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Sergey Chernyakhovsky: Creating a monument to "victims of political repression" is a controversial idea

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If someone believed that the monument to the “victims of political repression” would serve to establish consensus in the society, he is not well aware of the real state of affairs.


Creating a monument to the victims of political repression is in itself a politically controversial undertaking.

And because the victims were different - and who was guilty, and who is innocent - the question is more than unexplained and separate.

And because not all of society wants to condemn repression as such.

And because although the death of innocents would be strange not to condemn, in the current historical and national context, the pattern “condemnation of political repression” is in fact a euphemism of the pattern “condemnation of the Soviet period.” Although formally this is not true.

Sergey Chernyakhovsky: Creating a monument to "victims of political repression" is a controversial idea

The opening ceremony of the memorial to the victims of political repression "The Wall of Sorrow". Photo from kremlin.ru

That is, a monument of this kind is a definite formal victory of one political force over another political force. Moreover, the first force in society has the support of 10-20%, the second - from 35 to 60%.

The first imposed its will on the second, that is, the minority imposed its will on the majority. Already, even purely formally, clearly authoritarian and anti-democratic. Now he will have to wait for an answer - he may be earlier, maybe later, maybe softer, maybe tougher - but he will.

The first group imposed its will not only the second - the whole country, which this undertaking was absolutely not fascinated. And she imposed it not at the expense of her authority, but at the expense of supporting the authorities, who this time openly sided with the obvious minority against a clear majority.

This undertaking is anti-democratic - but it is also dangerous for the country. If someone believed that the construction of such a memorial would serve as a statement of consent in the country and society - he is clearly ill-imagined about the real state of affairs. Because this memorial confirms the position of one side - and rejects the position of the other.

The naive assertions that “in what, in what, but everybody agrees in condemning Stalin’s repressions” are more than naive. Even this is not true, although, of course, political repressions are condemned by a significantly larger number of people than those who condemn Stalin: 8% are fully ready to accept his criminal, partially 18%. The rest one way or another do not support this statement.

One minority, 39%, believes that "repression is a crime and cannot be justified by anything." Another minority, 25%, believes that it was a state necessity and can be justified.

From this point of view, Putin, having arrived at the opening of the “memorial to the victims” and said literally: “This terrible past cannot be erased from the national memory and, all the more, it cannot be justified by any higher so-called benefits of the people .... There can be no justification for these crimes. Political repressions have become a tragedy for our entire people, for the whole of society, a cruel blow to our people, their roots, culture, and self-consciousness. The consequences we feel so far. Our duty is to prevent oblivion. The memory itself, the clarity and unambiguity of the position, assessments in relation to these dark events serve as a powerful warning against their repetition, ”he stated in solidarity with the majority. And pushed away from himself only a minority.

According to this year’s Levadov data, the number of those who justify repressions is 25%. No Excuses - 39%.

Only, firstly, on the eve of the presidential election, it was better not to do it - and at least to keep a distance, stand over the fight. Of course, he will win the election anyway - but the question is not that today. The question is in the conditions of confrontation with arrogant and aggressive geopolitical competitors to demonstrate the maximum unity of the country and the maximum support for it as a national leader.

If one of those 25%, which he pushed away from himself, at least half of them simply do not come to the elections, this will already prove a heavy blow to their political effectiveness. And if they don’t come to the elections, it will mean that it’s not the hesitant who didn’t come, but his supporters.

Putin tried, as it were, to soften this “blow to his own ones”, saying in the end: “Yes, we and our descendants should remember the tragedy of repression, the reasons that gave rise to them. But this does not mean to call for a note of accounts. You can not push society to the dangerous confrontation line again. Now it is important for all of us to rely on the values ​​of trust and stability. Only on this basis can we solve the tasks facing the society and the country, Russia, which we have one. ”

Only by saying absolutely correct words about the inadmissibility of confrontation, the value of trust and stability - he himself struck a blow at these beginnings, pushing society towards a new confrontation.

The line is not made. And if failed - it is not the finish, but a new starting one. Instead of closing the old standoff, Putin unwittingly gave a signal to the new. His words, said at the opening of the memorial, will not become a consensus public opinion: one part of society will not agree with the fact that it is necessary to “forgive”, the other - that it is necessary to “condemn”.

Some, intoxicated by the support they received in words of condemnation, will declare that it is impossible to forgive. Others, offended by the same words, will not be satisfied with a declaration of forgiveness - and will demand satisfaction for an insult. The fight will flare up again.

And who is actually the majority here, and who is a minority, this is a separate question.

Here are the numbers in the dynamics:


The number justifying the repression - 25%. No Excuses - 39%.

The first one and a half times less than the second - but a quarter of the population, "calling for repression" - is more than solid.

However, more is important. For ten years, the number of “acquitted" has almost tripled - from 9%. During the same time, the number of condemning ones fell almost twice.

Putin extended his hand to those who are getting smaller, and pushed those who are getting bigger. And this is a mistake. Although the mistake of a talented and popular politician.

But in general there is already another question: why is not more and more those who positively assess Stalin, but those who do not want to condemn repression.

