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Why is the Holocaust of the Jews more important than the Holocaust of other nations?

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Actually, the term "Holocaust" is not new to anyone. You can even say that it is commonplace, understandable and accepted by all normal people, as a fact. The systematic extermination of the Jews of the whole of Europe by the German fascists does not require any evidence and was a crime of an international character.


Why is the Holocaust of the Jews more important than the Holocaust of other nations?


And the Germans do not deny it. It would be difficult. But it turns out that there are some nuances in this matter.

I will begin with the definition in Wikipedia, as with a publication that cannot be reproached with anti-Semitism in any way.

Holocaust (from the English. Holocaust, from ancient Greek ολοκαύστος - "burnt offering"):

In a broad sense, the Nazis persecuted and massacred members of various ethnic and social groups (Soviet prisoners of war, Poles, Jews, Gypsies, homosexual men, Freemasons, hopelessly sick and disabled people, etc.) during the existence of Nazi Germany.

In the narrow sense - the persecution and massacre of Jews living in Germany, in the territory of its allies and in the territories they occupied during the Second World War; systematic persecution and extermination of European Jews by Nazi Germany and collaborators throughout 1933 — 1945. Along with the genocide of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire is one of the most famous examples of genocide in the XX century.


And also from there:

In modern English with a capital letter (Holocaust), the word is used in the meaning of the extermination of the Jews by the Nazis, and with the lower case (holocaust) in other cases.

That is, with a capital letter, the Holocaust is written in the narrow sense when it comes to Jews. With a small letter - when in the broad, which includes all the rest.

It seemed to me very strange.

Yes, today for the main number of ordinary people, “the Holocaust is when Jews were exterminated.” And, to be honest, the Jews themselves vigorously publicize this term, in effect monopolizing it.

Meanwhile, there is something to ponder.

For example, that from 5,7 millions of Red Army soldiers trapped in German captivity, 3,3 million died.

In principle, every German soldier knew that an enemy who surrendered voluntarily could not be killed. However, they killed. Filtering out the same Jews, political workers and commanders. And they did this not on their own, and in the Wehrmacht and in the SS they had a number of orders from the Supreme Command (OKV) and the top of the SS, which were clearly spelled out "new methods of warfare".

And new methods prescribed not only to defeat the Jewish-communist enemies, but also to destroy them.

That there is only one “commissar order” from 6 June 1941, signed by Warlimont and Brauchitsch (additions).

“... These commissioners are not recognized as soldiers; they are not covered by international legal protection for prisoners of war. After the sorting, they must be destroyed. ”

What is there about Stalin, the “truth-seekers” say about non-compliance with the Hague Convention?

And the brave Wehrmacht officers, though muttered in his memoirs (as, for example, Manstein), but - were shot. Proved at the Nuremberg Tribunal in respect of parts of the same Manstein.

What other conventions are there ...

No, the Wehrmacht remembered these conventions. The first of the ten rules of warfare by German soldiers recorded on each military ID card read as follows:

“A German soldier nobly fights for the victory of his people. Cruelty and senseless destruction are unworthy of him. "

It is clear that the Soviet, who were either communists or Jews, and often those, and others, it did not concern.

Yes, Hitler really wanted to make the Wehrmacht his political tool. And he did it perfectly. 30 March 1941, Hitler delivered a speech at the general meeting in his Reich Chancellery.

The meeting was attended by more 200 generals who, in fact, were to command the forces of the Eastern Front during Operation Barbarossa. Moreover, it was not some specially selected, ideologically literate and super-reliable management team, but the most ordinary generals of the Wehrmacht. The core of the German army.

And what, gentlemen generals did not understand that Hitler demanded from them to wage war with methods contrary to the generally accepted norms of warfare? Of course, understood. But no one wanted to seek adventure on his footing, because they condemned behind the scenes, and went to war.

And here are the consequences: from 5,7 millions of soldiers of the Red Army who fell into German captivity, killed 3,3 million, which is 57,5% of their total number. Many of them were shot, but most died in numerous prison camps.

In winter 1941-1942 alone, the number of Red Army soldiers killed was about two million. In fact, it can be said that a soldier who fell into the hands of the Wehrmacht in 1941 had almost no chance of surviving.

The number of dead Soviet prisoners of war and the number of dead Jews in numbers are terrifying. 3,3 million and 5,8 million people are huge numbers.

Holocaust? Holocaust. Or at least a holocaust. Lower case.

But for some reason the first figure of losses does not attract such attention, unlike the second.

The fact that the Jews put the case in this way and made the Holocaust common to the Holocaust for their people - this does them honor, by the way. And there is something to learn, it is necessary to recognize it.

But why did everything turn out differently? Neither in the Soviet Union, nor in the pile of independent states after the collapse, nor in Germany, for some reason, did anyone dare to draw attention to crimes against soldiers of the Red Army.

Complete failure in memory? Why?

Largely because after the war, many facts were not published. First of all, it was silenced that the death of such a huge number of Red Army soldiers was originally planned by the Nazi leadership during the preparation of the attack on the USSR. And faithfully executed not only by the executioners from the SS, but also by “honest” representatives of the Wehrmacht.

Of course, the beginning of the “cold war” also played its role. The communists have not gone away, just allies have become enemies, and therefore, why pity them? I am sure that many archives that have fallen to the Allies are either destroyed, or are still lying quietly somewhere.

Many today are talking about some kind of "compensation effect." I agree that a large number of German soldiers also fell into Soviet captivity, and many of them died there. But the numbers are completely incomparable!

Of the 3,5 millions of German and allied prisoners of war, a little more than half a million were killed in captivity. That is, 14,9%. These are official numbers. And how can we compare them with 57,5% of our losses? No

The criminal actions of the Wehrmacht and the SS against our prisoners of war in 1941-1945 are a shame. But this shame lies not only on the Wehrmacht and the German people. We are also responsible for the fact that our Holocaust was left behind the scenes.

Yes, more than seven decades have passed. However, today it is not too late to raise this issue. The question of the correct Holocaust. This is a memory. It is an honor.

The correct term Holocaust is one with a capital letter that implies everyone: Jews, Poles, Gypsies and the Red Army fighters: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Jews, Moldovans, Tatars, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Armenians, Azeris, Georgians, Bashkirs, everyone who fought under the red banner.

This is the right understanding. Everything else — usurpation to please one nation, is not very correct. Nevertheless, the Holocaust against the Jews takes place to be recognized by the world community. Is it worth writing with a capital letter? I do not know.

I know that we will have enough opinions from both sides. But before expressing them, I ask you to simply think about one thing: a Pole from Warsaw, a Jew from Dresden, a Russian from Yaroslavl, breathed the same air and all had blood scarlet.

And this is not “their” Holocaust. This is our common tragedy, this is our common Holocaust.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 2 November 2017 15: 18 New
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    In the winter of 1941-1942 alone, the death toll of the Red Army was about two million.


    Yes it is ... there was such a war with civilized barbarians from Europe ...

    Our prisoners of war ... without water ... drink wherever they can ...
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 2 November 2017 16: 28 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      In the winter of 1941-1942 alone, the death toll of the Red Army was about two million.


      Yes it is ... there was such a war with civilized barbarians from Europe ...

      Our prisoners of war ... without water ...


      THIS IS REAL HOLOCAUST.
      Given that this is the summer of the 41st, and God will release them, God forbid, only from the end of the 44th - which of them survived? - practically no one.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 2 November 2017 17: 22 New
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        The cruelty of fate is that if they had remained in the army, they would not have survived either, and with a much greater probability. On average, a fighter lived at the frontline for a week or two. Then he was either killed or wounded.
        Therefore, real soldiers preferred death in battle. So they took with them more enemies, leaving the next generation to live. This is the law of victory. It is almost impossible to survive the entire war in the active infantry. Therefore, most of those who survived the victory, having passed at least a couple of years of the war, served in the rear. It was real to survive there. By the way, the number of rear officers in the regiment often exceeded the number of "advanced workers." The rear officers did not count the latter as people, sincerely believing that the regiment was them. Because the composition does not change. And on the front line, one marching company after another disappears. It is useless to reward them and feed them well - they will kill anyway soon! Therefore, they rewarded themselves, and they rushed products.
        My father told me this. He was a year in the rear, in preparation, and a year in the front, he served as platoon commander in 1945. First in East Prussia, then in Manchuria. Therefore, he survived. He did not get terrible shelling and bombing of 41-43 years ...
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 2 November 2017 19: 46 New
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          Quote: meandr51
          The cruelty of fate is that if they had remained in the army, they would not have survived either, and with a much greater probability. On average, a fighter lived at the frontline for a week or two. Then he was either killed or wounded.

          And here is the probability?
          Is it not obvious that it is better to die in battle, selling your life dearly, knowing that your death is not in vain?
          And here, a long painful death, and a prisoner of war has already died, died as a person, and "lives" like a primitive animal ...
          I want to say something else. Let's compare the existence of Soviet prisoners and German. There’s nothing even to “compare”. According to the recollections of the Germans, the worst shock they had was in the "bloody Stalinist camp" - this is MONETARY REFORM, which partially devalued their earned savings. So they rushed to shop in "local" stores, as shown in the photo below ..
          YES ... RUSSIAN HUMANITY HAS NO BORDERS !!!
        2. creak
          creak 3 November 2017 09: 41 New
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          Quote: meandr51
          Therefore, real soldiers preferred death in battle. So they took with them more enemies, leaving the next generation to live.

          I’m embarrassed to ask, but have you had much to fight to make such bold statements? For example, 70 thousand people. abandoned in Sevastopol by the command in 1942 and holding on to their last strength, defended the city to the last possible opportunity — are they, by your logic, not real soldiers? Do you think that you can spit on those who did not die and were not captured voluntarily, you are the one to judge people who went through such trials that you never dreamed of ...
          If the topic of parents was raised, I would like to say that from my parents who went through the whole war, starting in 1941, I never heard anything like this about captivity and real soldiers. And they drank everything - and the way out of the encirclement after the catastrophe of the Bryansk Front and the defense of Tula and the operation "Bagration" .. Father started the war as an ordinary soldier - he ended up as a captain as a company commander - mother, a medical officer.
          Yes, and I, the sinner, at one time had a chance to smell the gunpowder in one of the so-called "undeclared wars" - therefore, I can say that anything happens in a war, it’s not for you to judge the prisoners - even after the war they drank a dash with this brand ... If you don’t judge, you will not be judged - a “real soldier” - to look at you in the trench ...
        3. Nordman88
          Nordman88 4 November 2017 21: 28 New
          +2
          Absolutely agree!
      2. 97110
        97110 2 November 2017 17: 32 New
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        Quote: Proxima
        Given that this is the summer of the 41st, and God will release them, God forbid, only from the end of the 44th - which of them survived? - practically no one.

        70 years old was a witness at a wedding. Freshly baked father-in-law for 3 days under the pressure of guests remembered a little. What I remembered from the story ... He was captured since the beginning of July 1941. He was released later on May 9, 1945 by the Allies from a camp in Norway. The list of camps in which he was, I do not remember. A long list ... A type of sinewy, lean man. He said that several times everyone around was killed, and he was alive. Like starving, they rushed to collect grain in the field, the convoy put them all down, he was alive. All the women who listened to his story cried. Yes, and we ... This is scary. And the monopolization of the Holocaust is a dirty business. It is in the spirit of arrogant Saxons. Let the Jews, but bite the Russians off. At the same time, on the rejection of anti-Semitism, it turned out to be promoted.
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 2 November 2017 18: 38 New
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          My grandfather's cousin went through the whole war in the infantry, from the 41st year. I drank everything. He was not held captive, and most importantly, he was never wounded, not a single scratch during the whole war. He left as an ordinary, returned as an officer. He had a feature - a mirror arrangement of internal organs, a heart on the right, etc. He told me that during the battle comrades fall around, scary. Morally tired so much that there were thoughts that everything was enough, even if it had already killed ...
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 3 November 2017 09: 10 New
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          Quote: 97110
          And the monopolization of the Holocaust is a dirty business. It is in the spirit of arrogant Saxons. Let the Jews, but bite the Russians off.
          So after all, according to Soviet official post-war data, there was no Holocaust!
          EVERYONE wrote about their losses, primarily the Jews. And where is the Soviet data on millions of prisoners, millions of women and children who died at the hands of the Nazis? Ah, there were none!
          They did not write, so as not to injure the easily injured German, Hungarian, Romanian new friends and their own so that they would not be horrified.

          And who of the Russians today knows how much peaceful Russian people was destroyed in the Second World War? But their number is terrible7,5-8 million women, children and the elderly.

