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It's time to be baptized until thunder. About the Russian-Ukrainian border

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I wonder how much we will pretend that all people are brothers? How many we will come up with versions of technological accidents and manifestations of the aggressiveness of individuals? The people are good, the state is bad. People are not guilty that they have such a state. We are Russian. We have to love everyone. We should be the last to share. Even when we are thrown into the muck of shit and watered our homeland.




The topic of this article has been brewing for a long time. Like a boil. Moreover, our understanding of the Ukrainian processes is somewhat more thoughtful and benevolent than that of the majority of Russians. For many reasons.

However, do not you think that we too long and often wait to act? We are waiting for adequate action from the Americans, when they do not just spit in our faces, but also rub their boots with a boot. We are waiting for adequate action from NATO. With the same result. We are waiting for Ukraine to "come around." A boil not only expands, but also acquires new heads.

So, Crimea was subjected to a terrorist attack. Whatever our official bodies say and write about, the facts speak precisely about this. Gas pipelines, power transmission towers ... Familiar handwriting? Isn't it true, we once wrote about this? And also in the area. According to the logic, we will wait for the next “accident” at any water supply station. We also wrote about the channel ...

We will not analyze these "accidents" today. Most of the readers have already studied this topic for a long time, as well as they almost studied the causes of these “accidents”. Fortunately, the Internet provides such an opportunity for the rapid dissemination of information that it becomes difficult to hide something. Even the special services.

Today we are about something else. Could the specialists really stand up to the terrorists in Crimea? Yes, and in other border areas of Russia? And maybe not in the border ...

Those who have ever been on the Russian-Ukrainian border, understand perfectly what is at stake. Look at the obvious. On the same spit in the face. Compare how Ukrainians go to the “aggressor country” and how Russians do it.

Have you ever seen a Ukrainian international passport on the border? Did not see? Right. For Ukrainians, Russia is not abroad. And try to go to Ukraine with a civil passport ...

It is clear that now some particularly good readers will begin to exaggerate the topic of border areas. There are supposedly treaties ... Well, hereinafter referred to. And there will be about mercy and "people are not guilty."

We agree. And the Russians in the Crimea to blame? Or does mercy not already apply to them? But the thing is that the rules of passage with a civil passport apply to all Ukrainians. Regardless of the place of residence.

How is the Ukrainian Russian border? "Hello. Where are you going? - To relatives in ..."

Then you can call any city, any street. Anyway, no one will check. Our border guards do not have such a base. Yes, and the task of monitoring who entered them no one puts. The simplest procedure.

And what happens when the Russians cross the border? At first glance, about the same. With the exception of a mandatory passport. But in fact? But in fact, in any computer border guards connected database "Peacemaker", "200 Cargo" and "Terrorist."

The very bases about the illegality of which everyone has been talking for so long and persistently. And we, and Europeans, and Americans.

Who does not know, the “Separator” system is already working, when you can compare a person's photo with the “Peacekeeper” base right from the phone.

The dog barks, the wind blows, and the caravan moves on. The bases are! And work. See the Ukrainian media. There periodically "float" messages about the detention of "separatists" who fought in the Donbas. Do you think this is a good job SBU? A person who may not be related to the republics, was there for some personal matters, but through the efforts of Svidomo fell into one of these bases, the SBU was under arrest and hard pressure.

Do you think that many will not break and do not confess all mortal sins? You know, in Ukraine, even a new type of business has appeared. “Redeem yourself from the Peacemaker database. The prices are still divine. From a thousand dollars.

And we pretend that we do not know about it. We pretend that we do not know about the plans for the beginning of 2018 of the year. About chips or bracelets for all Russians coming to Ukraine. We pretend that we do not know about biometric passports. Will we ever respect ourselves?

But back to the Crimean terrorist attacks.

With the control system on the border, which I wrote about above, is it possible for specialists to really control the coming Ukrainians? Do not prohibit entry, but to control? Any schoolchild knows that the work of the security agencies depends largely on intelligence. From contact with local people. From those who are embedded in supervised organizations and groups. Alas...

But what do we have today? We have a situation where the management of these organizations and groups is carried out directly. No complicated schemes for the delivery of directives and setting tasks. No complicated delivery schemes weapons and ammunition. No need even scouts and saboteurs send. It is enough to send instructors who, under the brand of rest in the Crimea, calmly “drag up” a terrorist for one operation.

In the intelligence of Ukraine work "Soviet" intelligence. Those who studied in Soviet universities, mastered the specialty by the Soviet methods and perfectly understand the specifics of the work. They know not only how to organize the operation, but also how to leave after the act. Moreover, they have long been "kept on a leash" by extremists. The leash is different, from money to relatives in Ukraine, but it is there. And the option "we will take you to the Ukrainian territory" works.

The idea that was voiced by our border guards on the construction of a “wall” on the border with Ukraine should be implemented as soon as possible. I knowingly took the word wall in quotes. By this term, I mean equipping the border with the most modern and best technical means. There are such means and opportunities. I do not know about the mouse, but the hare or some hog can be seen clearly.

So maybe it's time to "respond mirror"? On the border? Having brought for the sake of security the joy of the citizens of Ukraine?

By the way, for those who pity the poor Ukrainians, who are forced to go to Russia for the last money to go shopping or for part-time work.

See Ukrainian railway tickets purchase sites. Prices for these same tickets for travel around the country. And for those who looked, I will give additional information. Travel by minibus from Kharkov to the nearest checkpoint costs 85 hryvnia. A reserved seat from Kiev to Kharkov - 150. So the poor do not ride to us on an ongoing basis.

Maybe we can become a foreign country for Ukrainians? And start with a passport. Even to invent nothing. Mirror response to the actions of the Ukrainian government. Can establish databases on participants of anti-terrorist operation, members of extremist organizations, the Ukrainian nationalists? Why is this still not done?

If now someone tells me that such work is underway, I would advise you to watch any Ukrainian social network. Even those who participated in the events in Odessa, quietly come to Moscow, St. Petersburg, to any city in Russia. And the photo spread. Not to mention the participants of the ATO from the punitive battalions.

The fact that today there are a lot of Ukrainian refugees in Russian cities is a fact. As a fact, the fact that for some reason the majority of these refugees do not really rush to work in factories. There is no queue of Ukrainian specialists in front of the gates of these enterprises. But for some money they live. The body must be fed, watered, clothed, shoes. Yes, and you have to pay for the apartment. Maybe it's worth checking the income of these refugees?

