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We should not be afraid of strong Islam, but of weak Christianity.

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The spread of Islam in Europe can bring Christianity back to popularity; secularism has become a new religion and refers to others with neophyte aggression; The church does not know yet how to deal with bioethics, but has already allowed the baptism of surrogate babies. Forecast for the future of Orthodoxy and Christianity from Vladimir Legoyda - Chairman of the Synodal Department for Church Relations with Society and the Media of the Moscow Patriarchate

What is the future of religion in 10-20 years? Today in Europe its social significance is noticeably decreasing. On the other hand, in the countries of the third world the number of Muslims is growing, and in Africa and Latin America - the number of Catholics. Two poles are obtained. What is the result of their proximity?

The trends you mentioned really exist. Only in Europe, not the role of religion in general, but Christianity, which for centuries has been a traditional religion for these places, is declining. True, this situation differs markedly from country to country, so it’s quite difficult to talk about a common or one trend. One thing - Spain, Italy, Poland, another - France, Germany or, say, Norway. In parallel, the influence of Islam is increasing in Europe and the world, and it is not yet clear what kind of global reaction its expansion will cause.

Cardinal Kurt Koch once said: “We should not be afraid of strong Islam, but of weak Christianity.” If you look at this statement as the starting point of some kind of program, we can assume that in the European territories the strengthening of Islam will lead to a turn of society towards strong Christianity. True, while this is not visible, but история very often develops not according to the scenario that seems most obvious to the majority.

From the moment when the Bolsheviks began to preach atheism aggressively, promises to bury religion were repeatedly heard. Unsuccessfully. Religion will not leave our life, because this is what a person needs.

I confess, it becomes alarming when I find out that in Europe, officials decide to destroy churches, prohibit wearing crosses in schools, and it is indecent to talk about faith in university walls. What do you think will countries in the future appear on the map of Europe in which religious activity will be outlawed or artificially reduced to zero?

I do not exclude that in some countries at the level of public regulation there will be established rules that significantly limit the public manifestation of religiosity. I have already said many times: if a cross is a problem for someone, which is visible to others, where is the guarantee that the cross on the dome of the temple will not become the same problem tomorrow? Do we have to close the temples with some huge fences? We are already facing a negative reaction to the bells. Moreover, in our country.

I think that such opposition also has quasi-religious roots. Secularism, which claims to be the only regulator of social life, is already an ideology or quasi-religion. Sometime in history, the dominance of one religion implied mandatory restrictions for another. Now there is often a similar struggle between aggressive secularism and Christianity.

From the point of view of sociology, the ROC is a large public organization. Greenpeace, for example, too. If you ask Greenpeace managers what they are going to do with the next 25 years, they will say that global warming and waste recycling will be the main topics for them, and the problem of oil production and atomic energy will become less important than before. Does the ROC have a similar clear vision of problems for the future?

The Russian Church, not to mention Christianity in general, is much older than Greenpeace. Here, at least, a slightly different angle of view.

The problems that a person solves in religion are the same age as a person. Modern apologetics says that there is an innate religious need in people. But both sociologists and anthropologists will agree that a person does not feel the needs that are in principle unrealizable - this is how we work. (I’m talking about needs now, not about fantastic plans and Manilov’s dreams). So our plans are not designed for 25 years, but for the entire existence of mankind.

Oil deposits can change, and a person, as long as he lives, will not get away from the eternal problems of life and death. I was recently shown an article that says that scientists will change the aging gene and people will live on average 120 years. But “damn questions” are not going anywhere. Just longer we will suffer them ...

Everything will just return to the Old Testament framework, where the patriarchs lived for hundreds of years?

Yes, everything is already described.

At the same time, like Greenpeace, we are confronted with modern challenges: environmental disasters, discussions about the education of the future, the departure of young people into virtuality ... There are problems that do not have a ready-made theological solution. For example, some questions of bioethics, the possible anthropological consequences are bioethical. There are issues that are solved. Recently, by the way, a separate document was adopted in the Russian Church on the baptism of surrogate babies.

And how baptized?

Baptized, of course. Strictly speaking, even arguments against surrogate motherhood are more moral than purely theological. If a woman leases her body for money, bears a child for someone, this is certainly a moral problem. But this does not mean that the child can not be baptized.

Does the Church need to modernize the inner life and the principles of working with people?

I try not to use the word “modernization”, because for some people it will immediately cause a predictable reaction of rejection, and my words will immediately be labeled in a certain way - even before reading and without trying to delve into what is being said.

Does the church need change? Of course, needed. The church is a living organism that is constantly changing. Look, today we have metropolitans present on Vkontakte and Facebook. In parallel, there are metropolitans who have never seen Facebook or Vkontakte.

Priests who are less than 40 or 30 years old are people of their generation. They did not fall from the moon and grew in our time with all its pluses and minuses. I do not want to go into the discussion about the generations X, Y, Z and Pepsi now, but they are experiencing the same difficulties as their peers.

When the apostle Paul says “for all I have become everything to save some” - is this not an indication of the need to change and a Christian’s ability to change in order to preach the gospel? Another thing, this does not mean that you need to change the language of worship for every 10 years or adjust it to the slang that has appeared.

There is a very serious missionary mistake when the preacher seeks to win over the audience and starts saying “we are the same as you”. But Christians are not the same as non-Christians, however politically incorrect it may sound today. This border can not be crossed. “We call you to where you will not come without the Church,” “Christ promised that you will never receive on your own,” only this can be a real Orthodox sermon.

We communicate with Muslims, Buddhists and Jews, with believers and non-believers, and each person is called upon to respect the image of God, regardless of the religious views of this person. But the Christian himself checks these views with one thing - the Gospel. We cannot, we have no right to say that to be a Christian or a Muslim is the same from the point of view of Christianity. No, not the same. Actually, this is the position of any world religion, in the center of which is the question of truth and salvation.

The presence of metropolitans on Vkontakte and Facebook is, of course, good. But now the main struggle on the Internet is in the style of presenting information to users. The question is not where to start an account, but how to tell you about yourself. Here, it seems to me, the Church has a serious problem, since 90% of bishops speak the language of not even ancient teachers, but Soviet officials, and prominent church experts speak the language of intellectuals of the beginning of the 20 century, which few people accept today.