          WHERE in memory of them is the All-Russian Memorial erected with an indication of their number and their names collected (as in Israel)? ANYWHERE!

          That’s the whole answer: you must save your memory yourself and not be afraid to tell the perpetrators of the disaster about it.
      3. Velizariy
        Velizariy 3 November 2017 09: 45 New
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        Quote: Proxima
        Given that this is the summer of the 41st

        And there will be hundreds of such surrenders, the Germans themselves are ... oh, from such a number of prisoners. It was not the Germans who were to blame for this, that hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers came to them, those who commanded, those who were in power, were to blame.
      4. Train
        Train 3 November 2017 17: 30 New
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        extermination of systematic civilians and captured-different things .... with one result ...
    2. Maz
      Maz 2 November 2017 17: 31 New
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      Yes nonsense! It was the Jews who did not obey the orders of the Wehrmacht and resisted right up to the kitchen knives, and they themselves did not go to Babi Yar like sheep for a slaughter. Resisted, fought with the cops to death. They didn’t come to the trains with all their valuable belongings, but went straight into the forest — to partisan. What can I say, there was a Holocaust only for Jews and Yad Vashem is confirmation of this. Do not believe me - go. All the heroes of the Soviet Union are hidden Jews, all the great scientists of Russia and the USSR are only Jews, all the great discoveries of mankind .... this is of course sarcasm and irony, and moreover black ... Strange, everything that the author wrote just now seemed to be noticed.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 2 November 2017 19: 49 New
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        Veterans of the Great Patriotic War, when they did not distinguish each other by nationality, for all, the war in which they fought was common. Except for one cunningly made nation. There is a separate organization of Jewish veterans of World War II. It is clear that in the ranks of the Red Army, representatives of this nationality were present, including at the front, but it is not clear that they had another war, separate, personal? If you rummage around, it turns out that most of the Jews "fought" in the evacuation. From here came the concept of “Tashkent Front”.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 2 November 2017 21: 04 New
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          Quote: Orionvit
          If you rummage around, it turns out that most of the Jews "fought" in the evacuation. From here came the concept of “Tashkent Front”.

          SHAME ON YOU?!!
          You at least look at the statistics. By the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union, Jews are in fourth place of honor. They lost in this list only to Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Tatars. Where do you think the Jews grabbed so many stars - in grocery stores?
          The Jews fought more than worthy, and even they were "not lovers" to surrender. Guess for what reason ..

          Talking about the exploits of all Soviet soldiers of Jewish nationality is simply unrealistic. Take an interest in at least this hero.
          Vladimir Zelmanovich Vayser (July 17, 1921 - December 20, 1943) - tank commander of the 2nd tank battalion of the 111th Novograd-Volyn tank brigade of the 25th tank corps of the 60th army of the 1st Ukrainian Front, junior lieutenant.
          1. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 3 November 2017 00: 28 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            SHAME ON YOU?!!

            Isn’t you ashamed ?? Zionists recorded all victims of the Great Patriotic War of Jewish origin in the Great Patriotic War as victims of the Holocaust! All without exception. So, Vladimir Zelmanovich Weiser, Hero of the Soviet Union, a victim of the Holocaust. It's kind of petty. Don't you think? Or are you not seeing any problem here?
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 3 November 2017 11: 07 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            SHAME ON YOU?!!

            I'm not ashamed. Read carefully, the conversation was not about individual representatives of a given nationality, but about the majority. Not surprisingly, a nationality with about 3 million representatives in the USSR had heroes. If you haven’t understood yet.
          3. Train
            Train 3 November 2017 17: 32 New
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            there is a standard question for veterans on the site I remember whether there were women in the answer-no, what should they do there? -on the front line, and the nurses? -the men were the orderlies-were the Jews-yes the answer is: 90 percent- nach .khim, nach, fin, nach prod.-Exceptions answers were - rare ... but there were ...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2017 17: 41 New
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              Quote: Zug
              there is a standard question for veterans on the site I remember whether there were women in the answer-no, what should they do there? -on the front line, and the nurses? -the men were the orderlies-were the Jews-yes the answer is: 90 percent- nach .khim, nach, fin, nach prod.-Exceptions answers were - rare ... but there were ...

              There were fewer Jews in the infantry (although one of my grandfathers was an infantryman before being wounded on Kursk), there were many Jews in the tank troops, in artillery, in air defense, in the marine corps, because of the relatively higher level of education.
              Nach fin and others - this applies to adult men who somehow engaged in civilian life. An accountant, for example, at that time was a respected profession among Jews. And the Jewish military translators were generally up to the figment — Yiddish is similar to German, therefore, at school and at the university a foreign language (and German was then the main foreign language, as English is now), they learned it very quickly and decently knew it
              1. Train
                Train 3 November 2017 18: 14 New
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                I just bring what I read from the words of veterans — they were practically not on the front line — they were extremely rare — from an interview with a Jew Katz-tanker — I was called the “wrong Jew” because I was at the front line constantly in the tank ... 90 percent of the respondents Jews were not seen in the rifle companies and in general on the front lines, I don’t say that they were not there but they were few ... and Jews often called us Jews for which they used to beat their faces, the bulk didn’t react at all to the affiliation, it’s like fighting well and let him fight. Once again, from the words of a soldier, hundreds of documents were read-questionnaires.
          4. albert
            albert 3 November 2017 18: 18 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            To the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union, Jews are in fourth place of honor. They lost in this list only to Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Tatars

            How is this possible? belay
          5. karabas86
            karabas86 5 November 2017 14: 52 New
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            I’m not a bit ashamed - I personally saw in one of the books in the order book “I didn’t take part in hostilities,” however, the red banner and the red star and a bunch of medals. They did not bypass their own awards, and often overwhelmed others. Class solidarity ponimash.
          6. Seal
            Seal 9 November 2017 11: 59 New
            +1
            The exploits of nations are not always logical to measure by the number of awards received. It’s not for nothing that a well-known saying was born: “And now the punishment of the innocent and the rewarding of the innocent will begin.”
            As I often cite the following situation as an example:
            Imagine that from the Headquarters of the corps to the Headquarters of the Army came a presentation for the award of the title "Hero of the Soviet Union" for 500 people. Of these, 350 are Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians), 100 are Tatars, Bashkirs, Mordovians .. and other Volga peoples, 30 are Central Asians, 15 are Transcaucasians, 3 Baltic states and 2 Jews.
            However, an instruction comes from the Army Headquarters - to reduce the list to 100 people, otherwise we won’t accept it at all. Who do you think will reduce the list? And who will remain on the shortened list?
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 November 2017 03: 52 New
          +6
          Quote: Orionvit
          Veterans of the Great Patriotic War, when they did not distinguish each other by nationality, for all, the war in which they fought was common. Except for one cunningly made nation. There is a separate organization of Jewish veterans of World War II. It is clear that in the ranks of the Red Army, representatives of this nationality were present, including at the front, but it is not clear that they had another war, separate, personal? If you rummage around, it turns out that most of the Jews "fought" in the evacuation. From here came the concept of “Tashkent Front”.

          In Tashkent, there were evacuated Polish Jews who were not citizens of the USSR. Of the half million Soviet Jews who fought, half died. The difference between the Jewish Federation of WWII Veterans is that it unites citizens of more countries - from the CIS to New Zealand, because Soviet Jews scattered around the world. Personally, both grandfathers fought at me - the brother of one of them died near Stalingrad.
          1. 97110
            97110 3 November 2017 10: 43 New
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            Of the half million Soviet Jews who fought, half died.

            Grandmother said that her uncle, returning from the imperialist, noted the anger of the Jews in hand-to-hand fighting. They stabbed the Germans, even raising their hands. And who against the Arabians hold the front? Jews, all Jews ...
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              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 November 2017 22: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: nmaxxen
                Quote: 97110
                And who against the Arabians hold the front? Jews, all Jews ...
                let them be circumcised and hold the front against each other

                On BV this is what happens :)))
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        1. Proxima
          Proxima 2 November 2017 21: 17 New
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          Quote: dvvv
          especially when you consider how they can write and ... lie, it’s better they aren’t! Not in the war in the Holocaust!

          Judging by the flag - you are Moldovan. It’s great that you are not Russian. Then I am not ashamed of you.
          1. Train
            Train 3 November 2017 18: 19 New
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            Here you are wrong — how many I didn’t read Jewish stories, you forget at the beginning of the article to look at the name patronymic duck in the form of an outpouring of narrated you go up to the top to see who gives the interview — it’s like a Jew — like he drenched the Germans in thousands, the storyhouse is dashing, and with details of all kinds, the Russian ticks didn’t get answers — what did Germany do with the population, for example, who immediately said that they wouldn’t answer, who swore that they would stop the interview if they still asked such questions. The Jews are very picturesque, they don’t tell Russians so talkative about the details of fights, hand-to-hand fighting, or the like. It is evident if a person is lying, and they are lying
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2017 22: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: Zug
              Here you are wrong — how many I didn’t read Jewish stories, you forget at the beginning of the article to look at the name patronymic duck in the form of an outpouring of narrated you go up to the top to see who gives the interview — it’s like a Jew — like he drenched the Germans in thousands, the storyhouse is dashing, and with details of all kinds, the Russian ticks didn’t get answers — what did Germany do with the population, for example, who immediately said that they wouldn’t answer, who swore that they would stop the interview if they still asked such questions. The Jews are very picturesque, they don’t tell Russians so talkative about the details of fights, hand-to-hand fighting, or the like. It is evident if a person is lying, and they are lying

              My comrade,
              in deadly agony
              do not call your friends in vain.
              Let me warm it better
              palms i
              over steaming blood
              yours.
              Don't cry, don't moan
              you're not small
              you're not hurt, you're just
              killed.
              Give me a keepsake
              you boots
              we still step
              to be.
              This is a Jew tank ace wrote. Name is Jona Degen. Lying?
              1. Train
                Train 4 November 2017 17: 11 New
                +1
                I read Diogenes, no, I just wrote about him, the tankman, but there were few of them
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 November 2017 14: 24 New
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                  Quote: Zug
                  I read Diogenes, no, I just wrote about him, the tankman, but there were few of them

                  Grandfathers told me that a lot :)
                  One was in intelligence, the other in the infantry, then after a wound (lung) and courses by a tankman. Moreover, both communists, internationalists, it made no sense to lie to them.
                  1. Train
                    Train 5 November 2017 15: 33 New
                    +1
                    Yes, there were Jews fighters! —I don’t say that there were so few of them))) And they were just scouts — a fact as if someone guerrilla fought hard
          2. Alikos
            Alikos 5 November 2017 20: 10 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            Judging by the flag - you are Moldovan. It’s great that you are not Russian. Then I am not ashamed of you.

            And what is Moldovan not a man? Has no right to say anything?
            Or do you hate them for telling the truth?
      3. AIR
        AIR 2 November 2017 21: 45 New
        +4
        Yes, what partisans! What are you talking about! These are the lambs of God ... their mother’s leg ... a Jew in the forest and partisans. Well do not tell my socks ....
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 2 November 2017 22: 20 New
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          Quote: AVIA
          Yes, what partisans! What are you talking about! These are the lambs of God ... their mother’s leg ... a Jew in the forest and partisans. Well do not tell my socks ....

          We live in the eyes of some crazy stereotypes, and even for the show we stick out our ignorance.
          Take, for example, the partisan movement in Belarus. In total, 374 thousand partisans fought in the forests of Belarus. Among them, according to the Minsk Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War, about 30 thousand Jews. In many partisan formations they made up a significant part. For example, in the Lenin brigade (Baranavichy region), out of 695 fighters and commanders, 202 were Jews. In the Vperyod brigade, 106 out of 579, respectively, in the Chkalov brigade, 239 out of 1. More than 140 Jews fought in units of the Lida partisan zone, where they accounted for 1% of all partisans. Of the 350 thousand partisans in Nalibokskaya Pushcha, 28 thousand were Jews.

          The names of the Jews who created the Jewish family partisan detachments and camps are forever inscribed in the history of the Great Patriotic War. “The idea belonged to one of the leaders of the underground organization of the Novogrudok ghetto - Tuviy Davidovich Belsky. In the early spring of 1942, Tuvius, together with his brothers Asoel, Zusey and Archik, managed to escape from the ghetto. Soon 13 more fugitives joined them. The detachment of Tuvia Belsky became a center of attraction for the prisoners of the ghettos of Novogrudok, Lida, Stolbtsov, Peace, and nearby towns. The detachment grew day by day. By the end of 1942 it had increased to 300 people, by June 1943 - to 750. In the summer of 1944, the family partisan detachment totaled 1 people! ”
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 3 November 2017 11: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: Proxima
            Take, for example, the partisan movement in Belarus

            Did they come there specifically to guerrilla? In Belarus and Ukraine, there was just a settled zone. In Berdichev, Zhytomyr, Mogilev, Gomel, most of the local population were Jews.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2017 12: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Orionvit
              Quote: Proxima
              Take, for example, the partisan movement in Belarus

              Did they come there specifically to guerrilla? In Belarus and Ukraine, there was just a settled zone. In Berdichev, Zhytomyr, Mogilev, Gomel, most of the local population were Jews.

