, becoming the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Uzbek SSR. Now in Moscow Islam Karimov decided to erect a monument - not far from the Embassy of Uzbekistan, in a public garden, which was also named after Karimov in November 2016.


Karimov in the center of Moscow and Russia in Uzbekistan


However, the decision of the Moscow authorities, approved by the Moscow City Duma, caused a negative reaction from many Muscovites and residents of other regions of the country. October 29 2017 of the year on Change.org appeared a petition against the installation of the monument. Its author believes that Islam Karimov did not have any merit before Moscow and the Muscovites to erect a monument in his honor. In addition, Karimov was not, according to the author of the petition, a friend of Russia and the Russian people. And this position is not completely unfounded.

Today, a huge Uzbek diaspora lives in Russia. There are natives of Uzbekistan in every city of the country. But they ended up here precisely because of the policy of the late Islam Karimov, in which Uzbekistan found itself in such a difficult economic situation, that millions of its citizens were forced to leave the country in search of earnings. This is about the Uzbeks themselves. As for the Russian and Russian-speaking population (Koreans, Armenians, Jews, Germans, Poles, and so on), they began to travel en masse from Uzbekistan immediately after the proclamation of the country's sovereignty - and precisely because of the nationalist leadership policy. The Meskhetian Turks were the first to flee from Uzbekistan after the notorious Fergana events. Although there were no pogroms of other nationalities in the country, conditions for the non-Uzbek population were far from being the best.

Islam Karimov really kept Uzbekistan in the “heels of mitts”, fighting with the slightest manifestations of opposition sentiments and, above all, with religious fundamentalists. It was them that he considered the main threat to his power and led the fight against them not for life, but for death. Therefore, Islam Karimov was considered the main partner of Russia in Central Asia in the fight against religious extremism, with the penetration of radicals from Afghanistan and Pakistan. But the defense of his power against political opponents, in which Karimov was strong, did not mean that he treated the Russian population of his country well and, in general, Russia as a state. Let's see what the power of Karimov is remembered for Russia and for the Russian population of Uzbekistan.

Russians appeared on the territory of modern Uzbekistan even in the pre-revolutionary era, settling mainly in Tashkent. At the beginning of the twentieth century there were a lot of Russians in Tashkent. They were civil servants, military, merchants, teachers and doctors, workers and artisans. In many ways, they identified the economic and social face of Turkestan. The influx of the Russian population, as well as representatives of other peoples into Uzbekistan, continued during the Soviet era. Many people were sent here by distribution - to work in enterprises, to serve in law enforcement bodies, to work in schools and hospitals. Their hands created the infrastructure, the remnants of which are still used today in post-Soviet Uzbekistan.

By 1989, the Russian population in the Uzbek SSR was 1,6 million people (9,3% of the population of the Uzbek SSR). In Tashkent, Russians made up 37% of the city’s population. Russians were one of the largest peoples of the republic along with Uzbeks, Tajiks, and Kazakhs. As in many other Central Asian republics, the Russians were joined by “Russian-speaking” - Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Germans, Jews, Armenians, Koreans, some Tatars. The attitude of the local population and the authorities to them after the proclamation of sovereignty was almost the same as that of the Russians. The riots in Fergana, the increase in crime, hooligan manifestations led to the fact that already from the end of the 1980-ies a gradual outflow of the Russian and Russian-speaking population began from Uzbekistan. He gained momentum as nationalist sentiments grew in Uzbekistan.



Life for the non-Uzbek population was getting harder and it was not at all a matter of worsening the economic situation. Already in the 1980-s, Russian and Russian-speaking people increasingly faced with the manifestations of domestic nationalism, and by the end of the 1980-s. they became simply intolerable - they raped girls, beat men and boys, insulted them and hinted at any occasion that they should leave the republic. Of course, the smallest, youngest and most aggressive part of the Uzbeks from the marginal environment took part in these antics, but this did not make it easier for the victims of oppression. Many cultural representatives of the Uzbek people themselves looked upon with horror at what their fellow tribesmen were doing, but could not prevent violence - as always, decent people in such situations turn out to be much weaker than the aggressive crowd united by nationalist slogans.

By the time of the events described, Uzbekistan was already headed by Islam Abduganievich Karimov. In 1989, he became the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Uzbekistan, and in 1990 - the president of the Uzbek SSR. After the proclamation of independence of Uzbekistan, Islam Karimov led a new republic. It is known that Islam Karimov was against the collapse of the Soviet Union. However, he was guided, of course, rather by economic considerations.

After the independence of the country was declared, the outflow of the Russian population increased even more. And many were forced to leave almost refugees. Due to the sharp deterioration of the economic situation, total poverty, the growth of nationalism, it was possible to sell apartments or houses for very little money, sometimes they just had to be thrown away, especially if it was a deaf Uzbek province. In Russia, immigrants often had to start their lives literally from scratch. Moreover, many of them lived in Uzbekistan for generations and practically had no relatives in Russia. Adaptation for many immigrants was very painful, especially since the Russian state made almost no efforts to alleviate the situation of immigrants. Many people are still trying in vain to obtain Russian citizenship, being Russian by nationality. Now they will have the opportunity to contemplate the face of Islam Karimov and in Moscow itself.

