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Kadyrov: Lenin must be buried

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The body of the founder of the Soviet state Vladimir Lenin must be buried, this decision will be the most correct with historical point of view conveys RIA News statement by the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov.




To solve the question of the burial of Lenin should, of course, Russian President Vladimir Putin. But I am personally convinced that it is enough to stare at Lenin’s corpse. And it's time to bury the leader of the revolution, this is both rational and humane. A whole research institute is working on the body of Lenin. There is a 24-hour security guard near his body.
wrote Kadyrov in the telegram channel.

According to him, this is wrong when "in the heart of Russia, on Red Square, there is a coffin with a dead man."

If the decision to bury Lenin’s body is made, it will be the most accurate from a historical point of view. In this case, the decision on the disposal should not be selective. It is necessary to betray the earth both the body of Lenin and Naib Imam Shamil Hadji Murad, whose head is still kept in the museum of St. Petersburg,
Kadyrov stressed.

The question of the burial of Lenin's body has been discussed for many years. The next round of discussion came on 2017 year - the centenary anniversary of the October Revolution.
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 2 November 2017 11: 45 New
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    Yes you are tired! What else to do?

    Well, let’s say, we’ll allocate a couple of afigiliards to take away, for reconstruction, .... to smoke at the movers.
    There are no more problems in the country!

    I’ll be asked today at work - “Kohl, what excites you? What are the problems at work”. ?
    I will answer right away - Lenin! this Lenin lies there! I can’t sleep peacefully !!! I do not get enough sleep at all from the awareness of him lying there! ))))
    1. Logall
      Logall 2 November 2017 11: 49 New
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      What the hell is Kadyrov climbing to the leader? He is not the leader of world Wahhabism! He is the leader of the world proletariat! How does Kadyrov know about the proletarians?
      There is such a concept-Makhnovism. I introduce a new one - Kadyrovschina!
      1. ID90
        ID90 2 November 2017 11: 53 New
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        Quote: Logall
        What the hell is Kadyrov climbing to the leader? He is not the leader of world Wahhabism! He is the leader of the world proletariat! How did he know about the proletarians?

        he is Putin's personal footman.
        1. Logall
          Logall 2 November 2017 11: 55 New
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          Quote: ID90
          Quote: Logall
          What the hell is Kadyrov climbing to the leader? He is not the leader of world Wahhabism! He is the leader of the world proletariat! How did he know about the proletarians?

          he is Putin's personal footman.

          Do you know exactly who the proletariat are?
          Open dictionary yes
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 2 November 2017 12: 29 New
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            Kadyrov with the filing of Sobchak fanning the fire. A HUGE number of people in the country have grown with respect for Lenin. There is a queue in the mausoleum. And this line indicates that they honor Lenin.
            Who will remember Kadyrov, Sobchak in 100 years ??????
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 2 November 2017 12: 55 New
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              If I'm not mistaken, then this same Kadyrov said not so long ago that he HATE Stalin! We, too, most of us should hate STALIN ?!
              Bad politician Kadyrov - immature! He will bring Russia and his people, as well as all of us, for the most part to the trouble!
              1. Ivan Ivanov
                Ivan Ivanov 2 November 2017 14: 07 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                Bad politician Kadyrov - immature!


                Yes, an obvious manifestation of immaturity. And bourgeois
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 2 November 2017 18: 37 New
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                  Quote: IvanIvanov
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Bad politician Kadyrov - immature!


                  Yes, an obvious manifestation of immaturity. And bourgeois

                  Probably the Chechens just remember well the deportation under Stalin. Interestingly, they remember the last two wars just as well.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 20: 28 New
                    +7
                    We, without any ambition, should learn from the Chinese not only in organizing economic and political life, as they persistently studied and mastered our experience of Soviet development, but it is equally important how they sacredly honor historical memory, for example, MAO Zedong, whose body rests in the Mausoleum , which acts as a monumental burial structure .. V.I. Lenin was the creator of the world's first state built on socialist principles, having a decisive influence on the course of world history, the destruction of the world colonial system emy .. The work of V.I. Lenin and is now widely in demand in the world, the significance of which goes far beyond the life of several generations ... And let now his works, like Marx, are not handbooks in our Fatherland, but the loss of historical memory of the significance of the merits of V.I. Lenin, inevitably leads to the transformation of a considerable number of people into Mankurts, who are close in lifestyle to animals ...
                  2. Ivan Ivanov
                    Ivan Ivanov 3 November 2017 00: 23 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Semurg
                    Probably the Chechens just remember well the deportation under Stalin. Interestingly, they remember the last two wars just as well.


                    You think they just deported me for no reason? By the way, under Roosevelt, citizens of Japanese descent were deported to camps only for origin. Interesting, remember, hate?
                    Maybe we should refresh the ethnic cleansing of Russians in Chechnya in the 90s? Endlessly remember?
                    1. Ivan Ivanov
                      Ivan Ivanov 3 November 2017 10: 00 New
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                      Quote: Semurg
                      Probably the Chechens just remember well the deportation under Stalin. Interestingly, they remember the last two wars just as well.


                      Interesting: “In the mountains, on the Chechen-Dagestan border, we talked with a gray-haired Avar, a veteran of the NKVD, who in the 40s participated in the liquidation of the gang underground in the Caucasus and explained to us on fingers why deportations were carried out ..." https: // agitblog. com / articles / perezaxoroniteli.htm
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            2. AUL
              AUL 2 November 2017 13: 22 New
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              Vladimir16
              A HUGE number of people in the country have grown with respect for Lenin.
              Vladimir, would you like that, after your death (I wish it wasn’t fast), as a sign of respect to you, you would be a stuffed animal and put on public display? Only honestly!
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 35 New
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                Quote: AUL
                of you would make a scarecrow and

                Of you, it already is .. as if to say softer, it already exists, but that’s the trouble for you, who you are and who Lenin is? What did Lenin do and what do you do?
                In general, the question is not whose stuffed puppeteers different anti-Soviet and Russophobes demonstrate, such as you, but that parsley is a one-time thing, used and thrown out as unnecessary, so ..
                Do you pretend to be a rank, to be on a par with the great ones? Here with these? In vain, for the voas there is no place next to them.
                The death of Lenin deprives the world of a single, truly great man ... Lenin seemed to be the injured world bourgeoisie as a destroyer, but it was not the destruction that made him famous. Others could destroy, but I doubt if there would be at least one more person who could build so well anew. He had a harmonious creative mind. He was a philosopher, the creator of a system in the field of practice ...
                State figures on the scale of Lenin appear in the world no more than once a century, and it is unlikely that many of us will live to see our equal. B. Russell.
                Who do you don’t know? I’ll help .. The Academician of the Swedish Academy Anders Österling described Russell as “one of the most brilliant representatives of rationalism and humanism, a fearless fighter for freedom of speech and freedom of thought in the West.”

                The American philosopher Irwin Edman highly appreciated the works of Russell, even compared him to Voltaire, emphasizing that he, like his famous compatriots, philosophers of the old time, is a master of English prose.

                Russell is considered one of the most influential logicians of the 9th century [XNUMX].

                In editorial comments on the memorial collection “Bertrand Russell - The Philosopher of the Century” (1967), it was noted that Russell's contribution to mathematical logic was the most significant and fundamental since the days of Aristotle.

                And for us, living in other countries, Lenin is still alive. It belongs not only to the Soviet Union, but to all of humanity. Lenin is an inspiring example for us; we live and fight under the direct influence of his ideas. The economic analysis, political directions and tactical advice contained in Lenin’s work are vital in the struggle that is being waged today. No less important is Lenin's teaching for the future. Lenin was the greatest among the greatest scientists of his time in the intellectual power of his thinking, in the breadth of his horizons. Where other great people saw this or that aspect of reality, he saw everything. He saw reality not as something static, but in motion; he understood the forces that determined this movement, and learned to control them.
                J. Bernal
                The Soviet Union has the right to be proud that the great Lenin, creating the world's first socialist state, took care of the welfare of not only European and Asian, but also African peoples ... I am convinced that it was Lenin's teaching that should be the guiding principle for the peoples of the African continent in their the fight against criminal secret conspiracy of the USA, England, Germany, France and Belgium ...
                I think that today, more than ever, it is important to familiarize the peoples of Africa with Lenin's teachings on colonialism and imperialism.
                The books of Lenin, translated into local languages, would serve for the struggling peoples of Africa as clear guiding beacons on the way to a bright historical future. They would become another powerful and effective monument to the great genius of mankind on the earth of that continent, which today especially acutely feels the need for wise advice - the advice of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.
                W. Dubois
                Aren't you all afraid of this?
                1. a housewife
                  a housewife 2 November 2017 13: 55 New
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                  I don’t understand either - if a man was made into a stuffed animal, does that increase respect for him? Although it is three times large, I do not think that the storage of its shell is the right action. He himself would hardly want that. Who suddenly has another question - I also do not think that mummies should be stored in museums for viewing. They are also people and they demand respect, and they hardly wanted to work as exhibits. If anyone else has questions, then I do not think it is right to drag the relics of saints through cities and countries, then I completely disagree with the church. Dead people must rest in the earth. what can we talk about here at all? Nonsense. Horror film.
                  1. Ivan Ivanov
                    Ivan Ivanov 2 November 2017 14: 12 New
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                    Quote: housewife
                    I don’t understand either - if a man was made into a scarecrow, does this increase respect for him?

                    Do you think those people who decided to embalm the body, make a monument out of the mausoleum did not ask this simple question? Nevertheless, they answered as they answered. Maybe you should respect their choice? Plus, there is the country of China, which does not interfere with the development of the “mummy in the center”, rather the opposite.
                    1. AUL
                      AUL 2 November 2017 15: 17 New
                      +5
                      Do you think those people who decided to embalm the body, make a monument out of the mausoleum did not ask this simple question? Nevertheless, they answered as they answered. Maybe you should respect their choice?
                      Those who solved this are far from the whole of Russia, but only the government. And in it, at that moment, there were, as it were softer to say, not all Russian Orthodox. But the people of Russia at that time were almost all believers and Orthodox, but no one asked for their opinions.
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 November 2017 16: 56 New
                        +5
                        Quote: AUL
                        Those who solved this are far from the whole of Russia, but only the government.

                        See these frames
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 November 2017 19: 27 New
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                        [quote = AUL] But the people of Russia at that time were almost all believers and Orthodox, but no one asked for their opinions. [/ quo
                        Nobody asked you and your kind like you.
                        So again, it’s not you who buried, it’s not for you to decide where to lie to Lenin.
                        The question on the form of burial is accepted, meets all standards. So that all your activity is called simply-provocation.
                      3. Ivan Ivanov
                        Ivan Ivanov 2 November 2017 23: 57 New
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                        Quote: AUL
                        Those who solved this are far from the whole of Russia, but only the government

                        Our Orthodox Christians overwhelmingly supported the Bolsheviks in civil and domestic, realizing why.
                        I liked what K, Babkin (Rostselmash) wrote, never a communist: “Why bury him? He is buried. According to the traditions of his era. The great era. And aesthetically quite harmonious. Who does not want to look at him, let him not look. For this there are all possibilities. Let him not go into the mausoleum. There are kings nearby lying in sarcophagi. In the Archangel Cathedral. They do not bother anyone yet? That's nice. No need to climb to Lenin. "
                    2. a housewife
                      a housewife 3 November 2017 00: 04 New
                      +3
                      Perhaps it was worthwhile to respect Lenin himself as a person? there are many mention different mausoleums around the world. I agree, the presence of the body in the mausoleum can be considered a burial, but why should they come to look at the corpse as a dried curiosity? For me personally, the question is this. From the point of view of man. I am not a political supporter of Lenin, I do not look at it from the point of view of a Christian, because everyone - Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, atheists and everyone else - does not have to be buried in the same way. Moreover, reverence for the dead is respected everywhere. Especially from people who claim to be his followers. And what is this collective viewing? What kind of strange curiosity? What do you go watch? Put a portrait at home. Watch movies about him that you like. What are you looking for there?
                      1. Ivan Ivanov
                        Ivan Ivanov 3 November 2017 09: 58 New
                        +1
                        It can be considered a time-extended ritual of farewell. In my opinion, there is one problem: do not want, do not look.
                    3. ver_
                      ver_ 9 November 2017 15: 32 New
                      0
                      ..and do not you think that the time of those who made this stuffed animal has passed? ..
                  2. bonussp
                    bonussp 2 November 2017 14: 47 New
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                    Have you ever seen Orthodox Christians? This is definitely horror! First, let their relics be buried in a Christian way, then we’ll talk about Lenin. Dozens of mausoleums with embalmed bodies around the world are standing and no one is cleaning them. And we Russians always listen to fools and provocateurs, which is why we suffer.
                  3. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 2 November 2017 16: 23 New
                    +6
                    right action.
                    Likely the Yeltsin Center more correct action. Truly a great man, for the sake of power, he destroyed such a country.
                2. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 2 November 2017 14: 03 New
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                  Quote: badens1111
                  Of you, it already is .. as if to say softer, it already exists, but that’s the trouble for you, who you are and who Lenin is? What did Lenin do and what do you do?

                  And what did Lenin do? (Mind you, everyone nicknamed him then, like an Indian). Gulagov built, destroyed the Russian intelligentsia, the land of the peasants, and the factories of the workers ... and where were these lands and where are the factories? Or can you tell me about the Red Terror? This communism of his, cost the country millions of lives. Or do you want to say that he was white and fluffy?
                  Now about this SCHEDULE in the heart of the country. Here they say, we didn’t put it there, we don’t need to take it from there. A very clever statement, especially recalling that, firstly, he was not buried, but mummified and lowered 2 meters below the ground and only ... that is, in fact, this body is not buried. The second ... I really want to ask the advocates who are glad that they didn’t touch him, and who of them personally would like such a fate, that after death they would be made into a bullock and put on public display?
                  Further ... it is often said here that Lenin is part of our history. And who argues that? But just what does the fact of finding his mummy on Red Square have any relation to history? Or does everyone have sclerosis without a visual reminder at all? Are there not enough monuments in every city and street names for this? Are any of the advocates of the opinion that it is not necessary to touch and bury this scarecrow, at least once bringing their children to the Mausoleum? I think there will be two or three people who will answer, YES. And the rest will begin to rant that it’s like breaking down monuments and thereby destroying your history. So the story is written in books ... read and you will be happy. Only what relation to this all has an unburied corpse in the heart of the country can you explain to me?
                  And the last ... I already talked about this ... We have many religions in our country. But not one of them does not bury the dead according to pagan customs with pyramids and mummification. And even more so, they don’t write instead of Vladimir Ulyanov, on the tombstone, the dog’s nickname Lenin.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 14: 11 New
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                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Gulagov built, destroyed the Russian intelligentsia, the land of the peasants, and the factories of the workers ... and where were these lands and where are the factories? Or can you tell me about the Red Terror? This communism of his, cost the country millions of lives. Or do you want to say that he was white and fluffy?

                    A set of cries in the likeness of the cries of Zhirinovsky, Svanidze and Pivovarov?
                    The answer is here
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KebVqd-6t1w
                    Can you understand what has been said or, as always, in response to another tub of slops on a topic in which you absolutely do not understand anything?
                    In 2004, historians gained open access to unique sources for studying the history of Russian revolutions. We are talking about the recollections of the heads of the Moscow and St. Petersburg security departments P.P. Zavarzin, A.P. Martynov, A.V. Gerasimov and the director of the Police Department A.T. Vasiliev. // "Security". Memoirs of the leaders of a political investigation: in 2 vols. M .: New Literary Review, 2004. 512 + 640 pp.) The memoirs of the first persons of the tsarist police about the open and undisclosed secret police actions of revolutionaries of all sorts have still not reached the general reader.

                    With a high degree of probability, the reason for this is that these documents refute the myths about the overthrow and assassination of the tsar by the Communists, reveal the essence of the events of January 1905 and February 1917, and prove that the liberals in alliance with the British special services became the culprits of the destruction of the Russian Empire - forces that through for some time they became ideologists and organizers of the white movement.
                    “... The only organization that poses a danger to the existing order [in February 1917] is the Duma.
                    Protopopov [last Minister of the Interior of the Russian Empire]
                    strongly advocated the dissolution of the Duma,
                    ... the chairman of the Council of Ministers decided to approve the proposal.
                    ... Anticipating the possibility of such a decision, the Tsar signed a decree in advance.
                    ... He said: “Based on our decision on paragraph 99 of the Basic laws of the state,
                    we order a break in the work of the Duma from February 26,
                    which will be collected again on the appointed date, but no later than April 17, 1917. "
                    The events of the day have led to
                    that the decree of the Tsar, which became his last decree, concerned the Duma.
                    who knows if things would have turned out differently if this decree
                    was published a few months earlier. "

                    P.P. Zavarzin (Gendarmes and revolutionaries.
                    Or is it that you don’t learn what you don’t like?
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    this SCHEDULE in the heart of the country

                    You about yourself? Strange, but I don’t call you that.
                    Statement by Olga Dmitrievna Ulyanova, Lenin’s native niece: “I have repeatedly stated and will repeat once again that I am categorically against the reburial of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. There is no reason for this. Even religious. The sarcophagus in which he lies is three meters below ground level, which corresponds to burials according to Russian custom, and the Orthodox canon. ”
                    And the form of burial was determined by the country's highest authority - the II All-Union Congress of Soviets - in the ground, at a depth of three meters in the crypt above which the Mausoleum was erected.
                    The most famous example is the burial in the open for viewing sarcophagus of the great Russian surgeon Nikolai Pirogov near Vinnitsa. The sarcophagus with the coffin of the great scientist is placed in a crypt, which is one of the forms of burial in the ground and has been on display for almost 130 years. As it is written in the definition of the Holy Synod in St. Petersburg, “so that the disciples and followers of the noble and godly deeds of the servant of God, N.I. Pirogov could contemplate his bright appearance.
                    Here is an excerpt from the conclusion of the Chairman of the CEC Commission of the USSR on funeral V. I. Ulyanov (Lenin) F. Dzerzhinsky: “Meeting the wishes of the broad masses of the USSR and other countries - to see the appearance of the late leader, the funeral committee V. I. Ulyanov (Lenin ) decided to take the measures available to modern science for the longest possible preservation of the body. "
                    How, in this case, is the decision of the state body of the Russian Empire, which was the Holy Synod, which allowed "to see the bright face" of the departed scientist Pirogov to his students and admirers, different from the same decision of the supreme body of state power in the person of the Congress of Soviets and the Central Executive Committee of the USSR? Nothing?
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Further ... it is often said here that Lenin is part of our history. And who argues that? But what relation to history is the fact of finding his mummy on Red Square?

