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The war will start 07.11.17

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A public discussion of an unplanned visit by Kurt Walker of Kiev to 27.10.17, the US special envoy to Ukraine, does not answer one question: what caused it? The answer, in fact, is the only one: it was an urgent matter. And what is that urgent was in this visit? Volker came to understand what is happening in Kiev at the Rada? In place, so to speak, since the US Embassy in Kiev and the two floors of the CIA in the Security Service of Ukraine are not in place? But for some reason, Volker came ...


The war will start 07.11.17


We note that Kurt Volker made a visit to Kiev almost immediately after Vladimir Putin’s speech in Sochi at the Valdai Club, where he made, one might say, a programmatic statement on Ukraine and Donbass. Putin said that “Russia needs a friendly Ukraine,” and Russia will not allow the introduction of Nazi formations in the Donbass, the massacre in the Donbas; responsibility for what is happening lies with Europe: “The current situation is the result of an unconstitutional armed seizure of power in Ukraine, and Europe is to blame for this, because it supported this terror.” That is, Putin indirectly called the Kiev authorities terrorist. And did not even mention the United States. These Putin's theses are unacceptable for the Bandera power, and, probably, frightened someone in Kiev.

Volker makes statements opposite to Putin in Kiev, on all counts. He states that “Ukraine has become more united, more nationalistic, more anti-Russian, more West-oriented than ever,” and blames Russia for it, which “committed aggression and occupies the Donbass”, but the peacekeeping operation should restore integrity this nationalist Ukraine, that is, should give Donbass to the mercy of the Bandera Nazis. Volker fully supported the “war party” in the Verkhovna Rada. "There were no recommendations from Kurt Volcker, he understands the logic of the actions of Ukrainian parliamentarians," said Anna Gopko, chair of the foreign affairs committee.

It turns out, Volker urgently flew to Kiev to make anti-Putin and anti-Russian attacks, in fact. Our political elite took it this way: Kosachev and Pushkov called the Volcker a specialist in disrupting the Minsk agreements, which were based on Putin’s developments. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called Volker’s Kiev statements a plan to “occupy the Donbass.”

These facts say that the Volker-Surkov summit ended in complete failure, its continuation and the very necessity is a big question. In fact, Volker pursues the policy of his former patron John McCain on “global containment of Russia” by inciting war in the Donbas: this “peacemaker” does not tire of repeating the need for supplies weapons to Ukraine, in parallel with the demagogy of the peacekeeping mission in the Donbas, and in spite of Putin? - does not mention at all about the role of Europe in this mission.

In this light, Volcker’s statements on the UN Security Council resolution on the peacekeeping mission in Donbass before the New Year are just a matter of fact, only a date can make sense here: For some reason, the Walker in the company with McCain needs a war in the Donbass before the New Year. To strike at the upcoming presidential elections in Russia?

After all, speaking of the supply of weapons to Ukraine, Volker is not at all bluffing: a package of documents has already been prepared in Washington for the supply of weapons to the Bandera regime, it remains to receive the signature of President Donald Trump. For the president to sign it, McCain and Walker need an appropriate preposition, which could be the resumption of the war in the Donbas.

If right now, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will exacerbate the situation in the Donbas, and this can only be done by some serious offensive operation, McCain with Congress will be able to pressure Trump, and he will sign a package of documents on the supply of weapons, "in view of the renewed Moscow aggression." World fake media will prove it with their lies, the anti-Russian campaign in the United States will accept it without proof. Trump will find it difficult not to sign this anti-Russian package of documents, given the pressure he is already under.

Thus, Volker will fulfill McCain’s long-standing desire to supply arms to Ukraine and to resume the war in the Donbas. The question of the timing of the attack on the Donbass reveals the urgency of the Volcker visit to Kiev, didn’t he just come to Putin for a public answer?

It can be assumed that Volker put Poroshenko in a simple dilemma: either he starts the war in the Donbass and gets a "defensive weapon", or his agent Saakashvili will start a long-announced operation to "carry out the goat." Saakashvili, synchronously with the visit of Volcker, declared on his Independence: “On November 7 I give the last time to them (the authorities - VK) to accept our demands. We can't stand here forever. ” (November 7 is the first session day of the Verkhovna Rada.) Sivy’s “Right Sector” action was more specific: “We are launching the ATO against Poroshenko and all non-Ukrainian authorities. Everything will be burned or blocked. ”

Here, Bandera political scientists and their friends are amicably talking about the absurdity of this Maidan in 200 militants. However, the Supreme Commander Poroshenko has not been able to do anything with him for two weeks. Because it is not Maidan at all, but rather a special operation, in the opinion of Mikhail Pogrebinsky, who is covered by Volker himself and the American embassy, ​​which is assisted by Nazi Minister Arsen Avakov. This is an action to intimidate Poroshenko and all of his “non-Ukrainian government,” they are already declared enemies of the people! However, Arsen Avakov declares Mikhomaydan "rubbish" and, under this pretext, removes him from the police cordon! In general, with this he gives Sivy a way to bring weapons directly to the Verkhovna Rada, along with reinforcements of the militants ...

Maidan Saakashvili is only the visible part of the special operation against Poroshenko, and the fact that he cannot do anything with a handful of militants speaks about the possibilities of the putschists behind them. Only the chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Nazi-militants of Azov, Arsen Avakov, can accomplish a coup and retain power in Ukraine. By coincidence, he leads Saakashvili from the border itself, led him under the Verkhovna Rada together with the Donbass battalion, and now he removed the police cordon.

The closest associate of Avakov, the pastor of the National Security and Defense Council Turchinov in the Rada called Poroshenko to issue a decree on the introduction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the Donbass. Behind them stand and Tymoshenko, and Garden, and Nalyvaychenko, and Nay with Lutsenko, and the oligarch Kolomoisky - all of them, one way or another, lit up next to Saakashvili, and retreated into the shadows. Give the opportunity to Poroshenko to make the right decision. Actually, this is the top of the new coup, ready to break off the leash on the orders of Kurt Volcker. These people can take and hold power, and express claims to legitimacy, and start a war in the Donbas. Pastor Turchinov simply asks again for the role of acting president of Ukraine.

In fact, the start date of the coup has already been set, it was announced by Saakashvili - on November 7, or Poroshenko will start a war in Donbas on November 7. Then Saakashvili Maidan under the Rada and the putsch itself lose their relevance for a while. In any case, for Poroshenko, this is a war: either in the Donbass or in Kiev, and not a mythical peacekeeping operation. As they say, do not believe the Volcker, about the world of speaking.

The OSCE SMM, represented by Alexander Hug, said the other day that “escalation in the Donbas is inevitable”. However, will it result in an offensive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Chief of the General Staff Viktor Muzhenko frightens the public with big losses, right up to his resignation. Pastor Turchinov prudently offered to remove Muzhenko from his post for the bombings of military depots in Kalinovka. So the behavior of the APU is difficult to predict, as the response of the Armed Forces of New Russia.

