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From Syria - With Profit

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The Russian operation in Syria is not yet complete, but at the moment in terms of the ratio of the forces involved, the losses incurred and the results achieved, it is one of the most successful history domestic armed forces from a purely military point of view and one of the most fair from a political point of view.

However, in Russia a certain part of society, these successes are extremely unpleasant. Unable to find fault with the military component of the operation, these people tirelessly consider the money spent on it. In particular, not so long ago, “a money for Syria” was considered by one very old political party that had long since dropped out of the State Duma. Having received a sum of almost 200 billion rubles, she called on the Russian military to immediately "return home." Prior to this, the cost of a campaign to the shores of Syria of an aircraft carrier unit led by Admiral Kuznetsov was considered by one domestic television channel of the same political direction as the party that dropped out of the State Duma.

To find fault with specific numbers in this case does not make the slightest sense. Perhaps, from a purely accounting point of view, they are calculated correctly. In this case, the stupidity and immorality of the question itself is impressive.

For example, the cost of spent aviation and ship fuel is meticulously calculated. Yes, it is wasted a lot. But the fact is that if the ships are rotting at the wall, and the planes on the airfields and in the hangars - this is the real criminal squandering of folk remedies. If ships and airplanes are involved in combat training, this means that taxpayers' money is spent wisely. They spend even more correctly if the Armed Forces wage the necessary war on the country, and moreover successfully. Moreover, the best maneuvers will never replace even a very limited armed conflict. A significant part of the flight personnel of the Russian Air Force has already passed through Syria, having gained experience that is not achieved by any exercises. That is, in fact, there is the most effective use of funds allocated to combat training.

The same with the price of consumed ammunition, including various missiles (up to X-101 and “Caliber”). If they spent the entire time in the warehouse and then went for recycling, it was in this case that the money was essentially spent in vain. If the ammunition was used during the exercise, it is better, but only partly. But production of ammunition really paid off only if it hit the real enemy target. And here there is no “squandering of people's money”, but on the contrary, the most effective way to use it.

To put it mildly, it is surprising when the “squandering of public money” includes the costs of maintaining the personnel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation in Syria (food and pay, including “combat”). This is frankly stupid already simply because the servicemen would also feed in the same way and receive a monetary allowance even if they had not fought, but remained in their homeland in places of permanent deployment. And it is completely immoral if the "defenders of the national wealth" pity the servicemen for their "combat". After all, it was Russian citizens who received extra money, and not from the air, like a lot of people involved in modern business and modern politics, but for real hard work. Moreover, if you look at this situation from the point of view of a market economy (and the aforementioned party and television channel are very actively fighting for it), the military personnel who received additional money are not just our citizens, but also consumers. Who will invest additional money in the Russian economy. By the way, in the price of each “Caliber” and other ammunition, any Su-35С and Ka-52 there is a salary of scientists, engineers and workers, who have developed and created all this. They are also Russian consumers, and under the liberal moaning about our “sitting on the oil needle” they produce the most high-tech products that can only be. In fact, the money that went into the allowances of military personnel and the production of modern weapons (including the salaries of the military-industrial complex workers), is quite realistic for pushing the Russian economy forward and very tangibly reducing social tensions. However, for the “money readers” this is the worst of all.

From Syria - With ProfitFinally, the most important aspect of the Syrian campaign is who it is against. If the country, on the side of which we are fighting a legitimate government, would come under the control of Sunni radicals (and this is not only the “Islamic Caliphate”, but almost all “fighters against the tyranny of Asad”), it would instantly become unparalleled in modern history source of terrorism, far more dangerous than Afghanistan under the Taliban. For Sunni radicals, external expansion is not just a basis of ideology, but a way of existence. And Russia would become one of the most important goals of this expansion, and immediately. If Moscow didn’t start the Syrian campaign two years ago, we would be fighting on our territory now. In this case, the sacrifices and material costs would be higher than the current costs by several orders of magnitude. That is, in fact, the Syrian campaign brings Russia a high income in the form of prevented damage. And there will be added profit from the export of Russian weapons, which have perfectly manifested themselves in Syria. But these topics for “fighters with squandering” and “returning home” are completely taboo for ideological reasons.

It is necessary to repeat common truths once again: The Armed Forces carry out the most important economic functions. Firstly, they protect the country in general and its national economy in particular against external aggression, the damage from which will be orders of magnitude higher than the savings on military spending. Secondly, the Armed Forces contribute to strengthening the geopolitical position of the country, with which economic positions are necessarily strengthened. No one has yet brought happiness in savings on military spending (at least nothing is known about such examples), and there are a lot of opposing examples. The brightest and freshest is Ukraine, but Europe is not far from it.

The above reasoning is quite elementary, but some number of citizens of the Russian Federation, mostly well-educated, for some reason, do not understand this (apparently, it’s not for nothing that Solzhenitsyn once introduced the term "educator"). And in certain circles of Russian society there are endless talks about the fact that our current military spending is exorbitant and it would be necessary to direct a significant portion of these funds to education and medicine, or even simply to die in various stabilization funds or in foreign “securities”. Such sentiments, in particular, are very strong in the economic block of the government.

It is interesting that a very large proportion of those who now express such a point of view only 10 years ago cursed the authorities for something completely opposite - for the collapse of the army and fleet. And none of them recalled about education and medicine at a time when the costs of both them and the Armed Forces were much lower than now. In this regard, there is a strong suspicion that a significant part of the “fighters” just need to curse the authorities for anything. And the state of the social sphere does not bother them at all, but they don’t really like the fact that Russia has become stronger. Therefore, they will continue to stamp the propaganda cheapness about the "price of Syria."

You just do not pay attention.
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  1. alekc73
    alekc73 4 November 2017 15: 03 New
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    A good army costs good money hi
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 4 November 2017 15: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: alekc73
      A good army costs good money hi

      But this is the point !!! good
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 4 November 2017 16: 13 New
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        Quote: alekc73
        A good army costs good money

        Quote: NIKNN
        But this is the point !!!

        Then in Russia, judging by your words, a bad army! Indeed, the cost of it is ten times less than the United States, four times less than Europe, and three times less than in China. And this is our potential opponents!
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 4 November 2017 16: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: Stas157
          four times smaller than Europe

          They do not feed their army ...
          Quote: Stas157
          three times less than in China

          There the army is bigger and not say worse ...
          Quote: Stas157
          After all, the cost of it is ten times less than the United States

          If there are fewer, then the economy of America will collapse ... And of course, the combat efficiency depends not only on the size of the military budget, it depends a lot on, for example, that we manage to update equipment on our budget, etc. And yet, I would not mind if we could allocate more funds for these purposes ...
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 4 November 2017 16: 33 New
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            Quote: NIKNN
            And yet, I would not mind if we could allocate more funds for these purposes ...

            Yes, but the Kremlin has Rosguard in priority. Their content is increased by 4%, while defense spending, on the contrary, is reduced. Apparently, the Kremlin’s internal threats are more worrisome than external ones.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 4 November 2017 16: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              Apparently, the Kremlin’s internal threats are more worrisome than external ones.

              There is nothing to argue ... request
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 5 November 2017 04: 43 New
                +2
                And I would object.

                Only recently was a holiday about the 405th anniversary of Minin and Pozharsky.
                The holiday of the October Revolution can be added to this holiday.
                You can also attribute the collapse of 91 years here.