                    WHERE did they throw the damned banners of the Third Reich, if not to the grave of the founder of the country, which WINS in 1945. What is not clear?
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    There are many religions in our country, but not one of them bury the dead according to pagan customs with pyramids and mummification.

                    And we have a country-IN WHICH RELIGION is separated from the STATE.
                    Further, since you are such an anti-adviser, the question immediately arises, but how do you DID WIN the celebration if it is not yours, not under your banners and not under your Vlasov’s ideology?
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 2 November 2017 14: 25 New
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                      Quote: badens1111
                      Can you understand what has been said or, as always, in response to another tub of slops on a topic in which you absolutely do not understand anything?

                      And you I look a great connoisseur. After reading your vyser and reasoning, on the topic "do not touch the sacred," I would like to ask you, smart homegrown, but have you ever taken your children to this crypt?
                      Quote: badens1111
                      You about yourself? Strange, but I don’t call you that.

                      Dear, why be rude? I’m also Russian, and I can impose on you no worse than yours. Just look, it’s useless, because your ANALYTICAL calculations have nothing to do with the topic. What this leader has done is demand from him in the next world. And now in the case, WHAT DOES ALL YOUR RADIATION RELEASE TO THE BURDEN OF THIS SCREEN?
                      Quote: badens1111
                      WHERE did they throw the damned banners of the Third Reich, if not to the grave of the founder of the country, which WINS in 1945. What is not clear?

                      That is, your little mind betrayed such an idea that without Lenin the RUSSIAN SOLDIER would not have destroyed the Third Reich. Are you smoking sick?
                      Quote: badens1111
                      And we have a country-IN WHICH RELIGION is separated from the STATE.

                      Seriously? That is, in your flawed understanding, flies separately, and cutlets separately?
                      Quote: badens1111
                      not under your banners and not under your ideology of the Vlasovites?

                      You are careful with your brain elevators. I repeat for the wretched-What side is your entire opus, to the fact of the burial of Lenin?
                      And so that you do not particularly bubble, tearing the vest on the chest ... one of my grandfathers, Guard Lieutenant Colonel, awarded the Orders of Lenin and the Red Star. One grandmother was a sniper in Stalingrad, and on her account more than a hundred fascists. Another grandmother was a nurse who had 15 brothers, and not one of them returned from the war. So, regarding the Vlasovites, their mouth would have held their own.
                      1. bonussp
                        bonussp 2 November 2017 14: 56 New
                        +7
                        Sorry, it’s not up to you and Kadyrov, but the whole Russian people to decide who and how will lie on Red Square! Your position is losing - this is evidenced by the annual social polls on the issue of the burial of Lenin.
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2017 15: 02 New
                        +5
                        Quote: bonussp
                        Sorry, it’s not up to you and Kadyrov, but the whole Russian people to decide who and how will lie on Red Square! Your position is losing - this is evidenced by the annual social polls on the issue of the burial of Lenin.

                        Imagine, God forbid, of course, that you are dying ... and they ask you, How would you like to do with your body? And they offer the option of mummification, with the subsequent determination in the crypt, where they will be led by all and sundry, so that the bodies look at your stuffed animal. Would you agree?
                        For whom the memory of this character is sacred, he can also go to the cemetery, where he will be buried as a person, if that ... and no one’s memory will suffer from this.
                      3. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 November 2017 19: 32 New
                        +3
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        You are careful with your brain elevators. I repeat for the wretched

                        Hamite?
                        However, what am I talking about, if it is already clear that there is nothing beyond the squalor of your thoughts.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And so that you do not particularly bubble, tearing the vest on the chest ... one of my grandfathers, Guard Lieutenant Colonel, awarded the Orders of Lenin and the Red Star. One grandmother was a sniper in Stalingrad, and she has accounted for more than a hundred fascists. Another grandmother was a nurse

                        It is NOT NECESSARY to hide behind yourself, as a traitor, by the affairs of those who, in those years, would ... clearly put you in spite of that granddaughter.
                        You are a Vlasovite, in the likeness of Kovtun, that the same yells that his grandfather fought and had rewards.
                        Quote: NEXUS

                        Are you smoking sick?

                        Ham. And this is a sign of lack of mind and at least a small degree of decency.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        without Lenin, the RUSSIAN SOLDIER would not have destroyed the Third Reich.

                        With your Nicholas, Kolchaks and Wrangels, Svanidzas and other Alekseevs and Brewers, RUSSIA would no longer be there, despite all the heroism of the Russian soldier ..
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        WHAT IS ATTITUDE ALL YOUR Nonsense

                        Namely, your boorish nonsense and your boorish antics shame on the site.
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 2 November 2017 16: 43 New
                      +3
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Statement by Olga Dmitrievna Ulyanova, Lenin’s native niece: “I have repeatedly stated and will repeat once again that I am categorically against the reburial of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. There is no reason for this. Even religious.

                      Well, no, no, no ... only then let this lady take over all the costs of maintaining this crypt, pay for the regular mummification procedure, transport stuffed animals, and so on ... FOR ITS BLOODY MONEY, BASED ON THAT IT IS A RELATIVITY OF IT.
                      With what fright, should I, as a taxpayer, pay for her crazy desires?
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 50 New
                        +5
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        With what fright, should I, as a taxpayer, pay for her crazy desires?

                        Oh, how, "billionaire" from the couch?
                        Red Square and the Kremlin are included in the UNESCO World Heritage List. World Heritage - natural or man-made objects, the priority tasks in relation to which are their conservation and popularization due to their special cultural, historical or environmental significance. In 1972, UNESCO adopted the Convention for the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage, which entered into force in 1975. The USSR ratified the Convention on March 9, 1988, and already in 1990, at the 14th session of the UNESCO World Heritage Committee, the first objects located in Russia were listed, including the Kremlin and Red Square (together with the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin).

                        "The status of the World Heritage Site" is not an empty phrase, it gives the following advantages (I will give some):

                        · Provides priority in attracting financial resources to support world cultural and natural heritage sites, primarily from the World Heritage Fund (we keep in mind),
                        · Contributes to the organization of monitoring and control over the state of conservation of natural objects.
                        · The states in whose territory the World Heritage Sites are located take upon themselves the obligation to preserve them.
                        From the 2007 report of the Kremlin and Red Square Inspection Commission:

                        “From the 13th century until the founding of St. Petersburg, the Kremlin was directly and tangibly connected with every major event in the history of Russia. The 200-year period of oblivion ended in 1918, when it again became the seat of government: the building of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and the Palace of Congresses.The Lenin Mausoleum on Red Square is a good example of the symbolic monumental architecture of the Soviet Union.To emphasize the worldwide significance of the Russian revolution, the funeral urns of the heroes of the revolution were included in the Kremlin walls between Nikolskaya and Spasskaya Tower. Thus, the attraction combines the past and the present, keeping in one place the most important events in modern history. "
                        Report Of The Joint UNESCO-ICOMOS-ICCROM Reactive Monitoring Mission to Kremlin And Red Square In Moscow, Russian Federation, From 6 to 14 December 2007

                        http://whc.unesco.org/en/documents/10055/

                        It turns out that the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin is protected by international law and may receive financial assistance with the appropriate decision of the UNESCO Commission
                        In June 2002, Federal Law N 73-ФЗ On Cultural Heritage Sites (Monuments of History and Culture) of the Peoples of the Russian Federation entered into force. Here are some articles:

                        Article 7. Citizens of the Russian Federation are guaranteed the safety of cultural heritage objects in the interests of the present and future generations of the multinational people of the Russian Federation in accordance with this Federal Law.

                        Article 9. Implementation of a unified investment policy in the field of state protection of cultural heritage objects.

                        Article 13. Sources of financing measures for the conservation, popularization and state protection of cultural heritage objects are: the federal budget; budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation; extrabudgetary revenues; local budgets.

                        Article 24. An object of cultural heritage included in the register and the World Heritage List is recognized as a particularly valuable object of cultural heritage of the peoples of the Russian Federation as a matter of priority.

                        http://mgi.mos.ru/legislation/lawacts/588030/
                        Are you against the STATE?
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2017 18: 05 New
                        +3
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Oh, how, "billionaire" from the couch?

                        Listen ... you were not imposed a work-peasant obscenity here only because you are tolerant of you, and the audience here is not a murmur from the gateway. At the same time, all these "millionaires" from the couch also pay taxes.
                        And your UNESCO goes with its resolutions to the same place as you, that is, forest, field and gully.
                        The state is engaged in the maintenance of this corpse? For what money? Why are you making a hunchbacked sit here?
                        You need it, build a mausoleum near your house and go pray for this stuffed animal at your own expense.
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Are you against the STATE?

                        I am against those stubborn ones who care about history, turning it into a clowning. What you are.
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 November 2017 18: 08 New
                        +3
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        You, in addition to slogans and gurgling of slurred words, didn’t explain to the public why I and many citizens of the Russian Federation who are for burial should pay their hard-earned money for the maintenance of your half-rotten idol?

                        Can you explain why I, as a taxpayer, have to pay money for the maintenance of Kadyrov and Putin? as well as Medvedev, Kudrin, Gref, etc.?
                        I did not vote for them!
                  2. sergo1914
                    sergo1914 2 November 2017 14: 45 New
                    +7
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Now about this SCHEDULE in the heart of the country.


                    Ksenia? Take a break. We recognized you.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 2 November 2017 14: 48 New
                      +4
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      Ksenia? Take a break. We recognized you.

                      What can you say ... well, exactly according to Lavrov-DB. fool
                      1. sergo1914
                        sergo1914 2 November 2017 16: 59 New
                        +6
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Quote: sergo1914
                        Ksenia? Take a break. We recognized you.

                        What can you say ... well, exactly according to Lavrov-DB. fool


                        Well, what can you say ... epic self-esteem.
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 2 November 2017 18: 20 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Can you explain why I, as a taxpayer, have to pay money for the maintenance of Kadyrov and Putin? as well as Medvedev, Kudrin, Gref, etc.?

                      So who makes you that? Leave and you will be happy, since you do not want to pay and you are not satisfied with the leadership. And you want something to change, so go ahead: write an application for the presidency and change in the country what you don’t like. Do not want to the presidency, go to the Duma.
                      Does someone hold you by the legs, or just under vodka in the kitchen, or here on VO is very happy to blame Putin, Shoigu, etc.?
                      There are plenty of options ... but it’s more fun and convenient for you to sit here and havit everything that happens in the Russian Federation. And people like you will never be happy with the government, because if the government is like Stalin’s, you’ll sit in a rag and be silent, afraid to get logged ... well, if such a government as Putin’s, then God himself ordered to yell and leave shit on fan. Nothing would suit you even under the tsar, because you are always dissatisfied with everything.
                      And on the topic ... would it be normal for you personally if parades, festivals and concerts with fireworks were held at the graves of your ancestors?
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 November 2017 18: 46 New
                        +4
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Leave and you will be happy

                        Nah, I won’t go! My homeland is here!
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        but it’s more fun and convenient for you to sit here and havit everything that happens in the Russian Federation.

                        Do you know what is going on?
                        But this is what happens: total mortality, medicine, goes to zero, education is only the enthusiasm of teachers, whose average age is approaching 50 years. Addiction and alcoholism, population degradation. Beggarly salaries in Zamkadye are those who generally have a job.
                        A busted industry.
                        Total CORRUPTION !!!
                        Here they are your achievements.
                        Oil painting!
                        So much so I don’t need to rub in.
                        And remember, I'm on my LAND !!!
                        And the invaders want to destroy this Earth of mine, but I am the opposite!
                        So see?
                        And you can continue to drown for the "right course" and "bright future" in the abyss.
                        I wish you hello. I have the honor! soldier
                        Threat. look carefully and listen to the words .... from 3.50
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2017 18: 57 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Nah, I won’t go! My homeland is here!

                        So is mine!
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Do you know what is going on?

                        B ... Listen, this manner already infuriates ... when you taste everything and how you chew on small children.
                        Not tired of whining and complaining? When was it good in Russia? Under the king, under Stalin, under Putin? ALWAYS WAS NOT A FOUNTAIN. And here it is not necessary to broadcast evidence with the appearance of an apostle.
                        From branch to branch, b ... the same thing.
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Here they are your achievements.

                        What are they mine? What nonsense! You living on this earth have nothing to do with this? Or have you decided to play a saint here? Or weren’t you here when you chose Putin? You have a cunning stance - you are all geeks hypocritical here, and I Dartanyan with angel wings. Ugh. Hypocrisy for three quarters stinks.
                        Sorry for the broken dishes.
                3. AUL
                  AUL 2 November 2017 14: 14 New
                  +4
                  Wow how badens1111 raging! Already monitor saliva splattered! I didn’t ask him a question, really, but I got nervous, for some reason, he. Oh well, I’ll answer him.
                  I want to tell you that people become personal when there are no arguments. I dare to assure you that I do not cherish your opinion about yourself so that your insults offend me. In fact, I won’t be upset if a mongrel from the fence barks at me on the street! So you can stick any labels on me - a scarecrow, anti-adviser, Russophobe, an agent of the State Department or whatever else your violent imagination tells you - somehow I do not care. Your quotes from the textbooks “Scientific Communism” and “History of the CPSU” have been familiar to me since my youth (but how, I studied them) and do not convince me of anything. Like quoting from Russell, Berman and other authorities. I can give a bunch of quotes of no less authoritative figures with exactly the opposite opinion. So stay with your convictions, and I, thank God, have others. I will not answer you anymore, your communication style - "bitchy communal neighbor" - does not suit me.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 45 New
                    +4
                    Quote: AUL
                    Already monitor saliva splattered!

                    Take a napkin and wipe everything that has flowed from you. You have neither arguments, nor a few useful facts, INSURANCE is what all your company does here.
                    You are not the same Russell or some other world-class figure, your level, cave Russophobia and anti-Sovietism of gentlemen such as Chubais, Sytin, Drandin and other populations, which are already not accepted by society.
                    Quote: AUL
                    Your quotes from the textbooks "Scientific Communism" and "History of the CPSU" have been familiar to me since youth (but how, I studied it)

                    "Studied" more precisely, you from generation to generation who have jumped and learned nothing. Despair is worthy of those who, while serving the same ideals, woke up in the morning at once repainted and began to blame for what they had previously served. Have the people aptly given such a characterization, did they hear about the fig tree?
                    Quote: AUL
                    I can give a bunch of quotes of no less authoritative figures with exactly the opposite opinion.

                    Go ahead, do not forget Hitler, Mussolini, McCarthy and a couple of others like them. A little thing like Chubais Svanidz and dog do not consider.
                    Quote: AUL
                    I will not answer you anymore, your communication style - "bitchy communal neighbor" - does not suit me.

                    The neighbor herself piled up dirt, and she herself blamed the neighbors for this? You’ve famously yourself, as the non-commissioned officer widow carved.
                    Your failure, in a dispute, where as obvious.
            3. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 2 November 2017 13: 28 New
              +8
              In China, two mausoleums and nothing.
              1.Sun Yat-sen's Mausoleum in Nanjing
              2. Mao Zedong in Beijing on Tiananmen Square, the largest in the world, It was opened on the anniversary of the death of Mao on September 9, 1977.
              The decision to preserve the body of Lenin and the construction of the mausoleum was made by our ancestors. You just need to respect your history. their ancestors.
              Maybe the history of Russia can be taken and taken out and buried deeper. ??????? 7 There was nothing and nobody ..........
            4. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 2 November 2017 14: 12 New
              +9
              Quote: Vladimir16
              A HUGE number of people in the country have grown with respect for Lenin.