I disagree with this figure for two reasons: first, we have recently increased the number of bishops, as the dioceses have greatly increased (200 dioceses in Russia alone). Most of the bishops who were ordained in recent years are young people, they simply cannot know the language of the Soviet bureaucracy. The second point: how "outdated" language is a serious problem? One of my comrades called the modern youth "design generation". I agree with that. But this has its advantages for the richest church tradition of painting and architecture.

In addition, modern society is very fragmented. Recently, the singer Schnur, in response to the words that he is megapopular, said: "I am popular in certain social groups." And this is true: among some people he is popular, and among others it is considered just to mention his name. Such is the peculiarity of the modern world. On the one hand, it complicates life, because there are few universal authorities in it. On the other hand, it seems to me that religion belongs to those eternal topics that experiments with style can harm and which can unite a large number of people precisely by their stylistic constancy.

Say, the problem of language, of course, exists: it is necessary to speak so that the audience understands you. We have fathers experimenters on Youtube. One, it seems to me, generally works in the style of Max + 100500, only, of course, without swearing. But on the likes and dislikes, as well as on the comments it is clear that not all are ready to accept it. But even with such a modern pitch, of course, these videos do not have millions of views. And will not. As rightly pointed out the reasons for this, one of my friends, professionally versed in this topic: “There is no mat. No boobs. No Mimi. Difficult to object.

I watched several experiments when the priest tried to go with the audience not just to the pontoon language, but, let's say, to the subcultural one. Often the result was the exact opposite of the idea. Still, religious interest is deeply focused on style. They always meet, of course, according to their clothes, but they see off something in their minds. In general, the main thing - to have something to accompany.

... Yes, today there is the problem of actualizing the sermon. But is there a universal recipe for solving this problem? Of course not. Although I can call one universal criterion: it must scratch the heart. A person, having heard a sermon, should understand how it relates to his present life, and, ideally, be inspired by what he heard.

Then, it seems to me, in the Russian seminaries, it is necessary to cancel the courses of preaching sermons and simply look at the site TED.com in the free time. Because his short lectures fully meet the conditions you listed.

I assure you, His Holiness the Patriarch is well aware of the various formats of modern public speeches and in our seminaries not only classical homiletic courses at the level of the 19 century are taught.

That is TED.com watching?

Maybe not necessarily, as you would like, but someone probably looks. That it is useful, I agree. Although there are other useful sites ...

In Russia, theology acquired the status of secular science, recently passed the defense of the first dissertation, and then many scientists were afraid that the Russian high school was slipping into archaic. Is this so or, conversely, will ecclesiastical thought become more relevant in a dialogue with secular science?

I consider the problem of the legalization of theology in our academic environment as an atavism of the Soviet period. Genetics were forced to admit, and theology is still "wanted, and pricked." We all understand that the scientific status of theology is consistent with world academic practice. And nothing extraordinary from a scientific point of view is happening now. It seems to me that in the protests against theology we see manifestations of a dogmatically-unscientific understanding of humanitarian disciplines, which is encountered, first of all, among some natural scientists.

The main problem, as has always been since Galileo, is the demarcation of religion and science. And inside science too. Now they have introduced a new discipline, it is necessary to draw a demarcation line: here is religious studies, here is philosophy, here is theology. Methodologically this is a simple understandable thing.

I think for most people the question “science theology or not?” Is not so important. What is important is how noticeable and convincing she can make herself known. For example, psychology is actively involved in public life. Theology, after it is established in the scientific community, will also become more noticeable? Will there be any interest to the man in the street?

I will say this: why not?

There is a very interesting modern theological thought, which is not yet widely known in Russia. Greek, for example. Or the tradition of modern Protestant apologetics, with which one may not agree on everything, but it is important and necessary to know.

Theology in dialogue with science will be able to attract the attention of not only the believing part of the population of our country and broaden the horizons of all thinking people.
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  1. Pan_hrabio
    Pan_hrabio 1 November 2017 16: 09 New
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    And what did the author of the article want to say? Everything and everything is mixed up without any logic of narration.

    As for the headline, an artificial return to strong Christianity is not an option, you need to go further and look for other options. There is already a very strong correlation between the level of development of the country and the degree of its religiosity.

    Here is a world map with religiosity indices:



    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Атеизм
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 7 November 2017 02: 17 New
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      The Russian Orthodox Church, in this hypostasis, has nothing to do with Faith and God. This is a shop for earning money and a corrupt girl of the current regime. There are, of course, priests, priests, and not priests, but these are clearly not hierarchs.
  2. Stas157
    Stas157 1 November 2017 16: 18 New
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    Religion in the world is gradually dying. It becomes not fashionable in modern people. She does not answer many questions. It is an atavism of the old world. Funny attempts by priests to saddle the Internet and social networks. At first, the saints deny all modern trends, and then, when they fail, they make assumptions and modernize religion.
    Religiosity and piety are, in general, the lot of not very educated people subject to manipulation. This is exactly what we observe among the supporters of the odious Islamic sect of ISIS.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 1 November 2017 17: 45 New
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      Quote: Stas157
      Religion in the world is gradually dying.
      Unfortunately not. Religion has been and will be, religion has exploited and will continue to exploit faith as one of the most pressing needs of mankind. They worshiped the sacred groves and the spirits of the forest, the river, under the guidance of the priests and shamans. There was a further development of civilization, it was called paganism, they began to pray to various gods in special temples, again with a caste of priests. Times have changed again, and it became paganism, a novelty appeared in religion, to the world of shadows, the kingdom of Hades, the antipode was added, - eternal bliss, Paradise. So from the religion of slaves in ancient Judea, in one of the provinces of ancient Rome, Christianity was born, which came to court in the new course of history. Based on Christianity, the Koran was written under the local color and mentality, Islam was created. Look at how chapels and churches are now breeding in Russia, minarets are stabbed together ... Opium for the people is again in price, the promise now to endure, and then get high in Paradise, is a very profitable and profitable business. Yes, religion will probably have to adapt to progress, and they will adapt, it will be necessary to divide Paradise on Earth and Paradise on Mars, explain what God created the newcomers, and so on, until the very system of exploitation of man, the amoral world of capitalism itself will not be destroyed . Therefore, it is more correct to say "We should not be afraid of strong Islam, but of weak Christianity.", and one should be afraid of obscurantism, return of the Middle Ages in the XXI century, it is necessary to return socialism, improve education and culture, not fruitless pilgrims to produce, on the basis of which they form the same fanatics in ISIS. God is, but the creators of religions are also far from him , as the current fattening priests from the precepts of Christ. God is in every person, and not religion is a synonym for faith.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 2 November 2017 01: 41 New
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        Gd is everywhere. One for all.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 2 November 2017 12: 11 New
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          No. The gods on Olympus and their twelve.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2017 01: 36 New
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      Quote: Stas157
      Religion in the world is gradually dying. It becomes not fashionable in modern people. She does not answer many questions. It is an atavism of the old world. Funny attempts by priests to saddle the Internet and social networks. At first, the saints deny all modern trends, and then, when they fail, they make assumptions and modernize religion.
      Religiosity and piety are, in general, the lot of not very educated people subject to manipulation. This is exactly what we observe among the supporters of the odious Islamic sect of ISIS.