And here there are two answers:

First - just society is tired of the impunity of real criminals - from economic to political. It is immoral to talk about the condemnation of Stalin, not condemning Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And they have no moral right to condemn 30-40, those who are guilty of the tragedy of “perestroika” and “reforms of 90”, as well as those who did not directly and publicly recognize the destruction of the USSR and the policy of 90.

Second. In a society in the period of information terror of the end of 80-90-ies. the perception of the word “repression” was imposed as an analogue of the words “punishment of the innocent”.

But “repression” as a concept is “reciprocal suppression”. The political repression carried out by the state is only its essential and obligatory function: the suppression of resistance to its policy. Implementation of repression is the responsibility of the state.

This does not mean the suppression of the opposition - as long as the latter remains the opposition, rather than becoming a force seeking to destroy this socio-political system.

Where the state refuses to perform its repressive functions, where it ceases to suppress its opponents, it ceases to exist. A politician's refusal of repression is already a crime, because, as can be seen from the example of Yanukovych and Gorbachev, this refusal leads to the death of hundreds of thousands and millions of people. The state, strictly speaking, is necessary in order to carry out repression.

And that is why the topic of “condemnation of repression” is so important. For those who put the task of the destruction of a state.

The theme of “condemnation of Stalinist repression” was raised at the end of the 80s. precisely in order to deprive the immune systems of a state of will, to deprive it of its ability to protect the country and society.

Formally, condemning repressions appeal to the tragedy of the death of the innocent - and condemn them. In fact, they paralyze the ability of a country and a state to protect itself. They deprive the state of the ability to remove from its path groups opposing national interests. Deprive the majority of the country to protect their interests.

Many will disagree, but if a country (any country) wants to develop further and be protected from the pressure of external geopolitical forces, it must recognize a simple and natural thing: repression is the responsibility of the state and the elite, refusal of repression and condemnation of repression is a crime before people and the state.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 2 November 2017 15: 16
    +6
    And because the victims were different - and who was guilty, and who is innocent - the question is more than unexplained and separate.
    Because someone rehabilitated, and someone does not ...
    In general, this is primarily a monument to people who died at one of the stages of the CIVIL WAR, and that means this is also our people.
    1. venaya
      venaya 2 November 2017 15: 28
      20
      Quote: svp67
      this is primarily a monument to people who died at one of the stages of the CIVIL WAR, and it means that this is also our people.

      This is what happens: those who defeated our country are also “our people”. I do not agree! It is by no means permissible to rehabilitate the enemies of the country, such mistakes cost us too much, that is, tens of millions of inhabitants and the defeat of the prom. the country's potential, comparable only to losses in WWII, and even more.
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 November 2017 15: 30
        +5
        Quote: venaya
        This is what happens: those who defeated our country are also “our people”. Disagree

        Your business...
        Quote: venaya
        In no case is it permissible to rehabilitate the country's enemies

        "Enemies of the people", "enemies of the country" .... and who decides who is who? And are you not afraid to suddenly be among them?
        1. venaya
          venaya 2 November 2017 16: 10
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          "Enemies of the people", "enemies of the country" .... and who decides who is who? And do not be afraid Suddenly ..

          So, even here on the site of many people without glasses you can see: Who is who. And what can we say about the widely consecrated, open (not like now) court, in the presence of even foreign experts and journalists. This issue needs to be carefully and closely considered, today's examples of stingless lynching are certainly not worth applying, this is clear. And when a person’s conscience is clear, then in this case he’s not afraid of anything. So, that's exactly what my father taught me, for which I am grateful to him. And fear is a sign or not self-confidence, or, even worse, indeed some form of transaction with at least one’s own conscience.
          1. Captain Nemo
            Captain Nemo 2 November 2017 21: 51
            +4
            Pralo! “Bodies” cannot be mistaken! —So many of those who silently approved the arrests and then followed the path of the previously arrested said so. The documents did not convey to us whether they shouted the same thing during interrogations, or, “Glory to Stalin!” When they put them against the wall
            1. venaya
              venaya 2 November 2017 23: 07
              +6
              Quote: Captain Nemo
              .. "Organs" can't be wrong! ..

              Come on, remind me: Who created these bodies? As far as I understand, Lenin did not have an approach to this matter at first, L.D. Trotsky (Bronstein) was specially sent to Russia along with the 275th inveterate New York gansters so that he would follow A. Kerensky (so that he would not confuse tranches from New York, $ 400 million, with its own pocket). Did Stalin have his own personal NKVD, or were these still students of the same gansters? As I understand it, in 1939, L.P. Beria canceled all executions, with the exception of executions of officers of the NKVD investigative department, who were saturated with people from the outright Trotskyist Yagoda. He shot these comrades Beria. Maybe someone is not fair. By the way, take a closer look, only in the 37-38th years the country's population increased by 6 (six) million people, and in the 90s it disappeared from the face there are already tens of millions of lands, and how are you doing with arithmetic? I hope that I answered your unreasonable claims, which country went to Stalin, and he raised which NKVD he got, then L.P. Beria cleaned up, maybe not perfect Maybe you are an idealist, or you just tried to drive away hutspu, but the site is military, not for little boys, keep in mind.
            2. 34 region
              34 region 3 November 2017 01: 49
              +7
              21.51. Captain! In those years, active anti-Soviet activity was conducted. And no worse than now anti-Russian. And this activity was funded from abroad. There were ideological opponents (well, as ideological Igilovites are today). There were moles and coalitions of opponents. And the fact that it was just that, even the beginning of the war says. June 22 was greeted weakly (not all of course). Whose fault was it? Stalin? Stalin was just preparing for war. But every opposition was preparing for war differently. The opposition was preparing to surrender the country and join the global economy, which it successfully did in the 90s. Talking about the unity of opinion in the presence of one party is also not necessary. The party was one, but there were many opinions (clans). The coming to power of Khrushchev confirms the presence of clans in the party. Moving to the top, Khrushchev at the time cleaned up his competitors quite well. But Stalin was to blame! And they promoted and put their people in the right places. And who reported to whom and who arrested whom? Those who cry today about the innocently repressed. There were illegal arrests. But who organized them? Those whom later (and even not all) were arrested. Would you arrest your relative? It’s enough to watch our TV shows as relatives are fighting among themselves. And the arrest of a relative can very much be the work of another relative. Today, when they pay compensation for the repressed, of course you can yell about kindred feelings (why not shout for money then!). And if you read the materials of the criminal case?
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 2 November 2017 17: 09
          +2
          I repeated this comment many times, but there’s nothing to add and it’s impossible to fix it in a past life _________