It is clear that for the majority of those whom Russia has sheltered, such measures are offensive. These are normal people who, for various reasons, were forced to leave home and leave. This is a difficult step.

But, if you are really a refugee, if you really want to just live, raise children, work, then go ahead. Three years ago, Russia proved that it is merciful and kind. But those "who carries his stone in his bosom" we must catch. I think the Ukrainians will understand the need for this step.

The situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border, let's say, raises concerns. Terrorist attacks in Crimea is a warning. Panic is not worth it. But to pretend that we are deeply on the drum the situation, stupid. Today at stake is the lives of Russians.

Who will guarantee that tomorrow, with the same “accident”, one of the employees or just passers-by will not die? Or are we going to act again according to the old Russian proverb? "Until the thunder clap, the peasant does not cross himself"? It's time to be baptized before the onset of thunderstorms.

And the Ukrainians, if anything, will understand and appreciate. How we understand their current problems. And this will be the best evidence of fraternal relations. Well, who does not understand - so there are a lot of proverbs about how a horse will feel if someone is thrown out of a cart.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 2 November 2017 15: 13 New
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    I agree with the author. Especially when I found out about the trip of the killer doctor to St. Petersburg. She comes to us like that .. 'There are people too ... "These are the words of our President .. What kind of“ people ”are they? do we need it? All this love or hatred of such "brothers"?
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 November 2017 15: 23 New
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      Quote: 210ox
      Here they work almost freely. But do we need this?

      It is necessary ... No matter how anyone says it, we need these migrants.
      Quote: 210ox
      All this love or hatred of such "brothers"?

      What are you attached to this "love"? Do not want do not love, want to love, this is a personal matter for everyone. Here the main thing is different, you just need to put things in order at the border, and for FOUR years we didn’t do it completely, still work and work
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 2 November 2017 16: 00 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Here the main thing is different, you just need to put things in order at the border, and for FOUR years we didn’t do it completely, e

        Sergei hi I understand it offensively, I understand it annoyingly, but for 4 years we have not done ANYTHING, from the word at all, even if we build a wall on the border, the wall will not solve all the problems, Roman correctly says:
        Hello. Where are you going? - To relatives in

        Or give on your paw and go through at least bin Laden with Yarosh in an embrace. request It’s time to eradicate this, it’s long time ago. Only it’s impossible, of course, to cut everyone and refugees and hoopoes under one comb. hi
        1. 97110
          97110 2 November 2017 22: 04 New
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          Quote: vovanpain
          you can’t, of course, cut everyone and refugees and hoopoes under one comb.

          In 1979, he returned from the division to his regiment. The train to Elisenvaara goes along the border zone. Post Kovalevo (I can lie with the names), parking for 6 seconds. An attempt to exit the car was unsuccessful. There is no guide in place. In the next carriage the door is also locked. There is a quorum in the compartment of conductors, I’m superfluous. As a result, a jump into the darkness from a running train. I get out of the snowdrift, a flashlight in the face, "Your documents!" - menacingly. And as you want - a border zone, near the border of the USSR with the CAPITALIST STATE! Well and further: "And why in the order of the senior sergeant, and in the military ID ml. S-t? And why the plate is not curved according to the charter?" And to hand, and open your mouth - you will go to Hiitola, to the commandant’s office. He suffered not in vain, he still managed to sleep.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 4 November 2017 17: 12 New
            +4
            Great article! I absolutely agree with the authors!
            Nobody will reckon with you and respect you if you allow someone to “wipe your feet” about yourself, let yourself beat and destroy yourself and your property in your own country! It is generally dangerous for life and the country as a whole!
        2. Evil Elf
          Evil Elf 3 November 2017 00: 38 New
          +1
          I think normal ones will understand this check
        3. Vladimir_65
          Vladimir_65 3 November 2017 10: 33 New
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          Why not? They are not particularly ceremonious with ours. We are ALL for them - enemies and invaders. The answer should ALWAYS be a mirror. Especially in international relations. Then and only then will they begin to respect Russia when we stop "expressing concern" and having received on the left cheek we will respond with a hook to the right, to the jaw and to the offender.
      2. comprochikos
        comprochikos 3 November 2017 10: 54 New
        +5
        Well, yes, Ukrainians are brothers, only they, for some reason, do not know about it
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 6 November 2017 21: 18 New
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        the question of the border of the RF-Outskirts --- a trifle
        GL-- POSITION (OR POSITION IN POSE) RB and + LUKE.
        the ambiguity of Belarusians is needed BUT WITHOUT ADD MONEY.
        she is not there. till
        And we will not pay. We are waiting for further purchases by growing the business of the entire economy of Belarus. (?)
        this is not a completed version of the action, only part of the problem in Belarus (and attempts to comprehend the entire CIS policy)
    2. seti
      seti 2 November 2017 16: 24 New
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      I completely agree with the authors. Very, very sensible article. Indeed, it is time to take action, as it were, not too late.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 2 November 2017 17: 04 New
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        Quote: seti
        Really time to take action

        It's time, it's time ...
      2. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 2 November 2017 17: 52 New
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        The article is not correct, it will not work to fence off with a fence. Measures need to be taken not for all residents of Okraintsy, but for individual citizens, but for this it is necessary that the appropriate services work professionally. And ordinary people should be able to come to us, live, study and work. Believe me, this is very necessary not only to those people who, due to the gangster division of the USSR, remained on the outskirts, but also to Russia.
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        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 2 November 2017 19: 15 New
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          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          The article is not correct, it will not work to fence off with a fence. Measures need to be taken not for all residents of Okraintsy, but for individual citizens, but for this it is necessary that the appropriate services work professionally.

          To take measures for individual citizens, it is necessary to weed out these citizens at the entrance to the territory of the Russian Federation. And without a normally functioning border this will not work.
          We have already reached the point of skirmishes on the border; the border guard died. What kind of "can not be fenced off"? belay
          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          And ordinary people should be able to come to us, live, study and work.

          No problem. But just like our ordinary people eat to them - on request and with a check on the base when crossing the border.
        3. user
          user 2 November 2017 20: 22 New
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          And ordinary people should be able to come to us, live, study and work.


