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Scientists against myths or how to get the "Bronze Reptiloid"

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"The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters"
(Francisco Goya, 1797)



The great Confucius once said that teaching without thinking is useless, but thinking without teaching is dangerous. And it is clear why. A set of information without thinking about them has no value. But it's silly to think if you don't have information on the problem. But what if you own a limited amount of information and build your reasoning on the basis of incomplete knowledge? Then, then it is quite possible to say about such people that he sleeps and has a dream. After all, in a dream, our brain also functions and sometimes even quite well, let us remember at least the same Mendeleev with his table, and many others. But still, where, as often as we see, in a dream something is completely different, rather nonsense than reality, an unprecedented combination of experienced impressions.


Here it is - "Sad reptiloid."

In a dream, a person does not think exactly, he is captured by the game of his own imagination, but just as he can be captured by the attractive images of his imagination, arising from incomplete knowledge. So, Alexander Kazantsev, by his youth, came up with an electromagnetic gun, made her model and even made his way to reception with Sergo Ordzhonikidze. “You’re looking for all the upholstery on the walls,” he said after shooting a nail at the wall and immediately ordered to help the young inventor. And what should I say? “Go, young man and learn!” Because at that time such a tool could not really be created. Even problems with him today, and already in the 30-s, it was only good for the novel “Burning Island”.

Scientists against myths or how to get the "Bronze Reptiloid"

I am working now on the textbook “PR-design and PR-promotion”, and this information “fell” into the topic. There will be a chapter - “PR-promotion with the help of bronze and silver. But it is bad that there will be no pictures. But ... they can be placed here and clearly show that the "netlenka" of bronze and silver attracts attention and, accordingly, arouses interest in the object of awarding. I would give this sculpture of the Penza sculptor Igor Zeynalov as a sign of high achievements to our ... politicians. To not be arrogant! After all, Trotsky also achieved a lot of things ...

Today it's kind of worse. Knowledge is acquired very easily. But their volume has increased many times. Therefore, the work of mastering them is difficult. And as you know, there is nothing more contrary to human nature than hard work. Spend years reading many books? What for? When you can read just one book! Explore all 104 Egyptian pyramids? Not enough time or money. So let's see just one, but more.


For achievements in the field of chemistry, you can present here such a Mendeleev!

Considering the slab in the tomb in the pyramid at the temple in Palenque? So after all it is necessary to fly to Mexico 13 hours. Troublesome, and expensive, and most importantly - for what, when everything is on the Internet. And there are two types of images. One banal, another interesting. It remains to choose. And if you choose “interesting,” you save both time and energy, but then you have to admit and then assert that this is an image of an astronaut in a rocket, and everything else is nothing but an attempt by bad scientists to hide the truth. And then it turns out that there are people in your environment who have never heard of anything like that, so even your incomplete knowledge is the same for them as the Academy of Sciences. It is clear that it is pleasant to feel a sense of self-worth, as well as attention to one’s own person. There is such a thing as exhibitionism, but there is also an intellectual exhibitionism, and what can I do in the Internet age - nothing!


And this Churchill is also a politician, but only a beginner!

When the Chinese want to wish you the worst, they say: what would you live in times of change! Because traditions break, culture dies, and a new one appears, but it breaks out very slowly. Let's take a bit of this: a century, as sociologists say, is the life of three generations. Moreover, these three generations were supposed to live in conditions of stability. That is, if serfdom in Russia was abolished in the 1861 year, this meant that only by 1961 could the complete replacement of the feudal paternalistic consciousness and its characteristic culture occur. What happened? The 1917 revolution of the year was made by the children of yesterday’s slaves and ... what kind of consciousness and culture did they have and what did they bring to the cities during industrialization?

Finally, by 1991, at least some semblance of a new culture was formed and — bang — again the collapse of everything and everything and everything again!


And this is Robespierre Bell. "For whom the Bell Tolls? He calls you! ”

So it’s not surprising that there is a rift in the closets and wobbling in the minds. Today in Russia, the psychological climate is the same as in Russia at the beginning of the century and ... the same distrust of official science, the same “searches” for deep roots, “ultimate truth”. And the same flowering of pseudoscience. Become very popular stories about all sorts of secret societies ruling the world, because the average man in the middle mind is just incomprehensible how his world could be broken, just yesterday it was so durable and reliable. So, “digging the Black Sea” against this general background of such fabrications is just nothing more than an insignificant particular. It is difficult to resist this, because there are always more fools than people who are truly literate and reasonable.

Today, within the framework of the forum “Scientists Against Myths - 5”, which was organized by the portal Anthropogenesis.ru and the Evolution Foundation, a solemn ceremony was held to award the creators of the most popular pseudoscientific theories with the title of academician of the Prudent Academy Pseudonauk and the original prize, made in the form sculptures of a sad but very cute reptiloid.

The Vrunicheskaya Academy of Pseudo-Lazhnauk or VRLA is a project of the anthropogenesis.ru research and educational portal and the Evolution Foundation. This “prestigious” organization, whose members are by choice people who “have made an outstanding contribution to Russian pseudoscience”. Well, the election of candidates for academicians is the responsibility of readers of popular science electronic resources by means of Internet voting. In this case, the nomination of one or another LIE can anyone. Moreover, neither the personality of the scientist himself, nor his research topics have any significance: they can be businessmen, and writers, and parapsychologists, and HIV dissidents, people with advanced degrees, and just those who spread pseudo-scientific ideas. All have the same chance of "success."


This, of course, is a prize for physicists!

The procedure for awarding the title of academic pseudoscience consists of several stages. In the semifinal, candidates are put forward in specially created groups in popular social networks, for example, Vkontak and Facebook. Then the jury, which includes the portal organizers and invited experts, selects the most popular candidates in the number of 10 people, and votes for the finalist. The election of an academician takes place at a ceremony in the framework of the forum "Scientists against myths." The finalists, who received the second and third places, are awarded the title “Corresponding Member of VRLA”, and the main winner is awarded a diploma from the Honorary Academician of the Vrunicheskoy Academy Lzhenauk and the main prize of the forum - the “Sad Reptiloid” statuette. Its design was developed by a talented sculptor Nikita Makletsov, and it depicts a thoughtful alien reptiloid sitting on the top of the Egyptian pyramid, on the basis of which the inscription “Scientists cheat” was made.


This is what Dracula does not know anyone and offer. But handsome dog!

Why and where such a design and explanation is not particularly required. After all, today we all know that without the help of the green-skinned scaly aliens from space, the Egyptians could not build the pyramids.

The first presentation of the award “Honorary Academic VRLA” took place in 2016 year. Then the corresponding members of the LEG were declared satirical writer Mikhail Zadornov (in the nomination for the love of the etymology of the Russian word), and of course Anatoly Fomenko, author of the pseudo-historical fundamental work “New Chronology”. Well, the winner, who was awarded the title of academician, was Irina Yermakova, the main activist of the Russian anti-GMO movement, who claims that the genetically modified products were actually created by an alien civilization to the people. Ernst Muldashev, Igor Prokopenko, Valery Chudinov and a number of other equally prominent supporters of various pseudoscientific theories also appeared in the top ten of the semi-finalists.


"Sweet couple". Again, who is to serve? Is that at the corporate condom manufacturers?

And just recently, namely 21 on October 2017, the regular forum "Scientists Against Myths - 5" was held, where the titles of the "Vorunicheskoy Academy of Sciences" were awarded for the second time. The jury included Stanislav Drobyshevsky - Russian anthropologist and popularizer of science, television and radio host Ivan Zatevakhin, astrophysicist Boris Stern and several others. The jury gave lectures exposing the false and pseudoscientific theories that are multiplying today like mushrooms after rain. It was told about the secrets of Caucasian dolmens, myths, wound around the culture of ancient Babylon, and the UN expert on the assessment of environmental change Nikolai Dronin gave a report on the "global climatology conspiracy." According to the results of the vote, Grigory Alfeyev (Metropolitan Hilarion) received the title of “Honorary Academician of VRLA” with the award of “Reptiloid” for his “invaluable contribution to the introduction of theology into the Russian education system” and even more so - in 2016 he headed the Joint Thesis Council on Theology . Last year’s candidate, Igor Prokopenko, deputy general director of the REN TV channel, author and producer of a number of high-profile projects, also reached the final. Olga Kovekh, the main ideologist of HIV-dissident groups, who refused to recognize HIV, viral hepatitis, the Ebola virus, as well as the benefit of vaccination, became the finalist No. XXUMX.


Ready prize for all lovers of musical folklore!

