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After 2030, the Russian Navy will receive a new training sailing vessel

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New training sailing ship will be delivered to the Navy the fleet after 2030, reports press office Ministry of Defense




The Russian Navy will receive a new sailing ship after 2030. The construction of the sailing vessel is incorporated in the shipbuilding program,
quoted by the press service of the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy for armaments, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk.

This was announced by the admiral at the scientifichistorical conferences on the occasion of the 321th anniversary of the establishment of the Navy and the 190th anniversary of the creation of the Navigation and Oceanography Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

According to him, the Navy has traditionally not been engaged in building sailing ships for training purposes, “but it was decided that such a ship would be built to improve the quality of training of cadets at naval schools and institutes.”

As soon as the project of a prospective training sailing vessel is developed and approved by the High Command of the Navy, state contracts will be concluded for the construction of this vessel,
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 31 October 2017 14: 32
    11
    And when will our fleet receive the first new surface combat ship of the first rank?
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 31 October 2017 14: 40
      +3
      How Mast? smile
    2. Aleksandr_2
      Aleksandr_2 31 October 2017 14: 47
      +1
      by 2031 ..... how to build a sailboat
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 31 October 2017 16: 11
        +8
        Why not by 2070? In the 18-19 centuries they were stamped like hot cakes, but now it takes more than a dozen years? laughing
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 31 October 2017 23: 24
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          And when will our fleet receive the first new surface combat ship of the first rank?

          Quote: Thrall
          How Mast?

          Quote: Aleksandr_2
          by 2031 ..... how to build a sailboat

          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Why not by 2070? In the 18-19 centuries they were stamped like hot cakes, but now it takes more than a dozen years?

          ... as I understand it, the Military Review has already sunk into the summer ... now the boys come to neighing supposedly ... The brain has not yet formed ... sorry, but what was the audience before ... not like the current tribe ... shame one ... A training sailing ship, never before was part of the Navy ... and this is a momentous event ... let the guys feel like heirs of Ushakov, Makarov, Nakhimov, Lazarev ... well, these unsubscribed "Patients for the Navy". .. 0 feet under the keel ... soldier
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 31 October 2017 23: 47
            +1
            Quote: Inok10
            Training sailboat, when it was not part of the Navy ...

            The Russian Navy will receive a new sailing ship after 2030. The construction of the sailing vessel is incorporated in the shipbuilding program,
            quoted by the press service of the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy for armaments, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk.
            All ships of the Navy sail with the Andreevsky flag !!! repeat
            Quote: Inok10
            let the guys feel like heirs of Ushakov, Makarov, Nakhimov, Lazarev ...
            The dream of every boy ..... soldier
          2. XXXIII
            XXXIII 1 November 2017 00: 05
            +1
            Quote: Inok10
            Training sailboat, when it was not part of the Navy ...
            I was somehow confused recourse , Kruzenshtern (bark) only goes with tricolor, so it’s not part of the Navy ..... how would a civilian ship turn out what
          3. Letun
            Letun 1 November 2017 07: 04
            +1
            Quote: Inok10
            A training sailing ship, never before was part of the Navy ... and this is a momentous event ... let the guys feel like heirs of Ushakov, Makarov, Nakhimov, Lazarev ...

            But why?
            Do you know what association this news causes me? Such a head of the family is sitting in an apartment bought on a mortgage, repairs need to be done, the children need to save money for study, in general, they barely make ends meet, but at the same time they are buying a carriage drawn by three horses, well, because it's kind of romantic ...
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 2 November 2017 22: 50
              +3
              Quote: XXXIII
              I was somehow confused

              ... why right? ...
              Quote: XXXIII
              Kruzenshtern (bark) only walks with tricolor, so it’s not part of the Navy ..... how would a civilian ship turn out

              ... Yes ... Baltic State Academy of the Fishing Fleet ... hi ... even in the days of the USSR, he did not fly under the flag of the Navy ... that only his fate was not ... and PB-14 (Floating Base) and PKZ-113 (Floating Barracks) ... and, in the USSR, he walked like NIS ... since 1961 ... alas, the harsh Truth of life ...
            2. Inok10
              Inok10 2 November 2017 22: 53
              +3
              Quote: Letun
              Do you know what association this news causes me? Such a head of the family is sitting in an apartment bought on a mortgage, repairs need to be done, the children need to save money for study, in general, they barely make ends meet, but at the same time they are buying a carriage drawn by three horses, well, because it's kind of romantic ...