          March 23, 1989 the first elections were held for the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR.
          Father says: you need to ask your grandfather about repression.
          - He's not the boss in appearance.
          - Grandfather served in the prosecutor's office.
          And the grandfather had his 28th birthday. We arrived, presented shoes, sat down at the table. grandfather drank a stack over his 80th birthday ("the head will make a noise anyway").
          I remind my father: you need to ask about repression.
          Father asks the question "Have you participated?"
          -not
          -And who, how, when. why?
          - This is who wanted to curry favor.
          And he went to drink the pill "from the head."
          The pig will find dirt. and what did the man seek, how did he live ?.
          In 2015, I asked my aunt, 1933: what was said about my grandfather?
          - Nothing bad, but my childhood friend Kolya (her husband) was taken away from his father, the chairman of the collective farm, and no one knows where.
          These are the pies with kittens for Memorial.
          Who wanted to build socialism, built, who wanted to hang-hang, drown kittens, drowned and strangled (according to Bulgakov).
          I believe that the contradictions from the 19th century that have come to us (and that led to the three revolutions, we have not overcome for 50-70 years, but for 30-40 years.
          Can these terms be called an achievement?
          He served as a tank driver in Rybnitsy 4 g. (Father was born in Balta) Wanted to stay on extra urgent.
          "Grandfather in December 36 was demobilized from the Red Army, went to work for the Markov peat enterprise
          , and in January 37, according to the party recruitment, they were called to the prosecutor’s office ”
        3. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 3 November 2017 00: 08
          +9
          Quote: svp67
          "Enemies of the people", "enemies of the country" .... and who decides who is who? And are you not afraid to suddenly be among them?

          The civilian part of the officers went over to the side of the Bolsheviks and fought for the Fatherland in spite of the changed system, although not all of this system was accepted.
          The rest went over to the Entente invaders (occupiers, if you speak Russian), including the existing enemies of the former tsarist Russia - the Germans who occupied Ukraine and also fought for Russia. It’s only for whose, if the tsar was overthrown by the officers themselves at the time of World War I, which was not at all suitable for the stability of the Russian Empire.
          So which of these groups according to your moral code is a patriot of the Fatherland, and who is the enemy of this Fatherland? Those who remained to defend the Red one, but the Homeland, or those who came under foreign banners and wanted to make many Homelands, so that each gentleman had his own?
          So what they wanted then, we saw in 91. Now everyone (Rodin) has their own. The dream of the white movement came true. Has yours come true?
          We now have a policy of "washing", like all Russians are brothers, there are no enemies, and repression cannot be justified. But is it? Isn’t that the same thing Putin began to do in the 2000’s, in order to prevent the collapse of the remnants of the country, leading the “princes” of the princes when almost every land already had its own “currency”? Yes, the Gulag was not with him, well, so the time is different and the methods correspond to this time. At the same time, the current "human rights activists" are not yelling about the violation of all conceivable human rights, a la the second 37. Therefore, I personally am against this monument to the victory of liberalism in the Russian Federation. This is bad. Those who were illegally repressed are acquitted and rehabilitated by law, the rest are not, but the Wall of Sorrow is obtained for everyone? And we must repent and make peace with those who from one common Motherland made many private ones, fulfilling the dream of the “white” movement?
          1. MrK
            MrK 3 November 2017 11: 44
            +5
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            And we must repent and make peace with those who from one common Motherland made many private ones, fulfilling the dream of the “white” movement?