So at least in this way, but the scientific community and all sensible Russians celebrate the heroes of “trade in dope for the people.” However, first of all our common mentality is to blame for this, it’s not for nothing that Pushkin in his tragedy Boris Godunov wrote “And she feeds on fables!” “She” is a mob, and despite all the revolutions and changes we have, unfortunately still missing. The cultural level and the degree of consistency of our fellow citizens will change, and the demand for all these science subversors will dissipate like the morning mist under the sun!


P.S. But still, remember that all this is not written "just like that." "And at gunpoint." In fact, scientists are really hiding everything and that is exactly how they are cracking down on everyone who brings them to clean water. Oh, oh, oh, oh!
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  1. XII Legion
    XII Legion 7 November 2017 06: 56 New
    20
    The bronze miniature is very peculiar and expensive
    And I have such a bronze minotaur from Crete by the way
    Brother brought

    Entertaining article
    Thank you
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 November 2017 07: 03 New
      +9
      This is what Dracula does not know who to offer.
      and what we have "bloodsuckers" is not enough? it is possible for insurers, or it can be communal services, or it is possible just for the government.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 7 November 2017 07: 55 New
    +4
    Ponabegut, now adherents of Fomenko, Nosovsky and the rest ... Not much will seem ... smile
    1. Velizariy
      Velizariy 7 November 2017 08: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      Ponabegut, now adherents of Fomenko, Nosovsky

      It has not been seen for a long time, maybe they decided to be treated?)
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 7 November 2017 10: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Velizariy
        It has not been seen for a long time, maybe they decided to be treated?)

        Autumn exacerbation requires hospitalization. laughing
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  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 7 November 2017 07: 56 New
    +5
    Umberto Eco is doing very well in Foucault's Pendulum, he even came up with a virtual pseudoscience educational institution. The faculty of cacopragmasophia would now be the most demanded wink .
  4. mar4047083
    mar4047083 7 November 2017 07: 58 New
    +5
    Let your artist cast aluminum in Antropogenesis.ru with a merry Penguinoid. You will hand it to the most talented VO commentators for your enormous contribution to the study of gallogroups. For the most talented authors of articles exposing the intrigues of the freemasons, hand over the larger Penguin drinker made in tin (only as an exam, let them retell what they wrote half a year ago).
    1. Curious
      Curious 7 November 2017 09: 40 New
      +3
      I am for cast iron and lead. Or depleted uranium.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 November 2017 19: 17 New
        0
        Of course, I'm not an expert, but something tells me that gold is cheaper than depleted uranium. But in general, can something be cast from uranium?
        1. brn521
          brn521 8 November 2017 11: 48 New
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          Quote: 3x3zsave
          something tells me that gold is cheaper than depleted uranium.

          Once uranium glass was mass produced. And now they produce it just for decorative elements.
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 8 July 2018 15: 40 New
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          Quote: 3x3zsave
          something tells me that gold is cheaper than depleted uranium. But in general, can something be cast from uranium?

          Drive this “something” in the neck! Depleted uranium is a waste of production, little suitable for anything - there is still activity! The cores of sub-caliber shells are made of it precisely taking into account the use only on the territory of the enemy - and as cheap tungsten substitute. By the way, to cast from it that figurine, that the shell’s core is not difficult - the melting temperature, like cast iron, must be sieved in a protective atmosphere so as not to catch fire.
      2. mar4047083
        mar4047083 7 November 2017 20: 02 New
        +1
        Very impractical advice, this does not look like you, Viktor Nikolayevich. Where do we get a blast furnace? If lead, then shipping will cost us dearly. And for the storage of radioactive materials, and even more so for their distribution, we will receive a considerable period. Not good. The material should be lightweight, inexpensive and so that it can be processed at home.
    2. kalibr
      7 November 2017 10: 46 New
      +4
      It is complicated and expensive! Better "Lead Ass" or "Couch Ass". That I could do!
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 7 November 2017 11: 21 New
        11
        That I could do!

        theoretically, making clay out of a mold and filling it with lead .. what lead seems to have all been melted in childhood. wink
        Dear forum users! I will cover the topic of the article in the following comments, but now I want to notify you. You can’t live without women, even on a forum, especially when, as a rule, only one representative of the fair sex takes part in our thread. So, Elena (ruskih) on the fifth Birthday! As if, many of us are absent at the weekend, but I suggest congratulating her on everyone now, when they are all together. Elena - happiness, health, prosperity to you and your family, may all be well with you! love Well, and from us personally - new communication, you perfectly brighten up the judgments of our bearded, mustachio-haired, rude male forum! good
        1. mar4047083
          mar4047083 7 November 2017 20: 13 New
          +3
          I join in your congratulations. I wish happiness to Elena and more positive.
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 7 November 2017 22: 01 New
            +3
            Marat, thanks !!! love
        2. ruskih
          ruskih 7 November 2017 22: 00 New
          +3
          Thank you very much for your congratulations! love
          I always enjoy visiting the “corner of tranquility”, where such interesting interlocutors gather: smart, thinking, with a subtle sense of humor. I love reading your comments and traveling with you.
          May all of you be well! love
      2. mar4047083
        mar4047083 7 November 2017 20: 08 New
        +1
        Good idea. No need to pay money for copyright. Sculpt the octopus, Vyacheslav Olegovich. And the head and back in one place.
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 7 November 2017 08: 37 New
    +4
    If you pick your wand g @ out, then it will not become smaller, and the stench will rise only more. I didn’t even know most of the works and the “scientists” of science themselves, the nominees. And I think not one such. But now what PR to them all over the country. When you go to the bookstore, there are whole racks of "scientists" in science. Here are their ideas and roam among the people. And very few can afford to come to the forum in the capital. I sympathize with the brothers Sokolov and Co. in their fight against windmills.
  6. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 7 November 2017 09: 25 New
    +4
    Of course, Mr. Shpakovsky hi will defend his point of view - this is his right yes
    Like everyone else who supports officialdom and who does not support officialdom request
    But the bottom line is that such a confrontation will ALWAYS be! For official science (we will call history a science) for so many questions either cannot give a clear answer, or the answer will be so absurd that it will be very difficult for a thinking mind to believe in the storytelling of official history. Therefore, there will be a part of people who disagree with official science and are looking for answers to their questions. yes
    Official science with such “bonuses” will only turn away some people request , for it is simply an imposition of one’s point of view ...
    PS. I was taught by a historian (the land rest in peace for him - he was a good man), so he answered questions that he couldn’t answer, “Don’t be clever, Glinsky, but the bison that is written in the textbook” ... Nothing has changed, because official historians still say - believe in what you are told, and do not go where we do not need ....
    That's why I don’t believe historians request
    Personally, my opinion hi
    1. Barcid
      Barcid 7 November 2017 09: 53 New
      18
      You are not right. You just had a bad historian.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 7 November 2017 09: 57 New
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        Quote: Barcid
        You just had a bad historian.

        Which already requestAs a teacher giving what is written in the curriculum, there are no questions for him yes And what is better than those who today defend only one opinion, declaring others heresy? what
      2. kalibr
        7 November 2017 10: 42 New
        +6
        He studied in a pedyushnik from 1972 to 77. Prepared for the teachers of the land. Half of the students were from the village. Learned somehow! But this turned a blind eye. At the end of the village did not go. By hook or by crook. We went - the townspeople. Where did it go? Went to school!!! Somehow I meet one ... Well, she was a fool. But now the head teacher! Which one is a historian? Like from r ... bullet. But ... it works! I know a school where knights and historians still drown in Lake Peipsi. And the guys listen to them and laugh to themselves ...
    2. kalibr
      7 November 2017 10: 36 New
      +5
      You know - the whole thing is in%. There is, say, 20% of what historians respond to and 1% of what they don't. Is it possible on the basis of this 1% to recline all 20%?
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Nothing has changed, for official historians still say - believe what you are told, and do not go where we do not need ....