We can definitely say that Poroshenko was put before an ultimatum: “You can not pardon the goat,” and so far they offer to put a comma in it, until November 7.
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  1. shinobi
    shinobi 1 November 2017 06: 40
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    Everything is logical. In the east, the stripes have seams and they will create conditions for bargaining at all costs. Once again, we have elections in March. They just get the impression that they don’t understand the situation at all. They live by their reality. The VSU is not in that position for a full attack and the forces of the national battalions will obviously be small. Yes, and no one is fighting in the winter with us.
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 1 November 2017 08: 56
      30
      APU is not in that position for a full-fledged attack, and there will be clearly not enough forces of the national battalions

      the owners do not care how many servants are bent when implementing landlord plans !!!!! in that form or not in that is not important !!! as they will order from Washington, this whole ukrovermaht will be sent to the militia bullets for the media picture “Russian aggression” ... it’s not the result of the attack, but the dividends received by the amers ... and the more the ringing, the greater the percentage they receive ...
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 1 November 2017 16: 02
        +5
        Quote: shinobi
        The only impression is that they don’t understand the situation at all .... And no one is fighting in the winter with us.

        Hitler and Napoleon fought, ghouls damned. True fuck their soldiers froze. But Ukrainians are Europe. It’s time to freeze the campfire
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 1 November 2017 09: 50
      +5
      The question is not about bargaining. This is all means. Including the war ..
      The issue of continuous chaos at the junction of the EU and the Russian Federation. To destabilize its ally and "friend" - the European Union and Russia. And violations of the ties that are being struck in the triangle -ES_RF_KNR. On a large scale, the game is against China .. including through the threat of the DPRK and its nuclear program ...
      On October 30 - 31, NATO’s General Secretary visited Japan and spoke a lot about North Korea. as a threat to NATO as the club of the USA in the world has long gone beyond its territorial framework
      3110 17 g. Stolterberg in Tokyo, at a meeting with Prime Minister Abe, calls NATO and Japan “NATO and Japan“ natural partners ”, - NATO and Japan“ natural partners ”. Does this remind of Japan from the 20th century?
    3. SMP
      SMP 1 November 2017 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      And no one fights in the winter with us.


      How are they fighting, but when did he start Yeltsin in Chechnya? In summer?

      The bottom line is that only those who have aviation fight in the winter, that is, in Ukraine a miserable semblance but still something that barely barely flies, in the LPR and the DPR, there is no aviation.
      In the summer, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not an option at all, but in the winter they plan something.
      Maybe they are trying to provoke Russia to use aviation? Air cover in the DNI and LC.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 1 November 2017 12: 32
        +9
        In the LC, there is aviation))) Aircraft and drones.
        And the air defense system is also available.
        1. by conscience
          by conscience 1 November 2017 16: 55
          +1
          Yes, and PTRS has not yet been canceled ... even 1942 onwards
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        2. SMP
          SMP 2 November 2017 11: 25
          0
          This is good, we need to buy more good
    4. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 1 November 2017 13: 17
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      .... APU is not in that position for a full-fledged attack, and there will be clearly not enough forces of the national battalions. And no one fights in the winter with us.

      Something I don’t remember the peaceful autumn-winter periods ... The battle of Moscow, the siege of Leningrad, Stalingrad ... And the Red Army began the battle for Budapest on October 29 and ended in February.
      So to fight in the winter is normal and habitual.
    5. Silver fox_2
      Silver fox_2 1 November 2017 14: 04
      0
      APU is not able to fight in winter) it’s not only in the cold) a short day in the winter))) they won’t even have time to dig in)) they’ll shoot in the field at night)))
      1. Whaler
        Whaler 1 November 2017 16: 17
        +2
        There are those fields)) you leave from one village - you enter another
        1. Silver fox_2
          Silver fox_2 1 November 2017 16: 51
          +2
          Quote: Whaler
          There are those fields)) you leave from one village - you enter another

          with a large-scale offensive, all villages in the field turn))) the city with a population of one million in front)) is a utopia for the APU to send people to death)
    6. askme
      askme 1 November 2017 18: 52
      11
      Yankees are bluffing. APU is not able to attack LDN now. Just in their moral condition. They are demoralized. Demoralized primarily by disbelief Poroshenko. There is no person in Ukraine who could inspire the APU on the offensive. And to drive the APU into battle as abutting rams is a sure defeat. The LDNR corps will successfully repel such a sluggish offensive by the Armed Forces. I am sure there are Cornets and Zoos, and so on. the most modern defensive weapons were brought in by the "north wind". APU tanks will burn like candles, and APU artillery batteries will be detected and LDNR will be instantly hit. And this will be a disaster for Poroshenko. Therefore, he does not crawl now with the “sweeping” of Donbass. In general, the conflict finally passed into the virtual plane of the hybrid war. The Yankees are struggling to provoke the onset of LDNR. But now you can’t raise anything to slaughter the APU ... The task of LDNR-Russia is not to allow the adversaries to provoke themselves into a large-scale offensive. It is not yet profitable for Russia. So far, Russia has been in this direction in geopolitical defense. Deaf. But not at all costs ... They will hold on to the last, but if the situation nevertheless ripens, the offensive of LDNR-Russia will be total with a complete sweep of Bendery according to the tonsils ...

      No war in the near future - WILL NOT)
    7. mad
      mad 1 November 2017 21: 42
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      And no one fights in the winter with us.

      But what about the Debaltsevsky boiler ?? Winter 2015 ...
  2. moskowit
    moskowit 1 November 2017 06: 50
    +8
    In fact, the start date of the coup has already been set, it was announced by Saakashvili - on November 7, or Poroshenko will start a war in Donbas on November 7. Then Saakashvili Maidan under the Rada and the putsch itself lose their relevance for a while. In any case, for Poroshenko, this is a war: either in the Donbass or in Kiev, and not a mythical peacekeeping operation. As they say, do not believe the Volcker, about the world of speaking.

    A terrible prediction! God grant that would not come true .....
    1. raw174
      raw174 1 November 2017 09: 15
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      Quote: moskowit
      A terrible prediction!

      This is not a prediction, but rather a logical calculation, we have already discussed similar in the topic: "The point of no return has been passed. The Moscow peace initiative in the Donbass has been thrown" into the furnace ": carte blanche for Kiev is ready for activation."
      My post:
      "Think about the parties:
      1. Ukraine - profitable, because not really inside, and Saakashvilli is about to break into Kiev! It is necessary to aggravate the war in order to send all the national battalions and the other riffraff there, to divert attention. Well, to raise patriotism! And there where the curve will lead!
      2. USA - profitable, because destabilization at the borders of Russia is good for them, another reason to spur Russophobia in Europe, to draw Russia into an expensive company to force Ukraine into peace. Their envoys to the Russian Federation (bulk-like) will also be happy with such a turn.
      3. Europe - profitable, because it’s profitable for the USA, that’s it ...
      4. Russia is not profitable at all, because it’s not clear how to act, whether to deploy troops or not, but I think we’ll introduce them. In any case, it plays against us ...
      5. LDNR - obviously they don’t need a war, they would have to prepare for the heating season ...
      I appoint a batch at the end of the current - beginning of next year, in connection with the presidential election, including to split society within the Russian Federation and undermine the Kremlin.  "
      Apparently this will happen.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 1 November 2017 10: 04
        +9
        Quote: raw174
        I appoint a batch at the end of the current - beginning of next year, in connection with the presidential election, including to split society within the Russian Federation and undermine the Kremlin.  "

        if before the election, then "grandma said for two", if the Russian Federation is dragged into "peace enforcement", then the country can introduce a state of emergency, which means no elections, rallies and other shaky uniforms, well, and toughening the responsibility for breaking laws ...
        1. raw174
          raw174 1 November 2017 10: 10
          +6
          Quote: PSih2097
          if the Russian Federation is dragged into the "enforcement of peace", then the country may introduce a state of emergency