            I agree. The great ancient Chinese thinker and philosopher Confucius, who lived over 500 years BC, still said: “Beware of those who want to charge you with guilt and repentance. For they crave power over you».
        4. 34 region
          34 region 3 November 2017 01: 25
          +5
          15.30. "Enemies of the people", "enemies of the country" .... and who decides who is who? It can be said in another way. Enemies of the elite. And what are the enemies of the elite called? Fools, rogue, cattle and so on. When the elite looks down on the people, is this not a declaration of the people as an enemy of the people of the elite?
        5. Sewer krainiy
          Sewer krainiy 3 November 2017 18: 40
          +1
          The court must decide, in principle. But after the Khrushchev thaw, who is who solved the youth investigators. I read and analyzed archival affairs when a salag investigator in 60-70 years justified traitors, traitors, etc. with a stroke of the pen. It was fashionable ... Beria, Stalinist repressions, torture. As for him, in past times, teams of investigators worked on the case, there were heaps of witnesses ... (one of the traitors and traitors was acquitted after the third appeal for rehabilitation, witnesses were still alive during the first and second appeals). I think that the Stalinist, so-called repressions, at that time were as a necessity for the protection of the state. Nowadays, not the same threat, and whether the same protection is needed ...
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 18: 22
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      Quote: svp67
      In general, this is primarily a monument to people who died at one of the stages of the CIVIL WAR, and that means this is also our people.