              That's it.
            2. Train
              Train 3 November 2017 18: 25 New
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              no, my dear, they were the basis because they fled from the ghetto, just from villages to forests, from cities when they recognized or were witnesses of how the Germans killed their relatives, which was characteristic of the partisans who fought more willingly and fought fiercely in the army, yes there were relatively few of them on the front line, but in the troops, yes, if they survived and fled into the forests, then the fighters were not frail
          2. AIR
            AIR 15 November 2017 17: 15 New
            +2
            Here, apparently about this detachment, the Americans made a feature film. Take it and see. The number of Jews who hid in this detachment grew by leaps and bounds! But the fighters there were only 5-10 percent !!! They went out onto the roads, and robbed both Germans and ours. At least it was shown in the film. And although I do not believe the Americans, sometimes truthful films come out from them. This detachment joined the Russian detachments for one life. Where they were defeated. In general, if you look at how they lived, it becomes clear ... A nation of consumers, with elements of debauchery. I generally thought that the Americans came up with this. Generally about the detachment. But if you confirm, then these were detachments of looters and bandits. The only way.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 November 2017 03: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: AVIA
          Yes, what partisans! What are you talking about! These are the lambs of God ... their mother’s leg ... a Jew in the forest and partisans. Well do not tell my socks ....

          There were Jewish partisans in both Ukraine and Belarus. Kushnir's grandfathers (Trump's son-in-law) were in such a detachment. (Just in the Belsky detachment)
          1. brigadir
            brigadir 3 November 2017 10: 57 New
            +5
            Do not throw beads. You still can’t convince.
        3. Train
          Train 3 November 2017 18: 22 New
          0
          There were partisans Jews, there were partisans that killed Jews, that they fled from the ghetto, met clap in the head and into the ravine, there were partisans that killed partisans because they killed Jews. There were partisans who simply fought with the partisans, because in the detachment one commander there were Jews .... skirmishes were ..
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 November 2017 22: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Zug
            There were partisans Jews, there were partisans that killed Jews, that they fled from the ghetto, met clap in the head and into the ravine, there were partisans that killed partisans because they killed Jews. There were partisans who simply fought with the partisans, because in the detachment one commander there were Jews .... skirmishes were ..

            There were Germans killing partisans because they were Jews and partisans killing Germans because they were not Eskimos ... what for ??? ))))
            1. Train
              Train 4 November 2017 17: 12 New
              0
              everybody killed everybody
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 3 November 2017 11: 24 New
      +3
      "Of the 3,5 million prisoners of war in Germany and the allies a little more than half a million died in captivity. That is, 14,9%. These are official numbers."

      Degtyarsk city, Sverdlovsk region 5 department 476 camps9 (former 313)
      "From 1945 to 1949, in the village of Degtyarka there was a prisoner of war camp No. 313, which contained military personnel of the Wehrmacht and the armies of states allied with Nazi Germany.

      From 1949 to 1956 there was a department number 5 of special camp No. 476, the largest in the USSR. Soldiers, officers and generals convicted by the court of the military tribunal who served in punitive units, field gendarmerie, SS troops, as well as in the Gestapo, served their sentences there. For example, the former German Army Lieutenant Harald Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach, the nephew of the owner of Europe’s largest industrial concern, was kept here. He spoke with Richard Zeiss-Inquart, the son of Hitler's former governor of Austria Seuss-Inquart, and Count Siegfried von der Schulenburg, the nephew of the last German pre-war ambassador to the USSR.

      The former Adjutant of Hitler, SS Sturmbunführer Otto Günsche and SS officer Heinz Linge, were in Degtyark. O. Gunshe on April 30, 1945, Hitler instructed to burn his corpse after he, the Fuhrer, committed suicide. Otto Günsche and Linge carried the corpses of Eva Braun and Adolf Hitler out of the bunker and burned them. "
      http://memory.cdo-revda.edusite.ru/p116aa1.html
  2. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 2 November 2017 15: 43 New
    +8
    The fact that the Jews put the case in this way and made the Holocaust common to the Holocaust for their people - this does them honor, by the way. And there is something to learn, it is necessary to recognize it.
    But why did everything turn out differently? Neither in the Soviet Union, nor in the pile of independent states after the collapse, nor in Germany, for some reason, did anyone dare to draw attention to crimes against soldiers of the Red Army.
    Complete failure in memory? Why?

    Ask Tina Givievna “No Russians” Kandelaki.

    Well, how can a nation that does not exist be subjected to genocide? No way, right?
    1. ioann1
      ioann1 2 November 2017 17: 01 New
      12
      And the nightingale litter and other candelaki will soon react - kondraty.

      ... And who was weak - immediately became strong,
      And who was strong - became a hundred times stronger!
      And the enemies shouted, shocked:
      "Maybe the Russians are bewitched ?!
      Pierce them with a sword - and they live!
      You will burn them with fire - and they live!
      Hit them with an arrow - and they live!
      KILL THEM ONE TIME - AND THEY LIVE!
      And THEY LIVE - AND FIGHT! .. "
    2. Nonna
      Nonna 2 November 2017 17: 13 New
      30
      A good topic was raised by Roman. The topic of genocide of the Russian people during the Second World War is consciously silent. The greatest losses were suffered by the Russian nation. These are not only 3 million Red Army soldiers, but also terrifying numbers of 19 million civilians, of which 5 million 270 thousand children! We still cannot recover from this tragedy. All central. Russia was devastated. But they are bashfully silent about the Russian Holocaust. Russians do not have their own republic, but there is article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which for some reason applies only to Russians. Russians cannot be nationalists and love their homeland. You will not be banned anywhere and will not be sued if you say that the Russians need to be destroyed. But if you write that for the Jews, the Holocaust is a business for the dead and the number of the dead is growing exponentially, then you are anti-Semite.
      1. Alikos
        Alikos 2 November 2017 18: 30 New
        14
        Quote: Nonna
        A good topic was raised by Roman. The topic of genocide of the Russian people during the Second World War is consciously silent. The greatest losses were suffered by the Russian nation. These are not only 3 million Red Army soldiers, but also terrifying numbers of 19 million civilians, of which 5 million 270 thousand children! We still cannot recover from this tragedy. All central. Russia was devastated. But they are bashfully silent about the Russian Holocaust. Russians do not have their own republic, but there is article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which for some reason applies only to Russians. Russians cannot be nationalists and love their homeland. You will not be banned anywhere and will not be sued if you say that the Russians need to be destroyed. But if you write that for the Jews, the Holocaust is a business for the dead and the number of the dead is growing exponentially, then you are anti-Semite.

        M-yes!
        And what kind of genocide-holocaust after the 1917 revolution did the representatives of this “offended” people arrange for us Trotsky-Bronshshteins, Sverdlovs, Zalkinda, Tukhachevsky ...
        This is real Zionofascism in all its glory.
        1. groks
          groks 2 November 2017 20: 47 New
          +5
          When the Jews came to Trotsky to complain about the repression, he answered them: "I am not a Jew. I am a revolutionary!"
          1. demo
            demo 3 November 2017 06: 47 New
            +3
            Jews are not as solidly soldered to each other as it might seem.
            Yes. First comes alone. Behind him, three or four.
            And then comes the "mass relocation."
            So it was in Soviet times in many research institutes, institutes, cultural organizations.
            We sat in the "bread places".
            And the organization began to live according to Jewish laws and customs.
            Outsiders did not get there. And if they worked, then in the lower positions.
            But among the Jews themselves there were always visible, and often not visible battles.
            Therefore, a proverb appeared - two Jews will always create three parties.
            This suggests that this nation, with all its seeming unity in its essence, is sole spiders.
            If an object is stronger and more powerful than them, then a collective onslaught is needed.
            And then suck blood alone.
            And then - we spread rot of our brothers. When foreign blood ends.
            Therefore, Trotsky answered so.
            1. groks
              groks 3 November 2017 08: 32 New
              +5
              The same nation as any other. There are both good and bad.
          2. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 3 November 2017 15: 38 New
            +1
            groks Yesterday, 20:47 ↑
            When the Jews came to Trotsky to complain about the repression, he answered them: "I am not a Jew. I am a revolutionary!"
            Purely Jewish answer !!! laughing
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 November 2017 04: 12 New
          0
          And what kind of genocide-holocaust after the 1917 revolution did the representatives of this “offended” people arrange for us Trotsky-Bronshshteins, Sverdlovs, Zalkinda, Tukhachevsky ...
          This is real Zionofascism in all its glory.
          -----------------
          They were communists, not Zionists, firstly, fascism is an Italian cartoon, secondly, Tukhachevsky Russian, thirdly ... and what genocide was there? Red terror? There was white, the Civil War in the end ... dispossession? So this is Georgian Stalin, who soaked everyone from your list. Stalin's Repression? So who wrote the 4 million denunciations, the Jews? ))))
          1. demo
            demo 3 November 2017 07: 00 New
            +8
            Jews were not communists in the year 17.
            There were Jews Bolsheviks. There were Menshevik Jews. There were Jewish Cadets, Socialist-Revolutionaries.
            Even the monarchists.
            Those. all colors and shades.
            But there were Jews - the Bund.
            The first congress of the RSDLP in the history of the CPSU is absolutely not considered.
            And why not?
            Yes, because it was held like a congress of the Bund.
            Probably a lot to say what a BUND is not worth it.
            This is a purely Jewish brawl.
            And it addressed the issues of attracting representatives of other nations and peoples of the Russian Empire into its midst.
            And on this basis, opinions were divided.
            And the Bund divided.
            And the RSDLP appeared.
            And the second congress - that’s what it is considered as the beginning of the revolutionary struggle in the Republic of Ingushetia.

            The breakdown of the foundations of the state is a bloody bacchanalia.
            Some defended, while others broke, destroyed.
            And who atrocities more and who less - a question to which no one will give the correct answer.
            And pay attention.
            Most of the Russians and their kindred nations and nationalities emigrated from the Russian Empire. But the Jews remained.
            And it's not about the money to move.
            You can pull without a money, with a knapsack behind you.
            But stayed!
            So they knew that the power that came would be their own.
            But they forgot about the properties of their people.
            And paid.

            Denunciations wrote everything.
            Who could write.
            And who did not know how, he became a victim of denunciations.
            And you look for the social composition of those who fell into repressed lists.
          2. Alikos
            Alikos 5 November 2017 19: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Krasnodar
            They were communists, not Zionists, firstly, fascism is an Italian cartoon, secondly, Tukhachevsky Russian, thirdly ... and what genocide was there? Red terror? There was white, the Civil War in the end ... dispossession? So this is Georgian Stalin, who soaked everyone from your list. Stalin's Repression? So who wrote the 4 million denunciations, the Jews? ))))

            Come on Yosik, or Izya, hang noodles here, yeah!
            The Tukhachevsky villain and executioner of the Russian people, like the villain and executioner Sverdlov with the directive on the mass extermination of the Cossacks as a people, the executioner Trotsky, Rosa Zalkind and hundreds more villains
            Blame your crimes on Stalin, we will believe you ...
            Stalin is a real man, he put you on cancer and stopped the genocide of the Russian people by your brothers; Zionofashists
        3. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 3 November 2017 20: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Alikos
          And what kind of genocide-holocaust after the 1917 revolution did the representatives of this “offended” people arrange for us Trotsky-Bronshshteins, Sverdlovs, Zalkinda, Tukhachevsky ...
          This is real Zionofascism in all its glory.


          Jews always climb in front when necessary and especially when not necessary. in science, in crime in everything. national harkter such.

          but dear, were the Jews alone Bolsheviks ?! dogs can be hung on them quite a bit, but not all of them.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 November 2017 04: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Nonna
        A good topic was raised by Roman. The topic of genocide of the Russian people during the Second World War is consciously silent. The greatest losses were suffered by the Russian nation. These are not only 3 million Red Army soldiers, but also terrifying numbers of 19 million civilians, of which 5 million 270 thousand children! We still cannot recover from this tragedy. All central. Russia was devastated. But they are bashfully silent about the Russian Holocaust. Russians do not have their own republic, but there is article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which for some reason applies only to Russians. Russians cannot be nationalists and love their homeland. You will not be banned anywhere and will not be sued if you say that the Russians need to be destroyed. But if you write that for the Jews, the Holocaust is a business for the dead and the number of the dead is growing exponentially, then you are anti-Semite.