Naturally, the Uzbek authorities themselves in every way ignored discrimination against the Russian and Russian-speaking population in the republic. Islam Karimov continued to smile and embrace with the “big brothers” - Boris Nikolayevich, Vladimir Vladimirovich, Dmitry Anatolyevich, again with Vladimir Vladimirovich. Meanwhile, the facts spoke for themselves. By 2015, the Russian population in Uzbekistan decreased from 9,3% to 1,8% of the country's population, with the overwhelming majority of Russians remaining in Tashkent. Of course, a reduction in the percentage of Russians in 1989 and 2015. It was also caused by a very high birth rate among the Uzbek population, while among Russians in the republic the birth rate declined dramatically - the community began to grow old, the majority of young people left for Russia, and pensioners and middle-aged people remained.

Unlike Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, in Uzbekistan, the Russian language almost immediately began to be squeezed to the verge of cultural life. Although the Uzbeks themselves opposed this - they understood perfectly well that in those conditions, when more and more citizens of the country go to work in Russia, Russian is necessary. But the authorities, pursuing a nationalist policy, sought to eradicate everything connected with Russia and the Russians. In 1993, President Islam Karimov, who today is erected a monument in Moscow, signed the law "On the introduction of the Uzbek alphabet based on the Latin script." Moreover, the Latin alphabet in Uzbekistan didn’t get accustomed to the end - many Uzbeks still write Uzbek words in Cyrillic. Of course, the school curriculum on humanitarian subjects has undergone a total change. The country began a massive renaming of not only the streets and squares, named after Soviet and Russian statesmen, but also named after the great Russian scientists, writers, poets. So, in 2008 in Tashkent Pushkin Street was renamed into Independence Street. After 9 years, the Moscow authorities for some reason decided that for this and similar decisions Islam Karimov is worthy of a monument in the Russian capital.

As in many other post-Soviet republics, in an attempt to eradicate all the Russian government did not even spare history most of the Uzbek people. For example, in 2010, the Sobir Rakhimov district of Tashkent was renamed. The district was named in honor of Major General Sabir Rakhimov - Hero of the Soviet Union, during the Great Patriotic War, who commanded 37 Guards Rechitsa twice the Red Banner Order XUNX XI Kutuzov 2 X of the Bohdan Khmelnitsky 1 X. of the Belarusian Front. For some time in Uzbekistan, at the initiative of the authorities, they did not recommend celebrating 2 on May - even though tens of thousands of Uzbeks fought on the fronts of World War II, 2 Uzbeks received the high title of Heroes of the Soviet Union.

In 2017, the leadership of Uzbekistan decided to cancel the action "Immortal Regiment", which was supposed to pass 9 May. They explained their decision by the “difficult political situation”. However, a few days after the cancellation, apparently frightened by the public resonance, the authorities allowed the action, but not in the format of a procession, but the laying of wreaths and a festive concert.

In the center of Tashkent, a monument to the Friendship of Peoples was dismantled, which was installed in honor of the Tashkent blacksmith Shaakhmed Shamakhmudov and his wife Bahri Akramova, who adopted fifteen orphans from other republics of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War. During 2000 in Uzbekistan, almost all objects were renamed, named after the Uzbek playwright Hamza Hakim-zade Niyazi, including the Uzbek State Academic Drama Theater in Tashkent. That is, not only Russian names came under the pressure of the nationalist policy, but also the names in honor of the Uzbek activists, who sought friendship with the Russian people. The memory of everything Russian and Soviet was uprooted so diligently that they even began to demolish quite good buildings in Tashkent, replacing them with buildings in the "national style".

Modern heroes have appeared in modern Uzbekistan - for example, the same Basmachi who fought with the Soviet authorities and brutally cracked down on the Uzbeks themselves - teachers, Komsomol members, simply girls and women who went to study literacy or took a job. The younger generation, educated in the new ideological paradigm, in a large part of its attitude to Russia is much worse than the older Uzbeks who found the Soviet Union. Although Karimov seemed to have fought against religious extremists, but with his policy of de-Russification, the archaization of the country, the spread of nationalism, he actually prepared an excellent ground for the spread of religious-fundamentalist ideas among Uzbek youth. Actually, this is what we are seeing at the present time - more and more immigrants from Uzbekistan are adjacent to radical groups, fighting in the Middle East. This is also facilitated by the complete economic fiasco of the republic in combination with the harsh suppression of any dissent.