          I think that they will not introduce a regime, this is not justified, because we will focus on a targeted operation, and not on a full-scale war. The announcement of an emergency regime of an all-Russian scale will gobble up our budget in a very short time, reorganization on a military track will not support the people, because no one will attack the Russian Federation. The gigantic waste of an emergency without a full-scale war is an impermissible luxury that will destroy the economy.
          PS I work in the GOES system, I personally prepared documents on the introduction of an emergency at the inter-municipal level (natural), take my word for it, it is VERY expensive.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 1 November 2017 14: 40
            +3
            That’s why I don’t like Muchachos (you like to go there - where they don’t ask you), although you got out of the Civil Defense and Emergencies Ministry.
            Emergency (Emergency) and emergency (Emergency) are two different things, emergency is a tech-gen, emergency is essentially a war ... Read -
            http://determiner.ru/termin/chrezvychainaja-situa
            cija-chrezvychainoe-obstojatelstvo-chrezvychainoe
            -polozhenie.html
            1. raw174
              raw174 1 November 2017 15: 02
              +6
              Quote: PSih2097
              That’s why I don’t like Muchachos (you like to climb there - where they don’t ask you)

              You see, I don’t have any relationship with the Ministry of Emergencies, we intersect in the same way as with the FSB and the military registration and enlistment office, we are working with the Ministry of Emergencies and the ATC.
              Quote: PSih2097
              even though you got out of the Civil Defense and Emergencies Ministry.

              We did not get out, we work quietly and calmly ...
              Quote: PSih2097
              Emergencies (emergency) and emergency (emergency) are two different things

              The definitions are different, but not the costs ... Both of these provisions trigger a huge flywheel of a bureaucratic machine, which will turn into a breakthrough for the budget and without a REAL big war the government will not do it!
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 1 November 2017 15: 15
                +1
                Quote: raw174
                a breakthrough for the budget and without a REAL big war

                I repeat once again, or a sweep of the whole of Ukraine - or the second Caucasus a la 90s, and there will soon be a war for anyone, no matter who first smells, the planet is approaching the limit of population feeding and this is not REN TV ...
                1. raw174
                  raw174 2 November 2017 06: 43
                  +3
                  Quote: PSih2097
                  I repeat once again, or a sweep full of all of Ukraine - or the second Caucasus a la 90s

                  A complete sweep - we will actually align ourselves with the United States, become aggressors, because this is THEIR state ... LDNR - yes, we must support it, but we need a republic there, following the example of Ossetia, if only we recognize it ...
                  Regarding the Caucasus, that situation dragged on and Russia got stuck in it because of betrayal of the command, right up to the Kremlin ... From our first fighters, officers (tankers), who were the first to enter Grozny, before the first war, everyone officially declined, even Minister of Defense, who on TV said that the Russian Armed Forces did not send people to Grozny ... I understand when they disown scouts, specialists in a foreign country, when they do not recognize their agents, but the combat units of the armed forces, and on their territory, are a betrayal ! And in LDNR, if you admit them, a war with another state, a different story ...
                  1. Lycan
                    Lycan 3 November 2017 09: 33
                    0
                    Quote: raw174
                    A complete sweep - we will actually align with the United States, become aggressors, because this is THEIR state ...

                    No, no one will do complete - it seems to us, above, they have a mind. In Syria, they work quite neatly.
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 3 November 2017 09: 41
                      +4
                      Quote: Lycan
                      In Syria, they work quite neatly.

                      In Syria, we are invited by the government, and in Ukraine there will be aggression against sovereigns.
                      1. Lycan
                        Lycan 3 November 2017 12: 41
                        +1
                        Okay. There is no need to cross the border before the first attack (on their part). It will be like in June 1941. However, no one will be able to supply Ukraine with resources enough to arm and ideologize to the Wehrmacht. Gas since 2019 - bypassing, coal - shtatovskiy and expensive, metallurgy stalls not weak, "being in the power of oligarchic groups." Leadership is generally not organized, and ineffective. Perhaps the “wait until it falls apart” effect will work here (of course, supporting L / DPR). And then - “1917” on uncontrolled territory, “leader”, cleansing the ranks of the “Poroshenko Guards”, re-industrialization, perhaps commonwealth with the Russian Federation, .. well, no, but growth.
          2. Whaler
            Whaler 1 November 2017 16: 34
            +3
            Will be introduced and quite reasonably .... do you know how many hohlobayterov in Russia at the moment? All of them will need to be controlled, and possibly interned ... then the threat of terrorist attacks will increase sharply, with massive .... how many of those Gaster, sabotage drove in, God only knows .... and it’s time to press the local shushar to the nail ...
            1. raw174
              raw174 2 November 2017 07: 00
              +3
              Quote: Whaler
              They will introduce it and quite justifiably .... you know how many hohlobayterov in Russia at the moment

              You see, tracking the enemy within the country is the business of the special services, they always do this, continuously. What is the introduction of emergency situations and emergency situations throughout the country? This is a transfer to the barracks position of most, if not the entire Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other security forces - this is a huge expenditure of departments, military registration and enlistment offices will go into mobilization work, i.e. will transport freight for transportation of mobilized people (even without a real mobilization, the transport should be ready), and how much does it cost to stop an intercity bus on ATP? Contracts are concluded with private traders as well for the evacuation of the population, they will roll out exorbitant bills! Again, curfew and other delights of the provisions will shake the business (clubs, cafes and other fun, and this is taxes and huge amounts of money), again, it will be necessary to freeze all social services. projects, because the transfer of the economy to a military track may require large investments in the defense industry. These are direct losses, and there will be indirect ones, because on the ground they will take advantage and raiding will begin, on the pretext of everything, enterprises and business will be squeezed out for victory ...
              The regime will be introduced only when tanks, aircraft and enemy regiments cross the border of the Russian Federation, when war is declared to us! or we will attack the camp, the war with which will require major mobilization ...
      2. AUL
        AUL 1 November 2017 10: 56
        +4
        Putin said that ... Russia will not allow the entry of Nazi formations in the Donbass, massacres in the Donbass
        Such a statement by the head of state is actually an ultimatum. Therefore, I think the United States will do everything so that the National Battles invade the DPR / LPR. Putin will not be able to turn on the return - he will completely lose face. And two wars at the same time we will not pull. What will happen in such a situation? Local sofa stuffs will have to take virtual machines into their hands.
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 1 November 2017 12: 30
          +5
          Quote: AUL
          ... completely lose face

          and he once lost it?
          Quote: AUL
          Local sofa stuffs will have to take virtual machines into their hands.