                And now the question is, what is the connection of the Russian Guard with these holidays;)
            2. Dzungar
              Dzungar 4 November 2017 18: 05 New
              +5
              Could you give the amount of defense spending, and Rosguard ....? And compare them. I’m not protecting anyone here, I’m interested in the ratio of these costs. And it may turn out that an increase in spending on Rosguard is a zilch in comparison with the size of the decrease in defense spending
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 4 November 2017 19: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: Dzungar
                Could you give the amount of defense spending, and Rosguard ....? And compare them.

                No, they cannot do this. no They can only manipulate yes
              2. Großer feldherr
                Großer feldherr 4 November 2017 19: 58 New
                +2
                ..........................
            3. Vlad Plekhanov
              Vlad Plekhanov 4 November 2017 20: 45 New
              +2
              Have you served in the Russian Guard (VV MVD)? Do you know the features of the service?
        2. Pan_hrabio
          Pan_hrabio 4 November 2017 19: 13 New
          +4
          There is an important caveat. In absolute terms, yes, the US spends many times more. But the percentage of military spending in Russia's total GDP is greater. So for the Russian economy, the load is greater than for the states.

        3. You Vlad
          You Vlad 4 November 2017 20: 26 New
          +6
          Quote: Stas157
          Then in Russia, judging by your words, a bad army! Indeed, the cost of it is ten times less than the United States, four times less than Europe, and three times less than in China. And this is our potential opponents!

          Again Stas you ... are wrong winked In terms of the so-called natural product (that is, metal weapons) And now let's take it. Our entire military budget is $ 50 billion. The Americans have 630 billion dollars. However, Russia spends 50% of the military budget on arms production. This is about 25 billion dollars. And the United States spends 15% of the military budget on weapons production, which is $ 94 billion. Note that this is a completely different gap: 25 versus $ 94 billion. But above, we calculated that the cost of arms production in Russia is on average five times cheaper than in the United States. Consequently, our 25 billion is equivalent to US $ 125 billion. Thus, we get 125 against $ 94 billion in favor of Russia. And this means that the actual volume of the military budget of Russia, in terms of arms production, significantly exceeds the amount of US spending on arms production. Moreover, it should be noted that the trend of increasing the gap in the volume of armaments between Russia and the United States from year to year is only growing and growing in Russia's favor, and the United States is hopelessly lagging behind this indicator more and more. Here is an explanation of why Russia with its military budget, which is 12 times smaller than the US military budget, is ahead of the Americans in terms of renewal, development and modernization of the armed forces.
          It's me just to let you breathe out ..
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 20: 49 New
            +9
            Quote: you Vlad
            It's me just so you breathe out ..

            They called Stas a beaver, practically ... at the same time, IMHO, they offended the beaver, not Stas.
        4. okko077
          okko077 5 November 2017 02: 32 New
          +6
          Unable to find fault with the military component of the operation, these people tirelessly consider the financial resources spent on it.
          How cleverly the author turned the arrows on the gray inhabitants, and they immediately went the right path. For the military, all the controversy in the comments is of no interest ...
          I am not completely satisfied with the military component of the operation. Military operations in Syria are waged by obsolete, backward, if you will, methods of the Second World War. There are completely no modern information systems allowing real-time monitoring of the entire territory of Syria and providing target designation for the airborne forces and for the artillery and MLRS of the Syrian army .... Our airborne systems do not control the movement of gangs, the American coalition, Turkish troops and the borders of Syria in real time. The sea coast does not matter, there are visual controls and ships ... In this regard, the use of UAVs does not fully comply with modern requirements. Where intelligence is needed, the enemy’s coordinates in real time, our ground special groups work there (although there is no ground component) and transmit the coordinates by radio. These groups bear the main burden and the main losses, only a low level of opposition from guerrilla guerrillas who have no aircraft, almost no UAVs. and air defense, allow us to keep our losses at an acceptable level .... When the command of the Ministry of Defense is proud of these "achievements"? !! And do not hesitate to say it out loud ... The paranoia of these retarded official generals and the cynicism of their thinking just rolls over ... Yes, tasks in Syria are solved, but are solved by outdated methods, while using the latest technology .... And advanced systems to manage this we don’t have equipment in combat operations and real-time targeting without real contact with the enemy
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 5 November 2017 11: 31 New
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            Quote: okko077
            Completely lacking modern information systems to monitor the entire territory of Syria in real time

            Such systems do not exist in nature.
    2. yehat
      yehat 7 November 2017 13: 47 New
      +1
      this slogan has little to do with spending in Syria.
      A narrow highly professional contingent operates there, and the article discusses the combat training of the army. There is a connection, but it is minimal.
      As for the calculation of costs, you need to look at the consistency of the results with the resources spent. It is too early to take stock. It is only known that this is not a cheap pleasure
      and that the death toll is already in the tens.
      Personally, I believe that the experience of carrying out such an operation is quite valuable, but it will be valuable 10-100 times more if it is supported politically and in the field of propaganda.
      As for the military component, there is no question of impeccability at all - a lot of shortcomings, both organizational and at the level of support.
      But such events help to adequately describe the needs of the army.
      1. rice
        rice 7 November 2017 20: 26 New
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        Quote: yehat
        a lot of shortcomings, both organizational and at the level of support.

        In any activity can not do without shortcomings and errors. The main thing is that they are noticed and eliminated on time.
        Quote: yehat
        But such events help to adequately describe the needs of the army.

        not only describe, but also change (I hope)
  2. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 4 November 2017 15: 17 New
    +3
    If the dead and mutilated there could answer the author, what would they say? ...
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 4 November 2017 15: 27 New
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      That no war, if it is not against the aggressor who attacked your house, is not worth any geopolitical dividends. And financial gain in Syria is already something .... the desire to distort the cards.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 4 November 2017 15: 43 New
        +2
        And what, Muslim terrorists did not arrange terrorist attacks in Russia? The superior Israeli army has much to learn from the modern Russian ...
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 4 November 2017 15: 48 New
          +9
          I understand you. But then do not deny us the right to enter any Arab country that sends terrorists to us. Moreover, some of them border with us.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 4 November 2017 16: 01 New
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            Quote: Shahno
            I understand you. But then do not deny us the right to enter any Arab country that sends terrorists to us.

            Again, an Israeli Jew engaged in fraud?
            Our military was invited to Syria by the LEGAL GOVERNMENT of the COUNTRY and the Tel Aviv regime commits aggression against neighbors by entering their territory without any permission on their part.
            Hence the condemnation of the Israeli aggressive and occupation regime.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 November 2017 16: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: Shahno
              I understand you. But then do not deny us the right to enter any Arab country that sends terrorists to us.

              Again, an Israeli Jew engaged in fraud?
              Our military was invited to Syria by the LEGAL GOVERNMENT of the COUNTRY and the Tel Aviv regime commits aggression against neighbors by entering their territory without any permission on their part.
              Hence the condemnation of the Israeli aggressive and occupation regime.

              And probably it goes there just like that, from nefig do))))
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 4 November 2017 17: 09 New
                +3
                Quote: Krasnodar
                And probably it goes there just like that, from nefig do))))

                No, of course, the Israeli regime has a definite goal to “produce” murders of poverty and ruin around itself.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 4 November 2017 17: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  And probably it goes there just like that, from nefig do))))

                  No, of course, the Israeli regime has a definite goal to “produce” murders of poverty and ruin around itself.