              ... ah, I have only one ... such Screamers will write off the Yak-52 flight schools and the rest of the training ... they immediately need to put the Cadet at the helm of the Su-35, and preferably Su-57 ...
              1. Letun
                Letun 3 November 2017 06: 43
                0
                Quote: Inok10
                ... ah, I have only one ... such Screamers will write off the Yak-52 flight schools and the rest of the training ... they immediately need to put the Cadet at the helm of the Su-35, and preferably Su-57 ...

                You are funny. Still not grown from youthful maximalism and romantic books about sailboats? Well, well, unfortunately our time is characterized by the presence of a large number of over-age infantiles, there, we even have a prime minister among them ...
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 3 November 2017 20: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: Letun
                  You are funny.

                  ... hear Petrosyan climb 40 meters above the ocean in 15 m / s of wind with gusts of up to 25 m / s, about 3-4 points, Fresh weather and work with sails with your hands on 40 м. ... out of the boys Peasants become with steel bells Etc. soldier
                  1. Letun
                    Letun 3 November 2017 20: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Inok10
                    ... hear Petrosyan climb 40 meters above the ocean in 15 m / s of wind with gusts of up to 25 m / s, about 3-4 balls, Fresh weather and work with sails with your hands for 40 m ... there are guys, Guys become with steel bells ...

                    But why be rude? You are not just a boy, but an ill-mannered boy ...
                    Do you know another joke on the topic:
                    There is an extreme and an extreme girl, they begin to flood each other about how they catch buzz at a height of 40 m with a wind of 25 m / s, are imbued with mutual sympathy and the girl tells the guy:
                    - You're so cool, let's have sex!
                    And the guy replies:
                    - Come on! Only standing and in a hammock!

                    My dear Peresvet, the goal of the Russian Navy is not to grow steel bells from lords, but to protect our country, the fleet is not in the best condition, and now it’s not the time to build toys.

                    By the way, you remind me of the Ball from this episode:

                    laughing
      2. akribos
        akribos 31 October 2017 20: 40
        +2
        Either the UAZ Patriots of the Airborne Forces, the ATVs in the Arctic, the reanimation of the giant ekranoplan, the heap of armored car trash much of which was recognized as unnecessary back in the 60s, is now a sailboat. He is certainly beautiful. But why is there no money to restore Typhoons? Truly the right machine!
        1. abc_alex
          abc_alex 1 November 2017 23: 14
          +1
          Since you decided to shine for the fleet, name the boats correctly. Nuclear submarines 941 of the project are called "Shark", use the NATO classification for no reason - Moveton :)

          Sailboat is the prestige of the profession. Sailboat - the cadets ’dream come true. This is a unique experience available only to representatives of the officer corps of the fleet. If we want to develop the fleet, we need to create an aura of romance around the profession of naval officer. In the event of war, they have very little chance of survival.

          And for the restoration of "Sharks" except "no money" there are a lot of technical obstacles. For example, today there are no manufacturers of key chassis components. Just no, closed, ruined, reprofiled. Secondly, there are no missiles for these boats. The first stage of the R-39 rocket was made at Yuzhmash. To restore the production of this rocket is simply unrealistic. And for the R-30 "Mace" such a boat is not too modest. The mace is 5 meters shorter, 40 cm thinner, and most importantly, 53 tons lighter (37 tons instead of 90). If the Shark launch mines are “sawed” into the “Mace”, then it turns out that the boat is not loaded at least 20 * 53 = 1060 tons. Least. Because the launch complex was used to launch the R-39 missile, and the Bulava starts from the TPK.
          In theory, it would be possible to "cut" the Sharks under the Kyrgyz Republic complex "Caliber", but this means to shovel a third of the boat.
          In addition, the "Sharks" created under the North.
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 31 October 2017 15: 03
      +2
      I think that in the second half of the 20s, unless of course we count two ice patrolmen. These will be ready in the first half of the 20s. In any case, the receipt of the first, second or third ship of the 1st rank will not change radically the balance of forces. Moreover, by this time the last buzzards will probably write off.
      1. INTER
        INTER 31 October 2017 15: 12
        0
        But is he needed in the year 30? I think at that time there will be mostly drones.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 31 October 2017 15: 26
          +1
          For the next 20 years, drones will occupy many niches, but obviously they will not become the basis.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 31 October 2017 19: 10
        +3
        Quote: g1v2
        All the more so the last buzzards will probably write off by this time.