              In Soviet times, at the official level, they honored the memory of the heroes of the fatherland not only from the time of the USSR, but also of tsarist Russia such as Ivan IV the Terrible, Peter I, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bagration, Kutuzov, Bering, Przhevalsky, Kruzenshtern and many, many others. In Soviet times, no one downplayed their services to the country due to the fact that they served "for the tsar", on the contrary, they called them the names of the order, streets, avenues, straits, etc.
              Now these creatures are trying to cross out 70 years of history, as if it never existed at all - a black hole instead of the achievements of the USSR (Yeltsin Center, opened by Putin to help). Who of modern youth now knows who Chapaev, Budyonny or Voroshilov are who were the heroes of our childhood? Everything! Now they are the killers of “innocent people,” with the opening of the “Western Wall” and Putin’s speech. Communism and everything Soviet in Russia has already been declared an open, merciless war. Putin gave a signal and the pack opened barking. He thereby wants to achieve "unity of the nation"? This will reach the Ukrainian Maidan if they do not have time to brainwash everyone with their anti-Sovietism.
              The question is, why are our powers that be better than Ukrainian banderlogs with their "de-occupation of communism" and the whole of Soviet?
              Look, as soon as Lenin and the Mausoleum are removed from Red Square, in a few years the authorities will introduce a new “official” version that the Americans won the Great Patriotic War, Stalin was a friend of Hitler, and the Russians would have found the Pacific Ocean in ancient times!
              The collapse of the country is gaining momentum.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 2 November 2017 14: 35 New
                +6
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                In Soviet times, at the official level, they honored the memory of the heroes of the fatherland not only from the time of the USSR, but also of tsarist Russia such as Ivan IV the Terrible, Peter I, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bagration, Kutuzov, Bering, Przhevalsky, Kruzenshtern and many, many others.

                But from Suvorov, Bering, Kutuzov and so on, no one made a stuffed animal and did not put it on public display.
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                Now these creatures are trying to cross out 70 years of history,

                How? Burying this mummy? Your memory does not work without a visual pendell? Why the mummy is there? So as not to be forgotten? So in every city there are so many monuments and streets with this name that even you want to, you will not forget. Have you ever taken your children to this crypt?
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 2 November 2017 14: 58 New
                  +8
                  NEXUS Why the mummy is there? So as not to be forgotten?

                  To not forget!
                  "Crypt" interfere? And you built it "reformers", no? Then it’s not for you to decide whether or not to endure it!
                  The body of Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov in the church-mausoleum near Vinnitsa, not to mention the mummies of Tutankhamun, Ramses, etc., do not bother you?
                  Mausoleum of Mao Zedong of China, Beijing,
                  Mausoleum of Kim Il Sung (Pyongyang North Korea),
                  Mausoleum ** Grant (New York, USA) **
                  Mausoleum of Che Guevara (Santa Clara, Cuba)
                  Khomeini Mausoleum (Tehran, Iran)
                  Mausoleum of Enver - Albania,
                  Mausoleum of Mustafa Kemal (Ankara Turia)
                  Mausoleum of Macboratshoara (Tabriz, Iran)
                  Taji Mausoleum - Mahal
                  Also do not disturb or do not disturb because they were not Bolsheviks?
                  Is it only Lenin with his Mausoleum that hinders the complete victory of the liberal coven?
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 2 November 2017 15: 06 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Sovetskiy
                    To not forget!

                    Do you have bad memory? Or too lazy to give children books to read about their acts of Lenin? This, I'm sorry, looks more like a dumb excuse than an argument. If he is buried, what will change? Your memory will become worse? Who will stop you from coming to his grave?
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 37 New
                      +3
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Or too lazy to give children books to read about their acts of Lenin?

                      Apparently you do not interfere with reading, because everything that you give out here, shows your absolute ignorance.
                      You remind the characters in the program of Solovyov, Sytin, Drandin and Pivovarov with Chubais in one bottle, agree .. your company is extremely not important ..
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2017 17: 42 New
                        +4
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Apparently you do not interfere with reading, because everything that you give out here, shows your absolute ignorance.
                        You remind the characters in the program of Solovyov, Sytin, Drandin and Pivovarov with Chubais in one bottle, agree .. your company is extremely not important ..

                        Again, the transition to personality. wassat Well, how do you predict in your spraying with saliva and tugging vest on the chest. wassat
                        What does your arrogance know no boundaries at all.
                        I’ll explain for those especially indignant.
                        With what fright, do you insult me, accuse me of ignorance, for my money even at the same time? I, as a TAXPAYER, as well as many people who do not agree to keep the corpse in the center of the country, do not understand WHAT VEGETABLES AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CONTENT OF THIS STUDENT, YET TO HEAR YOUR COMMUNIST Nonsense WITH ACCOMPLISHES AND DUMPY?
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 November 2017 19: 46 New
                        +3
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Again, the transition to personality. Well, how do you predict in your spraying with saliva and tugging vest on the chest.

                        Are you talking about yourself?
                        Yes, today you are more rude than ever and, frankly speaking, make the impression of a not quite adequate person.
                        At the expense of proletarian-RULES, they do not allow you to say where you should be sent, for the arrogant rudeness, lies and bowel movements that you have piled here.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        I, as a TAXPAYER, as well as many people who do not agree to keep the corpse in the center of the country, do not understand WHAT VEGETABLES AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CONTENT OF THIS STUDENT, YET TO HEAR YOUR COMMUNIST Nonsense WITH ACCOMPLISHES AND DUMPY?


                        Let’s leave your readers impudent rudeness and insults, let’s look at the dubious “authority” of the site, which, due to self-conceit at the expense of taxes, has been blown away .. do you see the taxpayer WHERE IN WHAT! GRAPH tax return do you indicate payment, for the Mausoleum?
                        So liberal liberal, look at yourself in the mirror, your physiognomy has already shifted from hatred towards people who live by their own labor, and not at the expense of the labor of others.
                        You can write a trick saying they offended you.
                        I’ll understand why you started to slander the arguments — ZERO, the facts you have ZERO, but the dirt is higher than the roof, so you have to compose the slander, oh, offended, oh, supposedly propaganda .. I remember here such novels, the same expired with hatred, was rude to everyone to the right and to the left, you seized the palm of rudeness from him?
                  2. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 2 November 2017 17: 56 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Sovetskiy
                    Is it only Lenin with his Mausoleum that hinders the complete victory of the liberal coven?

                    Listen, Soviet ... when you pay for the storage of this corpse, and all the defenders of the idea to "leave the corpse in the Mausoleum", and not all the citizens of the Russian Federation, then you can bubble as much as you like. To me, as a citizen of the Russian Federation and a taxpayer, finding this corpse on Red Square seems like complete idiocy.
                    At the same time, paying taxes to the treasury, of which this effigy is contained, I must listen to all your nonsense and slogans. The question arises: WHAT VEGETABLE?
                2. bonussp
                  bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 01 New
                  +7
                  The mummy of surgeon Pirogov is also a stuffed animal? For you, all relics that are not buried around the world are stuffed? If so, then real stuffed animals are like you. Demand the burial of yourself! According to Christian or other customs.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 2 November 2017 15: 16 New
                    +5
                    Quote: bonussp
                    all over the world relics are stuffed?

                    It’s hard to come up with more nonsense ... The relics are mummified, dear? The relics themselves are NOT perishable! In addition, relics are not the whole corpse of a person, but only part of it: rib, finger, etc.
                    Quote: bonussp
                    Demand the burial of yourself!

                    Dear, you asked Lenin how he would like to be buried? Che sit smart?
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 39 New
                      +3
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Dear, you asked Lenin how he would like to be buried? Che sit smart?

                      Indeed, what you are clever, not you buried, and not for you to dig out.
                      They made a decision in 1924, that’s how it should be, and you continue to shower curses on the monitor ... since you are not able to do anything more intelligent.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2017 17: 48 New
                        +3
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Indeed, what you are clever, not you buried, and not for you to dig out.

                        Yes, I’m calm, respected communal yaril. wassat You, in addition to slogans and gurgling of slurred words, didn’t explain to the public why I and many citizens of the Russian Federation who are for burial should pay their hard-earned money for the maintenance of your half-rotten idol? At the same time, listen to the ravings of such apologists as you about the fact that it is important for the country where the corpse is located on the main square.
                  2. ver_
                    ver_ 4 November 2017 10: 04 New
                    0
                    ... Pirogov-a doctor-surgeon-worked miracles (in his time), and not the leader of a gang of Jews ...
            5. badens1111
              badens1111 2 November 2017 15: 11 New
              +4
              Quote: Vladimir16
              Kadyrov with the filing of Sobchak fanning the fire

              Now Poklonskaya has joined this obscene affair, as the main party in the Ö, there’s not enough bust of the insignificant Nikolashka, who suddenly splashed the line somewhere, there’s little advertising for the TEACHER’s film, so now she rushed to expose Lenin .. her, such deputies, us in the State Duma is clearly superfluous.
              Instead of fighting CORRUPTION destroying the country, this madame, is engaged in everything and nothing useful ..
            6. Yasen Ping
              Yasen Ping 2 November 2017 18: 55 New
              +2
              There is something else involved, it’s important to remove a lot from our memory ... I came across the fact that we still live in the USSR, justified .... The USSR did not imply two citizenships, it was decayed, and then the RF, that is, we were in one state, and then they became automatically in another, but there should be a procedure for accepting this new citizenship, who had it ??? no one had it, we are de facto residents of the USSR, not only that, the referendum says that there was the USSR, I’ll also say that many laws of the USSR have not yet been repealed, it’s actually the removal of the template, and some especially smart ones use it ... So Kadyrov, let him be Putin’s infantry, Let’s talk about Ermolov, let’s talk like the peoples of the Caucasus, live as robbery and robbery of Russia, how they stole our people into slavery in Turkey, let them talk why they didn’t shoot everyone, but only exiled, Stalin was very warm-hearted towards them when they were Crimean Tatars, that the Chechens all in all went over to the side of the Nazis, with the exception of units, that we were extolled that there were heroes from their people ... these were just a few, but the people ...
            7. igorka357
              igorka357 3 November 2017 07: 13 New
              0
              Of course, you will excuse me, but if there’s no waiting list for the grave of V.I. Lenin, then answer why she’s standing in the mausoleum now, but I’ll tell you .. look at the mummy of a great man! Now if there are lines to his grave in the cemetery, then there’s another conversation, it will be seen that people respect and remember! But I think there will be no queues, there is nothing to look at the grave, nowhere to go back, you will not tell your friends that they stood five or six hours in line to look at the tombstone of Lenin! You saw these lines in the mausoleum, 70-80% of 25, up to 30 years old .. don’t tell me .. they are yeah, but ask oh attempted the life of the leader of the proletariat, and hell will answer you. Yes, just ask what the proletariat is wink ? Yes, and about 90 percent are tourists, how to be on Red Square and not visit the body of Lenin! That's all there is to it! Although the body is already not as such at all. Well, let Kadyrov give advice in his region, and if V.I. Lenin has a corpse and not a body, then his imam does not have a head, but a skull! And indeed it’s not for the Chechen to give Russian advice on how to deal with the body of his once leader!
          2. ID90
            ID90 2 November 2017 13: 05 New
            +4
            Quote: Logall
            Quote: ID90
            Quote: Logall
            What the hell is Kadyrov climbing to the leader? He is not the leader of world Wahhabism! He is the leader of the world proletariat! How did he know about the proletarians?

            he is Putin's personal footman.

            Do you know exactly who the proletariat are?
            Open dictionary yes

            and what is the connection between the Kadyrov and the proletariat? belay
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 2 November 2017 13: 22 New
              13
              ID90
              and what is the connection between the Kadyrov and the proletariat? belay
              And the fact that Kadyrov has never been a proletarian, but he acts primarily on behalf of his national bourgeoisie, as well as on behalf of the oligarchy of our entire country, as on behalf of the entire state as the constituent people of the USSR / Russia - under the guise of supposedly CLASSLESS modern Russian society!
              But we do not live on the moon, but in the real world!
              1. Logall
                Logall 2 November 2017 13: 45 New
                13
                Tatyana love !
                You, as always, understood me correctly!
                Thank you hi
        2. stolz
          stolz 2 November 2017 12: 20 New
          13
          How much does this Kadyrov take upon himself? Who gave him the right to speculate about what everything was ours yesterday? Let him deal with his wild Chukmeks and not go into his own business, but we will deal with the Mausoleum without snotty ones.
          1. ID90
            ID90 2 November 2017 13: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Stolz
            How much does this Kadyrov take upon himself? Who gave him the right to speculate about what everything was ours yesterday? Let him deal with his wild Chukmeks and not go into his own business, but we will deal with the Mausoleum without snotty ones.

            see the ureter in the toilets the small dough sends.
        3. bagr69
          bagr69 2 November 2017 12: 28 New
          14
          In general, a cemetery in the central square of the country is really not the case.
          As a matter of fact, parades, concerts and various entertainment events are held right in the immediate vicinity of the graves.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 07 New
            11
            Quote: bagr69
            In general, a cemetery in the central square of the country is really not the case.

            What are you ?!
            Right?
            But are clowns and other aphrodivers in the center of the country normal? Slow down already, grave diggers.
            Lenin is buried. As the founder of the Russian Federation and the USSR, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was buried with the highest state honors on January 27, 1924.
            By the way, contemporaries didn’t doubt that Lenin was buried. Newspaper articles and notes of January-March 1924 were full of headlines: “Lenin's grave”, “At the grave of Ilyich”, “At Lenin's grave”, etc.
            Statement by Olga Dmitrievna Ulyanova, Lenin’s native niece: “I have repeatedly stated and will repeat once again that I am categorically against the reburial of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. There is no reason for this. Even religious. The sarcophagus in which he lies is three meters below ground level, which corresponds to burials according to Russian custom, and the Orthodox canon. ”
            And the form of burial was determined by the country's highest authority - the II All-Union Congress of Soviets - in the ground, at a depth of three meters in the crypt above which the Mausoleum was erected.
            The most famous example is the burial in the open for viewing sarcophagus of the great Russian surgeon Nikolai Pirogov near Vinnitsa. The sarcophagus with the coffin of the great scientist is placed in a crypt, which is one of the forms of burial in the ground and has been on display for almost 130 years. As it is written in the definition of the Holy Synod in St. Petersburg, “so that the disciples and followers of the noble and godly deeds of the servant of God, N.I. Pirogov could contemplate his bright appearance.
            Here is an excerpt from the conclusion of the Chairman of the CEC Commission of the USSR on funeral V. I. Ulyanov (Lenin) F. Dzerzhinsky: “Meeting the wishes of the broad masses of the USSR and other countries - to see the appearance of the late leader, the funeral committee V. I. Ulyanov (Lenin ) decided to take the measures available to modern science for the longest possible preservation of the body. "
            How, in this case, is the decision of the state body of the Russian Empire, which was the Holy Synod, which allowed "to see the bright face" of the departed scientist Pirogov to his students and admirers, different from the same decision of the supreme body of state power in the person of the Congress of Soviets and the Central Executive Committee of the USSR? Nothing?
            Then why is everything calm on the first occasion, and is there universal ecstasy on the second?
            Scientist and publicist A.S. Abramov, Chairman of the Board of the Charitable Public Organization (Fund) for the Preservation of the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin, cited more than once in the media the response of the RCCHIDNI (this is the former Central Party Archive) to the request of the Yeltsin administration regarding the will of Lenin. The official response to the president of the Russian Federation says that "there is not a single document of Lenin, his relatives or relatives regarding Lenin’s last will to be buried in a particular Russian cemetery."
            1. NKT
              NKT 2 November 2017 14: 00 New
              +9
              Only here it is not necessary to talk about Russian custom or about any other.

              If you refer to the fact that it lies at a depth of three meters, then you have to admit that it is exhumed every year or two. Then he takes a bath for 2-3 months with a solution, which, by the way, is already located above ground level. And so it has been going on for decades.

              And what religion do that?

              Leave his body alone. It is possible to give credit to a person even without seeing his body.
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 2 November 2017 14: 03 New
                +3
                Quote: NKT
                And what religion do that?

                For Buddhists, for example, Ichigelov, a familiar surname? No? Well then, look.
                In what Russian custom is TRIMMING at graves? Have you invented a new custom? Together with Zhirinovsky?
                Well, here is the answer to you.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KebVqd-6t1w
                1. NKT
                  NKT 2 November 2017 14: 10 New
                  +2
                  Is Lenin a Buddhist? And I do not see any parallel. He (your example) is not reached every year and does not carry out procedures.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 15: 12 New
                    +2
                    Quote: NKT
                    NKT

                    Liberal? Do not deny that is what you are.
                    What makes the liberal and mankurt in common is the groaning of everything and everything that was in History, this smearing with mud of everyone and everyone who does not want to live according to the laws of social Darwinism, so dear to the liberals.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 2 November 2017 15: 31 New
                      +5
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Liberal? Do not deny that is what you are.

                      When the argument ends, they begin to sculpt cliches and pass on to the individual.
                      Quote: badens1111
                      What makes liberal and mankurt in common is the groaning of everything and everyone

                      That is, the idea of ​​burying Lenin as a person is in your opinion okhayivanie everything and everyone? Hmm ... fool
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 33 New
                        +3
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Hmm ..