                  And why is Israel ruined and poor neighbors?
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 4 November 2017 22: 14 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    And why is Israel ruined and poor neighbors?

                    To capture the territory, nothing personal, they need living space.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 4 November 2017 22: 43 New
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                      Quote: Setrac
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      And why is Israel ruined and poor neighbors?

                      To capture the territory, nothing personal, they need living space.

                      Israel has enough territory for all 14 million Jews of the planet and local Arabs. :)
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2017 11: 22 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Israel has enough territory for all 14 million Jews of the planet and local Arabs. :)

                        Nonsense - these are your words, they want more.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 4 November 2017 18: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: Shahno
            I understand you. But then do not deny us the right to enter any Arab country that sends terrorists to us. Moreover, some of them border with us.

            You have a rather strange choice for terrorism charges. You don’t know where ISIS came from for example? For example, the intelligence services of Saudi Arabia and Qatar contain entire terrorist movements, you also don’t know ...... but the terrorists in the Israeli sense will always be Iran, Hezbollah or Syria, which you bombard so hard to accuse of shelling. Although you yourself can’t even to prove shelling by the Syrian army, just appoint the culprit ..
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 November 2017 19: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: APASUS
              Quote: Shahno
              I understand you. But then do not deny us the right to enter any Arab country that sends terrorists to us. Moreover, some of them border with us.

              You have a rather strange choice for terrorism charges. You don’t know where ISIS came from for example? For example, the intelligence services of Saudi Arabia and Qatar contain entire terrorist movements, you also don’t know ...... but the terrorists in the Israeli sense will always be Iran, Hezbollah or Syria, which you bombard so hard to accuse of shelling. Although you yourself can’t even to prove shelling by the Syrian army, just appoint the culprit ..

              ISIS is the brainchild of the same Qatar and other oil monarchies, concerned about the growing Shiites after the fall of Saddam Hussein.
              Hezbollah - has been at war with Israel since the mid-80s. Iran - sponsors and arms Hezbollah, and also supplies weapons to the Gaza Strip. Syria has been at war with Israel since 1948. Any shell falling from Syria to the territory of Israel is Assad's responsibility. If, say, Nusra comes to power in Syria, she will grab her off against Israel.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 5 November 2017 09: 05 New
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                ISIS is the brainchild of the same Qatar and other oil monarchies, concerned about the growing Shiites after the fall of Saddam Hussein.
                Hezbollah - has been at war with Israel since the mid-80s. Iran - sponsors and arms Hezbollah, and also supplies weapons to the Gaza Strip. Syria has been at war with Israel since 1948. Any shell falling from Syria to the territory of Israel is Assad's responsibility. If, say, Nusra comes to power in Syria, she will grab her off against Israel.

                Here I am about it! Israel with Qatar and the Saudis in a hickey, and Iran and Syria are always to blame
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 November 2017 17: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  ISIS is the brainchild of the same Qatar and other oil monarchies, concerned about the growing Shiites after the fall of Saddam Hussein.
                  Hezbollah - has been at war with Israel since the mid-80s. Iran - sponsors and arms Hezbollah, and also supplies weapons to the Gaza Strip. Syria has been at war with Israel since 1948. Any shell falling from Syria to the territory of Israel is Assad's responsibility. If, say, Nusra comes to power in Syria, she will grab her off against Israel.

                  Here I am about it! Israel with Qatar and the Saudis in a hickey, and Iran and Syria are always to blame

                  Qatar sponsors Hamas, they are enemies.
                  With the Saudis, the common enemy of Iran is no more.
          3. Cossack 471
            Cossack 471 4 November 2017 20: 32 New
            0
            Not . that's just "go" to neighboring countries you definitely do not have the right. this is aggression
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 November 2017 22: 44 New
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              Quote: Cossack 471
              Not . that's just "go" to neighboring countries you definitely do not have the right. this is aggression

              Even if this country is officially at war with Israel?
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 November 2017 16: 47 New
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          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And what, Muslim terrorists did not arrange terrorist attacks in Russia? The superior Israeli army has much to learn from the modern Russian ...

          As my friend, a master of sports in boxing, says, you can learn from everyone, even tai chi and shotokan karate followers :)
      2. ML-334
        ML-334 4 November 2017 16: 27 New
        +2
        It looks like an American house is attacked by everyone who is not lazy, they are forcibly fighting off around the world.
      3. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 4 November 2017 19: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Shahno
        That no war, if it is not against the aggressor who attacked your house, is not worth any geopolitical dividends. And financial gain in Syria is already something .... the desire to distort the cards

        I agree with your opinion. But how many disagree with us here ...
      4. Lex.
        Lex. 4 November 2017 21: 56 New
        0
        . And financial gain in Syria is already something .... a desire to distort the cards.
        Worth, will there be fewer refugees and a base in Tartus?
      5. yehat
        yehat 7 November 2017 15: 03 New
        0
        tell it to the United States, which launched more than 50 armed conflicts over the past century.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 4 November 2017 15: 41 New
      +3
      And they would say that they honestly performed their duty. And they would have punched you with a crutch (but MO is now providing the disabled well, but rather with a prosthesis). And what else do you think they could say?
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 4 November 2017 19: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And they would say that they honestly performed their duty.

        And to whom did they owe and how much? Was there no other way than paying with your life for debts? Before writing in a grandiloquent syllable, are you able to explain to whom and how they owe money to Afghanistan and Syria ?!
    3. seti
      seti 4 November 2017 15: 46 New
      +9
      Quote: Fedya2017
      If the dead and mutilated there could answer the author, what would they say? ...

      Each person who was poisoned there in the face had a choice to go or not. This is the time.
      Secondly, they themselves chose such a profession. Yes, it can die or become disabled. But it is Their choice. The choice of a real man (possibly women) and not the one who fights on the Internet in the divan troops.
      Thirdly, they are doing what is necessary for their country. This is a moral component. And she is important.
      Fourth, as the author aptly noted, they get very good money there in the form of military money.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 4 November 2017 20: 38 New
        0
        Quote: seti
        Thirdly, they are doing what is necessary for their country. This is a moral component. And she is important.

        This point is very doubtful ...
    4. GAF
      GAF 4 November 2017 15: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Fedya2017
      If the dead and mutilated there could answer the author, what would they say? ...

      They could answer: we died so that you, dear Fedya, would not feed someone else's army.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 4 November 2017 16: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: GAF
        They could answer: we died so that you, dear Fedya, would not feed someone else's army.

        So they did it in vain. After all, Russia is already feeding the alien army, since it is financially a semi-colony of the United States. Let me remind those who forgot it! Russia holds over a hundred! billions of dollars in US securities, and the ruble is directly dependent on the dollar. And that means Russia is sponsoring the United States.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 November 2017 16: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: GAF
          They could answer: we died so that you, dear Fedya, would not feed someone else's army.

          So they did it in vain. After all, Russia is already feeding the alien army, since it is financially a semi-colony of the United States. Let me remind those who forgot it! Russia holds over a hundred! billions of dollars in US securities, and the ruble is directly dependent on the dollar. And that means Russia is sponsoring the United States.

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          In this case, the whole world sponsors America
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 4 November 2017 16: 59 New
            +5
            Quote: Krasnodar
            In this case, the whole world sponsors America

            Well, it is. And, when the USSR was there, this was not!
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 November 2017 17: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              Quote: Krasnodar
              In this case, the whole world sponsors America

              Well, it is. And, when the USSR was there, this was not!