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      Not quite right. The more people know about the structure of the eye, the strength of the joints, the nervous system (generally, electrical principles, the synchronization system), the security of the Solar System, the more he realizes that the chance of all this happening accidentally is one trillion. Therefore, atheism is faith. Blind and irrational :))
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 2 November 2017 12: 20 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        Therefore, atheism is faith. Blind and irrational :))

        Therefore STOP INSISTING OUR FEELINGS.
        In your long passage you very successfully forgot about the theory of evolution, about those sunk species that had weak eyes, fragile joints and a primitive nervous system. Because everything you listed is just the same did not arise by chance , and formed over a billion years of evolution.
        1. FenrirXnumx
          FenrirXnumx 2 November 2017 15: 13 New
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          Quote: forty-eighth
          because how all of the above you just did not arise by chance, but formed over a billion years of evolution.

          In order for something to form, a guiding will and mind are necessary. There should be a chief designer who weeds out nonviable options by a variety of criteria.
          And survival cannot be such a criterion. For example, the eye is a very complicated device. If you look from the point of view of evolution, then the eye should have formed billions of years and existed billions of years in the intermediate stages - not in working condition. And he could not give individuals any survival benefits. Those. For billions of years, someone has been carrying a non-functioning organ on himself, and for some reason he survived and gained an advantage over others.
          Well this is obvious bullshit. This is like believing that the wind drove sand across the field for a billion years and unexpectedly turned out to be a Boeing aircraft.
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  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 1 November 2017 17: 10 New
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    Crosses are always “brighter than the pope,” but they know their business and can do a tweet.
    Priests who are less than 40 or 30 years old are people of their generation. They did not fall from the moon and grew in our time with all its pluses and minuses. I do not want to go into the discussion about the generations X, Y, Z and Pepsi now, but they are experiencing the same difficulties as their peers.
    Damn, I got to the teenagers with problems and "difficulties." Now it’s clear that they are not up to us.
  4. gridasov
    gridasov 1 November 2017 21: 40 New
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    For any person, as well as for highly educated and scientists, Faith in the Divine Principles should be transformed with the evolution of the whole complex of processes of human development. The scientist should not believe in an idol and image, but believe in the actions of the Creator. Belief in rationality, the logical regularity of the construction of all physical relationships allows us to determine the very dimension of faith. The deeper you know the truth of the physical material world, the deeper the understanding of the spiritual foundations of the rationality of building this world
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      1. gridasov
        gridasov 8 May 2018 12: 54 New
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        First, do not forget that you are sailing in the same boat with those to whom you sell your knowledge and technology. Secondly, everything has a measure in literacy and education. As for the manipulators, you are right. We need to develop our own worldview in spite of the mass. But this is far from all
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          1. gridasov
            gridasov 8 May 2018 13: 13 New
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            You are right in your own perception and this is as a particular mathematical solution. At the same time, it is worth agreeing that if even thinking people of the same kind come together, it does not mean that everyone thinks in this way. So you need to be able to accept and many other views and opinions. Of course, in special cases, and I agree with you. But do not generalize too much. Our consciousness is brought up on binary logic, which means that we are still in the process of development and a new stage will be multipolar logic
  5. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 1 November 2017 22: 12 New
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    Quote: Stas157
    Religion in the world is gradually dying. It becomes not fashionable in modern people. She does not answer many questions. It is an atavism of the old world. Funny attempts by priests to saddle the Internet and social networks. At first, the saints deny all modern trends, and then, when they fail, they make assumptions and modernize religion.
    Religiosity and piety are, in general, the lot of not very educated people subject to manipulation. This is exactly what we observe among the supporters of the odious Islamic sect of ISIS.

    LISTEN-JUDGING AT YOUR POST, IT'S YOU NOT EDUCATED AND SUSTAINABLE MANIPULATION, UNDERSTAND YES ?????
    Religion is dying ???? Yes, for millions of years of its existence, mankind has not invented anything better than the Bible. To live well, people just need to obey God's commandments and laws:
    -Don't kill.
    -Don't steal it.
    And so on.
    Religion is a set of rules of human life worked out and tested by time and people. Violating which people slide to a level worse than animals and human civilization dies, people kill themselves, they destroy themselves. And religion is not against science and development!

    We-Russians-God with us!
    If God is with us, who is against us?
    God is in heaven, and Russia is on earth!
    We are Russian Orthodox, Russia-Russian Orthodox with the people of Russia Russian Orthodox.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 1 November 2017 23: 21 New
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      Quote: Belarus is Russia
      -Don't kill.
      -Don't steal it.
      And so on.

      Why do Christians not follow these commandments?
      Quote: Belarus is Russia
      Yes, for millions of years of its existence, mankind has not invented anything better than the Bible.