                        You showed yourself an emoticon, thanks, I will consider.
                        As for the argument, you do not have it, from the word at all.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        When the argument ends, they begin to sculpt cliches and turn to personalities

                        If you call you, for example, Petrushka, then yes, there will be a transition to the personality and then, with an interference, but according to your comments and ideas, what are you pushing here, well, liberal, dirty ideas like that, from fear or what?
                      2. ver_
                        ver_ 8 November 2017 12: 59 New
                        0
                        ..but this is from youthful maximalism ...
                    2. NKT
                      NKT 2 November 2017 16: 40 New
                      +3
                      So, the arguments ended “about three meters”, there were no folders with instructions and links on the desktop? Did you use everything?
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2017 17: 21 New
                        +5
                        Quote: NKT
                        So, the arguments ended “about three meters”, there were no folders with instructions and links on the desktop? Did you use everything?

                        But what can you say if the apologists for this stuffed animal do not see the difference between the mummy and the relics.
                        At the same time, they cliche cliches on all dissenting citizens of the Russian Federation for their own money, like taxpayers who pay for all procedures for storing this stuffed animal. Okay so ... simple such little people. laughing
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 34 New
                        +2
                        Quote: NKT
                        Did you use everything?

                        You?
                        A set of rumors, gossip, everyone finished, there are still attempts to hurt me?
                        Well, let’s laugh at the clowning.
              2. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 2 November 2017 15: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: NKT
                Leave his body alone. It is possible to give credit to a person even without seeing his body.

                That is, Pirogov bury and all other mummies in the world, too, well, so as not to "mock" the body and left alone? Yes, you old man is a religious revolutionary. Such were called fanatics before.
                1. NKT
                  NKT 2 November 2017 16: 31 New
                  +1
                  And you and you like behave like Americans, ascribe to me what I did not say (about Pirogov and other bodies) and hang labels on people. For you, the body of Lenin = the body of the mummy? People like you always have only two colors.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 29 New
                    +3
                    Quote: NKT
                    And you and your like behave like Americans

                    They involuntarily blabbed? But it is from there that all these little ideas come, to break here, to draw it, to bury those, to forget and repent before some scum.
                    So you have already said enough about yourself to understand that you have completely ousted from consciousness the understanding of the fact that as soon as you and your kind, sort of solve the question that they’ll bury you and there will be manna from heaven, then they will put you before the fact that you have nothing to do with Victory 45, since you were a country with a criminal ideology and criminal leaders, in your opinion, and after that you will be left without a country, which will leave the land to the natives ..
                    1. NKT
                      NKT 2 November 2017 17: 50 New
                      +1
                      Chatted, little ideas, crowded out, manna from heaven, year 45, etc.

                      Who I am - I already understood. Arguments will be about three meters or not?
                      1. igorka357
                        igorka357 3 November 2017 07: 24 New
                        +2
                        Yes, he will have no arguments, when the actual arguments and arguments end, such people crawl into such jungle ... that moms don’t grieve. He has already dragged amers, and he has already recorded us as agents!
                2. AUL
                  AUL 2 November 2017 17: 10 New
                  +1
                  That is, Pirogov bury and all other mummies in the world, too, well, so as not to "mock" the body and left alone?
                  Regarding Pirogov, it was his will, his choice. Lenin did not ask for this. As for the remaining mummies - do not care.
                  And further. Here, many discuss the role of Lenin in history. Who is a plus, who is a minus. But the point is not in assessing his merits or crimes. The question is whether it is worthy for the dead man to lie on public display, or should he be interred in accordance with universal human customs?
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 2 November 2017 17: 25 New
                    +4
                    Quote: AUL
                    The question is whether it is worthy for the dead man to lie on public display, or should he be interred in accordance with universal human customs?

                    Again, "On the stake, start from the beginning."
                    Believer?
                    I quote: Lenin buried as the founder of the Russian Federation and the USSR, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was buried with the highest state honors on 27 of January 1924 of the year. "The burial of V.I. Lenin from the standpoint of modern legislation, and it takes into account the existing Orthodox cultural traditions of the Russian people, it should be recognized crypt and the Mausoleum above it is fully consistent with modern laws of the Russian Federation.
                    The embalmed body of Lenin rests in a coffin-sarcophagus at a depth of three meters underground, which fully complies with the norms of the Federal Law “On Burial and Funeral” of 12.01.1996. land (burial in a grave, crypt). " And the body of Lenin, I recall once again, buried in the crypt (vaulted tomb buried in the ground).
                    Does your church require to bury Lenin? Then why does it not demand from the catalytic church with which it is now hobbling, for example, the burial of the embalmed body of Pope John XXIII, namely Lenin? Revenge of the church to the godless?)
                  2. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 29 New
                    +4
                    Quote: AUL
                    The question is whether it is worthy for the dead man to lie on public display, or should he be interred in accordance with universal human customs?

                    Stop talking already, buried by LAW.
                    1. Sotskiy
                      Sotskiy 2 November 2017 19: 58 New
                      +2
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Quote: AUL
                      The question is whether it is worthy for the dead man to lie on public display, or should he be interred in accordance with universal human customs?

                      Stop talking already, buried by LAW.

                      The authorities with their filigree taught the people that the law is not a wall - you can move it, or you can bypass it, or you can stupidly rewrite it to suit the current situation (the benefit of a pocket State Duma with a majority on a short leash), raising noise in the media with such stuffing, preparing the opinion of the "public" for the "inevitable".
                      From there the fantasies of the especially insane went wild.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 November 2017 20: 01 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        From there the fantasies of the especially insane went wild.

                        Yes.
                        on the example of NEXUS, who is completely numb in hatred, to see what is the level of their "thinking"
                    2. ver_
                      ver_ 3 November 2017 16: 08 New
                      0
                      ..the law that draws ... - as ordered from the top (and this is not the Almighty) - that’s right ... - .. don’t fight the strong, do not sue the rich ..
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 2 November 2017 17: 10 New
              +4
              Quote: badens1111
              The official response to the president of the Russian Federation says that "there is not a single document of Lenin, his relatives or relatives regarding Lenin’s last will to be buried in a particular Russian cemetery."

              And so they decided to put it on Red Square. Moreover, designating this area is essentially a graveyard. And after that, to arrange parades on it, concerts, receptions ... stupidly marching on bones. Maybe during the USSR it had some kind of symbolism, but now, excuse me, what is the point of finding this mummy on Red Square not buried? Amuse the communists? So bury in the cemetery and let the communists go to his grave and go, who forbids it?
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 24 New
                +3
                Quote: NEXUS
                And then, arrange parades on it,

                PARADE, yes, as a CELEBRATION of the country.
                But the clown dance was you and your kind, you essentially have nothing sacred. Give you free rein. You and St. Basil, arrange dances of some sort of Serebryanikov.
                Quote: NEXUS
                Maybe under the USSR it had some kind of symbolism

                WHERE did they throw the banners of the defeated Third Reich? And why exactly there, and not in any other place?
                You do not celebrate the Victory of 1945, this is not your holiday. It is NOT that flag, not that ideology, and indeed defeated the country as a matter of fact, yours, those who today mock the country.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 2 November 2017 17: 34 New
                  +4
                  Quote: badens1111
                  PARADE, yes, as a CELEBRATION of the country.

                  So let's arrange a parade near the graves of your ancestors, with festivities, with the songs of the Cord, with fireworks ... here we go straight along the graves with a brisk step, minting a step and go through.
                  Quote: badens1111
                  You do not celebrate the Victory of 1945, this is not your holiday. It is NOT that flag, not that ideology, and indeed defeated the country as a matter of fact, yours, those who today mock the country.

                  You cannot be stubborn. The people fought for their MOTHERLAND! And not for a half-rotten mummy. fool
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 19: 53 New
                    +2
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    You are stubbornly impossible.

                    Unfortunately, you are stupid to the point of insanity.
                    Shkolota, who uses terms such as “tenacity”, etc., what do you have in your undeveloped head extremities?
                    The people fought for their homeland, the former USSR at that time, is it able to understand your undeveloped intellect? And you, with your slops, wallow in the mud the generation that won the war, being knocked out by almost half, people born in 1918-1922, BEST people if you don’t understand it.
                    Two VKPb squads lay down in the ground, for the sake of Victory - do you kick them? Who are you?
                    In Ukraine, people like you are already suffocating in blood and pus, are you preparing this for Russia?
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 2 November 2017 20: 11 New
                      +5
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Unfortunately, you are stupid to the point of insanity.

                      Listen ... reading your fiery opuses, one association suggests itself - CIRCUS OF DUSAL.
                      Quote: badens1111
                      The people fought for their homeland, the former USSR at that time

                      Verno. FOR A MOTHERLAND, NOT FOR A HOUSEHOLD HOUSE, which had to be buried for a long time.
                      Under the USSR, to keep this mummy can and did it make sense to keep, but now what the hell is it there?
                      Then with your easy hand, let's put Stalin next to him. He was lying there. Why did they pull that out? Khrushchev-Judah ordered? So he was also a product of the Union.
                      And there is no argument in your opus, from the word at all. There are slogans and cliches and nothing more.
                      So calm down, miracle. Drink valerian, otherwise the vessel in a weak head will burst and that's it.
                      And now I take my leave, maybe I think talking with such an opponent is a waste of time. hi
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 2 November 2017 20: 22 New
                        +2
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        CIRCUS OF DUSALEY.

                        And you as ... not solid.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Khrushchev-Judah ordered?

                        And what is it that you are disowning from your accomplices on business, he secretly buried Stalin, do you strive to create the same saome with Lenin, how are you different? Did that landmine land in 91 exploded, you really are building a sapper here? the abomination of his swarming?
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And there is no argument in your opus, from the word at all. There are slogans and cliches and nothing more.

                        Due to your ignorance, you and the Sun are not a star, and it revolves around the Earth. Where are your arguments? Rudeness in bulk, where is the argument of the mind, and not the arrogance of the boor?
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        So calm down, miracle. Drink valerian, otherwise the vessel in a weak head will burst and that's it.

                        Pour in. You Romanova to help.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And now I take my leave, maybe I think talking with such an opponent is a waste of time.

                        Indeed, in vain wasted time on the waste and the boor.
          2. INVESTOR
            INVESTOR 2 November 2017 13: 50 New
            0
            Again Kadyrov is not getting into his own business. It seems that they have already decided that we will give Lenin to Lukashenka. fellow
          3. bonussp
            bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 11 New
            +3
            Before the revolution, there was a trading market on Red Square. Do you like it better? And if we remove the cemetery from the square, then we begin with the relics of St. Basil the Blessed, which lie in the church of the same name. These relics must also be buried in a Christian way!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 2 November 2017 17: 15 New
              +5
              Quote: bonussp
              And if we remove the cemetery from the square, then we begin with the relics of St. Basil the Blessed,

              For the uneducated ... the relics are first in the temple, and not in the square. The second, relics, unlike a stuffed animal, are not mummified and are part of the body (rib, finger, etc.) ... THEY ARE NOT APRIOR MISSING. And the third thing, what did Lenin do, in comparison with kings and saints, that his mummy is TODAY held as a VIP person not in a church or in the Kremlin wall?
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 2 November 2017 17: 21 New
                +3
                Quote: NEXUS
                And the third thing that Lenin did in comparison with kings and saints

                He did something that other kings could not afford and could do. Yes, and for some time you have some saints ... well, like Nicholas 2, by the efforts of the ROCOR, and this organization during the Great Patriotic War singed aliulya to Hitler that he the devil was glad .. here and you have such holiness ..
                WHERE did they throw the banners of the broken Germany?
                Quote: NEXUS
                Second, the relics, unlike the stuffed animals, are not mummified and are part of the body (rib, finger, etc.).

                But what are you ?? Byad is something like kak .. and when they opened part of the so-called "relics", and there, in addition to cotton wool rags and do not understand what, NOTHING and nothing, is that what?
                You Nexus, in your rage, just like those in the country of 404, have done things, to this day we disentangle, are you striving there too?
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                2. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 2 November 2017 18: 28 New
                  +4
                  Quote: badens1111
                  Yes, and for some time you have some saints ... well, like Nicholas 2,

                  That's how tricky the position is ... wassat That is, Lenin is our story, and Nikolai is not a story at all, but a vyser of the liberal intelligentsia. laughing Conveniently you settled down, odd. wassat
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 19: 58 New
                    +2
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    That's how tricky the position is ...

                    Do you? Yes.
                    Nicholas 2 is our history, as an example of mediocrity, on a par with Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
                    Lenin, Stalin, Peter 1, John the Terrible, Alexander Nevsky Dmitry Donskoy-HERE is my story, and yours is Vlasov, Krasnov, Kolchaks and Dogs with Chubais.
                    And all your arguments here are like a TV chatterbox, Nadezhdin-one to one, a sad sight.
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Conveniently you settled down, odd.

                    Liberal boor, you have a complete frustration of brain activity.
                    Rudeness is a sign of a near mind.
                    1. igorka357
                      igorka357 3 November 2017 07: 35 New
                      0
                      Yeltsin, of course, was that leader and drunkard, but he also has merits for Russia .. he left her receiver with a huge stabilization fund!
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 07: 45 New
                        +9
                        Quote: igorka357
                        Yeltsin ... left her (RF) to a receiver with a huge stabilization fund!

                        To the garden, to school ...
                        Stabilization Fund of the Russian Federation was created in 2004 city
                        All that the EBN left behind is a public debt, see picture.
          4. NEXUS
            NEXUS 2 November 2017 16: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: bagr69
            concerts and various recreational activities are held right in the vicinity of the graves.

            ON THE BONES!
        4. peta locksmith
          peta locksmith 2 November 2017 12: 48 New
          +5
          Glavcheche- personal infantryman of himself

          while the center brings down babosy in Chechnya - Putin’s personal footman
          the center will stop fooling about babosy - the chief Chechen - a personal infantryman of the Saudis, well, or who else will give money
          godfather of the chief Chechen reconciled with Moscow only when he realized what kind of material !!! benefits to him and his teip are brought by a world centered
          if the godfather of the chief Chechen did not feel the benefit, I would still shoot our guys
          current glavchech is the same

          showed Lyalya fashion in Zaryadye and be satisfied !!!
          and then, you, erysipelas, took fashion to reason, where it does not concern
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 3 November 2017 07: 36 New
            +1
            As you put it, Chech, they drove them all into the mountains a long time ago ... and there was nothing left to wait for an order .. but the majority came down, yes, in a truce!
        5. stas
          stas 2 November 2017 12: 56 New
          +9
          Kadyrov is loyal to Allah, and on occasion will betray Putin for the sake of Allah with the cry of "Allah Akbar"
          Deceiving a non-Muslim Quran is a good thing.
          1. sir_obs
            sir_obs 2 November 2017 13: 21 New
            +5
            A Russian liberal will deceive you and sell you without a Qur'an on the cheap, for a Russian liberal this is not just a good thing, that’s his sense of life.
      2. Berber
        Berber 2 November 2017 12: 02 New
        17
        How do you like cling labels. He lives in our country with you and heads the republic. Should he have his own opinion? At least on these grounds.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 2 November 2017 12: 44 New
          +6
          Berber
          How do you like cling labels. He lives in our country with you and heads the republic. Should he have his own opinion? At least on these grounds.
          How many people are there in this republic if it acts on its behalf? And how many people are in the whole country ?! The national minority is the national MINORITY - and it should not be self-dominating over the national MOST, but reckon with the national MOST!
          If I'm not mistaken, then this same Kadyrov said not so long ago that he HATE Stalin! We, too, most of us should hate STALIN ?!
          Bad politician Kadyrov - immature! He will bring Russia and his people, as well as all of us, for the most part to the trouble!
          1. Berber
            Berber 2 November 2017 16: 02 New
            +1
            Zhirinovsky at the head of state would do the same. Yes, and there are many politicians who are not suitable for the presidency. But he, as a catalyst, and his opinion is also important.
        2. bonussp
          bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 14 New
          +2
          His opinion is the right of every citizen. Only public people better keep their opinions to themselves. There may be political consequences.
      3. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 2 November 2017 12: 08 New
        13
        Kadyrov, of course, is a serious man. But it’s clearly not getting into its business.
        And Lenin in the Mausoleum acts on the current "masters of life" and their henchmen, like living water on all sorts of vampires. How much screech.
      4. aws4
        aws4 2 November 2017 12: 11 New
        +4
        If I were a convinced communist and loved Ilyich, I would only be betrayed to the earth ... you know, I have a friend of his whole (Cossack) family cut out in civilian red, there was only one girl who was his grandmother .. so he was happy and gloated that Lenin was in the mausoleum ... he said something like that - (but Stalin did at least do something good and turned this ....... Lenin into a stuffed wad of cotton wool and put it on display ..) so he considered that it’s even good that Ilyich is not buried, he supposedly deserved to be a doll for all his sins not devoted to the earth ..... something like that ... Well, to be honest, I don’t care !!!! I agree with DEZINTO there are problems much more important ...
        1. Berber
          Berber 2 November 2017 12: 17 New
          +8
          Moscow, Kremlin, Red Square. All this is filled with deep symbolism for each of us. And in the middle of this is a necropolis of a man ambiguous for Russia.
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 2 November 2017 12: 44 New
            +4
            Sir, have you been to the Kremlin? There are Russian kings. Does this "necropolis" bother you? And the Peter and Paul Fortress oppresses you with its "necropolis"?
            You have a very deep symbolism. The Russians are easier - we honor the dead. I will remind the kings in the Kremlin and lie in the Peter and Paul Fortress. And the Russian people to this day comes to bow to them.
            1. AUL
              AUL 2 November 2017 13: 34 New
              +7
              The kings lie in the graves, not in the windows, like the zucchini in Pyaterochka. Russians are buried in the ground!
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 2 November 2017 15: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: AUL
                Russians are buried in the ground!