      I wrote somewhere - take my word for it? On the contrary, I always invite myself to read newspapers, indicate the names of the articles in them and the year of issue, referring to VARIOUS studies of DIFFERENT authors. Do you think someone took advantage of this? Not! But then he says, however - I DO NOT BELIEVE! Does he even know what to believe? Eh, nothing has changed here - she feeds on fables!
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 7 November 2017 15: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        I wrote somewhere - take my word for it

        I do not argue with you, Vyacheslav. You are interested in reading, especially about castles. The problem with historians is that, in my personal opinion, they too believe in their history and reject any alternative opinions. What is easier is to get together with interested parties, put all the evidence on the table, take into account the arguments of your opponents, and come to a common denominator. But historians flatly refuse to do this. It’s easier to come up with an explanation for the discussion that will satisfy them than to prove the opposite to the opponents. Therefore, they will teach us what is sometimes contrary to common sense. hi
    3. Curious
      Curious 7 November 2017 10: 37 New
      11
      Then you must be consistent to the end and not believe physicists, chemists, biologists, mathematicians, astronomers (generally pseudoscience) and so on until the end of the list of all known sciences.
      And about believing the doctors. not worth talking at all. Who in their right mind believes doctors?
      Because all of them have questions that official representatives of these sciences cannot give clear answers. Moreover, already seemingly established truths suddenly become sources of violent conflict. So recently, among physicists, a serious conflict has flared up around the theory of relativity.
      "Can dogmatism in science contribute to the moral and technical progress of mankind? Is science capable of developing without free discussion of various ideas, scientific methods and results among professional scientists? Obviously not! And all the more blasphemously hammered the absurd, untested ideas of the theory of relativity (even non-negotiable!) "young fragile souls" in the process of their education at school and universities (unscrupulously taking advantage of the need for students to get good grades). It is unlikely that this state of affairs in science can satisfy people who seek knowledge of the truth. disturb the decline in the general level of education in Russia (and in the world). "
      This is from the appeal of a group of physicists to the international scientific community. There are dozens of signatures.
      Mathematicians have their own “skeletons in the closet” in the form of Millennium Prize Problems (the millennium problems) - seven mathematical problems characterized as “important classical problems whose solution has not been found for many years now”. For each of these tasks, the Clay Institute has offered a reward of $ 1. True, the hypothesis of Poincare Gregory Perelman "split", but turned out to be from the prize.
      The "official" biologists are haunted by anti-evolutionists who demand to repeat the transformation of a monkey into a person. And so you can walk almost the entire series and any official science will have its own creationists.
      It seems to me that we just need to not forget that there is no absolute knowledge and we have not yet grown up to the answers to some questions.
      Truth is historical, it is "a child of its time." The concept of finite or unchanging truth is just a ghost.
      Each epoch is nourished by the illusion that finally, as a result of the painful efforts of previous generations and contemporaries, the promised land of true truth was reached, the thought rose to the top, from where there was nowhere to go further. But time passes, and it turns out that it was not the top at all, but only a small mound, which is often simply trampled down or, at best, used as a support for further lifting, which has no end ...
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 7 November 2017 14: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Curious
        Then you must be consistent to the end and not believe

        I don’t believe request All of the listed sciences have questions, for our "civilization" is still at the level of the Pithecanthropus in comparison with the ideal in the knowledge of the world. BUT! Physics, chemistry, mathematics, biology can still change their dogmas by virtue of the found solutions to controversial issues. History does not accept this! It is because of history that all fuss takes place. It is doubtful to me that historians admit that the Kulikovo field is far-fetched to where it is located on officialdom. request But no one raises the question of the Shlimanovskaya "Three", although it is already clear that this was a falsification. Because you have to revise a lot. It was the inertness of historians that led to the emergence of the "New Chronology", and Sundakov, and the LAI, and many other alternatives yes
        1. Curious
          Curious 7 November 2017 15: 15 New
          +7
          Alternative specialists appeared long before historians had time to stiffen.
          Back in the XNUMXth century in France, Jean Guardouin, analyzing the “Messages of Saint Chrysostom to the Monk Caesar,” he suggested that most of the works of supposedly ancient authors (Cassiodorus, Isidore of Seville, Saint Justin Martyr, etc.) were created many centuries later, then are fictitious and falsified. The commotion among the then historians was terrible. In addition, Garduan, unlike the current altistorics, was a very authoritative person and one of the most educated people of his time.
          But that is not all. Guardouin, continuing the investigation, came to the conclusion that most books of classical antiquity - with the exception of the speeches of Cicero, the Satyr of Horace, the Natural History of Pliny and the George of Virgil, are falsifications created by the 1729th-century monks and introduced into European cultural life. The same applies to works of art, to coins, to the materials of Church Councils (until the XNUMXth century), and even to the Greek translation of the Old Testament and the supposedly Greek text of the New Testament. Providing numerous evidence, Garduan showed that Christ and the Apostles - if they existed - should have prayed in Latin. The theses of the Jesuit scholar again shocked the scientific community, especially since this time the argument was very significant. The Jesuit Order imposed a penalty on the scientist and demanded a refutation, which, however, was presented in the most formal colors. After the death of the scientist that followed in XNUMX, scientific battles between his supporters and more numerous opponents continued. Passions heated the found working records of Garduan, in which he directly referred to church historiography as "the fruit of a secret conspiracy against the true faith."
          So Uwe Topper with his "Falsification of History", where he declared Priam's treasure a fake, nervously smokes on the sidelines. By the way, Priam’s treasure was declared a fake, but irrefutable evidence was never provided.
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 7 November 2017 15: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Curious
            Alternative specialists appeared long before historians had time to stiffen.

            Alas, skepticism and the arguments of those doubters do not convince today's historians no
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 7 November 2017 15: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Curious
        astronomers (generally pseudoscience)

        Shaw, we believe in a flat Earth wink laughing ?
        1. Curious
          Curious 7 November 2017 15: 23 New
          +2
          About a flat Earth is geography. And astronomers with a clever look and amazing confidence talk about objects that no one has ever seen and is unlikely to see soon. White dwarfs, red dwarfs, black holes, quasars, pulsars, the big bang theory. Who can believe that?
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 7 November 2017 15: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: Curious
            Who can believe that?

            Astronomy is a science of observation that has absorbed physics, chemistry, and mathematics. Therefore, astronomers are not prone to dogmatism, and also try to find answers to their questions using accessible methods. And in what you have described, there are more theories, not axioms. Because astronomy is volatile against the backdrop of new evidence. Unlike history hi
            1. mar4047083
              mar4047083 7 November 2017 20: 54 New
              +1
              Believe in flat land before it's too late. There is new evidence. Do not listen to Curious. he is deceiving you.
        2. mar4047083
          mar4047083 7 November 2017 20: 49 New
          0
          And what, you still do not believe in flat earth? In vain. Well-known scientists have proven. REN TV once again breaks the veil.
          1. ICT
            ICT 7 November 2017 21: 02 New
            0
            they themselves say that more and more people support them all over the world ball wassat
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 November 2017 21: 39 New
            +2
            He believed, Marat, believed in flat land, until he bought a car. And it seems that in St. Petersburg there is a super-flat land, but without a “handbrake” it is an infection machine, all one, it is trying to roll somewhere. Conclusion - The land is sloping.
      3. Mikado
        Mikado 7 November 2017 15: 26 New
        +2
        And about believing the doctors. not worth talking at all. Who in their right mind believes doctors?

        really. good Sometimes you trust the Good Doctor, then you will not agree on some issues of social development, so he also chop off a thread for you request laughing drinks
      4. kalibr
        7 November 2017 17: 27 New
        +2
        Curious What a good and smart person wrote it ....
        1. Curious
          Curious 7 November 2017 17: 34 New
          +1
          You wanted to say that the author of the comment is a good person and not stupid?
      5. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 November 2017 20: 36 New
        +2
        Bravo! Victor Nikolaevich, bravo !!!
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 7 November 2017 23: 42 New
          0
          Viktor Nikolaevich quietly broke his brain to everyone who read to the end wassat good
      6. brn521
        brn521 8 November 2017 12: 58 New
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        Quote: Curious
        Then you have to be consistent to the end and not believe physicists

        There is no need to drag physics here. There, for a practical scientist to experimentally refute the theory that is currently fundamental, it is a very serious achievement. And if it doesn’t work out, the result will go to the piggy bank of science anyway. In the same way, the theorist must not only understand the basic theory, but also be prepared to create a new one or modify the old one to the desired condition.
        Quote: Curious
        And about believing the doctors. not worth talking at all. Who in their right mind believes doctors?

        The business itself kills medicine in general and pharmacology in particular. Until government regulation intervenes. In the same way, politics and ideology are killing history as a science.
        Quote: Curious
        Because all of them have questions that official representatives of these sciences cannot give clear answers.

        As a result, new theories are created that solve both these questions and the old ones.
        Quote: Curious
        And even more so blasphemously hammered the absurd, unverified ideas of the theory of relativity (not even subject to discussion!) To "young fragile souls" in the process of their formation at school and universities

        And why, then? We study the methodology as an example of this theory. It is possible by the example of the theory of ether, but the theory of relativity is more practical. You can come up with something better - a flag in your hands. You can even create your own theory as a thesis, the main thing is to show how you got used to the methodology. But only in order to hold it to the candidate and especially the doctoral, it is necessary to really make a discovery.
        Quote: Curious
        Anti-evolutionists demanding “repeat” the transformation of a monkey into a human being haunted by “official” biologists

        Yes, no problem, genetics is on the way. They will make a person, as you order, even from a monkey, even from a cockroach. The problem is not in the proof of the existence of evolution, but in the mechanisms that support it. Not everyone believes in a magical, fabulously long chain of incredible accidents. It is much more logical to assume that genetics have muddied life on earth.
        Quote: Curious
        at best used as a support for further lifting, which has no end ...

