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German "green" raised the question of the feasibility of the project "Nord Stream-2»

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German parties claiming to form a ruling coalition discuss how expedient the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project is, reports Expert Online with reference to the magazine Der Spiegel.




After the September elections to the Bundestag, the most likely is the formation of the government, which will include representatives of the Christian-conservative bloc Angela Merkel with the Greens and the Free Democratic Party (FDP).

The project hinders the development of renewable energy and is an apple of discord for Europe,
declared the deputy head of the Green faction in parliament, Oliver Krisher.

He noted that the construction of a new gas pipeline "only increases Germany’s dependence on Russia." The politician said that his party is in favor of reassessing the feasibility of the project.

The FDP is also skeptical about the expansion of the gas pipeline from the Russian Federation: the Free Democrats would like to achieve a reduction in the EU’s energy dependence on Russian gas and advocate a transition to a single community policy in the energy sector.

Both of these goals correlate poorly with Nord Stream - 2,
said former state minister of Germany, Michael Link.

In the party, Merkel also sounded criticism.

A new coalition should not look at this topic through the eyes of individual companies or even individuals,
convinced foreign policy expert, CDU member Norbert Ryotgen.

Recall that the European Union, although it supports the creation of a new line from Russia, however, insists that the norms of the so-called “Third EU energy package” should be extended to the project. Thus, Brussels wants to join the regulation of access to the “Nord Stream - 2” of third countries and to participate in the tariff policy regarding the “blue fuel” flowing through this gas pipeline. The main opponents of the construction of the pipe are Poland and the Baltic countries.
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  1. Astoria
    Astoria 1 November 2017 13: 11 New
    19
    What is green, what is blue, one hell.
    1. Logall
      Logall 1 November 2017 13: 20 New
      14
      This is of course hee hee, but they will drink blood! We have already agreed with the Christians, but here ...
      The Yankees will use all the pressure tools to influence ...
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 1 November 2017 13: 27 New
        12
        The project hinders the development of renewable energy and is an apple of discord for Europe,
        declared the deputy head of the Green faction in parliament, Oliver Krisher.

        I received a pack of bucks from the USA - now it works out.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 1 November 2017 13: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: Jedi
          I received a pack of bucks from the USA - now it works out.

          Here, of course, America plays a role, but its liquefied one will not cram, but
          Thus, Brussels wants to join third countries in regulating access to Nord Stream 2 and participating in the tariff policy regarding the “blue fuel” coming through this pipeline
          Then they will gnaw their teeth, this is a fairy tale for our gas prices and quotas to sell, damn it, consider that the owners of the well ...
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 1 November 2017 14: 02 New
            +7
            Our gas is not energy, but primarily synthesis.
            Green energy will not allow the production of plastic and most drugs. And with acetylene will be strained.
            Liquefied gas - purified, practically not suitable for synthesis processes. And for the energy sector it is still necessary to “liquefy" it, which again is very costly.
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 1 November 2017 14: 51 New
            +2
            if without pathetics - it is possible to take out production from Germany, for example Turkey, and gas is not needed.
            Gas already goes to Turkey, and all the well-fed dirty ones are brought to developing countries, and then they will be blamed for environmental pollution
            Our gas is not 100% necessary for Western Europe, and Eastern Europe has already passed by, without South Stream
          3. Partyzan
            Partyzan 1 November 2017 15: 31 New
            +5
            Quote: NIKNN
            Then they will gnaw their teeth, this is a fairy tale for our gas prices and quotas to sell, damn it, consider that the owners of the well ...

            turn off the gas - and see how third countries help them? and for how much laughing
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 1 November 2017 13: 33 New
          10
          Jedi hi . Here for a pack of colored paper they "merge" their opinion, integrity and independence of their native country. And they could live beautifully
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 1 November 2017 13: 35 New
            +5
            Hi! hi The luster of a voiced coin overshadows common sense, and its ringing drowns out a voice of conscience.
            1. Logall
              Logall 1 November 2017 13: 40 New
              10
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              could live beautifully

              Those who merge, he lives beautifully! And to the rest they ...
              Tramp hi
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 1 November 2017 13: 53 New
                +6
                hi
                There gathered at the gate, this as his .. people
                So they live when people guess? I’ll go to my American guest about 404 lol
        3. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 1 November 2017 13: 36 New
          13
          "The project hinders the development of renewable energy and is a bone of contention for Europe, said the deputy head of the green faction in parliament, Oliver Kracher."