      "Our people" is who? Savinkov’s terrorists, for example? Bulak-Balakhovich and Semenov’s bandits? Who served with Krasnov and Vlasov? Bandera’s, kaitselites, aizsargs and others? Frank crime, which sat down under article 58? They are not ours, but whose they are , showed a pantpticum that gathered at Putin's so-called Alekseev and Svanidze Council and others like them.
      If the first Yeltsin minister of justice, in a fit of honesty, admitted that the percentage of errors in justice of that time was scanty, then whom do you justify then try to justify?
      The Forerunners of Gorbachev
      Take, for example, the indictment issued on March 2, 1938 in the trial of the “right-wing Trotskyist bloc”:
      “An investigation carried out by the NKVD authorities established that, on the instructions of intelligence agencies of foreign countries hostile to the USSR, the defendants in this case organized a conspiratorial group called the“ Right-Trotskyist bloc ”, which aimed to overthrow the existing socialist social and political system in the USSR, restore capitalism and the power of the bourgeoisie in the USSR, dismemberment of the USSR and exclusion from it in favor of the above states of Ukraine, Belarus, the Central Asian Republics, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Primorye ”[201].
      For decades, these accusations were perceived as sucked and ridiculous fabrications of Stalinist propaganda sucked from a finger. However, let's imagine that a similar process is taking place today and in the dock instead of Bukharin, Rykov and Yagoda, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev and Shevardnadze are sitting. We look at the points:
      1. The overthrow of the existing socialist social and state system in the USSR - of course, took place. Moreover, a number of “accused” themselves admit that they deliberately acted in this direction. For example, here is what a former member of the Politburo Alexander Yakovlev said in an interview with the Izvestia newspaper:
      “- And yet, you have served in this system for a long time and held large posts.
      - But how, it was necessary to somehow end it. There are different ways, for example, dissidentism. But it is futile. It was necessary to act from within. We had the only way - to undermine the totalitarian regime from within using the discipline of the totalitarian party. We have done our job ”[202].
      As we see, speaking of his treacherous activities, the main ideologist of the CPSU Central Committee constantly uses the plural: “we had the only way”, “we did our job.” That is, there is a group of conspirators in the party leadership. At the same time, it is logical to assume that all these actions were carried out on the instructions of intelligence agencies of foreign states hostile to the USSR.
      2. The restoration of capitalism and the power of the bourgeoisie in the USSR was completed in full.
      3. The dismemberment of the USSR and the exclusion from it of Ukraine, Belarus, the Central Asian republics, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Primorye. The only differences are that in the 1930s the Baltic States and Moldova were not yet part of the Soviet Union.
      More than an exhaustive answer. Http://www.e-reading.by/bookreader.php/1018
      918 / Pyhalov _-_ 1937._Kak_vrut_o_stalinskih_repress
      iyah._Vse_bylo_ne_tak.html
  2. Seamaster
    Seamaster 2 November 2017 15: 28
    17
    There lived in our yard a quarrelsome old man-pensioner. He got the whole house with his scandals.
    But you can’t argue: a combat front-line officer in the Second World War, and after the war - a victim of Stalinist repression.
    In 1980 (I was actually old) they called me to the training camp, but they did not send me to Sevastopol for retraining as planned, but five of us at the military registration and enlistment office helped us draw up paperwork for benefits and veteran certificates for old front-line soldiers. They made extracts from personal files, sent them summons, issued coupons for free train travel. Just in 1980, this was put in order.
    I looked in the archive of the military registration and enlistment office and the personal file of our neighbor.
    But the front was not at all, almost the entire war - "the agitator in the hospital for the wounded."
    In 1945, he was demobilized, he worked in trade.
    In 1947, sentenced to 5 years - stole 2 barrels of herring on the base. And the year was hungry.
    I served 3 years, left.
    That’s such a “sacrifice,” little ones.
    1. megavolt823
      megavolt823 4 November 2017 01: 20
      +1
      they are not interested in really slandered, or in the wrong place and at the wrong time. believe me, they were in the 90 shaft. they speak for the political. and this is the direct path of justification from Trotsky to pseudo-Lenin. I include formations in the Caucasus and Ukraine with the Vlasovites. and further hi
  3. AA17
    AA17 2 November 2017 15: 33
    +7
    Another camouflaged step towards holding an invisible equal sign between the activities of I.V. Stalin and Hitler. Another attempt to make our people repent. With this step, the ruling class wants to take profits. After some time, our youth will lead to this monument and their minds will be formatted. To the E-CENTER far to carry. We opened an E-CENTER branch in Moscow. The results are already making themselves felt. I saw on TV (maybe on RBC) a broadcast where a young girl urged young people to post information, on some website (akin to Wikipedia), the stories of their relatives and friends about the repression.
    1. megavolt823
      megavolt823 4 November 2017 01: 36
      0
      you understand everything correctly. if you cannot quarrel over today's day, there is a past. if there is no forgery in history, you need to change the attitude towards history. Goebels, Brzezinski and others hi
  4. Odysseus
    Odysseus 2 November 2017 15: 38
    19
    The ostentatious naivety of the author is touching. Who is in power in Russia? Renegades (traitors) from communism and thieves.
    What are they afraid of as traitors and thieves? Fear the punishment for theft and hate the object of their betrayal.
    So, the memorials to the victims of political repression, as well as the Yeltsin centers and the Gulag museums are an absolute priority for them. Part of the general strategy for anti-Soviet propaganda is the ideological basis of the regime. And the regime is not going to refuse it.
    And the fact that this destroys the statehood of Russia is unimportant for them.
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 2 November 2017 17: 22
      10
      My dear, there’s nothing to add to your wonderful words. I’ll only say about myself, neither on the paternal nor on the maternal line in our family there is ANYONE who suffered from the so-called repressions. The question arises whether they beat, or is it all a myth?
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 3 November 2017 10: 18
        +2
        I have repressed and died in exile from hunger, and then what? By your own example, question what happened?
  5. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 2 November 2017 16: 05
    +9
    I am against any victims! But I do not understand Putin’s ambivalent position. What does he think that by acting both ours and yours, he will achieve intra-civil reconciliation? Yes, on the contrary, he sows the seeds of discord! He should come to the opening of the monument to Stalin!
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 2 November 2017 17: 23
      11
      Apparently, Putin does not lead, but controls the patrimony entrusted to him.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 2 November 2017 16: 22
    11
    Bandera and the like identity victims of political repression ... they identity too .. Thank you for helping the occupiers ... and bouquets of flowers ...
  7. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 16: 37
    +8
    Before thinking about such monuments (if we have nothing more to think about and everything is fine with us), first you need to declassify the archives of that time and make them public, voice them on TV, etc. Oh, how much new, unbelievable and perhaps, to some, even unpleasant we will find out! We still don’t have a single opinion: a revolution or a coup, a tyrant or a savior, some even write here that whites organized terror, although if they tensed, they remembered that the “red terror” was introduced to injure Lenin and kill Uritsky, even documents were preserved ... And then there is the theme of the notorious "Stalinist repressions" ... And the points of view are darkness! Open the archives and introduce the people, then we will understand what was true and what was invented and hung on us !!!
  8. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 16: 40
    +3
    [quote = Eurodav] Before thinking about such monuments (if we don’t have to think about anything and everything is fine with us), first you need to declassify the archives of that time and make them public, voice them on TV, etc. Oh, how much new, unbelievable and perhaps, to some, even unpleasant we will find out! We still don’t have a single opinion: a revolution or a coup, a tyrant or a savior, some even write here that whites organized terror, although if they tensed, they remembered that the “red terror” was introduced to injure Lenin and kill Uritsky, even documents were preserved ... And then there is the theme of the notorious "Stalinist repressions" ... And the points of view are darkness! Open the archives and introduce the people, then we will understand what was true and what was invented and hung on us !!! But they are unlikely to go for it, the truth will be revealed ... Starting from legitimacy and ending with uncomfortable names ...
  9. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 November 2017 17: 00
    +9
    Sergey Chernyakhovsky: Creating a monument to "victims of political repression" is a controversial idea
    How is this ideological sabotage controversial?
  10. sergo1914
    sergo1914 2 November 2017 17: 11
    +4
    Strange position. All wholesale victims of political repression. But it was already. Victims of German concentration camps. All are victims. Including rapists and murderers.
  11. erofich
    erofich 2 November 2017 17: 57
    15
    Or maybe you need a monument to the victims of economic repression of the 90s? Che trifle - then? When to feed the children is nothing, but whether there will be money in the near future is unknown. What is it? Not repression? During the Stalinist repressions, about 600 thousand were shot, and during the economic - some sources indicate the victims of progress in the region of 10 million. So where were the repressions?
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 18: 14
      +6
      Quote: erofich
      Or maybe you need a monument to the victims of economic repression of the 90s? Che trifle - then? When to feed the children is nothing, but whether there will be money in the near future is unknown.

      Do you ask these questions?
      Alas, this population is essentially cannibals and their values ​​are exactly the same.
      https://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/99675-o
      tbornye-vyskazyvaniya-russkih-liberalov.html
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 2 November 2017 20: 30
      +8
      What does the 90s mean? And when the whole country collects the little things for the treatment of crumbs? And when do we find out that there are not most vaccines for viruses that the USSR defeated in the 60s? Yes, during the reign of Putin, people died more than during the collection of biological samples by America! From the lack of normal medical care, from the lack of the microbiological industry, from the lack of the pharmacological industry, etc.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 2 November 2017 22: 17
        +3
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        What does the 90s mean? And when the whole country collects the little things for the treatment of crumbs?