But perhaps Islam Karimov, at least in foreign policy, was located towards Russia? Far from it. If during 1990's Uzbekistan still somehow acted in the orbit of Russian influence, then with the start of the 2000s. from it finally fell. In 2001, Uzbekistan provided the United States with the opportunity to create a military base in Uzbek territory. What the British failed to achieve in 100-200 years ago was succeeded by the Americans under President Karimov. Uzbekistan tried to maneuver between Russia and the United States. More recently, when the Russian Aerospace Forces launched an anti-terrorist operation in Syria, Islam Karimov (then still alive) described it as nothing less than an adventure. In 2012, Uzbekistan withdrew from the Collective Security Treaty Organization, in which it was twice - in 1992-1999. and 2006-2012

Now Islam Abduganievich Karimov erect a monument in the center of Moscow. This honor was given to the head of state, under whose authority in Uzbekistan, during 25 years, almost all geographical names were renamed, streets, squares named after Russian historical figures, monuments of any Russian and Soviet (including Uzbeks by nationality) were removed or moved to the backyards personalities. But for some reason this circumstance is not taken into account by the metropolitan authorities.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 3 November 2017 06: 26 New
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    Moscow decided to erect a monument to the late President of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov.
    apparently, because not all Russians were killed there ... fool
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 3 November 2017 08: 31 New
      +6
      . So, in 2008 in Tashkent, Pushkin Street was renamed Independence Street.

      Sobyanin does not know who Pushkin is? but familiar with Karimov?
      no kidding-- we need huskies in domestic politics, there are already relatively many Uzbeks, we are talking about .... and the country (well, if with girls, and then with the other sex) without increasing the "Russian"

      About 10 years ago, a friend: asked the Tajik "what do you have there in Tajikistan? How is life?" Dir-r is building a company.
      - "Ah, the Chinese are climbing everywhere" —this builder went home on a "vacation"

      the whole world is not developing linearly - Uzbeks will take a monument to Karimov with them to Berlin in 30-50 years
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 3 November 2017 12: 58 New
        +5
        Another provocative article from the cycle of "our offended." In Central Asia, and in Tashkent in particular, there are enough Russian-speaking people, and no one offends them. And they themselves are not at all eager to move to Russia, where xenophobia is no less. Just the other day a video was streaming on the web. where a Russian man in Russia killed a Uzbek guy with a knife in the heart only on the basis that he tonsured him not well enough. Everyone has their own skeletons in the closet, so do not blame others. Thugs are everywhere.
        1. stas
          stas 3 November 2017 13: 54 New
          11
          This article is not a provocation, it is a statement of facts.
          Why do we need their late emir in Moscow.
          There, in Chur Uzbekistan, at any moment, the people turn into basmachi.
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH 3 November 2017 14: 33 New
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          So the conversation is not about individual scumbags. If everything would be fine there, then you would not be traveling from you, but to you. And you yourself, what are you talking about from a good homeland to an evil, wretched foreign land?
        3. Talgat
          Talgat 3 November 2017 17: 45 New
          +2
          I agree dear xetai9977
          The article is superficial

          This is not the point

          The essence of geopolitics

          If the Russian leadership wants to do this, then definitely not because of sentiment. There is no place for them in politics

          Most likely this is due to Russia's desire to consolidate its geopolitical position in Central Asia

          I only welcome - the more Russia is present here - the less money Kazakhstan needs to spend. We have been laden with it lately - both Kyrgyzstan and the fleet in the Caspian, etc.
        4. Black sniper
          Black sniper 6 November 2017 00: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          In Central Asia, and in Tashkent in particular, there are enough Russian-speaking people, and no one offends them. And they themselves are not at all eager to move to Russia, where xenophobia is no less.