          No renewable energy - wave, solar and wind - in its capabilities will not reach 1% of the existing traditional. But damage to nature will be done very seriously - oxygen hypoxia in water on the sea shelf, infrasound from powerful windmills, redistribution of wind roses from the conversion of solar energy over large areas, the occurrence of tornadoes, climate change, etc. All this has been studied and long voiced. Any withdrawal of energy from the natural balance does not remain without consequences.
          And if the head of the Green Party carries such nonsense, not being afraid to appear as an amateur, then there is only one conclusion - the name of the Green party is chosen by the color of American banknotes.
          1. Black5Raven
            Black5Raven 1 November 2017 14: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Stock Officer
            All this has been studied and long voiced. Any withdrawal of energy from the natural balance does not remain without consequences.

            Quote: Stock Officer
            bears such nonsense, not being afraid to be an amateur

            At the moment, only you are talking nonsense. Not knowing the ford, do not pop into the water. It’s the same here, it’s not worth talking about what you don’t have a clue about.
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 1 November 2017 14: 31 New
              +5
              Actually, dear, after submitting the report, I was engaged in both on-board and alternative energy for many years. PhD, 48 inventions. So it’s better to listen, not snarl.
              1. Black5Raven
                Black5Raven 1 November 2017 16: 51 New
                0
                In this case, it will not be difficult for you to provide evidence of your words. I will accept both information on patents and links to scientific papers on this topic. It's simple, isn't it?
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 1 November 2017 17: 35 New
                  +6
                  Yes please. Here are some of the underlying upwelling effects.
                  AU USSR No. 1807224 from 10.10.1992 "Wave aerator-power installation"
                  USSR AS No. 1540754 from 08.10.1989, “Device for aerating water areas”
                  RF patent No. 2016224 from 15.07.1994, “Pneumatic wave transducer”
                  AU USSR No. 1833978 from 13.10.1992 "Wave power installation"
                  USSR AS No. 1665066 from 22.03.1991, “Device for the utilization of wave energy”
                  Well, then - the Internet will help you. By last name you will find what interests you.
                  And now I’ll say that it’s not a pleasure to communicate with you in such a tone. The fact that you have not heard anything about the consequences of using the so-called renewable energy sources does not matter. Want to read - there are many publications on this subject. But the fact that you write rude comments on the move does not do you any honor.
                  1. Black5Raven
                    Black5Raven 1 November 2017 22: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Stock Officer
                    Yes please. Here are some of the underlying upwelling effects.

                    Unfortunately, information about practical application could not be found at the moment.

                    Quote: Stock Officer
                    - does not honor you.

                    Nothing to add, my mistake. I apologize for that tone and initial doubts.
                    1. Reserve officer
                      Reserve officer 1 November 2017 22: 05 New
                      +2
                      The words of a real man. Apologies are accepted.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2017 22: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Black5Raven
              Here is the same

              but cheaper
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 1 November 2017 13: 33 New
        +2
        Although green, even blue can act as much as they want. In this case, due to the deterioration of the Ukrainian and Polish sections of the gas pipeline, Russia should stop supplying gas via this route in 2-3 years and will conclude new contracts taking into account the Nord Stream - 2 and the Turkish Stream. Otherwise, this blackmail of American puppets will be endless and they will be paid well for it.
    2. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 1 November 2017 13: 28 New
      +7
      first of all, these “greens” should have wild heartburn from Amer’s nuclear munitions in their homeland, and if not, then this bullshit is fake, not green.))
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 1 November 2017 13: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Warrior with a machine gun
        no, then this bullshit is fake, not green