        It was not customary to talk about Russian genocide (as a nation) in the USSR, as well as about the Holocaust - everything was replaced by the term "Soviet citizens." About Soviet prisoners in general there were mentions in passing - after all, "the Russians do not give up." And yet - the Germans were not particularly talked about the collective guilt - after all, there was a friendly GDR. I remember that they corrected us at the damage of history at school — not the Germans, but the Nazis.
        As for the Jewish "bone business", this is our Jewish business. Only in Germany Jewish property was stolen for more money than all the compensation received by Jews. And all over Europe?
    3. ellada
      ellada 2 November 2017 19: 47 New
      +8
      So there is no place on television and not only. They must be driven out of Russia, since they do not recognize RUSSIAN. She recognizes Americans, but does not recognize Russians. Let him go to America.
  3. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 2 November 2017 15: 53 New
    12
    And they did it in no way of their own free will, and in the Wehrmacht and in the SS they had a number of orders of the Supreme High Command (OKW) and the top of the SS, in which "new methods of warfare" were clearly spelled out.

    Do not forget that the prisoner of war camps for a long time were run by the Wehrmacht.
    On the territory of the Reich (in the rear zone), the maintenance of prisoners of war was administered by the General Office of the Wehrmacht (Allgemeine Wehrmachtsamt, AWA), headed by the “High Command of the Wehrmacht” (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, OKW).
    In war zones and the front line, the responsibility for prisoners and front camps (front-stalag, Frontstalag) was assigned to the high command of the ground forces (Oberkommando des Heeres, OKH).

    About this lovers whitewash the Wehrmacht (they say, these are ordinary soldiers, not butchers from the SS) really do not like to remember.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 November 2017 17: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexey RA
      And they did it in no way of their own free will, and in the Wehrmacht and in the SS they had a number of orders of the Supreme High Command (OKW) and the top of the SS, in which "new methods of warfare" were clearly spelled out.

      Do not forget that the prisoner of war camps for a long time were run by the Wehrmacht.
      On the territory of the Reich (in the rear zone), the maintenance of prisoners of war was administered by the General Office of the Wehrmacht (Allgemeine Wehrmachtsamt, AWA), headed by the “High Command of the Wehrmacht” (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, OKW).
      In war zones and the front line, the responsibility for prisoners and front camps (front-stalag, Frontstalag) was assigned to the high command of the ground forces (Oberkommando des Heeres, OKH).

      About this lovers whitewash the Wehrmacht (they say, these are ordinary soldiers, not butchers from the SS) really do not like to remember.

      I recommend the first volume.
      http://www.netzulim.org/R/OrgR/Library/Shneer/Shn
      eer_Plen / c777.htm
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  4. parusnik
    parusnik 2 November 2017 16: 08 New
    +8
    The Holocaust against the Jews is a tragedy ... The Holocaust against the Soviet people is not even a tragedy ...
    1. San Sanych
      San Sanych 2 November 2017 19: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      The Holocaust against the Jews is a tragedy ... The Holocaust against the Soviet people is not even a tragedy ...

      So it turns out that according to some individuals, the Holocaust against Jews is a tragedy, and the Holocaust against non-Jews, this is just statistics ...
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 2 November 2017 16: 20 New
    12
    The most massive deception on a global scale !!!
    Jürgen Graf "The great lies of the twentieth century."
    Kunyaev S.Yu. "Priests and victims of the Holocaust."
    Harwood Richard "Six Million Lost and Found."
  6. Umnichka
    Umnichka 2 November 2017 16: 42 New
    26
    I finally read what I’ve been thinking about for a long time. The concept of "Holocaust" should be applied to all who were systematically destroyed by the Nazis and their hangers-on (Bandera, various punitive battalions, etc.). The usurpation of this concept by one nation is unacceptable, it seems to divide into the first and second grades of the dead, in such an extremely important and delicate matter double standards are a time bomb, and under the Jews themselves. This is the flip side of one coin. You cannot consider yourself exceptional; consider yourself at least an Aryan, at least a Jew, at least an American. It ends badly for the exceptional. In the Soviet Union, Tajik, Lithuanian and Russian were representatives of one single Soviet people, who remember. Liberal capitalism divided us - the old song "divide and conquer." A future cannot be created without a fair assessment of the past. Our dead are worthy of perpetuated memory as well as the dead Jews. The Germans, in my opinion, are not punished enough for opening the Pandora's box of the system of killing unarmed people, for a lesson to future generations up to the fifth knee, for example, they are obliged to pay compensation, the son and grandson are in fact responsible for the father and grandfather, otherwise everything can happen again, the prerequisites for what we already see, although absolutely nothing has passed - my mother clearly remembers the German soldiers raking food from the hut, moving to a dugout, systematic executions of teachers in the Kuban village, partisans hanged in the square, etc. But Nazism is already raising its head again. Perpetrators should be punished harder and longer in time, the dead are worthy of greater memory, with compulsory education in kindergartens (you need to start there) and schools in larger volumes than today. The slogan "Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten" should not be a slogan, but a law, the violation of which is a crime. I bow to the memory of the dead Jews, but the "Holocaust" is a common concept, all the dead are worthy of memory, and not everyone remembers their own. I have the honor.
    1. tracer
      tracer 2 November 2017 17: 07 New
      18
      My wife is Jewish by blood and by education an ordinary Orthodox Muscovite has nothing to do with Jews. But her sister suddenly realized that she was a victim of all repressions taken together. Together with the dough (Russian to the roots of the hair). And both of them are whining about the greatness of the Jews and their martyrdom not fully converted in monetary terms. No nationality here ... people in the soul of the flawed are something nasty and petty. The Holocaust is just an excuse. And their grandmother was Jewish (the kingdom of heaven to her) the whole war as a nurse in hospitals passed and never ached about either the past or her exceptionalism.
  7. Brushing
    Brushing 2 November 2017 16: 51 New
    24
    A good article is anti-Semitic .... lol
    Approximately 27 million. We died ??? - Let them be 1-2 million Jews .... and the remaining 25 million are not people by their understanding, but goyim ....
    The Holocaust is only for the Eugene Holocaust, but for the gentiles it is not the Holocaust ..... hi
  8. Dmitriy75
    Dmitriy75 2 November 2017 16: 54 New
    13
    That’s why they and the Jews with their policies, they themselves, recognize only themselves and their own benefit, if they need to, then they will not be on the side of the devil to be a bastard, all this has already passed.
  9. igorra
    igorra 2 November 2017 16: 58 New
    11
    I talked about this for a long time, though I did not divide it into peoples. At that time there was one people - the Soviet one. And let the whole world write the Holocaust with a capital letter, and we will come to the graves, commemorate our fallen, pass the march of the Immortal regiment through their native streets and in the evening without clinking glasses, we will drink the first glass ...
  10. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 2 November 2017 16: 59 New
    12
    The fact that the Jews put things this way and made the Holocaust a common Holocaust for their own people, by the way, honors them.

    This does not do them any honor!
    The author has a strange understanding of what honor
    1. San Sanych
      San Sanych 2 November 2017 19: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Hlavaty
      The fact that the Jews put things this way and made the Holocaust a common Holocaust for their own people, by the way, honors them.

      This does not do them any honor!
      The author has a strange understanding of what honor

      Trading the memory of ancestors is the last thing
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 November 2017 04: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: San Sanych
        Quote: Hlavaty
        The fact that the Jews put things this way and made the Holocaust a common Holocaust for their own people, by the way, honors them.

        This does not do them any honor!
        The author has a strange understanding of what honor

        Trading the memory of ancestors is the last thing

        :)
        Do not give Gd your grandfather (great-grandfather, just an example) will wring out a hut or a business, during a raider seizure he will die. You won’t try to return the money?
        1. Alikos
          Alikos 5 November 2017 19: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: San Sanych
          Quote: Hlavaty
          The fact that the Jews put things this way and made the Holocaust a common Holocaust for their own people, by the way, honors them.

          This does not do them any honor!
          The author has a strange understanding of what honor

          Trading the memory of ancestors is the last thing

          :)
          Do not give Gd your grandfather (great-grandfather, just an example) will wring out a hut or a business, during a raider seizure he will die. You won’t try to return the money?


          ))) Jews are afraid to write the word god like all people ...
          They write like this Krasnodar Jew "Gd", without the letter "O", and through the dash ...)))
          1. hamkan
            hamkan 5 November 2017 20: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Alikos
            Jews are afraid to write the word God like all people ..

            all people write God with a capital letter (at least).
            And the abbreviation of Gd is accepted everywhere, including Orthodoxy.
            Teach materiel lol
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 6 November 2017 22: 18 New
              +3
              Quote: hamkan
              And the abbreviation Gd is accepted everywhere

              And what does this reduction reduce? Is one character replaced by another and is it called abbreviation?
              Looks like you're just trying to fool the goyim.
  11. ioann1
    ioann1 2 November 2017 17: 04 New
    +7
    And Hitler was not German by nationality ...
  12. Brushing
    Brushing 2 November 2017 17: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: ioann1
    And Hitler was not German by nationality ...


    They say a Jew - half-breed ... lol
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 2 November 2017 17: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Still running
      Quote: ioann1
      And Hitler was not German by nationality ...


      They say a Jew - half-breed ... lol


      Last info - Blank.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 November 2017 04: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: sergo1914
        Quote: Still running
        Quote: ioann1
        And Hitler was not German by nationality ...


        They say a Jew - half-breed ... lol


        Last info - Blank.

        The developed people call Lenin’s form Pts. You have mixed up a little, but all the evil is from the Jews, so what's the difference? )))
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 3 November 2017 08: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The developed people call Lenin’s form Pts. You have mixed up a little, but all the evil is from the Jews, so what's the difference? )))


          That was sarcasm.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 November 2017 12: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: sergo1914
            Quote: Krasnodar
            The developed people call Lenin’s form Pts. You have mixed up a little, but all the evil is from the Jews, so what's the difference? )))


            That was sarcasm.

            Sorry, braked.
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    3. groks
      groks 2 November 2017 20: 42 New
      +6
      And near Leningrad there was a completely Jewish Nazi unit. Even with a mobile synagogue.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 November 2017 04: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: groks
        And near Leningrad there was a completely Jewish Nazi unit. Even with a mobile synagogue.

        -----------
        And Trotsky commanded her. But the rabbi was Hitler himself - the grandson of Berl Lazar.
        1. groks
          groks 3 November 2017 08: 33 New
          +1
          I'm not kidding. Documented. as well as the fact that the Reichstag was defended mainly by the French.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 November 2017 12: 11 New
            0
            Quote: groks
            I'm not kidding. Documented. as well as the fact that the Reichstag was defended mainly by the French.

            Finnish?
            1. groks
              groks 3 November 2017 12: 29 New
              0
              In the sense? War? Patriotic.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 November 2017 14: 03 New
                +2
                Quote: groks
                In the sense? War? Patriotic.

                Then this is nonsense. Full. German Jewish unit with a synagogue in the Wehrmacht ....))))
                Was there a kosher pig farm? What about an anti-tank submarine? What did they have with the anti-aircraft bayonet-knives?
                1. groks
                  groks 3 November 2017 18: 55 New
                  +1
                  Of course of course. And a photo of German ships carrying Jews to Palestine is a fake. By the way - why Rommel fought with the British in Africa? wink
                  The Nazis do not have a nationality. This is well illustrated by the w / on events.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 3 November 2017 22: 46 New
                    +3
                    Quote: groks
                    Of course of course. And a photo of German ships carrying Jews to Palestine is a fake. By the way - why Rommel fought with the British in Africa? wink
                    The Nazis do not have a nationality. This is well illustrated by the w / on events.

                    German ship Exodus.
                    Rommel went to Palestine to build Israel with Ben Gurion.
                    The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor to build a synagogue in its place.
                    And Hitler began World War II to increase the population of Jews ....
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 3 November 2017 20: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: groks
            I'm not kidding. Documented. as well as the fact that the Reichstag was defended mainly by the French.


            of course, and Hitler had all the cooks exclusively Zanzibar. I loved them and that's it!
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2017 22: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: Maki Avellevich
              Quote: groks
              I'm not kidding. Documented. as well as the fact that the Reichstag was defended mainly by the French.


              of course, and Hitler had all the cooks exclusively Zanzibar. I loved them and that's it!