          and you are not local or not a moron and therefore you won’t take a gun?
          1. AUL
            AUL 1 November 2017 14: 28
            +2
            and you are not local or not a moron and therefore you won’t take a gun?
            How does this follow from my words? Yes, I’m “local” at VO, but to go about it for any reason and without it is without me. I’ll take it if they give it (I served an urgent one in 71 after graduation, can you count the age?) I hope you satisfied your curiosity.
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 1 November 2017 16: 18
              +2
              This was not curiosity; it was a surprise at your comment. You a priori all those who disagree with you are credited to the rank of cowardly graphomaniac from the keyboard. For your age is not solid.
              1. AUL
                AUL 1 November 2017 17: 03
                +4
                You a priori all those who disagree with you are credited to the rank of cowardly graphomaniac from the keyboard.
                Well, about those who disagree with me - somewhat wrong. There are many visitors on the site whose opinions I do not share, but respect. Since they substantiate their opinion, not ready-made slogans shout. And if they give reasonably convincing arguments, I can agree with their opinion. I do not belong to those who consider themselves the only right always and in everything.
                But you must admit that now in the comments a lot of entities have spawned that wave their sabers for any reason - to tear all, bomb, send troops, drop the vigorous baton, unmask all with one left, and so on. Do you think this is deliberate, balanced reasoning? This buzzes shkolota in the pursuit of likes or "specially trained people" from the newly created information troops. Many of the latter were launched at VO on the eve of the elections, and they are very easily determined by their zeal - they received the “fass!” Command and tear the pants disagree with the general line, not paying attention to any arguments (should I name nicknames?).
                And it is unlikely that you will argue that there are enough amateurs to fight with the keyboard on the couch. The one who fought, the one who is really ready, if necessary, to fight and understands what war is - will not shout slogans!
                I think I explained my position quite clearly.
                1. Colonel
                  Colonel 1 November 2017 21: 11
                  +1
                  I agree, there are a lot of talkers, but the main idea is not worth chattering. Anything can be said, but it will end with someone having to take the barrel and go to die, regardless of what they dreamed about watching the next anime. You, from the height of your age, do not trust us, those who took the oath in 1977? (That's the difference!) By the way, I'm ready to shout some slogans.
                  1. AUL
                    AUL 1 November 2017 22: 49
                    +2
                    Anything can be said, but it will end with someone having to take the barrel and go to die, regardless of what they dreamed about watching the next anime.
                    So I am talking about the same thing! I was trying to convey this very idea - unfortunately, it is a matter of war. It is possible to evaluate the reasons for this situation in different ways, to appoint different culprits of the situation, to make different forecasts for the development of events, but the fact remains that our Motherland will most likely have to fight in the near future. Personally, this does not please me at all. War is death, it is suffering, it is devastation, hunger and cold. And so I am enraged by couch warriors who vigorously cry out “Give the war!”, Apparently hoping that personally the war will not touch THEM, they will slant somehow. Nobody will slope! Well, except for the children of our "elite" who will be dumped in all sorts of Maldives and there will sometimes be without special interest to watch the news. But we are not talking about them; they are unlikely to enter VO.
                    You, from the height of your age, do not trust us, those who took the oath in 1977?
                    A strange conclusion from my words! I did not say anything about those who served and are serving now. They, as a rule, do not seek war (because they know what it is), but they will fight when the time comes. But those who scream the loudest on this topic - the question!
            2. takil
              takil 3 November 2017 08: 35
              +1
              Grandfather, well, bring cartridges there or fill a tape - can you, I hope? Then do not get lost. It’s more reliable with a “veteran” behind your back - than with something like that (God forbid!), A “major” or mobilized, of those in the 90s, when you called, they started to piss / fight, to mow the fool or mothers, with "cutlets" U.E. send to the draft board.
        2. raw174
          raw174 1 November 2017 13: 04
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          Quote: AUL
          Putin will not be able to turn on the return - he will completely lose face.

          Yes, like he didn’t lose him ...
          Quote: AUL
          And two wars at the same time we will not pull.

          If by “we”, you understand the Russian Federation, I think we’ll pull it ... They will leave advisers and part of the MTR, as well as an air wing for permanent residence in the SAR, reduce our direct participation, and stop throwing the Kyrgyz Republic. Defending LDNR by armed means will be cheaper because:
          1. Logistics is simpler, land border, etc.
          2. Our area, climate and landscapes.
          3. The ability to use all kinds of Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as the fleet in full.
          4. In moral terms, it is easier to fight on their own land.
          1. takil
            takil 3 November 2017 09: 37
            0
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: AUL
            Putin will not be able to turn on the return - he will completely lose face.

            Yes, like he didn’t lose him ...
            Quote: AUL
            And two wars at the same time we will not pull.

            If by “we”, you understand the Russian Federation, I think we’ll pull it ... They will leave advisers and part of the MTR, as well as an air wing for permanent residence in the SAR, reduce our direct participation, and stop throwing the Kyrgyz Republic. Defending LDNR by armed means will be cheaper because:
            1. Logistics is simpler, land border, etc.
            2. Our area, climate and landscapes.
            3. The ability to use all kinds of Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as the fleet in full.
            4. In moral terms, it is easier to fight on their own land.

            And, here you, my friend, brought up four incorrect arguments.
            So:
            1. Logistics and all the rest - and for the “probable adversary” (excuse me, but I cannot call the Armed Forces, personnel, enemies, and so that sincerely - I can’t. For personal reasons. At the moment.), So, all by you the above works both in one direction and in the other, i.e. - everything is similar to our conditions.
            2. Read above.
            3. and 4. Here, as it were, inseparable. One of the other follows. I / O in Ukraine - it is deducted immediately, I think no explanation is needed. The BSF of the Navy of the Russian Federation, for many reasons (here there are a lot of contracts, and T, T, X of the ships themselves and their weapons (well, not torpedoes to shoot at Odessa embankment, after all!). Therefore, and not only, the unpleasant looms and unsightly, for many Russians (the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) - we immediately sweep it off, 100% “freeze” from the cards) is a prospect, namely, personal fire contact with the enemy, in local, mainly clashes, and ask yourself a question and answer it Having weighed everything soberly, you will find, in our vast Russia, people who are ready, looking in the eyes, to some kind of eccentric, albeit a complete "ZATSU", from Poltava, from Kiev or from where, Kh.Z., who speaks Russian - without flinching, “stick” him into a lobster from AK. That's the same (Donbass showed such a side of our life). These are not “barmales” in Syria. Yes, and mobilized is not a pro, ready and trained to kill. And that’s the whole thing that is vile vile, which the states “muddied” with the help of venomous reptiles. th part of Russia, called once, by some dodges already - THE WHOLE STATE !!!!!!
            1. raw174
              raw174 3 November 2017 10: 05
              +2
              Quote: takil
              so, all of the above works in one direction and the other, i.e. - everything is similar to our conditions.

              I am in comparison with Syria, where it is costly and inconvenient for us to deliver everything.
              Quote: takil
              2. Read above.

              Again, I compare with Siriyeo, where the barmalei and the Americans are at home, and we are adapting.
              Quote: takil
              Black Sea Fleet Navy of the Russian Federation, for many reasons (here and the mass of contracts, and T, T, X of the ships themselves and their weapons

              I do not mean a full-scale attack on Ukraine, but we are talking about the defense of Donbas. I think the missile crew can support the defenders, being under the cover of their coast, naval aviation again and the ability to support the disassembled units (my native 810 brigade (then was a regiment) near soldier ) ...
              Quote: takil
              Therefore, and not only, an unpleasant and unsightly loom is emerging, for many Russians (the Collective Security Treaty Organization - we sweep it off right away, 100%) is a prospect from the cards.

              I completely agree here, but Donbas is more ours than the others and they should not be handed over.
              Quote: takil
              you will find a lot, in our vast Russia, of people who are ready, looking in the eyes, to some kind of eccentric, albeit a complete "ZATSU", from Poltava, from Kiev or from where, Kh.Z., who speaks Russian - without flinching, "stick" to him in a lobeshnik from AK.