      Did they tell you in the church about "millions of years"? And you read the Old Testament - a natural allowance of a killer-pervert.
      Quote: Belarus is Russia
      We-Russians-God with us!
      If God is with us, who is against us?
      God is in heaven, and Russia is on earth!

      Not too pathetic?
      Quote: Belarus is Russia
      We are Russian Orthodox, Russia-Russian Orthodox with the people of Russia Russian Orthodox.

      So what did your Russian Orthodox sell the Russian people to the interventionists?
      1. Belarus is Russia
        Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 00: 31 New
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        Why do Christians not follow these commandments?

        Where did you get that don't follow? Just follow.
        And those who do not follow, if religiously explain to you, cannot control their sin. Turn your sins, the temptations of the devil.
        If the scientific explanation is: YOU VIDEO WATCHED WHAT I GIVED THE LINK TO YOU ???? THERE IS UNCLE-SPECIAL FOR SUCH AS YOU-EVERYTHING. Because people make garbage easier than something good.
        WHY DO YOU NOT WATCH THE VIDEO THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO YOU, ASKING ANSWERS-WHICH YOU TO CHEAR IN WRITTEN FOR LONG ????
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 4 November 2017 20: 57 New
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          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          And those who do not follow, if religiously explain to you, cannot control their sin. Turn your sins, the temptations of the devil.

          Well, of course, you can repent ....
          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          YOU VIDEO WATCHED WHAT I GIVED THE LINK TO YOU ????

          If I wanted to watch a video, I would go on YouTube. And you explain to me in your own words, and if you can’t, then it’s better not to start a dispute.
          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          WHY DO YOU NOT WATCH THE VIDEO THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO YOU, ASKING ANSWERS-WHICH YOU TO CHEAR IN WRITTEN FOR LONG ????

          So you can’t defend your position? Maybe because it is false?
      2. Belarus is Russia
        Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 00: 34 New
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        Did they tell you in the church about "millions of years"? And you read the Old Testament - a natural allowance of a killer-pervert.


        So I’m telling you, humanity hasn’t invented anything better than the Bible. Or can’t you understand something that’s hard? I’ll explain it to you specially. For all millions of years of life (that is, for their whole life) people have come up with nothing better than to follow those rules that preach good and fight evil. The Bible. The commandments and laws of God. If people live by them and fulfill them, there will be no evil between people in the world.
        SEE THE VIDEO LINK-THERE UNCLE-EVERYTHING.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 4 November 2017 21: 01 New
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          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          So I tell you, humanity has not invented anything better than the Bible.

          Why is the Bible better than the Qur'an or Talmud? But nothing!
          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          people haven’t come up with anything better than following the rules that preach good and fight evil.

          What does the Bible have to do with it? Do you think that only Christians are kind?
          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          If people live and fulfill it, there will be no evil between people in the world.

          Uncle chewed what would happen if he somehow circumvented the question of how to achieve this? Is your uncle just a demagogue?
      3. Belarus is Russia
        Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 00: 36 New
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        Not too pathetic?
        Generally not pathos. Russia Russian Orthodox Christian was, is and will be. It is.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 4 November 2017 21: 02 New
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          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          Generally not pathos. Russia Russian Orthodox Christian was, is and will be. It is.

          Only three hundred years of the Christian yoke, which is fortunately finished. It is significant that the church took the same tithe as the mythical Tatar-Mongols.
      4. Belarus is Russia
        Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 00: 41 New
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        Did they tell you in the church about "millions of years"? And you read the Old Testament - a natural allowance of a killer-pervert.
        Throughout its existence, people, mankind, have not invented anything better than the Bible. That is, a set of rules, commandments and laws of God, following which people can live without evil among themselves. Only old age, death, unpredictable situations will remain. But people among themselves they will not be at enmity.
        Watch the VIDEO FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END
        Denis Borisov: Christianity is number one.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 4 November 2017 21: 04 New
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          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          For all the time of its existence, people, humanity, have not invented anything better than the Bible.

          Wheel? Fire? The Internet? Prove to the Chinese that the Bible is our EVERYTHING, or Muslim!
      5. Belarus is Russia
        Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 00: 41 New
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        So what did your Russian Orthodox sell the Russian people to the interventionists?
        Or maybe they were sold as tight as you?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 4 November 2017 21: 04 New
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          Quote: Belarus is Russia
          Or maybe they were sold as tight as you?

          No insults in any way?
          Does it hurt my eyes?
          Why are you so excited?
          Love thy neighbour?
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  6. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 1 November 2017 22: 28 New
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    Quote: Stas157

    Religiosity and piety are, in general, the lot of not very educated people subject to manipulation. This is exactly what we observe among the supporters of the odious Islamic sect of ISIS.

    LISTEN-JUDGING AT YOUR POST, IT'S YOU NOT EDUCATED AND SUSTAINABLE MANIPULATION, UNDERSTAND YES ?????
    In ISIS, there are specialists. Well-trained and trained commandos are saboteurs. Yes, there is some percentage of some not-so-distant people. There are mercenaries. But these are far from being stupid and illiterate people as you imagine them. near. As in the Wild West at one time, the whole rabble rushed from all over the world.
    ISIS is a good special forces sabotage force, the United States and its coalitions. Disguised and disguised as terrorists. You know, it’s very convenient to capture countries in this way. We have nothing to do with it, it’s not us, but some kind of “terrorists”, but we are out of business.
  7. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 1 November 2017 22: 37 New
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    Quote: Stas157

    Religiosity and piety are, in general, the lot of not very educated people subject to manipulation. This is exactly what we observe among the supporters of the odious Islamic sect of ISIS.