          Firstly, the article is not about that.
          Secondly, medicine and the social sphere, for some kind of people, who pays for what money.
          Thirdly, studies for foreign students only on a contract basis.
          In general, the article simply calls for bringing order to the border and nothing more.
        4. Vladimir_65
          Vladimir_65 3 November 2017 10: 35 New
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          For God's sake! By passport, visa and after a full check through the FSB.
        5. Tilkus75
          Tilkus75 3 November 2017 12: 15 New
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          I completely agree with you, Vasya Vassin !!! We are manipulated as they want! The two fraternal nations were divided by vile enemies! And instead of looking for ways for reunion and friendship, we are “building walls”! From each iron they shout that we are enemies for Ukrainians! And when this consciousness is finally rooted in our people, then it will not be necessary for us to claim that they too !!!
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 3 November 2017 00: 00 New
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        Quote: seti
        I completely agree with the authors. Very, very sensible article. Indeed, it is time to take action, as it were, not too late.

        So we accept. Not as fast as we would like, but still. After all, no one could have imagined that the path from the "brothers" to the "ill-doers", or even to outright enemies, is so short. Funds have already been allocated for the construction and equipment of a full-fledged border with all the inherent attributes and technical devices between the Crimea and Ukaina until 2019. When the Crimean bridge will be launched from the mainland of Russia, then the crawl from Ukrina to Crimea along traditional routes will be completely under control. A year, two - back and forth, now they don’t do weather because 25 years have been wasted and what is being done now had to be done for a long time, and not only along the border with urkaina, but in general, around the entire perimeter of Russia. Do we have a border with Kazakhstan? Also no. And who knows what this will come across to Russia when Nazarbayev leaves.
      4. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 3 November 2017 08: 49 New
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        It is time for our authorities to decide - with whom they are and where. And then they stand upright and only people fool the head. I occasionally look at these disgusting faces in the TV set and besides contempt, there are no more emotions for them.
        1. Sergey Cojocari
          Sergey Cojocari 3 November 2017 10: 36 New
          +5
          They have long been decided. And they even talk about it openly. It’s just that people are already used to believing in a just king and a good gentleman, they both look in their mouths and expect some truth from one saying, and from the second carrot for a holiday.
      5. Krasniy_lis
        Krasniy_lis 3 November 2017 12: 27 New
        +3
        At our checkpoints the same thing needs to be done. And in general, all visitors to the republic to check. On the subject of where, what, when. Personally, I know several "guardians for the food" who constantly come to Donetsk. The question is why? And why their movement is not controlled in any way. And then they are surprised at all kinds of attempts and explosions.
    3. Mikhail Zubkov
      Mikhail Zubkov 3 November 2017 11: 42 New
      +2
      In Belgorod, in the markets - almost 100% of CONSTANT counterfeit traders from Kharkov. Shuttles on Kharkov VISIT buses and minibuses - or one trades, the other shuttles across the border, in which there is a huge customs hole. As it was before, nobody smuggled the smuggling corridor from Poland through dill to us, and now it feeds not “trading networks of poor shuttles”, but gangs of ukronatsiks who took control of all cross-border channels, including information and sabotage. On the articles and haircuts of ukromuzhiks “by civilian”, DAILY bumping into Belgorod from Kharkov in their crowded buses and minibuses with BULK bags
    4. Mikhail Zubkov
      Mikhail Zubkov 3 November 2017 11: 45 New
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      In Belgorod, in the markets - almost 100% of CONSTANT counterfeit traders from Kharkov. Shuttles on Kharkov VISIT buses and minibuses - or one trades, the other shuttles across the border, in which there is a huge customs hole. As it was before, nobody smuggled the smuggling corridor from Poland through dill to us, and now it feeds not “trading networks of poor shuttles”, but gangs of ukronatsiks who took control of all cross-border channels, including information and sabotage. On the articles and haircuts of ukromuzhiks “in civilian style”, who DAILY come to Belgorod from Kharkov in their crowded buses and minibuses with VOLUME bags, take a look - it’s clear to the fool that “officers are in juice”!
      1. Ivan Petrov-Djlrby
        Ivan Petrov-Djlrby 4 November 2017 21: 11 New
        +1
        Border troops, as such, are absent. You can not seriously consider border guards as lazy warrant officers who know how to rummage through bags and pockets, and thick-assed aunts. But not poor "brothers" are coming to us. Look at Ukrainian cars traveling on the roads of the Belgorod region.
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    6. sergei1975
      sergei1975 3 November 2017 16: 01 New
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      I do not agree with the term doctor-killer, but with the term doctor- (my site does not accept words), I agree. It's just that in Ukraine, like in a madhouse, who put on the robe first is the doctor! I am a doctor myself. but believe me, that PS., ISIS., that any of the people consists of a "liver", no one has any differences. There is a problem with brains and upbringing. As a relic of the USSR, I believe that it is necessary to educate children CORRECTLY. and farming leads to oligarchy and degradation.
  2. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 2 November 2017 15: 21 New
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    What is it all about, if Putin has mercy on two Crimean Tatar extremists ... here their followers were happy and staged these explosions, they will have mercy anyway then ... and the Zaputinians will say that there is no need to feed them, like Savchenko
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 November 2017 19: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      What is it all about if Putin pardons two Crimean Tatar extremists ..

      Do you remember Nadia? wink After all, there were screams too ... and then the heroine of Ukraine turned out to be a mother-in-law hairstyle and separ.
      The current pardons are two hungry spiders in the bank of the Majlis.
    2. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 3 November 2017 12: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      and the Zaputinians will say that there is no need to feed them, like Savchenko

      and the “zaputintsy” with Savchenko turned out oh right))) It was such a funky pack of yeast in the water closet that it’s a sight for sore eyes. Still gurgling.
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    1. mult-65
      mult-65 2 November 2017 21: 23 New
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      Do not la la. When Union with the state. everything was OK abroad.
  4. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 2 November 2017 15: 56 New
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    Yes, with such "brothers" it is simply necessary to tighten control at the checkpoint at times, strengthen the border, the FMS separately monitor the entry and location of the non-brothers on the territory of the Russian Federation. It's a shame for normal Ukrainians, I agree, but why should we pay for everything? we are Russians? life is even more at stake ...
    1. 97110
      97110 2 November 2017 22: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      it’s just necessary to tighten control at the checkpoint at times

      In 2003, I crossed the border with the territory occupied by a likely enemy, on the way to Mariupol. Our (Russian) passport control robbed me of 9 (NINE!) Hours! Where else to tighten? Rotenberg should be entrusted with guarding the border. Here they’ll finish the bridge, hands will be freed. And they will, according to the mind. But the border guards and migrashki will examine each passport for 15 minutes, do you think they will see something?
      1. Shadow of darkness
        Shadow of darkness 3 November 2017 11: 17 New
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        Until 2005, he traveled to Ukraine every year through Kharkov, 30-40 minutes on the Russian side and up to 2 hours on the Ukrainian side, with document verification and periodic luggage in the luggage on the Ukrainian side after each gas conflict, and loyal attitude on the Russian side. So I don’t know what you are talking about control on the Russian border.
        1. 97110
          97110 3 November 2017 13: 34 New
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          Quote: Shadow of Darkness
          So I don’t know what you are talking about control on the Russian border.

