Armenia to buy strategic deterrence weapon in Russia

Armenian authorities intend to purchase in Russia within the framework of a new defense loan in the amount of $ 100 million. weapon strategic deterrence transmits RIA News Statement of the Minister of Defense of the Republic Vigen Sargsyan.

According to the draft agreement, which the Armenian government approved on October 12, Moscow will provide Yerevan with a “state export credit to finance the supply of Russian-made military products”. The loan is issued with a maturity of 15 years under 3% per annum. The Armenian side should use the allocated funds in 2018 – 2022.

Earlier, President of the Republic Serzh Sargsyan told the agency that the agreement has already been signed and its implementation will begin after the completion of all interstate approvals.

It will be a strategic deterrent,

said the head of the Armenian military department.

According to him, the Russian arms market is very comfortable for Armenia.

This includes the acquisition of weapons from our strategic ally at domestic prices, and uniform approaches in matters of maintenance and operation, and effective use during exercises, and the possibility of testing weapons at other ranges when interacting with the Russian Federation,

Sarkisyan listed.

He added that "preferential credit conditions make the Russian market even more attractive, since it allows supplying the armed forces of the country in accordance with long-term planning."

The minister also noted that the process of supplying Russian weapons in the framework of the previous loan of $ 200 million is proceeding as planned.

This is always a difficult process, because within the framework of the loan we acquire the most advanced weaponry produced on our order, and do not deliver them from warehouses. Transportation and logistics take time, but we are moving on a normal schedule, and I think that most of the work will be completed by the end of the year,

explained Sargsyan.

The previous loan of $ 200 million was granted to Armenia in June 2015.

Comments

[Logall]

A loan is issued with a maturity of 15 years at 3% per annum - this is a knowingly unprofitable loan! Including inflation of 7%, for fifteen years we lose 60%!
If there is no charge ...
Profitable, but for those who can not count! 60 lyam tanks for cats under ...

[cniza]

Hello Alexander! He is in dollars and the goal is not profit.

[Logall]

Victor, ! The goal is to maintain the domestic defense industry! But at whose expense?

Quote: cniza

he is in dollars

Did I write something else? On the slang ... Bucky is dollars ... They are also called Baku rubles!

[cniza]

We do not know what inflation the dollar will be like, part of the money will return in the form of taxes, we hope that 3% will be profit, if we do not forgive debts.

[Logall]

The price of oil is growing, and after it the ruble! As if the loss was not even more than I wrote ...
After all, we produce weapons for rubles!

[cniza]

Everything can be, but money is not the main thing, and the ruble is practically like a nipple, only in one direction, otherwise the whole country may crash.

[Logall]

It’s a nipple inside the country, and on the international market like a pendulum! Not centered

[cniza]

Yes it is, but the main thing is the speed of turnover of funds.

[abuyanovus]

Nothing like this. The issuance of loans for the purchase of weapons of "own" production is standard world practice. And it is very beneficial to the manufacturing side, as it allows you to introduce additional funds into the defense industry without any state funds. programs. In our case, taking into account the emerging diversification of production, this is not a bad way to additionally feed enterprises, as it were, not at the expense of their state. In this case, the output will be not so much monetized as expressed in supporting production. And another important point: the money for payments under this loan will go from VTB, and not from the ministries and, most importantly, without delay. Therefore, do not count interest, not in this case.

[Dorren]

Exactly! But you need to think about this and at least minimal knowledge of economics (political economy, if you want, since all this is still my grandfather in the art school (sic!) Studied and then explained to me) to have - it is much easier to whine and grumble for any reason. No, our main misfortune is not expensive, not fools, and not even a couple of cheer patriots / liberals, but peculiar “triples” - without knowledge, but with their “back mind” and “very authoritative opinion”.

[xetai9977]

The usual pathos lexicon is “strategic” This word usually means nuclear missiles, aircraft carriers, long-range bombers. As for loans. there are people in your manual. who set out to sponsor Armenia at the expense of your own taxpayers. God help you. Not a single politician in his right mind can still understand why the Russian leadership has put and is betting on the Armenians in the Karabakh conflict, rejecting Azerbaijan, which is many times more profitable partner than Armenia, for which for some reason everyone in the world forever "owes". They say opinions, they say, Russia. selling us weapons helps out funds for the maintenance of Armenia. It’s not the case either. Profit does not go to the budget, does not go to decent pay for workers of the same defense industry enterprises, but goes to the maintenance and financing of the aggressor country. And this is clear to everyone. Perhaps with the exception of particularly stubborn users of this site.

[Yujanin.]

Sounds say, they say, Russia. selling us weapons helps out funds for the maintenance of Armenia.

By the way, according to reliable rumors, this painful issue can put a fat cross on the planned large military contracts between Russia and Azerbaijan, which is not good for both countries.

[antivirus]

we must recall Elchibey (the Aliyevs also did not seek a military alliance + the base is aimed at Asia Minor) and other slogans from the 90s
then you can be silent.