        Why is there no end? You can easily stop. For example, to reduce all science to axiomatics and refer to Aristotle each time. And so for millennia. But for this it is necessary to exclude competition between countries, bring globalization to the end and finally form a world government that will determine the fate of all mankind as a whole. The bureaucratic apparatus will determine the only true technologies and theories, and their change is recognized as inappropriate and excessively costly. Or turn the whole world into a barracks. Or else some indecency will inflict. And that’s all. There will be no one to explain to him that he is wrong, unless some green men will visit with aggressive intentions.
    4. Cartalon
      Cartalon 7 November 2017 13: 10 New
      +1
      Although Glinsky was just the same, I didn’t limit myself to the textbook and didn’t bother the teachers, because the teacher has a program and he’s unlikely to go beyond it, tons of information can be found if you wish.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 7 November 2017 14: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Cartalon
        but somehow he didn’t limit himself to the textbook and didn’t bother the teachers because the teacher has a program and he’s unlikely to go beyond it; tons of information can be found if you wish.

        So I was not limited. But if you study, then you must respond to questions and give explanations so that you do not encounter an alternative point of view on the exam wink
        1. kalibr
          7 November 2017 18: 54 New
          +2
          You know, I was born in a family of teachers, my grandfather was the head of the city, and history books for a variety of years — day, evening, shift school ... working youth, labor school ... From 1937 to 1962 ... were stacked in the barn. And there was no greater pleasure for me than to read and compare them - here it is, here it is ... At first it surprised me and outraged. Is it really impossible to reduce everything to one? But the more I read, the more ... I learned more and realized that the requirement to find the ONE truth is wrong. You can immerse yourself in it endlessly. And to refute is stupid. Sorry, Rurikovich, but ... I would not be surprised (or not so surprised) if you were a candidate of historical sciences, and would come to my conclusions ... after working in the archives. But from a layman, excuse me, listen to this, well ... somehow ... not good. Tons of information are waiting for you, and conclusions ... conclusions will come after!
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 7 November 2017 19: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            Tons of information are waiting for you, and conclusions ... conclusions will come after!

            I do not argue. Someone is lucky to work with archives, and someone should be content only with what they have. Then why, having archives at hand, the story is written somehow unconvincingly. Or will I have to believe historians only on the basis of what they write textbooks guided by accurate data? Then why do historians have such a negative attitude to “NH” - after all, Fomenko also works with archives.
            Yes. Let's say my opinion is wrong. But then convince me. I accept a different point of view if it is logical. Simple and robust. Then why do official historians cannot give a sound and simple answer to some questions, begin to persuade us in something? .... Why, working in the Fomenko archives, gives some simple answers to some questions, but historians cannot?
            I just want to hear answers to some questions of historical discrepancies. As a layman. So let Vyacheslav Olegovich, as a historian and specialist, refute Fomenko’s quite sound judgments about the Mongol-Tatar “yoke” (from my bell tower) and make it so that I myself would come to the conclusion that the opinion of historians on that period of history is REALLY true. Without reference there are different to the contemporary works of contemporary historians. Just as a specialist, tell simply and logically, on your fingers, it can be said why I should believe in the conquest of the ghostly Tatar-Mongols thousands of kilometers from the type of my homeland (do not confuse Gumilyov with his passionarity), and not accept what then with his ridiculous "unbearable" tithes was not yes
            I repeat - I'm not an inveterate adept of some alternative people. I just want to know simple, logical and robust answers to your questions. request
            hi
    5. BAI
      BAI 7 November 2017 17: 17 New
      +2
      The recognition of any discovery goes in 3 stages:
      1. This cannot be.
      2. There is something to it.
      3. I always talked about this.
      When we get to the 3rd stage (or the topic dies before reaching it), then we can give ratings, which is true, that is not true.
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist 7 November 2017 09: 31 New
    +4
    Thanks for the cool figurines, they are all interesting. Personally, I liked it: the "musician" is so pleased with the pack and Cherchel that the dog, that he looks like. I forgot, but the “chemist” with the bottle: “here she is my beloved”
  8. brn521
    brn521 7 November 2017 10: 20 New
    +3
    Stories about all kinds of secret societies that rule the world are becoming very popular, because it is simply incomprehensible to the average man how he could break his world, which was so durable and reliable just yesterday.

    They have always been popular. Because it is based on the simplest fact that has been tested many times in practice, the masses themselves are not capable of anything. Only the organization is able to provide some kind of stability and efficiency. And if there are states, then there may well be something above states. This is logical, simple and clear, there are historical examples.
    Moreover, there are much more popular myths, for example, fairy tales about the magical role of democracy and the free market in the progress and formation of a developed society. Apologists for the free market with their myths about how, with its help, poor countries are equated with rich ones, and neither Zadornov nor Fomenko lay with anyone nearby. And their creations are studied and guided by them, despite the accumulated negative statistics of practical application. These same "scientists" who, against myths, have hinted at something like that? No, it's just clowns that entertain the audience.
    1. kalibr
      7 November 2017 10: 44 New
      +4
      The success criterion for any theory is practice!
      1. Karen
        Karen 7 November 2017 13: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        The success criterion for any theory is practice!

        Or you can do otherwise:
        There is nothing more practical than a correct theory!
      2. brn521
        brn521 8 November 2017 11: 44 New
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        The success criterion for any theory is practice!

        That is the point. Practice shows that when you are already rich, democracy and a free market make you even richer. And the poor play the role of squirrels in the wheel, working in the end for you. You just need to make sure that the squirrel does not get too thin, throwing loans, allowances and tranches from the IMF.
  9. BRONEVIK
    BRONEVIK 7 November 2017 10: 41 New
    18
    The author’s collection is beautiful
    The article is interesting
    And philosophical questions can be pondered over a glass of brandy or a glass of beer wink
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 7 November 2017 11: 22 New
      +6
      And philosophical questions can be pondered over a glass of brandy or a glass of beer

      so you can damn what to speculate wink drinks
      1. BRONEVIK
        BRONEVIK 7 November 2017 12: 02 New
        17
        This is exactly
        And imagine themselves reptilians laughing
        drinks
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 7 November 2017 12: 34 New
          +6
          And imagine themselves reptilians

          Dmitry - does not count wink laughing he is normal! drinks
          1. kalibr
            7 November 2017 18: 45 New
            +3
            When he doesn’t write poetry about Soviet power ...
      2. Curious
        Curious 7 November 2017 13: 08 New
        +8
        If you argue correctly, and brandy is used in quality and in reasonable quantities, the result of reflection should be something like the following: "The mountain of knowledge has no peak. Truths known by science at a particular historical stage cannot be considered final. They are relative, if necessary. that is, truths that need further development, deepening, clarification. Each subsequent theory as compared to the previous one is more complete and deeper knowledge. The entire rational content of the previous theory is part of the new one. Only the claim is marked by science as if it were exhaustive. The old theory is interpreted as part of the new theory as relative truth, and thereby as a special case of a more complete and accurate theory. "
        The main thing is to keep the right proportion. On the one hand, it should be remembered that even the constant expansion, deepening and refinement of our knowledge, in principle, cannot completely overcome their probability and relativity. And on the other hand, you should not go to the extreme of continuous nihilism.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 7 November 2017 13: 12 New
          +6
          I’ll copy your quote to myself, I’ll break my brain in the evening. yes fellow
          Monster, are you offering me brandy right now? wink As it were, only half a working day passed only, and I got used to travel by car. For without 200-300 grams you can’t figure it out. request
          that even the constant expansion, deepening and refinement of our knowledge

          for some reason there were thoughts about expanding the variety of snacks what drinks
          1. Curious
            Curious 7 November 2017 13: 26 New
            +5
            Do not break anything. Take a decent textbook on philosophy and see sections on the relativity of truth. Then I’ll like it; you’ll read without Nietzsche and Schopenhauer brandy.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 7 November 2017 13: 31 New
              +3
              Thank you, the right word is not worth it. hi After your words, I start to worry about my own mind .. stop I prefer to remain miserable without Nietzsche and other twistswink
              Last year I tried to re-read a textbook on social psychology. I was "cut off" to sleep after two minutes of reading .. recourse
              1. Curious
                Curious 7 November 2017 13: 43 New
                +3
                This is from a lack of training. Like in sports. After a long break, you come to the gym, get stressed, then neither sit down nor lie down, the whole body is a continuous source of pain. Then you enter the rhythm - and everything is normal.
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 7 November 2017 13: 46 New
                  +4
                  This is from a lack of training.