          Well, grow up. I also went to my mother-in-law usually through the Kvashino tram, there’s no shmona, I wrote a note that such and such a citizen of the Russian Federation undertakes to take out his car, call, vartist, up to 180 (?) Days and go to the insurers' booth. If not in a change, then all opupey up to an hour. Only life is more complicated. And on it happens, and on me it happens. Passportists at the customs office in Mariupol direction offered to write a complaint against my indignation and waving with crusts. Then, they say, maybe they will increase the staff. 15 minutes spent on checking passports of 1 car. And they could have each passport.
          1. Shadow of darkness
            Shadow of darkness 3 November 2017 20: 49 New
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            Well, grow up.

            Oh well! lol It is not yet known which of us needs to grow up to whom! bully
            I also went to my mother-in-law usually through the Kvashino tram, there’s no shmona, I wrote a note that such and such a citizen of the Russian Federation undertakes to take out his car, call, vartist, up to 180 (?) Days and go to the insurers' booth. If not in a change, then all opupey up to an hour. Only life is more complicated. And on it happens, and on me it happens. Passportists at the customs office in Mariupol direction offered to write a complaint against my indignation and waving with crusts. Then, they say, maybe they will increase the staff. 15 minutes spent on checking passports of 1 car. And they could have each passport.

            I heard from the cars that the long gimp was on secondary points, I myself did not encounter it. I traveled through Kharkov by train and there I watched a completely different picture. and the passport was spoiled and the guys were landed at the Ukrainian customs. Because of these okhlamons, in 98 I had to change my passport with subsequent problems in other documents where the 97 year passport was present. From our side, they toughened travel only during terrorist attacks.
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 16: 01 New
    +8
    All right said! But it is said in VO ... Who will say this upstairs ...
    1. Slavin
      Slavin 5 November 2017 08: 47 New
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      We are waiting for the roasted rooster, as always
  6. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 16: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: bnm.99
    Now hordes of sov.co.h.o.e.r.o. and hordes of mice are rushing along with moaning about the poor and miserable Ukrainian people, over which Skomorokhov and Staver offer to scoff at the border ...

    There already seem to be no more!
  7. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 16: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: svp67
    Here the main thing is different, you just need to put things in order at the border, and for FOUR years we didn’t do it completely, e

    Sergei hi I understand it offensively, I understand it annoyingly, but for 4 years we have not done ANYTHING, from the word at all, even if we build a wall on the border, the wall will not solve all the problems, Roman correctly says:
    Hello. Where are you going? - To relatives in

    Or give on your paw and go through at least bin Laden with Yarosh in an embrace. request It’s time to eradicate this, it’s long time ago. Only it’s impossible, of course, to cut everyone and refugees and hoopoes under one comb. hi

    And nobody cuts! The author correctly voiced, normal will understand! Well, our goal is crazy!
  8. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 2 November 2017 16: 20 New
    +4
    All people are really brothers, sometimes like Cain and Abel
    the author is sorry for the Ukrainians forced to travel to Russia for shopping, the author does not know the situation well. Everything is cheaper for them and they come here to sell their products.
    who really feel sorry for it is Russian in Ukraine, they still are. There are mentally Russian Jews ....
  9. nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 November 2017 17: 04 New
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    I served on the border for 3 years. Before the Soviet regime, this place was a Cossack outpost. As they say the border should
    to be locked. A state without border troops, a state vulnerable to various machinations. See how powerful people are guarded
    of people. A tall fence with an alarm system and “cabinets” with guns. And as soon as the question arises of creating a reliable border,
    immediately excuses "no money." Three channels search for truth with deputies of Ukraine, representatives of other countries. Something
    I can’t imagine our deputies discussing on Ukrainian television. Simplicity is worse than theft.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 2 November 2017 21: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      And as soon as the question of creating a reliable border comes up, there is an immediate excuse of "no money."

      And how do they (the deputies) and not only them, in which case, flee the country? the only way - bypassing the checkpoint in a jeep ...
      1. Romey
        Romey 2 November 2017 22: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: PSih2097
        Quote: nikvic46
        And as soon as the question of creating a reliable border comes up, there is an immediate excuse of "no money."

        And how do they (the deputies) and not only them, in which case, flee the country? the only way - bypassing the checkpoint in a jeep ...

        Nah ... they have business jets for that.
  10. NordUral
    NordUral 2 November 2017 17: 12 New
    +3
    I completely agree with the author. Lathering the problem will not lead to good. Normal Ukrainians will understand, but with the Maydan there is nothing to stand on ceremony.
  11. shinobi
    shinobi 2 November 2017 17: 41 New
    +1
    I think after the election there will be an answer, where are the rogues and their patrons do not wait at all.
    1. AUL
      AUL 2 November 2017 21: 52 New
      +1
      Another HPP? laughing
      1. Shadow of darkness
        Shadow of darkness 3 November 2017 11: 27 New
        +1
        No, more likely ChPS or CRF (Bulk or Sobchak) wassat
    2. Shadow of darkness
      Shadow of darkness 3 November 2017 11: 25 New
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      Well yes! Well yes! Some kind of horse like Sobchak will come and respond with state suicide. what
  12. Andrey Dalbakheev
    Andrey Dalbakheev 2 November 2017 17: 47 New
    +7
    The article contradicts the policies of the party and government, as they once said, but corresponds to the simple common sense that everyone has been talking about for a long time. They also say that any help, gas in Genichesk, etc. helps the Ukrainian authorities to hold on, helps to rule, including organize terrorist attacks.
    1. 97110
      97110 2 November 2017 22: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Dalbacheev
      as they once said

      They used to say that "contrary to the politicianе parties and governments. "But that’s in Russian. What language do you speak?
  13. fa2998
    fa2998 2 November 2017 18: 02 New
    +7
    Quote: NIKNN
    Quote: seti
    Really time to take action

    It's time, it's time ...