[xetai9977]

That you would be silent! And what attitude was expected after that. how did your 366th regiment wipe Khojaly from the face of the earth? When weapons flowed from the North Caucasus to the separatists in Karabakh! What a hello, that’s the answer! By the way, Elchibey made his first visit to Moscow! They didn’t appreciate it ... Okay, then Yeltsin was supposedly not thinking. And now, who interferes with objectively assessing the situation?

[antivirus]

Was it 87 g or 88 g?
Earlier, Azerbaijanis determined the direction of the feeder, away from Moscow.
A trip around the world (first visit) is not an indicator --- if oil leaves the control of Moscow (USSR)
DRINK IT ALL TOGETHER, AND HOPE IN THE MORNING EVERYONE ALONE.

[garnik]

2 or 3 IFVs broke into the city; their task was to take over the airport. The BMP crews were Armenian. Perhaps the Russian military volunteers provided fire support from infantry fighting vehicles without entering the city itself.
And what then should the Armenians say. Shamanov 1990 to 1994 - commander of the 328th Guards Parachute Regiment of the 104th Guards Airborne Division (in 1993 the regiment was relocated from Kirovabad to Ulyanovsk). In 1992, he fought in the Karabakh conflict on the side of Azerbaijan. He participated in the summer offensive of the Azerbaijani troops. The occupation of the Shahumyan district of Ar.tsakh was carried out by the airborne regiment led by Shamanov.

[avt]

Quote: xetai9977

This word usually means nuclear missiles, aircraft carriers, long-range bombers.

Sofa generals? Taki-yes. And in fact it is weapons that radically changes the situation in the region in favor of one or another player, or maintains the balance of the parties with fear of unacceptable losses. Without going into arguments about this stuffing in the article, Moscow needs a frozen conflict, since there are no options for resolving it peacefully from the word at all, right after the weakening of central authority in the USSR and even more so with the creation of national states from the republics of the USSR. Zugzwang classic.

[Nikolaevich I]

In vain you are ..... drive a turbid wave! The issuance of preferential (and very preferential ...) loans is a world practice, when there is a political component ... the United States has been doing this for a long time ...

[xetai9977]

.. "The United States has been doing this for a long time .."
The United States does not put on those regimes and countries that are obviously hopeless in financial terms and will not benefit their treasury! And what is Armenia more promising than Azerbaijan? To say the least

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: xetai9977

And what is Armenia more promising than Azerbaijan?

The fact that it is not Turkish. We do not need to spread Turkish influence in the region, therefore, all military contacts with you are only for the market price. And we will rearm Armenia for profit.

[Yujanin.]

We do not need the spread of Turkish influence in the region

How do you feel about the spread of pro-Western ideas in the region?

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Yujanin.

How do you feel about the spread of pro-Western ideas in the region?

I feel bad. If you don’t want the pro-Russian idea of ​​living as under the Union with the Armenians under a single center, then the war is guaranteed to you. Your older brothers will solve your geopolitical tasks.

[Yujanin.]

Through you, your older brothers will solve their geopolitical tasks.

The threat is far from there ..

[FLOOD]

We have no older brothers for 30 years, and war is like a wedding for us. In vain, the ex-bros squealed. And the geopolitical alignment today is not resolved without us. One must be blind so as not to notice the latest events!

[xetai9977]

"By the fact that she is not Turkish."
You did not answer the question! The Armenians are not Turkish, and this brings you income and dividends?
. "And for profit we will re-equip Armenia."
So deprive yourself of any income. And your pensioner will suffer. For God's sake! God help you!
As for our relations with the Turks, we are essentially the same nation with them. You do not understand this! We were, are and will always be together with them! But does that really mean "quarrel with Russia?"

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: xetai9977

You did not answer the question! The Armenians are not Turkish, and this brings you income and dividends?

And the question does not lie only in the plane of finance. There are also security costs that do not bring visible profit (only an extra burden and unforeseen expenses). But it is worth it.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: xetai9977

As for our relations with the Turks, we are essentially the same nation with them. You do not understand this! We were, are and will always be together with them! But does that really mean "quarrel with Russia?"

In such matters I am not guided by emotions, but by a good knowledge of history. So, with all the good attitude to the Azerbaijan SSR and our common history, it would be completely non-state to allow Turkish influence in the Caucasus. This means the Russian regiments fought with them in vain, since the Turks set foot on The Caucasus. You are one nation, but your conflict with the Armenians allows us not to lose the region and does not allow Ankara to take decisive action.

[FLOOD]

Which SSR did you say? And in January of the 90th, did the Turks enter Baku already? My friend, believe me, nothing personal is against you, but the Caucasus, especially the South, you already ... have breached!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: xetai9977

How is Armenia more promising than Azerbaijan?