              Currently fighting, in the 14-14 years they rode in thousands, a significant part is not for the ruble, but to support. It will be necessary, people will go.
              A little personal story:
              He was on leave, walked around Sevastopol (then in Ukrainian). A grandmother approaches us (there are three of us), looking about 90 years old, and says: “Are you guys from the Russian fleet or Ukrainian?”, Demonstrating chivrons, we say that the Russian fleet. My grandmother really showed tears, she says: "Guys, we are Russian, soon Bandera from the west will come to cut us, but you and our Russia will not protect us. You don’t leave us, help." The guys and I talked a little more with her, then we discussed in the barracks ...
              You can’t leave your own, Southeast Ukraine - your own.
        3. raw174
          raw174 1 November 2017 13: 05
          +5
          Quote: AUL
          Local sofa stuffs will have to take virtual machines into their hands.

          If necessary, I'll take it and go. I’m not going to hide on the couch, honestly ...
        4. Sergey53
          Sergey53 1 November 2017 13: 55
          +3
          Pull, we pull it. But I would not want to strain again.
        5. PSih2097
          PSih2097 1 November 2017 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: AUL
          Local sofa stuffs will have to take virtual machines into their hands.

          That's really something, but I'm not afraid of it, I can’t take it after the military registration and enlistment office, but get it out of the safe at home (saiga 7,62, wild boar 7,62, SCS 7,62 and tiger 9,3 and this does not include drives) all the more so I can make out and the Kalash issued to bring to mind somewhere like this ...

          1. AUL
            AUL 1 November 2017 15: 57
            +6
            That's really something, but I'm not afraid of it, I can’t take it after the military registration and enlistment office, but get it out of the safe at home (saiga 7,62, wild boar 7,62, SCS 7,62 and tiger 9,3 and this does not include drives) all the more so I can make out and the Kalash issued to bring to mind somewhere like this ...
            This speaks more about your ... uh ... welfare than about your willingness to sacrifice it. IMHO, of course.
        6. Whaler
          Whaler 1 November 2017 16: 38
          0
          Pull three if necessary! Does the checkbox correspond? Then get ready too)) and, first of all, to rebuild your consciousness "from peaceful to military," or else blurt out something out of habit and instantly lean against the wall yes
          1. raw174
            raw174 2 November 2017 07: 14
            +8
            Quote: Whaler
            and above all, to rebuild consciousness "from peaceful to military,"

            Oh, how the guys want to shoot! I don’t know you, but tell me, did you personally have to kill? Maybe a large animal, not by accident, but on purpose? Why do you want so much slaughter?
            I’m a hunter, I finish off a wounded roe with a knife, a hare with my fist ... every time it’s quite difficult for me to do this, I don’t show it, but dying screams and wheezing, even of an animal, are not the most pleasant sound ...
            1. Varyag71
              Varyag71 3 November 2017 10: 44
              0
              Question! For what?
        7. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 1 November 2017 22: 38
          0
          scared pancake! the first time that I’m taking the barrel in my hands.
      3. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 1 November 2017 12: 39
        +1
        This is not a prediction, but rather a logical calculation, we have already discussed similar in the topic: "The point of no return has been passed. The Moscow peace initiative in the Donbass has been thrown" into the furnace ": carte blanche for Kiev is ready for activation."

        the situation now resembles a flywheel spun against us that has been launched for the last several years. It is approaching, and most likely has already arrived, the moment when it is already impossible to change something and everyone is forced to go to the end ... only the vision of this end is not for everyone adequate. Like many, I would very much like to make a mistake in my forecasts ...
      4. andrew42
        andrew42 1 November 2017 15: 03
        +2
        If the Americans want to date the invasion of Donetsk to the period BEFORE the presidential elections in the Russian Federation, then they are round. Events such as the war remove questions about the identity of the ruler within Russia, from time immemorial. In the event of a critical situation, there will be no invasion by the RF Armed Forces. There will be a massive missile bomb attack on the positions of the Natsiks near Donetsk and the team of the Forward! Militias.
        1. raw174
          raw174 2 November 2017 07: 25
          +5
          Quote: andrew42
          Events such as the war remove questions about the identity of the ruler within Russia, from time immemorial.

          Liberasts, who are increasingly gaining weight and their curators, will take this as a gift. Immediately, all over the world there will be a sensation about the justification of Russophobia, the inadequacy of Putin, we ourselves will throw firewood into the furnace! Then we will be announced sanctions by everyone, including Kazakhs and Belarusians. They can really isolate them economically ... yes, they need to be protected, but very jewelry, direct military force only in a pinch.
          Quote: andrew42
          There will be a massive missile bomb attack on the positions of the Natsiks near Donetsk and the team of the Forward! Militias.

          Like BE among the militias, there are VERY many of our armed forces, without their documents ... only shhh, nobody wink
    2. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 1 November 2017 13: 22
      +3
      Quote: moskowit
      In fact, the start date of the coup has already been set, it was announced by Saakashvili - on November 7, or Poroshenko will start a war in Donbas on November 7. Then Saakashvili Maidan under the Rada and the putsch itself lose their relevance for a while. In any case, for Poroshenko, this is a war: either in the Donbass or in Kiev, and not a mythical peacekeeping operation. As they say, do not believe the Volcker, about the world of speaking.

      A terrible prediction! God grant that would not come true .....

      It's hard to say which is better. Or fight to conquer, and then PEACE. Or not to fight, but every day one or two dead, and so endlessly, until all living things end. For me - it’s better to recapture specifically.
    3. Egor Voronov
      Egor Voronov 1 November 2017 18: 13
      0
      God forbid come true. will begin earlier - will end earlier.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 November 2017 06: 52
    +8
    Lavrov called the Kiev statements Volcker plan for the "occupation of Donbass"

    Considering that they are able to read between the lines in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it means that it is so. The Americans today are ready for any adventure against Russia, which means that we need to wait for the worst, but at the same time do not exclude the least worse.
    1. SMP
      SMP 1 November 2017 10: 53
      0
      Considering that they are able to read between the lines in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it means that it is so. The Americans today are ready for any adventure against Russia, which means that we need to wait for the worst, but at the same time do not rule out the worst