              You do not understand, it was a dread. And the chef was Bob Marley. It was he in Berlin who smacked the Führer, but did not slam Bormann, as the Jewish song Ai Shot ve Sheriff tells
              And didnt shot the referee.
              1. groks
                groks 4 November 2017 09: 22 New
                0
                Well, gentlemen, wise men - what did the Germans fight in North Africa for?
                1. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 4 November 2017 10: 11 New
                  +4
                  Quote: groks
                  Well, gentlemen, wise men - what did the Germans fight in North Africa for?


                  for the freedom of neglected blacks and berbers?
                  for bananas?
                  1. groks
                    groks 4 November 2017 12: 23 New
                    0
                    Well, come up with - for bananas, oranges, ....
                    The huge oil fields of the Gulf were not yet discovered. So for what? Let me remind you that the Germans massively exported Jews to Palestine, apparently there was an agreement with the top. Ordinary ordinary Jews did not want to go to the desert, they had to push them to this oppression, threats. The most stubborn were gathered in camps. They were not destroyed in the camps, but forced to work hard. And often it was a meaningless job.
                    Then the system collapsed, but the camps remained. Probably collapsed and the agreement with the top of the Zionists. What they promised was covered in darkness.
                    Everything is quite logical.
                    The proposal to create a Jewish state after the war met fierce resistance from the British. But the USA and the USSR were squeezed. Did the British know something?
                    1. Maki Avellevich
                      Maki Avellevich 4 November 2017 15: 11 New
                      +3
                      Quote: groks
                      The huge oil fields of the Gulf were not yet discovered. So for what? Let me remind you that the Germans massively exported Jews to Palestine, apparently there was an agreement with the top. Ordinary ordinary Jews did not want to go to the desert, they had to push them to this oppression, threats. The most stubborn were gathered in camps. They were not destroyed in the camps, but forced to work hard. And often it was a meaningless job.


                      "If I scratch in the back of the head - it doesn’t matter! In the head of my sawdust - yes, yes, yes! But, although there are sawdust, but chants and shouts (as well as noisers, puffers and sniffles) I compose quite well sometimes, yes!"

                      Winnie the Pooh
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 November 2017 17: 02 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Maki Avellevich
                        Quote: groks
                        The huge oil fields of the Gulf were not yet discovered. So for what? Let me remind you that the Germans massively exported Jews to Palestine, apparently there was an agreement with the top. Ordinary ordinary Jews did not want to go to the desert, they had to push them to this oppression, threats. The most stubborn were gathered in camps. They were not destroyed in the camps, but forced to work hard. And often it was a meaningless job.


                        "If I scratch in the back of the head - it doesn’t matter! In the head of my sawdust - yes, yes, yes! But, although there are sawdust, but chants and shouts (as well as noisers, puffers and sniffles) I compose quite well sometimes, yes!"

                        Winnie the Pooh

                        A plan is such a thing. When he is, he is not there at once!
                    2. Maki Avellevich
                      Maki Avellevich 4 November 2017 15: 30 New
                      +2
                      Quote: groks
                      They were not destroyed in the camps, but forced to work hard.

                      1. groks
                        groks 5 November 2017 10: 04 New
                        +1
                        This is to the Earl. He disassembled this thing to the millimeter.
                        What in general - did you have to wait for an epidemic?
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 4 November 2017 17: 00 New
                  +2
                  Quote: groks
                  Well, gentlemen, wise men - what did the Germans fight in North Africa for?

                  Saved the idiot Mussolini
                  1. groks
                    groks 5 November 2017 10: 06 New
                    0
                    And what did Mussolini want there?
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 5 November 2017 14: 52 New
                      +2
                      Quote: groks
                      And what did Mussolini want there?

                      Great Italy.
                      1. groks
                        groks 6 November 2017 16: 32 New
                        0
                        In Africa?! Well, damn it - fantasy!
  13. meandr51
    meandr51 2 November 2017 17: 06 New
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    The figure of the murdered European Jews was taken from the ceiling and overestimated by about 10 times. If we trace the evolution of this figure, then immediately after the war, in hot pursuit, it amounted to 600 thousand. Then someone thought "not enough" and gradually raised it to 6 million. So the Red Army is much more unhappy.
    The Holocaust myth of the Jews has become ubiquitous. They are famous dreamers ... Yes, and there is no sense in the "death camps". It is simply unprofitable. It’s cheaper to bury on the spot than to carry it first in trains and place in barracks. And the Germans always knew how to count money.
    They worked in the camps. I saw on TV an interview with a Jew camp. He innocently admitted that they in the barracks made a simple snap of 16 machine gun trunks a day each. The military production of components and components of equipment in Germany was greatly fragmented, due to which it survived, despite the bombing.
    By the way, in Buchenwald, convicts were even trusted to build V-2 missiles in underground workshops. Well, and what was the point of the Nazis destroying their own skilled workers? Most prisoners simply died of starvation in the 45th, when a network of iron and highways was destroyed due to American bombing. expensive and stopped the supply of food.
    1. Evgenijus
      Evgenijus 2 November 2017 17: 24 New
      12
      Have you been to Auschwitz-Birkenau? Read about this institution documents? The memoirs of the members of the special team, a few of them survived, and who did not survive, so wrote a note about what he saw in a day. These diaries were later found in pits of ash from corpses of crematoriums burnt in kilns. Do you know how many furnaces in this camp were? And how many trains with suicide bombers arrived in the month to be burned? How much did one train accommodate prisoners?
      What language grind?
    2. Lex.
      Lex. 2 November 2017 19: 10 New
      +4
      No need to write nonsense, someone has not underestimated anything,
      By the way, in Buchenwald, convicts were even trusted to build V-2 missiles in underground workshops. Well, what was the point of the Nazis destroying their own skilled workers
      You still write how humane these Germans are, in a buchenwald someone did not collect rockets
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2017 04: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: meandr51
      The figure of the murdered European Jews was taken from the ceiling and overestimated by about 10 times. If we trace the evolution of this figure, then immediately after the war, in hot pursuit, it amounted to 600 thousand. Then someone thought "not enough" and gradually raised it to 6 million. So the Red Army is much more unhappy.
      The Holocaust myth of the Jews has become ubiquitous. They are famous dreamers ... Yes, and there is no sense in the "death camps". It is simply unprofitable. It’s cheaper to bury on the spot than to carry it first in trains and place in barracks. And the Germans always knew how to count money.
      They worked in the camps. I saw on TV an interview with a Jew camp. He innocently admitted that they in the barracks made a simple snap of 16 machine gun trunks a day each. The military production of components and components of equipment in Germany was greatly fragmented, due to which it survived, despite the bombing.
      By the way, in Buchenwald, convicts were even trusted to build V-2 missiles in underground workshops. Well, and what was the point of the Nazis destroying their own skilled workers? Most prisoners simply died of starvation in the 45th, when a network of iron and highways was destroyed due to American bombing. expensive and stopped the supply of food.

      Soviet veterans who liberated the concentration camps told another story. Yes, and the trial of Holocaust denial was to the finish line. A hackneyed topic about "real world evil."
    4. karabas86
      karabas86 5 November 2017 15: 04 New
      +2
      Now about 7 million taldychat. And by the way, they justify that the Lochocost has genetic consequences for the offspring, so pay Hans forever.
  14. SHAH
    SHAH 2 November 2017 17: 17 New
    +7
    When the power, money, media are in the hands of the Jews, and the Russians allowed it, therefore there is no other Holocaust except the Jewish. [I] [/ i]
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 3 November 2017 21: 38 New
      -1
      The only smart saying out of dozens of many.
  15. Brushing
    Brushing 2 November 2017 17: 18 New
    +6
    Quote: meandr51
    The figure of the murdered European Jews was taken from the ceiling and overestimated by about 10 times. If we trace the evolution of this figure, then immediately after the war, in hot pursuit, it amounted to 600 thousand. Then someone thought "not enough" and gradually raised it to 6 million. So the Red Army is much more unhappy.
    The Holocaust myth of the Jews has become ubiquitous. They are famous dreamers ... Yes, and there is no sense in the "death camps". It is simply unprofitable. It’s cheaper to bury on the spot than to carry it first in trains and place in barracks. And the Germans always knew how to count money.


    It’s understandable .... it’s like Stalin’s repressions-only Jews are trending ...
    I’m not saying that there were no repressions at all .... there probably were, but among my relatives and relatives of my acquaintances there were no repressed .... and you listen to the Jews-so they are all descendants of the repressed .... hi
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 November 2017 17: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: Still running


      It’s understandable .... it’s like Stalin’s repressions-only Jews are trending ...
      I’m not saying that there were no repressions at all .... there probably were, but among my relatives and relatives of my acquaintances there were no repressed .... and you listen to the Jews-so they are all descendants of the repressed .... hi

      Well it is clear.
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    3. sanja.grw
      sanja.grw 2 November 2017 22: 42 New
      +5
      I’m not saying that there were no repressions ... probably there were, but among my relatives and relatives of my acquaintances there were no repressed .... and you listen to the Jews - so they are all descendants of the repressed

      I’ve always wondered about repressions, in their opinion almost 100 million were repressed, 10 million were shot, and that’s with a population of about 200 million people. It means almost every second or third person, and every 20 greens were smeared with their forehead. I’m for my 40+ not from anyone (neither from relatives, close or distant, nor from friends, acquaintances, but for 40 years there were not a few of them) I have not heard about any repression
    4. Umnichka
      Umnichka 3 November 2017 03: 32 New
      +2
      My relatives are all from the Kuban Cossacks, Labinsky district. All were not poor, I remember the stories of grandparents, aunts and uncles. There were no repressed. They fought at the front. Something like this. Holocaust alone at all. Purely only the Jewish Holocaust does not recognize.
  16. rus-5819
    rus-5819 2 November 2017 18: 15 New
    +7
    This is our common tragedy, this is our common Holocaust.

    Everything is very correctly written, but I would add that the Holocaust against Russians, Ukrainians and other peoples in the Donbass is no less than in the XNUMXth century. And their homegrown fascists commit it with the full connivance, and sometimes by direct order of the "" enlightened Europe "and" "God's chosen" "America
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 2 November 2017 19: 02 New
      +1
      And it seems to me right that they share the concepts. Because the Holocaust of the Jews is the systematic destruction of the Jewish people: citizens who are not supposed to fight as if (there are exceptions), but the rest in the article are warriors, old and young, who have risen to defend their homeland. And they gave their lives in the name of victory ..
      1. groks
        groks 2 November 2017 20: 37 New
        +1
        Yes? And what to do with Khatyn? And with Sandy Log?
  17. Type 63
    Type 63 2 November 2017 18: 24 New
    +6
    Waving the Holocaust like a flag, the inhabitants of the Jordan Valley got the opportunity to do whatever they want
  18. Prole
    Prole 2 November 2017 18: 31 New
    +4
    So do not confuse those Jews who lived and died during the Second World War and those who are now PR on their blood. What is this article about? Those Jews who were, after all, they were driven into camps by deceit. The fascists were not fools and the Jews were also smart. And where do you trample against the machine if you have a wife and children in your arms. That's what is now in Ukraine. Are there many Russian-speaking partisans fighting the bloody junta? And there is the Holocaust, just the opposite.
  19. Gronsky
    Gronsky 2 November 2017 19: 34 New
    +2
    implies all: Jews, Poles, Gypsies and Red Army fighters: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Jews, Moldavians, Tatars, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Georgians, Bashkirs, all

    The author is against the usurpation of the concept of the Holocaust by one nation, this is understandable.
    But why, even in his article, listing the victims, he mentioned the Jews twice. Straight rock is some kind. Apparently the Jews were the MOST SUFFERED.
  20. victorrat
    victorrat 2 November 2017 19: 39 New
    +2
    My grandfather was recorded as a Jew, although his mother was a gypsy. He went through the war with 43 of the year in the anti-aircraft deputy commander of the gun. He returned to 46. Not a single medal, although with a gun came to the Oder. I did not say anything. But his commander did not like the Jews and did not represent. There is nothing in the archives upon request, although the military ID is witness No. regiment and the rank of senior sergeant. This whole story is about Jews from their persecution and pogroms. It is amazing that this people has survived and is famous for its scientists, poets, leaders. Maybe they deserve the Holocaust?
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  22. 32363
    32363 2 November 2017 20: 05 New
    +4
    infa for thought
    Why have Jews invented several 1915 million Holocausts since 6?