        Therefore.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oe1K23O-Us
    3. 34 region
      34 region 3 November 2017 02: 19
      +6
      17.57. Everyone remembers the dictum of 30 million who did not fit into the market. 4 million arrested over 30 years are called huge, but about 10-30 million extinct (or planned) after the 90s, do not even stutter! Is arrest a repression, but is a natural population decline?
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 2 November 2017 18: 41
    +7
    Great article - technical, concise, and to the point ...! good
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  14. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 19: 11
    +2
    Quote: Seamaster
    There lived in our yard a quarrelsome old man-pensioner. He got the whole house with his scandals.
    But you can’t argue: a combat front-line officer in the Second World War, and after the war - a victim of Stalinist repression.
    In 1980 (I was actually old) they called me to the training camp, but they did not send me to Sevastopol for retraining as planned, but five of us at the military registration and enlistment office helped us draw up paperwork for benefits and veteran certificates for old front-line soldiers. They made extracts from personal files, sent them summons, issued coupons for free train travel. Just in 1980, this was put in order.
    I looked in the archive of the military registration and enlistment office and the personal file of our neighbor.
    But the front was not at all, almost the entire war - "the agitator in the hospital for the wounded."
    In 1945, he was demobilized, he worked in trade.
    In 1947, sentenced to 5 years - stole 2 barrels of herring on the base. And the year was hungry.
    I served 3 years, left.
    That’s such a “sacrifice,” little ones.

    And how many of them are ... Do not count ...
  15. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 2 November 2017 19: 23
    +7
    For some reason, I expect from Putin that he will put the Chubais and Kudrins at stake, this does not happen. And then he shot at Stalin. I do not understand!!
  16. looker-on
    looker-on 2 November 2017 19: 45
    +1
    Quote: Vasya Vassin
    My dear, there’s nothing to add to your wonderful words. I’ll only say about myself, neither on the paternal nor on the maternal line in our family there is ANYONE who suffered from the so-called repressions. The question arises whether they beat, or is it all a myth?

    Are you for all the families of Russia, apparently, answered?)
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 3 November 2017 11: 44
      +1
      Quote: looker-on
      Quote: Vasya Vassin
      My dear, there’s nothing to add to your wonderful words. I’ll only say about myself, neither on the paternal nor on the maternal line in our family there is ANYONE who suffered from the so-called repressions. The question arises whether they beat, or is it all a myth?

      Are you for all the families of Russia, apparently, answered?)

      For mine for sure. In my family I could not hear about the repression. I am 53 years old and over the years I do not remember that my friends also had repressed in their ancestors
  17. Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 2 November 2017 19: 45
    +7
    It is necessary to believe less in those who lie after the death of people. I went to work in the Far East in 1953 and saw who was released under an amnesty. They ran along the roofs of the carriage and went down only for the shooters. But in essence: 14-18 volumes of the works of Stalin have not yet been published. And in them a lot of his accusers expose, starting with Khrushchev. I give only one excerpt on the topic.



    From a speech by Comrade Stalin to the Politburo in May 1941. (Stalin, Op. 15. From 17)


    However, speaking about the shortcomings, one cannot fail to note that Comrade Zhukov is right: part of our team cadres devotedly devoted to the Motherland are young people who have recently been promoted to command posts without sufficient military experience. In the course of timely and correct cleansing of our armed forces of foreign agents that penetrated into them, Comrade Voroshilov and his deputies for the People’s Commissariat of Defense clearly overdid it. Trusting the “information” that “they received from the former People’s Commissar of the NKVD, Yezhov, they dismissed about 40 experienced commanders from the armed forces, allegedly for political unreliability. Most were fired under the guise of fashionable slogans: for communication with the enemies of the people or for the loss of vigilance. It was enough for the NKVD to establish that among the acquaintances of the serviceman or among those with whom he daily communicated in the service, there was a exposed foreign intelligence agent, which he certainly did not know and could not know that such a commander would be immediately dismissed from the armed forces.
    Comrade Voroshilov, of course, can be understood. Losing vigilance is an extremely dangerous affair: after all, in order to carry out a successful offensive at the front, hundreds of thousands of soldiers are needed, and in order to fail it - two three traitorous bastards in the General Staff. However, whatever the justification for the dismissal of 40 thousand commanders from the armed forces is an event that is not only excessive, but also extremely harmful in all respects. The Party Central Committee corrected Comrade Voroshilov.
    By January 1938, 11 previously dismissed experienced military commanders had been returned to the army and navy. Our enemies abroad, for provocative purposes, spread rumors about the mass executions that allegedly took place in the Soviet Union, shed crocodile tears at the agents exposed by us and their shots, over all of these Tukhachevsky, Egorov, Yakiram. It is claimed that the exposure of foreign agents in the USSR allegedly reduced the combat effectiveness of the Soviet armed forces, and the number of people executed in the Soviet Union almost exceeded one million people. This is a provocative slander. In 1937, 841 people were convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes by the judiciary. Of these, 121 people were shot. In 1938, under articles on counter-revolutionary crimes, the NKVD authorities arrested 52372 people. When considering their cases in the judiciary, 2731 people were convicted, 89 of them were executed and 49641 people were acquitted. Such a large number of acquittals confirmed that the former NKVD People's Commissar Yezhov arrested many people for no good reason. Behind the Central Committee of the party, arbitrariness was committed, for which he was arrested on April 10, 1939, and on April 4, 1940, provocateurs Yezhov and his deputy for the NKVD Frinovsky were shot by the sentence of the Military Collegium of the USSR Supreme Court. As for the majority of prisoners who are in the camps of the GULAG system of the NKVD of the USSR, these are ordinary criminals who cannot be kept free in the interests of the security of the Soviet people.
  18. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 2 November 2017 21: 48
    +3
    "society is tired of the impunity of real criminals - from economic to political."