                  rather, from the reluctance to "train" on this field. In life, and so enough responsibilities and stress. Therefore, sometimes I don’t want to burden myself with superfluous, especially obscure literature that does not have applied value at the moment yes I repent, sinful! hi
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 7 November 2017 13: 55 New
                    +3
                    But when you retire, there will already be an option.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 7 November 2017 14: 13 New
                      +3
                      I don’t think about it yet, from the word "completely" request Thirty years later, if I live, I remember love
                      1. Curious
                        Curious 7 November 2017 14: 16 New
                        +3
                        Nobody is too late to think about it, and never too early. You have no idea how fast the time goes.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 November 2017 20: 50 New
            +2
            Yes, everything is simple, everything is according to Letz: a camera, a forehead, a wall, a boom-boom, opponents ....., and, ....... a neighboring camera!
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 November 2017 13: 38 New
    +3
    I would buy a Churchill figurine with a bulldog. I respect very much
    this drunk. good
    1. kalibr
      7 November 2017 17: 32 New
      +1
      If you want, I’ll ask Zeynalov how much it costs ...
  11. Mikado
    Mikado 7 November 2017 14: 20 New
    +1
    Curious,
    Nobody is too late to think about it, and never too early. You have no idea how fast the time goes.

    I imagine .. it doesn’t even go, but flies. hi Just yesterday, I was a cadet .. and I never thought that fate would turn that way! True, the mind is not very much and increased laughing
  12. Mestny
    Mestny 7 November 2017 14: 53 New
    0
    Quote: BRONEVIK
    The author’s collection is beautiful
    The article is interesting
    And philosophical questions can be pondered over a glass of brandy or a glass of beer wink

    Exactly. So they write about this very thing, these “scientists against myths” - they say the real science is extremely complex, is not accessible to everyone because of the intellectual wretchedness of the majority, and therefore do not twitch, drink piffko, but they will tell you everything in a popular way and in the way consider it necessary.
    Trying to argue with them, you encroach on a sacred, of course, a wallet. ETOGES suddenly have to rethink something in science. But what about the works of respected people, and what about the fees, and a scientific career in general.
    Therefore, of course, there is only one way out - to chat as soon as possible, to hang up labels and stuff for that small percentage of possible truth in the stream of alternative theories. Nonsense, that in official science this percentage of truth is hardly more - the main thing is, of course, its own well-being.
    They don’t have real power, and if you look, they would be sent to prison for doubts about their scientific achievements.
    Obscurantists are cleaner than believers.
  13. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 7 November 2017 15: 32 New
    +5
    In my opinion, someone correctly noted in the comments - Autumn exacerbation!
    It is precisely noticed, in the fall, loonies have a special riot.
    All these figurines attract me only as a skill in casting and artistry. Well, I like netsuke what to do.
    And the competition itself is complete nonsense. Just in the spirit of loonies. Just in the spirit - I did not read, but I condemn.
    It is faint to recall that at one time Galileo was charged with the church, his own customer for research?
    To recall faintly, than was Copernicus noted? Newton, the same one who is one of the reference authors in the writings of HX.
    Recall how back in the 15-16 centuries rinsed Poggio Bracciolini - the author of the unforgettable manuscripts "Tacitus", and other "ancient" authors (..... http: //nasch-mir.ru/mistifikator-podzho-bra
    chcholini / .....)
    Well, where are we to go if _new_, which is _ well forgotten old_, hardly makes its way.
    Or does not penetrate at all! But we, unfortunately, will not be able to become eyewitnesses.
    Not so long ago, only 200 or three hundred years ago, the "ivory tower" full of French sages, academicians, completely rejected meteorites, because, ___ there are no stones in the sky ___!
    So there are stones, or not, who will answer, hand on heart?
    But the academics were, not a couple of the current Academies, there - one, two .... well, that one, three. - academician. And that's it, over. Academicians.
    So, the foolish contest with the awarding of stupid titles is a clumsy attempt conservatism,conceived, in my opinion, precisely by those who are about to be pressed down .... oh, conservatism.
    Serious about gamblers ... anyway, what to consider Ksyusha Sobchak worthy of the presidency, for example.
    ....
    The question constantly eats me, well, an academician, a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences could not, for no reason, go into a region so far removed from the circle of his professional interests. He is on mathematics and analysis, on topological transformations "ate teeth". What-what, but he understands the conversion accurately. And he threw it on history, on transformation. So there is something to learn? Or just brush aside the stones in the sky? But what about the mass of followers and parallel studies, away from the mainstream, so to speak.
    ....
    They are good figures in that they can be gossiped over them.
    And research, supported by a lot of quoting ..... well, free will, you can ridicule, of course. Only now - the works have remained! And published.
    And the figures - tomorrow new ones will appear. With new materials.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 7 November 2017 15: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      Well, an academician, a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences could not, for no reason, go to a region so far removed from the circle of his professional interests. He is on mathematics and analysis, on topological transformations "ate teeth". What-what, but he understands the conversion accurately. And he threw it on history, on transformation

      If you are talking about someone I think about, he himself gave the answer - when historians offered their mathematical calculations to help in explaining, then historians waved away - "do not go into mathematics where you are not asked" ... Here they began to search for evidence for their THEORIES in the archives (that is, to do their work for historians). Now historians have announced their work (on which more than one decade of work has been put) .... mmm ... to put it mildly with heresy and fight against them with all available means, not disdaining insults. request These are our historians lol
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 7 November 2017 16: 10 New
        +2
        About that, about that, about Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko.
        Although, frankly, I have nothing to say about the mathematical apparatus, it is the apparatus. I cannot either confirm or deny the accuracy of the samples for analysis. Rampage in modeling is more likely to confuse than inspire confidence.
        But, but .... the fact that the story was somewhat different, unlike Scaliger-Petavius, for example, is beyond my doubt.
        Particularly because back in school, in a class of 8-9, reading a lot of maca literature on history, I noticed that the whole story, like a circle, we walk in a circle - at first it was unknown who came from the East. Then the Huns attacked. From the East. Then the Mongols attacked. Again from the East. Yes, Mlyn, I think they’ve smeared with honey here in Russia. Then the Vikings attacked from the northwest. Then fierce knights. From the West. Then the Poles. From the West ..... etc.
        I think it’s clear what I’m talking about.
        So HX fell on a completely prepared soul. Yes, it remained. To lie down.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 7 November 2017 16: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          So HX fell on a completely prepared soul. Yes, it remained. To lie

          Shhhh stopotherwise the figurine will be handed wink
          For the fact that you do not believe that the Mongol-Tatar "yoke" with its tithe tax is unbearable in comparison with today's taxes of 20% in total laughing
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 7 November 2017 15: 58 New
      +2
      And the figures - tomorrow new ones will appear. With new materials.

      the problem now is that science and art are often being replaced by prattle. But how to distinguish a genius from a madman ... Interestingly, Musk will still fly to Mars? what
      Not so long ago, only 200 or three hundred years ago, the "ivory tower" full of French sages, academicians, completely rejected meteorites, because, ___ there are no stones in the sky ___!

      conjuncture. If it was convenient for them and, for example, the Inquisition to exist in such a coordinate system of ignorance, and deal with dissenters, then it would be strange if they did not insist on the stagnation of knowledge. request
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 7 November 2017 16: 40 New
        +2
        Nothing is new under the moon - hints respected Mikado? I agree one hundred percent.
        But, the non-coin period is much more convincing precisely in the HX version than in any other.
        It is unshakable for me.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 7 November 2017 17: 20 New
          +2
          But, the non-coin period is much more convincing precisely in the HX version than in any other.

          HH did not read, honestly, dear Bashibuzuk. hi But here we have a couple of characters on the forum, after talking with whom you can not read. wink True, the sarcasm theory of the esteemed Marat (upstream) with penguin feeds at the head of the human race seems to me much more harmonious. what fellow
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 November 2017 21: 11 New
        +2
        Mask to Mars will not fly, the dough is not enough.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 7 November 2017 23: 43 New
          +2
          sorry .. i would have looked ..
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 8 November 2017 23: 14 New
            +1
            I would too ... Advertising of a loved one: "I will die on Mars, inexpensively"
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 9 November 2017 00: 01 New
              +1
              I would too ... Advertising of a loved one: "I will die on Mars, inexpensively"

              yeah, silly somehow .. to fly one way .. yes
    3. Some kind of compote
      Some kind of compote 7 November 2017 16: 39 New
      16
      Oh you
      And the topic is interesting
      And the discussion is lively
      Sorry to wedge myself
      But
      The question constantly eats me, well, an academician, a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences could not, for no reason, go into such an area so remote from the circle of his professional interests.