      Unfortunately you are right, the main thing is to push the Slavs with the Slavs so that they would kill each other, the separation of the united people of Russia, in their opinion, will not work without blood, after which revenge and centuries-old removal from each other will follow.
      So they are trying to force things.
      This is what the Vatican did, literally controlling the elite of the nobility of the Commonwealth, now the center has shifted beyond the ocean.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 1 November 2017 06: 55
    +4
    The fact that the situation is aggravating is obvious, and the detention of Avakov Jr. is just another milestone on the way to the crisis.
    But to give any predictions on the timing of the start of the next mess in Kiev is a thankless task. They have seven Fridays there during the week, and by the number of Putin’s troops deployed, horses can give odds to the Chinese with their latest warnings.
    It is one thing to yell at the rostrum, and quite another to start real hostilities on several fronts (and there will obviously be more than two), when everyone will fight against everyone and a little bit with Russia.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      1 November 2017 08: 21
      +1
      This is a maidan - a mess, and a special operation goes according to plan. Miho promised as he did, and the border crossing, and the exit to the Rada, exactly according to the approved schedule. The next promotion is scheduled for November 7, why won't it happen? Unless it is canceled, although Sivykh still have to stop. So November 7 is inevitable.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 1 November 2017 08: 28
        +4
        Purely calendar 7 November is inevitable, no doubt. And everything else is under a very big question.
  5. medvedron
    medvedron 1 November 2017 07: 04
    0
    It is necessary to finish the rout of the Americans in Syria as soon as possible, then the Ukrainians will not rock the Donbas.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      1 November 2017 08: 24
      0
      Logically, Washington is vindictive, and may try to get revenge for Syria in the Donbas, another argument for McCain.
  6. Molot1979
    Molot1979 1 November 2017 07: 08
    +5
    Well let them start. A terrible end is better than horror without end. Somehow we need to get out of the stalemate. Offensive is not the worst way. But after all, not only Ukrainians led by Poroshenko are so smart. Those who need it have already known and prepared for a long time. As for November 7, I’m somehow not sure. Why would Khokhlov so substituted? Because of Sahaki? Who is he? None. And his Maidan was blown away a long time ago, so nothing threatens Valtsman from this side.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      1 November 2017 08: 26
      0
      Saakashvili is part of a special operation, part of a team, he said this more than once from Lvov: “We will consult what to do next,” including in English.
  7. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 1 November 2017 07: 28
    13
    Quote: Author: Victor Kamenev
    Poroshenko was put before an ultimatum: “You can’t have mercy on a kid”, and while they are offering to put a comma in it yourself, until November 7

    Well, at least the author doesn’t wag ..., but directly says something. This is a plus.
    The article itself is built only on the assumptions of the author, who himself first invented a certain date (07.11.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX), and then began to “think to wind around” it. This is a minus.
    In any case, there is not much left until 07.11.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX, wait and see. But IMHO, the author with this forecast did end up in the same place as usual with a finger ... do not think bad - he hit them in the sky request
    1. Victor Kamenev
      1 November 2017 08: 31
      +3
      The date of November 7 was appointed by Saakashvili and the gunman Sivyy, earlier Miho appointed the beginning of the Maidan under the Rada for October 17 - and it came true! Although others did not believe ... And I tend to trust, not Miho, but his masters with English.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 1 November 2017 09: 47
        12
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        The date of November 7 was appointed by Saakashvili and the fighter Sivy ...

        Yes, even Chaly, even the Bay.
        Poroshenko, of course, is a phenomenal woodpecker ... but not so much that without preparation, within a week, to start an offensive. Suddenly zero, the enemy is ready, we do not forget about the "northern winds" - they are also in readiness.
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        And I tend to trust, not Miho, but his masters with English

        Poroshenko has the same owners (by the way, and the people of the "McCain school", in your opinion, are among the real "owners"? My doubts ...). We would like to dump it - we would have done it by much less expensive methods.
        And since they haven’t dumped yet, it means (so far) they do not want to. And, therefore, the initiative is mainly Mihina ... well, and Chaly, ugh ... Sivoy, that is laughing
        IMHO.
  8. Misha Kvakina
    Misha Kvakina 1 November 2017 07: 41
    +1
    Walker can and requires war, only Ukrainians are cowardly !!! And after the boilers, only angry ponte climb out of them .... Obviously, no one wants to hang new coffins on himself, because then you will have to answer for everything and everything. And how they know how to hang up labels in Ukroreich, everyone knows !!! Also, the participants in the Minsk Agreements are generally silent. Neither Merkel nor Macron squeezed out anything at all ... They won’t even utter a peep if Russian tanks find themselves in Lviv !!! And after Walker Volcker returns to Washington (it is unlikely that he will become interesting in a month), the Americans will lose interest !!! There will be a third Maidan, only it will start from the Donbass and will roll across New Russia, after which it will blaze throughout the former Ukraine!
    1. Victor Kamenev
      1 November 2017 08: 34
      +2
      From Poroshenko demand to give an order, but how things will go on, no one knows.
  9. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 1 November 2017 08: 51
    +1
    And in my opinion, Walker came to agree on "voluntary"Poroshenko’s departure, but the latter was not announced.

    The war in the Donbass may begin not because of Volker's instructions, but just from the contrary - Poroshenko refused to leave; puppeteers stepped up their hirelings, such as NABU or Saakashvili, and Poroshenko (maybe he didn’t want it himself) starts a war to introduce emergency measures and clean up state Department hires.
    1. shark
      shark 1 November 2017 10: 59
      +2
      Interestingly, and the attacks on power lines and gas pipelines in the Crimea, somehow connected with this exacerbation?
  10. Eurodav
    Eurodav 1 November 2017 09: 10
    +1
    Globa predicted?
  11. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 1 November 2017 09: 24
    0
    Yes it's sad
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 1 November 2017 09: 48
    +2
    Let me give you my opinion: 1) when they decide in Washington that Kiev is up to the lantern, then peace will come in Donbass, no brainer. 2) 7.11 I think it’s far-fetched: the “tie-eater” simply fastens once again, but simply quilts, Turchininov, Mishiko do not yet have a team “face”. 3) Walker came to check: dry pants at Pan Pedro or already full of liquid and fragrant substance, and he has something to go into pants. And Arsen and Muzhenko are good at reading between the lines: "Russia will not allow massacres in the Donbass" (it will be bo-bo). Walker certainly arrived and calmed down. And they both delivered and deliver weapons.
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 1 November 2017 10: 12
    +2
    Kamenev always writes about the war - he has already foretold how many times.
    Everything is always in dark colors and very aggressive. But interesting. there is very little information in the Donbass and you cling to analytics - trying to get at least something.
    It is clear that by the time of the election, the mattresses will be ready for provocations - and if this can influence, then the war will be unleashed in LDNR. If this will contribute to Putin’s rating - on the contrary, they will do some dirty tricks - so that everyone sees "Putin leaked"
  14. LeonidK
    LeonidK 1 November 2017 10: 46
    +2
    no, I understand when Mishiko writes this, but seriously discussing combat actions during the rape season on this resource is simply not serious, a real war in those parts is possible only in the summer, when it dries, or in the winter, when it freezes.
    2sinobi, and when was Debaltseve?
  15. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 1 November 2017 11: 07
    +1
    So the war did not stop. The civil war. And it will stop exactly when the anti-Russian political entity called "Ukraine" disappears from the face of the political map. What will not happen without a change in the Russian political establishment, which in reality consists of two parties: United Ukraine No. 1 (crypto-Ukrainian special services) and United Ukraine No. 2 (ethnic liberals and genetic democrats from Zhmerynka and Konotop).
  16. cedar
    cedar 1 November 2017 11: 40
    0
    On Vukrayne cool. The heating season has begun. Many cannot afford the heat. It is necessary to warm up the vukrov. Make you jump. Someone to Kiev, someone to Moscow, the main thing, that would not be arrogant Saxons. Then this ghoul rushed ...
  17. Irina Krivtsova
    Irina Krivtsova 1 November 2017 11: 41
    +2
    The conclusion is self-destruction of the United States as a global state, reducing the role of the United States to a regional one. AND
    otherwise evil will reign in this world. And now the United States brings only evil to the world
  18. qwests
    qwests 1 November 2017 11: 49
    0
    not long before the denouement ...
  19. DPN
    DPN 1 November 2017 11: 53
    0
    Since the age of 14, Ukraine has been cleansed and educated among young people, as we have in 91, so everything is possible, but we managed to overwhelm the USSR.
    A good example of Erdogan.
  20. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 1 November 2017 12: 09
    +2
    Has predicted the troubles? I wonder if Viktor Kamenev will write a rebuttal to his conclusions if they do not come true?
  21. falcon
    falcon 1 November 2017 13: 08
    +1
    Advice to the Author! In fact, such headings are a good question mark to complete!
  22. dan_08_12
    dan_08_12 1 November 2017 13: 09
    0
    Read N. Starikov’s book “Chaos and Revolution - the Weapon of the Dollar”, it will become clear why the change of power (into more “accommodating” ones) and because of whom there are wars and provocations (Syria, North Korea, etc.). and based on the book I’ll say that war is needed so that the dollar does not collapse, that is, the sale of weapons, etc. "good intentions of democracy" from Washington and London.
  23. BAI
    BAI 1 November 2017 13: 22
    +2
    How many times the next war in Kiev and full-scale hostilities in the Donbass were predicted and not a single prediction came true.
  24. Alexander Prikhodko
    Alexander Prikhodko 1 November 2017 13: 48
    0
    we must proceed from the one that the igil and the usa are allies or the usa this is the igil - the Ukrainian Bendery authorities are adjacent to these terrorists
    1. Abel
      Abel 1 November 2017 14: 33
      +2
      Do not offend Transnistrians. City- Bender, fascists in Ukraine - Bandera
  25. sergevonsohrn
    sergevonsohrn 1 November 2017 14: 14
    +3
    The Americans are acting in their usual discourse - they are stepping up the situation on the eve of the presidential election in Russia! for this they need a "hot phase" in the Donbass. at the same time, they are deeply parallel to what the outcome of this adventure will be! Ukraine for them is just a bargaining chip ...
  26. novik1
    novik1 1 November 2017 14: 24
    +1
    In my opinion, such forecasts are worthless! Forecasts indicating the exact date are generally futile, It's like predicting the end of the world!
  27. Abel
    Abel 1 November 2017 14: 32
    0
    I have two points of view. First (reasonable): you can’t get into Ukraine. And they will scream strongly in the West, and reluctantly get in, it’s then they will have to feed them, and the UPA is reluctant to drive through the forests, the grandfather once raided. The second (emotional): Well, what got to it !! Can't McCain slip in the bathroom or on the stairs? His head is weak.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 1 November 2017 15: 17
      0
      Quote: Abel
      Can't McCain slip in the bathroom or on the stairs? His head is weak