    Dullness and stupidity are the misfortune of people. But not religiosity and piety. Dumb and meager are subject to manipulation.
    What do you say about Hitler and his Aryan race ??? Religion there didn’t smell, but about the "shit" bloody USA, on tanks, planes, corpses and blood ??? Here, too, religion does not smell, and democracy stinks.
  8. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 2 November 2017 02: 45 New
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    religion is a very profitable business. and always has been. like sins were released in the Middle Ages. like indulgences bought, etc.
  9. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 2 November 2017 10: 48 New
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    The position of Christianity in the West was significantly weakened as a result of systematic influence, however, the clergy itself was also rather robust with pedoscandals and financial scams. As noted, the whole of Latin America remains an oasis (it is not in vain that Francis is from there), and countries such as Poland and Austria.
    As for the sermon ... authority must be raised to listen.
    1. turbris
      turbris 2 November 2017 12: 12 New
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      Everyone has the right to be religious or not, now in every way, not without the help of the church, they belittle atheists, and there are more of them in Russia than believers and who relate to Orthodox Christianity only as the Orthodox tradition of Russia. If the next president of Russia is an atheist, can there be a separation of the church from the state again? Currently, the state is increasingly merging with the church and this trend is very alarming.
      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 3 November 2017 13: 32 New
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        Religious freedom in theory implies not only any faith in God, but also in other forces (without going deeper, atheism is also a belief in the forces of nature and people). You know, it is difficult for the powerful of the world to avoid the temptation to use the organizing forces of the church (in the broad sense, with regards to other religions), even if for the good.
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      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 8 May 2018 13: 13 New
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        What a creepy thing? Some form of satanism?
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  10. a housewife
    a housewife 2 November 2017 14: 09 New
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    Discussing religion in a broad sense is the same as discussing fashion. And what is more important - the body or clothing? Religion is the garment of faith. If there is no faith, then this is just a suit on a hanger, with any tsatskami and tags. The highest degree of atheism is the belief that a person has died and disappeared. There is no continuation. Anyone who believes in this is a good riddance to non-existence. The rest is written in the gospel.
    1. turbris
      turbris 3 November 2017 17: 27 New
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      And the whole religion rests on the fact that as if someone knows what will be there. You can conduct yourself in our life in accordance with your spiritual principles without religion, and all your life hope that you will feel good there, at least silly. The highest degree of atheism is the belief that a person should remain a person primarily in this life, then if it is a continuation and there it will be good. It doesn’t depend on how long you kneeled down your forgiveness for yourself, believing that they would have mercy on you.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 4 November 2017 00: 06 New
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        Yes, only here many, hoping that there is no such world, behave in a life just not humanly. It is they who steal, kill, rob, rape, lie, bomb and burn people. And if that - shot himself, it was all over. What does lap-begging have to do with it? No, well, if you feel guilty about yourself, if you have realized sin, beg, as your conscience says. And if you just bow down, you’ll break your forehead pointlessly. Quite right - faith without works is dead. But a truly believing person does good deeds not because it should be so. He commits them, because for him it is natural.
  11. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 00: 21 New
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    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    -Don't kill.
    -Don't steal it.
    And so on.

    Why do Christians not follow these commandments?
    Because people are sinners. YOU VIDEO WATCHED WHAT I GIVED THE LINK TO YOU ???? THERE IS UNCLE-SPECIAL FOR SUCH AS YOU-EVERYTHING. Because it’s easier to make garbage than something good.
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    Yes, for millions of years of its existence, mankind has not invented anything better than the Bible.

    Did they tell you in the church about "millions of years"? And you read the Old Testament - a natural allowance of a killer-pervert.
    So I’m telling you, humanity hasn’t invented anything better than the Bible. Or you can’t understand something tight. I’m explaining it specifically for you. For all millions of years of life (that is, for their whole life) people haven’t come up with anything better than to follow those rules that preach good and fight evil. The Bible. The commandments and laws of God. If people will live by them and fulfill them, there will be no peace between people.
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    We-Russians-God with us!
    If God is with us, who is against us?
    God is in heaven, and Russia is on earth!

    Not too pathetic?
    Not pathetic at all.
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    We are Russian Orthodox, Russia-Russian Orthodox with the people of Russia Russian Orthodox.

    So what did your Russian Orthodox sell the Russian people to the interventionists?

    The people are betrayed by traitors like you and people like you who shook their people and their country with an ear of shit.
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  13. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 00: 48 New
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    Quote: Atlant-1164
    religion is a very profitable business. and always has been. like sins were released in the Middle Ages. like indulgences bought, etc.

    Silly. You don’t understand the essence of religion at all. There is God. And God SEEES EVERYTHING AND KNOWS EVERYTHING. And those who sin, he will punish hell with eternal torment. And they will suffer there forever. He will take the righteous to heaven - so that they forever be blissful.
    God is eternal. God was, is and will be. God-knows everything, sees everything. From God, you can’t hide any sin. From God, you can’t be bought off, you can’t kill God, you can’t be deceived, so God IS ETERNAL AND KNOWS EVERYTHING. Do not write your stupid things, that religion is business. From God's judgment, from God, DO NOT RETURN ANYTHING. God is absolute. That is, neither rulers, nor kings, nor presidents, nor rich, nor smart, those in power, nor priests -Therefore, in general, NO ONE WILL PAY OFF GOD AND DO NOT HIDE HIS SINS FROM HIM AND DO NOT DESTROY HIM, because God is eternal, knows everything, is immortal.

    INEVITABILITY AND FEAR OF PUNISHMENT-ETERNAL TORTURES IN ADU-BRAKES THE DEEPENGENITY AND ACCOMPLISHMENT OF PEOPLE.