If “nothing personal”, then: 1. Azerbaijan is a Muslim country and gravitates towards Muslim countries, in particular Turkey. 2. Azerbaijan is arming heavily and the weapons being purchased are mostly non-Russian. 3. Anti-Russian sentiments are quite common in Azerbaijan ... in particular, for priority Armenian-Russian relations, for Armenia’s membership in the EAEU (due to Nagorno-Karabakh) ... 4. Azerbaijan is Russia's competitor in oil production and sales in the Caspian region. Azerbaijan prefers "oil" affairs partnership is not with Russia ...
Armenia: 1. Member of the Customs Union; 2. Russia has a Russian military base; 3. In the procurement of weapons, Russian weapons prevail; 4. In the confrontation with Azerbaijan, Armenia can count on only Russian assistance; 5. Armenia is a Christian country; 6. In Armenia, there is potential for the economic development of PSIf “personally”, then, in general, I dislike both Azerbaijanis and Armenians (both make big money in Russia, get rich, but anyway .. ..and those and others consider themselves superior to the Russians ... for those and for others: Russia is bad, Russians are bad ... But I don’t understand: what did “those and others” from their nat.zakuloks pulled into Russia? What can they not feed themselves there? After all, they had “themselves” nothing (!), but in Russia they became “everything”! And as soon as in Russia they become “everything” (as they believe!), they immediately begin to scold them out of rudeness towards Russia, towards Russians! In fact, they really They owe everything to Russia, but they believe that they don’t owe anything ... Alas, such is the real "nature" of Armenians and Azerbaijanis.

[garnik]

Armenia is Russia's historical and strategic ally. We have the same interests in the Middle East, which cannot be said about you.
Why do you think Russians are frivolous? Or do you think that Russia should strangle itself for money?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Logall

A loan is issued with a maturity of 15 years at 3% per annum - this is a knowingly unprofitable loan! Including inflation of 7%, for fifteen years we lose 60%!

The loan is issued in dollars and will be given in dollars so that we don’t lose anything. 3% is a normal percentage on a foreign currency loan.

[Yujanin.]

Armenian authorities intend to purchase in Russia within the framework of a new defense loan in the amount of $ 100 million. strategic deterrentRIA Novosti reports a statement by the Minister of Defense of the Republic Vigen Sargsyan.

In my opinion, only a person far from military affairs can count on the fact that for $ 100 million loan can be purchased from Russia strategic deterrent

[Gml]

You can buy strategic deterrence weapons from Russia

Well, why, and if the weapon is second-hand, outdated, etc. It is not written what is new. In this case, of course, there is the possibility that such a weapon turns into a Trojan.

[novel66]

strategic? vigorous loaf? I can’t believe my eyes!

[PalBor]

The weapons of strategic deterrence include ATGMs, air defense systems, and some types of cruise missiles ... That is, the WTO, for example, etc.

[Yujanin.]

You will not surprise a possible adversary with this, and all the more you will not hold back ..

[Sergey53]

Well, if so. And then in recent years, practice has begun, as in Soviet times, to give money on credit for the purchase of weapons at cost, with subsequent write-off of debts.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Sergey53

purchase of weapons at cost, followed by cancellation of debts.

it will be so ...

[vladimirvn]

Unfortunately, having “allies” is expensive.

[Redfox3k]

That is, as usual, FREE. More precisely, not entirely for nothing, but at our expense. There are not enough kindergartens and pediatricians in the country, this is at the very least, and here they take and throw out almost 6 billion rubles. Of course, an ally and all that, but no one will feed the neighbor on the landing just because he doesn’t sh ... t you at the door.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Redfox3k

Well, no one will feed the neighbor on the landing just because he doesn’t w ... t you at the door.

Well, if you don’t want to “feed the neighbor”, it means you’re lucky .... you’re nobody “don’t c ... l under the door”! And why are you nervous? You still would not have gotten 6 billions ... and so, what's the difference? They gave the billiards to someone ... or plundered, as usual ... This is Rasea, my friend!

[100502]

I think they got a good rollback for such a bad loan

[voyaka uh]

"strategic deterrence" - refers to Iskander. And what else?
Azerbaijan will probably respond with the purchase of approximately equivalent systems
Short-range ballistic missile (or long-range MLRS). Tear the cities apart ...
Just like ours

[antivirus]

Yes, it is the Higher Art - to get out of the confrontation in unreasonable promises of good neighborliness.
Israel has not enough.

[mariusdeyeraleone]

You know, this is a tale about iskander, needed for zhurnalyug and population. They have no chance.

[voyaka uh]

Chances for what?
It is impossible to win with their help, but a couple
microdistricts in the city they can demolish.

[xetai9977]

Microdistrict is unlikely. In the best case, a couple of houses. But much more will fly back. For it already means total war. By the way, they will not reach Baku. And Yerevan will be easily under fire. And the CSTO will not help. For there are no "Iskanders" in Karabakh. If applicable, then from Armenia. Accordingly, they will receive the answer.

[Gml]

they will receive an answer

You probably meant the same thing.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: voyaka uh

Chances for what?
It is impossible to win with their help, but a couple
microdistricts in the city they can demolish.

But there is no such statement of the question. No one Iskander is going to demolish neighborhoods - neither in Russia nor in Armenia. Iskanders as a tool are not intended for mass use, such weapons are highly accurate dagger in nature - the destruction of command posts, strategic infrastructure, including military etc. And to defend against it today and in the near future is impossible.

Therefore, in certain critical areas, the deployment of the Iskander, despite the fact that it is an operational-tactical class weapon, it plays a political and strategic role, such as in Kaliningrad or Karabakh.