    This is "time" for some, but some are vital! The city is almost on the border. Surely, do not worry! Of the rented apartments, 9 out of 10 are Ukrainians, the streets are full of cars with Ukrainian numbers, how many vacancies they took for work, and which of our co-workers took all the work migrant workers. And working in the city is bad. You can certainly feel sorry for the residents of Donbass, but as you ask, here is the whole of Ukraine, including zapadentsev. Not just control at the border, many need to be expelled !!! stop angry hi
    1. mult-65
      mult-65 2 November 2017 21: 25 New
      +2
      We in Belgorod have the same crap.
    2. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 3 November 2017 12: 38 New
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      You can certainly feel sorry for the inhabitants of Donbass, but as you ask, here is the whole of Ukraine

      I do not know. As I’m going to Rostov, the first thing I’ll do is check my registration (I haven’t received my Dnieper passport yet). Yeah, Donetsk, everything is okay. Even the luggage is not particularly viewed. And the last time the girl was traveling with me, her registration is Dnieper, but she studies in Donetsk. So she barely missed. Well I guessed to say that she was studying with us and the student was with him.
    3. 97110
      97110 3 November 2017 13: 46 New
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      Not just border control, many need to be kicked out !!!

      This is contrary to the basic law of capitalist society. The free movement of labor allows you to reduce the cost of its acquisition and increase profits. Here are the holes on the border. And if the house is blown up (in the sense of MKD) - another, then the terrorists, what to take from them? They don’t tear the cottages; there are few people there.
  14. valton
    valton 2 November 2017 18: 25 New
    +5
    The question arises, but to whom is it FAVORABLE in Russia, so that Russia would be a single, large passage yard?
    (I apologize for the tautology)
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 2 November 2017 18: 44 New
      0
      Quote: valton

      0
      valton Today, 18:25 New
      The question arises, but to whom is it FAVORABLE in Russia, so that Russia would be a single, large passage yard?
      (I apologize for the tautology)

      the meaning of the question is incomprehensible. If you use Russia as a transport route, and take money for it, it’s very good.
      1. valton
        valton 2 November 2017 22: 37 New
        +1
        I had in mind the political aspect.
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 2 November 2017 18: 56 New
    +4
    however, it’s bold, but our dear government is unlikely to hear it, and even if it does, it is unlikely that it will do anything similar ...
  16. Radikal
    Radikal 2 November 2017 19: 05 New
    +5
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: valton

    0
    valton Today, 18:25 New
    The question arises, but to whom is it FAVORABLE in Russia, so that Russia would be a single, large passage yard?
    (I apologize for the tautology)

    the meaning of the question is incomprehensible. If you use Russia as a transport route, and take money for it, it’s very good.

    Quite the contrary - the meaning is very clear, although it sounds purely rhetorical .... The answer is probably such, somewhat paradoxical - beneficial to those on whom the solution to this problem depends! wassat
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 2 November 2017 20: 12 New
      +3
      Everyone in our country understands that our device is wrong, that life must be changed, and do everything right. However, on a personal level, everyone acts as Favorably. Moreover, the psychological background of consumerism has this in mind. The total result is that of general insanity leading to general impoverishment, dullness, lower living standards and loss of perspective in life.
  17. Aspid 57
    Aspid 57 2 November 2017 19: 20 New
    +5
    Good article! Rarely come across such, unfortunately!
  18. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 2 November 2017 20: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: svp67
    but we need these migrants.

    Who is this "us"? Addresses and appearances please ... with the instructions of the SBU.
    Personally, these migrants DO NOT NEED me. And I don’t smile at paying for their sweet life from my pocket.
    Here is Gref, to work in the Russian Crimea is bad for him, and in Bandera - with great pleasure. So let him pay.
    They may say that Sberbank is afraid of sanctions "or rather Grekhf is personally afraid of it." But if you are afraid to work in Crimea with Russian people - what the hell are you working with the Nazis? Are you afraid of sanctions from Russian people?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 2 November 2017 21: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: kunstkammer
      Are you afraid of sanctions from Russian people?