    And your empty nods and all that-zero. You-do not own the question.
    That is, rulers, kings, presidents, rich, smart, vlas
    the propertied, priests, the powerful of this world, ALL OF THEM SHOULD LIVE according to the commandments and laws of God. THEY ALL WILL APPEAR BEFORE GOD'S COURT, WHICH WOULD THEY BE STRONG AND POWERFUL IN THIS WORLD. EVERYTHING IS WAITING FOR THE INERVERABILITY OF PUNISHMENTS — ETERNAL TORTURES IN HELL, OR AN AWARD FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS-PARADISE. Watching how they lived and what they did during life.
    You watch the video, there will be all the answers to your questions.
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  17. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 01: 24 New
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    Quote: Per se.
    Quote: Stas157
    Religion in the world is gradually dying.
    Unfortunately not. Religion has been and will be, religion has exploited and will continue to exploit faith as one of the most pressing needs of mankind. They worshiped the sacred groves and the spirits of the forest, the river, under the guidance of the priests and shamans. There was a further development of civilization, it was called paganism, they began to pray to various gods in special temples, again with a caste of priests. Times have changed again, and it became paganism, a novelty appeared in religion, to the world of shadows, the kingdom of Hades, the antipode was added, - eternal bliss, Paradise. So from the religion of slaves in ancient Judea, in one of the provinces of ancient Rome, Christianity was born, which came to court in the new course of history. Based on Christianity, the Koran was written under the local color and mentality, Islam was created. Look at how chapels and churches are now breeding in Russia, minarets are stabbed together ... Opium for the people is again in price, the promise now to endure, and then get high in Paradise, is a very profitable and profitable business. Yes, religion will probably have to adapt to progress, and they will adapt, it will be necessary to divide Paradise on Earth and Paradise on Mars, explain what God created the newcomers, and so on, until the very system of exploitation of man, the amoral world of capitalism itself will not be destroyed . Therefore, it is more correct to say "We should not be afraid of strong Islam, but of weak Christianity.", and one should be afraid of obscurantism, return of the Middle Ages in the XXI century, it is necessary to return socialism, improve education and culture, not fruitless pilgrims to produce, on the basis of which they form the same fanatics in ISIS. God is, but the creators of religions are also far from him , as the current fattening priests from the precepts of Christ. God is in every person, and not religion is a synonym for faith.

    Religion rests on the inevitability of punishment for sins (for crimes, if you want).
    INEVITABILITY AND FEAR OF PUNISHMENT-ETERNAL TORTURES IN HELL-BRAKES THE LAVALITY AND ACCOMMODATION OF PEOPLE. AND WILL PUT THEIR GOD, SO HOW GOD CAN'T BE KILLED, DESTROYED, GOD CAN'T BE HELPED. MOST POWERFUL GOD TO CONQUER GOD THAT GOD DOES NOT PUNISH FOR SINS (FOR CRIMES) And the police, army, anti-terror special forces can be destroyed, killed, they can be hidden from crimes, paid off. And from God, NO. God cannot be destroyed kill. God cannot be deceived. No matter how strong and kkim We were not possessed by sinners (criminals) -God is stronger than them and will certainly punish them, because-God is ETERNAL, IMMORTAL, EVERYTHING CRESTS - FROM God-nothing can be hidden, nothing can be hidden, nothing can be bought off from God, because God- ALMIGHTY AND MAYBE ALLOW ALLOW ALL THAT SOMETHING GOD PLEASANT. And all the priests, priests, must also live according to the commandments and laws of God. ALL. Kings, rulers, presidents, THE MOST POWERFUL AND POWERFUL AND HAVING A STRONG AND HUGE POWER — SHOULD LIVE BY THE COMMANDMENTS AND LAWS OF GOD AND DO NOT SIN (DO NOT MAKE CRIMES, IF UNDERSTAND THAT)

    Religion rests on the fact that there is a force called God. And this force cannot be killed, it cannot be deceived, it cannot be bought off from this force, that is, God is ETERNAL, KNOWS EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING CAN. And for bad deeds, he will punish hell he will send. For righteousness, he will reward him, he will take him to heaven.
    What will thugs, bandits, killers, thieves, maniacs, thugs
    when they are sure that they will not be punished ???? You say it can be killed. Yes, some scumbags get to such a state that they are not afraid of death. You say there are police, army, anti-terror special forces. But they (all these power structures that I have perceived, for example) can be killed, deceived, hidden one cannot hide his crimes from them, but from God, hide nothing, God cannot be deceived, God cannot be killed. AND God will reward according to his deserts. Either he will send you to hell for your sins (and imagine the imagination of a scumbag or a maniac or a murderer, what will they do to him in hell ????? - right-TORTURE IS A terrible, strong, nightmare and cruel forever, in E F N O), or to paradise for righteousness. For your affairs in life.
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  19. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 01: 47 New
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    Quote: Per se.
    Opium for the people is again in price, the promise to endure now, and then to bliss out on Paradise, is a very profitable and profitable business.

    You don’t own the question. Religion doesn’t say to endure now and then get high in paradise. Religion says and instructs not to sin (if it is more understandable, do not commit crimes). And do not tolerate, but it’s good, in accordance with the commandments and laws of God, to live here and now. And to endure is to fight one’s sins. Those thoughts and actions of their sinful (criminal, which ultimately lead to bad consequences, as one person, and the entire human civilization, if all people sin).
  20. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 01: 53 New
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    Quote: Per se.
    We must be afraid of obscurantism, the return of the Middle Ages in the XNUMXst century, we must return socialism, improve education and culture, and not produce thoughtless pilgrims, on the basis of which the same fanatics are formed in ISIS. There is a God, but the creators of religions are as far from him as the present, obese priests are from the covenants of Christ. God is in every person, and religion is not synonymous with faith.

    You know, Hitler had no religion. Hitler had an Aryan race and super-Aryans. What did Hitler do ??? The United States does not have religion, but there is bloody and smelly democracy, on corpses and on blood.
    ISIS is not a religion, it is medieval obscurantism.
    Don’t worry. Priests that are fat and far from the religion and covenants of Christ will also be punished by God.
    There is one true Christian Orthodox faith.
  21. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 4 November 2017 02: 08 New
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    Quote: turbris
    just bowing down - breaking your forehead is pointless. Quite right - faith without works is dead. But a truly believing person does good deeds not because it should be so. He commits them, because for him it is natural.