              It was. Oil trade went through dollars, Canadian wheat was bought for dollars ... all the same.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 4 November 2017 17: 33 New
                +5
                Quote: Krasnodar
                It was. Oil trade went through dollars

                The Soviet ruble was not dependent on the dollar in any way, unlike the Russian ruble, and the USSR did not keep its gold reserves in American papers, investing in the American economy. And what you called is not signs of a financial colony.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 4 November 2017 19: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  It was. Oil trade went through dollars

                  The Soviet ruble was not dependent on the dollar in any way, unlike the Russian ruble, and the USSR did not keep its gold reserves in American papers, investing in the American economy. And what you called is not signs of a financial colony.

                  The Soviet ruble, unlike the Russian ruble, was not a convertible currency.
        2. MadCat
          MadCat 5 November 2017 01: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          more than a hundred! billions of dollars in american papers

          one hundred billion is not money for the state, they do not solve anything.
      2. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 4 November 2017 20: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: GAF
        They could answer: we died so that you, dear Fedya, would not feed someone else's army.

        That's it - OWN ... But not Asad's in Syria. How many percent of the Syrian population are fighting against Assad and his army ?!
    5. izya top
      izya top 4 November 2017 16: 03 New
      10
      Quote: Fedya2017
      If the dead and mutilated there could answer the author, what would they say? ...

      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 4 November 2017 20: 20 New
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        Izya, it’s even better - when there would be “awesome social programs and salaries for doctors and teachers” and Armata tanks ... By the way, there were a lot of tanks in Libya.
    6. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 4 November 2017 16: 04 New
      +6
      Why don’t you remember the number of militants with Russian passports that were buried in Syria, they will never return to their homeland with their ideas and actions (terrorist attacks) And figures like Khattab who have not reached us? Is this just geopolitics in your opinion? And now for Shahno and other citizens with a gear, your long nose sticks out of all the conflicts in the Middle East and you don’t have to talk about juggling, there is a great desire to be rude.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 November 2017 16: 52 New
        0
        Quote: zadorin1974
        Why don’t you remember the number of militants with Russian passports that were buried in Syria, they will never return to their homeland with their ideas and actions (terrorist attacks) And figures like Khattab who have not reached us? Is this just geopolitics in your opinion? And now for Shahno and other citizens with a gear, your long nose sticks out of all the conflicts in the Middle East and you don’t have to talk about juggling, there is a great desire to be rude.

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        Yes, Israelis force Arabs to slaughter Kurds, Yezidis, Iranians and Copts. From about the 7th century AD they force :)))
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 4 November 2017 18: 33 New
          0
          Well, they were able to climb into a foreign land, they were able to treat Syrian militants, and Israeli weapons in Syria blew the wind (like the mattress). Yes, they accidentally flop around the Syrian government army.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 4 November 2017 20: 03 New
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            Quote: zadorin1974
            Well, they were able to climb into a foreign land, they were able to treat Syrian militants, and Israeli weapons in Syria blew the wind (like the mattress). Yes, they accidentally flop around the Syrian government army.

            If you are about the Land of Israel - the question is what are Arabs who came in the 7th century AD from the Arabian Peninsula doing there?
            They treat everyone who is brought there - 70% of the civilians, the rest of the militants or SAA soldiers. Weapons in Syria are mostly Russian and Soviet, then American. Israel is one of the 10 (sometimes 5) countries that sell weapons, so there is nothing surprising in finding Jewish weapons there. The Syrian government’s army falls into the case - a mess in this territory - Assad’s responsibility.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 4 November 2017 22: 18 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              If you are about the Land of Israel - the question is what are Arabs who came in the 7th century AD from the Arabian Peninsula doing there?

              Moreover, it is not clear what the Jews who came there in the middle of the twentieth century of our era do there.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 4 November 2017 22: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                Quote: Krasnodar
                If you are about the Land of Israel - the question is what are Arabs who came in the 7th century AD from the Arabian Peninsula doing there?

                Moreover, it is not clear what the Jews who came there in the middle of the twentieth century of our era do there.

                The Jewish presence on this earth has never ceased. Mass return began at the end of the 19th century.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 5 November 2017 11: 26 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  The Jewish presence on this earth has never ceased.

                  Yes, they were not there until the twentieth century.
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Mass return began at the end of the 19th century.

                  Well, of course, that is how Jews are everywhere, for example, in Moscow there are a lot of them - also originally Jewish territory, in New York - originally Jewish land.
                  Jews came to the territory of present-day Israel in the twentieth century, but there was a chance that they would build Israel in the Crimea, but it didn’t work out, otherwise they would all boil over how Moses drove the Jews forty years through the deserts of Crimea.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 5 November 2017 19: 23 New
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                    Quote: Setrac
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    The Jewish presence on this earth has never ceased.

                    Yes, they were not there until the twentieth century.
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Mass return began at the end of the 19th century.

                    Well, of course, that is how Jews are everywhere, for example, in Moscow there are a lot of them - also originally Jewish territory, in New York - originally Jewish land.
                    Jews came to the territory of present-day Israel in the twentieth century, but there was a chance that they would build Israel in the Crimea, but it didn’t work out, otherwise they would all boil over how Moses drove the Jews forty years through the deserts of Crimea.

                    Those. there was no king David, king Solomon, there was no Titus, an arch in Rome with sealed Jewish captives with the seven-candlestick of the Jerusalem Temple, too, f u f l o? :) The first wave of Russian Jews who came with the money of the Rothschilds to the Land of Israel was at the end of the 19th century. The name is the first aliyah. Google
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 5 November 2017 19: 39 New
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                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Those. there was no king David, king Solomon, there was no Titus, an arch in Rome with sealed Jewish captives with the seven-candlestick of the Jerusalem Temple, too, f u f l o? :)

                      It’s bullshit, they invented a story from scratch, pathos and deceit, just like the Ukrainians, or rather the Ukrainians from the Jews took an example, they have a younger state, about fifty years old.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      The first wave of Russian Jews who came to the Land of Israel with the money of the Rothschilds was at the end of the 19th century. The name is the first aliyah. Google

                      But who cares where the Jews from Russia go? And do not call them "Russian."
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 November 2017 00: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Those. there was no king David, king Solomon, there was no Titus, an arch in Rome with sealed Jewish captives with the seven-candlestick of the Jerusalem Temple, too, f u f l o? :)

                        It’s bullshit, they invented a story from scratch, pathos and deceit, just like the Ukrainians, or rather the Ukrainians from the Jews took an example, they have a younger state, about fifty years old.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The first wave of Russian Jews who came to the Land of Israel with the money of the Rothschilds was at the end of the 19th century. The name is the first aliyah. Google

                        But who cares where the Jews from Russia go? And do not call them "Russian."

                        That is, Roman historians also lied? :)
                        And the Roman architects built the arch of Titus to falsify the Jewish right to invade Palestine in 2000 years? :)
                        And the Christians lied, describing the life of Jesus in Judea, who was okuled by the Romans? )) In order to come up with an excuse for the Jewish coming to this land in the 20th century)))
                        But what Jews from Russia do not call Russian Jews? )))
                        Well they are not Romanian, not Moroccan and not even Ukrainian))))))))
      2. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 4 November 2017 20: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: zadorin1974
        Why don’t you remember the number of militants with Russian passports that were buried in Syria, they will never return to their homeland with their ideas and actions (terrorist attacks) And figures like Khattab who have not reached us?