      Who are you talking about?
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 7 November 2017 17: 13 New
        +2
        This is about academician Fomenko.
        But in general - about how easy it is to stick stupid labels. And then....
        For example, take Solzhenitsyn. In his time, he was kicked out of the USSR. For anti-Soviet.
        Well, then, with the transition to it, he returned back. Yes, and reforged, all of a sudden. Now they rinse him again - a liar, a slanderer, a liar.
        I read it somewhere in 1979-1980. He marveled at his exasperated hatred of the ranks. Nuuu, I think that with such hatred it would be necessary to gnaw the bars of the Summer Garden in order to get into a mental hospital. And since then he was just .... inadequately thinking for me. There was and will be.
        Here, in a note, they refer to jesters and clowns, who in passing crap on very real academic figures. I don’t like that.
        1. kalibr
          7 November 2017 17: 37 New
          +3
          Read how his position is analyzed and considered by the historian Danilevsky ...
          1. Some kind of compote
            Some kind of compote 7 November 2017 17: 52 New
            15
            Clear
            thanks for the clarifications hi
      2. Curious
        Curious 7 November 2017 17: 31 New
        +4
        Yes, they wrote “a floor higher” - Alexander Timofeevich Fomenko, Doctor of Physics and Mathematics, Professor, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences. The man is certainly talented. In the field of mathematical sciences, Anatoly Timofeevich achieved his main successes, recognized by almost everyone.
        Anatoly Timofeevich managed to try his hand at the literary field - in the late 50s, in the journal Pioneer Truth, his fantastic story The Secret of the Milky Way was published. Fomenko at that time was a graduate of the school. And at a more mature age, he worked as deputy chief editor of the Vestnik MGU magazine.
        He is also a schedule. Its graphics, of course, are peculiar.

        But in relation to today's discussion, he is known as the author of "empirical-statistical" methods for the study of historical texts, recognition of dependent historical texts and dating of events as applied to the chronology of world history ", ie one of the followers of the New Chronology project.
        1. Some kind of compote
          Some kind of compote 7 November 2017 17: 54 New
          16
          Yes, I entered relatively recently
          I did not have time to read everything
          Now understand
          Thank you drinks
  14. kalibr
    7 November 2017 17: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Rurikovich
    But historians flatly refuse to do this.

    Why did you decide this?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 7 November 2017 17: 45 New
      +1
      I doubt that from the current history textbooks triremes with quadriremes and pentres will disappear, as a laughing stock of common sensewink and Veliky Novgorod will move from the swamps to a logical place on the Volga yes
      1. kalibr
        7 November 2017 21: 55 New
        +1
        You know what worries me? Your aplomb! I have been very interested in these ships since childhood. Lord, how many books I have read on them in both Russian and English ... But have you seen at least one of my articles about these ships? Only in the Czech magazine "Small Model" came out my article about the ship of Alexandrida. It was not here ... because I am still not sure of anything. And you - I am SURE of this - read on them much less than me, but ... "must disappear", "ridicule" ... I can’t say that. You - categorically affirm! Such people are always very suspicious to me. I do not like militant ignorance.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 7 November 2017 23: 22 New
          0
          Quote: kalibr
          But have you seen at least one of my articles about these ships?

          Vyacheslav Olegovich, THIS personally does not apply to you, but to history as a whole, as an example of insanity, and not common sense. You just misunderstood because I didn’t specifically put it. I apologize. hi It’s just for you, as a historian, it will be interesting to know a different opinion on these ships
          "Military Historical Hochma" by George Kostylev.
          Quote: kalibr
          You - categorically affirm

          Just common sense on this topic so suggests repeat
          Quote: kalibr
          I do not like militant ignorance.

          And I hi Ignorance is more likely a recognition of nonexistent or unproven. Which is dangerous in history. And we are often forced to believe in something on the basis of the fact that we did it before. We cannot with our technologies, but the ancients did.
          I, Vyacheslav Olegovich, for common sense and do not want to argue with you just because of the dispute itself. request
          Quote: kalibr
          Such people are always very suspicious to me.

          Try to be less suspicious hi
          1. kalibr
            8 November 2017 08: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Rurikovich
            for common sense and I do not want to argue with you just because of the dispute itself.

            Common sense is a good thing, who is arguing. The problem is that people very often act contrary to him. And to evaluate their actions by the "meaning" will be impossible! But how do you know - “in meaning” and “without meaning” a person acted right now?
  15. kalibr
    7 November 2017 17: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Rurikovich
    But no one raises the question of Shlimanovskaya "Three"

    I will write to you about Troy ... in detail ... and how Schliemann was condemned and watered and discussed! And discuss!
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 7 November 2017 17: 56 New
      +2
      I am pleased to read hi
  16. Luga
    Luga 7 November 2017 19: 45 New
    +4
    Thanks to the author for the article, and thanks to all participants in the discussion for an interesting discussion. hi
    Indeed, rested soul among intelligent people. smile
    Rurikovich, for the good I envy your energy, endurance and courage - to clash with such heavyweights as your today's opponents and not give up, not break, do not desert from the battlefield - it is worth a lot. Taking off my hat. hi smile
    Personally, I am impressed by your desire to think independently and independently. I think that if you take the time to study some aspects of historical science more deeply and don’t rush to find answers to all questions in a row (including those to which the “official” history does not give answers yet), you will unwittingly begin to move away from alternative points view, approaching the official. The main thing is not to rush and not want to know everything at once.
    Thanks again to all participants in the discussion. hi
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 7 November 2017 21: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Luga
      I think that if you take the time to study some aspects of historical science more deeply and do not rush to look for answers to all questions in a row

      Where already there - leisurely study. Already two points of view lie in front of your eyes with your answers - you just need to make the right choice yes
      Quote: Luga
      (including those to which the "official" history of answers does not yet give)

      But this is the key phrase! fellow Doesn’t give because he doesn’t know or does not give, because he has not yet come up with a suitable version? Or doesn’t it, because it doesn’t suit the right answer and is it easier to shut up? You see, the variation is already going wild request
      Quote: Luga
      you willy-nilly begin to move away from alternative points of view

      So the fact of the matter is that a person chooses what to believe on the basis of his own conclusions (if the brains, of course, are present and can analyze and draw conclusions). This is how truth is born for each individual - by analyzing existing information on the basis of available knowledge.
      Quote: Luga
      approaching the official.

      or vice versa wink
      Quote: Luga
      The main thing is not to rush and not want to know everything at once.

      Life is what you saw with your own eyes and felt with your own hands. And what others tell you is just fairy tales. Therefore, to believe them or not, it is up to you to decide on the basis of your knowledge of the world around you and those criteria that you think are right and true ...

      Quote: Luga
      to clash with such heavyweights as your opponents today and not give up, do not break, do not desert from the battlefield - it is worth a lot.

      I express only my point of view and, strangely enough, she has the right to life (according to the rules of the site wink ) And I can admit my defeats or take a different point of view, again based on my own conclusions yes
      In disputes, truth is born - everyone knows this saying, but few know its second part - "but while passions boil, it can evaporate"
      So the imposition of any point of view at all - alternative or official - is considered wrong request In any case, the person himself will draw conclusions from the foregoing and the evidence provided.
      Shpakovsky will give me irrefutable evidence of the existence of the “yoke” in Russia, which will outweigh my logical and simple, based on common sense (from my point of view) - I will change my point of view. In the meantime, historians will customize their fabrications on this topic with entire studies such as the endurance of Mongolian horses and the ban on engaging in conquered peoples because of the purity of blood (!!! laughing ), then there will be doubts on faith not perceived hi
      1. kalibr
        7 November 2017 22: 11 New
        +1
        Below I wrote to you. I can’t explain about the IGO, explained on the example of "Bayeux carpet".
      2. Luga
        Luga 8 November 2017 15: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Shpakovsky will give me irrefutable evidence of the existence of the "yoke" in Russia

