IWI introduced the new TAVOR in the caliber 7,62 × 51 mm.

Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) has announced that it will officially present its new TAVOR 7 assault rifle at upcoming weapons shows. Now TAVOR bullpup will be available in 7,62 × 51 mm caliber.

The US division of Israel Weapon Industries announced the TAVOR 7 rifle in July of this year. Then it was reported that sales of the civilian version of the rifle will start in the US in January 2018. The first to see the new bull-pops from IWI will be visitors to the exhibitions Defense and Security (Thailand), Milipol (France) and Expodefensa (Colombia).

Both military and civilian versions of the bull-dad, which will not have the possibility of automatic firing, will be presented at the expo. The company IWI indicate that TAVOR 7 was created taking into account the tendency of the military to return to heavier bullets. At the same time, IWI states that they are ready to begin supplying new rifles to potential customers already in the first quarter of 2018.

TAVOR 7 - a new model in the line of assault rifles and submachine guns TAVOR, as well as the first of the "Tavor", made in caliber 7,62 × 51 mm. All previous models were available in 5,56 × 45 mm (5,45 × 39 mm), as well as 9 mm Luger and .300 AAC Blackout (7,62 × 35 mm) calibers. The mass of the rifle is 3,9 kg, and its automation is built on the short stroke of the gas piston (it has four positions to adjust for different types of ammunition), reports "Warspot"

Comments

[inkass_98]

And the store, go on 15-20 cartridges?
A heavier bullet does not have to be in a rifle cartridge, the same can be realized in the intermediate, with more ammunition and less cartridge cost.
In any case, this assault rifle is not intended for firing further than 400-600 m. So why use 7,62x51?

[voyaka uh]

"In any case, this machine is not intended for firing further than 400-600 m" ///

NO automatic is designed to fire further than 400-600 m.
Further 600 m machine gunners and snipers shoot.
Do Tavor, do not forget, the barrel is the same length as the machines of the usual scheme.
Only the layout is compact.

[Shurik70]

Quote: voyaka uh

Do Tavor, do not forget, the barrel is the same length as the machines of the usual scheme.
Only the layout is compact.

Well, yes, although it looks unusual, but the caliber is serious. And the store can be made differently, even with a box of 100 rounds.
We need healthy competition and a variety of models so that as a result several ideals are found.

[inkass_98]

Quote: voyaka uh

Further 600 m machine gunners and snipers shoot.

So what am I talking about? Why such a powerful cartridge for the machine? It is clearly redundant, a regular intermediate cartridge in the same caliber would have been quite suitable.

[Lganhi]

A powerful cartridge with a heavy bullet and high flight speed is needed not for firing further than 600 m, but in order to confidently penetrate body armor of enemy soldiers at a distance of 50 - 200 m (at such a distance a battle is usually fought).

[inkass_98]

Quote: Lgankhi

so that at a distance of 50 - 200 m (at such a distance a battle is usually fought) confidently penetrate body armor of enemy soldiers.

Take something like SP-5 / SP-6 and get what you are looking for. A rifle cartridge is not needed.
Or, for example, the 7,62x39 PSU (7Н23) will also work for the same purposes, but it will be easier and cheaper than the 7,62x54R.

[Lganhi]

SP-5 / SP-6 bullet with subsonic flight speed, their penetration is very low. 7,62 * 39 also has a low initial flight speed - only 715 m / s, and the bullet weighs 7,9 g. While the cartridge 7,62 * 51 has a bullet weight of 9,3 g and an initial speed of 840 m / s . 7,62 * 54 is generally not suitable for machine guns, since it has a flange, and it is impossible to make a 30-round box magazine of acceptable sizes for such a cartridge.
The ABC store has 15 rounds and is impressive. If there are 30 rounds, it will be doubled and will be comparable to the 45-round magazine for RPK-74.

[inkass_98]

Quote: Lgankhi

7,62 * 54 is generally not suitable for machines

I gave her as an example. The penetration of the 7,62 BP bullet is more than three times greater than the cartridge with the PS bullet. At a range of 200 m, the armor-piercing core of the cartridge bullet pierces the 5-mm armor plate of the 2P brand, and at 250 m the bulletproof bulletproof vest of the 6Б5 type. At the same time, the trajectory of the bullet of the new cartridge with the PS bullet is provided., I.e. to defeat lightly armored targets and soldiers in the SIZ, this is enough at a distance of ordinary combat.
In addition, the recoil of the shot and the mass of the rifle cartridge is much higher than that of the intermediate one, respectively, with approximately the same combat characteristics, the ammunition will be significantly less. You already mentioned the size of the store.
About SP-5 and SP-6. Subsonic cartridges are given as an example of a heavy bullet (weight 16 g.). The bullet of the SP-5 cartridge is capable of penetrating the 1-2 body armor of protection class, the car door, a sheet of plain steel with a thickness of 6 mm. The SP-6 cartridge bullet is capable of piercing 8 mm steel sheet at a distance of 100 m or hitting a target protected by 2-3 body armor of protection class at 300-400 meters. Those. also fit into the concept, but have smaller dimensions than 7,62x51 and 7,62x54.