        Ideas are brought to Russia by those young Islamic theologians who are now quietly going to study in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia ... Therefore, there is no longer any need to import the newly arrived Khattabs.
    7. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2017 16: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Fedya2017
      If the dead and mutilated there could answer the author, what would they say? ...

      -------
      To serve in Syria in the flight (at least) units is the turn. Not least because of the fighting.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 4 November 2017 20: 10 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        To serve in Syria in the flight (at least) units is the turn. Not least because of the fighting.

        Maybe ... I wonder if it would be a turn to know that the Islamists have modern air defense? ...
        1. Cossack 471
          Cossack 471 4 November 2017 20: 38 New
          +3
          Fedya. I think if the Islamists had modern air defense. then it would be crushed first and foremost. like now
          1. Fedya2017
            Fedya2017 4 November 2017 22: 49 New
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            Quote: Cossack 471
            I think if the Islamists had modern air defense. then it would be crushed first

            Cossack sabers suppressed, would? Why so sure ... How simple it all turns out. Took and crushed, would ...
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 November 2017 22: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Fedya2017
          Quote: Krasnodar
          To serve in Syria in the flight (at least) units is the turn. Not least because of the fighting.

          Maybe ... I wonder if it would be a turn to know that the Islamists have modern air defense? ...

          Is there life on Mars?
          To be or not to be?
          Proceed? :)
    8. rice
      rice 7 November 2017 20: 35 New
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      Quote: Fedya2017
      If the dead and mutilated there could answer the author, what would they say? ..

      These people consciously chose the profession of warriors. I would agree with you if the conscripts fought there. And so to speak, what would the dead and mutilated policemen, firemen, miners say?
  3. VadimSt
    VadimSt 4 November 2017 16: 20 New
    +3
    In this regard, there is a strong suspicion that a significant part of the “fighters” just need to curse the authorities for anything
    Which is very often observed in the comments on VO!
    1. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 4 November 2017 21: 34 New
      +1
      VO, this is practically the Zvezda shopping center on the Internet, a site with its own unique target audience and faithful party ideology, which is nowhere else, is a fact.
      Are the liberals and agents of the State Department here too restless?
  4. assa67
    assa67 4 November 2017 16: 31 New
    +4
    if we hadn’t come to Syria, then how to give a drink, the bearded already marched in the Transcaucasia .... by the way, it wouldn’t seem like a god-chosen one. Let them say thanks
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2017 16: 55 New
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      Quote: assa67
      if we hadn’t come to Syria, then how to give a drink, the bearded already marched in the Transcaucasia .... by the way, it wouldn’t seem like a god-chosen one. Let them say thanks

      -------
      ISIS from Syria fired at Israel a year ago. Those who fired banged, their base was demolished to zero from the air. Since then, do not rock the boat.
      1. assa67
        assa67 4 November 2017 17: 05 New
        +4
        they don’t have time for this now - they would have survived .... hi
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 4 November 2017 18: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: assa67
          they don’t have time for this now - they would have survived .... hi


          You read the news and think with your head ..

          In order to understand these migration-terrorist processes, you need to know several important things about ISIS *, which are hardly talked about on TV. As a human being, who happened to drive the roads of the “caliphate” a bit, I will try to state them thesis.
          First, ISIS is not just an Islamic international. By 2015, the radical quasi-state was a predominantly Russian-speaking international. The Russian language, in fact, occupied the role of the second state language - after the Arabic, the language of the Koran.
          Practically all ISIS bureaucratic documentation was duplicated in Russian (yes, terrorists also had bureaucracy, which, by the way, fundamentally distinguished Ishilov’s from Al-Qaeda, the caliphate’s ideologists understood that it takes a lot to make ordinary people believe in the illusion of the state pieces of paper).

          In navigating the territory controlled by terrorists, Cyrillic has also always been used. I have a whole photo collection of Igilov road signs, where the Arabic names are firmly adjacent to the Russian-language designations of cities and towns.
          Such a demand for the great and powerful, comparable only with the era of the USSR, among people of such diverse nationalities can be explained very simply -
          how else to communicate Tajik with a Chechen, being on the same front line?
          At least there is Russian in the subcortex, but Arabic must be learned.
          The last week in the media and social networks actively discussed statistics published by the Americans - they say, Russia ranks first in the supply of militants to ISIS. In fact, the statistics are correct (we don’t take quantitative indicators, they are underestimated in all countries), only instead of Russia it would be correct to write - CIS, here the leadership is undeniable.
          Central Asians, for example, went to ISIS not only to fight, but also migrant workers, entire families. Mujahideen from Kazakhstan were responsible for the housing and communal services in the quasi-state.
          Once I was genuinely amazed when I drove into Al-Shaddadi, who had just been freed from terrorists, and instead of ubiquitous black plates with an Igilov label, I saw painted on the sky-blue walls of administrative buildings and endless blinds of trading shops. It turns out that these are Kazakh Igilov, who were engaged in the improvement of the cities captured by the radicals, painted it all in the colors of their native blue flag.
          ....
          And now here’s your information for consideration, a small kaleidoscope of facts: at the beginning of 2016, part of the military experts working with the SAA were transferred to Dushanbe (as my sources in the General Staff say, and I tend to believe them), plus guys from the Tajik special services The responsibility zone of which included the border with Afghanistan has already been reported: over the past year, units unknown to anyone have been formed behind the "ribbon" (as the siloviki are called the demarcation line).
          It is easy to guess which flags they will raise at the right time and who will lead the invasion. Ex-Colonel Halimov is perfect for this role.

          Too much material and intellectual resources were invested in the “ISIS project” to take it and simply dissolve in the Middle Eastern desert. The retreat plan is ready, the "caliphate" moves to the border with the CIS.

          Even Bortnikov mentioned this in passing in his September report. And now, against the background of the information leak that Russia is going to reduce its military presence in Syria in the near future, there are no questions for me - in what direction will the minds of our military strategists be reoriented.
          Semyon Pegov, military commander
          1. Fedya2017
            Fedya2017 4 November 2017 19: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: ZVO
            The retreat plan is ready, the "caliphate" moves to the border with the CIS.

            Very interesting information ... It turns out that, having decided to smash the Caliphate "on distant approaches," only brought them closer to their borders, or already "near approaches"? And those who made the decision: 1. Understood that this would be so? 2. They wanted the best, but it turned out as always? 3. Was that what you intended? ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 4 November 2017 22: 21 New
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              Quote: Fedya2017
              It turns out that, having decided to smash the Caliphate "on distant approaches," only brought them closer to their borders, or already "near approaches"?