          -All Russians want to leave for Russia from the former republics of the USSR, with the possible exception of Belarus or the accession of the northern regions to it. Another thing is that not everyone succeeds, including because of the domestic policy of Russia itself regarding the "Russian" migration to Russia. Obtaining Euro citizenship is often “Russian” easier than Russian, and they leave for Russia because they are spread rot everywhere, and the Russian language is perceived as something extremely ignorant and unacceptable ...
    2. Vend
      Vend 3 November 2017 09: 46 New
      12
      And what did he do this for Russia to put a monument to him in Moscow? Something is not visible initiative to erect a monument in Uzbekistan to our president.
      1. Cadet
        Cadet 3 November 2017 13: 45 New
        +2
        Be sure to install and justify the installation and chew on TV that he is our friend and the best pioneer and grandmothers across the street, and he will lay flowers at the guard of honor.
      2. serriy
        serriy 7 November 2017 13: 58 New
        +2
        This, if there will be a monument, is to the Uzbek guest workers and their leader. yes
        Type "leader, directing his people to work for white people." crying
        If so, it’s better immediately, one monument, and the Tajiks. good
        By the way, better in the market. drinks
        Or in his house Sobyanin who wants to perpetuate. fool There is nothing to ban our land with idols! negative negative
    3. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 3 November 2017 12: 43 New
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      The movements of our bosses are purposefully aimed at inciting hatred towards them. They’re trying in vain - they all hate them like mad dogs. They were freaks, freaks, and they will die in popular curses.
  2. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 3 November 2017 06: 37 New
    +9
    Maybe he could make a doll out of him? What was such an activist. And in general, after Poklonskaya’s ideas, and Sobchak, I won’t be surprised at anything. Moreover, the Asian diasporas in Moscow most likely break through this idea. They flocked there together with Caucasians like flies on .. .honey!
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 3 November 2017 08: 12 New
      +7
      Events from one row
      On June 1.16, 2016, a memorial plaque was opened in St. Petersburg to Karl Mannerheim, who was a lieutenant general of the Russian Empire, marshal, regent and president of Finland at different times, fought on the side of Russia in the First World War against Germany, and then on the side of the latter against the USSR in the Second World War by the blockade of Leningrad
      http://www.the-village.ru/village/city/asking-que
      stion / 239071-mannerheim
      The memorial plaque was attended by the special envoy of the President of the Russian Federation for environmental protection, ecology and transport, Sergei Ivanov and the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky. According to Ivanov, the people don’t know their history ??? "our people, unfortunately, often either don’t know the story, or even when they learn some particular facts, they don’t want to admit them point blank." "A very narrow, marginal part of the population, represented by such an unregistered party as The Other Russia, protested against establishing a memorial sign to Mannerheim," Ivanov said
      http://tass.ru/obschestvo/3712050
      On March 2.1, 2016 in St. Petersburg, Kirill Alexandrov defended his dissertation “Generals and Officers of the Armed Forces of the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia 1943-1946”. In his work, Aleksandrov figured out who, how and why adjoined collaborators from the Vlasov army who fought against the USSR During the Second World War.
      In October 2017, the order of the Ministry of Education and Science: “To cancel the decision of the dissertation council D 002.200.01 of March 1, 2016 No. 6 on awarding the degree of Doctor of Historical Sciences Kirill Alexandrov. Refuse him to issue a Doctor of Science diploma ”, ..
      So this monument to Karimov in Moscow ..
      "" “The war will end, everything will somehow settle down, settle down. And we will throw everything that we have - all gold, all material power to fool and fool people. The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them to believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself. Episode by episode will be played out with a grandiose scale tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people, the final, irreversible fading of their self-identity. For example, we will gradually erase their social essence from literature and art, wean artists, we will discourage them from engaging in image ... research of those processes, that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings. We will in every way support and glorify the so-called artists who will instill and hammer into the human mind the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal, in a word, all immorality. In government, we will create chaos and confusion. We will quietly, but actively and constantly contribute to the tyranny of officials, bribe takers, and unscrupulousness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal. Nationalism and hostility of peoples, primarily hostility and hatred of the Russian people - all this will blossom in a double color. And only a few, very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughing stock, find a way to slander them and declare them to be the scum of society. We will dig up spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of spiritual morality. We will take on people from childhood, youth, we will make the main bet on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it. We will make of them cynics, vulgarities, cosmopolitans.

      Allen Dulles, 1945. ”










      September 8, 20 16 g at the request of the people, the board was dismantled.
    2. Fox
      Fox 3 November 2017 08: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Moreover, the Asian diasporas in Moscow are most likely breaking through this idea.

      not ... they tore three button accordions when Karimov was buried, and three more when they squeezed his daughter ... not from a good life, they go to Russia ... these are the "ideas" of our "authorities" to clamp the Russian-speaking population.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 November 2017 06: 39 New
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    Yesterday, I expressed my opinion on this matter - if anyone has such a “burn”, then stand in the Yeltsin Center.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 3 November 2017 06: 57 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Yesterday, I expressed my opinion on this matter - if anyone has such a “burn”, then stand in the Yeltsin Center.

      That's right, Comrade Rotmister, so that in one fell swoop and demolish everything ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 3 November 2017 07: 01 New
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        Frankly, for some reason I did not think about it. But it’s true - at no extra cost and at once.
        1. Mik13
          Mik13 3 November 2017 07: 43 New
          16
          In fact, such figures of the era of the collapse of the USSR, monuments should be put in the station toilets of the country. Right in the urinals. To each - a bust with a sign. It will be fair. And the floor is cleaner - visitors will miss less ...
          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 3 November 2017 11: 33 New
            +7
            Quote: Mik13
            Right in the urinals. To each - a bust with a sign. It will be fair. And the floor is cleaner - visitors will miss less ...

            Just like that I see the slogan over this action: "Express your attitude to these people! Do not spill a drop by!"
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 3 November 2017 07: 15 New
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    Uzbeks are a hardworking, relatively peaceful people. But let them live on their land. The press scares China and the United States to enter Central Asia. Let them "enter": China is already in Russia already, and the Americans have already appeared on ancient Russian lands on the western border ... The hopeless "deflections" of the Russian leadership before the "partners" are from weakness.
    1. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 3 November 2017 10: 42 New
      +3
      Uzbeks are a hardworking, relatively peaceful people.