[Genry]

Quote: inkass_98

The bullet of the SP-6 cartridge is capable of piercing an 8 mm steel sheet at a distance of 100 m or hitting a target protected by a body armor of 2-3 protection classes at 300-400 meters. Those. also fit into the concept, but have smaller dimensions than 7,62x51 and 7,62x54.

In the concept of what? The energy of the bullet is very low, the modern bulletproof vest does not penetrate, the speed of the bullet is suitable only for firing at stationary or closely located targets, the weight of the cartridge surges ...
Ours also need a cartridge similar to 7,62x51, but the quality of the powder must be significantly improved. Won with good gunpowder Grendel 6,5x39 has an energy close to 7,62x51 or 7,62x54.

[Lganhi]

The SP bullet has a weight of 16 g, the total weight of the cartridge is 24 g, which is comparable to the weight of the cartridge 7,62 * 54, that is, there is no sense for the fighter to use the SP cartridge, the weight is the same, but the armor penetration and the range of the direct shot are useless. No wonder 9 * 39 remains a specific and rare weapon for special operations where weapons with a silencer are required.

[Maz]

Quote: voyaka uh

"In any case, this machine is not intended for firing further than 400-600 m" ///

NO automatic is designed to fire further than 400-600 m.
Further 600 m machine gunners and snipers shoot.
Do Tavor, do not forget, the barrel is the same length as the machines of the usual scheme.
Only the layout is compact.

Only the center of gravity of her even more with a cartridge 7, 62 will press on the shoulders of the shooter. The cartridge is heavier, and Vintar is already unbalanced, and also a cartridge with a heavy bullet. And what did they say about the price? At least $ 1000 for one iron. Who will buy it if there is a "Hackler and Koch" perfectly worked out in every conceivable theater of war and at about the same price. We got used to getting 100% of the fat, but here there are no fools. Let him tackle them with arms.

[Jedi]

A bit more about TAVOR 7:

TAVOR 7 will be available with 16 and 18 inch barrels and three color options. In this case, the pitch of the rifling model with a short barrel will be 1:12, and with a long - 1:10. TAVOR 7 will be completely ambidextral (the controls are duplicated and equally convenient for left-handed and right-handed people). In retail, the rifle will go with a magazine for 20 rounds (with the possibility of limiting it to 10 depending on local laws). The first country where the TAVOR 7 will be available for sale will be the United States. Sales there are scheduled to begin in January 2018, while the price of weapons has not yet been announced.

Source: http://warspot.ru/9416-tavory-naraschivayut-kalib
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[PAM]

so why use 7,62x51?

the development of bulletproof vests, an increase in the number of light armored vehicles (based on civilian SUVs), and their widespread introduction into the armed forces of all countries, the displacement (for the most part) of military operations in settlements (a large number of all kinds of shelter barricades), which encourages a return to heavy (and powerful) ammunition, which at one time was considered excessive in power, heavy, expensive.

[corporal]

Why bull dad .308? Would take normal HK-417 or SIG-716

[seos]

There is a return to the rifle cartridge as the main .... intermediate leaves ..
So far, "experts" have stated that the revolution in small arms has not yet occurred more and more developed countries, are adopting assault rifles with a rifle cartridge ...

[corporal]

Quote: seos

intermediate leaves ..

Then new ones appear, like 6.8x43 and 6.5x39

[The leader of the Redskins]

At exhibitions, I tried several times to pick up "bull-dad." I don’t know - it’s unusual for me ...

[_Jack_]

I agree, his grip is uncomfortable, although it may need to get used to

[Talgat 148]

Get used to not long! It is very easy and quick to learn! I really liked X95 5.56 and 5.45 I tried the identity, but the Soviet 5.45 very much contaminated weapons, it takes a long time to clean. But 5.56 no problem. Very convenient and harmonious device !!!

[Oleg7700]

IWI advertisement for Tavor 7 (mag. 20 rounds)

[zmeigavrila]

And I personally don’t like bullpups. Flushing shell faces and powder gases are also in the face. Somehow it’s uncomfortable

[Professor]

Quote: zmeigavrila

And I personally don’t like bullpups. Flushing shell faces and powder gases are also in the face. Somehow it’s uncomfortable

From personal experience?

[Normal ok]

Interestingly, TAVOR, with 2008, is licensed in Ukraine.

[Oleg7700]

Many people like this movie, with shooting ...