        That's what you need to think about, not romantic sailboats ...
        They like me ... My soul sings when I see in the pictures ... But when I think about how many ships it takes for the modern Navy, and how much it will be spent just for prestige when building a sailing ship, something becomes uncomfortable to me ...
        Pacific Fleet - stripped, swollen ... I, the land explorer, and that - is clear ...
        And to fat boyars-mordekhayam - everything is up to the bulb ... fool
        Sailing ship to them ... Here you are and build on your billions ... Like Abramovich ...
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 31 October 2017 23: 07
          +1
          Quote: weksha50
          They like me ... My soul sings when I see in the pictures ... But when I think about how many ships it takes for the modern Navy, and how much it will be spent just for prestige when building a sailing ship, something becomes uncomfortable to me ...
          A sailor who is in love with the sea, and also sailing, will not break anything. You deny such an important quality for the education of warriors and patriots as romance. By the way, in the west there are a lot of large sailing ships, and the best sailors on sailing ships are the Russians, who went through the practice at naval schools, precisely on large training sailing ships, and who remained out of work during the collapse of the Soviet Union.
          1. shkiper83
            shkiper83 1 November 2017 02: 11
            +2
            Only civilians seemed to go to practice sailing. during our round-the-world trip on Nadezhda, there were only a few invited cadets of the military commanders from the TOVMU. And by the way, then at the age of 20 5 months under sails seemed hard labor. Although now it's nice to remember
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 1 November 2017 02: 39
              0
              Quote: shkiper83
              Only civilians seemed to go sailing practice

              Maybe I won’t say for sure, but the very idea of ​​large training sailing ships always seemed very successful to me. That is, first feel the sea, and then learn further.
              1. shkiper83
                shkiper83 1 November 2017 06: 06
                +2
                Well, almost everyone was poisoned overboard. By the way, after the galley, motion sickness goes away. After it is already difficult to get sick. And so at the height of the mast, which writes out the loop, at the beginning "slightly" nauseous)))
                1. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 1 November 2017 12: 33
                  +1
                  A friend of mine served in the Baltic, so he said that indeed, at the beginning everything was "poisoned", and it doesn’t matter whether it was a sailing ship, or a modern warship. Best of all sonar speakers who sit at the very bottom, where pitching is felt the least. I can imagine what it is like at the top of the mast, even with little excitement.
          2. weksha50
            weksha50 1 November 2017 22: 08
            0
            Quote: Orionvit
            You deny such an important quality for the education of warriors and patriots as romance.


            I absolutely DO NOT deny ... At one time, I also raved about romance, sails, etc. .... I did not go through the medical examination at the submarine school, then the army, and after the Kara-Kum and the Hungry Steppe the romance of the seas did not attract ...
            But in this case I’m talking about the current situation in the Russian Navy and about pressing problems ... Romance and reality are far from the same ... hi soldier
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 2 November 2017 12: 38
              0
              Quote: weksha50
              But in this case I’m talking about the current situation in the Russian Navy and about pressing problems ... Romance and reality are far from the same ..

              Of course, you can agree with you, but going into the material side of the fleet only is not entirely true. The fleet consists not only of ships, but also of the people who serve them. And the combat readiness of the fleet, directly depends on the professionalism and quality of training of personnel. From sailors to officers. I am firmly convinced that one cannot spare money on this.
        2. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 1 November 2017 06: 27
          0
          They are not so romantic anymore. It is quite real and in the target respect, anti-submarine, patrol. Autonomy with a sail is equivalent to a submarine reactor, well, the engine for special situations complements the possibilities. Everything new is a well-forgotten old, it is an axiom!
  2. san4es
    san4es 31 October 2017 14: 33
    +8
    recourse
    New training sailing ship will be delivered to the Navy after 2030