      According to various estimates, the number of Uzbeks in the IG ranges from several hundred to several thousand people. Organization "Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan" announced its accession to the IG. Uzbeks arrive in the Islamic State from Uzbekistan and a number of regions of Kyrgyzstan with the Uzbek population. At the initial stage of the conflict in 2013-2014, ethnic Uzbeks became the most visible group from Central Asia inside the Islamic State.
      IG is a banned organization in the Russian Federation.
  5. ADmA_RUS
    ADmA_RUS 3 November 2017 07: 18 New
    +1
    All clear. Where are the offers with specific actions?
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 6 November 2017 00: 45 New
      +2
      All Russians who want to go to Russia - to accept and remove delays with citizenship!
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 3 November 2017 07: 54 New
    +9
    Dzhokhar Dudaev and his comrades need to erect a memorial .. And also, to all the first presidents of all the former Soviet republics ... Otherwise, only Karimov .. others will be offended ...
  7. Mihail29
    Mihail29 3 November 2017 07: 57 New
    16
    The Russians are not in Russia, not in other countries, living well will not work until we have such an “Elite”. They wipe their feet about us, spit in the face and even kill, and ours are ready for any dialogue, write off debts, erect monuments, give loans at 2%, and to our own population and enterprises at 20%, etc.
  8. Alex66
    Alex66 3 November 2017 08: 23 New
    +9
    Our elite completely flew off the coils, they would have put Poroshenko right away, you see they will change their minds and reconnect with us. Uzbeks probably laugh at such news and their pants are getting ready to lower, they are preparing a place for kisses.
  9. Humpty
    Humpty 3 November 2017 08: 45 New
    +8
    The article is relevant, only the first photo is out of place. Ilya, be careful. There are no Uzbeks on it, they are Kyrgyz. Go to the store. The new leader of Uzbekistan seems to have decided to establish relations with some of the neighbors. And here you are, Mirziyoyev did not consult with everyone. To know, exactly who Sobyanin (naturally, completely disinterestedly) threw the idea with a monument, IMHO not Uzbeks.
    I suppose this is a well-thought-out provocation aimed at fanning anti-Uzbek sentiments in Russia.
    Also, presumably this breeze does not whine from overseas, it seems to be of a closer origin.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 3 November 2017 09: 11 New
      +3
      I agree with you about the provocation. About Uzbekistan, you have never heard about the world, and here the USA has become aroused by Russia too! We are waiting for sanctions for raisins and dried apricots. Elite schools are entirely Russian-speaking (Leader), and 98% of students are Uzbek!
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 3 November 2017 09: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: andrewkor
        at the expense of provocation

        Something a very bad idea occurred to me. Shpak has a cigarette case, the ambassador has a medal.
        An Uzbek in Amir / aka commits a ter.act, Sobyanin provokes people in Russia.
        Coincidence? ....
        quo vadis?
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 3 November 2017 08: 45 New
    0
    But for some reason this circumstance is not taken into account by the metropolitan authorities.
    Because the authorities in Moscow-Russia are the same.
  11. Dimy4
    Dimy4 3 November 2017 08: 59 New
    +2
    Well, please do not offend us, we will set up a monument for you in Moscow ... Hmm, what is the degree of humiliation?
  12. ibirus
    ibirus 3 November 2017 09: 01 New
    10
    This is sad. Either our power is stupid, or it specifically ignores the opinion of the people, and then the thought arises - did we choose this particular elite, or is it time for it to dump history? Down with the monument, we must respect the opinion of the people.
  13. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 3 November 2017 09: 03 New
    +3
    I support the position of the author, in its entirety!
  14. erlikon
    erlikon 3 November 2017 09: 09 New
    +7
    The author writes about what he does not know. I am Russian, and have been living in Tashkent since 3 years. So life has developed. Yes, at the beginning of the parade of sovereignty there were such sentiments among the Uzbeks - like Russians, go to Russia! There was such a nationalist movement, Birlik. And I must say it was Karimov who quickly noticed all this. And tell me in Russia then there was nothing like this? Remember the 90s? And in Uzbekistan there was no such rampant crime in those years! And now even more so there are no nationalistic sentiments. Come dear author and see for yourself! But your article is a provocative incitement to nationalist discord. I would advise you to read carefully the work of V.I. Lenin "On Great-Russian Chauvinism" very informative! Yours faithfully!
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 3 November 2017 10: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: erlikon
      And now even more so there are no nationalistic sentiments. Come dear author and see for yourself!

      It is approximately the same, as Russians are no longer influencing anything in four of the five southern republics; Because Natsik and quieter steel.
      Quote: erlikon
      I would advise you to read carefully the work of V.I. Lenin "On Great-Russian Chauvinism" very informative!