    This is so, so many times! Criminals in courts judge citizens guided only by their corporate interests, their own selfish interests. No matter how much they pay, they will still extort money.
    Advocacy is simply a system of legalized bribery. He didn’t pay the lawyer, he didn’t share with the judge - you will never win, at least 1000 times right ...
  19. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 November 2017 21: 53
    +8
    When they talk about the old, about the revolution, about the 30s, I want to ask, but what about the 90s. I remember. All this in scale is comparable to the so-called repression. Why didn’t anyone in our family talk about repression? Because our family was not repressed.
    And then what’s the word when the enemies of the people are in power!
  20. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 2 November 2017 21: 57
    +5
    And according to sabzh, my grandfather was the chief accountant in the factory, after the war. Steal from the "group of comrades" and sat down.
    So my mother skinned me for a penny taken without demand and inspired one hundred times, so that I always took tickets to a trolleybus!
    And who was wrong?
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 2 November 2017 22: 01
    10
    Quote: aybolyt678
    For some reason, I expect from Putin that he will put the Chubais and Kudrins at stake, this does not happen. And then he shot at Stalin. I do not understand!!

    Are you crazy ?! He is one of them! wassat
  22. turbris
    turbris 2 November 2017 22: 43
    +2
    Was there political repression or not? Of course there were, and this is no longer in doubt. Have people been shot for political views? Yes, and cases were fabricated under this article 58, which really existed. The number of victims has not yet been specifically disclosed, although all documents are available. I do not understand,
    why there should not be this monument, as a memory of the innocent victims and a reminder that this should never happen again.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 3 November 2017 02: 30
      +5
      22.43. And who shot for political views? The ancestors of those who came to power in the 90s. Who fabricated fake cases? Those who sought upward to join the global economy. Persons like Gorbachev. The injured were only under Stalin? Is everything right today? And Serdyukov is also a victim of repression? He also suffered. Are hoes a victim of repression too?
  23. Shurale
    Shurale 3 November 2017 06: 14
    +5
    They can scream to us as much as they like about the Stalinist repressions; Russia will not forget for a long time the more recent events of the 90 years;
  24. tasha
    tasha 3 November 2017 06: 56
    0
    It seems to me that with his article the author is trying to introduce a greater split than the event itself.
  25. Alex66
    Alex66 3 November 2017 08: 14
    +5
    Putin unveils the monument to the repressed under the Soviet regime, and this is an indirect condemnation, a spit in her direction, he tore off the museum to YBN in Yekaterinburg, but this is a whitening of the crimes that were committed at that time, Putin is the successor of Yeltsin’s policy and his protege. Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not convicted, an investigation of their activities has not been conducted; their accomplices continue to lead.
  26. Sars
    Sars 3 November 2017 09: 14
    +1
    Political repressions in Russia began in 1917, comrades Lenins, Trotsky and other Jewish company. But we, the descendants of this company, are actively hanging noodles about the bloody Stalin, and here is Ksyusha Sobchak, about the Russian people in 1937 to experience the beginning.
  27. Overlock
    Overlock 3 November 2017 10: 12
    +2
    Quote: venaya
    In no case is it permissible to rehabilitate the country's enemies

    and who built the White Sea Canal. Magnitogorsk are also enemies?
    1. tasha
      tasha 3 November 2017 12: 37
      +1
      In 1931, my grandfather was sent from Siberia to build the White Sea-Baltic Canal. As my grandmother told me, we arrived by truck, gathered residents and were arrested according to the list ... He returned two years later ... For what, why, they didn’t explain .. The origin probably failed. Or personally, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin ordered the father of five children to send to the camp ...
  28. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 3 November 2017 10: 16
    +6
    No one is trying so hard in the field of the division of the Russian people as our authorities. Everything is numb to the bourgeoisie, they no longer know how to legitimize themselves. All the same, it won’t work out - everyone is already aware that the country’s authorities are thieves and collaborators, and no leaps and tricks will help them ..
  29. Olgovich
    Olgovich 3 November 2017 12: 57
    +1
    I fully support the President of Russia in opening the Wall of Sorrow and his speech at a commemorative rally in honor of its opening.
    We will remember the citizens of the country who have been destroyed without trial and innocence.
    They also just wanted to live: raise children, serve the country, enjoy life.
    But they were not given this ordinary happiness ....