                The sarcophagus in which he lies is three meters below ground level, which corresponds to burials according to Russian custom, and the Orthodox canon. ”
                And the form of burial was determined by the country's highest authority - the II All-Union Congress of Soviets - in the ground, at a depth of three meters in the crypt above which the Mausoleum was erected.
                The most famous example is the burial in the open for viewing sarcophagus of the great Russian surgeon Nikolai Pirogov near Vinnitsa. The sarcophagus with the coffin of the great scientist is placed in a crypt, which is one of the forms of burial in the ground and has been on display for almost 130 years. As it is written in the definition of the Holy Synod in St. Petersburg, “so that the disciples and followers of the noble and godly deeds of the servant of God, N.I. Pirogov could contemplate his bright appearance.
                You and a Russian .. doubtfully .. a Russian person, will not arrange dances with tambourines at the grave, you are demonstrating this, so what kind of Russian are you !?
                1. AUL
                  AUL 2 November 2017 15: 38 New
                  +4
                  Do not know the canons and Russian customs - do not blurt out heresy with a smart look. According to canons and customs, they are buried in a grave in a cemetery, in a coffin, with a closed and boarded up lid, and the grave is covered with earth! A three-meter open hole in the central square is far from a cemetery. And there is no need for songs about the crypt - in the crypt, the dead rest in closed coffins.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 2 November 2017 16: 52 New
                    +4
                    Quote: AUL
                    And there is no need for songs about the crypt - in the crypt, the dead rest in closed coffins.

                    This is a crypt, only the glass cover. And go there all and sundry. At the same time, parades, concerts, festivities are held at this crypt ... it’s fun after all at the corpse of the songs of the Leningrad group to sing or Tender May.
                  2. badens1111
                    badens1111 2 November 2017 19: 59 New
                    +2
                    Quote: AUL
                    And there is no need for songs about the crypt - in the crypt, the dead rest in closed coffins.

                    Keep quiet, in the crypts of the same Lavra, coffins with glass lids, then the people walk, stare. So shut up.
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 2 November 2017 16: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir16
              Sir, have you been to the Kremlin? There are Russian kings.

              Straight, too, mummified and under glass caps?
              Quote: Vladimir16
              And the Russian people to this day comes to bow to them.

              And who is stopping you from going to bow to Lenin’s grave when they bury him? Or are the sensations wrong?
        2. bonussp
          bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 25 New
          +6
          My father from Siberia, said that in 1919 the neighboring village was completely cut out by Kolchak for suspicions of sympathy for the Bolsheviks. Even the children did not regret it. And About this in those parts, everything is still understood. Therefore, for me, the enemies of Lenin are enemies of the Fatherland. The body of Vladimir Ilyich is not a scarecrow, but relics, like those of the Orthodox, or Sufis. Embalmed bodies in mausoleums on display are a universally accepted way around the world to perpetuate the memory and veneration of great people. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of such places on the planet!
        3. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 2 November 2017 15: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: aws4
          you know, I have a friend of his whole (Cossack) family cut out in civilian red, there was one girl who was his grandmother.

          I had acquaintances from my grandmother's line, in whom the whites shot all relatives. Let's talk about it? Well, about who was bloodthirsty? Or in connection with the new "trends" in ideology ordered to blow only one "official dudu"?
      5. ver_
        ver_ 2 November 2017 15: 59 New
        +1
        ... for his life, Ulyanov = Blank after the university was * a defender * in one process that he lost .., before the revolution he hung out like * it * in the hole * abroad and lived at the expense of his mother .. where he got syphilis .. Proletarian from Lenin as a nun from a slut ..
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 2 November 2017 18: 09 New
          +5
          Quote: ver_
          The proletarian from Lenin as a nun from a slut ..

          Is this why you wrote a complete collection of V.I. Lenin's works from the 55 volumes for him?) Or is there no hint in his writings on "unite the proletarians of all countries"?
          When were you born, didn’t you go to 90 for an hour, or do you live near the Yeltsin Center?) And about Syphilis, it’s strong! I applaud while standing! To what other indecency slide? They are unrequited dead, they will endure everything. See that the same thing is not with you when you go to another world, the "truth-loving" of horseradish!
          1. ver_
            ver_ 3 November 2017 05: 20 New
            0
            ... in a madhouse and socks 3 meters long knit ..
          2. ver_
            ver_ 3 November 2017 15: 47 New
            0
            ... you are gray, and I, buddy, gray-haired and wolf, I have long known the breed ...
      6. BMP-2
        BMP-2 2 November 2017 17: 02 New
        +1
        Allah is perfect. Kadyrov is a man; he, too, tends to make mistakes. yes
      7. albert
        albert 2 November 2017 19: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Logall
        What the hell is Kadyrov climbing to the leader? He is not the leader of world Wahhabism!

        The Kadyrovs were just such leaders. It’s better to bury Kadyrku himself, there will be less problems for the country.
      8. Alexei
        Alexei 3 November 2017 01: 05 New
        +1
        Of course, Lenin needs to be reburied, only after the accession of communism to the Earth, not earlier.
      9. Primoos
        Primoos 3 November 2017 16: 56 New
        +2
        Why did citizen Ulyanov deserve a worthy burial? Would you yourself like to be in its unenviable place? In the form of a public exhibit? One must respect death. She will come to everyone. Yes, and Ulyanov would certainly not have been delighted with such an idea of ​​his adherents. He fought frenziedly with religion, the more ridiculous that a deity was made from his body.
    2. Finches
      Finches 2 November 2017 11: 51 New
      +9
      It’s not the business of the Christianity to get stuck in the Orthodox business ... There will be a day - there will be food! At least because those who saw those who saw Lenin were still alive ...
      1. Velizariy
        Velizariy 2 November 2017 11: 57 New
        12
        Quote: Finches
        It’s not the business of the Christianity to interfere in the Orthodox business ...

        He does not meddle in the affairs of the Orthodox. This stuffed man, not at all Orthodox, he destroyed Orthodoxy and the Russian people! This scarecrow, called the body that was placed for worship, the scarecrow - the Satanist. Hitler killed fewer Russians than Ulyanov on the Old Man - Blank.
        1. Finches
          Finches 2 November 2017 12: 00 New
          +8
          In-of! You are on the one side of the barricade, but there are people on the other side of the barricade ... For you, this is a scarecrow, but for someone it’s a great thinker of the twentieth century! But in any case it’s the History of Russia! He nicely laid Nicholas II in the Peter and Paul Cathedral — let it be laid, let and Lenin, while, lie down! There is little schism in our society ...
          1. Velizariy
            Velizariy 2 November 2017 12: 06 New
            +8
            Nicholas II did not kill millions of Russian people and did not crush Russia. And this “thinker” caused the death of millions of Russian people, concentration camps, and terror.
            1. Finches
              Finches 2 November 2017 12: 20 New
              12
              Lenin was involved in your list only in the Red Terror, and even then in response to the White Terror ... And following your example, Nicholas II can be attributed to Khodynka, and the death of his brother, and the grave defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, the unpreparedness for World War I January 9th ... And in general, it was his sluggish domestic policy that led to the collapse of the Russian Empire and is the forerunner of the fact that Lenin lies in the Mausoleum!
              1. Velizariy
                Velizariy 2 November 2017 12: 49 New
                +6
                Archives, look at the archives. Even in the open archives there is so much about terror, by the way, he wasn’t in response to white, and about concentration camps, and also children's concentration camps, did Hitler seem to not get to this, or was it? I don’t remember. But there were Soviet ones. I had to read "Cases" and other documents ... What the "builder of a brighter future" did - just monsters, such cruelty ... But not so long ago, excavations were carried out at the training ground of one NKVDshnaya prison, which contained clergy and sympathizers ... even babies found. Babies in a concentration camp!
                1. Finches
                  Finches 2 November 2017 12: 57 New
                  +6
                  I have slightly different, different from yours, knowledge on the History of the Russian state, including on the activities of Lenin ... Let’s simplify everything to the form - Lenin was good, bad, but the question is that now the removal of the body from the Mausoleum is premature and harmful to our society today! It will not lead to the consolidation of the people, the restoration of justice or something else, but it will lead to the opposite consequences - a split, reeling, confrontation! Do you want this?
                  1. Velizariy
                    Velizariy 2 November 2017 14: 36 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Finches
                    removal of the body from the Mausoleum is premature and harmful to our society today!

                    Believe me, he will not lead to anything. Absolutely nothing will change. Our people in the 90s for 10 years were robbed twice and nothing ... And you are about the corpse. On the Internet there will be high, the Internet war will even begin, but ... nothing more.
                2. sir_obs
                  sir_obs 2 November 2017 13: 10 New
                  +7
                  Enough of the liberal snowstorm, did you yourself see at least one original document or all from the words of various "human rights activists"?
                  If you drenched those like today's liberals, then they did it right.
                  And tantrums with the mention of innocent babies, this has already become a commonplace pattern of different whistleblowers, in the past, in the present.
                  1. Velizariy
                    Velizariy 2 November 2017 17: 18 New
                    +1
                    saw, read.
                    Quote: sir_obs
                    If you drenched those like today's liberals, then they did it right.

                    Among ordinary peasants, liberals most likely were not. And among the children and the baby was definitely not.
                    Quote: sir_obs
                    And tantrums with the mention of innocent babies

                    Archives available, read.
            2. Engineer
              Engineer 2 November 2017 12: 31 New
              12
              Quote: Velizariy
              Nicholas II did not kill millions of Russian people

              Seriously? You at least look at Wikipedia and read the loss of Russian people in the First World! And for what? He saved his beloved France by throwing Russian soldiers into battle so that the eastern front existed in principle. And for this they gave him loans, so that he would buy weapons from them. No, he didn’t crush Russia-he pledged it all in debt!
              1. Velizariy
                Velizariy 2 November 2017 12: 42 New
                +3
                Quote: Engineer
                Seriously?

                Seriously. Based your But the logic of Stalin in general is the embodiment of the devil, because in the Second World War and in Finland, an excessively large number of people died than during all the wars that the Romanov family waged for 300 years.
                1. sir_obs
                  sir_obs 2 November 2017 13: 13 New
                  +8
                  The question is not the number of dead, but for what they died. In the Patriotic War they defended themselves, and in the First World War, mainly the interests of Britain and France.
                  1. Velizariy
                    Velizariy 2 November 2017 14: 37 New
                    +2
                    Did you come up with this yourself?
            3. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 2 November 2017 16: 06 New
              +4
              Quote: Velizariy
              Nicholas II did not kill millions of Russian people and did not crush Russia. And this “thinker” caused the death of millions of Russian people, concentration camps, and terror.

              The shooting demonstrations of 1905 of the year is so, fool around? Or for the current church canonized Nicholas, the dead were not youths of God, but rabble and rabble not worthy of existence? For this reason, the victims of this "saint" are not mentioned anywhere in the current "history" of the new Russia?)
              1. Velizariy
                Velizariy 2 November 2017 17: 22 New
                +3
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                The shooting demonstrations of 1905 of the year is so, fool around?

                Leninists were naughty just like that, shooting from the crowd at the soldiers.
                And gas poisoning peasant uprisings is so prank and excusable to Lenin? Hunger, NEP, concentration camps for the objectionable? Or is it possible?
            4. albert
              albert 2 November 2017 19: 31 New
              +4
              Quote: Velizariy
              Nicholas II did not kill millions of Russian people and did not crush Russia.

              Romanovsky is a degenerate of Kolka, for many in Russia it is worse than Hitler. And he killed millions of Russians and starved them, calling it a "wretch."
              1. Velizariy
                Velizariy 3 November 2017 08: 33 New
                0
                Again, the archives, read, there is no such close. Do not be lazy, and then as a degenerate you believe any nonsense.
          2. bober1982
            bober1982 2 November 2017 12: 08 New
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            Nicholas II in the Peter and Paul Cathedral beautifully laid - laid

            The Russian Orthodox Church does not recognize what you called .....nicely laid out. , B. Nemtsov and B. Yeltsin put him there.
            Corrected you - for the sake of historical justice.
            1. Finches
              Finches 2 November 2017 12: 17 New
              +2
              So be it - radish horseradish is not sweeter!
        2. badens1111
          badens1111 2 November 2017 15: 16 New
          +5
          Quote: Velizariy
          Hitler killed less Russians

          What nonsense .. well, straight Solzhenitsyn has risen ...
        3. ver_
          ver_ 2 November 2017 16: 02 New
          +1
          ..by mother - Blank .., Ulyanov - a screen ..
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 3 November 2017 00: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: ver_
            maternal - Blank

            Lie.
      2. Berber
        Berber 2 November 2017 11: 58 New
        11
        No need to spray with saliva, you are our Orthodox. I agree with Kadyrov, is this corpse a symbol of what? Can you answer this question? The answer will be mixed. “Dust to dust” is the bible. The dead must be in the ground.
        1. Velizariy
          Velizariy 2 November 2017 12: 03 New
          0
          Quote: BerBer
          No need to spit, Orthodox you are ours

          Where did I see the saliva?
          1. Berber
            Berber 2 November 2017 12: 12 New
            +2
            It’s not the business of the Christianity to interrupt the Orthodox business ..[i] [/ i]
            About here.
            1. Finches
              Finches 2 November 2017 12: 16 New
              +4
              Well, so be careful with the expressions! I agree, it’s very good - but someone is against it! I’m talking about the fact that the time has not come yet and it’s not Kadyrov’s business. hi
            2. Velizariy
              Velizariy 2 November 2017 12: 19 New
              0
              Quote: BerBer
              It’s not the business of the Christianity to interfere in the Orthodox cause .. [i] [/ i]
              About here.

              If you are careful, and not with splashing saliva, pounding on the clave, then you will see that this is a quote from the post of a person under the name "Zyablintsev", and not my phrase.
              1. Finches
                Finches 2 November 2017 12: 38 New
                +3
                There is no such nickname "Zyablintsev" in IN! laughing
                1. Velizariy
                  Velizariy 2 November 2017 12: 39 New
                  +1
                  I agree, cant, please forgive)
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 2 November 2017 12: 42 New
                    +3
                    It's okay! Since childhood, many people insert the letter H, for some reason! I'm used to even somewhere! hi
              2. ver_
                ver_ 2 November 2017 16: 05 New
                0
                .. yes baptized in Russia less than atheists ..
      3. sir_obs
        sir_obs 2 November 2017 11: 59 New
        +6
        but according to what Christian canons are mummies made of people made and put on display?
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 2 November 2017 12: 22 New
          +7
          Quote: sir_obs
          but according to what Christian canons are mummies made of people made and put on display?

          This is not a matter of religion, but of a great sense of humor, which is inherent in the Russian people.
          Lenin was a great comedian and, wanting to poke fun at the peasants, he promised to give them land. Type "Earth - to the peasants." But, as history shows, the peasants of the earth never saw. But they, too, were not averse to having fun. As a result, Ilyich still did not see the land.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 2 November 2017 15: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Polite Moose
            Lenin was a great comedian and, wanting to poke fun at the peasants, he promised to give them land. Type "Earth - to the peasants."

            Are you confused? Why did you change your surname if YELTSIN should be there? At the same time, somewhere, sleepers with rails in many places have disappeared .. they’re looking for that bad head who swore to lie on the rail.
        2. ver_
          ver_ 2 November 2017 17: 41 New
          0
          .. Lenin is not a Christian, but a Jew ..
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 2 November 2017 23: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: ver_
            and a Jew ..

            And you are therefore a Martian? No? How not, I now think that you, a Martian, just make nonsense.
      4. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 2 November 2017 12: 10 New
        +7
        Maybe I didn’t finish the irony on the account of “unchristianity,” but from a purely human point of view and Christian, I personally feel uneasy when mass entertainments and entertainments are regularly held on Red Square, despite the cemetery located there.
        I support the liquidation of the cemetery on Red Square, and the reburial of all those buried there.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 2 November 2017 16: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: x.andvlad
          I support the liquidation of the cemetery on Red Square, and the reburial of all those buried there.

          Definitely!
          The earth is now golden in Moscow, the entertainment is expensive, and there is nowhere to put it - all were built up with "anthills", but the dead are the most!
          What about Latvia have seen enough? There, "civilized" memorials are transferred to the backyards due to the unnecessary memory of the "new" ideology.
          Just don’t yell when the power changes again (it’s not eternal) and the new (not necessarily red) revolutionaries will destroy and remove your “saints”, oblivious to them!
          For that, some entertainment events will remain! What else does the herd need? Meal'n'Real!
          1. albert
            albert 2 November 2017 19: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            something about Latvia seen enough? There, "civilized" memorials are transferred to the backyards due to the unnecessary memory of the "new" ideology.