      Russians sent brain cancer to him lol
      1. Cetron
        Cetron 1 November 2017 17: 32
        0
        This is him in Vietnam put cancer.
      2. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 4 November 2017 20: 21
        0
        Well, it would be better if they spilled oil on the stairs
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 4 November 2017 20: 34
          0
          Quote: Cossack 471
          Well, it would be better if they spilled oil on the stairs

          Annushka has already spilled oil; he simply does not know about it.
  28. Boris Mityashin
    Boris Mityashin 1 November 2017 14: 42
    0
    As the processes in Ukraine are moving towards uncontrollability from the outside, for the United States ultimately, it will be politically most beneficial to provoke ukrov to attack the DNLR. Even with their obviously defeat from Russia.
    First of all, they will “wash their hands” and lay all responsibility for Nazi Ukria with Russia. Secondly, they will again begin to strain Europe on new sanctions against Russia in order to abandon our hydrocarbons in favor of the US. And the construction of a new wall between Europe and Russia.
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  31. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 1 November 2017 15: 58
    0
    Russia Super Power No. 1 in the world !!!!
  32. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 1 November 2017 16: 03
    0
    The essence of Americanism - the war in the world must go constantly under any slogans and pretexts. In "muddy water", it’s easier to bend a dermocratic geyropu.
  33. Sergey Stepanov_2
    Sergey Stepanov_2 1 November 2017 16: 34
    0
    Already all the aggressors have realized that attacking RUSSIA is to their own detriment, and even more so before the upcoming frosts. Why doesn't history teach anyone
  34. nickgv
    nickgv 1 November 2017 17: 51
    0
    The situation will save modern sniper weapons. A piece, that is, 10 new-model sniper rifles capable of turning the aggressor against their own superiors, or simply turning the attack into flight from the territory of the ATO. And there, you look, and the propaganda efforts will come to naught, i.e. it is not known what to die for, for which it is easier to throw off the gangster (Bandera) power.
  35. wasapip2010
    wasapip2010 1 November 2017 18: 02
    +1
    Congratulations to you gentlemen Europeans. Under the super smart guidance of the Yankees, you have already become impoverished. In Poland, the LAST submarine burned down. In the Baltics, there is no work at all. They go to work in other countries. About 25 years ago I bought a Baltic refrigerator. Well, like a refrigerator, then of course it's complete rubbish. (Five months later, the engine burned out. I installed the engine from turquoise and it still works. And it freezes to death.) But they worked. While friends with Russia everything was. So soon tryndets will come to you.
    And Germany, too, they cared so much for the purity of their race. And now what is Continuous Islamization.
    Soon, their women will get used to the Arabs and give birth to little Islam. And everything is complete TRINDER.
    There will be a new country Arabogermany.
  36. myobius59
    myobius59 1 November 2017 18: 07
    +1
    Quote: AUL
    That's really something, but I'm not afraid of it, I can’t take it after the military registration and enlistment office, but get it out of the safe at home (saiga 7,62, wild boar 7,62, SCS 7,62 and tiger 9,3 and this does not include drives) all the more so I can make out and the Kalash issued to bring to mind somewhere like this ...
    This speaks more about your ... uh ... welfare than about your willingness to sacrifice it. IMHO, of course.

    Exactly. 100%
  37. 1536
    1536 1 November 2017 18: 39
    +2
    Of course, this is not the time to be in a fuss. Well, when was it "that"? When the Americans staged a coup in Chile in 1973, killed the legal president and many more citizens of this country? Or even earlier, when napalm was dropped on peaceful Vietnamese villages. Perhaps in Afghanistan, when they supplied terrorists with weapons, they built prisons milking Soviet prisoners of war in Pakistan? And there were Cuba, Yemen, Somalia, and even Syria was in the early 1980's, where the Americans were already trying to overthrow the Assad family by the hands of the Israelis.
    In general, it would be necessary to give the Americans hands, if under one place it is scary and unprofitable. Otherwise, all these "benefits" from cooperation with them in space, from the sale of titanium and so on, will become useless to anyone, since the losses from the massacre in the Donbass will be simply irreparable.
  38. citizen242
    citizen242 1 November 2017 18: 40
    +1
    [quote = raw174] [quote = AUL] Putin will no longer be able to turn on the return - he will completely lose face. [/ quote]
    Yes, like he didn’t lose him ...
    [quote = AUL] And two wars at the same time we will not pull. [/ quote]
    If by “we”, you understand the Russian Federation, I think we’ll pull it ... They will leave advisers and part of the MTR, as well as an air wing for permanent residence in the SAR, reduce our direct participation, and stop throwing the Kyrgyz Republic. Defending LDNR by armed means will be cheaper because:
    1. Logistics is simpler, land border, etc.
    2. Our area, climate and landscapes.
    3. The ability to use all kinds of Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as the fleet in full.
    4. In moral terms, it’s easier to fight on your own land.
    Do people want to go. And for whom the blood to shed those who unleash calmly and now they are guzzling the sanction and will not go into battle. That's the problem.
  39. dmitry.kashkaryow
    dmitry.kashkaryow 1 November 2017 19: 51
    +2
    Quote: AUL
    I’ll take it if they give it (I served an urgent one in 71 after graduation, can you count the age?) I hope you satisfied your curiosity.