      And he has two passports, he figs, he will have to dump the ancestors home, or somewhere else on the same passport.
      1. Radikal
        Radikal 2 November 2017 21: 54 New
        0
        Why are you all clinging to the "poor" Gref - is he the most important in Russia ...?! wassat
      2. AUL
        AUL 2 November 2017 22: 25 New
        +2
        The homeland of Gref's ancestors is Germany. He is from the Volga region. But this is so, by the way ... Ghoul is not a nationality, but a belief.
  19. polpot
    polpot 2 November 2017 20: 37 New
    +1
    One can agree with the author a lot, but there is one question: how is intelligence work done by the special services with the Crimean population, how are agents of the neighboring side identified, how are the people treated by pro-Ukrainian figures and sabotage, citizens should help counterintelligence agencies and the police, and apparently they don’t a lot of .
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 November 2017 07: 32 New
      0
      Normally, everything is in terms of popular support. There is another problem. Radicals, especially from among certain people, are quite closed. A sort of national clans. therefore, they "pull out the tentacles, but it is difficult to reach the head. By the way, in my opinion, this is one of the explanations of our kindness, who released a couple of detainees to Turkey ...
  20. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 November 2017 20: 45 New
    +3
    I fully support the spirit and letter of what Roman and Alexander wrote ....
    The people of Russia are experiencing an increase in terrorist activity and extremism. For the sake of the "investment climate", the preservation of international relations, the leadership of the Russian Federation does not consider a "tough response". Unfortunately, the political interests of Russia for its leadership do not have a high price. More than 2000 years ago, Yugurta left Rome and uttered a famous phrase ....... Now these words are more about Moscow.
  21. uizik
    uizik 2 November 2017 20: 47 New
    +1
    All right!
  22. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 2 November 2017 20: 50 New
    +8
    Well, what can I say? .. Public opinion has long been ready for a radical tightening of measures on the border with Ukraine, especially on the border with Crimea, but the leadership is playing nobility. What are you going to do here? ..
  23. Oldish
    Oldish 2 November 2017 21: 01 New
    +8
    The topic is actually not simple. Personally, when the Ukrainian authorities raised a gevolt about the introduction of visas with Russia, I thought so, let them introduce it. And let Russia mirror visas for Ukrainians too. In this case, on the second day I will be at the Russian consulate with a thick bundle of invitations. There will be an invitation from Sevastopol and Omsk from friends, from Bakhchisarai, Voronezh, Belgorod and Moscow from colleagues, from Kaliningrad and Vladivostok from colleagues, from Tver from my godson and brother, and these are only those in whom I am 100% sure. I will get a visa and the problem for me will be solved for five or ten years. And let “myzdobuly” sit in the country and build the future that they are “chosen”. But! What confuses me is that Kiev is exactly what it wants, to finally tear Ukraine away from Russia. Is it worth it to help them? You can’t imagine the level of local propaganda. If you just interrupt communication and do not carry out counter-propaganda, moreover, on the territory of Ukraine, then very soon Russia can get what it fought in Syria. Namely, a terrorist state is at hand. And counter-propaganda can now only be conducted in private conversations in the kitchens and in lines. Ru TV - prohibited, social networks - prohibited, Russian chanson on the radio, and he fell under quotas. And if you stop or sharply restrict the movement of people across the border, then nothing will stop this government from raising a generation of wolf believers that their holy mission is a war with Russia. Well, gentlemen, you should not sit idle either. Do you know about atoshnik or maydaun in Russia? Do not spam classmates will not help. They caught a friend of the FSB officer and asked him a question. Where are you looking? Or not a friend. If at least 10% of those who like these indignant posts go to the police, to the border guards, to the FSB with statements, then these figures will instantly be at least at their native land. There are no simple solutions, but most problems can be solved.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 2 November 2017 21: 30 New
      +8
      I agree with you. I am visited by similar thoughts, but! All patience has an end. And if a person finely mischiefs endlessly, that’s enough, and if a person starts harming you in your house ... You don’t have to be sad. Then it’s time to give in the face.
    2. Romey
      Romey 2 November 2017 21: 57 New
      +5
      I will answer you as a border guard officer in reserve. Even if it will be Bandera himself, who came from the next world, no one can detain him without official reason. Of course, you can lime it to white heat with all small things like a personal search, but that's all, because it will not be in the databases. In contrast to the facts, when one or another LDNRovets is detained at the border, who has problems with his documents and deported to Kiev, we have a court decision (of the Russian Federation !!!!) about his deportation to his “homeland”. Personally, of course, I would take the risk of misconduct and let go of it, but believe the people today to risk a career for the sake of the idea there is not much. And most importantly, I remind you that the Kiev regime has long been not a junta, but the official partner of the Russian Federation, that Poroshenko has long been not a pedro, but Petr Alekseevich, he is the best choice of Ukraine, which was repeatedly expressed by the President of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other figures, and therefore there is no reason send to the penises of the maydauns. Well, unless it is written on his forehead that he is from the right sector. But if they appear in the appropriate bases, then another thing, but this is already a matter of state policy in relation to the “suddenly” emerging serious threat from the southwest.
      1. Oldish
        Oldish 2 November 2017 22: 28 New
        +4
        What are we talking about. In order for a person to appear in the bases, he must be brought in by an official. And the official, as you know, is a proud bird - until you kick, he will not fly. And you need to kick it not through forums and social networks, or not only through them. And including and by simple statements to which they are required to give a written response. And this can already make me move because if he (the official) today gave a formal reply, and tomorrow the one whom they wrote to got on the Skoda, then it’s quite possible to blame the people for inaction. In the Union it was all called an active life position.
        1. Romey
          Romey 2 November 2017 22: 37 New
          +1
          I emphasize that the problem is not in individual bureaucrats, but in state security policy. In general, what can we say if our Bandera propaganda is openly conducted on TV at all kinds of talk shows ala Shapiro, under the guise of "objectivity"? Or remember how they detained Tsymbalyuk, the famous journalist-bander, in Moscow, when the “Kalinka” itself sent SMS to him, they say, Roma, hold on. help is coming ... And there will be thunder, and what. Plentier than bearded.
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 3 November 2017 20: 57 New
            +1
            I will probably join your opinion. And something my car freezes ..
  24. Sonet
    Sonet 2 November 2017 22: 08 New
    +6
    Putin's Russia is struggling to pretend that Ukraine is home to its Slav brothers. It is getting worse and worse and Nazi columns marching through the streets of our native Kiev.
    1. Vdi73
      Vdi73 3 November 2017 05: 18 New
      +4
      It’s not Putin's fault, the roots of humpback and ebn plus state crops, but now we get what came up ...
  25. sauvage
    sauvage 2 November 2017 23: 10 New
    10
    The problem is solved simply - the introduction of visas. And then the game goes in one gate. Putin has too long dragged on a game of mercy.
  26. Meshchersky
    Meshchersky 2 November 2017 23: 41 New
    +6
    Fenced off? It will not work to fence off. It is necessary to bear to hell with dog Kiev hebr. And put another government. Not to occupy, but to overthrow!
    1. iouris
      iouris 2 November 2017 23: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Meshchersky
      Not to occupy, but to overthrow!

      Nowadays it's called buy.
  27. ando_bor
    ando_bor 2 November 2017 23: 47 New
    0
    They achieve all this.
  28. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 3 November 2017 02: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: sauvage
    Putin too tightened

    he has been trying for a long time not to do anything ... even in words, like an obese cat Leopold: Again these mice shit on my head - let's partners live together!
  29. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 3 November 2017 02: 49 New
    +1
    Dak fsbshniki on gedelvagenami cut. They once do such nonsense .. to catch saboteurs. Pf .. And the government .. Putin ... not .. Russia is a generous soul.
  30. Vdi73
    Vdi73 3 November 2017 05: 06 New
    +1
    I partially agree with the author, but measures against ATOshniks and banderlogs should be tougher, they let him into the bracelets and interrogation in the Russian Federation, and then, according to the circumstances, either back to his homeland, or to the jail, or give LDN. But first you need full borders, and do not walk around the field and databases throughout the mrazat.
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 November 2017 07: 29 New
      +2
      What legal grounds do we have to arrest atoshnikov? What they served in the MAT? Another thing is if they have a case in our prosecutor's office as if they were war criminals. The case of LDNR not a ride. We have not legally recognized them ...
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2017 10: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Vdi73
      let in the Russian Federation