            No, they are looking at Ukraine. There, Bandera is in power, and we have Vlasov in power.
      5. bonussp
        bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 30 New
        +3
        I agree! Let him preserve the Sufi mausoleums in the Caucasus. Wahhabis hate these mausoleums, and Sufis are called "grave worshipers."
    3. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 2 November 2017 11: 52 New
      +8
      The fact is that we are just paying for the maintenance of this body. There are so many monuments to the Leader in the country. I think we can do without this monument and the Communists will not write me a reprimand in the party book.
      1. bonussp
        bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 37 New
        +2
        Firstly, the state pays a negligible amount for the maintenance of the mausoleum and monuments to Lenin, compared to the amount that is annually withdrawn from Russia by the oligarchs, as well as by the state itself in foreign real estate, banks and securities. The ruling class and the Russian crime fused with it continue to rob ordinary people. Secondly, monuments are needed, because this is part of the spiritual and moral culture of the whole people. Thirdly, what you can think about Lenin and his mausoleum is good. But the main thing is not this, but the opinion of the whole people, and judging by the annual social polls, it is not on your side.
        Yours!
    4. dorz
      dorz 2 November 2017 11: 54 New
      +6
      Bury history in the ground, then rename the streets, then the country. Forward to the beginning of the 90s
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 2 November 2017 12: 13 New
        +2
        Damn ... tourists from China will lose .. wassat .in the queue, it seems, only they- want to see- tourist Mecca of the Chinese !!!! ... wassat

        In short, tourism will suffer from the burial !!!! wassat
        1. iouris
          iouris 2 November 2017 13: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          tourism will suffer from burial !!!!

          Relations with China and tourism will suffer. And Kadyrov has the right to his personal opinion. That's only interesting and important is his opinion only in those matters where he is a recognized authority.
        2. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 2 November 2017 16: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          Damn ... tourists from China will lose .... In the queue, it seems they are the only ones they want to see- the tourist Mecca of the Chinese !!!! ...
          In short, tourism will suffer from the burial !!!!

          Well then, take down the Kremlin and build the Capitol. American tourists will come - they are richer, and the "economic and political expediency" will again be in accordance with the new trends of "equal partnership."
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      3. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 2 November 2017 13: 07 New
        0
        Quote: dorz
        Bury history in the ground, then rename the streets, then the country. Forward to the beginning of the 90s

        Well written here
        http://www.stihi.ru/2014/04/05/4136
    5. Sergei75
      Sergei75 2 November 2017 12: 03 New
      +3
      In-in! Kadyrov has nothing more to do, Chechnya is the most subsidized of the republics, there is practically no production, but they live there not badly here.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 2 November 2017 12: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: sir_obs
        but according to what Christian canons are mummies made of people made and put on display?

        The embalmed body of Pope John XXIII in the Cathedral of St. Peter. Vatican. And the mummy of Professor Pirogov lies in the tomb of the Church.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 2 November 2017 12: 25 New
          +4
          Not ......, ours is somehow stricter, in a work suit ... now he will wake up in the office - to work !!

          1. iouris
            iouris 2 November 2017 13: 37 New
            0
            He works. It is necessary to study and apply to modern conditions.
        2. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 2 November 2017 16: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Quote: sir_obs
          but according to what Christian canons are mummies made of people made and put on display?

          The embalmed body of Pope John XXIII in the Cathedral of St. Peter. Vatican.

          No no! You can’t touch dad! He was not a Bolshevik!
    6. Vend
      Vend 2 November 2017 12: 27 New
      0
      This issue cannot be resolved by order of government leaders. Only the people themselves through a referendum and no matter how much it will result. It’s time to close the question once and for all. Lenin’s body can be buried in the mausoleum.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 2 November 2017 12: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Lenin’s body can be buried in the mausoleum.


        The central cemetery of the country ... and from it we will count the zero kilometer of Russia! - it's symbolic! good
        1. Vend
          Vend 2 November 2017 13: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Nasr
          Quote: Wend
          Lenin’s body can be buried in the mausoleum.


          The central cemetery of the country ... and from it we will count the zero kilometer of Russia! - it's symbolic! good

          And that’s already as you please. For me it doesn't matter where he will be buried. Well, it’s not the body that’s lying in the mausoleum, but the gravestone.
        2. bonussp
          bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 43 New
          +1
          Do you like the Central Market, as before the revolution? Glorious thing!
          In Sergiev Posad, for example, TS Lavra, which is full of crypts and graves and cancer with relics, is the central place of the city. And no one is against it. What is wrong with the veneration of ancestors central to the Russian people? Is it possible for the Chinese, Vietnamese, Turks, Catholics and Orthodox, Sufis, Americans and others, but not Russians? Why?
      2. ver_
        ver_ 2 November 2017 16: 09 New
        +1
        ..to give the Jews-let them bury at the Wailing Wall ..
      3. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 2 November 2017 16: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        This issue cannot be resolved by order of government leaders. Only the people themselves through a referendum and no matter how much it will result. It's time to close the question once and for all

        Exactly! And I'm for the referendum.
        Let us ask the people whether he considers it legal to overthrow the 91-93 of the year with the subsequent “privatization” of the country, whether he wants to live under the “new laws”, and at the same time ignore the “authorities” the results of the 17 referendum of March 1991.
        I wonder how it happened that the opinion of all the people of a big country was just stupidly "piled" from a high tower?)))
    7. the most important
      the most important 2 November 2017 17: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: DEZINTO
      I’ll be asked today at work - “Kolya, what worries you? What are the problems in the workplace”. ?
      I will answer right away - Lenin! this Lenin lies there! I can’t sleep peacefully !!! I do not get enough sleep at all from the awareness of him lying there! ))))

      Well, it’s easier to start such a discussion than to answer the questions why in the country so sucks ??? There is no GDP growth ... Pensions are like a spit in the face of the state ... The national governments (elites) are actually bathed in gold ... Russia's regions are in debt to their ears, there is no money for anything ... but the management of state-owned companies has millions a day ... 2018 World Cup - feast during the plague in a country where there are no players! The shameful loss of the bent leg is predictable ... etc ....
    8. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 2 November 2017 18: 31 New
      +1
      In many countries, it has now become fashionable to demolish monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators. Lenin and the mausoleum are our history, and we must be proud and remember that, and the liberals, the new bourgeoisie joined by Kadyrov, are trying to erase Lenin’s ideas from people's memory. Lenin and Stalin in practice have shown that it is possible to live and build a state without oligarchy, without the power of money. Lenin began the construction of communism (paradise only on earth), which the church could not forgive, for the church paradise can only be in heaven. The current authorities are the ideas of Lenin, like a bone in the throat, so they are trying by any means to denigrate and remove from the history of the Great Men of Lenin and Stalin.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 November 2017 11: 49 New
    +4
    A whole research institute is working on the body of Lenin. Around the clock guard is on duty

    Is the amount of subsidies for Chechnya reduced? Kadyrov, of course, is well done in something, but recently he often touches on issues not of his competence.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 November 2017 11: 56 New
      +2
      It’s great for him to keep all kinds of ghouls in fear .. That's his main specialty and use .. But cemetery questions are not his
      Quote: rotmistr60
      A whole research institute is working on the body of Lenin. Around the clock guard is on duty

      Is the amount of subsidies for Chechnya reduced? Kadyrov, of course, is well done in something, but recently he often touches on issues not of his competence.
    2. Felix99
      Felix99 2 November 2017 12: 05 New
      +1
      Golden man! Everything about Russia cares!
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts 2 November 2017 11: 50 New
    +3
    Bulgarians buried Zhivkov ...
    So what?
    Have you started to live better ???
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 2 November 2017 11: 54 New
      +3
      Yes, it’s just that nothing will change from this, except that the main purpose of the Mausoleum on Red Square will disappear and there will also be disputes about it (in the case of Lenin’s burial) (demolish or leave). Apparently this is a lot of power that they don’t really want to stir up, and this is understandable, the topic is subtle.
      1. volodya
        volodya 2 November 2017 12: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: DenZ
        Yes, it’s just that nothing will change from this, except that the main purpose of the Mausoleum on Red Square will disappear and there will also be disputes about it (in the case of Lenin’s burial) (demolish or leave). Apparently this is a lot of power that they don’t really want to stir up, and this is understandable, the topic is subtle.

        We are now raising the question of the unification of the nation, but I really want to mess up everything! Who cares? Especially soon the elections!
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 2 November 2017 12: 14 New
      0
      Quote: ImPerts
      Bulgarians buried Zhivkov ...
      So what?
      Have you started to live better ???

      Exactly. It is necessary to make entrance to the mausoleum paid. 100 rubles each at least. Take a separate fee for photo-video shooting. Then, again and again, Ilyich recall with a kind word.
    3. bonussp
      bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 44 New
      0
      But the Chinese did not bury Mao and became MUCH BETTER TO LIVE. A lesson for us!
  4. Alexander War
    Alexander War 2 November 2017 11: 50 New
    +3
    Financing the October Revolution: Who paid Lenin
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      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 2 November 2017 12: 07 New
        +3
        This is at the expense of the traitors, the Yeltsin-Yeltsin center, then Gorbachev will die, he will begin to erect monuments, This is how we all must now erect a monument to all the traitor! Add a video Kalashnikov Communist himself, in general, look
    2. Sergei75
      Sergei75 2 November 2017 12: 27 New
      0
      But all the same, he put them on a steam locomotive!
      He weighed them so that they did not immediately understand ...
    3. ver_
      ver_ 2 November 2017 16: 11 New
      0
      ..mamo thing is not the workers and peasants ..
  5. dsm100
    dsm100 2 November 2017 11: 54 New
    +2
    Yes, bury him and FSE.
    1. just exp
      just exp 2 November 2017 13: 13 New
      +2
      What does this ziggurat with the mummy give that everything is so against his burial?
      1. bonussp
        bonussp 2 November 2017 16: 15 New
        +1
        Well, not everyone is against it. In general, Shchusev, the architect of the mausoleum, was inspired not so much by the Babylonian or Central American cult and administrative architecture as by the ancient, in particular the Trojan, in the spirit of the Persian altar of Zeus.
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 2 November 2017 11: 56 New
    +6
    Belief in Communism is stronger than any religion, which is why worshipers are worried. Let them deal with their republic, and even have opinions on international issues, and so I decided to take up Red Square.
  7. igorspb
    igorspb 2 November 2017 11: 57 New
    +5
    Quote: dsm100
    Yes, bury him and FSE.

    Kadyrov?)))
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 2 November 2017 15: 08 New
      +1
      igorspb
      Quote: dsm100
      Yes, bury him and FSE.

      Kadyrov?)))
      laughing laughing laughing I love humor!
      Ha! And bury Kadyrov in Red Square! And next to the Mausoleum! And fso! laughing
      Immediately Kadyrov from the idea of ​​the removal of the body of Lenin and the demolition of the Mausoleum - in MOST Moscow - personally refuse! yes
      I'm kidding.
  8. Million
    Million 2 November 2017 11: 58 New
    +1
    Academician must act in the show, and not engage in politics
  9. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 2 November 2017 12: 09 New
    +1
    It is not necessary to bury Lenin; let the liberal party constantly rage about this.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 2 November 2017 12: 27 New
      +2
      Eugene, the liberals are furious with Stalin and not with Lenin!
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 2 November 2017 12: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander War
        liberals are furious with Stalin and not with Lenin

        From Lenin, too, rage not weak. He is a communist.
      2. badens1111
        badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander War
        freaking out from Stalin and not from Lenin

        With a big letter, you must write-Lenin, the first.
        The second would not be Lenin, and Stalin would not have taken place, so end with the Yakovlev agitprop ... together with his associates such as Solzhenitsyn and other Svanidz.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 3 November 2017 03: 36 New
          0
          ... yeah - the names of people and the nicknames of animals - are capitalized ..
      3. Evgeny RS
        Evgeny RS 2 November 2017 13: 12 New
        +2
        Then dig out Stalin and return to the mausoleum, this is also a mummy. I think that she hardly decomposed in a coffin.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 2 November 2017 14: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Eugene RS
          in a coffin.

          Do not be like Khrushchev.
  10. padded jacket
    padded jacket 2 November 2017 12: 11 New
    +2
    All these new solvers have already been taken. Lenin must lie where he lies and cannot be touched, in any case, until the last person who remembers the USSR dies.
    1. Evgeny Strygin
      Evgeny Strygin 2 November 2017 12: 16 New
      0
      that the exam will not be canceled and history as the subject disappears?
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 2 November 2017 12: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Yevgeny Strygin
        that the exam will not be canceled and history as the subject disappears?

        It’s one thing to know about books from the USSR; it’s another thing to live with him; I’ve lived here and I can’t say anything but good about him.
        1. Evgeny Strygin
          Evgeny Strygin 2 November 2017 14: 13 New
          0
          Friend, well, everything was. Especially at the end.
          But there is a key idea and economic system for which it was necessary to hold onto one’s teeth (and what those communists and the people supporting them were holding on to, and not a bunch of opportunists and the population, which was stupid from the directed agitation against it, as a result)
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 2 November 2017 16: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Yevgeny Strygin
            Friend, well, everything was. Especially at the end.

            At the end of the USSR, there was only a name left that skillfully used outright traitors like Gorbachev Yakovlev and the rest of the members of this gang of outright enemies.
            Therefore, I personally consider the “demise” of the USSR to be the coming to power of the “labeled” and the beginning of the “extension”
            1. Evgeny Strygin
              Evgeny Strygin 2 November 2017 17: 30 New
              0
              as for me it’s khrushch and its activity to consolidate the nomenclature with the formation of a potential hostile class and "debunking the cult of personality" and so on, which was essentially a shot of the state in its foot. The wound was fatal.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 2 November 2017 18: 23 New
                0
                Quote: Yevgeny Strygin
                as for me it’s khrushch and its activity to consolidate the nomenclature with the formation of a potential hostile class and "debunking the cult of personality" and so on, which was essentially a shot of the state in its foot. The wound was fatal.

                I was too young in his time, but not my parents who were not familiar with them especially did not complain about him, of course, “excesses”, but who actually didn’t have them?
                1. Evgeny Strygin
                  Evgeny Strygin 2 November 2017 20: 18 New
                  +1
                  this is not an “excess”, but a simple liquidation of the essence of the state. For this essence, people consciously fought and died. And then it was just distorted, spat upon and forgotten.
                  It is called an empty ideology, although it was practically a proven economic system.
                  Now, what allowed the country to survive, to rise, is called the "inhuman experiment of the bloody Bolsheviks."
                  I'm sorry. Boiling up.
  11. Egorovich
    Egorovich 2 November 2017 12: 12 New
    +8
    The next 50 years should not even return to the burial of Lenin. Time will pass and it will be clear whether it is worth burying it or not. Some paradoxes around. He wants to erect a monument to Karimov Sobyanin in Moscow (who does not need this monument and why the Russians need it), and they propose to bury another.
  12. Evgeny Strygin
    Evgeny Strygin 2 November 2017 12: 15 New
    0
    got it already.
  13. Romanenko
    Romanenko 2 November 2017 12: 17 New
    +1
    Ramzan, honey, why do you need this?
    So much more needs to be done, leave Lenin alone, please!
  14. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 2 November 2017 12: 18 New
    +4
    it’s high time to cover this pantheon in the center of the capital ... to allocate a piece of land in the region, rebury Lenin and other comrades from under the wall with honors (for those who deserve) and let anyone who needs to go there worship the symbols of a bygone era, which will be difficult to return when all desire, and dangerous - the second revolution and the citizens of Russia are unlikely to survive
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 2 November 2017 15: 23 New
      0
      Non liberoid Russian
      the second revolution and the citizens of Russia are unlikely to survive
      So there is no need to stir the people famously, while it is quiet!
      Let Lenin’s body remain where it is now! And the liberoid power is obliged to think not only about itself, but also about the people!
      JOKE
      The oligarchs gathered in power and are discussing their plans.
      The president of the country tells them:
      - All! It's time to think about the people!
      - Correctly! - agreed with him the oligarchs and snapped among themselves: - Hey! Who needs a lot of people for lackeys? Come sign up!
    2. bonussp
      bonussp 2 November 2017 15: 58 New
      +2
      Let's start with the relics of the Chudovo monastery in the Kremlin and the crayfish of St. Basil the Blessed in the cathedral on Red Square? Or double standards apply - remove these, and leave those? Do you single-handedly dream of solving this for the whole nation? Napoleon would envy you.
      1. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 2 November 2017 17: 31 New
        0
        uh! raise difficult questions! Such, do not tolerate this.
  15. Clone
    Clone 2 November 2017 12: 19 New
    +7
    Yeah ...
    Lenin, then, to bury, more, in the opinion of the ardent "Orthodox", he is universal evil. But to transport the torn bodies of the "saints" over the scales and lobes for general viewing and kissing is, of course, extremely useful, hygienic and extremely necessary. "Thy wonderful deeds, Lord!" (with)
    ____________________
    No need to be likened to “relatives” from Nezalezhnaya jumping on coffins! Well, let’s keep on his conscience what the “academician and general” said ... he shouldn’t pay attention to the next “out of place”. Moreover, Ksenia was the first on the "topic" noted.
  16. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 12: 27 New
    +6
    "... Of course, the president of Russia Vladimir Putin should decide the question of the burial of Lenin ..."
    Yeah ... didn’t the bathhouse fall off? The people in the referendum will decide! When the time comes!
    1. thinker
      thinker 2 November 2017 14: 42 New
      +2
      Someday, there will be a referendum, and the last poll was in April. Here is the result

      https://ria.ru/society/20170421/1492746503.html
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 2 November 2017 14: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: thinker
        https://ria.ru/society/20170421/1492746503.html

        This "survey" cannot be accepted as something of value, from the fact that clone forces can catch an arbitrarily acceptable result.
        Even considering the burial of V.I. Lenin from the standpoint of modern legislation, and it takes into account the existing Orthodox cultural traditions of the Russian people, the crypt and the Mausoleum above it must be fully consistent with the current laws of the Russian Federation. The embalmed body of Lenin rests in a coffin-sarcophagus at a depth of three meters under the ground, which fully complies with the provisions of the Federal Law “On burial and funeral business” from 12.01.1996. Article 3 of this law says: “Burial can be carried out by bringing the body (remains) ground (burial in the grave, crypt) ". And the body of Lenin, we recall once again, buried in a crypt (vaulted tomb, buried in the ground).
        It’s difficult for an ordinary citizen to substitute the notions of “burial” and “reburial” in a massive information flow: the direction is very high - all state media, including television, even “independent” news agencies and liberal opposition publications write only about “burial”, carefully concealing the substitution concepts.