              Ordinary propaganda, a lie, here it is necessary to clarify where is the place where the caliphate "moves"?
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 5 November 2017 02: 19 New
                +3
                If the creation of the Caliphate in Central Asia with the help of the United States begins, then the agreement on the supply of illegal armed groups in Afghanistan with arms will be violated. As if the Yankees themselves did not regret to take such a step. The Russian Federation and the CSTO will begin to look for allies there and Syria will repeat itself. NATO and Afghanistan will lose control and pressure on the country's arm. In addition to Dostum, there is Massud’s nephew - he is now the chief among the Tajiks Pansher. Tajiks in terms of numbers in Afghanistan, like Pashtuns (about a third); Uzbeks - 5%, there are Hazaras (pro-Iranian). The northern front of Afghanistan last time in a few weeks formed. Now, Iran and China will help us + Indians began to work there. It must be assumed that the Chinese will react much more actively, because XUAR is located on their border. And they stated that they would not allow US interference in the affairs of the region.
                Based on everything, we can conclude. NATO, if it starts to create a Caliphate in Central Asia, can lose a lot - cleaner than in Syria. It should also be noted that the SCO may cut off NATO supplies in Afghanistan. And then the Yankees will have to take off their legs much faster than their barmalei will take something to Central Asia. I believe that in the long run, NATO will only lose from this. hi
              2. ZVO
                ZVO 5 November 2017 10: 08 New
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                Quote: Setrac

                Ordinary propaganda, a lie, here it is necessary to clarify where is the place where the caliphate "moves"?


                This is our Russian war correspondent wrote.
                Which is in Syria, at the forefront already.
                Now get up from the couch, look at yourself in the mirror ...
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 5 November 2017 11: 28 New
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                  Quote: ZVO
                  Now get up from the couch, look at yourself in the mirror ...

                  Apparently you are a malicious sofa hater, and you in your life were sitting on the couch?
                  Quote: ZVO
                  This is our Russian war correspondent wrote.
                  Which is in Syria, at the forefront already.

                  Well, let this super-duper checkbook overeat to which place the caliphate is.
                  Rather, specify if you are so "smart"
          2. assa67
            assa67 5 November 2017 18: 40 New
            +3
            so what I wrote about-in Syria, Russia is fighting, first of all, in its interests .... read my first koment ...
    2. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 4 November 2017 19: 13 New
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      It’s sinful to laugh, MASSAD and the CIA are the creators of ISIS ...
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 November 2017 20: 10 New
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        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        It’s sinful to laugh, MASSAD and the CIA are the creators of ISIS ...

        About Mossad - this is ridiculous, and the creators of the Islamic State in Iraq were bombarded by Americans, they destroyed the air defense that was recaptured from Iraq (safe altitude 5 km) Rakku and Mosul would have taken figs without their participation. Obvious things, by the way.
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 4 November 2017 20: 16 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
          It’s sinful to laugh, MASSAD and the CIA are the creators of ISIS ...

          About Mossad - this is ridiculous, and the creators of the Islamic State in Iraq were bombarded by Americans, they destroyed the air defense that was recaptured from Iraq (safe altitude 5 km) Rakku and Mosul would have taken figs without their participation. Obvious things, by the way.

          Not obvious, if you recall who and against whom Al Qaeda was created ...
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 4 November 2017 21: 57 New
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            Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
            It’s sinful to laugh, MASSAD and the CIA are the creators of ISIS ...

            About Mossad - this is ridiculous, and the creators of the Islamic State in Iraq were bombarded by Americans, they destroyed the air defense that was recaptured from Iraq (safe altitude 5 km) Rakku and Mosul would have taken figs without their participation. Obvious things, by the way.

            Not obvious, if you recall who and against whom Al Qaeda was created ...

            El Qaeda was created by Pakistani intelligence with the help of the CIA with the money of the State Depot to combat the limited contingent of SA in Afghanistan. ISIS has to do with it?
            1. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 4 November 2017 22: 24 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              It’s sinful to laugh, MASSAD and the CIA are the creators of ISIS ...

              About Mossad - this is ridiculous, and the creators of the Islamic State in Iraq were bombarded by Americans, they destroyed the air defense that was recaptured from Iraq (safe altitude 5 km) Rakku and Mosul would have taken figs without their participation. Obvious things, by the way.

              Not obvious, if you recall who and against whom Al Qaeda was created ...

              El Qaeda was created by Pakistani intelligence with the help of the CIA with the money of the State Depot to combat the limited contingent of SA in Afghanistan. ISIS has to do with it?

              Despite the fact that the creators of this creation are the same, Israeli Jews were added to them, different projects, different ISIS ... why not understand?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 4 November 2017 22: 52 New
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                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                It’s sinful to laugh, MASSAD and the CIA are the creators of ISIS ...

                About Mossad - this is ridiculous, and the creators of the Islamic State in Iraq were bombarded by Americans, they destroyed the air defense that was recaptured from Iraq (safe altitude 5 km) Rakku and Mosul would have taken figs without their participation. Obvious things, by the way.

                Not obvious, if you recall who and against whom Al Qaeda was created ...

                El Qaeda was created by Pakistani intelligence with the help of the CIA with the money of the State Depot to combat the limited contingent of SA in Afghanistan. ISIS has to do with it?

                Despite the fact that the creators of this creation are the same, Israeli Jews were added to them, different projects, different ISIS ... why not understand?

                I do not have friends in various intelligence agencies of the world to have information about the participation of Jews and Amers in the creation of the Islamic State. Logically and factually - nonsense.
                1. XXXIII
                  XXXIII 4 November 2017 23: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  to have info about the participation of Jews and Amers in the creation of the IG.
                  not all nations have immunity against revolutions .... but there are those who bring them to life, the form of undermining the consciousness of people is different ..... there is always a weak link .... yes
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                  2. Shahno
                    Shahno 5 November 2017 00: 08 New
                    +1
                    Yes, we love the revolution ......
                    1. XXXIII
                      XXXIII 5 November 2017 00: 17 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Shahno
                      Yes, we love the revolution ......
                      when will you host revolutions? ..... fellow
                      1. Shahno
                        Shahno 5 November 2017 00: 22 New
                        +2
                        Soon, bye. It’s necessary to take a closer look.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 November 2017 04: 46 New
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                        Quote: XXXIII
                        Quote: Shahno
                        Yes, we love the revolution ......
                        when will you host revolutions? ..... fellow

                        But we don’t need revolutions, if we don’t like something, we just re-elect the government, and do not come up with masons, protocols from the wise men and women and other outside interference.
                2. MOSKVITYANIN
                  MOSKVITYANIN 5 November 2017 11: 40 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                  It’s sinful to laugh, MASSAD and the CIA are the creators of ISIS ...

                  About Mossad - this is ridiculous, and the creators of the Islamic State in Iraq were bombarded by Americans, they destroyed the air defense that was recaptured from Iraq (safe altitude 5 km) Rakku and Mosul would have taken figs without their participation. Obvious things, by the way.

                  Not obvious, if you recall who and against whom Al Qaeda was created ...

                  El Qaeda was created by Pakistani intelligence with the help of the CIA with the money of the State Depot to combat the limited contingent of SA in Afghanistan. ISIS has to do with it?

                  Despite the fact that the creators of this creation are the same, Israeli Jews were added to them, different projects, different ISIS ... why not understand?

                  I do not have friends in various intelligence agencies of the world to have information about the participation of Jews and Amers in the creation of the Islamic State. Logically and factually - nonsense.

                  You contradict yourself dear (?), How can you say that this is nonsense, if as you yourself said:
                  I do not have friends in different intelligence services of the world to have information about the participation of Jews and Amers in the creation of the IG

                  Accordingly, after your saying, you don’t give a damn about your logic ... due to its absence, gee ....
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 5 November 2017 17: 00 New
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                    :)))
                    And this is nonsense.
  5. vlad007
    vlad007 4 November 2017 16: 51 New
    +3
    Quote from the article: "In particular, not so long ago," a money for Syria "was counted by one very old, but long-dropped out political party from the State Duma."