      and on a fig to let them in?
  31. Vasily Shlykov
    Vasily Shlykov 3 November 2017 08: 42 New
    0
    they are not brothers to us
  32. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2017 10: 03 New
    +2
    it's time to introduce a visa regime and tight border control
    why should we care about the problems of the work of ukrov, they are satisfied with their Nazi power so let them communicate with them at home and ALL
  33. vladimirw
    vladimirw 3 November 2017 10: 09 New
    +4
    totally agree. and the fact that citizens ruins work in the Russian Federation and take out money with impunity from here is also not an ice.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2017 10: 12 New
      +1
      tax 50%
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2017 10: 13 New
        +1
        By the way, if they transferred money to me because of a cardon, then when I withdraw, I pay not a feeble percentage to the bank, but here such a freebie
        we either “gas” the freebies for free, or we borrow some garbage, and ours both in the tail and in the mane
  34. Fedor WOTP
    Fedor WOTP 3 November 2017 10: 12 New
    +1
    That's right ... You need to completely close the border with the semi-African monkey Hohland ... Stop showing loyalty and liberalism ....
  35. loaln
    loaln 3 November 2017 10: 19 New
    +1
    The reaction to action from the outside does not depend on moral principles, but exclusively on mercantile ones. Otherwise, in nature you will not survive, especially in human society.
    The human reaction depends on who the person or group of people is in the society. Whose interests does she defend. And, if verbal husk is the main one for the group representing the interests of the majority, then its mercantile interests, in this case, prevail and strongly depend on stable relations with the acting group.
    That is, why chop the branch, on which you do "grandmother" do?
  36. boboss
    boboss 3 November 2017 10: 22 New
    +1
    that is not .... too early .... A couple of emergency ..... then you can think
    1. staviator
      staviator 3 November 2017 11: 52 New
      0
      Quote: boboss
      that is not .... too early .... A couple of emergency ..... then you can think

      Yes, not a state of emergency but terrorist attacks (pah-pah). That's when the blood spills then they start to move.
  37. ioann1
    ioann1 3 November 2017 10: 32 New
    +3
    An article in the style of Satan's, nightingale litter ... on our part and in the style of Gordon, Groisman - from them. What, authors, did the people of Ukraine get you so much for? One black paint and on the face. This style is clear, divide and conquer!
    Here, for example, your paragraph, for more I have neither time nor desire, and so everything is clear: “The fact that today in Russian cities there are a lot of Ukrainian refugees is a fact. As a fact, and for some reason, most of these refugees not really eager for work in factories. It is not worth the turn of Ukrainian experts at the gates of these enterprises. But they live on some money. The body needs to be fed, watered, clothed, and shoeed. Yes, and you have to pay for the apartment. Maybe it’s worth checking the income of these refugees? "Well, I’d like to object to this with this. Can I check with the authors in which cities of Russia and at what enterprises require labor, it doesn’t matter, qualified or so? Ask yourself how the Russians survive in Russia, when enterprises continue to close ... The only thing that can give "factories and factories" the opportunity to work today is their possible (!) cooperation not even with defense enterprises, where the Ministry of Finance is cutting funding, but with oil and gas, and even that , today this idea is likely to fail. Here explain, the authors, what factories and plants in Russia are waiting for workers? Very interesting! Seriously, no kidding.

    I can say for sure that, for example, pros, from the Donbass, fortunately, work at the same plant in the Moscow Region. Fortunately for us, because we have qualified personnel, oh, how hard it is. Thanks to such a policy, our economy has evolved from productive to trade. With such a financial policy, the Central Bank and others can only engage in trade, but today enterprises that do not have a production modernization plan in their program leave suppliers of equipment and spare parts out of work.
    But in the banking sector there were trillion profits, and now ...
    The expenses of the federal budget for the 2018 World Cup were increased by 35 billion rubles to 390 billion. We spend 87 billion on culture, 72 housing and communal services, environmental protection - 63 ... And to save the "friendly" Central Bank, the Otkrytie bank, 1 trillion 300 billion was lost!
    Here, such an analytics.
  38. Shadow of darkness
    Shadow of darkness 3 November 2017 11: 03 New
    +2
    It was necessary to introduce a control system for people entering and leaving Ukraine back in 2014, so that it already works. In general, the GDP in relation to Ukraine has made many mistakes and they will have to be raked for another 20 years at least. It seems that our leadership decided to climb a pine tree and not peel off. We catch up all the time, instead of working in anticipation.
  39. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 3 November 2017 11: 07 New
    +1
    They allowed mockery of the flag and the embassy in Kiev, received searches in the US diplomatic mission and the removal of the flag of the Russian Federation. What about us?
  40. staviator
    staviator 3 November 2017 11: 49 New
    0
    It is necessary to start with the FMS cleaning. They cover illegal immigrants to the fullest, they live in a house of 20 people. What they do is incomprehensible. There were checks, and that they gave grandmothers and live quietly further. The head of the FMS is on their paycheck. I am for a visa regime with two hands , how many jobs will be added to our guys builders. Building companies are lousy at the end of the normal salary of figs where they pay, and why? The "brothers" will come and work for nothing, they just ..... not to go home. Patriots are their mother. Yes and our girls will increase their work.
  41. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 3 November 2017 12: 06 New
    +6
    It seems that the script of our policy with the ukronatsiks is written by the scriptwriter S. Govorukhin, who is interested in the process of writing, with a wise-pointing pipe in his hand, and not the reality of the military-political confrontation with ukronazism and enemy intelligence services, in which the Russian Federation in fact is 3 years already. Our power is becoming more and more blind from the smoke of pipe conclusions. TV shows on ukrotems turn our people away from television in general - so disgusting! We thereby betray ourselves, and the Donbass, and the Crimea! We need an active fight, and not adjustment to the enemies - arrogant Saxons, arrogant and Natsik, coupled with traitors-liberals. In short - disgusting to watch!
    1. staviator
      staviator 3 November 2017 12: 15 New
      +1
      Well Kovtun on e..face received, already happy.
      [media = http: // https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = b5Q
      wxfLX73k] laughing good
  42. Maxim Berezovsky
    Maxim Berezovsky 3 November 2017 12: 39 New
    0
    They all like going to work like a brother and Muscovites at home ... e and their own can’t get a job, plus the right of the defenders of their diaspora to drive everyone home
  43. Black sniper
    Black sniper 3 November 2017 13: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    What legal grounds do we have to arrest atoshnikov? What they served in the MAT? Another thing is if they have a case in our prosecutor's office as if they were war criminals. The case of LDNR not a ride. We have not legally recognized them ...