[mariusdeyeraleone]

They won’t dare to shoot, though the Armenians don’t hold the finger on the button. Another thing is interesting here. They’ll hold on to the end. They won’t give a centime without a fight. You need to understand them too

[Alexey RA]

Quote: voyaka uh

"strategic deterrence" - refers to Iskander. And what else?
Azerbaijan will probably respond with the purchase of approximately equivalent systems
Short-range ballistic missile (or long-range MLRS).

So already:

At the rehearsal of the military parade held on September 16, 2016 in Yerevan in honor of the 25th anniversary of the independence of Armenia (to be held on September 21), self-propelled launchers of the Iskander-E operational-tactical missile system were first noticed.

Azerbaijan signed a contract with Turkey for the purchase of 21 units of the T-300 Kasirga MLRS in 2013. MLRS T-300 Kasirga for the Azerbaijani army were installed on the chassis of Russian Kamaz-63502 off-road trucks.

© bmpd

[mariusdeyeraleone]

I read and wonder! From the absence of the maternal rear, no weapons will save))))

[dog breeder]

I read the article, the comments under it ... The question arose: for some reason, no one is advocating good-neighborly relations, but they are trying to continue what they did before - to fight and discuss the war ... Well, yes, we can say that this relationship , I mean the conflict, very, very, very many years, and there's nothing to be done ... But there is good folk wisdom that a bad world is better than a good war! And there is one wisdom that is very suitable for this and other similar situations - do not deceive your neighbor, otherwise the distant one will deceive! True, in the mouth of the people, this expression more accurately expresses the fact that America has practically all of the gesheft in almost all international conflicts!

[xetai9977]

"Gesheft has America!"
What kind of "gesheft has America" ​​in the conflict that the Armenians fanned from the filing of the Russian leadership in the early 90's?

[dog breeder]

I think this conflict is more than years old than you think, but there is no direct line about the benefits of the Americans in this conflict, but after analyzing it, you come to this conclusion.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: xetai9977

What kind of "gesheft has America" ​​in the conflict that the Armenians fanned from the filing of the Russian leadership in the early 90's?

EMNIP, Karabakh didn’t leave the screens even under the Sword.
The state of emergency in the NKAR was introduced back in January 1990. At the same time, the skirmishes escalated into mutual shelling, and then full-fledged clashes.
The center, as usual, at best tried to please both ours and yours, and at worst it simply pretended that nothing had happened and taldychit mantras about internationalism

[Livonetc]

Quote: Yujanin.

Sounds say, they say, Russia. selling us weapons helps out funds for the maintenance of Armenia.

By the way, according to reliable rumors, this painful issue can put a fat cross on the planned large military contracts between Russia and Azerbaijan, which is not good for both countries.

Oh really.
That's just Aliyev Ruahani and Putin sat next to each other discussing the largest regional project already launched.
Everything will be just a turn.
Working with both Azerbaijan and Armenia, Russia brings the situation to parity.
Now, if Russia supported anyone individually, then problems could not be avoided.

[Yujanin.]

I did not seem to say that Azerbaijan is opposed to economic cooperation with Russia. On the contrary, Baku is always happy to make close relations with neighbors, who in turn do not make territorial claims against us.

[padded jacket]

If everything goes as it is now, soon Armenia and Azerbaijan will be "good neighbors" NKR will become an independent state and Baku will be gentle and faithful friends with Iran while loudly and angrily condemning the "bloody" and aggressive regime of Israel
The only thing in this case is a little pity for our users from the Baku regime, they urgently have to rebuild their propaganda and begin to sing the laudatory odes of Russia to Armenia and Iran

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

In vain boiling padded jacket. Israel deserves its laudatory note. And who the state along with Turkey and Pakistan were the first to recognize the sovereignty and independence of Azerbaijan

[garnik]

And what about Zade, or do you despise yours too with the end of Zade? Slowly and the Talysh themselves will respect themselves, there was already a precedent in 1994, unfortunately the Persians did not support them.
According to the events a week ago, there were two starts of spikes from your territory and both past, which confirms the participation of the "bros" in April 2016.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich

Israel deserved its laudatory note

Made laugh
1. You Azerbaijanis need to forget about the NKR, it will never be yours no matter how much you scream and puff.
NKR will be an independent republic, albeit few recognized.
2. If you as a state want to survive, you simply do not have another way to be friends with your neighbors, so improve relations with Russia, Iran and, of course, Armenia.
3. For the regimes of the USA and Israel, Azerbaijan is just a tool with which they will use and when it becomes unnecessary they will “wipe” you and throw them out and then, as they say with pleasure, “will dance on your grave”.
The United States and Israel are traitors by nature and the fact that now you have trusted them will definitely destroy you in the future.
So, before it's too late, face off with Armenia and Iran, settle the Karabakh problem and join the CSTO.

[Yujanin.]

If everything goes as it is now, soon Armenia and Azerbaijan will be "good neighbors" NKR will become an independent state and Baku will be gentle and faithful friends with Iran while loudly and angrily condemning the "bloody" and aggressive regime of Israel

At the same time, there is still a big difference between business and aspiration in the gums ...