        And what about the yoke? I do not know your disputes with kalibr'om.
        By the way, the interpretation of the “yoke” in the “official” historiography since the time of my studies in high school, as far as I can tell, has changed significantly. I was wondering what it does not suit you and what discrepancies you find in it with common sense.
        Perhaps, the use of the very concept of “yoke”, which implies the oppression by the victors of the vanquished, which, it seems, was not particularly observed in Russia during the Horde's reign, can be annoying, but if you try to change this term, you will have to use more bulky and complex constructions, which is pure technically uncomfortable. And so said "yoke" and everyone around it understands what is meant by the period from the middle of the XIII century. until the second half of the 15th century, i.e. the period of vassal dependence of most of Russia on the Steppe (I do not pretend to be canonical of the wording).
        As for the essence of this dependence, in what exactly and how exactly it was manifested, what are its causes and consequences, here we can argue, this is interesting.
        If you deny the very fact of the Mongol invasion, which led to the military defeat of Russia from the steppes and (or) the fact of the political dependence of the Russian princes on the Horde khans, then today my evening ceases to be languid. wink Just today, free time has appeared and part of it I am ready to spend on upholding my position on this issue. smile
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 9 November 2017 06: 36 New
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          Unfortunately, I had no free time in the evening yesterday recourse
          Dealt with mushrooms smile
      3. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 23 March 2019 02: 18 New
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        Once he studied at the Faculty of Physics, one of the teachers broke something there, not just like that, but with the creation of his own theory ...
        Some opponent sent only one fact that his theory did not explain - both the theory and the teacher precipitated!
        It seems to me that Fomenko rests on the fact that historians are weak with mathematics and probability theory ....
        And mathematicians for this nonsense do not want a Maratz ...
        As for the yoke - read Apolonov Grigory Grigoryevich:
        "Looters on the Roads of History" or just a history textbook by the same author,
        and you yourself will spit fomen in their face, because there’s nowhere to talk about the face.!
  17. Operator
    Operator 7 November 2017 19: 51 New
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    Jury "Scientists Against Myths-5":
    Alexander Sokolov, creator of the portal ANTROPOGENEZ.RU [patented Russophobe]
    Stanislav Drobyshevsky, editor of the portal ANTROPOGENEZ.RU
    Ivan Zatevakhin, presenter of the popular science program “Dialogues about animals”
    Nikolay Vasyutin, rector of ancient technologies
    Andrey Kizilov, Associate Professor, Department of Humanities and Service, International Innovation University (Sochi)
    Oleg Balanovsky, Head of the Laboratory of Genomic Geography, Institute of General Genetics, Russian Academy of Sciences [grantosos]

    Jury experts:
    Svetlana Borinskaya, Head Genome Analysis Laboratory, Institute of General Genetics, Russian Academy of Sciences


    Mikhail Gelfand, deputy Director of the Institute for Information Transmission Problems, RAS


    And these clowns seriously considered the question: “Russians are Tatar-Finns or descendants of the Aryans?”, Despite the fact that the word “Finns” in Russian is spelled in two “n”.

    "D. Bily", - S. Lavrov (C)
    1. kalibr
      7 November 2017 21: 50 New
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      Why are they clowns? Who has proven this?
      1. Operator
        Operator 8 November 2017 00: 39 New
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        Clowning is not only about the loss of education (“Finns”), but also about the status of the jury members - the host of a television program about animals, the owner of the site, an assistant professor of the service department, etc.

        The level of experts is fully consistent with the status of the jury, since the former recognize the latter as arbitrators.

        At the same time, in the overwhelming majority of issues considered, the jury chews the same gum for the hundredth time: Fomenko, RenTV, etc. for the sole purpose - to attach their Russophobic fabrications to them.
        1. Operator
          Operator 11 November 2017 20: 02 New
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          Oleg Balanovsky from the first to the seventh minute tells that the Russians in the genetic plan are in the middle between the Ukrainians and the Karelians
          https://vk.com/video-86388164_171170638

          Yuri Kirpichyov’s statement on the forum “Trinity option” dated 22.02.15: “Now, after a vile blow to the back of Ukraine - at the time of its weakness - after the majority of Russians support this meanness, every decent person should be a Russophobe.”

          Comment by Alexander Kadira in the VK group “DNA genealogy as a historical science. A. Klyosov” in 2017: “I will be glad when the Germans recapture the national team”

          In the photo in the center of Klim Zhukov, right, Alexander Kadira


          S.ki shameful am
          1. ILDM1986
            ILDM1986 12 November 2017 11: 48 New
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            And what, Klim Alexandrovich should have chopped his minced meat into a minced meat?
            Both the Anthropogenesis portal and the Scientists Against Myths, and the VRLA Prize are not a state initiative, but a personal initiative, interest circles, which include scientists. There are simply people who openly lifted up the position of science in the modern Russian Federation, the prosperity of pseudoscientific theories and various fricism. Yes, among these people there are different people with different views, and so what? Yes, you can personally organize your Academy of Sciences of Russophobia, we have a free country. You will get together with your friends and begin to enter the sex of the country in the descriptive lists, because they don’t like certain aspects of the domestic and foreign policy of the Russian Federation.
            1. Operator
              Operator 12 November 2017 12: 52 New
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              For hell Russophobic project to advertise in?
              1. ILDM1986
                ILDM1986 12 November 2017 20: 27 New
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                so shoot chtol?
              2. ILDM1986
                ILDM1986 12 November 2017 22: 51 New
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                yes, I still don’t understand from what figs “UPM” became Russophobic? What Russophobic topics were revealed there? there, for example, the same Klim Zhukov spoke, is he also a Russophobe?
          2. Ehanatone
            Ehanatone 23 March 2019 02: 25 New
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            “I will be glad when the Germans recapture the national team”
            I can not stand the game of the ball-leg and its fans, ...
            But what is Russia doing, no matter how it relates to the gdp and its coder, not a man who calls his homeland a bastard!?
  18. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 7 November 2017 21: 04 New
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    Curious,

    Well, I swear, I can comment on every line from your dialogue, but I prefer to have fun neighing! Especially about Mikado and Miserable laughing й
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 7 November 2017 23: 50 New
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      so, how do I feel, Anton? request on the one hand, VN is crushing intellect with the mass ideological support of Nietzsche and other Zhopengauers, on the other, you quote Lets, on the third, apologists of haplogroups are pressing, on the fourth, Marat with a penguin drinker is slender in steps, and it turns out that you feel like you are not learning company of smart people! recourse I haven’t mentioned this half yet, from the respected Bashibuzuk to the Communists! fellow drinks here, in the end, and I don’t swear with anyone, I value according to my mind, and not according to slogans hi drinks
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 8 November 2017 06: 40 New
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        good For that
        Quote: Mikado
        I appreciate by the mind, not by the slogans

        taking off my hat hi
  19. kalibr
    7 November 2017 21: 31 New
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    Quote: Rurikovich
    So let Vyacheslav Olegovich, as a historian and specialist, refute Fomenko’s quite sound judgments about the Mongol-Tatar “yoke” (from my bell tower) and make it so that I myself would come to the conclusion that the opinion of historians on that period of history is REALLY true. Without reference there are different to the contemporary works of contemporary historians.