    ... once grandchildren grow up what ... Or maybe great-grandchildren recourse
  3. Firework
    Firework 31 October 2017 14: 39
    +4
    I support, let the young people know how difficult it was for their great-great-grandfathers
    1. 210ox
      210ox 31 October 2017 14: 51
      +7
      They used to say something like this: "Who did not sail, he is not a sailor" ..
      Quote: Salute
      I support, let the young people know how difficult it was for their great-great-grandfathers
    2. Letun
      Letun 31 October 2017 14: 58
      14
      Quote: Salute
      I support, let the young people know how difficult it was for their great-great-grandfathers

      Yes Yes. And motorized riflemen need to make bows with muskets. Let them know how difficult it was for their great-great-grandfathers.
      1. Firework
        Firework 31 October 2017 15: 02
        +5
        Quote: Letun
        Yes Yes. And motorized riflemen need to make bows with muskets. Let them know how difficult it was for their great-great-grandfathers.

        funny of course, but ... there is not only material but also moral side ...
        a sailor and a soldier should have motivation to protect the interests of his country, it is important to know the history of his country and everything connected with it
        1. Letun
          Letun 31 October 2017 16: 39
          +4
          Quote: Salute
          funny of course, but ... there is not only material but also moral side ...
          a sailor and a soldier should have motivation to protect the interests of his country, it is important to know the history of his country and everything connected with it

          Of course. That is why you need to arm soldiers with muskets and build a sailing fleet. You can also build galleys. Sitting on the oars shoulder to shoulder, you know how the sea fraternity will be felt! Wow !!! And the family, the Motherland, you are right, this is of course so-so motivation to protect the interests of your country ...
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 31 October 2017 19: 53
            +2
            Meanwhile, the galleys helped Peter defeat Gangut. Sailboats is a song of history!
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 31 October 2017 23: 16
            +2
            Quote: Letun
            Of course. That is why you need to arm soldiers with muskets and build a sailing fleet.

            Actually, the conversation is not about the sailing fleet, but about the training ship. And the fact that it is sailing is excellent, so that naval traditions would not be forgotten. Here you are, Comrade Letun, if you are a flyer of course, please tell me, the first steps in the sky for cadets of flight schools, begin immediately with combat SU-35, or with simple training aircraft? If so, then I do not understand your sarcasm regarding sailboats.
            1. Letun
              Letun 1 November 2017 07: 00
              +1
              Quote: Orionvit
              please tell me, the first steps in the sky at the cadets of flight schools, begin immediately with combat SU-35, or with simple training aircraft?

              Cadets begin to fly on airships. Don't you know? "Whoever did not go to ballooning is not a pilot!" Airships are a song of history! Well, etc ...
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 31 October 2017 19: 17
          +3
          Quote: Salute
          a sailor and a soldier should have motivation to protect the interests of his country, it is important to know the history of his country and everything connected with it


          Explain to me, dear ... Do not consider such treatment for familiarity ...
          Well, why, with the modern coolest defense, navigation, shipbuilding potential, NOW (right now !!!) to think about laying and expenses for the construction of a sailing boat ???
          Yes, it is - you need ... BUT !!! Given the normal state of the economy, the normal and full-fledged supply of the Navy with ships of all necessary types, as well as personnel of a high level of professionalization ... Then you can afford this part of the romantic and courageous dedication of young people to sailors ...
          PS Let's not forget that, in the case of 3 MB (naturally, thermonuclear), the skills of navigating with a sailing fleet and navigational skills in stars and sextant are very useful ...
          1. midivan
            midivan 31 October 2017 21: 01
            +2
            Quote: weksha50
            PS Let's not forget that, in the case of 3 MB (naturally, thermonuclear), sailing skills

            Quote: weksha50
            navigational skills for stars and sextant - sooooo useful even ...

            I agree if so, but I'm not sure with the sail, where to put it on whom?
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 31 October 2017 22: 38
              +1
              Quote: midivan
              I agree if so, but I'm not sure with the sail, where to put it on whom?