[padded jacket]

Quote: Yujanin.

In vain boil padded jacket zade. Israel has earned its laudatory note.

Yes, I don’t care about your laudatory songs in honor of Israel, just apparently soon you will have to rehash them at an accelerated pace

Quote: Yujanin.

At the same time, there is still a difference between business and aspiration in the gums ...

Well, you know better. You are our main businessmen.
In the meantime, you should not forget the Azerbaijanis
102 Russian military base in Erebuni, Armenia

CSTO “Interaction-2017” exercises in Armenia

[Yujanin.]

In the meantime, you should not forget the Azerbaijanis
102 Russian military base in Erebuni ,, Armenia

The first duty should not be forgotten by the same democratic Armenia. And we are not warm and not cold from these bases. They are not there because of us)

[padded jacket]

Quote: Yujanin.

The first duty should be remembered by the same democratic Armenia. And we are not warm and not cold from these bases.

So Armenia knows this very well. She knows that Russia is behind her.

[Yujanin.]

Few people care what part of Armenia Russia breathes.

[mariusdeyeraleone]

Quote: dog breeder

I read the article, the comments under it ... The question arose: for some reason, no one is advocating good-neighborly relations, but they are trying to continue what they did before - to fight and discuss the war ... Well, yes, we can say that this relationship , I mean the conflict, very, very, very many years, and there's nothing to be done ... But there is good folk wisdom that a bad world is better than a good war! And there is one wisdom that is very suitable for this and other similar situations - do not deceive your neighbor, otherwise the distant one will deceive! True, in the mouth of the people, this expression more accurately expresses the fact that America has practically all of the gesheft in almost all international conflicts!

Yes? Good relationship? Give me 1 room from your hut. And we will be friends! Give the city and your fan forever)))

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: mariusdeayeraleone

They won’t dare to shoot, though the Armenians don’t hold the finger on the button. Another thing is interesting here. They’ll hold on to the end. They won’t give a centime without a fight. You need to understand them too

Where does the information that non-Armenians hold the finger on the button come from? If we are talking about the Armenian Iskander-E.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: mariusdeayeraleone

Yes? Good relationship? Give me 1 room from your hut. And we will be friends! Give the city and your fan forever)))

The fact of the matter is that Karabakh has never been “your hut”. Not a single mosque in the territory before the 19th century has existed and never was, while churches there are 10 centuries older.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: xetai9977

"Gesheft has America!"
What kind of "gesheft has America" ​​in the conflict that the Armenians fanned from the filing of the Russian leadership in the early 90's?

Seriously? Where does the information come from? The conflict was in an active stage since the Soviet era, and prerequisites appeared from the beginning of the century.

[Nemesis]

They buy for money, but Armenia and the like want it for nothing, at the expense of and to the detriment of the Russian Federation and Moscow is in their wake

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: xetai9977

Microdistrict is unlikely. In the best case, a couple of houses. But much more will fly back. For it already means total war. By the way, they will not reach Baku. And Yerevan will be easily under fire. And the CSTO will not help. For there are no "Iskanders" in Karabakh. If applicable, then from Armenia. Accordingly, they will receive the answer.

Critical points are everywhere, and the total war that you are talking about is not beneficial to anyone. At Az.R. There are critical points, the mere mention of which makes the military-political leadership of Baku nervous, although the military in Armenia never publicly talked about this, for example, the Mengachaur reservoir. If you organize a diversion there, then half of the republic will be washed off to the Caspian. Although, judging by the technical condition of the dam, this may not be necessary - since its construction it has never been repaired, which is at least strange.

A full-scale war also means the destruction of oil and gas pipelines - it is also not beneficial to anyone, especially the West.

You can’t remind me of the Metsamor NPP, it is protected at the proper level, and no one will allow you to do anything with it militarily, especially Turkey and Iran.

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

. Although, judging by the technical condition of the dam,

Well, when you had time to get acquainted with the technical condition of the dam, and may have participated in the overhaul.
Do not write nonsense

[padded jacket]

Quote: Yujanin.

Few people care what part of Armenia Russia breathes.

This worries you because you are afraid, despite all your loud screams and "fist shaking", to beat Karabakh

[mariusdeyeraleone]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Quote: mariusdeayeraleone

Yes? Good relationship? Give me 1 room from your hut. And we will
friends! give the city and your fan forever)))

The fact of the matter is that Karabakh has never been “your hut”. Not a single mosque in the territory before the 19th century has existed and never was, while churches there are 10 centuries older.

In my student years, I studied in the Russian Federation. We passed an exam on the history of Russia. So there was a question about the Karabakh Khanate and the conclusion of agreements with the tsar’s generals, and the history of Azerbaijan from the time of the tsar’s occupation. 3 Armenians studied with us and they had to answer as they were, very nice to see that ..