  23. Head Physician
    Head Physician 2 November 2017 20: 24 New
    17
    Almost as many Jews died as our prisoners of war
    Why excesses - it is not clear
    I’m used to feeling like centuries-old sufferers
    But people are very sorry. The death of European Jews was at hand for some
  24. groks
    groks 2 November 2017 20: 28 New
    +6
    NDA - the theme is heading into anti-Sovietism and anti-Sovietism. Despite the fact that everything has been discussed for a long time (s).
    What can be added. Trading interested parties, their dead looks simply indecent. "20 million! Yes, have mercy - there were so many of them in all of Europe. Then ten! Yes, too, because it doesn’t show the corresponding decrease. Well then, 5,8 and this is final! Well, to hell with you - you still won’t leave behind. And how much is actually - now it’s impossible to find out, since everyone has been worn out.
    How many of ours died is also covered in darkness. At first it was beneficial to exaggerate for propaganda purposes, then Khrushchev tried to blame everything on Stalin, then they realized it, but it was too late. It is clear that a lot. Moreover, it was not only about prisoners of war, the author of the article did not mention civilians, who were also driven to the camps and destroyed on the spot.
    Count is often accused of bias because he is German. But he examines the impossibility of precisely the methods of mass extermination of people referred to by the witnesses of the Holocaust (with a big yes?). And you can’t argue with the laws of nature.
    But. There is a book of Austrian Jew Frankl - "Psychologist in a concentration camp." The book itself is interesting. But there interesting moments slip in precisely in this regard. Who met and immediately scammed the new arrivals, as they waited with horror for the gas chambers and ... and was silent. How decent Germans from the camp leadership behaved. I advise you to read it.
    Another author separates the Russians for some reason. Although it’s right to talk about the destruction of the Soviet people. Which included both Russians and Jews and Kazakhs ... .Nas to calculate the percentage of deaths by nationality and then what to do about it? Be proud of the quantity? How are the witnesses of the Holocaust? What muck.
    For information. 1. In the then Germany, a person was considered a Jew if he had at least three grandparents were Jews. I do not think that there were so many. 2. Soviet Jews did not fall into the victims of the Holocaust? Well then? Maybe because they were Soviet? And for Holocaust witnesses, it’s kind of like not quite Jews?
    1. brigadir
      brigadir 3 November 2017 11: 11 New
      +2
      For information. 1. In the then Germany, a person was considered a Jew if he had at least three grandparents were Jews. I do not think that there were so many. 2. Soviet Jews did not fall into the victims of the Holocaust? Well then? Maybe because they were Soviet? And for Holocaust witnesses, it’s kind of like not quite Jews?


      On the contrary: If at least one of the four grandparents was a Jew.
      The Law on Return in Israel is based on this principle. And on the basis of this law, a lot of people came to Israel, whose connection with the Jewish people is very, very symbolic.
      Of those who did not use Israel as a transit point, the vast majority are true patriots.
      1. groks
        groks 6 November 2017 16: 39 New
        0
        I didn’t write about Israel, but even about Germany. Israel had to get at least some population.
        In Russia, Georgians, Kazakhs, Swedes, Germans, ... and, of course, Jews were patriots. Such patriots that Israel never dreamed of.
  25. mavrus
    mavrus 2 November 2017 21: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Evrodav
    The most massive deception on a global scale !!!
    Jürgen Graf "The great lies of the twentieth century."
    Kunyaev S.Yu. "Priests and victims of the Holocaust."
    Harwood Richard "Six Million Lost and Found."

    But for this, not only in Israel, but also in “civilized” countries, you can get a good deal of time ... It’s forbidden not only to doubt, but also to try to check where this “figure” came from - 6 million. Oh how!
  26. Jamaal Asif
    Jamaal Asif 2 November 2017 21: 44 New
    0
    What can I say, we do not value or respect our own. Beginning of the 17th. How many domestic cleanings. And then many who went through the concentration camps “there” got no less “concentration camps” here.
  27. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 2 November 2017 22: 18 New
    +5
    Thank you Roman for "raising" this topic! This topic is that the wound is sprinkled with salt (!), But we must talk about it! And here’s why ..: Somehow here ... (in VO) I spoke out about the Holocaust in the same sense as Roman in my article ... And the reason was that the VE had once mentioned the Holocaust (or Holocaust, whatever you want ...) ... and, of course, it was "about the Jews"! What happened then ?! The Israeli "comrades" began with "sobs and curses" to "deepen" the theme of the Holocaust ... But what I noticed ... they "mourned" only themselves, their beloved ... as if there were no 27.000000 (!) Dead Soviet people (to a large extent, Slavs) against 6.000000 Jews ... I could not resist and spoke out about this ... and the genocide of the Slavic peoples, and the incomparability of the "numbers" of losses. What started then! "Jewish Citizens" attacked speaking badly at me! But ... "don't give a damn about it" ... the main thing (!) - they "confidently and adamantly" believed that only the genocide of the Jews ragedy №1.a everything else (27.000000) is in the background ... Of course, they didn’t talk about it directly, but it was a “red thread” in their “statements.” That’s why, I emphasize again that the theme raised by Roman. is very relevant!
  28. aleut777
    aleut777 2 November 2017 22: 55 New
    +1
    An article about the Holocaust and the Holocaust. It’s watered correctly and completely censored, you won’t say anything! But why, when talking about these topics and about the True Truth about the Great Patriotic War, NOBODY, NEVER, and NEVER says that the Unconditional surrender is signed ONLY and ONLY - with the Armed Forces of the Third Reich, and neither by the political regime of the NSDAP (SS), nor The state "Germany" has nowhere been concluded and signed with the USSR either the second Act of Unconditional Surrender, or the third Act of Surrender. And where is the Signature of my respected comrade Generalissimo Joseph Vissarionovich STALIN? Fascist Germany, clearly, but the Fascist imperial regime of Japan, let’s see - all three Capitulations from the USA were signed: (1) Imperial fascism, (2) State-political and (3) armed forces. Moreover, we are the Russian Federation (the successor to the USSR) TODAY with Japan - in a state of World War II, and Nuremberg over Japan has not been and is not, to this day. None of the Commentaries on the Holocaust by the Fascist International - also has a topic, why?
    1. Alexey Pishenkov
      Alexey Pishenkov 2 November 2017 23: 49 New
      0
      ... this is because no one wants to hear the real truth about the war, NEVER and NEVER, either side, especially the winners. War in general is dirty and unfair in all respects. The losers in the Second World War have been completely dismantled, trampled into the mud, condemned, and they no longer want to worry about it again and again, but from the side of the winners it is somehow inconvenient to pull the light of God, brutality and betrayal - the image breaks.
  29. Alexey Pishenkov
    Alexey Pishenkov 2 November 2017 23: 01 New
    +1
    I started reading - the correct article seems to be. I read it to the middle - correct, but somehow it’s not so ... The Holocaust is really in the original concept of “mass destruction” and such “privatization” of this concept by one people is just as unfair to water. Toward the end, I realized that I was somewhat skewed at all of this - the fact that the author for some reason focused on the dead prisoners of war and on the Soviet ones. Proceeding from the logic of the author himself, the list should be continued and first of all remembered how and why these same prisoners of war were there and it was under such conditions, and secondly, how many Soviet people did not even survive until this captivity their own commanders and commanders were thrown into different "cauldrons", sent into attacks without weapons until the Germans machine guns overheated or wave after wave of weapons ... The losses from all this are such that exceed the Jews and prisoners of war taken together, is it is not the Holocaust? ... with a capital, capital letter? And their camps in general within the country? ... By the way, in the end, most of those Soviet citizens who somehow survived the German, apparently, precisely because they survived, got into them ... With the data from Solzhenitsyn, you can, of course argue, but the fact that the total number of those killed there is more than all the Jews + prisoners of war + the front is unlikely to be called into question today ... Is this not the Holocaust? ... Here, I'm sorry, I use the author’s words
    “Complete memory failure? Why?” Or is it because winners are not judged? Or does not fit into the patriotic line? By the way, our allies in the war were also victorious. Half of Germany’s cities were simply thrown with land mines and incendiary bombs without any “humanitarian corridors”, that is, with the entire civilian population, and then they generally tested the new bomb on the Japanese - one second “boom!” and in Hiroshima alone, ninety thousand dead (this is not taking into account those that subsequently died another 300 thousand and disabled children are still born) ... This is such an X (x) olokost that Hitler never dreamed of!
    Again the words of the author
    "The question is the right Holocaust. It's a memory. It's an honor." - I can’t but agree, only then really it is necessary to remember all those who were destroyed, as well as all those responsible ... on ALL sides. To condemn and not to forget, so that nothing like this happens again. And then again, somehow it turns out one-sidedly, such a strange Holocaust, the letter "x" ... neither big nor small ....
  30. Cop
    Cop 3 November 2017 00: 21 New
    +2
    ...... and they themselves did not go to Babi Yar like sheep for a slaughter.

    Open the book of A. Kuznetsov, it’s called “Babi Yar” and read how they didn’t go ...., almost ran ...
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 3 November 2017 01: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Cop
      Open the book of A. Kuznetsov, it’s called “Babi Yar” and read how they didn’t go ...., almost ran ...

      This is just a work of art ... The Nuremberg Tribunal refused those documents of the Soviet commission on Babi Yar. Because there were no facts and material evidence. The testimonies of the “witnesses” turned out to be confused and contradictory, it was clear that these people were not there ...
  31. Zina389
    Zina389 3 November 2017 02: 56 New
    +5
    An article from the very beginning juggling. The Holocaust is not when prisoners die of hunger, soldiers die, hostages are shot, civilians are taken away for slave labor, etc. All of the above is called "war crimes." Punishment and compensation also relies on such crimes. Stalin decided not to strictly punish all Germans, looking into the future, so to speak. . The punishment was suffered by the SS and traitors, including primarily Ukrainian and Baltic punishers. German soldiers worked for many years restoring the USSR and all the compensation that was deemed necessary was withheld from Germany by the USSR immediately after the war. The Holocaust is an attempt to destroy an entire nation (Jewish and Gypsy), men who could resist, but also women, old people, children, all to one, and not only in the USSR, but also all countries controlled by Nazi Germany. The author intentionally mixes the concepts. In that war, far more Russians were killed, and Germans were also more than Jews, but the essence of this does not change.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 3 November 2017 05: 45 New
      +2
      As K. Prutkov used to say: "See the root!" You are trying to “look away”, focusing on formal definitions. If you pay attention to the “form” of definitions, you can probably say that these are “war crimes”, and the Holocaust may be nearby, but, anyway , aside ... But the meaning of the article is different! The fact that “everyone knows” about the Holocaust of Jews in “Europe”, even in the states; But there they are “modestly” silent about the Holocaust of the Slavic peoples! In Germany, German society, while not denying Jewish genocide, does not recognize Slavic genocide! I was also struck by the attitude of Israeli citizens (who "shone" at that time) towards the genocide of Jews and Slavs (previous comment)!:. The Holocaust of Jews is a tragedy No. 1 , crime No.1, and the genocide of the Slavic peoples: ... byva-a-a-et (!) ... they say, the war is still ....! That is why I believe that the author correctly drew attention to a topic that, unfortunately, is often silent. Yes, even you are trying to belittle the meaning of the article by not understanding it or not wanting to understand. PS. all compensation that was deemed necessary was withheld from Germany by the USSR immediately after the war. ..... What are you saying?! Reparations (your compensation ...) paid by Germany, as a result, amounted to less than 5% of the damage caused by Germany to the economy of the USSR! Payments by West Germany actually ceased shortly after the formation of the Federal Republic of Germany; The GDR "forgave" the reparations in 1954. Or maybe you yourself tell me how many Jews received reparations after the war? The amount is not small! And payments are still being made under different “headings”!
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 November 2017 06: 20 New
        +2
        1) Jews living in all countries of the world build Holocaust museums under one name or another. Russian, living in different countries, about the genocide of the Slavs is not something that does not spread ... do not bother with this.
        2) about the "total war" against the Slavs (genocide) and the crimes of the Germans against the Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians write all Western historians covering the topic of WWII. This remains in the sphere of interests of history buffs, as neither the Russian Foreign Ministry nor the min. cultures do nothing to inform the masses of the planet about the genocide of the peoples of the USSR.
        3) Money not received from Germany and the GDR shows the degree of incompetence (or indifference) of the USSR government in this matter.
        4) I bring up my eldest son as follows:
        In this life you can only rely on yourself. Nobody will give you anything, you have to take it yourself.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 5 November 2017 04: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Krasnodar
          about the "total war" against the Slavs (genocide) and the crimes of the Germans against the Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians write all Western historians covering the topic of WWII.

          "All" is how much? Who, specifically? Since “all”, bring the heels of “authorities” and their works!
          Quote: Krasnodar
          3) Money not received from Germany and the GDR shows the degree of incompetence (or indifference) of the USSR government in this matter.