    You see, God is such a force that you don’t deceive God. God knows how you pray and what you do and what you think. And if you come, pray, bow, only with the thought that you prayed, and you can sin , like asking for forgiveness from God, then you are mistaken. God will punish you for this. You are trying to deceive God.
    Do not know the essence of remorse.
    It’s just that bowing down - breaking your forehead is pointless. Quite right - faith without works is dead. But a truly believing person does good deeds not because it should be so. He commits them, because for him it is natural.
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      turbris 4 November 2017 12: 35 New
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      The most important thing is not to deny anything! We do not have the right to do so, for someone there is a god, someone doubts this - this is normal. One must equally respect both believers and atheists, the statement that an atheist is a person without faith is not correct. Of course, it is difficult for a person without faith to exist; an atheist believes in himself, in humanity, in goodness, in happiness, and he cannot be blamed for this. There are people who believe, but there are fanatics, most of the religions of fanatics condemn, but they themselves produce them, fanatics are a derivative of religions, it’s very easy to control these people under the banner of religion, it is these people who are terrorists.
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    turbris 4 November 2017 12: 40 New
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    Quote: Knizhnik
    atheism is also a belief - in the forces of nature and people

    Here I completely agree with you.
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  24. Loginoff
    Loginoff 5 November 2017 17: 31 New
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    Quote: dsk

    What Christianity began with - Jesus Christ and the twelve semi-literate fishermen storming the Apostles. No security, no money. Early Christianity, the first 300 years, crucified on crosses, burned alive, poisoned by animals ...

    Read the actual material about the Inquisition. 10-12 million in geyrop only.
    Artificial planting of religion is not an option, but obscurantism.
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    As Al Nevzorov put it on this occasion, this is an attempt to exchange the plague for cholera
    What century is it now in the yard, gentlemen, sir ?!
  26. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 8 November 2017 00: 03 New
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    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    And those who do not follow, if religiously explain to you, cannot control their sin. Turn your sins, the temptations of the devil.

    Well, of course, you can repent ....
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    YOU VIDEO WATCHED WHAT I GIVED THE LINK TO YOU ????

    If I wanted to watch a video, I would go on YouTube. And you explain to me in your own words, and if you can’t, then it’s better not to start a dispute.
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    WHY DO YOU NOT WATCH THE VIDEO THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO YOU, ASKING ANSWERS-WHICH YOU TO CHEAR IN WRITTEN FOR LONG ????

    So you can’t defend your position? Maybe because it is false?

    In my own words, I explained to you, read above or below. Here again I explain to you.
    Religion rests on the inevitability of punishment for sins (for crimes, if you want).
    INEVITABILITY AND FEAR OF PUNISHMENT-ETERNAL TORTURES IN HELL-BRAKES THE LAVALITY AND ACCOMMODATION OF PEOPLE. AND WILL PUT THEIR GOD, SO HOW GOD CAN'T BE KILLED, DESTROYED, GOD CAN'T BE HELPED. MOST POWERFUL GOD TO CONQUER GOD THAT GOD DOES NOT PUNISH FOR SINS (FOR CRIMES) And the police, army, anti-terror special forces can be destroyed, killed, they can be hidden from crimes, paid off. And from God, NO. God cannot be destroyed kill. God cannot be deceived. No matter how strong and kkim We were not possessed by sinners (criminals) -God is stronger than them and will certainly punish them, because-God is ETERNAL, IMMORTAL, EVERYTHING CRESTS - FROM God-nothing can be hidden, nothing can be hidden, nothing can be bought off from God, because God- ALMIGHTY AND MAYBE ALLOW ALLOW ALL THAT SOMETHING GOD PLEASANT. And all the priests, priests, must also live according to the commandments and laws of God. ALL. Kings, rulers, presidents, THE MOST POWERFUL AND POWERFUL AND HAVING A STRONG AND HUGE POWER — SHOULD LIVE BY THE COMMANDMENTS AND LAWS OF GOD AND DO NOT SIN (DO NOT MAKE CRIMES, IF UNDERSTAND THAT)
    Religion rests on the fact that there is a force called God. And this force cannot be killed, it cannot be deceived, it cannot be bought off from this force, that is, God is ETERNAL, KNOWS EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING CAN. And for bad deeds, he will punish hell he will send. For righteousness, he will reward him, he will take him to heaven.
    What will thugs, bandits, killers, thieves, maniacs, thugs
    when they are sure that they will not be punished ???? You say it can be killed. Yes, some scumbags get to such a state that they are not afraid of death. You say there are police, army, anti-terror special forces. But they (all these power structures that I have perceived, for example) can be killed, deceived, hidden one cannot hide his crimes from them, but from God, hide nothing, God cannot be deceived, God cannot be killed. And God will reward according to his deserts. Either he will send you to hell for your sins (and imagine the imagination of a scumbag or a maniac or a murderer, what will he do with him in hell ????? - right-TORTURE is A terrible, strong, nightmare and cruel forever, In E Ch N O), or to paradise for righteousness. For your affairs in life.
  27. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 8 November 2017 00: 05 New
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    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    Or maybe they were sold as tight as you?

    No insults in any way?
    Does it hurt my eyes?
    Why are you so excited?
    Love thy neighbour?

    Yes, the truth hurts you.
  28. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 8 November 2017 00: 17 New
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    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    For all the time of its existence, people, humanity, have not invented anything better than the Bible.

    Wheel? Fire? The Internet? Prove to the Chinese that the Bible is our EVERYTHING, or Muslim!

    What wheel, fire, internet ??? Listen, are you tight ???? I explained to you that humanity has not invented anything better than the Bible, that is, the rules and laws of God, for people following which they can live well between themselves. Without killing, war, aggression and bloodshed and fratricide.
    When will you realize that neither the wheel, nor fire, nor the Internet will do this.
    Religion is Christian Orthodoxy, the Bible is the commandments and laws of God, God is a set of rules, following which people can live well among themselves. All that remains is to overcome old age and death. And other technological or catastrophes. But between themselves people will live well.
    I say that nothing better has been invented. Because neither the wheel, nor fire, nor the Internet gives and does not ensure that people do not kill one and do not destroy.
    These commandments and laws of God are a universal remedy for all ills and human evil. You see, people didn’t invent a magic pill, or a magic wand or an aladdin’s lamp, or a seven-flower, to make a wish, that people would suddenly become expensive and start loving each other. friend and did not kill each other, did not fight and did not quarrel.Your wheel, fire, the Internet does not solve the problems of hostility and murder between people.This is solved by the Bible — the commandments and laws of God — the learned behavior of people and the problems of solving them — what you don’t need to do and what kind of people, how people need to live and behave and think correctly — so as not to slide into an animal state and not kill themselves; religion is Christian Orthodoxy and God.
  29. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 8 November 2017 00: 21 New
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    Quote: Setrac
    No insults in any way?
    Does it hurt my eyes?
    Why are you so excited?
    Love thy neighbour?