[Karen]

Our historians write that the Turks appeared on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh when one of ours took possession of the inheritance from a relative of Melik illegally, and to ensure his safety from the rest of the Armenian meliks, he invited Panah. Panah turned out to be a leader of high quality, and took a worthy place in the hierarchy of Meliks, his connections with the other Turks of the region also came in handy ... But his role was never dominant ... neither in the number of soldiers, nor in other opportunities ... Here are the representative powers he was given, on behalf of all the Meliks ...

[mariusdeyeraleone]

Quote: Karen

Our historians write that the Turks appeared on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh when one of ours took possession of
The inheritance from a relative of Melik is illegal, and to ensure his safety from the rest of the Armenian meliks, Panah was invited. Panah turned out to be a high-quality leader, and took a worthy place in the hierarchy of Meliks, his connections with the other Turks of the region were useful ... But his role was never dominant ... neither in terms of the number of soldiers, nor in other opportunities ... Here are the representative powers he was given, on behalf of all the Meliks ...

Your historians are wrong. The agreements were signed with the empire, in the person of the generals who reported to the king. Gyulustan, Turkmen, etc., but right now it doesn’t matter, it's in the past.
It is important to see what happens next, how you turn in. Does your trick save you. Do you think we like to kill people in the future ...

[Karen]

Before the Gulistan and Turkmechay times, the history of those lands was not? Only one episode can be recalled ... when Timur ordered the destruction of the Amaras church, and his warriors threw our story into the Araks ...
And you fought with the Turks ... and not once or twice. Probably, today you don’t go about this at schools anymore ... Shah Ismail with his valor forever in the lists of heroes ... Somewhere at the end of the XNUMXth century yours even suggested that Europeans attack the Ottomans together ...
... Well, about future wars - all the well-known clairvoyants speak of one result ... In 6 years it will be hot ... here all the puppeteers of geopolitics will try on us with you their theories in practice ...

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich

. Although, judging by the technical condition of the dam,

Well, when you had time to get acquainted with the technical condition of the dam, and may have participated in the overhaul.
Do not write nonsense

Well, in general, in principle, if you slap your paws a little and look on the Internet for information about this, then you will see for yourself my words.

If you do not know how, then here are a few links: http://kolokolrussia.ru/evraziya/v-zakavkaze-nach
inaetsya-voyna-plotin-i-atomnh-elektrostanciy
http://www.s-zakon.ru/penetron-news/penetron-na-z
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As you can see for yourself, there has never been a major overhaul. Of course, the safety margin there is serious - in Soviet times, garbage was not built, but a lot of time has passed since 1954, and given the fact that Baku still cannot solve the problems of sewage and clean drinking water, it is not surprising that the issue of overhaul on the dam is not resolved.

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

Spank your feet on the Internet about the strategic issue and find information about it. I repeat, do not carry delirium know how show.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: mariusdeayeraleone

In my student years, I studied in the Russian Federation. We passed an exam on the history of Russia. So there was a question about the Karabakh Khanate and the conclusion of agreements with the tsar’s generals, and the history of Azerbaijan from the time of the tsar’s occupation. 3 Armenians studied with us and they had to answer as they were, very nice to see that ..

At one time, the empire of Alexander the Great included everything that was possible, including Iran, Central Asia, Afghanistan and part of India. But they even left traces of Hellenism there, i.e. own cultural heritage. Armenians also everywhere where they lived and live left traces of their material culture. At Az.R. this is bad, if Muslim monuments at least can be appropriated for themselves (even if they do not relate to the history and culture of the Azerbaijani Turks), then they can’t get along with Christian ones. Therefore, you have to demolish the Armenian medieval cemeteries and churches, as it was in New Julfa and throughout the territory of Az.R., including Nakhichevan.

In Shushi, for example, mosques are being restored on the contrary, because this also has a direct bearing on the Armenian people: the stone-makers at the construction of mosques were Armenians, which is confirmed by the characteristic method of masonry. It is not customary for the Armenians to demolish anything, which is especially enraging to many in Baku, including the blasphemer of Sheikh-ul-Islam Allahshukur Pashazade. Instead of rejoicing in the restoration of mosques, he goes wild.

Armenians do not need to appropriate foreign cultural heritage, no one says that the mosques are Armenian, just the Armenians participated in the construction of them in the 19th century. The same historical Istanbul and Baku (including Soviet architecture) were built entirely by Armenians and it infuriates many, and Armenians take this calmly.

[mariusdeyeraleone]

Quote: Karen

Before the Gulistan and Turkmechay times of history, those
were there no edges? Only one episode can be recalled ... when Timur ordered the destruction of the Amaras church, and his warriors in a row dumped our story into Araks ...
And you fought with the Turks ... and not once or twice. Probably, today you don’t go about this at schools anymore ... Shah Ismail with his valor forever in the lists of heroes ... Somewhere at the end of the XNUMXth century yours even suggested that Europeans attack the Ottomans together ...
... Well, about future wars - all the well-known clairvoyants speak of one result ... In 6 years it will be hot ... here all the puppeteers of geopolitics will try on us with you their theories in practice ...