          I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yeryoma! "money not received from the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic ...... incompetence of the government of the USSR ..." is not the main question of the author’s article! The main idea of ​​the author is in another! We must answer in essence, and not "cast a shadow on the wattle fence!"
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 5 November 2017 15: 01 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Quote: Krasnodar
            about the "total war" against the Slavs (genocide) and the crimes of the Germans against the Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians write all Western historians covering the topic of WWII.

            "All" is how much? Who, specifically? Since “all”, bring the heels of “authorities” and their works!
            Quote: Krasnodar
            3) Money not received from Germany and the GDR shows the degree of incompetence (or indifference) of the USSR government in this matter.

            I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yeryoma! "money not received from the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic ...... incompetence of the government of the USSR ..." is not the main question of the author’s article! The main idea of ​​the author is in another! We must answer in essence, and not "cast a shadow on the wattle fence!"

            Authors? Starting with Beaver (the most popular)
            But in essence - when there is a Russian community in London and a Jewish community in London, why is there a museum of the Holocaust, but there is no museum of the Slavic genocide (or WWII)? Russian people living in London are rich ..
            The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation do not promote this topic in the world, unlike all state structures of Israel.

            It’s necessary to move, and not think about how to master the budget or “I’ll hide my hut”
      2. Alexey Pishenkov
        Alexey Pishenkov 3 November 2017 13: 10 New
        +3
        ... for the sake of truth, it must nevertheless be noted that, unlike the Jews themselves, no targeted program for the extermination of Slavic peoples among the Nazis never existed, as no one had ever purposefully executed it. Yes, they considered people of the "second grade", whose losses are not worth looking at, but were killed by the thousands, entire villages were burned out with the inhabitants, they were rotten in the camps like cattle, etc. That was all of course. But they didn’t kill any of these victims precisely because a Russian or a Pole and whether a Czech or a Ukrainian ... Yes, there was just a simple suspicion of helping the partisans or the banal failure to comply with the camp schedule - and immediately a bullet or a loop, the hostages were shot at different punitive operations, etc. The result is millions of victims. But all the same, it’s not at all for the fact that the Slavs or not ... But Jews and Gypsies were really killed already simply for who they were by nationality, and they were killed purposefully and systematically ...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 5 November 2017 04: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexey Pishenkov
          ... for the sake of truth, it must nevertheless be noted that, unlike the Jews themselves, no targeted program for the extermination of Slavic peoples among the Nazis never existed, as no one had ever purposefully executed it. Yes, they considered people of the "second grade", whose losses are not worth looking at, but were killed by the thousands, entire villages were burned out with the inhabitants, they were rotten in the camps like cattle, etc. That was all of course. But they didn’t kill any of these victims precisely because the Russian or Pole, whether Czech or Ukrainian ... Yes, there was just a simple suspicion of helping the partisans or the banal failure to comply with the camp’s routine - and immediately a bullet or a loop, the hostages were shot at different punitive operations, etc. The result is millions of victims. But all the same, it’s not at all for the fact that the Slavs or not ... But Jews and Gypsies were really killed already simply for who they were by nationality, and they were killed purposefully and systematically

          even before the war, Hitler said the following:
          “We ... must develop the technique of depopulation. If you ask me what I mean by depopulation, I will say that I mean the elimination of whole racial units. "I have the right to eliminate millions of lower races that multiply like worms." (Frolov MI and others. The Great Patriotic War in the textbook "History of Russia. XX century"). Under the "lower races" Hitler meant: Slavic peoples, Jews, Gypsies ... "
          Now, in fact, the numbers themselves:
          “By the beginning of the 1943 year, an enormous territory (about 2 million square kilometers), on which for various reasons at least 73 million people remained, was under enemy occupation. The basis for calculating civilian casualties was the demographic balance method — a way of comparing the size and age structure of the USSR population at the beginning and end of the war. This calculation was carried out for the period from June 22 to 1941 year to December 31 to 1945 year. Total casualties during the war amounted to 26,6 million people:
          intentionally destroyed in the temporarily occupied territories - 7 420 379 people (including 216 431 children);
          died in forced labor in Germany - 2 164 313 people (including 451,1 thousand defectors from among the migrant workers who became emigrants);
          died from the harsh conditions of the occupation regime (hunger, infectious diseases, lack of medical care) - 4 100 000.
          In total, civilian casualties in the temporarily occupied territories amounted to 13 684 692 people.
          Large losses were suffered by the civilian population, who found themselves in front-line districts, besieged and besieged cities. In Leningrad, during the land blockade of the city, at least 800 thousand people died of starvation, and 17 thousand people died from shelling of the enemy. "Tens of thousands are calculated the loss of population from enemy bombing of Minsk, Sevastopol, Kerch, Smolensk, Tula, Kharkov, Stalingrad, Murmansk."
          That is, the victims among the civilian population of the Soviet Union (Russia) are more (!!!) than the losses of the Red Army. We discard all propaganda myths that someone piled up enemy trenches with piles of bodies, and we look only at the casualty figures among the civilian population. In order to see in proportion who paid what price in the fight against the “axis countries.” PS I did not want to first answer your petty “comment”; but decided, nevertheless, that such dirty tricks should not be ignored.
  32. tasha
    tasha 3 November 2017 07: 45 New
    +2
    Data on the number of Soviet prisoners of war were not particularly advertised, because there is no answer why there are so many ...

    The extermination of the Jews is a separate line, because the probability of survival in the occupied territories was close to zero. Are you a man, woman, child or old man, talented or not, healthy or sick. Never mind. Jew? In the pit ... Of course, there were people who speculate on the Holocaust ... This is a separate issue.
  33. Velizariy
    Velizariy 3 November 2017 09: 24 New
    +1
    Holocaust (from English holocaust, from other Greek. -Λοκαύστος - "burnt offering")
    Now reveal the term “burnt offering” and rethink your writings about uppercase and lowercase letters ...
  34. Ostrovsky
    Ostrovsky 3 November 2017 10: 44 New
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    Is a sane person can only believe in the Jewish Holocaust. Other nationalities were destroyed on a racial basis.
    1. brigadir
      brigadir 3 November 2017 11: 12 New
      +4
      What (except gypsies during the Second World War and Armenians by the Turks)?
  35. Brushing
    Brushing 3 November 2017 11: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: victorrat
    My grandfather was recorded as a Jew, although his mother was a gypsy. He went through the war with 43 of the year in the anti-aircraft deputy commander of the gun. He returned to 46. Not a single medal, although with a gun came to the Oder. I did not say anything. But his commander did not like the Jews and did not represent. There is nothing in the archives upon request, although the military ID is witness No. regiment and the rank of senior sergeant. This whole story is about Jews from their persecution and pogroms. It is amazing that this people has survived and is famous for its scientists, poets, leaders. Maybe they deserve the Holocaust?


    Stop showing off .... be more modest, and then your Semitic stench gives Nazism !!!)))
    There are many peoples on Earth and each one is talented in their own way and each has contributed a bit to the development of mankind, but only the Semites are trending about their exceptionalism and what they have done more than others .... )))
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2017 12: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Still running
      Quote: victorrat
      My grandfather was recorded as a Jew, although his mother was a gypsy. He went through the war with 43 of the year in the anti-aircraft deputy commander of the gun. He returned to 46. Not a single medal, although with a gun came to the Oder. I did not say anything. But his commander did not like the Jews and did not represent. There is nothing in the archives upon request, although the military ID is witness No. regiment and the rank of senior sergeant. This whole story is about Jews from their persecution and pogroms. It is amazing that this people has survived and is famous for its scientists, poets, leaders. Maybe they deserve the Holocaust?


      Stop showing off .... be more modest, and then your Semitic stench gives Nazism !!!)))
      There are many peoples on Earth and each one is talented in their own way and each has contributed a bit to the development of mankind, but only the Semites are trending about their exceptionalism and what they have done more than others .... )))

      -------
      The last 70 years in the face give :)
      1. Train
        Train 3 November 2017 17: 28 New
        +1
        They really didn’t like Urevs at the front line, there were few of them there, just as women were not particularly loved ...
  36. Cop
    Cop 3 November 2017 11: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: Fedya2017
    Quote: Cop
    Open the book of A. Kuznetsov, it’s called “Babi Yar” and read how they didn’t go ...., almost ran ...

    This is just a work of art ... The Nuremberg Tribunal refused those documents of the Soviet commission on Babi Yar. Because there were no facts and material evidence. The testimonies of the “witnesses” turned out to be confused and contradictory, it was clear that these people were not there ...

    Is that true? But the author of the book in his preamble to it writes that everything in this book is true and nothing but the truth .....
    DIGGERS digging holes, exposing deposits of corpses that were bluish-gray, caked, tamped and intertwined. Pulling them out was torment. [On some bodies, especially children, there were no injuries - those who were bombarded alive. The bodies of some women, especially young ones, were, on the contrary, sadistically mutilated, probably before death.]
    From stench, the Germans pinched their noses, some became ill. The guards sat on the slopes of the ravine, and between each boot stood a bottle of vodka stuck in the sand, from time to time they were applied to it, so all Germans in the ravine were constantly drunk.
    Excavators did not receive vodka, at first they also felt sick, but gradually got used to it, there was no way out, they worked, clinking their chains.
    HOOKS pulled out corpses and dragged them to the stoves. They were given specially forged metal rods with a handle on one end and a hook on the other

    In my opinion, such lines could be written only by the one who saw this, well, or a person with a perverted worldview. I am so inclined to the first point of view, and you? And the Nuremberg Tribunal? So the Soviet delegation representing the interests of the USSR on it initially discussed topics that the Tribunal will not touch upon. Well, the “allies” could well repay the same .....
  37. XXXIII
    XXXIII 3 November 2017 11: 39 New
    +3
    Why is the Holocaust of the Jews more important than the Holocaust of other nations?
    In itself, the "Holocaust" is the extermination of peoples in a broad understanding, in the narrow understanding it is the targeted destruction of individual ethnic groups and their persecution on a national basis ..... So if one of the Jews thinks that (the most Jewish victims of the Holocaust) , then it doesn’t do honor to them, let pride amuse them ..... those who were in those deadly conditions and survived do not think so ..... hi But most importantly, it should be noted that "all nations" survived in this terrible destruction of humanity and thanks to all the nations who helped to defeat "fascism" ..... drinks
  38. Train
    Train 3 November 2017 17: 25 New
    +1
    A soldier who has been captured and destroyed a civilian is different things-A soldier can protect himself from captivity with weapons in his hands (of course, for various reasons, he was captured, unconscious) -Another thing is a civilian-unarmed person -without arms comrades and not as part of any units falls into the hands of the executioner, there is a difference, but not the essence, the Russians liberated the Jews ... and those apparently do not particularly like to remember these things ..
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2017 17: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Zug
      A soldier who has been captured and destroyed a civilian is different things-A soldier can protect himself from captivity with weapons in his hands (of course, for various reasons, he was captured, unconscious) -Another thing is a civilian-unarmed person -without arms comrades and not as part of any units falls into the hands of the executioner, there is a difference, but not the essence, the Russians liberated the Jews ... and those apparently do not particularly like to remember these things ..

      Then in Israel, a monument to the Red Army participants in the Great Patriotic War was erected ..: Putin was at the Discovery.
  39. Natalia777
    Natalia777 3 November 2017 21: 33 New
    +2
    The correct article. I also thought and talked about it. It is necessary that deputies read this article and restore justice and memory of the Holocaust by the fascists of millions of Russians.
  40. Brushing
    Brushing 4 November 2017 04: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: Zug
    A soldier who has been captured and destroyed a civilian is different things-A soldier can protect himself from captivity with weapons in his hands (of course, for various reasons, he was captured, unconscious) -Another thing is a civilian-unarmed person -without arms comrades and not as part of any units falls into the hands of the executioner, there is a difference, but not the essence, the Russians liberated the Jews ... and those apparently do not particularly like to remember these things ..

    Then in Israel, a monument to the Red Army participants in the Great Patriotic War was erected ..: Putin was at the Discovery.