    Very reasonable words! It's good that you wrote it. But now let’s do it so - IGO is a wide and complex topic for IOS to tell you something in a nutshell. Let's start simple. All FOMENKO CONCLUSIONS are based on incorrect dates. So? AND ON YOUR RIGHT Astronomical Calculations! So if his astronomical calculations and dates are not true, is everything else wrong - so? So! Now find the Bayesian Canvas. Year 1066. The official history recognizes this. Fomenko - no. The canvas depicts Halley's comet. Take data on its periodization. Rewind back her periods of return and how you get to the 1066 of the year ... everything will fall into place. Because this means that the periodization of official science is confirmed. I can’t explain anything anymore !!! And to make it easier to understand what it is about - Dial: VO The mystery of the tapestry from Bayeux https://topwar.ru/79693-tayna-gobelena-iz-baye-ch
    ast-1.htmlRead all about this carpet. And then about Halley’s comet ... Then you yourself won’t want to read Fomenko .... That's all, actually.
    1. kalibr
      7 November 2017 21: 48 New
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      It turns out that it is not necessary to count. I climbed onto the site about the comet - and there everything was counted and painted: 1986 / 02 / 09.39 1986 / 02 / 09.66 1986 / 02 / 09.51 -
      1910/04/20.18 1910/04/19.68 1910/04/20.18 1910/04/20.18 —
      1835/11/16.44 1835/11/15.94 1835/11/16.44 1835/11/16.44 —
      1759/03/13.06 1759/03/12.55 1759/03/13.06 1759/03/13.06 1759/03/12.51
      1682/09/15.28 1682/09/14.79 1682/09/15.28 1682/09/15.28 1682/09/14.48
      1607/10/27.54 1607/10/26.80 1607/10/27.54 1607/10/27.52 1607/10/25.00
      1531/08/25.80 1531/08/25.59 1531/08/26.23 1531/08/26.26 1531/08/23.68
      1456/06/09.1 1456/06/08.97 1456/06/09.63 1456/06/09.50 1456/06/08.10
      1378/11/09 1378/11/10.87 1378/11/10.69 1378/11/10.62 1378/11/09.64
      1301/10/24.53 1301/10/26.40 1301/10/25.58 1301/10/25.19 1301/10/25.22
      1222/10/0.8 1222/09/29.12 1222/09/28.82 1222/09/28.55 1222/09/29.68
      1145/04/21.25 1145/04/17.86 1145/04/18.56 1145/04/18.12 1145/04/20.60
      1066/03/23.5 1066/03/19.52 1066/03/20.93 1066/03/20.07 1066/03/22.68
      989/09/08 989/09/02.99 989/09/05.69 989/09/04.09 989/09/07.69
      912/07/9.5 912/07/16.59 912/07/18.67 912/07/17.00 912/07/19.28
      That is, those who embroidered this canvas reflected on it a real event. And the authenticity of the canvas has been proven for a long time. So OFFICIAL DATING IS TRUE, but Fomenko’s dating is NOT! And since his dating is not true, then everything else is also wrong, which was to be proved. Everything! I don’t have time to crap anymore!
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 7 November 2017 22: 32 New
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        Vyacheslav Olegovich, Halley's comet was discovered in the 17th century, its frequency was checked already in the 18th century, therefore, to say that Halley's comet was described very tightly on a tapestry from Bayeux. Every 11th century by officialdom wink Already in modern times it has been proved that a periodicity of 76 years is a relative thing with an error of up to 2 years due to the influence of giant planets. And in my opinion, providing proof of your version of Halley's comet is consistent only with the official history.
        Fomenko and Nosovsky are mathematicians and decipher the tapestry from Bayeux exclusively as a linear zodiac for recording the astronomical date, which is also present on the tapestry. The data obtained using decryption (the work of mathematicians) differ from the official one by 400 years, although in 1495 they also did not hear about Halley's comet request
        Those. You suggest that I believe in the version that there is EXACTLY Halley's comet on the tapestry, and no other, and that, in your opinion, is an EXACT method for dating a tapestry from Bayeux.
        Here is Fomenko’s opinion about dating without any comets:
        chronologia.org/zodiaki_eg_eu/z4_02.html
        With this
        Quote: kalibr
        That is, those who embroidered this canvas reflected on it a real event.

        Nobody argues
        But this
        Quote: kalibr
        So OFFICIAL DATING IS TRUE, but Fomenko’s dating is NOT! And since his dating is not true, then everything else is also wrong, which was to be proved. All! I don’t have time to do crap anymore!

        Vyacheslav Olegovich is no longer drawn to the search for truth, but convinces only of the bias of official history hi in that
        Quote: kalibr
        So OFFICIAL DATING IS TRUE, and Fomenko’s dating is NOT

        I draw such conclusions for myself precisely because of your version of Halley’s comet, because in the 11th century they couldn’t know that it was Halley’s comet, but it suits perfectly with modern evidence of official dating.
        Far-fetched, Vyacheslav Olegovich .... Not convinced no

        Best regards hi
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        2. kalibr
          8 November 2017 07: 40 New
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          And what other comet could be in the sky of 1066 of the year if all of the comets are known by all accounts?
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 8 November 2017 21: 17 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            And what other comet could be in the sky of 1066 of the year if all of the comets are known by all accounts?

            Planets have not yet discovered everything wink Every year, 2-3 new comets are discovered, and you say that everyone is known. yes Vyacheslav Olegovich, the worst thing that you could present as evidence - you presented it with a comet.
            Your position as an official historian is known
            Quote: kalibr
            I don’t have time to do crap anymore!
            1. ILDM1986
              ILDM1986 12 November 2017 11: 57 New
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              and what, a shift in the appearance of a comet in 2 years, and at least in 5 years something proves? The canvas was made after the events described in it, and the comet was inscribed in it because it was such an omen such that it promised great achievements and all that. A comet was recorded, people remembered the comet - and inscribed on a tapestry.
              Yes, even if there was another comet - what does it prove? what event was not? Do you have a cause-effect relationship?
              1. Rurikovich
                Rurikovich 12 November 2017 12: 59 New
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                Quote: ILDM1986
                Yes, even if there was another comet - what does it prove?

                Then there is nothing to argue that it was EXACTLY Halley's comet and date the tapestry by this "fact" hi
                1. ILDM1986
                  ILDM1986 12 November 2017 18: 49 New
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                  dating by some comet is a Fomenkoid technique, only when other people use it do Fomenkoids have the same complaints that normal historians always have about Fomenoids. Normal scientists, the fact of the battle and its dating are conducted not only by the comet galley, for them this is one of the ways, there are many others that confirm that the fact took place in this time period. But Fomenkoids useless to prove it.
                  1. Rurikovich
                    Rurikovich 12 November 2017 18: 52 New
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                    Quote: ILDM1986
                    dating by some comet is a method of fomenkoids,

                    Learn materiel and read above what is written laughing Mr. Shpakovsky led dating on a comet, koi refers to official historians, but certainly not to "Fomenkoids" wink
                    1. ILDM1986
                      ILDM1986 12 November 2017 20: 14 New
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                      he cited it as an example of the fact that the dating of fomincoids and adequate people at times coincide. Are you following the topic of correspondence that you yourself created in general?
  20. kalibr
    7 November 2017 22: 06 New
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    Quote: Rurikovich
    History does not accept this!

    Why? One “historian” wrote about the patriotic Fium incident. And according to documents from the Navy's archive, all this turned out to be fiction. Dial: IN "Fiume incident." Many were then offended that the "glorious page of the military history of Russia" was crossed out. So the story EVERYTHING is acceptable. There would be evidence of WEIGHT! And not for amateurs, but for professionals! That is the difference!
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 7 November 2017 23: 08 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      One “historian” wrote about the patriotic Fium incident. And according to documents from the Navy's archive, all this turned out to be fiction.

      Well, in history, if you rummage around, then such "exploits" are darkness and darkness. yes Especially in a relatively modern. After all, according to official history, Hartman is recognized as almost a super race with 352 victories, although according to proven cases, if he scores a couple of dozen shot down planes, then he is good. But for some reason they believe the official version, because if the Germans recognize the unofficial, then you have to admit that the German superas of the 2nd world is a myth
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, you know better than me that the mythologization of history really exists, be it the 20th century or the Middle Ages. You can’t fight this without solid evidence.
      You also know very well that there is a “substitution of concepts”, a “double interpretation” that really influences the veracity of history. And even more so in the lists of annals, which in essence are already copies with corrections and changes. Consequently, such documents can only be relative evidence of a true event. request

      Quote: kalibr
      And not for amateurs, but for professionals!

      Do you propose to believe historians on the basis that the evidence of a particular event was recognized by them as reliable? what Those. if on the basis of any evidence the event is recognized by the historian as true (interpretation of it), then the explanation of this event in the textbook edited by this historian is considered to be true and proven. And if the historian is interested in such an interpretation or was he mistaken? (As in the case of the Fiume incident), and the textbook (or document) is already walking around the world? What to do then???
      Quote: kalibr
      That is the difference!

      But what about the search for truth? Or can only the elite seek and spread the truth ???
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 13 November 2017 19: 04 New
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      Dial: IN "Fiume incident."

      in 2010, he read the “heroic version of events” in the newspaper of one educational institution, and from there he first learned about him. By the way, the article is interesting. hi
  21. kalibr
    8 November 2017 07: 43 New
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    Quote: Rurikovich
    And if the historian is interested in such an interpretation or was he mistaken? (As in the case of the Fiume incident), and the textbook (or document) is already walking around the world? What to do then???

    Then just look for this interest. The textbook for the 7 class with the drowning of the Germans and foot knights with axes was already seized ...
    And study the rest yourself and carefully. And the position “do not believe anyone” is frankly unwise! Someone we still believe!
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 8 November 2017 21: 20 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      There’s a textbook for the 7th grade with the drowning of the Germans and foot knights with axes already seized ...

      I don’t follow the issues and seizures of textbooks, so I take your word for it yes
      Quote: kalibr
      Someone we still believe!

      I personally believe in common sense. And if he is present in some part of officialdom or in some part of an alternative history, then I will believe them hi
  22. kalibr
    8 November 2017 07: 45 New
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    Quote: Rurikovich
    But what about the search for truth? Or can only the elite seek and spread the truth ???

    Of course not! There are many examples where the unchosen did it more successfully than others. But they WORKED ...