        Political initiators of the reburial are not very profitable to face the public in the guise of grave diggers. Hence the lie about the need for burial, which is not.
        Is Lenin a historical person? Undoubtedly one of the greatest people (to read at least reviews about him by prominent contemporaries, ranging from Bernard Shaw to Mahatma Gandhi).
        I will cite only the words of Berdyaev:
        “... Lenin is made of one piece, it is monolithic. The role of Lenin is a remarkable demonstration of personality in historical events. Because of this, Lenin could become the leader of the revolution and realize his long-developed plan because he was not a typical Russian intellectual. In it, the features of the Russian intellectual were combined with the features of the Russian people who assembled and built the Russian state.
        ... And he stopped the chaotic collapse of Russia, stopped the despotic, tyrannical way. There is a similarity with Peter in this ...
        ... Lenin could draw up a plan for organizing a communist state and implement it. As paradoxical as it sounds, Bolshevism is the third phenomenon of Russian great power, Russian imperialism ... ”
        And today they are trying to destroy this symbol of Russian great power and Russian imperialism. And the duped part of the population yells "It is necessary to bury and demolish the mausoleum."
        Is Lenin's mausoleum a symbol of Russia? Of course! Moreover, the heroic and victorious pages of her story. Victory parade was taken from the mausoleum, Nazi banners were thrown under the mausoleum. And I understand who hurts from one kind of mausoleum - from the undeveloped descendants of the Nazis. They also demolish monuments to Lenin in Ukraine.
        159-33% Yes, the body must be interred
        282-58% No, Lenin was a key figure in the history of the country
        44-9% I don't care
        This survey is the answer to your "survey"
        http://maxpark.com/community/7451/content/5794333
        1. thinker
          thinker 2 November 2017 16: 03 New
          0
          This "survey" cannot be accepted as something of value, from the fact that clone forces can catch an arbitrarily acceptable result.

          They didn’t read the link, they came up with clones.
          Survey conducted via telephone interview. among 1200 respondents. For this sample, the maximum error size with a probability of 95% does not exceed 3,5%.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 2 November 2017 23: 55 New
            0
            Quote: thinker
            The survey was conducted using a telephone interview among 1200 respondents. For this sample, the maximum error size with a probability of 95% does not exceed 3,5%.

            This is bullshit and not a poll. Call Ruble and not such answers you will receive.
            1. thinker
              thinker 3 November 2017 08: 02 New
              +1
              And here is a fresh little bullshit
      2. bonussp
        bonussp 2 November 2017 16: 03 New
        +1
        This is bullshit, not a poll.
  17. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 12: 29 New
    +4
    Quote: Clone
    Yeah ...
    Lenin, then, to bury, more, in the opinion of the ardent "Orthodox", he is universal evil. But to transport the torn bodies of the "saints" over the scales and lobes for general viewing and kissing is, of course, extremely useful, hygienic and extremely necessary. "Thy wonderful deeds, Lord!" (with)
    ____________________
    No need to be likened to “relatives” from Nezalezhnaya jumping on coffins! Well, let’s keep on his conscience what the “academician and general” said ... he shouldn’t pay attention to the next “out of place”. Moreover, Ksenia was the first on the "topic" noted.

    Quote: Logall
    Quote: ID90
    Quote: Logall
    What the hell is Kadyrov climbing to the leader? He is not the leader of world Wahhabism! He is the leader of the world proletariat! How did he know about the proletarians?

    he is Putin's personal footman.

    Do you know exactly who the proletariat are?
    Open dictionary yes

    Proletarian,
    according to the dictionary of Vl. Dalya, this is: "a lord, a homeless person or a landless, homeless burial ground."
    The dictatorship is: "Unlimited, not constrained by any laws, power based on force."
    That is, the dictatorship of the proletariat is unlimited in no way, not constrained by any laws, power of landless, homeless ridges.
    1. VVK_VDB
      VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 12: 49 New
      +5
      Hehe, these guys were the first people to launch into space. If only the anti-communist Berdyaev was revered that he was thinking about the revolution in general and about Lenin in particular. But modern “figures” are not even able to renew the tractor fleet - they say, if released, the best in the world are satisfied with an economic porn.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 2 November 2017 13: 10 New
        0
        Quote: VVK_VDB
        If only anti-communist Berdyaev revered

        Berdyaev was never an anti-communist, he was a classic God seeker and he was not interested in the problems of the class struggle.
        1. VVK_VDB
          VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 13: 23 New
          +2
          He did not accept the revolution and emigrated, but he understood the problems of Russian society well, and therefore he considered the socialist experiment in Russia quite positively as a solution to the accumulated problems.
          http://modernlib.ru/books/berdyaev_nikolay_aleksa
          ndrovich / istoki_i_smisl_russkogo_kommunizma / read
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 2 November 2017 13: 30 New
            +2
            Berdyaev was lucky, he died quietly in France, he looked at this whole experiment from abroad, so he reacted positively. If he was sitting in the basement of the Cheka, he would probably change his mind.
            1. VVK_VDB
              VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 14: 03 New
              +2
              I’m not sure that the fear of “basements” forced him to emigrate, much less make him change his mind. Berdyaev was a deeply religious man, and you won’t scare such “cellars”. I think that at that time (the 20s) he would not be allowed to realize himself as a scientist.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 2 November 2017 14: 18 New
                0
                It can’t be called deep believers, in my opinion, of course, he was a religious philosopher, he was too keen on God-seeking, his philosophy was very confused.
      2. bonussp
        bonussp 2 November 2017 16: 05 New
        +1
        Right. Berdyaev, despite his hatred of communism, could not help but recognize the original Russian, deeply popular roots of this very communism. Let them read "Nikolai Berdyaev, The Origins and the Meaning of Russian Communism"
  18. Alex66
    Alex66 2 November 2017 12: 36 New
    +3
    The new bourgeoisie are in a hurry, oh, how hurry to drive a nail into the lid of the tomb of communism, just like a chubais at one time, privatized the factories, although to the detriment of the country, if only to destroy the socialist system. It is a pity they still do not understand that our goods are not needed in the world capitalist system. You think why in Ukraine they’re felling Lenin, because they are deprived of their pensions, free medicine, education, housing. We have this for the same reason. Lenin is a symbol, a reminder that people should not live according to wolf laws.
  19. stolz
    stolz 2 November 2017 12: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: BerBer
    How do you like cling labels. He lives in our country with you and heads the republic. Should he have his own opinion? At least on these grounds.

    He can not only have his own opinion, but shove it in some places, because nobody is completely interested in it, just like he and his parasitic "republic", because it is capable of delivering only bandits of all stripes to Russia.
  20. koshmarik
    koshmarik 2 November 2017 12: 42 New
    +1
    Kadyrov is young and hot, but we all know well that everything has its time. A test of Russian society for strength at this time is simply useless. By the way, a generation has grown up that does not know who Lenin is.
    1. VVK_VDB
      VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 12: 55 New
      +4
      Is it good or bad? Vaughn Ukraine, the younger generation is not only talking about Lenin, but also hurrying to transfer their ancestors to the land, scoops, they say.
  21. Galleon
    Galleon 2 November 2017 12: 45 New
    +3
    Here they threw news on a fan and sat down to sniff: 72 comments per hour, how much more will be added in the evening ... Nothing to do?
  22. valerei
    valerei 2 November 2017 12: 46 New
    +3
    He was never a member of either the CPSU or the Komsomol. However, I am a Russian man and it is up to us Russians to decide what to do with the monuments of Russian history. Who is Kadyrov and who is Lenin? Absolutely incomparable figures and personalities! When Lenin made the history of Russia, even parents! Kadyrov, even in the drawings! there was not, and this young man dares to give advice on what we, Russians, should do with our history! By the way, there are traitors of Russian history among Russians, unfortunately, however, it’s enough to destroy the monuments, and the mausoleum on Red Square is, first of all, a historical monument. If you remove something or someone from Red Square, then you need to remove all or nobody, including and from the wall of the Kremlin. Well, you can simply give Shamil’s head to Kadyrov to make him happy.
    1. albert
      albert 2 November 2017 19: 42 New
      0
      Quote: valerei
      Well, you can simply give Shamil’s head to Kadyrov to make him happy.

      As a reminder. what happens to those who go against the "Center". laughing
  23. jesus045
    jesus045 2 November 2017 12: 52 New
    0
    Comrade Kadyrov, distribute this offer among the residents of your housing office. How do you like it.
  24. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 12: 55 New
    +2
    According to him, this is wrong when "in the heart of Russia, on Red Square, there is a coffin with a dead man."

    I also think the same.
    It is not right to worship the person (even theorist) involved in the destruction of the Russian Empire and the subsequent civil war request
    Even now we are “dissolving” the consequences of creating all kinds of “non-independent” ones, and the Brest Peace was essentially a betrayal of the Russian people in the first place no
    Wikipedia:
    A territory of 780 thousand square meters was torn away from Russia. km with a population of 56 million people (a third of the population of the Russian Empire) and on which (before the revolution) were located: 27% of the cultivated agricultural land, 26% of the entire railway network, 33% of the textile industry, 73% of iron and steel were smelted, 89% of coal was mined and 90% of sugar was produced; 918 textile factories, 574 breweries, 133 tobacco factories, 1685 distilleries, 244 chemical plants, 615 pulp mills, 1073 machine-building plants were located and 40% of industrial workers were located
    1. VVK_VDB
      VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 13: 12 New
      +4
      Nefig war was to lose, then there would be no revolution. The overthrow of the tsar was welcomed even by the Russian Orthodox Church, and this is a state institution of the Russian Empire ..
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: rpuropuu
      Wikipedia:

      Not comme il faut.
      Sources like Wikipedia, show your laziness of your mind and the inability of your intellect to understand the simplest, the basis of the legitimacy of the Russian Federation, lies the signature of V. Lenin, Remember?
      At the heart of our statehood, besides History, there is legitimacy according to international laws, trying to momentarily fight with someone or something, you will be in the same place where the country is 404.
    3. bonussp
      bonussp 2 November 2017 16: 19 New
      +1
      And the role of Nicholas 2 and his inner circle - the Grand Duke, the generals, the charlatans, in the destruction of the Republic of Ingushetia does not bother you at all?
  25. 1536
    1536 2 November 2017 12: 58 New
    +3
    Or it is necessary to stop the concert and entertainment activities on Red Square, or to bury V.I. Lenin in the Volkov cemetery near his mother’s grave, as he bequeathed, and to bury all the leaders and historical figures of the Soviet state and the Communist Party, as well as the leaders of the international communist movement, at the Memorial Cemetery. And without too much hype, not listening to the BBC, the Freedom, Voice of America and other subversive information centers of the international anti-Russian movement, which, naturally, would be against such an action.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      as he bequeathed

      Scientist and publicist A.S. Abramov, Chairman of the Board of the Charitable Public Organization (Fund) for the Preservation of the Mausoleum of V.I.Lenin many times gave the media a response from the RCCHIDNI (this is the former Central Party Archive) to the request of the Yeltsin administration regarding Lenin’s will. The official response to the President of the Russian Federation said that "there is not a single document of Lenin, his relatives or relatives regarding Lenin’s last will to be buried in a certain Russian cemetery."


      Rights A.S. Abramov, who claims that even from the everyday point of view, the arguments about the Volkov cemetery are completely false. After all, Lenin is already resting next to the widow, Nadezhda Krupskaya, and sister Maria Ulyanova, whose ashes are in the necropolis near the Kremlin wall.
    2. bonussp
      bonussp 2 November 2017 16: 20 New
      +1
      Subtle irony!)
  26. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 2 November 2017 12: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Logall
    What the hell is Kadyrov climbing to the leader? He is not the leader of world Wahhabism! He is the leader of the world proletariat! How does Kadyrov know about the proletarians?

    About the proletariat and its leader, Kadirov may not know (although he has an age such that he should know all the same). But the fact that thanks to the Great October and of course Lenin, Chechnya received national self-awareness, writing, literature, intelligentsia and the state (autonomous republic), he still needs to know.
  27. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 13: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Stolz
    Quote: BerBer
    How do you like cling labels. He lives in our country with you and heads the republic. Should he have his own opinion? At least on these grounds.

    He can not only have his own opinion, but shove it in some places, because nobody is completely interested in it, just like he and his parasitic "republic", because it is capable of delivering only bandits of all stripes to Russia.

    And why did she become parasitic? Maybe because EBN thumped and he did not care about the problems of the state? belay
    PS The "parasitic" republic for your information half a century was on a par with Baku, the oil supplier for the entire state fool
    I also advise you to familiarize yourself with the list of subsidized regions and cities, for example, I live in just such a city, namely, Nizhny Novgorod Region, Nizhny Novgorod.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: rpuropuu
      Maybe because EBN thumped and he did not care about the problems of the state?

      And why didn’t you please the always drunk Borya? After all, here you are essentially writing exactly the same thing that Yeltsin was talking about.
      Do you at least listen to the rechu what this dumbass in the US Congress said can understand what mankurts you sing along with.
      http://rupolitshow.ru/vladimir-solovev-polnyj-kon
      takt-02-11-2017.html
      Watch and listen from 1:56:44
  28. den3080
    den3080 2 November 2017 13: 11 New
    0
    Yes, nehai lies where they put it. And Kadyrov didn’t put him there, so he shouldn’t speak out.
  29. hohol95
    hohol95 2 November 2017 13: 12 New
    +1
    And how much is a ticket to the Mausoleum and does it bring INCOME ???
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  31. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 2 November 2017 13: 18 New
    +1
    The main Chechen sang with the Zionists?
    Your affairs are wonderful, Lord!)
    Then remove the stars from the Kremlin first, so that the most stubborn “patriot” could understand who the “master” is in the country!
  32. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 13: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: VVK_VDB
    Nefig war was to lose, then there would be no revolution. The overthrow of the tsar was welcomed even by the Russian Orthodox Church, and this is a state institution of the Russian Empire ..

    Are you familiar with the history of World War I and the revolution? wink I grieve you, V.I. Lenin began his activities long before the war belay
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 14: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: rpuropuu
      I will upset you

      Really, I’m grieving you.
      From History, and not fantasies on the themes of history, it is known that FEBRUARY is a merit of the likes of you, liberals of that time.
      The political crisis in Russia in February 1917 was provoked by the liberals to overthrow tsarism. Its organizer was the financial and industrial oligarchy, whose goal was to seize power in Russia under the slogans of introducing a constitution and creating a “people's government”. The second task of this revolution was the withdrawal of the Russian Empire from the First World War without the gains it had achieved and without the solution of the Eastern question promised by the Entente.

      The liberal leaders, as in 1904-1905, again relied on the defeat of tsarism, now in the First World War. But unlike the first revolution, this time they had a government tribune of the State Duma. It has become a powerful factor for the preparation of a new "democratic" revolution.

      The key organizer of the coup in February 1917 was the Progressive Bloc of the IV State Duma. The members of this bloc were the professor of history, the leader of the cadets (People’s Freedom Party), the editor of Rech magazine P. N. Milyukov, the Octobrists A. I. Guchkov and M. V. Rodzianko, and the British ambassador to Russia, George William Buchanan.
    2. VVK_VDB
      VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 14: 30 New
      +3
      Again. The overthrow of the king was welcomed by almost everyone, including the princes from the Romanov dynasty. And Lenin’s activity has nothing to do with it, from the word at all. The accumulated problems and their insolubility in that paradigm blew up the state. Lenin had a fruitful debut idea based on some kind of science. Time has shown that this "idea" led to the heyday of the country.
    3. bonussp
      bonussp 2 November 2017 16: 24 New
      +3
      The activities of Lenin cannot be compared with the activities of Nicholas 2. The former had a small group, and the latter possessed full power and unlimited possibilities, which the autocrat did not seek to use for the good of the Fatherland. Learn the story!
  33. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 13: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: rpuropuu
    Wikipedia:

    Not comme il faut.
    Sources like Wikipedia, show your laziness of your mind and the inability of your intellect to understand the simplest, the basis of the legitimacy of the Russian Federation, lies the signature of V. Lenin, Remember?
    At the heart of our statehood, besides History, there is legitimacy according to international laws, trying to momentarily fight with someone or something, you will be in the same place where the country is 404.