    Want to say this and sho vi ??? ))))
  41. karabas86
    karabas86 5 November 2017 14: 47 New
    0
    If it weren’t for anti-Semitism, a possessed addict, we would have been put on a pedestal a long time ago and would have kissed lower back and higher than our knees - a European integrator, a fighter against communism.
  42. Karen
    Karen 6 November 2017 19: 01 New
    +1
    groks,
    In fact, Mussolini wanted to see the "Italian Lake", but he sent his soldiers to Africa for sports training ... it didn’t help, as they were pasta, and have remained so until now.
    Not just because he was jealous of the German "car". I dreamed about the same ...
  43. vitag2005
    vitag2005 6 November 2017 19: 21 New
    0
    The extermination of Jews planned by Hitler on the basis of pseudoscientific racial theory, the Jews called the Holocaust (the ancient Greek word "burnt offering") because Jews, unlike all other peoples, were subject to extermination. The Soviet non-Jewish prisoner of war had a chance to survive (about 50 percent). If he agreed to cooperate with the invaders as a “capo” (warder in the camp), “policeman”, “hevi” (volunteer assistant in the military unit), Vlasov, etc., then he existed quite safely. For example, the father of ex-president of Ukraine Yushchenko was appointed to the position of capo. For Jews, this was out of the question. When a group of Red Army soldiers was taken prisoner, they were built, then the order "Jews and commissars to break down" followed. They were taken 20 steps and shot right there. If someone did not fail, hoping to be saved, then in the ranks there could be a kindness that would push him. Only General Mannerheim refused to extradite Finnish citizens of Jews to the Nazis, threatening to send the Finnish army to protect them if the Nazis themselves began to deport them. But Mannerheim gave Soviet prisoners of war to the Nazis. Later, some politicians and journalists began to extend the term "Holocaust" to all non-Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis. Perhaps out of envy. According to the existing rules of the language, capital letters are used to write terms denoting a single concept, and lower case letters are used to write terms that apply to an object or phenomenon that exists in multiple copies. Therefore, the Holocaust is - without exception, the extermination of Jews. Where the destruction is not universal, and exceptions are allowed for collaborators, it should be written "Holocaust",
  44. Seal
    Seal 9 November 2017 12: 21 New
    +1
    This is our common tragedy, this is our common Holocaust.

    I would not say that.
    Our common pain, our common tragedy is yes. But if we speak in the context of the essence of the term "Holocaust" - then let us leave it only to the Jews. For since some year Jews have been persecuted throughout the territory under German control, regardless of gender, age, participation in hostilities, level of education, and so on. Yes, somewhere (in Hungary, Finland, Bulgaria), persecution was avoided, even in Germany itself, in Berlin, a certain number of Jews continued to live (let's think about the famous demonstration of German women for the release of their Jewish husbands in Berlin in 1943) but in general it was the Jews who were persecuted everywhere.
    Neither all of us, much less our Slav brothers like Ukrainians, were not persecuted by the Germans just because we were Russians or Ukrainians. Yes, there were a huge number of excesses (mass executions, burnings, hangings, and so on) - but there was no continuous mass persecution. In the same way as in the case of the "genocide" of the Armenians. Yes, many Armenians in Turkey died violently in 1915-1916. But for example, the 200-hundredth thousandth richest Istanbul Armenian community was practically not affected. At least not affected by nationality. For politics (calls for the defeat of Turkey in the war), for crime (no one canceled crime during wars, often it even gets worse). The same was true in a number of other cities in western Turkey. Therefore, Israel (like 3/4 of the world) does not recognize the "Armenian genocide".
    Let's not pretend to be a Holocaust and leave it to the Jews after all.
    1. Karen
      Karen 9 November 2017 13: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Seal
      Therefore, Israel (like 3/4 of the world) does not recognize the "Armenian genocide".

      There is nothing surprising in Israel ... in guiding the genocide of the Armenians in the Turkish Empire, the guiding role of Jewry is clearly expressed, in the first place, by Jews from the "Young Italian".
      As for the remaining 3/4 countries of the world - look for a Jew ...
      1. Karen
        Karen 9 November 2017 15: 39 New
        0
        In pursuit.
        I have already provided information here.
        5 ... 6 US battleships cruised near the Turkish Adana, warning the French and British about the inadmissibility of a landing there ... The result is a forced landing attempt in the Dardanelles, with known consequences ...
        Would anyone other than US Jewry organize this? Moreover, flights were made to Istanbul ...
        1. Seal
          Seal 13 November 2017 10: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Karen
          5 ... 6 US battleships cruised near the Turkish Adana, warning the French and British about the inadmissibility of a landing there ...

          Please highlight in bold or italics which particular US battleships ran. The entire list of the US fleet of that time, which may fall under the definition of "battleships," I give below.

          Armadillo type Indiana
          USS Indiana (1893) (BB-1)
          USS Massachusetts (1893) (BB-2)
          USS Oregon (1893) (BB-3)
          USS Iowa (1896) (BB-4)
          Armadillos of the Kearsarge type
          USS Kearsarge (1898) (BB-5)
          USS Kentucky (1898) (BB-6)
          Armadillos of the Illinois type
          USS Illinois (1898) (BB-7)
          USS Alabama (1898) (BB-8)
          USS Wisconsin (1898) (BB-9)
          Maine Armadillos
          USS Maine (1901) (BB-10)
          USS Missouri (1901) (BB-11)
          USS Ohio (1901) (BB-12)
          Armadillos like Virginia
          USS Virginia (1904) (BB-13)
          USS Nebraska (1904) (BB-14)
          USS Georgia (1904) (BB-15)
          USS New Jersey (1904) (BB-16)
          USS Rhode Island (1904) (BB-17)
          Connecticut Armadillos
          USS Connecticut (1904) (BB-18)
          USS Louisiana (1904) (BB-19)
          USS Vermont (1905) (BB-20)
          USS Kansas (1905) (BB-21)
          USS Minnesota (1905) (BB-22)
          USS New Hampshire (1906) (BB-25)
          Mississippi type armadillos
          USS Mississippi (1905) (BB-23)
          USS Idaho (1905) (BB-24)
          Battleships of the type South Carolina
          USS South Carolina (1908) (BB-26) Wows-icon.png
          USS Michigan (1908) (BB-27)
          Line ships of the Delaware type
          USS Delaware (1909) (BB-28)
          USS North Dakota (1909) (BB-29)
          Line ships like Florida
          USS Florida (1910) (BB-30)
          USS Utah (1909) (BB-31)
          Wyoming-type battleships
          USS Wyoming (1911) (BB-32) Wows-icon.png
          USS Arkansas (1911) (BB-33) Wows-icon.png
          Line ships like New York
          USS New York (1912) (BB-34) Wows-icon.png
          USS Texas (1912) (BB-35) Wows-icon.png
          Nevada-class battleships
          USS Nevada (1914) (BB-36)
          USS Oklahoma (1914) (BB-37)
          Pennsylvania type battleships
          USS Pennsylvania (1915) (BB-38)
          USS Arizona (1915) (BB-39) Wows-icon.png
          1. Karen
            Karen 13 November 2017 10: 25 New
            0
            Sergey Petrovich, the names of specific battleships were given by Karen Viktorovich Hambartsumyan ... if I see him, I will find out (I personally am not familiar with him, but this is not a problem)
      2. Seal
        Seal 13 November 2017 10: 50 New
        +1
        I said earlier that this is just possible. Competitor Elimination.
        John Kirakosyan. He wrote an interesting work; "Young Turks before the court of history" in which, like a tank, it ran into the Turks (Young Turks), but at the same time gave a lot of interesting information. For example. "Composing 20% of the 25-10 millionth population of the Turkish Empire, Armenians concentrated in their hands 60% of import and 40% of export trade, as well as 80% of domestic trade"This he speaks of the state before the First World War. That is, of 1912-1913. John Kirakosyan, apparently having a certain mentality (inclination to trade), like the rest of the Armenians, does not even understand what effect these figures have on people with for example, it’s clear to me how the Turks accumulated so much hostility towards the Armenians before World War I. Well, where do Turks get love for Armenians, if 80% of all domestic trade (and this is bazaar trade) is in Turkey in the hands of the Armenians !!!! But besides the Armenians in Turkey there were no less trade-inclined Greeks and the Jews.
        1. Karen
          Karen 13 November 2017 20: 26 New
          0
          Sergey Petrovich, there is still information on the finances of the Armenians robbed in the TI ... I will not indicate the source already, but the Germans obliged the Turks to keep these large amounts in their banks ... Maybe you can tell me the reason for such an interest in German finances / gold?
          Yes, about the propensity to trade. Your other compatriots who studied the percentage of merchants in our people gave a normal percentage.
  45. Leonid Sloutskin
    Leonid Sloutskin 8 July 2018 13: 41 New
    0
    Allow me to introduce myself as I practically do not participate in such debates.
    because of their anti-Semitism, and I am a Jew Slutskin Leonid (b. 1938). Although this article is from the same anti-Semitic line, I will go over it.

    1. Author of the article: In modern English, with a capital letter (Holocaust), the word is used to mean the extermination of Jews by the Nazis, and with a lowercase (holocaust) - in other cases.

    Here, as I understand it, the author claims not to Jews, but to the British.
    So contact them.
    By the way, in the Hebrew language there are no capital letters at all.
    In Russian, Jews write the Holocaust with a capital letter, because
    for them it has a great, not at all abstract meaning. There are few Jews who have not lost their neighbor as a result of the Holocaust.
    By the way, I think there are some among the Russian fans who
    writes the word "football" with a capital letter.
    Check the nationality of the Holocaust authors you read. By the way, divorced from a specific case, it should be written with a small letter - this is the rule of Russian grammar.
    2. But the fact is that the Holocaust is referred only to Jews and
    This is not at all PR, as the author deigned to put it.
    The term "genocide" is used to destroy peoples (and Jews, too) or population groups.
    The difference in these concepts was rather accurately expressed by A. Gerber:

    “The Holocaust differs from genocide by the uniqueness of the phenomenon when, according to the program, according to the legislatively approved project, a whole nation was destroyed. And it was this people that should have been destroyed all. It was legally framed. It was a death industry, it was a gigantic plan for this industry. It was six death camps, where there was a well-thought-out technology of killing. These were almost technological projects, how to organize it: engineers, physicists, chemists, technologists - all worked on this project. It was a burnt offering project. And he was not just like that: “here we are running and along the way we are destroying another nation, we have attacked Armenia - we are destroying the Armenians”. It was a well-thought-out state project. This has never happened in the history of mankind. This is the uniqueness of a phenomenon called the Holocaust. And this is a very significant difference. But this is genocide, of course. But genocide does not happen against one people, genocide is always against all. "Genocide against the Jews is a terrible historical experience that can be repeated on any people and having its own characteristics."

    3. Author: "Of the 5,7 million Red Army soldiers who were captured by Germany, 3,3 million were killed." ...
    Next, you quote the “commissar order”:
    “... These commissars are not recognized as soldiers; they are not subject to international legal protection for prisoners of war. After the sorting, they must be destroyed. ” From this order it is obvious that the commissars and the Jews
    destroyed without any delay without the right to choose. The rest are offered a choice: immediate death of their own free will, or
    serve for Germany, or harsh camp conditions.
    Nevertheless, as you see, there is a difference, the Holocaust was different.
    But you rightly condemn the Germans, although they are in Soviet
    the camps got (and besides, part of them died already in peacetime).

    4. Author: “But why did it turn out differently with us?” For some reason, no one in the Soviet Union, nor in the heap of independent states after the collapse, nor in Germany dared to draw attention to crimes against soldiers of the Red Army.
    Complete memory failure? Why?"

    Well, firstly, Stalin (nevertheless he was primarily responsible for everything that was happening in our country) very much protected the Soviet people from negative information. No one should have known about the number of captured, dead, traitors, the Holocaust. But everyone should have known that the Jews were hiding in Tashkent.
    It was impossible even to put the simplest commemorative sign
    to the place of the massacre. (My father, who lost all the big
    a family, including seven children, coming from the front, saw a herd grazing in this field, wanted to erect a small monument, but was refused.
    (Yes, I admit, my mother, who lost temporarily due to the bombing in Moscow
    the ability to move, hiding with a 3-year-old child in Siberia
    (not in Tashkent) until September 1943, when she was called back to the enterprise. And the father (native), released due to lack of vision
    left the service, left in 1941 hide in the national squad, where another close relative of his was hiding. Having lost his glasses, almost blind, after a couple of months, somewhere near Moscow, as a Red Army man, he found, like the relative mentioned, his last refuge.)
    I remember how my mother in Moscow led me from a kindergarten in 1944, and stones were flying after us with the call "Beat the Jews, save Russia!" (The Soviet people did not have other enemies during the war).

    By the way, one of the commentators of this article, a certain “already Muscovite (Dimon)” reports: “All the Zionists who were killed in World War II by Soviet citizens of Jewish origin were recorded as victims of the Holocaust!” This is a lie, there are only the names of civilians. I suggested entering the name of the father in the lists, but my offer was rejected, since he was considered a Red Army soldier.

    I wrote all this so that you don’t take offense at being bypassed,
    Holocaust with a small letter Sinister write ...
    Do not be offended, you have no reason!