              When all the ships are sunk in the third MV, mankind will again revive the fleet ... Dugout boats, ... Peter's boots ... Here are tons of sails and they will begin to set ... hi
      2. Aleksandr_2
        Aleksandr_2 31 October 2017 17: 03
        0
        and "Formans" and U-2 will build MO ??? for training cadets of flight schools, so that they remember that the SU-35 did not immediately appear
  4. CentDo
    CentDo 31 October 2017 14: 44
    +1
    After 2030? That is, maybe by 2050, or maybe by 2130? It is very convenient to voice such terms.
    1. Tarasios
      Tarasios 31 October 2017 14: 49
      +1
      Build faster, and for your money - cadets will definitely say thank you.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 31 October 2017 15: 09
        0
        Without you, I’ll somehow figure out what and when to build. If you are promised a salary sometime after the 10th, maybe the 20th, or maybe the 30th, will this suit you?
  5. HEATHER
    HEATHER 31 October 2017 14: 50
    +7
    "Kruzenshtern" and "Sedov" I hope they do not go to the sediment. The new ship promises to be a three-masted one. But it is far from it. Masts-mainsail, foresail, mizzen.
    1. Fox
      Fox 31 October 2017 17: 01
      +3
      fok-first. then the mainsail.
  6. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 31 October 2017 14: 54
    +6
    And by the year 2050, he will proceed to the construction of oar galleys))).
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 31 October 2017 14: 57
    0
    I recall a sailboat abandoned in Germany, which was abandoned, and no one will give a guarantee that this one will not be presented to anyone later! !
  8. HEATHER
    HEATHER 31 October 2017 15: 07
    +6
    Good selection of sailing ships. Once interested. Uncle moreman.
  9. Nemesis
    Nemesis 31 October 2017 15: 07
    +7
    Another stupid Kremlin. Well, and what is the use of this sailing ship, what can sailors learn there? Perhaps it is suitable for training the merchant fleet, but it is completely useless for naval military schools. Usually, a military ship, which was outdated for military purposes, but still a strong ship, where naval cadets could get not only the practice of navigating the ship at sea, but also working with ship mechanisms, navigation and fire control systems, weapons systems, was usually transferred to military schools as a training ship ... After all, the training ship ,, Borodino '', project 12441 was built, but some one (the great naval commander), such as Serdyukov, refused to finish it, deciding to transfer the naval cadets to a useless one (galley), and even spend money from the budget of the Russian Federation on its construction. ..
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 31 October 2017 17: 30
      +5
      Quote: Nemesis
      Another stupid Kremlin. Well, and what is the use of this sailing ship, what can sailors learn there? Perhaps it is suitable for training the merchant fleet, but it is completely useless for naval military schools.

      What are you? These sailboats are the pearls of our fleet! Young sailors, I am sure, will never forget how they went on it. And the Germans just dream of getting Padua back!
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 31 October 2017 18: 10
        +3
        The Germans may dream, but as a museum, and the Germans themselves no longer build this nonsense and are not going to. The pearl of the Russian fleet is the Peter the Great missile cruiser, and from your (galleys) no one is cold or hot and in terms of training naval cadets your Padua will not replace Borodino
  10. Vik66
    Vik66 31 October 2017 15: 09
    0
    Romance, however ... Sails, yards, all sorts of bowsprit and all that ...
    It’s the same as learning to ride a Daimler-Benz self-propelled wheelchair - I skated a site, the city was given the rights to you, and then they put me on KamAZ and go! wink
  11. etrofimov
    etrofimov 31 October 2017 15: 14
    0
    Comrades! Everything on the Oars! Urgently! We will pray for the environment!
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 31 October 2017 15: 37
    +4
    I love news from the future. While there is nothing to be proud of, be proud that someday, perhaps ...
    In the meantime, the news from today
    In the village of Agalatovo, Leningrad Region, the machine gunners did not allow the communal workers to cut off the officer dormitory from heating
    1. thinker
      thinker 31 October 2017 16: 43
      +3
      In the meantime, the news from today

      Let's talk about sailboats. yes
      A 143-meter yacht of the Russian billionaire Andrei Melnichenko arrived in Limassol. Representatives of the shipyard in Kiel noted that the customer set them the task of "surpassing everything that has been done so far in the global yachting industry."

      1. weksha50
        weksha50 31 October 2017 19: 25
        0
        Quote: thinker
        Let's talk about sailboats.
        A 143-meter yacht of the Russian billionaire Andrei Melnichenko arrived in Limassol. Representatives of the shipyard in Kiel noted that the customer set them the task of "surpassing everything that has been done so far in the global yachting industry."