      And to the heap, to the landfill, to re-read Bukharin and Marx, their attitude to the Russians.
      You and I did not get out of our little Motherland just because we found our application here too.
      In particular, in the next 3-4 decades, the national cadres will not be able to master a number of professions either with you or with us. I judge by my colleagues from Tashkent. For the entire 30-million Uzbekistan of Uzbeks by nationality - ONE is the only one. We have it all - zero, not a single one.
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher 3 November 2017 10: 54 New
        0
        And who are you by profession, if not secret?
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 3 November 2017 14: 13 New
          +4
          Quote: de_monSher
          And who are you by profession

          Sometimes it seems to me that shepherd. Hello Cher!
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher 4 November 2017 05: 53 New
            +2
            *)))) Oh, sure - hello. Everything, remembered your profession! Well, don’t offend you like Uzbekistan - we have already overcome the hunger for staff, a lot of people have returned from the West and from the East - from China, Russia, Japan, etc. - having received education. You simply don’t recognize Uzbekistan ... *))
            1. Black sniper
              Black sniper 6 November 2017 01: 15 New
              0
              From a laugh, the navel almost got loose ;-)
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher 6 November 2017 03: 39 New
                0
                Tie it tight ... *)) Well, or laugh so that the navel does not suffer ... *)))
    2. user
      user 3 November 2017 10: 19 New
      +8
      I would advise you to read carefully the work of V.I. Lenin "On Great-Russian Chauvinism" very informative! Yours faithfully!


      By the way, I studied work at one time, but V.I. Lenin did not know then how it would happen in the 90s in Central Asia. But those who grew up in places with a view of the Pamir, Tien Shan or Alma-Ata apple orchards and for which the aryk is not a ditch with water and now living in Siberia where they fled from that very Uzbekistan, in which there is no rampant crime, sorry the expression "bare ass" your statements are pure demagogy. Alas, enough time has passed, but they are still alive and have not forgotten anything. So with the construction of such monuments in Moscow, this is a short-sighted policy and an attempt to come to an agreement, though it’s not clear why and for what, with the leaders of the Central Asian republics.

      Although there is such a saying "having such friends, you don’t need enemies." This is my personal opinion, not demagogy.
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 3 November 2017 14: 48 New
      +4
      Try to put a monument to someone from Russian at home. Will everyone jump for joy?
      And yet, tell me, why should there be a monument in Moscow to the president of another state? What did he do for the Russians or for Russia?
    4. rumatam
      rumatam 4 November 2017 21: 02 New
      0
      do we work out thirty?
    5. Black sniper
      Black sniper 6 November 2017 01: 09 New
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      Come to Kazakhstan and on the third day your opinion will change (turn) 180 °.
      1. Black sniper
        Black sniper 6 November 2017 01: 22 New
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        Yerlikon has asked you.
  15. Eurodav
    Eurodav 3 November 2017 09: 14 New
    +3
    No monuments! We decided everything in VO! It's time to create a political party "Military Review Party", without Jews and moderators with administrators! I went to the Administration to register ...
  16. Eurodav
    Eurodav 3 November 2017 09: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: erlikon
    The author writes about what he does not know. I am Russian, and have been living in Tashkent since 3 years. So life has developed. Yes, at the beginning of the parade of sovereignty there were such sentiments among the Uzbeks - like Russians, go to Russia! There was such a nationalist movement, Birlik. And I must say it was Karimov who quickly noticed all this. And tell me in Russia then there was nothing like this? Remember the 90s? And in Uzbekistan there was no such rampant crime in those years! And now even more so there are no nationalistic sentiments. Come dear author and see for yourself! But your article is a provocative incitement to nationalist discord. I would advise you to read carefully the work of V.I. Lenin "On Great-Russian Chauvinism" very informative! Yours faithfully!

    With all due respect to you, that Blank Lenin, an internationalist to the core, who hated Russia and all Russian, could "write informatively." It was at that time that similar pearls with aspiration were read, but against the backdrop of the XNUMXst century, open / declassified documents from archives, the majority of thinking people no longer have the same view!
  17. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 3 November 2017 09: 56 New
    +3
    I agree with the author of the article: I don’t see why to erect a monument to Karimov, who has no merit not before Russia or the Russians. Maybe he or his relatives rendered some service personally to Sabyanin, that he decided to erect a monument with the money of Muscovites?
    1. serriy
      serriy 7 November 2017 14: 09 New
      0
      Maybe he, Karimov, took the money to Russia? fellow As a rule, billions are exported from Russia. And if to Russia, then OF COURSE - THEN A MONUMENT! With flowers. ))) laughing good
  18. thinker
    thinker 3 November 2017 10: 20 New
    +4
    There will be a monument, there will be no monument, Muscovites themselves will figure it out. But someone needs a universal scandal, probably they don’t like such news -
    The strategic partnership between Russia and Uzbekistan at the center of negotiations between Dmitry Medvedev and Shavkat Mirziyoyev.
    Russia and Uzbekistan signed more than 10 documents to expand cooperation.
    KAMAZ trucks will be assembled in Uzbekistan.
  19. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 3 November 2017 14: 11 New
    +1
    Sobyanin