        How green are they? Blue, like everyone else, they have nature on the drum, they re-qualify gay protectors of nature and take protection ... It would be nice to ban the export of gays in order to preserve the population ...
        1. Warrior with machine gun
          Warrior with machine gun 1 November 2017 13: 54 New
          +6
          if only in order to preserve normal people, the population of pedrons by nature is doomed to extinction))
          1. shvn
            shvn 1 November 2017 14: 14 New
            +1
            But I think that I don’t care about all Euros. They do not want our gas, so the little babies with them. Is it really so tied to the fucking Europe and Gazprom has nowhere to put gas? Well, make it clear to me ...
            1. Roma
              Roma 1977 1 November 2017 15: 09 New
              +1
              Yes. Russian gas is strongly tied to Europe. Recently, attempts have been made to "untie" for freedom of maneuver, in the form of pipelines to China and the construction of marine terminals for liquefying gas. But this is not enough to block dependence on Europe.
            2. syndicalist
              syndicalist 2 November 2017 11: 50 New
              +1
              It is almost impossible to even suspend production through conservation of wells. We'll have to corrode the produced gas into the atmosphere.
    3. Vend
      Vend 1 November 2017 14: 01 New
      +1
      Another attempt, already green pulled up, where is Greenpeace?
    4. ID90
      ID90 1 November 2017 14: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Astoria
      What is green, what is blue, one hell.

      anyone that hurts.
    5. LSA57
      LSA57 1 November 2017 15: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: Astoria
      What is green, what is blue, one hell.

      in one word colored
    6. weksha50
      weksha50 1 November 2017 21: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Astoria
      What is green, what is blue, one hell.


      From the blue - less harm, if they are not great fool around with their demonstrations ...
      But the green ones are a natural gang of extortionists-provocateurs ... Consider, under the plausible pretexts of the struggle for the environment, multibillion-dollar projects help (or DO NOT) solve ...
  2. Thrall
    Thrall 1 November 2017 13: 11 New
    +2
    But do not we set the blue on us? smile
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 1 November 2017 13: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Thrall
      But do not we set the blue on us?

      These are the same people.
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 1 November 2017 13: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Thrall
      But do not we set the blue on us? smile

      Blue on blue belay It would probably be interesting ...
      1. win
        win 1 November 2017 14: 20 New
        +4
        Blue on blue belay



        Barbara Hendricks (right) with his wife

        Minister Germany's Environmental Protection Agency Barbara Hendricks announced Tuesday that she had married a teacher, Valerie Vauzanges, on Tuesday, October 31.

        The same-sex partnership included, in particular, the former Minister German Foreign Affairs Guido Westerwelle.
        what what fool
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 1 November 2017 21: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Siegen
          Barbara Hendricks (right) with his wife


          MMMMllinnnnnn .... The Inquisition - not finalized ... Or - reworked ???
          I looked at these faces for the night ... I’ll have to take sleeping pills ... recourse
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2017 22: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: weksha50
            Inquisition - not finalized ...

            Yes, it’s just finalized, if for centuries beautiful women are burned at the stake, then they simply stop being born
          2. win
            win 2 November 2017 11: 14 New
            +1
            I looked at these faces for the night ... I’ll have to take sleeping pills


            Maybe I scream at night too ...
            As I see this mordovorot - I can not wake up ...
            (Arkady Raikin) belay
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2017 22: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Siegen
          got married

          eat yours ....
          met two loneliness belay
      2. Roma
        Roma 1977 1 November 2017 15: 10 New
        +1
        And then look at their fight and say: "Ours are more beautiful than theirs!"
  3. Shurik70
    Shurik70 1 November 2017 13: 11 New
    +5
    How many times have the world been told

    that “green” is Greenpeace’s tool, and Greenpeace is a tool of US politicians.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 1 November 2017 13: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Shurik70
      that “green” is Greenpeace’s tool, and Greenpeace is a tool of US politicians.