    That is, would there be no V. Lenin, would there be no RF? belay Why does the Russian Federation pay royal debts? The name of the state may change, but the foundation is the same, and it was laid according to official history not when Lenin was born, but at least 10 Century what Lenin sat in Switzerland until the last and wanted to continue to be a theoretician of the revolution, but he was put in a carriage and sent through Germany and Finland to us recourse
    For this we then “paid” at our own expense, which I consider to be a betrayal of the people request
    Wikipedia shows real numbers that a normal person will not remember, so this link is a quote no more. If you have other data, please provide belay The authorities are responsible for the consequences of their rule, the result I cited from the article.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: rpuropuu
      Wikipedia shows real numbers,

      My statement will provoke laughter. It has long been known that this intetsiklopiya, a long time ago under the hood of US intelligence and invested there and as they need. A set for the ignorant, your wiki.
      Quote: rpuropuu
      Why does the Russian Federation pay royal debts?

      That's why it pays that people like you learn history on Wikipedia. At the same time, trillions are being sent to the USA.
      Quote: rpuropuu
      Lenin sat in Switzerland until the last and wanted to continue to be a theoretician of the revolution, but he was put in a carriage and sent through Germany and Finland to us

      Another "olgovich" .. oh, to me these myth-makers ... Go respected to school, you are simply catastrophically ignorant.
      Quote: rpuropuu
      For this we then “paid” at our own expense, which I consider to be a betrayal of the people

      "you" can consider anything and whatever, HISTORY thinks differently. And on the account of "we paid," we can and did pay, but you betrayed and sold everything, spit on the very people in 1991-1993, so now what are you afraid of ?
  34. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 2 November 2017 13: 32 New
    +5
    If not for Lenin, all clever people who so cleverly advocate removal would have grazed geese and had a vocabulary of two hundred words necessary for grazing geese.
  35. XXXIII
    XXXIII 2 November 2017 13: 34 New
    +1
    Not even getting old, but rather getting younger ...... lol
  36. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 13: 39 New
    0
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: rpuropuu
    Maybe because EBN thumped and he did not care about the problems of the state?

    And why didn’t you please the always drunk Borya? After all, here you are essentially writing exactly the same thing that Yeltsin was talking about.
    Do you at least listen to the rechu what this dumbass in the US Congress said can understand what mankurts you sing along with.
    http://rupolitshow.ru/vladimir-solovev-polnyj-kon
    takt-02-11-2017.html
    Watch and listen from 1:56:44

    The message is not about EBN at all and not about what he was saying to someone there. Do not skip threads and read user posts carefully.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: rpuropuu
      The message is not about EBN at all

      If you are not able to read, but it is indicated from what minute to listen, your problems.
      But the fact that Yeltsin and his camarilla is directly related to the betrayal of the country, like the whole company of frenzied liberals, and you, as an admirer of the same thing, matters.
      So the theme of my link just fits into the framework.
  37. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 13: 45 New
    0
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    If not for Lenin, all clever people who so cleverly advocate removal would have grazed geese and had a vocabulary of two hundred words necessary for grazing geese.

    Controversial issue recourse I would agree with you if they said the same thing about Stalin. He got the country in bast shoes, and handed over to the receivers a superpower with nuclear weapons and space yes
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 13: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: rpuropuu
      I would agree with you if they said the same thing about Stalin.

      Oh, how are you Yakovlev’s campaigns still in use?
      Well, since what about the thesis that if there hadn’t been Lenin, Stalin would have taken place? Strain your intellect, if of course there is something to strain and refute this - Brilliant insight, the ability to quickly grasp and unravel the inner meaning of impending events - this is the very property of Lenin, which helped him to outline the right strategy and a clear line of behavior on the turns of the revolutionary movement.

      "Truth" N 34,

      12 February 1924 g
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWzh7ZDmRbE
  38. Bronevick
    Bronevick 2 November 2017 13: 48 New
    +4
    Kadyrov must be buried, Lenin is convinced.
  39. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 14: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: rpuropuu
    Wikipedia shows real numbers,

    My statement will provoke laughter. It has long been known that this intetsiklopiya, a long time ago under the hood of US intelligence and invested there and as they need. A set for the ignorant, your wiki.
    Quote: rpuropuu
    Why does the Russian Federation pay royal debts?

    That's why it pays that people like you learn history on Wikipedia. At the same time, trillions are being sent to the USA.
    Quote: rpuropuu
    Lenin sat in Switzerland until the last and wanted to continue to be a theoretician of the revolution, but he was put in a carriage and sent through Germany and Finland to us

    Another "olgovich" .. oh, to me these myth-makers ... Go respected to school, you are simply catastrophically ignorant.
    Quote: rpuropuu
    For this we then “paid” at our own expense, which I consider to be a betrayal of the people

    "you" can consider anything and whatever, HISTORY thinks differently. And on the account of "we paid," we can and did pay, but you betrayed and sold everything, spit on the very people in 1991-1993, so now what are you afraid of ?

    Calmly calm, I was 1991 years old in 3 laughing I know the story well enough, if even these very links to the directory are removed, it doesn’t change anything, everything will remain exactly the same wink V.I. Lenin lived in Switzerland, rolled in a car at the expense of Germany, and then presented the Western regions, part of the Caucasus and Finland.
    This is my personal opinion, please do not offend if you do not agree with this, we do not live in '39, if there are other sources, then bring belay
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 14: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: rpuropuu
      It's my personal opinion

      If it is so stupid in demonstrating its ignorance of history, then you have a choice, or go to school again, without skipping classes, or study, study and study again, self-education, but you surrender to this, you are not capable of repeating it for 30 years. pearls in your likeness, you must be an inveterate apple-tree like Dryndin.
      1. VVK_VDB
        VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 15: 01 New
        +4
        Right now, "textbooks" are. Here we are waiting for the 5th imperishable about Lenin and his curator Parvus. What else will liberals surprise us with ?.
    2. bonussp
      bonussp 2 November 2017 16: 40 New
      +2
      Long before Lenin, Russian emperors generously gave away Russian territories to other states with far-reaching consequences. Alexander I gave the Finns part of the Russian territory "Old Finland". Nicholas I gave the Japanese Kuril Islands. So there was someone to learn from.
  40. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 14: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: rpuropuu
    I will upset you

    Really, I’m grieving you.
    From History, and not fantasies on the themes of history, it is known that FEBRUARY is a merit of the likes of you, liberals of that time.
    The political crisis in Russia in February 1917 was provoked by the liberals to overthrow tsarism. Its organizer was the financial and industrial oligarchy, whose goal was to seize power in Russia under the slogans of introducing a constitution and creating a “people's government”. The second task of this revolution was the withdrawal of the Russian Empire from the First World War without the gains it had achieved and without the solution of the Eastern question promised by the Entente.

    The liberal leaders, as in 1904-1905, again relied on the defeat of tsarism, now in the First World War. But unlike the first revolution, this time they had a government tribune of the State Duma. It has become a powerful factor for the preparation of a new "democratic" revolution.

    The key organizer of the coup in February 1917 was the Progressive Bloc of the IV State Duma. The members of this bloc were the professor of history, the leader of the cadets (People’s Freedom Party), the editor of Rech magazine P. N. Milyukov, the Octobrists A. I. Guchkov and M. V. Rodzianko, and the British ambassador to Russia, George William Buchanan.

    So when did Lenin begin his activity? recourse He began it before 1905, that is, long before the Japanese and World War I no What do I have to do with it belay what do liberals have to do with it. I tell you that the activity started back in the 19th century, before the war, and you start something about 20 what
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 14: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: rpuropuu
      The liberal leaders, as in 1904-1905, again relied on the defeat of tsarism, now in the First World War. But unlike the first revolution, this time they had a government tribune of the State Duma. It has become a powerful factor for the preparation of a new "democratic" revolution.
      The key organizer of the coup in February 1917 was the Progressive Bloc of the IV State Duma. The members of this bloc were the professor of history, the leader of the cadets (People’s Freedom Party), the editor of Rech magazine P. N. Milyukov, the Octobrists A. I. Guchkov and M. V. Rodzianko, and the British ambassador to Russia, George William Buchanan.

      Do you have vision problems, liberal liar?
  41. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 2 November 2017 14: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: rpuropuu
    The liberal leaders, as in 1904-1905, again relied on the defeat of tsarism, now in the First World War. But unlike the first revolution, this time they had a government tribune of the State Duma. It has become a powerful factor for the preparation of a new "democratic" revolution.
    The key organizer of the coup in February 1917 was the Progressive Bloc of the IV State Duma. The members of this bloc were the professor of history, the leader of the cadets (People’s Freedom Party), the editor of Rech magazine P. N. Milyukov, the Octobrists A. I. Guchkov and M. V. Rodzianko, and the British ambassador to Russia, George William Buchanan.

    Do you have vision problems, liberal liar?

    Zombie apocalypse some kind belay I told him about one thing, he’s like a sheep about another what
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 14: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: rpuropuu
      he is like a ram

      Is that yourself?
      Remarkably, without even realizing it, you have precisely formulated your way of thinking.
    2. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 3 November 2017 09: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: rpuropuu
      Zombie apocalypse of some kind I told him about one thing, he’s like a ram about another


      About the "one", is it about that, excuse me? Here, for example, women about cables also say that they have everything in mind "one")))
      Try to express yourself more accurately and essentially on your opponent’s statements. Otherwise, you might think something bad about you)
  42. Galleon
    Galleon 2 November 2017 14: 46 New
    +3
    What are you all about, people? Depends on your speeches, will it lie, where does it lie, or will it not?
    Do not shout. I'll tell you a joke in the subject. I am sure that not everyone here knows him, and there are no women yet.
    "Peter the 1st St. Petersburg and the Navy built, brought together peasant builders and says:
    - Thank you, men, have served, the right thing has worked for the Russian state. I want to thank you. I am going to Holland again, as I drove the day before, and will bring you foreign gifts. Choose: overseas wine or gond.ny - this is such a gut .. (and explained where and for what).
    Opinions were divided: some shout: come on, sovereign, gond.nov, but more, others ask for wine.
    - Wait, guys, be quiet! - Peter says, - since you cannot decide, that is, there is such a thing abroad - a vote ...
    - That's right, sovereign Peter Alekseich! - As you popped naked, we will pop - bring the wine !! "
    Well, got it? They popped it and pop it, and there will be someone to decide what to do with this issue.
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 3 November 2017 09: 26 New
      +1
      You wouldn’t have shown your stupidity to everyone ... about the burial of the leader of your ancestors with such jokes, it’s foolish to explain your position at least. It’s a pity that you were brought up like that.
      And that .. you are very thick.
  43. anjey
    anjey 2 November 2017 14: 53 New
    +4
    What, too, the income gap between rich and poor clans exceeded the norm and is now afraid, a la revolution 17 ???
    1. anjey
      anjey 2 November 2017 15: 38 New
      +2
      let the Italian women in the Palermo catacombs be forced to bury 8 thousand human remains exhibited for tourists, suspended in niches of the dungeon ...
      1. anjey
        anjey 2 November 2017 16: 02 New
        +3
        I wonder why Italian barbarism doesn’t touch anyone ????
  44. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 2 November 2017 15: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS
    Do you have bad memory? Or too lazy to give children books to read about their acts of Lenin?

    Or maybe it’s easier for you not to go to this "crypt", well, if that turns it around? Putin, and so for people like you, covers him every May 9 with plywood. Few? Need to be completely demolished? Just do not read to your children about Lenin, but at the same time, generally about the USSR and the Second World War. At the Yeltsin Center they teach a "new" story, go, you will like it there.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 2 November 2017 19: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Or maybe it’s easier for you not to go to this "crypt", well, if that turns it around?

      I am turned back by the fact that coming to Red Square, I clearly understand that there is not a buried corpse.
      At the same time, you are not even going to listen to the millions of citizens who, like me, are not clear and abusive about this fact.
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Need to be completely demolished?

      What are you talking about, dear? I'm talking about the burial of this mummy, and not the contents of the corpse in the main square of the country. I did not say a word about the Mausoleum. Do not distort with your mind what I am talking about.
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      At the Yeltsin Center they teach a "new" story, go, you will like it there.

      Another stubborn komunyak. For your information, I think that the Yeltsin center deserves one, a bulldozer. Or, so that the property does not disappear, to remake this building as an institute, a sports center ... yes you never know. At the same time, disperse the whole liberal company that has settled in it.
      1. osoboye_mneniye
        osoboye_mneniye 3 November 2017 09: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        I am turned back by the fact that coming to Red Square, I clearly understand that there is not a buried corpse.
        At the same time, you are not even going to listen to the millions of citizens who, like me, are not clear and abusive about this fact.


        Got it? Take courage. You are very gentle. It’s hard to live like that in Russia.
        About millions ... which ones? 2 million, for example, are also "millions." But this is only part of just one city of our vast country. Or 1,5%, if that’s more clear to you.
        In general, until you provide reliable data about your "millions", my opinion about you has changed for the worse.
  45. Nemesis
    Nemesis 2 November 2017 15: 58 New
    +1
    It's good to listen to smart, educated people, but not like Kadyrov, who build expensive mosques, instead of investing in secular education, industrial enterprises and healthcare facilities ... In Russia, what except Lenin's mummy there are no more important questions ?!
    1. VVK_VDB
      VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 20: 15 New
      +2
      It's good to listen to smart, educated people ...
      __________________________________________
      And they are also on opposite sides of the barricades. So yourself, understand it yourself.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 3 November 2017 00: 05 New
        +1
        Yes, people are all different, from communists to monarchists ... But I am convinced that Russia is full of other more acute and painful problems than the funeral of Lenin's mummy, which had to be solved the day before yesterday, and the ruling party is not going to solve them tomorrow. and this is sad ... As for people who do not see more serious problems in Russia than the Lenin mummy, I am deeply convinced that they have no place in the government of the Russian Federation and in general in administrative structures ... Yeltsin needs to be (buried), but not Lenin and until (bury) Yeltsin Russia cannot develop ...
  46. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 November 2017 16: 23 New
    0
    All topics come down to one thing: either you are for the mausoleum of Lenin, or you are for Putin.
    1. anjey
      anjey 2 November 2017 16: 54 New
      0
      the topic is not relevant and not topical ...
  47. senima56
    senima56 2 November 2017 16: 58 New
    +2
    Correctly! IN AND. Lenin must be buried next to his mother, as he bequeathed. In his place in the mausoleum put a wax figure, ordered in the "Madame Tussauds" (she gets excellent copies, almost indistinguishable from the original). In addition, the present state of Lenin’s body already resembles a wax figure. And everyone can continue to worship the "leader of the world proletariat."
    1. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 3 November 2017 09: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: senima56
      Correctly! IN AND. Lenin must be buried next to his mother, as he bequeathed. In his place in the mausoleum put a wax figure, ordered in the "Madame Tussauds" (she gets excellent copies, almost indistinguishable from the original). In addition, the present state of Lenin’s body already resembles a wax figure. And everyone can continue to worship the "leader of the world proletariat."


      You are a storyteller (and in Russian, yap). There was no testament.

      http://wiki.istmat.info/%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%84:%D0%B2
      %D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BA%D0%BB
      %D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5

      "In 1997, in response to a request from the President of Russia B.N. Yeltsin, the Russian Center for the Storage and Study of Documents of Recent History (the former Central Party Archive) compiled the following official archive statement:" There are no documents from Lenin or his relatives and relatives regarding the RCHIDNI Lenin’s “last will” to be buried in a certain Russian (Moscow or St. Petersburg) cemetery ... In a letter to Inessa’s daughter Armand Nadezhda Krupskaya wrote: “He must be buried with his comrades; together near Krasnaya Let them lie on the (Kremlin) wall ”(Requisites of the letter: RCCHIDNI, f. 12, op. 2, d. 254, l. 7 vol.). 2)"
  48. Brother Karamazov
    Brother Karamazov 2 November 2017 17: 29 New
    +2
    There is no need to barter the earth
    1. ver_
      ver_ 3 November 2017 03: 55 New
      +1
      ... fair - to cremate and dispel ..
    2. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 3 November 2017 15: 12 New
      0
      Quote: BrotherKaramazov
      There is no need to barter the earth

      So do not trash ... save the Earth from your presence)
  49. ver_
    ver_ 2 November 2017 17: 38 New
    0
    Quote: dsk
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Belief in Communism is stronger than any religion

    "From each according to his ability - to each according to his need"- this bullshit" will never be realized for All. As you like to express - complete obscurantism. Especially now, in the era of developed "consumerism", in the pursuit of "branded" prices (if you do not have a today's brand, you are a sucker and a loser, tomorrow a new brand ....). To also provide you such a freebie ????
    In China, the teachings of Confucius are 3000 years old, Christianity is 2000 years old, and Islam is 1400 years old.
    How do you sink - so do you dig.

    ..the whole antiquity of China was falsified in the 17th century .., Christ was born 1152, crucified in 1185 .., the historical person is Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky - the founder of Moscow .. Here is such a chronology ..
  50. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 2 November 2017 18: 07 New
    +5
    I agree. Lenin must be buried.
    Immobilize in the Kremlin wall without much pomp.
    1. VVK_VDB
      VVK_VDB 2 November 2017 20: 20 New
      +2
      And why in the Kremlin wall?
      A joke is recalled. They resurrected Stalin and asked - what needs to be done so that Russia develops?
      - 1. Liberals to the mines.
      - 2. The Kremlin wall is painted green.
      - And why in green?
      “I knew that on the first question we would have no disagreements.”