There is such a phrase, says we ourselves are to blame for our troubles!
And in misfortunes, the people themselves are to blame! In the person of such scum as the Shah Ismail ... KTR thought about their greatness, calling the state language of the empire Azerbaijani and the country they called their own surname, moreover, it spread Shiism. Turks attacked and killed, cut their heads and carried them around the cities in Azerbaijan. not a man! It’s not for nothing that the Lord divided Azerbaijan and created enemies like you on its territory. It’s simply brilliant! We need so much inado, the enemy who defiles shrines, glues crosses anywhere, waging a powerful information war and sucking anyone who feels like Azerbaijan, distorting its history, torturing and killing the population. Itd list is big ....
But when he was Ismail (so that his family was ashes) began to play with the last religion of the Lord on earth, he chased the cemeteries of the soldiers of the last prophet. Thus, the Lord will not forgive. Alas, of course, but VKM teaches us a great lesson. You are just an example for the future
x generation

[FLOOD]

No matter what LUPU Armenia holds, nothing will help it!

[Karen]

Vange has a better future.
And not just Wange.
The Wheel of History in Asia Minor will make a full turn in 7 years ... The consequences for foreigners are predictable.

[Karen]

Cartographers all over the world already know what and how they will draw ... BEHIND THE BOTTOM designate Az.

[FLOOD]

Plagiarism and theft is the lot of the fallen. We steal and assign everything as always ... even other people's thoughts))) LUPA in your hands, hold on to the LUPU more tightly!

[Karen]

This is the clinical case when a patient knows from Vanga about his imminent death, and, holding FOR a circumcised Jewish-Turkish LUPU, is looking for a way out in the dark ... how can the future be changed in the remaining time ... recalling his old methods .. Well, those, for example, about which the midshipman did not write.
I'll write it myself ...
... Leonid Brezhnev is sunbathing on a Baku beach, with his eyes closed ... a curling dog runs up to him and licks his legs ... Brezhnev, without opening his eyes, says: "Well, Aliyev, this is too much."
This time has passed.
You know about the future ... you will soon bring the bear to fury ...

[FLOOD]

Leave you poor Wang alone! Is there nothing to do? You are either a schoolboy or an inferior, yet Kashpirovsky and Messing can be dragged here About the tan of the late Brezhnev, this is generally an "Armenian radio", and about the lovers of licking all of humanity is already aware)))
And yet, is this a bear, "world Armenians" or do you mean your older brothers, from whom you licked almost the entire hairline? Yes, so licked that for LUZPA not consider!

[Karen]

YOU BECAUSE A LUPA still sees Az. But this is so, temporarily ... and as long as the corpse is not buried, he has the right to stink. I have already given an example on Wang - it’s about 2016 too. predicted ..
A century ago, your older brothers, who seized power in Moscow, did everything for you ... and the German helped you, and the British ... In the 1920s, yours already told the emissaries from Ankara: "You don’t know them ... a century already under their yoke .. they’ll kill everyone if we don’t obey. "
Apparently, your past fears wake up ... and there is something ...

[FLOOD]

I don’t know what Wang you are and what your relationship with the deceased was, too. Normal people believe in God, and not in the fruit of His creation. The knowledge on PMV is generally useless for you, but about a phobia for something you run up from birth.
Neither I nor my compatriots have the slightest fear of anyone but the Almighty. Such FOR LUPY, giants that you see in the form of a savior will not help you. I wrote this in my comment: "No matter what LUPU Armenia holds, nothing will help it!"

[Karen]

You should read how you immediately fell under the Bolsheviks in the 1920th. Georgians, even having lost all their historical belligerence, even then tried to fight back from them. Then you can read about German help, and about English, already in WWI.
You are here so colorfully clowning around that I want to ask you, where were you in the war of the 90s? This is when you inherited from the Union 20000 wagons of ammunition ... If the little one was then ask the older generation, they will clarify a lot ... And go to the grave of E. Primakov ... it was he who bothered the drunk of EBN to prevent us from the banks of the Kura ... Hold on to his LUPPU and to the LUPU of his last ... Maybe it will help ...

[FLOOD]

Lay under the Bolsheviks ?! And you were standing under them fulfilling your duties?))) We laid down under them, and they created a state for you on our lands, and even with the capital Erivan. Your pseudo-state was created on the territory of only one of our khanates, who are you trying to “history” here ?! Tell fables about wagons and ammunition to provincials from Samara or Tambov, these tales are already outdated, turn on your imagination and sleep. stay with someone for a new fable. About Yeltsin and Primakov do not stutter at all, they are not here and they will not confirm the blundered by you. Sit and wait for your time, soon everyone will be FOR THE LUPE, you are required to decide on the point of contact. And keep all of you indiscriminately and with RESPONSE!

[Karen]

It’s already progress that you admit - you fell under the Bolsheviks without resistance, rejoicing in your Jewish rainfall falling from the sky ...
As for 20000 b / w cars, what's wrong? Yours also fired guns delivered from the Caspian flotilla.
In the Azerbaijan SSR there was so much armament that the SA would calmly fly to the Persian Gulf in an instant.
According to the drunk and Primakov. Yes, there are none now and we won’t be able to confirm this (then you could have drunk an alcoholic and cause an outburst of truth) ... But one thing is for sure - the massacre in our parliament on 27.10.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX. organized the Jewish wing of the SVR Primakov - to steal the future from us ... So - go and kiss FOR Primakov’s magnifier.
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And according to history. You were not here ...
Return to Central Asia.