    1. If we are talking about "Apple", so it was necessary to write like that! Nobody listens to them (Yabloko) or reads.
    2. Speculation arises where there is no official information. The author wrote the article, but did not indicate the number. How much did the operation in Syria cost?
  6. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 4 November 2017 16: 52 New
    0
    Everything is fine, except for one, it is necessary to name these gentlemen directly, each has a surname, first name, patronymic well, or the name of the organization - enemies must be called in person, especially if they pretend to be friends
  7. padded jacket
    padded jacket 4 November 2017 17: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar

    And why is Israel ruined and poor neighbors?

    Maybe you just envy if the neighbors start living better than you lol
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2017 22: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: quilted jacket
      Quote: Krasnodar

      And why is Israel ruined and poor neighbors?

      Maybe you just envy if the neighbors start living better than you lol

      And why do Jews settle in Borvikha, Zhukovka, Manhattan, and not in Gus-Khrustalny, Harlem, South Butovo? ))))
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 4 November 2017 22: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Krasnodar
        And why do Jews settle in Borvikha, Zhukovka, Manhattan, and not in Gus-Khrustalny, Harlem, South Butovo? ))))
        You can come to any city center, there are a lot of Jews .... lol
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 November 2017 03: 14 New
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          Quote: XXXIII
          Quote: Krasnodar
          And why do Jews settle in Borvikha, Zhukovka, Manhattan, and not in Gus-Khrustalny, Harlem, South Butovo? ))))
          You can come to any city center, there are a lot of Jews .... lol

          So there are fewer poor neighbors ...
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 5 November 2017 10: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            So there are fewer poor neighbors ...
            yes this is the most important thing, all poverty must be isolated .....
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          2. XXXIII
            XXXIII 5 November 2017 10: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: Krasnodar
            But we don’t need revolutions, if we don’t like something, we just re-elect the government, and do not come up with masons, protocols from the wise men and women and other outside interference.
            but what do you think up, and threats of terrorists? your government is engaged in this propaganda, they want to destroy blah blah and against this background the party of war always comes to power ..... how do you explain the fact that you are shooting at those who haven’t even attacked you, like that? (we will destroy something that is considered a threat to Israel), only indirect accusations, there is no evidence and can not be, since not one country has yet attacked you ..... shelling of terrorists is the only thing that falls under the concept of war ..... only terrorists are not a country, they are terrorists, and you are firing at sovereign territories ..... therefore you will always have a war party, you don’t even have to choose it .... laughing .
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 November 2017 15: 45 New
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              Quote: XXXIII
              Quote: Krasnodar
              But we don’t need revolutions, if we don’t like something, we just re-elect the government, and do not come up with masons, protocols from the wise men and women and other outside interference.
              but what do you think up, and threats of terrorists? your government is engaged in this propaganda, they want to destroy blah blah and against this background the party of war always comes to power ..... how do you explain the fact that you are shooting at those who haven’t even attacked you, like that? (we will destroy something that is considered a threat to Israel), only indirect accusations, there is no evidence and can not be, since not one country has yet attacked you ..... shelling of terrorists is the only thing that falls under the concept of war ..... only terrorists are not a country, they are terrorists, and you are firing at sovereign territories ..... therefore you will always have a war party, you don’t even have to choose it .... laughing .

              How not to attack? From 1948 to 2014 they still attack :))
              Sometimes the invasion of thousands of tanks with the participation of “all progressive humanity” as in 1973, sometimes just cities fire, as in 2014
              Read the conflict story
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 5 November 2017 20: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Read the conflict story
                so if you are always fired upon and attacked for so long that you do not destroy those who do it, the conclusion is that everything that happens is at your fingertips, I mean the authorities ... because you have a strong army, modern weapons .... be afraid of what all your enemies will come together as a wedge if you start to press them on all fronts, and you have a lot of enemies, fortunately your enemies are so-so wink.... it turns out that you will endure, and your military-industrial complex will make money on this .... negative
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 November 2017 20: 36 New
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                  Quote: XXXIII
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Read the conflict story
                  so if you are always fired upon and attacked for so long that you do not destroy those who do it, the conclusion is that everything that happens is at your fingertips, I mean the authorities ... because you have a strong army, modern weapons .... be afraid of what all your enemies will come together as a wedge if you start to press them on all fronts, and you have a lot of enemies, fortunately your enemies are so-so wink.... it turns out that you will endure, and your military-industrial complex will make money on this .... negative

                  We have peace with Jordan and Egypt. And how to destroy the rest? Cut the Palestinians? To bomb Iraq, Iran and Syria nuclear weapons? Roll Lebanon into concrete? Even if such orders are no one will execute them. This 200 million people need to bang. More than died in WWII.
                  1. XXXIII
                    XXXIII 5 November 2017 20: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Roll up in concrete
                    well, at least along the borders to clean as it should ..... and so they stand at your gates and scam in peaceful areas ..... just watch this mouse fuss and think that this is something everyone needs ..... the United States you allies, carpet bombardments along the borders of 3 times a day, breakfast, lunch. dinner, in a week I think even the insects will go away .... yes
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 6 November 2017 00: 33 New
                      +1
                      Quote: XXXIII
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Roll up in concrete
                      well, at least along the borders to clean as it should ..... and so they stand at your gates and scam in peaceful areas ..... just watch this mouse fuss and think that this is something everyone needs ..... the United States you allies, carpet bombardments along the borders of 3 times a day, breakfast, lunch. dinner, in a week I think even the insects will go away .... yes

                      There are other distances :) You’ll clean along the borders, they will shoot rockets from the city center, as in Gaza. And the constant military presence, as we had before 2000 in southern Lebanon and until 2005 in Gaza, weary ourselves - constantly conscripts die and this is expensive.
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 5 November 2017 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        And why do Jews settle in Borvikha, Zhukovka, Manhattan, and not in Gus-Khrustalny, Harlem, South Butovo? ))))

        And many of these Jews? lol
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 November 2017 15: 45 New
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          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: Krasnodar
          And why do Jews settle in Borvikha, Zhukovka, Manhattan, and not in Gus-Khrustalny, Harlem, South Butovo? ))))

          And many of these Jews? lol

          Yes :)
  8. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 4 November 2017 18: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Fedya2017
    If the dead and mutilated there could answer the author, what would they say? ...


    They went there themselves, having made their choice. No one drives anyone there by force, but on the contrary a line of fighters for several business trips ahead. It’s just that someone was used to screaming on the couch that our guys were dying, and someone was used to doing their work, albeit risky but for which he is paid a salary. Their profession is this.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 4 November 2017 20: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Xscorpion
      It's just that someone is used to screaming on the couch that our guys are dying there

      Are you broadcasting from the trench in Syria ??! ... Not from the couch?
    2. MadCat
      MadCat 5 November 2017 02: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Xscorpion
      It's just that someone is used to shouting on the couch that our guys are dying there, and someone is used to doing their job, albeit risky, but for which he is paid a salary. Their profession is like that.

      there is no need for fairy tales, those who want to catch not so much bullet for frankly speaking not respectable salary, temporary “vacationers” go there by order.
  9. Aspid 57
    Aspid 57 4 November 2017 19: 32 New
    +5
    Not a fig yourself! Got a free training ground! Everyone was given a shot and sailors and pilots! At the same time, the IG was defeated at distant approaches, without waiting for them to latch into Central Asia! What more could you ask for?
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 4 November 2017 23: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Aspid 57
      What more could you ask for?