    Well, yes, the truth hurts you.
    I care about your lost soul, my son.
    Well, that’s how I love my neighbor. And I love you, I'm trying to convey the truth to you.
  30. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 8 November 2017 00: 32 New
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    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    Generally not pathos. Russia Russian Orthodox Christian was, is and will be. It is.

    Only three hundred years of the Christian yoke, which is fortunately finished. It is significant that the church took the same tithe as the mythical Tatar-Mongols.

    What nonsense you wrote. Russia-Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox Christians.
    Those who took some tithe there while being covered in religion did wrong, for which God will punish them.
    There was no Christian yoke.
    I told you once again, if no one will punish you for sins, for crimes, there is no God, then who will be scared of thugs, bandits, thieves, uiytsy, maniacs and rapists, but all sorts of thugs ?????
    The police, the FSB, anti-terror special squads, the army can be destroyed, killed, they can be tricked, you can hide your crimes from them, run away from them, hide, pay off.
    But God is a power that cannot be killed — God is immortal. God — never dies — because he is eternal. God — cannot be deceived — God knows everything and sees everything, even what you think. From God, you cannot hide — God is everywhere .From God-you can’t pay off-God himself can do everything for himself-God is omnipotent.
    You see, God, religion — Christian Orthodoxy and the Bible — the commandments and laws of God — a set of rules for people — how to live — so that troubles do not plague man and the whole of human civilization — that’s the best.
    Take away God - and all these scumbags-will begin to kill, cut, steal, maim, and so on. Because because of this, no one will punish them.
    Faith, God is the power that will reward according to earthly deeds. He will punish for the bad, and reward for the good.
  31. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 8 November 2017 00: 38 New
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    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    So I tell you, humanity has not invented anything better than the Bible.

    Why is the Bible better than the Qur'an or Talmud? But nothing!
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    people haven’t come up with anything better than following the rules that preach good and fight evil.

    What does the Bible have to do with it? Do you think that only Christians are kind?
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    If people live and fulfill it, there will be no evil between people in the world.

    Uncle chewed what would happen if he somehow circumvented the question of how to achieve this? Is your uncle just a demagogue?

    Uncle, I didn’t get around the question of how to achieve this. To achieve this, I already wrote to you repeatedly and uncle chewed you, you need to believe in God and fulfill the commandments and laws of God. A set of rules for people, following which people control their behavior and live well . Afraid of bad deeds, punishments from God.

    Why is the Bible better than the Qur'an or Talmud? But nothing!

    Listen, uncle-uncle talks about it there. Uncle explains why Orthodox Christianity is better than Islam or the Talmud. The Bible is Christian Orthodoxy, the Koran is Islam, the Talmud is something else.
  32. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 8 November 2017 00: 51 New
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    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    So I tell you, humanity has not invented anything better than the Bible.

    Why is the Bible better than the Qur'an or Talmud? But nothing!
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    people haven’t come up with anything better than following the rules that preach good and fight evil.

    What does the Bible have to do with it? Do you think that only Christians are kind?
    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    If people live and fulfill it, there will be no evil between people in the world.

    Uncle chewed what would happen if he somehow circumvented the question of how to achieve this? Is your uncle just a demagogue?

    What does the Bible have to do with it? Do you think that only Christians are kind?

    And despite the fact that the Bible is a Christian Orthodox religion. And in religion there is such a force — whether you want it or not — it will punish you for bad deeds. This force is called God. Good not only Christians. But those good who are not afraid for example, they know that nobody will punish them with the police, the army, the FSB, anti-terror special forces, for example, they will kill, destroy, deceive, hide their crimes from them, run away from them, hide, pay off.
    But nothing can be done from God.
    God cannot be killed because God is immortal. God will never die, because God is eternal. God cannot be deceived, because God knows everything, even what you think.EVERYTHING. From God, you cannot run away or hide. Because God is omnipresent. From God, you cannot be bought off, God can do EVERYTHING that He wills himself. God is omnipotent.
    You see, it makes a person, people, society, civilization not to sin (or if it will be more understandable, not to commit crimes), the inevitability of punishment,fear, the inevitability of punishment.A God is that force — which, by any person or people — will punish for sins (for crimes) .A Bible is a holy book, sent by God himself to people, how to live and what to do so that there are no wars, murders between people and all other evil. That is, the commandments and laws of God, that is, the set of rules, following which people can very well live among themselves. And for not observing the commandments and laws of God, God will punish.
    And here is the Bible.
    Whatever a person is smart and kind, but when a person, people understand that no one will punish them for their bad deeds, people have a great temptation to do these bad deeds. And they start to do them. Why ??? Yes, because no one will punish them.
    That is the essence of religion and why religion and God.
    1. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 8 November 2017 00: 58 New
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      Even if you think logically, take commandments
      -Don't kill.
      -Don't steal it.
      Even if you think logically, observing them, people will live well among themselves. Even if there is no punishment. That is, there will be no God.
      But there are always scum who want to kill or steal. That's the world. And what will they do when they know that no one will punish them ???? That is, when there will be no God, they will not believe in God ??? - It’s right to kill and steal. Just because they will know, nobody will punish them for that. And the police, army, FSB, anti-terrorist special forces and so on further they will kill, destroy, deceive, hide their crimes from them, run away from them, hide, pay off.
      But nothing can be done from God.
      God cannot be killed because God is immortal. God will never die because God is eternal. God cannot be deceived because God knows everything, even what you think. EVERYTHING. God cannot be run away. or hide. Because God is omnipresent. God cannot be paid off, God can do EVERYTHING that He wills himself. God is omnipotent.
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