      Well, this one, let them come in if sho.
      1. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 1 November 2017 13: 56 New
        11
        I’m saying these jerseys are green, or the fuel itself appears in their engines, they, like green, should only attack with oars)))
  4. Roma
    Roma 1977 1 November 2017 13: 15 New
    +5
    Nothing that "green energy" is unprofitable and subsidized from the budget? And it will always be unprofitable. And the main point of wagging is the reorientation of Europe to American shale gas.
    1. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 1 November 2017 13: 28 New
      +5
      So American liquefied gas comes out more expensive than Russian.
      How do they usually work out the money of the owners
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2017 22: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Shura sailors
        So American liquefied gas comes out more expensive than Russian.

        it's different
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2017 22: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Roma-1977
      And it will always be unprofitable.

      nuuu
      not so categorically, maybe in about a hundred years
      but now yes it’s only profitable where to pull the wires is not real
      1. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 2 November 2017 14: 05 New
        0
        Yes. Exclusively locally or as an auxiliary generation. For industry, there’s no sense whatsoever, because these technologies now do not allow bearing the load for energy-intensive enterprises and entities, and by definition they are not able to compensate for peak loads.
  5. Skay
    Skay 1 November 2017 13: 18 New
    0
    But did the burghers want to trade Russian gas in Europe?
  6. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 1 November 2017 13: 23 New
    +6
    They just want to grab their share ... Environmentalists in Russia act like that. They do not give permission to develop, for example, quarries ... After receiving the money - they allow.
    1. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 1 November 2017 14: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Fedya2017
      After receiving the money - allow.

      As with a pulp mill in Baikal.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 1 November 2017 14: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Black5Raven
        As with a pulp mill in Baikal.

        Well, whoever sits on what is fed from this ... Maybe it is the same with Baikal. Examples of this cannot be counted - these are city landfills, and various construction in nature reserves and reserves ... Discharges and emissions of plants into rivers and the atmosphere, etc. etc ... The difference is only in the scale and amount of bribes.
  7. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 1 November 2017 13: 24 New
    10
    Greens are natural extremists, not only in Germany.

    This is a unique bunch of stupid donkeys. am They are for green electricity, regardless of its price - while any economic theory that describes capitalism orders these psychics to immediately isolate. They are for electric cars, although it is proved on fingers that they will never be equal even with ICE in energy density, etc. They are against nuclear power plants, although for mankind there is no way to generate electricity in the next 1000 years. They are for windmills that cannot (not enough land all over) provide electricity to even the United States alone, not to mention the world as a whole. They are against climate change, but for solar panels that change climate more than burning coal. They ... They are degenerates, in a word. am
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 1 November 2017 14: 12 New
      +4
      So I say: any green thing is several times more expensive than a simple one. And so, it pollutes the space as much more. Electric cars require power plants. To create a windmill, you need to spend as much electricity as it does not produce in a year. Plus materials, installation. And all this is fuel. And how many birds are dying there? And so on, so on. Or we will cover the whole earth with black panels and overheat it a hundred degrees ... unpaid by globalists.
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 1 November 2017 14: 49 New
        0
        "Look at the root!"K.Prutkov. smile
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 November 2017 19: 36 New
        0
        In Japan, they are working on a project of orbital solar panels, which will in procession transfer the generated energy to the earth.
        1. Gormenghast
          Gormenghast 1 November 2017 19: 47 New
          +1
          Nothing will happen until the greens rule the ball. SKES are thousands of tons, no kerosene will help here. Even Musk. laughing
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 November 2017 19: 22 New
            0
            Well, if Musk does his 10000-ton rocket for interplanetary expeditions, then the Japanese will have a chance to realize their plans in iron, especially since Musk himself may be interested in this project in the future.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2017 22: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          In Japan, working on a project of orbital solar panels

          well let them work
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2017 19: 30 New
      0
      "They are against nuclear power plants, although there is no way for humanity to generate electricity in the next 1000 years." Well, here they bent - linear, laser thermonuclear reactors, can become an alternative to the usual nuclear power plants, expander generators in pipelines, tidal power plants will become widespread in the future.
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 1 November 2017 19: 44 New
        +1
        As a useful addition, yes, but not as a basis. I attribute thermonuclear to a nuclear method of energy production, and regarding the timing of its industrial implementation, I feel extreme pessimism. sad