[FLOOD]

It was neither you nor your fellow tribesmen here. You jumped here holding on to the imperial magnifier. And all of the above is the fruit of your sick imagination. Everyone knows you and what fruit you are. Everyone knows. You are now laying claim to half of Russia. At one time, the Ottoman Empire also warmed you and fed you, you acted meanly with it, now you are trying to do the same with Russia. Ungrateful you.
As for us, the bloody January and the Khojaly tragedy plus the occupied territories, which we will certainly return, were left to us as a legacy from the scoop! I repeat once again: no FOR MAGNIFICENT will save you, and this your fidgeting and grin once again confirms the stupidity and obstinacy of your nature. Hold on tight, the LUPA is languishing!

[FLOOD]

During the visit of Dmitry Medvedev, Serge Sargsyan made two reproaches to him - for the supply of Russian weapons to Azerbaijan and for the fact that the EAEU refused to hold a meeting of prime ministers in Yerevan these days. Medvedev did not answer, judging by an official statement. He uttered traditional words about friendship and other things, but even Medvedev knew how stupid they sounded against the background of what had happened. After what happened, no one listens to the words, everyone watches the actions.[i] [/ i]

[Karen]

FLOOD,
Don’t you understand that Karabakh will not be either yours or ours ... We were told about 15 years ago that historically these are lands of Caucasian tribes.
In 5-6 years, the Russians will throw off their neck, and the Russian march will pass from Baku to Istanbul. Through Mingachevir and Karabakh, Russia will contact Iran allied with it, I don’t know about through Baku and Talysh ...
But the Turks will be left only the territory that was Konya .... and then only because there will be nowhere to place them in Central Asia ... As Gladstone once said to the Turks: "Get out of Europe!"
Run, TUFAN, run ... TURKISH FOR THE MAGNIFIER that now hold on and it is shining for you, the Turks themselves will drop and crush when they flee ...

[FLOOD]

Dreaming is not bad! You are dreamers by nature. I said, it’s you in life holding on to the imperial magnifying glass. It used to be Ottoman, now Euro-American-Russian. Do not decide yet yet whose two hands to cling to. You have never been and never will be independent in history. As for the march, you are troubled by comforts of this kind everywhere. Rather, Turetsky’s march will pass through Zangezur and Gokcha, I think you will be lucky enough to become an eyewitness, if of course you are lucky ...

[Karen]

Would you ask historians how the Turks managed to gain a foothold in Asia Minor a thousand years ago? They will answer you that Bagratuni divided Armenia between their own, and the ties of individual kingdoms of subsequent generations weakened, and the Turks managed to conquer individually ... well, our graters with the Greeks. The Turks did not have a chance to host here, if not for our omissions !!!!
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There, in a branch about special forces, you said that war is like a wedding for you .... You know, in our next war there will be no more prisoners as a class ... You won’t even have the opportunity to regret the words said ...

[FLOOD]

Are you trailing me down the branches? Well, well .. go for it, maybe you'll find a loaf of bread. Regarding the prisoners, cut yourself up on a business card, our guys were secretly ordered not to take prisoners. Payback for Khojaly will be terrible. Hell will be for you in this lifetime. There will be no mercy for anyone. Infanticides and terrorists like you do not have the right to swallow the air of the universe. I don’t want to communicate with you and may God judge us and history. Fools ate our bread for 150 years, then began to spit on a plate.

[FLOOD]

Only Armenians can carry out terrorist attacks in Moscow, blow up the metro, shopping centers (January 1977) and rely on the Russian march, seek a defender in the person of the Russian people. Only Armenians can reproach the Turks and all other peoples surrounding them for life, declaring the antiquity of the Armenian nation, and with all this, bear the surname Allahverdyan (given by Allah), Tanryverdyan (Tanra-ancient Turkic Almighty). There are infinitely many such examples. Speak on your own behalf, not on behalf of other nations. This once again proves your meagerness, and such that you can’t even look beyond it!

[Karen]

I'm tired of explaining the future corpse of pan-Turkism to geopolitics ...
I repeat: first of all, kiss FOR THE MAGNIFICENT of the Jewish (Zionist) elite of the ARF, which in 1918 did not allow the Bolsheviks to cut out everything Turkic in Baku ...
Etc. etc.

[FLOOD]

So you kiss and exist! Where is your youth, where is your intelligentsia ??? I will gladly become a corpse and lie in my native land. We have at least 20% of our population abroad, but how many of yours are looming by the chords? I hope you remember how GDP responded to your woeful intellectuals about the population of Armenia. More than half of yours in Russia are choked. Why not in his "historical" homeland? Are you sowing seeds of discord over mother Russia? Soon you will be driven from Russia too, so be strong. Not all Russians are aware of your villains. Apparently, my reminder about how you are not dumb by character in terms of magnifying glass pinched you. So it is only given to you, live and rejoice!