    No need to mess around with the killer bandits! ATO this is remembered for the murder of Novorossi’s fighters and volunteers fighting against fascism (banned by the way, by the way), first of all, the unpunished murder of civilians of LDNR, and this is the most serious criminal offense! ATOshnikov needs to be caught everywhere and sent to LDNR, and there 100% shoot! The whole world needs to destroy this scum like ISIS!
    1. domokl
      domokl 3 November 2017 15: 04 New
      +1
      Emotions ... And legally it is zero point and the same tenth. All normal men served somewhere. Gave a debt to the motherland, if you like. Or you can substitute your own decision? The man was drafted into the state army. The one he took the oath of.
      What did he break? What is the law? Any of the attorneys will quite consciously say that he fought against the enemies of the state and, as a citizen, is not under a jurisdiction.
      We can detain either those to whom the case is filed in Russia, or those who belong to terrorist organizations under our law. By your logic, you can agree to the point that both the mother of a soldier is an enemy and we are an wife and children ... I am not against radicalism, but not to the same degree ..
      And about fascism ... Who legally recognized the Poroshenko regime as fascist ?.
      1. serega61
        serega61 4 November 2017 10: 39 New
        +1
        It is not necessary to knit AToshnikov at the border, you can simply not let them go.
  44. iouris
    iouris 3 November 2017 14: 48 New
    0
    There is only one measure - to prevent the pro-American regime from coming to power. Late to drink Borjomi.
  45. Donch4ak
    Donch4ak 3 November 2017 14: 51 New
    +1
    If now someone tells me that such work is underway, I would advise you to watch any Ukrainian social network. Even those who participated in the events in Odessa, quietly come to Moscow, St. Petersburg, to any city in Russia. And the photo spread. Not to mention the participants of the ATO from the punitive battalions.
    Yes, it’s just that no one needs to track and catch
  46. peace
    peace 3 November 2017 15: 08 New
    +1
    100% agree. For a long time it was already necessary to demand a passport and strengthen the border. The people chose the power that is. And she fulfills the request. In Ukrainians, envy and hatred of Russians lived for centuries. Not to the state in which many nationalities live, but to the Russians. But our authorities just do not care ...
    1. Bobrovsky
      Bobrovsky 5 November 2017 08: 53 New
      0
      Mira, I agree with you. I work in a military unit, in the brigade two Ukrainians. And only they are the smartest, they know everything and would manage everything. But in terms of development they are quite gray, though they are tricky in everyday terms. In the same room are two storekeepers, friends, friends for a long time. One Jewess, very clever, and another Khokhlushka. I’m talking with a Jewish woman who has been living in Ukraine for a long time and she says - yes they hate us Russians, even here we sit friends across the table, but I see that there is a feeling of national superiority in her. I went to the army in the late sixties. My father stayed in the army from February 1943 to February 1950, the sergeants of the 1925-26s were kept in the army for seven years. Almost an overdue with good experience. Before leaving for the military registration and enlistment office, he told me - what do you wish for? He stood, thought and betrayed - I wish you the foreman crest did not come across. I said thanks, I realized that it was important, but I didn’t know how important it was. I came to the glorious city of Pavlograd and the foreman we had was a Moldavian, calm and dignified man, God give him health, if alive. Everything was according to the charter, but without unnecessary nitpicking. And in other companies, the elders were Ukrainians and the soldiers hated them for petty quibbles and for their swagger. Then it dawned on me what a crest is in power. And then in life more than once met with Ukrainians. There are Ukrainians, that is, people born on this territory and there are Ukrainians and these are different people. Crest for his success, his mother will not regret. About Zapadentsev I generally am silent, a separate nation, stupid and stubborn.
      Here many people write about how these brothers should be helped and treated softer. Oh well. They have nothing to do here, let them go to Europe and earn Eurodollars there.
  47. Patriot 771
    Patriot 771 3 November 2017 15: 28 New
    +3
    An article at the time and in the topic. Observation of the last week in Sevastopol - do we have again the holiday season for Ukrainians ?? !! (I’m sorry, but I will write just like that. For me, Ukraine ended not in the 14th year, but much earlier.) So, without embellishment and fear - in the city there is an invasion of auto-launchers. Moreover, from all areas of the 404th. Maybe I don’t know something? I do not like all this, and here is Alushta with gas and electricity. We are all too busy making that fucking money again. Aw, look back !!! Enemy at the gates and not only, but again in the yard.
  48. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 3 November 2017 15: 29 New
    +2
    add my five drops to a glass. after the events of 14 years, my relatives forced me to break off all ties with Ukraine, saying that we now have to rebuild the brightest future, and in general I owe them a coffin for life and the fact that I’m a quilted jacket and colorado! and after that consider this nation fraternal ?! Yes, for God's sake, show me at least one adequate and honest Ukrainians and I myself admit that I am ... and about the preparation of people entering Russia, only the lazy did not talk about this. I think that our oil tycoons are very profitable influx of workers-zapadentsev: they do not have voting rights, but only ours begin to speak very much - so immediately at their door, and in their place zapadentsev.
  49. Black sniper
    Black sniper 3 November 2017 16: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    A man was drafted into the army of the state. The one to whom he took the oath.
    What did he break? What is the law? Any of the attorneys will quite consciously say that he fought against the enemies of the state and, as a citizen, is not under a jurisdiction.

    The Nazis also swore an oath, and then they burned villages with women and children! How ATOshniki differ from them? And do not confuse enemies with the defenders of their native land, not Novorossiysk came to Kiev to kill children and women with the elderly, hospitals, schools, kindergartens, bombing houses from howitzers and hailstones
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 3 November 2017 16: 57 New
      +2
      The Nazis were tried and the ATO officers needed, because they are fascists of the 21st century. And the fact that they were not recognized by the fascists does not make them non-fascists. The reason why they were not recognized by the Nazis is that you know and understand very well without me.
    2. Black sniper
      Black sniper 3 November 2017 17: 22 New
      +2
      All these atrocities in the Donbass were committed and are being committed by ATOshniki (fascists), and not by the brave fighters of Novorossia, who every day, every minute risking their lives and the lives of relatives located on the territory of the “Square”, are fighting the 21st-century plague - FASCISM OF UKRAINIAN TOLK !!!
      1. domokl
        domokl 4 November 2017 07: 42 New
        0
        Judged by war criminals. But the Wehrmacht soldiers were not convicted ... Do not distort.
        And about the atrocities ... Civil war is different in that such actions on both sides were, are and will be. This is reality. As we had a hundred years ago.
  50. assa67
    assa67 3 November 2017 17: 50 New
    +7
    the question is long overdue .... both about databases and across the border .. my colleague is from Lviv, has already been living in Russia for 20 years, citizenship, everything is as it should be. last year his father died .. thought and wondered, decided to go .. our missed without problems, slowed down at the dill .. some good acquaintance came across, says: they struck you at the bases, you are a deserter, separ .. I don’t advise to go further to the customs, right after 150 meters there are right-wingers, you’ll disappear .... so and he didn’t say goodbye to his father ...... and from that side the flow is on, and not everyone is eager to work. Returning to the open, they tell where, how many forests burned, whom they robbed ...