        NPP - subject to the involvement of uranium-238 and thorium-232 in the circulation - this is the main route.
  8. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 1 November 2017 13: 36 New
    +2
    Yes, the flag, the drum and the engine. There is China on coal - the sky sees on great holidays. And without European goods (which I see only in the picture) we won’t stretch our legs. Is the hint more than transparent?
  9. Herculesic
    Herculesic 1 November 2017 13: 39 New
    +1
    These pseudo-defenders of nature were simply very well paid! I think the Yankees fussed there.
  10. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 1 November 2017 14: 03 New
    +2
    Those green ones are still um ... they are - = blue.
    Sponsored by Soros and the CIA.
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 1 November 2017 14: 52 New
      0
      Blue extremists laughing

      Suffice it to recall the aggressive attack on "Prirazlomnoy". am
  11. Oleg Andreev
    Oleg Andreev 1 November 2017 14: 08 New
    0
    What kind of greens are they fighting for? Against the occupation of Germany by the Americans, against the environmentally dirty, US nuclear bases on their territory? Who contains this little thing?
  12. sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 November 2017 14: 17 New
    +2
    The main thing is what Suriname thinks about it.
  13. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 1 November 2017 14: 57 New
    +1
    All this will end with the fact that China, Japan and Korea will take gas.
    And Europe will remain with its ecology.
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 1 November 2017 15: 25 New
    +2
    We must wait until the "green" turn blue in winter.
  15. Sergey53
    Sergey53 1 November 2017 16: 50 New
    0
    It would be better to put the question what for you generally need gas. These sticks are inserted into the wheels for those who do not unfasten the margin for their maintenance.
  16. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 1 November 2017 17: 25 New
    +1
    Greens have long turned into an instrument of unfair competition with objectionable companies and countries.
  17. Kent0001
    Kent0001 1 November 2017 17: 37 New
    +2
    I think there will be no ... gas pipeline. Americans sell this solution through the EU in any way., despite the efforts of Schroeder. And in connection with the latter, the sanction may be a lot of things no longer exist. Very, very much I want to make mistakes, but the situation is somehow not in our favor ... at least for now.
  18. razved
    razved 1 November 2017 20: 52 New
    0
    The representative of the "green" wanted to enter the stake?
  19. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 1 November 2017 20: 55 New
    0
    Or maybe SIEMENS will also pay Russia for access to the Russian market? Not much - 400% of their profits ...
  20. weksha50
    weksha50 1 November 2017 21: 05 New
    +1
    "The project hinders the development of renewable energy and is a bone of contention for Europe,
    said the deputy head of the green faction in parliament, Oliver Crusher. "...

    Oh, these "green" ...
    They have long since turned from environmentalists into politicized racketeer bandits ... They decide (for money, of course) who should develop what or where and where - to ban certain authorities to please ...
  21. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2017 22: 42 New
    0
    The project hinders the development of renewable energy

    when the windmills and solar panels will be at affordable prices then there will be development, but for now these are all very expensive toys
  22. Sars
    Sars 2 November 2017 05: 28 New
    0
    The Greens are a shock detachment of the "ruling elite." Homosexuals with lesbians will support them at the right time.
  23. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 2 November 2017 13: 54 New
    +1
    The project hinders the development of renewable energy and is an apple of discord for Europe,


    Renewable energy today in Europe is the most expensive generation sector, which is subsidized by 70-80%.
    What will they generate if they refuse gas?
    1. Roma
      Roma 1977 2 November 2017 15: 08 New
      0
      American gas. It probably complies with the environmental standards of Euro-6. Unlike dirty Russian.
  24. rocket757
    rocket757 3 November 2017 00: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Logall
    This is of course hee hee, but they will drink blood! We have already agreed with the Christians, but here ...
    The Yankees will use all the pressure tools to influence ...

    But this may not be at all HI - HI!
    In Germany, and in many other countries, they are still in a "stream".
    And if politicians need them, they can push as well for business.
    Moreover, the big brother does not sleep!