    Tov author note. that the TRUTH cannot be shared, it must be known and conclusions drawn.
    If the author has doubts about the innocence of the repressed, let him look at the relevant laws of the USSR and the Russian Federation on the condemnation of repression and rehabilitation of the repressed.
    If they do not suit him, this is his personal affair, and the state SAID his word, and his word is the main thing.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 November 2017 18: 17
      +6
      "... the state said its word, and his word is the main thing."
      No, don’t carry the blizzard. The main word is the people, but he has not said anything yet. As usual, harnesses slowly. Well, and then - do not exact, as they say.
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 5 November 2017 00: 01
        0
        He does not carry a blizzard. What is the state? - The state is a machine for suppressing the majority by the minority
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  31. Doliva63
    Doliva63 3 November 2017 18: 13
    +7
    There was no political repression. There was a struggle with enemies in accordance with the then laws and the mentality of that time. By the way. For the period from 21 to 53, about 800 thousand were shot according to different sentences, in my opinion. But this is the Civil War, and the banditry of the NEP, and the Great Patriotic War. In the United States, during the period of “depression”, several million people disappeared without a trace - why isn’t the democratic, damn it, the public concerned about their search? And Putin has once again shown which side he is on. Well, so that there is no doubt.
  32. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 3 November 2017 19: 41
    0
    [I]
    Quote: Evrodav
    Before thinking about such monuments (if we have nothing more to think about and everything is fine with us), first you need to declassify the archives of that time and make them public, voice them on TV, etc. Oh, how much new, unbelievable and perhaps, to some, even unpleasant we will find out! We still don’t have a single opinion: a revolution or a coup, a tyrant or a savior, some even write here that whites organized terror, although if they tensed, they remembered that the “red terror” was introduced to injure Lenin and kill Uritsky, even documents were preserved ... And then there is the theme of the notorious "Stalinist repressions" ... And the points of view are darkness! Open the archives and introduce the people, then we will understand what was true and what was invented and hung on us !!!


    Open the Pandora's Box. And there will be so many opinions ... Swan, Pike and Cancer. And how right was Father Krylov in his fables ... The archives of the STATE for historians, not for politicians, especially for the people. For a specific person personally, please. And then - Pandora's Box ...
  33. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 3 November 2017 19: 52
    0
    And in general, Katyn recognized - rejoice. Now the Poles are pooping on our heads. And the Burdenko commission after the liberation of the Smolensk region sideways ... But Yeltsin centers, all sorts of Yakovlev are in favor ... About time, about people.
  34. Radikal
    Radikal 3 November 2017 19: 57
    0
    Quote: Alex66
    Putin unveils the monument to the repressed under the Soviet regime, and this is an indirect condemnation, a spit in her direction, he tore off the museum to YBN in Yekaterinburg, but this is a whitening of the crimes that were committed at that time, Putin is the successor of Yeltsin’s policy and his protege. Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not convicted, an investigation of their activities has not been conducted; their accomplices continue to lead.

    yes good
  35. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 3 November 2017 20: 09
    0
    Quote: Seamaster
    There lived in our yard a quarrelsome old man-pensioner. He got the whole house with his scandals.
    But you can’t argue: a combat front-line officer in the Second World War, and after the war - a victim of Stalinist repression.
    In 1980 (I was actually old) they called me to the training camp, but they did not send me to Sevastopol for retraining as planned, but five of us at the military registration and enlistment office helped us draw up paperwork for benefits and veteran certificates for old front-line soldiers. They made extracts from personal files, sent them summons, issued coupons for free train travel. Just in 1980, this was put in order.
    I looked in the archive of the military registration and enlistment office and the personal file of our neighbor.
    But the front was not at all, almost the entire war - "the agitator in the hospital for the wounded."
    In 1945, he was demobilized, he worked in trade.
    In 1947, sentenced to 5 years - stole 2 barrels of herring on the base. And the year was hungry.
    I served 3 years, left.
    That’s such a “sacrifice,” little ones.


    I will add ... in 1972-73 a "war veteran" appeared in Nikolaev, met with youth, in military units spoke about his "exploits" during the war. They checked that he served 20 years for treason against his homeland, and after serving it he filed twice for rehabilitation, referring to torture (I already wrote about this). For the third time, he was rehabilitated due to the death of witnesses. Such a veteran. Meetings, of course, were discontinued.
  36. Radikal
    Radikal 4 November 2017 21: 29
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    I fully support the President of Russia in opening the Wall of Sorrow and his speech at a commemorative rally in honor of its opening.
    We will remember the citizens of the country who have been destroyed without trial and innocence.
    They also just wanted to live: raise children, serve the country, enjoy life.
    But they were not given this ordinary happiness ....

    Tov author note. that the TRUTH cannot be shared, it must be known and conclusions drawn.
    If the author has doubts about the innocence of the repressed, let him look at the relevant laws of the USSR and the Russian Federation on the condemnation of repression and rehabilitation of the repressed.
    If they do not suit him, this is his personal affair, and the state SAID his word, and his word is the main thing.

    Can you remind you by whom, in what composition, and most importantly when these laws were adopted ?! You tell it to the USA or Europe, they will listen and support with pleasure, because they don’t know about that. We do not need to tell here that twice - two = five, not four! angry
  37. pepel
    pepel 5 November 2017 19: 40
    +2
    By their presence at the ceremony, Putin and the patriarch supported those who are interested in maintaining a PERMANENT state of civil war in Russia. Regrettably, the 100th anniversary of the Revolution is only an interim date in this war. Agents of world liberalism will by all means support this state with their cries for the victims of repression. am angry