      How what? Syria needs to be rebuilt ... Do you like with money?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 23: 04 New
        +9
        Quote: Fedya2017
        Syria needs to be rebuilt ...

        It is necessary - to whom?
        Quote: Fedya2017
        How's your money?

        Why are you interested in?
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 November 2017 19: 42 New
    +3
    There are no numbers and therefore there is nothing to discuss. The author is a competent person, and who else but he should know that any war is unprofitable by definition. One burning with our bombers (of which we have a few) of a precious resource with a quarter of the bomb load is just worth it! Of course, there may be and political benefits, but it's too early to draw conclusions. our military leadership begins to talk about the next reduction in the group, and the major players against whom this war is indirectly waged and have not gone anywhere and how they behave in such a situation can only be assumed.
    As an article to shame the so-called "liberals" will come down (I myself deeply despise this Yavlinsky with his companion), but the real analysis is rare where you will find it now. There is none here either. Hence the comments on the article are abstract and on the verge of emotions, but not reasoning.
  11. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 4 November 2017 19: 48 New
    +2

    Hard to challenge!
  12. Curious
    Curious 4 November 2017 23: 56 New
    +1
    All the author wrote well. I forgot to indicate only the real reason for the war in Syria - control over the most advantageous positions in terms of supplies of Middle Eastern energy resources to Europe. It all starts from here.
    And from this point of view it is necessary to consider all the benefits.
  13. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 November 2017 04: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Fedya2017
    Quote: Aspid 57
    What more could you ask for?

    How what? Syria needs to be rebuilt ... Do you like with money?

    But this is not necessary. During WWII, they welcomed the Nazis:
    We don't need anymore
    Neither monsieur nor mister
    After all, in heaven there is A-lah
    Hitler is on Earth
    Syrian verse of the 40s
  14. Antares
    Antares 5 November 2017 10: 00 New
    +1
    Alexander Khramchikhin is a rather famous author. In this topic, he substantiates the expediency of the war in Syria. It seems good for the general reader. But I'm always interested in the details (and the devil is in them)
    The first one. What prevented doing this earlier? 4-5 years earlier? When Syria was not yet plunged into chaos. When her army has not lost much? When the whole operation could become more efficient and short-term with minimal cost? Maybe that's why-
    "We do not have any exclusive interests in the same Syria, which we are pursuing while maintaining the current government," he said.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 5 November 2017 11: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Antares
      The first one. What prevented doing this earlier? 4-5 years earlier? When Syria was not yet plunged into chaos. When her army has not lost much?

      We were not called. We were not needed
    2. Curious
      Curious 5 November 2017 12: 26 New
      0
      Until the time that Assad did not interfere with the laying of the gas pipeline from Qatar, the United States had no questions for him. As soon as he began to hinder this under the influence of "interested parties", the "Arab Spring" began. In Syria, the question is being decided whose gas pipe will warm Europe and, accordingly, who will receive the money for this. The rest is white noise.
  15. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 November 2017 15: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Israel has enough territory for all 14 million Jews of the planet and local Arabs. :)

    Nonsense - these are your words, they want more.

    How many years have you lived in Israel? I am 25. Who better to know what the Jews want?
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 5 November 2017 21: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Krasnodar
      How many years have you lived in Israel? I am 25. Who better to know what the Jews want?

      And what do they want, tell society ..... at least a small part of what they want, maybe you will have more allies .... good
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 November 2017 00: 40 New
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        Quote: XXXIII
        Quote: Krasnodar
        How many years have you lived in Israel? I am 25. Who better to know what the Jews want?

        And what do they want, tell society ..... at least a small part of what they want, maybe you will have more allies .... good

        That's for the sake of the allies ....))))
        They want everyone to leave them alone and quietly make grandmas :)
        Some for the purpose of advertising loudly make grandmothers, but these are those who are looking for investors :)
        And on average three children per family. Something like this.
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  16. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 5 November 2017 21: 20 New
    +1
    An army that has combat experience costs 3 times more than no such experience. The equipment that she tested, brought into practice and applied in real combat operations, is 2 times more expensive in the WORLD MARKET than such tests that have not passed. Including even ALL things on conservation, in reserve and not modernized, even completely seemingly outdated and discontinued and even out of service, and even quite old and rusty. This is understandable even to the half-witted critics of the “Putin Syrian adventure” - they understand the “capitalization of the company”, they are from these “capitalists”. That is, two years ago the country had the Armed Forces worth, say, a trillion dollars, and now they are estimated at 2 or 3 trillion. This is a fact - and this is the military-economic effect of the Russian operation in Syria, historical and undeniable. The military-political effect is also great, including geopolitical - and no less historical. For 300 years, Russia has been breaking through land trade routes "to the southern seas," that is, to the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf. They were built for centuries by bastions and traps against Russia by ALL GREAT HOLDINGS OF ALL TIMES. First of all, Ottomans and arrogant Saxons. These paths have not yet been reached on the necessary scale and are not properly protected and equipped — but they are close to this — see Putin’s meeting the other day in Tehran. There is already a through railway to the Persian Gulf. The way through Iran, Iraq and Syria to the Mediterranean Sea also comes to mind. So there is nothing to cry over 200 billion rubles if you managed to gain 10 billion dollars!
  17. Setrac
    Setrac 6 November 2017 14: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    That is, Roman historians also lied? :)

    Duck who saw these your "Roman" historians. Modern historians lie.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    And the Roman architects built the arch of Titus to falsify the Jewish right to invade Palestine in 2000 years? :)

    Unfortunately, the arch on can tell who build it and it does not prove Jewish history.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    And the Christians lied, describing the life of Jesus in Judea, who was okuled by the Romans? )) In order to come up with an excuse for the Jewish coming to this land in the 20th century)))

    They lied, even how, the same Catholics rewrote the whole story, I remind you of Christianity, the Jews came up with. And yes, that's right, they lie to justify their future actions. Well done Jews, working with an eye on centuries and millennia.
    Think about what part of Asia was called Europe?
    Quote: Krasnodar
    But what Jews from Russia do not call Russian Jews? )))

    Because they are Jews and not Russian.
  18. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 7 November 2017 15: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Fedya2017
    Quote: Xscorpion
    It's just that someone is used to screaming on the couch that our guys are dying there

    Are you broadcasting from the trench in Syria ??! ... Not from the couch?


    Not from the couch, I'm still in service so far
  19. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 7 November 2017 15: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: MadCat
    Quote: Xscorpion
    It's just that someone is used to shouting on the couch that our guys are dying there, and someone is used to doing their job, albeit risky, but for which he is paid a salary. Their profession is like that.

    there is no need for fairy tales, those who want to catch not so much bullet for frankly speaking not respectable salary, temporary “vacationers” go there by order.


    For a trip of 3 months, you can buy a good new car, if you stay for 3 more, you can buy a very good or one-room apartment in most regions of Russia. The lineup is very large, and many commanders even take bribes to include certain people on the list. that they go there involuntarily, by order, with tears in their eyes, this is complete nonsense
  20. timgan777
    timgan777 8 November 2017 20: 18 New
    +1
    to collect all this rot, and send it to that latrine where its financing comes from