        Yep ...
        Someone in the General Staff of the Navy laurels of the yacht Melnichenko do not give sleep peacefully ???
        He said so many times: to take for Faberge our very “poor and neglected” ones - this is how you can build more than one ultramodern fleet ... Progressive tax: from each oliHarkha — or SSBN, or ship of the 1st rank, with its subsequent maintenance ... Before disposal ... Either the first or the second ... bully
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 31 October 2017 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      In the meantime, the news from today


      For such news, the government indiscriminately needs to beat its faces ... At least ...
  13. Aleksandr_2
    Aleksandr_2 31 October 2017 16: 46
    +1
    and after all, some idiot bureaucrat needs this! ??? with a complete deficit of surface ships of rank 1-2, to build an unnecessary but very beautiful sailing ship for the Navy for billions !!! ???? put it on the embankment near the headquarters and stupidly enjoy his view from the office ...... Even in the USSR they didn’t come up with this .... laughingand not easier for fun cadets on a sailboat, gray-haired for a couple of months to rent from fishermen
  14. Firework
    Firework 31 October 2017 16: 59
    +4
    Quote: Letun
    Sitting on the oars shoulder to shoulder, you know how the sea fraternity will be felt! Wow !!! And the family, the Motherland, you are right, this is of course so-so motivation to protect the interests of your country ...
    You messed up something. It’s about building one training ship and not about arming the entire fleet with sailing ships.
    why yernichat? truth must be born in disputes, proving not right is not the main thing
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 31 October 2017 17: 40
      +2
      Obviously the boat will pull on 200mln (the Algerian sailboat - which was built in Poland, pulled on 175), plus the project, plus equipment - in the end, all 400 million will come out. That is, a frigate.
  15. pl675
    pl675 31 October 2017 18: 03
    0
    This slaughter is about ten years old.
  16. weksha50
    weksha50 31 October 2017 19: 06
    +1
    "As soon as the project of a promising training sailing vessel is developed and approved by the High Command of the Navy, state contracts for the construction of this vessel will be concluded"Etc.

    With whom ??? With Germans, Poles, Dutch ??? We ourselves - we will not be able to build ... But what about ssanktsii?
    And what about the money - it is not there, but you - hold on?
    I understand everything - young sailors need to be educated on difficulties ... But is it really necessary now to sail with our - honestly - frail fleet ??? What do they mean that we will fight with the US aircraft carriers on sailing barges ???
    Honestly, I again do not get tired of being perplexed by the activities of large Russian officials ... The higher - the dumber .. The former (and why the former?) March of the USSR Air Force is just shameful ...
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 31 October 2017 22: 13
      0
      but beautiful, "Scarlet Sails" there are all sorts
  17. Moonsund
    Moonsund 31 October 2017 19: 48
    +1
    yeah 2030 sailing ship, the construction of the aircraft carrier will begin presumably in 2025 year Technical design The "Leader" is included in the state armament program for 2018-2025, after 2024 there may be a Russian orbital station, "maybe", "should", "we plan", "we will begin", and after 2030, we will fly to Alpha Centauri, build on Mars New Vasyuki, then you, of course, no one will live, nooo, we promise you ... most likely, as if to design, hmm ... maybe .... probably. Hesitated to her god ((People do not harass this
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 31 October 2017 19: 54
      +1
      Well, we are a superpower. On nuclear weapons, territory and tryndezhu!
  18. Moonsund
    Moonsund 31 October 2017 20: 32
    +2
    perhaps I’ll start to collect a collection of floodlights. Although what am I? I’ll start to write news myself:
    According to the assurances of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the space battle battleship Petropavlovsk will enter service after the emm of 2042. Until this time, the appearance of a promising battleship, its armament and tasks will be determined. According to the assurances of the representative of the Ministry of Defense, the initial sketch is already ready and funds from the state budget in the amount of 1 trillion are allocated. rubles.
  19. Lycan
    Lycan 31 October 2017 22: 07
    0
    Somehow they hastily ... Better - without storming - somewhere around 3030.
    This, I understand, is thoughtful design.
  20. Sergei75
    Sergei75 31 October 2017 22: 11
    0
    and how old was the navy?
    Why sailing, you need galleys!
    They will also be taught to sail under the sloops, but normal high-class modern equipment must be learned right away, and not cats trained.
    1. And why do you need
      And why do you need 1 November 2017 02: 20
      0
      Stealth technology or liberals sold all oil :)