    look at his face ... what is he Russian? Some kind of chunya.
    And Karimov is really closer to him.
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 6 November 2017 01: 31 New
      0
      Kunskamer is good, so my stomach hurts with laughter ;-)
  20. kalabaha
    kalabaha 3 November 2017 14: 29 New
    +1
    The street of General Rakhimov was renamed for non-title nationality. He is Kazakh.
    In the expulsion of the Meskhetians, the Meskhetians themselves were to blame. In criminal terms, they are almost no better than gypsies.
    And the rest of the article is complete slag
    1. Dedall
      Dedall 3 November 2017 21: 45 New
      +8
      Dear, here about the Meskhetian tour, I can say that their genocide was then carefully organized and planned. After the events, the commission and the Prosecutor General’s Office found tons of harvested peaks made from cut reinforcing bars in the mechanics shop of the Margilan Combine. In addition, all KAMAZ trucks were suddenly gathered from all over the region to Fegana, and bales with cotton and concrete blocks were installed in their bodies. And also huge purchases of vodka were revealed at the bases of consumer cooperation. Boxes from under them were later found in all places of the most massacres.
      So it was a classic action of mass terror, which is described in the textbooks of SAS and other "green berets." But I am inclined in favor of the former - it is a very distinctive style, and the arrival of suspicious tourist groups at that time was very suspicious. But all this during the reign of Gorbachev and found publicity. And even the actual number of victims was reduced by a factor of three.
      In short, those Turks came under the English “vivisection” for the reason of their convenience as experimental animals. Firstly, there were relatively few of them. Secondly, their complete carving did not cause a resonance in a world that would be with any other nation. And I would call it a lie that they were a kind of gypsy. Our Ferghana airborne regiment back then ensured the safety of investigative measures and we saw that the bulk of the victims were road workers, drivers, land reclamation workers and other hard workers. In any case, the fields of anasha and poppy were not found in their villages. And at the same Margilan silk-weaving mill, they worked in the very stinky shop for decoction of cocoons.
      Well, I consider M. Gorbachev to be the main culprit of that tragedy, and of the whole subsequent collapse of the country with millions of victims. For some reason, the official Moscow authorities have just kindred feelings for him and protect him from all sorts of attacks in betrayal.
  21. LAWNER
    LAWNER 3 November 2017 16: 10 New
    +1
    What kind of imbeciles ???
    According to Lavrov: + stupid people Mlyad !!! "
    What if Humpty is right ???
  22. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 3 November 2017 17: 44 New
    +1
    The good news is that migrants are tightened. Legislation is especially for countries from Middle Asia. Here is the answer to them, when their GDP falls and their unemployed return to them, they will think that we must be respected
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher 4 November 2017 05: 58 New
      +2
      Why should our GDP fall? Moreover, this is precisely WE here, we are tightening migration legislation, and you, represented by state bodies of Russia, on the contrary, at all seminars and conferences cry that you de - "need hands". You don’t need heads, but hands very well.
  23. Wolka
    Wolka 3 November 2017 19: 00 New
    +3
    but we remember the 90s, well, the Uzbeks who fed whom in the USSR, have eaten all of their stuff now again, they are stuffing into comrades ...
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher 4 November 2017 06: 02 New
      +1
      *))))) Everything according to the canons of applied psychology - "the more you get sick, the more you will give to others." No, you do not need comrades and friends in the south, and do not care. Live as you want - only, finally return ALL OF OURS to us, stop threatening - DO IT at last. Press on your powers or something ...
      1. Black sniper
        Black sniper 6 November 2017 01: 39 New
        0
        Yes, no one holds them, let them knock to their side, not enough for their work
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 6 November 2017 03: 41 New
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          Nobody can take them by force either - until the legislation of the Russian Federation is tightened and it will also be executed ...
  24. Curious
    Curious 3 November 2017 21: 53 New
    +3
    It is strange that the author of the article did not understand at all where, as they say, “legs grow”. The same square, located in close proximity to the consular department and the guest house of Uzbekistan, was named in honor of Karimov by "scientists, politicians and artists of Russia and Uzbekistan." Surnames, however, are not called.
    The embassy of Uzbekistan appealed to the Moscow government regarding the installation of a monument in the Russian capital to the former president of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov, who, in turn, complied with the request of the republican government.
    A regular meeting of the Russian-Uzbek intergovernmental commission was held on September 14-15 in Moscow, at which a request was made on behalf of the government of Uzbekistan to erect a monument to Karimov. “This solved the issue, and Sobyanin was simply given the order“ from above ”.
    In addition, the All-Russian Congress of Uzbeks and Uzbeks (VKUU) announced its intention to ask Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin to allocate land for the construction of a memorial to Islam Karimov.
    So this monument is an element of big politics. Apparently - they’ll deliver.
  25. rumatam
    rumatam 4 November 2017 20: 24 New
    +2
    Yeah, deliver Jokharu, but it’s the first Chichikovsky prez.
  26. already a Muscovite
    already a Muscovite 5 November 2017 01: 41 New
    +1
    I'm not against . Let them pose. There are more different monuments, the main thing is not ugliness. The more monuments there are, the more they will remain after us. Let them pose. Oligofrenov, that they will be broken, are more than sculptors.
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 6 November 2017 01: 44 New
      +1
      Duck, let’s put it to everyone on the monument. fellow
      1. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 7 November 2017 21: 34 New
        +1
        Pissing yourself is ridiculous ... In Moscow, the monument to Mondagulova both stood and still stands. But the "honorable horse breeders" who came to power, in fur hats, demolished monuments wherever they could .. Take the same monument to Yermak ... The Uzbeks also do not lag behind ... laughing The monument to Sabir Rakhimov was demolished and the metro and street were renamed, it turned out that he was not very Uzbek ... Wild people ... negative
  27. Navy7981
    Navy7981 5 November 2017 01: 44 New
    +2
    this is really hard to understand. Well, there was Karimov and what, why do we need it? What side is it so important for us that someone was going to build a monument? For me, is he dead? Well, all about this man. He is not ours. He is a stranger.
  28. Black sniper
    Black sniper 6 November 2017 00: 36 New
    0
    Quote: samarin1969
    The press scares China and the United States to enter Central Asia.