    Such soldiers must be called up and distributed immediately to the hospitals!)))
    1. AUL
      AUL 3 November 2017 20: 57
      0
      Cheerful you humor!
      By the way, the other day I’m participating in competitions. Not as a judge, but as a participant. And not in chess-poker-dominoes, but in a quite mobile sport. So bury early!
  40. Clone
    Clone 1 November 2017 20: 27
    +1
    I doubt that the escalation of hostilities is planned for the onset of cold weather with a subsequent winter period. Although ... where is the logic, and where is the leadership of an independent?
  41. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 1 November 2017 21: 43
    +1
    Quote: askme
    Yankees are bluffing.
    The task of LDNR-Russia is to prevent adversaries from provoking themselves on a large-scale offensive. It is not yet profitable for Russia. So far, Russia has been in this direction in geopolitical defense. Deaf. But not at any cost ... They will hold on to the last, but if the situation nevertheless ripens, the offensive of LDNR-Russia will be total with a complete sweep of Bendery according to the tonsils ...

    No war in the near future - WILL NOT)

    Yankees do not bluff. Yankees do EVERYTHING evil. By any means, from all sides. They do not shun anything. And the fact that they did not defeat Russian Orthodox to the end, although the Soviet Union collapsed, is the merit of our guys and specialists.
    But remember, the Yankees never bluff. And im-us .., well, you understand how many pan-and-headed heads they will drive for slaughter. Pan-and-headed crackers of Banderlogovohokhlyandsky western, Poles, European
    c, Mujahideen or anyone else, instead of Americans dying for the interests of the United States and Americans.
    In this case, the Russian Orthodox Russia remains with what to do. Wait, when in the Southeast of Ukraine, Ukrainians and Russians will kill and rot into the ground and fertilize all of those pan-and-headed who will attack the Southeast. And normal Ukrainians and Russians living in Ukraine will drive these pan-leg-killers out of Ukraine, after they grind their forces, lose and rot in the South-East of Ukraine.
    Or when the offensive in the South-East becomes threatening, it will be clear that the South-East will not withstand the onslaught of pan-West Bandera scum, then the South-East and Russia Russian Orthodox will go on the counter attack.
    And the world community will do nothing, nichrome. Because because it’s the pan-Western Bandera scum that started to attack and kill the Russians and Ukrainians in Ukraine! And they defended themselves and went on a counterattack. And not just a counterattack, but with the complete removal of Ukraine from all scum. And the entry of Ukraine into the Russian Orthodox Church of their own free will and their will, voluntarily and the formation of Russian troops in Ukraine forever and ever -FOREVER! And the Iskander, and the yars and air defense — will now stand in Kiev, the mother of the Russian cities and in Ukraine and over Kiev — the ETERNAL-Russian tricolor of Russia the Russian Orthodox will develop in such a case under such circumstances! And all this will be done, within a year. And the Yankees will poke around, puddles wet from these Yankees will not remain.
  42. vladimir.rom
    vladimir.rom 1 November 2017 22: 06
    +1
    The war is not needed by anyone, I’m waging simple peasants in Russia or America, the magnates of military equipment and the oil kings need it. It is clear to the bull that hay is tastier than straw.
    Poroshenko like a rooster buried his puppet like no one else believes him in Ukraine, and if a rooster doesn’t sing and chickens do not stomp his head off, and there is a replacement Mishka Saakashvili with many faces, he
    a long time ago the USA was Vasya back from Georgia and he got there from the USA, Well, Petya Brekhlo warmed it and again at the direction of the USA, and now the owners from the USA are pushing at Petya or you are on a horse dashing or with a sewn ditch with your head broken. What is there to not understand what kind of president he is if no one obeys him. And in order for him to retain power and was given weapons, he needs a major military operation in the Donbass, but America will not give them pay with a hard coin for such a thing, and Ukraine is still in debt and what to give bare back, that's another reason so that
    they began to start a war there overseas, a small-populated country wakes up and the lands there are not bad, here are our new estates, and that there will be live Ukrainians working from morning until dawn.
    Corsair grandfather Vovka.
  43. Nitarius
    Nitarius 2 November 2017 07: 02
    +1
    Well, before the election of GDP .. we decided to salt on a large scale .. well .. expectedly!
    The question is only different .. but will the gentlemen have time to escape from Ukraine all at once .. or will we LIKE the gentlemen under the TRIBUNAL!
  44. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 2 November 2017 08: 00
    0
    Quote: PSih2097
    I repeat once again, or stripping full of all of Ukraine

    Before a complete cleansing of the whole of Urina, a complete cleansing of the whole of Russia is necessary ... or at least a cleansing of Moscow. Otherwise, nothing will work.
  45. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 2 November 2017 08: 16
    +1
    Remember - how many reasons did our buddy Trampushka need to hit Syria? They showed a photo to his daughter, she wept and ... rockets flew.
    I believe that photographs are already ready "Kiev children suffer from the chemical attack of the Donetsk separatists", corrupt media are ready, teary little girls are preparing handkerchiefs ...
  46. Zeldon
    Zeldon 2 November 2017 13: 21
    +1
    Volker will let himself into his pants, big and small if this ok, Volker, is in the combat zone.
  47. Black sniper
    Black sniper 2 November 2017 17: 27
    0
    New Russians do not want to be part of the Russian Federation, and they do not ask for military assistance, so it’s not right to say that their Russia “leaked” it. Remember how much RF gum. convoys to LDN sent volunteer fighters!
  48. PARTIZAN MOJAKHEDOVICH
    PARTIZAN MOJAKHEDOVICH 2 November 2017 23: 53
    0
    Damn you Walkers.
  49. Dwarf with nose
    Dwarf with nose 3 November 2017 00: 34
    +1
    For a couple of years, the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces have been tinkering with, it’s not the same as in the years 14 and 15, and if they rush to the full on the DNI and the LC, it is very difficult to indulge.
    1. raw174
      raw174 3 November 2017 08: 28
      +2
      Quote: Nose dwarf
      if they rush to the full on the DNI and the LNR indulges in very difficult.

      I didn’t have to fight, fortunately ... but I think war is always difficult.
      Quote: Nose dwarf
      APU for a couple of years potted, it's not the same as in 14 and 15 years

      Understaffed with garbage containers? I don’t think that their technical potential has increased significantly, but my morale, I think, sagged ...
      If anything, the vacation season begins in the RF Armed Forces abruptly, we will help LDNR ... Again, it will be possible to accept many Ukrainian citizens in the RF Armed Forces, under the new law, or the Syrians will want to voluntarily help the Slavs ... Yes, there are a lot of options, there would be political will.
  50. kirillovleva
    kirillovleva 3 November 2017 13: 29
    +1
    In winter we fight - this time, the second - during the attack there will be casualties and possibly in our territory. The question is not who will win and who will hit first, plus a holey border - expanse for saboteurs and entire nachbatalons - but this is hostage taking, attacks on the police department, military unit at the initial stage. And the question will be for the authorities - why they allowed it, why they didn’t destroy it before, but if you start first - when the victims appear - the question is different - why do we need it? Both options will pull the power rating down.