    Will they come in !? As far as I remember there is an amer base ...
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher 6 November 2017 03: 46 New
      0
      You do not have a memory, but a sieve full of holes. Or it is especially selective in you, however - not surprisingly, judging by your curious statements. They even seem to have been kicked out of Kyrgyzstan long ago.
  29. OTK55
    OTK55 6 November 2017 10: 19 New
    +1
    Yeah ... The man was limited ... and therefore evil ...
  30. Domestic cat
    Domestic cat 6 November 2017 10: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Yesterday, I expressed my opinion on this matter - if anyone has such a “burn”, then stand in the Yeltsin Center.

    And even better - after installation in E-ts, demolish everything together so that there is no trace. As when Yolkin demolished the Ipatiev House and in one night this place was paved.
  31. Tarasios
    Tarasios 7 November 2017 09: 47 New
    0
    I am Ukrainian, but born in Uzbekistan. Mom is Russian, but she was also born in Uzbekistan. And part of the relatives are still there. So I know firsthand. The picture presented in the article is absolutely true, although the author even tried to smooth out some points. For example, the majority of the Uzbeks who are leaving Russians were naturally robbed, almost letting out naked across the border.
  32. Brigadier
    Brigadier 7 November 2017 09: 56 New
    0
    The more I look at the different “initiatives” of our government representatives, the more I get frenzied!
    Either Natach with a film about Nikolashka, then Ivanov with a Mannerheim board, then someone else ...
    One gets the impression that these are the same Decembrists of our time who "were terribly far from the people" ... Interestingly, they already forgot how the Uzbeks drove the Russians from Uzbekistan? Apparently, they forgot ...
    And involuntarily I recall October 1917 ... See ... Wait ...
    Our people can endure for a long time, but when then they stand on their hind legs, you may simply not have time to escape ...
  33. valerei
    valerei 7 November 2017 15: 10 New
    +1
    The Moscow government, as always, is ahead of Russia. Either they praise Mannerheim, then they praise Karimov! And who is Karimov for Russia? No one! But someone first said: “And let us erect a monument to Karimov!” I think that in addition to ordinary stupidity, there is also a strong monetary interest. And for money, our "servants of the people" can easily sell their souls to the devil, and not just stick some kind of monument there. But it’s what it’s like for us to admire Karimova, especially if she goes to work every day, or just sticks out under the window.
  34. mervino2007
    mervino2007 7 November 2017 19: 21 New
    +1
    Why did the government of Uzbekistan want to have a monument to Karimov in Moscow? Causes? Bequeathed Karimov? If so, then why not in Uzbekistan, another one, to many available? In my opinion, there are much more reasons NOT to erect such a monument: squeezing out Russian speakers from the country, avoiding the Cyrillic alphabet, changing the names of streets that had a Russian foundation, pursuing a foreign policy directed against Russia. Stop smiling and forgiving loans. In short: there is no good reason for such a gesture.
  35. Andrey0301
    Andrey0301 12 November 2017 19: 58 New
    0
    This article is a little unbiased, I personally come from Tashkent and recently moved to Russia. Over the years, he learned a total of 50 words in Uzbek, none of the Russian schools were closed in Tashkent, all subjects are in Russian, Uzbek is taught on a level with a foreign language, the same situation is in colleges and institutes, you can work without any language in all in practice, the only difficulty in state organizations is to submit reports in Uzbek. Now, with regard to nationalism, the authorities completely eliminated it, after the 90s on the manifestations
    I did not hear and did not meet. Indeed, of course, it is precisely the state support of the Russian population from Russia that is lacking, as, for example, Poland, Israel, and Greece do this in relation to their people abroad. The main reason for leaving, for the Russians and the Russian-speaking population, are, rather, economic reasons.